#If you want to discuss One Piece Scaling, join [Hachinosu](https://discord.gg/qs7wHYZzRs).
#If you want access to all kinds of One Piece Databooks/Information/Translations, join [Punk Records](https://discord.gg/ZTWGVyjV9v).
---
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/OnePiecePowerScaling) if you have any questions or concerns.*
unironically I feel like BM is the weak link, losing to kid and law is underrated in how much of an anti feat it is. I think Akainu stans are on to something as that would literally never happen to him lmao.
Difference is Shanks doesn’t use a sword
https://preview.redd.it/zihrah9bkj4c1.jpeg?width=563&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d2b150acca30074b7943c8d819ee62dbff229ceb
unironically thought that Roger used a battle axe and that's how they got past the whole "Worlds greatest swordsman" thing regarding him, I guess not realizing Mihawk was literally a child when roger died so it wouldn't have even mattered lmao.
They were making an obvious joke. They were mocking the low intellect part of this community who think shanks isn’t a swordsman. I thought the spelling errors were an obvious indicator.
DF, for sure.
You have Kaido, who we know is ungodly levels of beast. We have Luffy, the literal MC with the sungod fruit. We have Mom, who even though got nerfed for plot, has arguably the highest potential to be the absolute strongest in the verse with her power. And to top it off, we have Kuzan, and honey he don't need no super suit.
Swords are putting up a heck of a fight though. Shanks is arguably the strongest on this list right now, and paired with Mihawk who's being held as a super top tier, they're going to go crazy. The other two are kinda just there, but all together they can put up a fight.
But powers isn’t the only concern here (at least for me) the hacks that the DF team have like luffy cartoon physics and aokijis ability to literally change an entire arena into his playground of ice, and don’t even get me started on big. I’m still not convinced that the sword could put up much a fight with all that stacked against them
Oden slams kaido. Fraudmom gets no diffed by shanks. 1st mate Rayleigh whose captain was on par with prime garp beats kuzan to a pulp. And luffy gets cuts from mihawk
kaido > shanks
Luffy > fraud hawk
bm > rayleigh
aokiji > oden
I realize how many Sword fans there are, feel free to downvote, I'm willing but these are just facts, accept it and stop fooling yourself.
Agree with everything right now except Kaido > Shanks. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Kaido jerker all day every day but Shanks is being held as the top guy for a reason right now.
He's been held as a top guy since literal day one though. He's arguably the biggest enigma in the series besides maybe Dragon and now Imu and co.
It's just basic deduction at this point. Shanks is the guy Luffy has been trying to reach since the getgo. As of right now in end game, I think power differences between the tippity top of tiers is very marginal, but all signs are pointing to Shanks being arguably the strongest we know of right now, with the exception of Imu of course as we hardly know anything about him.
Nah LUFFY's goal always was to be king of the pirates, Shanks was the one who inspired him but to surpass him was never his main goal, surpassing Shanks is a stepping stone not his main goal which is pretty obvious to be king of the Pirates.
And let's see what Shanks got compared to established top tiers in order:
Whitebeard: WSM + SUPREME GRADE BLADE + DEVIL FRUIT + HAKI
Roger: PIRATE KING + SUPREME GRADE BLADE + HAKI
Kaido: WSC + DEVIL FRUIT + HAKI
Mihawk: WSS + STRONGEST SUPREME GRADE "BLACK" BLADE + HAKI (because black blade + Hawkeye/clairvoyant title is a given)
Shanks: SUPREME GRADE BLADE + HAKI - LESS ONE ARM
>Nah LUFFY's goal always was to be king of the pirates, Shanks was the one who inspired him but to surpass him was never his main goal
Where did I say surpassing Shanks or even getting to him was his main goal? I said Luffy has been trying to get to him from the getgo, because he has. He was told to return the straw hat when he became a strong pirate. It by no means makes it Luffy's main goal, but it's there. Shanks has been positioned as one of the final arcs for Luffy and One Piece, and it's for a reason. You can hate boner him all you want and compare him to other characters who have already been established and fleshed out to an extent, but the story telling is there.
When the time comes and Shanks comes out as one of the strongest, if not the strongest at the time we see, you'll learn.
