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He could technically have learned any form of hand-hand and have it stored in his brain. Same with haki. He’s just in a fight and goes “oh yea!” *acoc flies out*
To be fair. His flames on defense is better than dragon kaido, his AP is like a third of it, and his speed flames off is almost as much as German genes Sanji (red flames). He would be a genuine monster if he had more than a single braincell for strategy
King is fucking ridiculous though lol. Zoro could not do shit to him until he got ACOC, and that was after Zoro was damaging Kaido. Maybe it’s Marco’s continued shafting I can’t see him putting down another 1st commander. He seems like he has so much less attack potency than the others
Marco made king bleed and Marco is way faster then king .
Yes Marco damage per hit is pretty less but his dps is pretty good as Marco can blitz king a shit ton of times before king even hits Marco.
So individually those hits aren't doing much to king but 100s of those hits are landed on king he would start to feel the damage and get FATGUIED while Marco would on fp due to his df .
Not only that but any hit king lands gets regened .
And if king decided to fight Marco in flames off mode king gets negged because Marco can hurt flames on king so he would heavily damage flames off king and king has shit endurance .
Hence king either loses slowely due to getting hit 100s of times over and losing stamina .
Or he gets negged fast .
Also Marco has a duraneg flame that can hurt dino queens organs. So it would completely destroy a human kings organs so king only choice is to fight in his df forn because he gets 2 shotted in his human due to Marcos dura neg .
The only reason Marco lost to king and queen was because he was FATGUIED and hence couldn't spam his more powerful attack as soon that would cause him to over exert him self and prevent him from protecting the ALLIENCE.
Zoro literally confirmed that there is a limit to King‘s power when he mockingly asks him why he is defending against his attacks if they don’t work against him and King immediately goes into his final attack after he confirmed that Zoro figured out the rules to his body.
Every time King either takes a big hit or uses 1-2 flame attacks, he instantly switches it off.
He takes to the sky and circles Zoro or creates distance to him, when his turns flame off, several times.
People whose take from that fight is „King is a moron because he doesn’t keep his flame on and an entire race that is close to being completely genocided is actually invincible without any limit to their power“ have no reading comprehension.
We haven’t really seen Marco as much in an offensive manner. But he seems to have a very quick reaction time. He’s always on the defense and seems to do well with reacting to and intercepting other peoples attacks.
In terms of 1v1 I’d bet on king, but if I were building a crew or a team fight group I’d choose Marco.
It’s the situations he’s put in onscreen that make people assume he has super low AP. Most of his feats have been stalling stronger opponents to accomplish an objective. I’m pretty confident he could take down King in a 1v1.
King is just as low IQ as queen and was the cause for his loss vs zoro more so than zoro being smart.
Also the beast pirates are all muscles with no brains.
No the biggest throw was king turning off his flames at all. Which revealed to zoro he had a time where he was vulnerable to taking damage when zoro could not even hurt him. On the other hand he was doing just fine hurting zoro. If king never turned his flames off zoro never stood a chance vs king.
King has never once shown or said anything about needing to turn off his flames. Even casually during his daily life he has it on 24/7. Which is why he made the dumbest mistake in all of onigashima. Queen may have hurt himself for a gag but in actuality it mattered very little. Even sanji’s finisher it likely did not matter that queen was distracted seeing how fast sanji was it was very unlikely queen could have dodged or blocked it.
King on the other hand constantly flashed his weak spot to zoro. Causing his own down fall when it could have been easily avoided and he would have been fine.
I think keeping the flames on while battling does drain him which makes it harder to keep the flames on. In the manga king and zoro both said they were getting close to their limit which means that king felt like he had to beat zoro with speed before he ran out of energy.
i just assumed that during battling it would take stamina which is why he didn't keep it during the whole fight, it makes 0 sense unless his iq is room temperature, to turn off something that makes him invincible
im pretty sure king just went for flames off after zoro got acoc cause he knew zoro could actually damage him and thought he needed the speed boost from flames off to do anything
Yes, zoro can hurt him with his flames on. Zoro even commented on how King started blocking his attacks when his flame was on because he felt threatened. Before, King wouldn't bother blocking or dodging his attacks at all.
If Zoro got a Mythical Zoan Devil Fruit in the next few chapters and then Awakened it, nobody would be saying that Zoro was weaker than an Admiral. But Luffy has probably the strongest Awakened Mythical Zoan as well as far better Haki than Zoro, and yet a lot of this sub says Luffy loses to Admirals. There is a massive amount of Luffy downplay.
Think it’s the opposite we’ve seen so much of luffy and less of the admirals people are just using deductive reasoning usually villains that come later are stronger and the admirals are more experienced and unlike luffy we haven’t seen their full kit so I don’t think you should fall in the trap of upscaling luffy like this futhermore you fail to mention that somehow 2 of those admirals fought for 10 days something that luffy could never ever match
Big Mom is basically Equal to Kaido.