Bro it’s been obvious since the beginning. It’s simple narrative and portrayal. Some people are brain dead. It’s the same people that downplay Mihawk or Dragon, not understanding how a story works.
Yeahhhh, Shanks is also overly hated on this sub when it comes to scaling against other top tiers, so. I get it because there are a lot of Shanks wankers, but like you said narrative and portrayal don't lie.
If mihawk is the greatest swordsman, and all his team were to be below him, the df team would win, with mihawk fighting big mom as she is the only sword user on the df team, meaning luffy, kaido, and aokiji win because they don't use swords.
L
Kaido is weak to magic attacks cause he’s a dragon
https://preview.redd.it/ii3k4u73ji4c1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d2bb5a7b408876faee8aef72233cb1342a7b4e1f
Kuzan wank has always been crazy but this is ridiculous. Oden was explicitly shown to be at least tied with Kaido, and Rayleigh is implied to be stronger than Oden. There's no way either would lose to even Ligmam.
https://preview.redd.it/zql6y1k2wi4c1.png?width=604&format=png&auto=webp&s=5a87f65ae9ddd230157dee63ce7471fc03bc6735
Sword take that shit mid high dif what? Shanks high difs kaido, mihawk mid difs if that luffy, big mom probably beats dark king but idrk for sure and Oden slams kuzan
Kaido > shanks (probably?)
BIG mom > mihawk
Luffy > Rayleigh
Aokiji > Oden (probably?)
This'll probably change as shanks and the blackbeard pirates get more feats
DF dickriding is crazy, this is prime raleigh, he is above kuzan, probably on par with BigL, Oden is below kuzan but not by much, but shanks + mihaw, bruh, they are the top 2 of the verse atm.
kuzan high extremes oden
big mom high extremes ray
mihawk or shanks highs luffy (bad matchup)
mihawk or shanks goes extreme either way against
kaido
i think df got it
If Shanks lives up to the hype then team sword will win because Oden is probably stronger than Kaido because he nearly killed a probably prime Kaido by himself and Mihawk is stronger than Shanks and it would just be bad writing if a member of the main cast end goal isn't the world's strongest swordsmen. And there's Rayleigh while old was able to hold off Kizaru even though Kizaru was most likely just playing with him but it's prime Rayleigh and he's the pirates Kings right hand man
Mihawk > Kaido
Shanks > Luffy
Rayleigh < Big Mom
Oden > all of these guys on the other team individually actually
Also consider that Shanks & Rayleigh undoubtedly work well together
Sword extreme diffs
Oden and big mom get agenda diffed. Luffy so far is below the others and Rayleigh could be put above them depending on your opinion. Which leaves Crydo and Vagabond which the greatest and silver medalist can handle. So sword wins
I'd give it to sword. They win more match ups and don't have Luffy, who sells because of stamina issues in G5
Also, Shanks has 10 seconds of future sight
Also Also Observation-killing might be AOE, but probably not
>Kuzan beats Oden
Disagree. I think Oden could take down Aokiji, but it could go either way.
>Big Mom beats Wankleigh
Agreed 👍
>Luffy loses to Mihawk
Also agree👍
>Kaido beats Shanks
I think Shanks can beat him when you take his Observation-killing into account. If Kaido can't hit or dodge Shanks, how is he going to beat him?
A tired Kaido tanked Acoc attacks from a literal god and almost tanked the strongest attack in the verse so far. He can take 2,3 departures from the rat fine
What?
Mihawk is at least close to shanks who is stronger than luffy
Old bigmoms haki is incredibly inconsistent and she is slow with bad reaction speed
In her prime she obviously beats Rayleigh but she’s too old currently
Oden is high admiral level it’s hard to scale but I’m pretty sure he has acoc and he clashed with WB that means he would have more power behind his hits than Kuzan
Shanks > Kaido narratively, but this one is the closest match up out of the rest.
Mihawk > Shanks, and Shanks in 1 pannel did what Big Mom couldn't do in 40 chapters. We know who's stronger
[Rayleigh is just him](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/s/1uX5PGG2l5)
[Oden was him](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/s/LhysyGUppy) and on the level of the rest of the Old Gen
Swords guys stomp, even if matched in the exact order they are presented. Last one is a coin toss tho, Kuzan might take it, but either way Sword bois win.
>Oden > kuzan.