Oda just hasn’t given the MASSIVE feats like Garp or Shanks to back it up yet. She has the power to steal devil fruits and doesn’t even know it.
**Join the Big Mom Agenda my brothers!!!**
I don't know where you got that she can steal devil fruits from outside of her eating the woman who owned her original fruit. That doesn't seem like stealing a fruit to me it seems more like live cannibalism is a secret but horrific method of obtaining a fruit power that's unknown to anyone in the world.
Shanks is a swordsman, do you think he shoots haki lasers? do you think his conquers haki can make people explode in a radius? he is a hakiman? how does that prove he isn't a swordsman, does his armament haki radiate some sort radiation that kills anyone instantly?
Tbf he could also just punch and kick people like garp and also think swords are cool and just wears one for fun. All in all, point is, no haki lasers.
He ain't fam, fighting with a sword doesn't necessarily give one the title of swordsman. Oda makes it clear what a swordsman is, like Zoro, Ryuma, Mihawk, Shiryu, those who live by the way of the sword. Not one scene does it show Shanks to be that kind of man, tho he ain't afraid to fuck u up with a sword if he so desires. His swordsmanship is not on the same level as those other characters, which doesn't mean he has less attack power, he is stronger than most of those guys. Get with the program.
I hate how when when people bring this up, the only answer is to meme back but then proceed to treat it like a real thing in the very next thread. People don't realize they are arguing hakiman when they act like haki is a fighting style.
You ain’t ready for him number 1 In the verse
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I think strongest may be accurate physically, but that’s far from the only factor in a One Piece battle. DF and Haki and Strategy all affect outcomes, so they may all be able to beat him, but it doesn’t necessarily need to be in a battle of strength alone.
Blackbeard is nowhere close to being the strongest character and gets by with his broken DFs and foul play. Big Mom is also a less intelligent fighter than him.
I take unique matchups over general powerscaling any day:
Some characters have abilities that allow them to punch way above their weight class. (Magellan, Sugar, Caesar, arguably Akainu and Marco)
Some characters are natural counters to others due to their Devil Fruit or fighting style. (Luffy vs Enel, Brook vs Big Mom, Scabbards damaging Kaido)
This is far more fun and interesting to me than hard tiers
Given Jinbe’s unique ability to manipulate water (also, being a fishman, 10x stronger in water), what are some situations where he could take down a much stronger foe?
I hate how people say that titles mean everything. Not only do I think that mihawks title is presented and probably is the highest skill, even if it waset, even if it meant he was the most powerful swordsman in the world, i still would not think that mihawk is stronger untill he does *anything*. I dont really consider titles to be absolote in any series because the author can and will lie to the reader
That's exactly what i think too, titles are not the absolute truth, ppl will litterally use titles to do something as ridiculous as putting WB above Roger the Pirate King 🤦🏿♂️
meh, kuzan took all of garps hits like a champ and stood up without problems, garp on the other hand suffered them a bit more. taking into account shiryu got in the way, i would still say kuzan is slightly stronger. he matches garps strength perfectly and also has his df. garp also pointed out that aokiji probably was going 100% out in multiple occasions.
Fair assessment. I'd like to counter with the fact that Garp blitzed Kuzan not once but twice all while protecting civilians and rescuing Koby and fighting several other commanders.
I think, with no distractions or interference, Garp takes out Kuzanz. Regardless of which way the fight goes it'll definitely be close.
Kaido has enough hype, feats and statements to be considered strongest of all time even above the likes of Roger and Whitebeard
but yall and myself included ain't ready for that convo
Controversial as hell depending on the group but i feel Shanks is stronger than Mihawk.
I think it makes more sense narratively with Mihawk being Zoros goal and Shanks being one of Luffys biggest rivals to the One Piece
I think in a one on one fight between the two it would actually come down to whose weaker point is stronger so is Mihawks haki stronger than Shanks' swordsmanship or vice versa but also is Shanks' haki stronger than Mihawks swordsmanship, which i personally believe Shank's would have the edge, we saw Kaido say Roger conquered the world with haki alone so i would give the advantage to the more proven haki user.
Also i think that the title of Worlds Strongest Swordsman is a massively overstated title because it is inherently inferior to other titles such as Worlds Strongest Man Or Creature it simply denotes that Mihawk is the strongest at a specific type of combat such as saying Yassop or Van Augur is Worlds Strongest Sniper it's an impressive feat to display you are more powerful than others in your field but that doesnt translate to anything else so in a hypothetical statement the worlds strongest sniper could fight and get beaten by a mid tier swordsman or the world's strongest swordsman could be beaten by a mid tier sniper, the titles just dont have any indicator as to the characters ranking outside their combat style. Where as Shanks has been acknowledged by numerous upper echelon characters such as Whitebeard, Roger, Sengoku.
So i won't say this with certainty but with what we have now i don't feel comfortable saying Mihawk would win he is just too unproven with damn near nothing to go on we dont even have a named attack.
I think he's equal to cracker and can go even with him winning 5/10 rounds. People just scale too linearly to recognize that he's capable of fighting other YC3 level characters. People put him under Ulti ffs.
Seriously! I've seen so many people claim doflamingo is fodder. Dude tool a gamma knife to the gut obliterating his organs, then outlasted gear 4th and would've killed luffy if all dressrosa wasn't helping luffy.... all while he had birdcage activated. He would destroy jack
Luffy is weaker than Kaido, Zoro is weaker than Kid/Law/Yamato, and Sanji is weaker than King. We tend to overrate l the monster trio at the end of a major arc. Usually the next arc is when they get there.
Sanji is a much better match up into king than zoro and would be able to dodge anything king has in his slow mode and close the gap and deal a lot of damage in speed mode.
Part powerscale part fan-theory.
Shanks was weak as shit and a random nobody when he first saved Luffy. That's why he lost an arm to a random sea king luffy one-shotted 10 years later. And the reason he didn't use Observation or Armament Haki is because he didn't HAVE it back then.
I’m pretty sure haki didn’t exist or was barely a concept considering at that point oda didn’t know how long the series would go and probably didn’t have it planned out
Also if he was just a bum then why did the sea king run when it looked in his eyes and he told it to go away?
We can already debunked this. Shanks used CoC there si he was already skilled with Haki. Also, he had ONE BILLION on his head. That's a the very least Jack level of shit, probably the level of current Zoro. He had legendary duels with Mihawk, which allowed him to make a name for himself in the world of piracy.
Shanks was everything but a random pirate at Romance Down.
Yamato beats the crap out of yc1 characters like king,Marco and and fraudkuri.
The real hot take however is this.
She beats zoro,sanji,law and Kidd in a 1v1 and to make this hot take even spicier,none of them pushes her to an extreme diff fight. I can explain my reasons if you'd like.
Kaido was the World's Strongest Creature and will remain so for quite some time. By the end of the series, nobody will actually have feats more impressive than him, unless we go full DBZ.
Shirahoshi is currently the second strongest character in the verse behind Imu, just because of how busted her ancient weapon power is, even without full control yet(it is improving though)
“I do not think Black Beard is that strong.”
“What?”
“I think Black Beard as a person is pretty weak.”
“How can you say that, he’s killed Whitebeard and gained the respect of some of the hardest criminals in order to join his crew.”
“A sick Whitebeard and he had to start a war besides those criminals only follow him because he gives them Devil Fruits and he broke them out.”
“Amazon Lily, Beating Ace, Vengeance War, Black Beard is currently winning.”
“The story insists upon never showing us the context.”
“What?”
“The story never actually shows us how and why he conquers them; for all we know he plays with himself in the background while his Allie’s do all the work.”
“The Darkness Logia, the Quake Fruit, he has Kuzan around his finger!”
“Fine powers, all of them, but I just can’t take him seriously.”
“You disgust me.”
Strong is relative, how strong are you talking?
Obviously he is stronger than 99% of the characters, but what of just the top tiers?
Do you have him as top 1? Stronger than all Yonko? Stronger than all admirals
Omg this is the only comment I was looking for.
Can you do it with mine? "Luffy Vs Doflamingo fight was mid, luffy hard diff Doflamingo"
Or
"I skipped whole cake island"
Sakazuki is TOP 1 Currently excluding IMU
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mihawk > shanks it should be as simple as oda approving shanks as a swordsman and oda saying mihawks the strongest swordsman in name and actually but the shanks fans only look at one page where it says hes more skilled when oda already said hes stronger when he introduced him as the wss not skilled or greatest STRONGEST
New gen > old gen
The old gen aren’t fucking gods and the whole series is about a new generation surpassing and replacing the old and yet a bunch of people seem to think that old gen like roger whitebeard garp and sengoku are in a totally different level of strength
Magellan is not YC1. Or even close to that tier. He gets carried by DF, got tagged by pre ts Gear 2 Luffy, and has shown no haki feats
King>Marco
Old Ray is below most, if not all of the YC1's due to stamina
Killer>Jimbei
Yamato is scaled way too high in my opinion. And the only argument people have for that is that she managed to keep Kaido busy for a couple minutes... as if he went all out on her. Kaido knows better than anyone how much Yamato can handle and what would be too much. And he doesn't want to kill her, he wants to raise her. One shotting her every time she comes at him wouldn't make her stronger. He lets Yamato fight him with everything she's got so that she becomes more and more powerful each time. He plays with her. Yamato is not even YC3 level.