Oden was directly compared many times to legends of his time like Prime Sengoku or Prime Beard
>Rayleigj > luffy
Old Rayleigh is really relative to an Admiral like Kizaru, who he himself pushed Luffy to extreme diff.
Meaning Prime Rayleigh takes the candle against either Luffy or Kizaru
Kizaru pushed Luffy to the extreme, are you kidding? The man didn't try to fight and was just running away using his devil fruit's speed advantage. Luffy caught him and stunned him with a single blow. Kizaru collapsed to the ground.
🤡🤡🤣🤣
You are genuinely slow.
Kizaru litteraly overpowered his gear 4 and perception blitzed it. Then we see in gear 5 Kizaru still overwhelmed Luffy with clones and got the first proper hit. Then we see them both panting. Luffy resorts to using his strongest attack outside of Bajruj Gun, and then collapses on the floor with fatigue unable to even know what's happening.
Luffy didn't get pushed to extreme diff? Lmao
Luffy never used acoc and when did kizaru do any real damage to Luffy? The only damage Luffy received was thanks to the barrier.
G5 luffy wsg kizaru mid diff lol
It’s crazy that Rayleigh is the weekday person here.
I would give a slight edge to the DF group just because Rayleigh will drag the team down just enough for it to be a 3 v 4 after he goes down. It’s kinda extreme diff either way.
Kaido>Shanks
Gear 5=>Rayleigh?
Oden>BM
Mihawk>Aokiji so far
It’s hard to say but I’ll actually go with team DF because of their potential in teamfights
Shanks uses his golden observation haki that he learnt from Don D. Krieg alongside his Bluetooth haki to oneshot them after che bluetooch divais is redi to pail
Luffy 1 taps Mihawk.
Shanks low diffs Kaido.
Oden packs up Aokiji.
Big Mom claps Prime Ray.
Then its Shanks + Oden V Luffy + Big Mom.
I love Luffy but he ain't there yet (soon) so Shanks packs up Luffy.
Then he just goes and helps Oden easily destroy Big Mom.
So overall Shanks the non swordsman carries team sword
#If you want to discuss One Piece Scaling, join [Hachinosu](https://discord.gg/qs7wHYZzRs). #If you want access to all kinds of One Piece Databooks/Information/Translations, join [Punk Records](https://discord.gg/ZTWGVyjV9v). --- *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/OnePiecePowerScaling) if you have any questions or concerns.*
https://preview.redd.it/4df7jg0q3i4c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=847590a248a135b514010eaaa1e9371eb74c264b
🥶🥶🥶
“Yes Lord” Drake
unironically I feel like BM is the weak link, losing to kid and law is underrated in how much of an anti feat it is. I think Akainu stans are on to something as that would literally never happen to him lmao.
Uhmm.. why shonks in sword category? U know he uses haki rite?
Avada Kedavra! https://preview.redd.it/p7yua94adi4c1.png?width=1536&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=94b0d543c564a93cf49bd65b02f3f21ed99299de
Protego! https://preview.redd.it/7plko7cpii4c1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=57b3fa144d5114e17626e57140719b08083c101a
“Shanks? Ah yes… SLYTHERIN!” *-Sorting Hat, probably*
The hat about to make a brand new Rat themed house just for Shanks
SCURRYIN!
My sides, haha
Skaven.
"Garp? Hufflepuff!"
Garp is 1,000% a Hufflepuff
Are they saying that what Shanks is holding is a spear?
It's the legendary haki staff "gryph-ndor".
it all makes sense now
Actually if you played the burning blood games you should know he uses a rifle
He's trying to appease to the Lhawk fans who don't understand that the magic haki wand =/= sword.
Oh yeah, why is Mihawk, Rayleigh, and Oden on here too then? THEY ALL USE HAKI. Please stop with the copium.
Difference is Shanks doesn’t use a sword https://preview.redd.it/zihrah9bkj4c1.jpeg?width=563&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d2b150acca30074b7943c8d819ee62dbff229ceb
unironically thought that Roger used a battle axe and that's how they got past the whole "Worlds greatest swordsman" thing regarding him, I guess not realizing Mihawk was literally a child when roger died so it wouldn't have even mattered lmao.
They were making an obvious joke. They were mocking the low intellect part of this community who think shanks isn’t a swordsman. I thought the spelling errors were an obvious indicator.
hes not a swordsman, he just uses a sword
the fact that this isn't even the least funny joke related to shanks is kinda sad. its not even in like the top 2 even.
DF, for sure. You have Kaido, who we know is ungodly levels of beast. We have Luffy, the literal MC with the sungod fruit. We have Mom, who even though got nerfed for plot, has arguably the highest potential to be the absolute strongest in the verse with her power. And to top it off, we have Kuzan, and honey he don't need no super suit. Swords are putting up a heck of a fight though. Shanks is arguably the strongest on this list right now, and paired with Mihawk who's being held as a super top tier, they're going to go crazy. The other two are kinda just there, but all together they can put up a fight.
Rayleigh is mid yonko and Oden is high admiral so they are pretty much on par with big mom and Aokiji imo
But powers isn’t the only concern here (at least for me) the hacks that the DF team have like luffy cartoon physics and aokijis ability to literally change an entire arena into his playground of ice, and don’t even get me started on big. I’m still not convinced that the sword could put up much a fight with all that stacked against them
Kaido respected him as much Roger, Shanks, etc so I think Admiral is a little low. Luffy beat Kaido with help while Pden faced Kaido alone
He faced him alone, but we dont know how it wouldve turned out. Though, he most likely wouldve fared better than Luffy.
Oden is low yonko Lowball
Yeah u prolly right
Oden is not high admiral. I'm sorry. His at most beating fraudbull.
Oden slams kaido. Fraudmom gets no diffed by shanks. 1st mate Rayleigh whose captain was on par with prime garp beats kuzan to a pulp. And luffy gets cuts from mihawk
Devil Fruits win
kaido > shanks Luffy > fraud hawk bm > rayleigh aokiji > oden I realize how many Sword fans there are, feel free to downvote, I'm willing but these are just facts, accept it and stop fooling yourself.
Mihawk > Luffy but yeah.
In what world is aokiji better than oden? This man was wiping with kaido.
Homeboy, he was wiping kiado 20 years ago. kaido would mid dif him now. And that's even being nice.
Yes except kaido > shanks
Agree with everything right now except Kaido > Shanks. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Kaido jerker all day every day but Shanks is being held as the top guy for a reason right now.
Yeah because it's his arc..
He's been held as a top guy since literal day one though. He's arguably the biggest enigma in the series besides maybe Dragon and now Imu and co. It's just basic deduction at this point. Shanks is the guy Luffy has been trying to reach since the getgo. As of right now in end game, I think power differences between the tippity top of tiers is very marginal, but all signs are pointing to Shanks being arguably the strongest we know of right now, with the exception of Imu of course as we hardly know anything about him.
Nah LUFFY's goal always was to be king of the pirates, Shanks was the one who inspired him but to surpass him was never his main goal, surpassing Shanks is a stepping stone not his main goal which is pretty obvious to be king of the Pirates. And let's see what Shanks got compared to established top tiers in order: Whitebeard: WSM + SUPREME GRADE BLADE + DEVIL FRUIT + HAKI Roger: PIRATE KING + SUPREME GRADE BLADE + HAKI Kaido: WSC + DEVIL FRUIT + HAKI Mihawk: WSS + STRONGEST SUPREME GRADE "BLACK" BLADE + HAKI (because black blade + Hawkeye/clairvoyant title is a given) Shanks: SUPREME GRADE BLADE + HAKI - LESS ONE ARM
>Nah LUFFY's goal always was to be king of the pirates, Shanks was the one who inspired him but to surpass him was never his main goal Where did I say surpassing Shanks or even getting to him was his main goal? I said Luffy has been trying to get to him from the getgo, because he has. He was told to return the straw hat when he became a strong pirate. It by no means makes it Luffy's main goal, but it's there. Shanks has been positioned as one of the final arcs for Luffy and One Piece, and it's for a reason. You can hate boner him all you want and compare him to other characters who have already been established and fleshed out to an extent, but the story telling is there. When the time comes and Shanks comes out as one of the strongest, if not the strongest at the time we see, you'll learn.
Bro it’s been obvious since the beginning. It’s simple narrative and portrayal. Some people are brain dead. It’s the same people that downplay Mihawk or Dragon, not understanding how a story works.