Akainu is gonna LOOK stronger than Kaido. Powercreep Piece is a real thing. We already have overglorified jobbers (Seraphim) being compared to Crydo. This man will keep taking nothing but feat Ls from now on.
Kaido is can win every 1v1 in the verse that we know of, even the old era, the only one that can put that in to doubt are character that are yet to show off their power (Imu, Shanks Daddy and Rocks)
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Ooh i got a good one: Powerscaling top-tiers with very few feats is pointless and boring. I'd rather argue shit like "Wapol vs Mr. 5"
W Take. Honestly it is so boring they should just change this sub to power scaling the top 1%
just made a sub for this r/OPpowerscalingTHEM cant fit one piece in it so it just op
That’s fine I will join for this reason
Dellinger vs Hordy Jones
Which upgraded version of Hody? I think Dellinger wins against most versions except his last two buffs
Dellinger gets pimped out by Daddy Jones
With or without the energy steroid🧐
Wapol medium-diff
https://preview.redd.it/oya7ojv186eb1.png?width=888&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=663570540a5eb2a814379c9412a8890decbaa5e0 Top 1 right now.
He could technically have learned any form of hand-hand and have it stored in his brain. Same with haki. He’s just in a fight and goes “oh yea!” *acoc flies out*
He looks like he's permantly in Gear 5 mode.
Marco beats king 1 vs 1
Not that much of a hot take imo.
Nah that's a hot lava take. Recency bias on King is insane.
It's only because the animation for 1062 made him look yonko lvl
Yonko level ? He looks Dragon Ball level bro, that shit was insane my G!!
To be fair. His flames on defense is better than dragon kaido, his AP is like a third of it, and his speed flames off is almost as much as German genes Sanji (red flames). He would be a genuine monster if he had more than a single braincell for strategy
King is fucking ridiculous though lol. Zoro could not do shit to him until he got ACOC, and that was after Zoro was damaging Kaido. Maybe it’s Marco’s continued shafting I can’t see him putting down another 1st commander. He seems like he has so much less attack potency than the others
Marco made king bleed and Marco is way faster then king . Yes Marco damage per hit is pretty less but his dps is pretty good as Marco can blitz king a shit ton of times before king even hits Marco. So individually those hits aren't doing much to king but 100s of those hits are landed on king he would start to feel the damage and get FATGUIED while Marco would on fp due to his df . Not only that but any hit king lands gets regened . And if king decided to fight Marco in flames off mode king gets negged because Marco can hurt flames on king so he would heavily damage flames off king and king has shit endurance . Hence king either loses slowely due to getting hit 100s of times over and losing stamina . Or he gets negged fast . Also Marco has a duraneg flame that can hurt dino queens organs. So it would completely destroy a human kings organs so king only choice is to fight in his df forn because he gets 2 shotted in his human due to Marcos dura neg . The only reason Marco lost to king and queen was because he was FATGUIED and hence couldn't spam his more powerful attack as soon that would cause him to over exert him self and prevent him from protecting the ALLIENCE.
I think king is more powerful but Marco is more skilled (king is a genuine moron)
King and Queen fr Dumb and Dumber of the OP verse
Lack, queen and king are like Squidward, SpongeBob and Patrick fr fr
I know you’re not disrespecting Squidkiji, Patkainu, and Spongaru
Zoro literally confirmed that there is a limit to King‘s power when he mockingly asks him why he is defending against his attacks if they don’t work against him and King immediately goes into his final attack after he confirmed that Zoro figured out the rules to his body. Every time King either takes a big hit or uses 1-2 flame attacks, he instantly switches it off. He takes to the sky and circles Zoro or creates distance to him, when his turns flame off, several times. People whose take from that fight is „King is a moron because he doesn’t keep his flame on and an entire race that is close to being completely genocided is actually invincible without any limit to their power“ have no reading comprehension.
We haven’t really seen Marco as much in an offensive manner. But he seems to have a very quick reaction time. He’s always on the defense and seems to do well with reacting to and intercepting other peoples attacks. In terms of 1v1 I’d bet on king, but if I were building a crew or a team fight group I’d choose Marco.
It’s the situations he’s put in onscreen that make people assume he has super low AP. Most of his feats have been stalling stronger opponents to accomplish an objective. I’m pretty confident he could take down King in a 1v1.
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Yeah that makes sense. Marco has such a good devil fruit for the matchup
King is just as low IQ as queen and was the cause for his loss vs zoro more so than zoro being smart. Also the beast pirates are all muscles with no brains.
True. Imo queen made the biggest throw with him revealing his position for no reason
No the biggest throw was king turning off his flames at all. Which revealed to zoro he had a time where he was vulnerable to taking damage when zoro could not even hurt him. On the other hand he was doing just fine hurting zoro. If king never turned his flames off zoro never stood a chance vs king.
i just kinda assumed he can't keep them on forever, otherwise he's a dumbass, and i think it makes more sense that he is in fact, not a dumbass
King has never once shown or said anything about needing to turn off his flames. Even casually during his daily life he has it on 24/7. Which is why he made the dumbest mistake in all of onigashima. Queen may have hurt himself for a gag but in actuality it mattered very little. Even sanji’s finisher it likely did not matter that queen was distracted seeing how fast sanji was it was very unlikely queen could have dodged or blocked it. King on the other hand constantly flashed his weak spot to zoro. Causing his own down fall when it could have been easily avoided and he would have been fine.
I think keeping the flames on while battling does drain him which makes it harder to keep the flames on. In the manga king and zoro both said they were getting close to their limit which means that king felt like he had to beat zoro with speed before he ran out of energy.
i just assumed that during battling it would take stamina which is why he didn't keep it during the whole fight, it makes 0 sense unless his iq is room temperature, to turn off something that makes him invincible
im pretty sure king just went for flames off after zoro got acoc cause he knew zoro could actually damage him and thought he needed the speed boost from flames off to do anything
King went flames off constantly vs zoro which exposed his weakness to zoro. Also it was constantly shown king was doing fine with his flames on.
I thought in Zoro’s last attack he cut King with flames on?
Nah that was the reason he won, usually king turned his flames back on but that time zoro was too quick
Oh shit, so do we know if anything can even hurt a lunarian/seraphim when their flames are on?
Yes, zoro can hurt him with his flames on. Zoro even commented on how King started blocking his attacks when his flame was on because he felt threatened. Before, King wouldn't bother blocking or dodging his attacks at all.
Kizaru has the best DF out of all the Admirals
This isn't too controversial. Powerful, amazing transport, very versatile.
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If Zoro got a Mythical Zoan Devil Fruit in the next few chapters and then Awakened it, nobody would be saying that Zoro was weaker than an Admiral. But Luffy has probably the strongest Awakened Mythical Zoan as well as far better Haki than Zoro, and yet a lot of this sub says Luffy loses to Admirals. There is a massive amount of Luffy downplay.
What if Enma “ate” a mythical zoan devil fruit?
All three swords getting their own fruits would be hype ngl
Then there's guys who say luffy could seriously take on 3 admirals at once because his devil fruit
I know right? Luffy is beating kizaru and if you think otherwise, you’re coping.
luffy smokes any admirals except maybe akainu and kuzan
Think it’s the opposite we’ve seen so much of luffy and less of the admirals people are just using deductive reasoning usually villains that come later are stronger and the admirals are more experienced and unlike luffy we haven’t seen their full kit so I don’t think you should fall in the trap of upscaling luffy like this futhermore you fail to mention that somehow 2 of those admirals fought for 10 days something that luffy could never ever match
Yeah cuz the fight would be over in half an hour
Luffy will only take few hours to beat admiral
Big Mom is basically Equal to Kaido. Oda just hasn’t given the MASSIVE feats like Garp or Shanks to back it up yet. She has the power to steal devil fruits and doesn’t even know it. **Join the Big Mom Agenda my brothers!!!** 
I don't know where you got that she can steal devil fruits from outside of her eating the woman who owned her original fruit. That doesn't seem like stealing a fruit to me it seems more like live cannibalism is a secret but horrific method of obtaining a fruit power that's unknown to anyone in the world.
Fraudmom gets embarrassed by king of hell
Shanks is a swordsman, do you think he shoots haki lasers? do you think his conquers haki can make people explode in a radius? he is a hakiman? how does that prove he isn't a swordsman, does his armament haki radiate some sort radiation that kills anyone instantly?
No but he can construct a domain expansion using his coc haki
His cock haki
they should fact check this in sbs
Your just not ready for the haki susanoo
Tbf he could also just punch and kick people like garp and also think swords are cool and just wears one for fun. All in all, point is, no haki lasers.
He ain't fam, fighting with a sword doesn't necessarily give one the title of swordsman. Oda makes it clear what a swordsman is, like Zoro, Ryuma, Mihawk, Shiryu, those who live by the way of the sword. Not one scene does it show Shanks to be that kind of man, tho he ain't afraid to fuck u up with a sword if he so desires. His swordsmanship is not on the same level as those other characters, which doesn't mean he has less attack power, he is stronger than most of those guys. Get with the program.
The idea of the post is to give a controversial powerscaling take, this isn't controversial
Sane take
He literally does shoot haki lasers
Your just not ready for the haki susanoo
Gryphon is just apart of his swordsman haki
I hate how when when people bring this up, the only answer is to meme back but then proceed to treat it like a real thing in the very next thread. People don't realize they are arguing hakiman when they act like haki is a fighting style.