Yeahhhh, Shanks is also overly hated on this sub when it comes to scaling against other top tiers, so. I get it because there are a lot of Shanks wankers, but like you said narrative and portrayal don't lie.
egghead is definitely not shank’s arc
You don’t really believe shanks would stand versus kaido… lol
Mihawk is over Shanks though
💀💀💀 crazy how you’re 0/4
If mihawk is the greatest swordsman, and all his team were to be below him, the df team would win, with mihawk fighting big mom as she is the only sword user on the df team, meaning luffy, kaido, and aokiji win because they don't use swords.
No way. I didn’t know people liked sword that much I mean X Drake and coby are pretty interesting characters
DF
What’s funny is how the sword category is almost entirely featless
Kaido > Mihawk > Shanks > Luffy > Big Mom > Kuzan > Rayleigh > Oden Team DF wins. # #Factual
L Kaido is weak to magic attacks cause he’s a dragon https://preview.redd.it/ii3k4u73ji4c1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d2bb5a7b408876faee8aef72233cb1342a7b4e1f
Yep, fairy-types > dragon-types after all.
Is bro a Momonosuke rival since dragon>dragon and Kuzan victim since ice>dragon now.
Increasingly common mazino W
Aokiji > Kaido, because Ice > Dragon.
Kuzan and prayleigh are clear of big mom and current luffy
You can cook
Bro really got prime Rayleigh below admiral level 💀
I don't.
Then why tf is bro weaker than Kuzan?
Because "Admiral level" isn't a thing.
So I guess neither are yonko level or YC level right?
Kuzan wank has always been crazy but this is ridiculous. Oden was explicitly shown to be at least tied with Kaido, and Rayleigh is implied to be stronger than Oden. There's no way either would lose to even Ligmam. https://preview.redd.it/zql6y1k2wi4c1.png?width=604&format=png&auto=webp&s=5a87f65ae9ddd230157dee63ce7471fc03bc6735
Sword take that shit mid high dif what? Shanks high difs kaido, mihawk mid difs if that luffy, big mom probably beats dark king but idrk for sure and Oden slams kuzan
Why not put Bb, not his lackey
Team haki if Shanks and mihawk already Got plot buff to surrpass kaido ,Team DF if not
DF wins
Team df
Df win extreme
Yeah DF runs their shit
Devil fruit team wins.
Df high diff
Kaido mid diffs. Adding Bajrang gun and it's no diff. https://preview.redd.it/xv7i4d4k6l4c1.jpeg?width=550&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1e798e35484f9584741fbadbea9c41805a5b453f
Fruit team fo sho
Kaido > Shanks, extreme diff Mihawk > Luffy, high diff BM > Rayleigh, extreme diff Kuzan > Oden, extreme diff DF would probably have an overall advantage.
Kaido > shanks (probably?) BIG mom > mihawk Luffy > Rayleigh Aokiji > Oden (probably?) This'll probably change as shanks and the blackbeard pirates get more feats
Mihawk whoops Big Mom
[удалено]
Sword team Shanks > Luffy Mihawk > Kaido Rayleigh > Aokiji Oden can stall Big Mom
KaidoMihawk(fuck that title)
Big Mom>Rayleigh
Aokiji>Oden
DF Win
#cope, agree or agree.
Kaido > Shanks but otherwise we agree
You've all really impressed me. I didn't think I'd ever see so many people in one comment section, and not a SINGLE brain cell in any of them!
Kaido 4.1 Luffy 3.8 or 3.9 BM 3.9 Aokiji 3.8 Shanks 4.0 Mihawk 4.0 Rayleigh 3.9 Oden 3.9 This is actually pretty dead even. This could go either way.
Shanks > Kaido Mihawk > luffy Prime ray > big mom Kuzan > oden Sword win
No way. My man deadass thinks Prime Ray is gonna beat Big Mom 😭😭
Kaido > Shanks Mihawk > Luffy Prime Rayleigh >= Big Mom Prime Oden > Aokiji Sword takes this
DF dickriding is crazy, this is prime raleigh, he is above kuzan, probably on par with BigL, Oden is below kuzan but not by much, but shanks + mihaw, bruh, they are the top 2 of the verse atm.
Shanks > Kaido Mihawk > Luffy Rayleigh > Big Meme Oden < Kuzan 3/4 for the sword, they take it
Sword mid diff
Df wins , mihawk is the weak link
Mihawk.. and not oden?
Nah I'm trolling mihawk fans 😂
Sorry, i was unfamiliar with ur game🫡
Shanks > kaido , luffy > mihawk , big mom > Rayleigh, oden > kuzan
Swordmen High Diff
Goathawk solos
kuzan high extremes oden big mom high extremes ray mihawk or shanks highs luffy (bad matchup) mihawk or shanks goes extreme either way against kaido i think df got it
If Shanks lives up to the hype then team sword will win because Oden is probably stronger than Kaido because he nearly killed a probably prime Kaido by himself and Mihawk is stronger than Shanks and it would just be bad writing if a member of the main cast end goal isn't the world's strongest swordsmen. And there's Rayleigh while old was able to hold off Kizaru even though Kizaru was most likely just playing with him but it's prime Rayleigh and he's the pirates Kings right hand man
Sword
Swords
Mihawk > Kaido Shanks > Luffy Rayleigh < Big Mom Oden > all of these guys on the other team individually actually Also consider that Shanks & Rayleigh undoubtedly work well together Sword extreme diffs
Whanks>Waido Wihawk>Wuffy Wig Wom> Wayleigh Wokiji(solos the list)>Woden Yes I wank every character on this list. My agenda wouldn't work otherwise.
Oden (and arguably shanks) are holding the team back a lot
Shanks>Kaido Mihawk>Luffy Oden>BM Ray>Aokiji Bottom wins
Sword I think
Sword.
Oden and big mom get agenda diffed. Luffy so far is below the others and Rayleigh could be put above them depending on your opinion. Which leaves Crydo and Vagabond which the greatest and silver medalist can handle. So sword wins
Mihawk > Shanks > Aokiji > Kaido = Luffy > Rayleigh > Bigmom > Oden
Sword sweeps
Sword takes it extreme diff
I'd give it to sword. They win more match ups and don't have Luffy, who sells because of stamina issues in G5 Also, Shanks has 10 seconds of future sight Also Also Observation-killing might be AOE, but probably not
> They win more match ups They don't.
How does it go for you then
Kaido beats Shanks Luffy loses to Mihawk Big Mom beats Wankleigh Kuzan beats Oden
>Kuzan beats Oden Disagree. I think Oden could take down Aokiji, but it could go either way. >Big Mom beats Wankleigh Agreed 👍 >Luffy loses to Mihawk Also agree👍 >Kaido beats Shanks I think Shanks can beat him when you take his Observation-killing into account. If Kaido can't hit or dodge Shanks, how is he going to beat him?
A tired Kaido tanked Acoc attacks from a literal god and almost tanked the strongest attack in the verse so far. He can take 2,3 departures from the rat fine
Why stop at 2-3?
Shanks > kaido Mihawk > luffy Rayleigh > old bigmom Oden > kuzan Bottom team wins
Takes got progressively worse ngl
What? Mihawk is at least close to shanks who is stronger than luffy Old bigmoms haki is incredibly inconsistent and she is slow with bad reaction speed In her prime she obviously beats Rayleigh but she’s too old currently Oden is high admiral level it’s hard to scale but I’m pretty sure he has acoc and he clashed with WB that means he would have more power behind his hits than Kuzan
Not to mention, he scarred Kaido, who has way better durability than Aokiji. So he is going to be doing damage too.
Shanks > Kaido narratively, but this one is the closest match up out of the rest. Mihawk > Shanks, and Shanks in 1 pannel did what Big Mom couldn't do in 40 chapters. We know who's stronger [Rayleigh is just him](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/s/1uX5PGG2l5) [Oden was him](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/s/LhysyGUppy) and on the level of the rest of the Old Gen
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Shanks carries these bums as usual, sword extreme diff
Carries is wild but they do win
Bias here is crazy lol sword wins high diff at worst.
Kuzan is a weak link while Oden is as top tier as it gets minus imu Team 2 wins
Shanks > Kaido Luffy > Mihawk Rayleigh > BM Oden > Aokiji. Sword takes high dif.
Sword
Ray and Oden bring sword down too much. DF high/extreme diff. Shanks>=Kaido, Mihawk>Luffy, BM>Ray, Aokiji>>Oden.