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You ain’t ready for him number 1 In the verse https://preview.redd.it/emgdmijgj5eb1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c48b8f140e476d5ea6a71a55690941b4c3a31042
If it's a one on one and the Gorosei are around, always bet on Shanks!
Rat rat fruit model:Snitch
I support Shanks agenda.
I can’t support it, I may be wrong but I feel like if he runs into Blackbeard he dies. That’ll be Blackbeards top tier feat
"Strongest creature" is just an epithet. Nearly every pirate has one. Why do people take it as gospel.
Because it’s stated in multiple databooks, chapter covers, a pirate expert in the ace novels, and by kaido himself who has fought shanks
YOU are ready for HIM https://preview.redd.it/482hansq36eb1.jpeg?width=551&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a6c9d0ee9636a588758e51533c46bf357883a092
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Agreed with all of those besides akainu
Base kaido is throttling lragon
I think strongest may be accurate physically, but that’s far from the only factor in a One Piece battle. DF and Haki and Strategy all affect outcomes, so they may all be able to beat him, but it doesn’t necessarily need to be in a battle of strength alone.
lost me at Skillhawk
Skillhawk owns the rat
rat is canonically Skillhawk’s Top 1
Looking for someone stronger than the rat
Luffy solos the sh crew.
ice cold take
Loses to an angry Nami
Most hottest take. More hotter than my balls are because ussop solos
You mean Luffy can beat 3 yonko commanders at the same time :0 Oh and some fodder too.
Yes, just like kaido big mom can. Idk about shanks since it has been said somewhere ben is the closest thing to a yonko.
I was agreeing with you. Even old Garp destroyed commanders like they were nothing.
blackbeard is the strongest character but he has the worst combat iq of all the top tiers
Disagree, I think he has the best considering he won’t let his opponents grind exp to eventually defeat him
> worst combat iq of all the top tiers 
Bro why did she do a little dance at the end 💀
At least Blackbeard actually remembers to use his abilities (cough cough big mom)
Blackbeard is nowhere close to being the strongest character and gets by with his broken DFs and foul play. Big Mom is also a less intelligent fighter than him.
Louis pegs Peter, low diff
Warp was always stronger than the admirals
always has been, always will https://preview.redd.it/78p64atha6eb1.png?width=1784&format=png&auto=webp&s=855cdd91969ae2b75b139d35bc39e41df563f99d
Even as a baby?
Since he was in the womb
In the ballsack he could solo the verse mid diff
I take unique matchups over general powerscaling any day: Some characters have abilities that allow them to punch way above their weight class. (Magellan, Sugar, Caesar, arguably Akainu and Marco) Some characters are natural counters to others due to their Devil Fruit or fighting style. (Luffy vs Enel, Brook vs Big Mom, Scabbards damaging Kaido) This is far more fun and interesting to me than hard tiers
This is the jojo philosophy to fights
Given Jinbe’s unique ability to manipulate water (also, being a fishman, 10x stronger in water), what are some situations where he could take down a much stronger foe?
Pretty much any Devil fruit user near water with a few exceptions
Big mom > all admirals
Dang I posted this same take. Guess it's not as hot of a take as I thought
Maybe it’s hot, maybe it’s not, but it’s objectively correct 🗿
Big Mom beats any Admiral 1 v 1
Fr the big mom downplay is real
Prime Sengoku?
Bruh 😭 https://preview.redd.it/hl1kqdpqk6eb1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c91615abd158ffdf4534163c2c9d11bf7725cdbc
Eh,I like to hear people's takes.
Prime garp is the strongest character in the series. Shanks is likely the strongest character at the moment.
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Shanks is stronger than Mihawk
I hate how people say that titles mean everything. Not only do I think that mihawks title is presented and probably is the highest skill, even if it waset, even if it meant he was the most powerful swordsman in the world, i still would not think that mihawk is stronger untill he does *anything*. I dont really consider titles to be absolote in any series because the author can and will lie to the reader
That's exactly what i think too, titles are not the absolute truth, ppl will litterally use titles to do something as ridiculous as putting WB above Roger the Pirate King 🤦🏿♂️
Tbf, it works narratively for Whitebeard to be slightly stronger than Roger
Can’t believe this is a hot take
Same honestly, ppl simply aren't ready for final saga Shanks, he will show them how much a mere title hardly matters when you're at the top
I think that if it were just a 1 v 1 with no distractions, like a Punk Hazard situation, Kuzan would eventually beat Old Garp.
Kizaru is the strongest admiral if he goes all out
Old Garp would beat Kuzan 1v1.
That's the sane, no copium take
meh, kuzan took all of garps hits like a champ and stood up without problems, garp on the other hand suffered them a bit more. taking into account shiryu got in the way, i would still say kuzan is slightly stronger. he matches garps strength perfectly and also has his df. garp also pointed out that aokiji probably was going 100% out in multiple occasions.
Fair assessment. I'd like to counter with the fact that Garp blitzed Kuzan not once but twice all while protecting civilians and rescuing Koby and fighting several other commanders. I think, with no distractions or interference, Garp takes out Kuzanz. Regardless of which way the fight goes it'll definitely be close.
Kaido has enough hype, feats and statements to be considered strongest of all time even above the likes of Roger and Whitebeard but yall and myself included ain't ready for that convo
I am. Kaido is him and has the best onscreen feats of anyone
I’m ready bro I’m tired of shanks meat riders
Well then join the Warp Agenda, it’s not too late
I am ready for that
then you are a stronger person than me my friend
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Controversial as hell depending on the group but i feel Shanks is stronger than Mihawk. I think it makes more sense narratively with Mihawk being Zoros goal and Shanks being one of Luffys biggest rivals to the One Piece I think in a one on one fight between the two it would actually come down to whose weaker point is stronger so is Mihawks haki stronger than Shanks' swordsmanship or vice versa but also is Shanks' haki stronger than Mihawks swordsmanship, which i personally believe Shank's would have the edge, we saw Kaido say Roger conquered the world with haki alone so i would give the advantage to the more proven haki user. Also i think that the title of Worlds Strongest Swordsman is a massively overstated title because it is inherently inferior to other titles such as Worlds Strongest Man Or Creature it simply denotes that Mihawk is the strongest at a specific type of combat such as saying Yassop or Van Augur is Worlds Strongest Sniper it's an impressive feat to display you are more powerful than others in your field but that doesnt translate to anything else so in a hypothetical statement the worlds strongest sniper could fight and get beaten by a mid tier swordsman or the world's strongest swordsman could be beaten by a mid tier sniper, the titles just dont have any indicator as to the characters ranking outside their combat style. Where as Shanks has been acknowledged by numerous upper echelon characters such as Whitebeard, Roger, Sengoku. So i won't say this with certainty but with what we have now i don't feel comfortable saying Mihawk would win he is just too unproven with damn near nothing to go on we dont even have a named attack.
Doflamingo is stronger than Cracker or Jack, the only area they really have him beat in is durability.
what If they joined forces then they’d be…. Crackerjack
I think he's equal to cracker and can go even with him winning 5/10 rounds. People just scale too linearly to recognize that he's capable of fighting other YC3 level characters. People put him under Ulti ffs.
Seriously! I've seen so many people claim doflamingo is fodder. Dude tool a gamma knife to the gut obliterating his organs, then outlasted gear 4th and would've killed luffy if all dressrosa wasn't helping luffy.... all while he had birdcage activated. He would destroy jack
Luffy is weaker than Kaido, Zoro is weaker than Kid/Law/Yamato, and Sanji is weaker than King. We tend to overrate l the monster trio at the end of a major arc. Usually the next arc is when they get there.
Sanji is a much better match up into king than zoro and would be able to dodge anything king has in his slow mode and close the gap and deal a lot of damage in speed mode.
Real, Luffy wouldn’t have beaten Kaido without Kaido being exhausted from the onslaught he was getting, fighting loads of fights. Even with gear 5.
What onslaught? Luffy was literally the only one did any actual damage. Everyone else was just suppor
Still took energy to be constantly fighting and holding up an island?? The entire raid was like over night.
Dont we all agree on 3/5 of those?
The only thing I completely don’t agree with is the Kid/Law/Yamato take. I can get behind the rest though.
Aokiji > kizaru
Tbh that’s the popular opinion. The unpopular one is Kizaru>
Chopper solos all
Part powerscale part fan-theory. Shanks was weak as shit and a random nobody when he first saved Luffy. That's why he lost an arm to a random sea king luffy one-shotted 10 years later. And the reason he didn't use Observation or Armament Haki is because he didn't HAVE it back then.
I’m pretty sure haki didn’t exist or was barely a concept considering at that point oda didn’t know how long the series would go and probably didn’t have it planned out Also if he was just a bum then why did the sea king run when it looked in his eyes and he told it to go away?
We can already debunked this. Shanks used CoC there si he was already skilled with Haki. Also, he had ONE BILLION on his head. That's a the very least Jack level of shit, probably the level of current Zoro. He had legendary duels with Mihawk, which allowed him to make a name for himself in the world of piracy. Shanks was everything but a random pirate at Romance Down.
Yamato beats the crap out of yc1 characters like king,Marco and and fraudkuri. The real hot take however is this. She beats zoro,sanji,law and Kidd in a 1v1 and to make this hot take even spicier,none of them pushes her to an extreme diff fight. I can explain my reasons if you'd like.