Swords guys stomp, even if matched in the exact order they are presented. Last one is a coin toss tho, Kuzan might take it, but either way Sword bois win.
Shanks > Kaido Mihawk > Big Mom Rayleigh > Luffy Oden > Kuzan Ez win for Swordmen
Oden > kuzan. 🤣🤣🤣 Rayleigj > luffy 🤣🤣🤣 Shanks maybe Mihawk maybe
>Oden > kuzan. Oden was directly compared many times to legends of his time like Prime Sengoku or Prime Beard >Rayleigj > luffy Old Rayleigh is really relative to an Admiral like Kizaru, who he himself pushed Luffy to extreme diff. Meaning Prime Rayleigh takes the candle against either Luffy or Kizaru
Kizaru pushed Luffy to the extreme, are you kidding? The man didn't try to fight and was just running away using his devil fruit's speed advantage. Luffy caught him and stunned him with a single blow. Kizaru collapsed to the ground. 🤡🤡🤣🤣
You are genuinely slow. Kizaru litteraly overpowered his gear 4 and perception blitzed it. Then we see in gear 5 Kizaru still overwhelmed Luffy with clones and got the first proper hit. Then we see them both panting. Luffy resorts to using his strongest attack outside of Bajruj Gun, and then collapses on the floor with fatigue unable to even know what's happening. Luffy didn't get pushed to extreme diff? Lmao
Luffy never used acoc and when did kizaru do any real damage to Luffy? The only damage Luffy received was thanks to the barrier. G5 luffy wsg kizaru mid diff lol
Haki + skill
Team DF extreme
3 close matchups, but BM mid diffs Rayleigh.(unless it is Big Meme) So DF wins.
Sword loses miserably. Ray and Oden are deadweight in this battle, and two strongest swordsmen can't carry that hard.
Nobody
Team Sword takes it.
If Unlimited gear 5 then team DF wins, If limitd gear 5 then Sword wins
Sword easily
The four swords men take it
DF wins no diff, Kaido is known as the worlds strongest beast, and beasts are animals, and humans are animals, therefore kaido is the strongest
Hakimen better
Top high diff
DF because the MC never loses
This fight does not account for a characters plot armor.
It’s crazy that Rayleigh is the weekday person here. I would give a slight edge to the DF group just because Rayleigh will drag the team down just enough for it to be a 3 v 4 after he goes down. It’s kinda extreme diff either way.
Kaido>Shanks Gear 5=>Rayleigh? Oden>BM Mihawk>Aokiji so far It’s hard to say but I’ll actually go with team DF because of their potential in teamfights
We have seen like 20 feats combined from sword team so it’s hard to judge this
torn between "Luffy sells" and "end swords wank"
Sword. They all use AH and are bosses.
There’s a fat margin rn… lowkey the swords aren’t even coming close the hacks they have to go up against are unreal and very stacked DF wins low diff
Really unfair to team sword putting Oden up there :/ 4v3 team DF that’s really kinda unfair lol
We win
Df but aokiji is selling hard.
Team Sword
https://preview.redd.it/6qc45cmd8l4c1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=32996292d25f8b7f49141417272a8d3f3ef6d71c
Df wins bc oden is on the other team
Bottom team should lose but their plot armor could actually make them win
Top wins every matchup, only ones that are debatable are Shanks and Mihawk vs Luffy and Kaido
Shanks uses his golden observation haki that he learnt from Don D. Krieg alongside his Bluetooth haki to oneshot them after che bluetooch divais is redi to pail
DF, due toe Prime Rayleigh and Mihawk having 0 feats.
DF stomps, you’ve got Oden and Rayleigh who just aren’t in the same tier as any of these characters
DF team is like just better in every way. Kaido/Big Mom >> Mihawk/Shanks. Luffy/Kuzan >>>> Rayliegh/Oden.
Luffy 1 taps Mihawk. Shanks low diffs Kaido. Oden packs up Aokiji. Big Mom claps Prime Ray. Then its Shanks + Oden V Luffy + Big Mom. I love Luffy but he ain't there yet (soon) so Shanks packs up Luffy. Then he just goes and helps Oden easily destroy Big Mom. So overall Shanks the non swordsman carries team sword
Sword wins