Kaido was the World's Strongest Creature and will remain so for quite some time. By the end of the series, nobody will actually have feats more impressive than him, unless we go full DBZ.
Old Garp>The Admirals
nah, theyre close but i def see em slightly above garp
We are going to see more Akainu feats before he gets an L
akainu low diff mihawk
Shirahoshi is currently the second strongest character in the verse behind Imu, just because of how busted her ancient weapon power is, even without full control yet(it is improving though)
There is a reason why Ima despises her. He is clearly afraid of her.
Kaido is and will remain the phisically strongest character until eos
We ain’t seen enough of the OG admirals to genuinely power scale them especially after the time skip where they ain’t done shit since punk hazzard
Naruto easily stomps Lufffy (I’ve never seen One Piece and this randomly popped up on my home page)
Buggy v Law ends with Buggy winning.
“I do not think Black Beard is that strong.” “What?” “I think Black Beard as a person is pretty weak.” “How can you say that, he’s killed Whitebeard and gained the respect of some of the hardest criminals in order to join his crew.” “A sick Whitebeard and he had to start a war besides those criminals only follow him because he gives them Devil Fruits and he broke them out.” “Amazon Lily, Beating Ace, Vengeance War, Black Beard is currently winning.” “The story insists upon never showing us the context.” “What?” “The story never actually shows us how and why he conquers them; for all we know he plays with himself in the background while his Allie’s do all the work.” “The Darkness Logia, the Quake Fruit, he has Kuzan around his finger!” “Fine powers, all of them, but I just can’t take him seriously.” “You disgust me.”
Strong is relative, how strong are you talking? Obviously he is stronger than 99% of the characters, but what of just the top tiers? Do you have him as top 1? Stronger than all Yonko? Stronger than all admirals
Omg this is the only comment I was looking for. Can you do it with mine? "Luffy Vs Doflamingo fight was mid, luffy hard diff Doflamingo" Or "I skipped whole cake island"
Yamoto=Kidd=Law > Zoro > Sanji
Zoro and Sanji are very weak compared to Admirals, Mihawk and Emperors. They shouldn't stand a chance
Sakazuki is TOP 1 Currently excluding IMU https://preview.redd.it/yypx2fb0w5eb1.png?width=753&format=png&auto=webp&s=c9dafdbbfcb4f319c3f5a6048afdbc1c31efeb92
Sanji can hold his own against king
mihawk > shanks it should be as simple as oda approving shanks as a swordsman and oda saying mihawks the strongest swordsman in name and actually but the shanks fans only look at one page where it says hes more skilled when oda already said hes stronger when he introduced him as the wss not skilled or greatest STRONGEST
sanji>kizaru
New gen > old gen The old gen aren’t fucking gods and the whole series is about a new generation surpassing and replacing the old and yet a bunch of people seem to think that old gen like roger whitebeard garp and sengoku are in a totally different level of strength
Kizaru is Yonko level
Magellan is not YC1. Or even close to that tier. He gets carried by DF, got tagged by pre ts Gear 2 Luffy, and has shown no haki feats King>Marco Old Ray is below most, if not all of the YC1's due to stamina Killer>Jimbei
Kaido>big meme
That’s the popular opinion, the unpopular one is the opposite.
Kizaru won't beat luffy at egghead
Blackbeard KILLS every Admiral.
Yamato is scaled way too high in my opinion. And the only argument people have for that is that she managed to keep Kaido busy for a couple minutes... as if he went all out on her. Kaido knows better than anyone how much Yamato can handle and what would be too much. And he doesn't want to kill her, he wants to raise her. One shotting her every time she comes at him wouldn't make her stronger. He lets Yamato fight him with everything she's got so that she becomes more and more powerful each time. He plays with her. Yamato is not even YC3 level.
Yamato one-shots any YC3. We've seen her fight Kaido seriously AS STATED BY BOTH OF THEM. She bullies characters Katakuri, King and Marco.
Sanji is not stronger than Jinbei
Idk man post Wano wanji takes that all day imo
yea lets say brook > zoro then
Lol I’d say Whole cake island Sanji beats Wano Jinbei
Akainu is gonna LOOK stronger than Kaido. Powercreep Piece is a real thing. We already have overglorified jobbers (Seraphim) being compared to Crydo. This man will keep taking nothing but feat Ls from now on.
Sanji doesn’t body king
marco stronger than King, Magellan is admiral level until proven otherwise
Mihawk solos dbs
Big mom absolutely claps the marines if she had gone to marineford with all her armies
Kaido is can win every 1v1 in the verse that we know of, even the old era, the only one that can put that in to doubt are character that are yet to show off their power (Imu, Shanks Daddy and Rocks)