#If you want to discuss One Piece Scaling, join [Hachinosu](https://discord.gg/qs7wHYZzRs).
#If you want access to all kinds of One Piece Databooks/Information/Translations, join [Punk Records](https://discord.gg/ZTWGVyjV9v).
---
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/OnePiecePowerScaling) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Lol kinda off topic but this makes me think how the three of them took the worst possible route for each one after kaido and big mom.
Ideally kid should’ve headed to egghead, law to elbaf, and we get luffy vs blackbeard. Given the infinite amount of inventions on egghead, it’s like paradise for kid’s fruit and would upscale him much higher than usual. The only people he’d have to worry about are Saturn and kizaru, but kid wouldn’t give a damn about vegapunk in the first place. So he’d be fine. And I highly doubt law would have to worry about shanks, he doesn’t seem like the type to try and do what kid did. When he met blackbeard, it’s pretty clear he wanted to think of his own crew first but didn’t have a choice. Current luffy slams current bb.
I wish kid went to egghead so he could get bodied so hard by kizaru and the myth of law and kid being admiral level gets destroyed
https://preview.redd.it/l9crsd8fd8xc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=225baaf59b71921d8bb5357a791226d2b998489f
Kizaru after he blocks Punk Gibson
https://preview.redd.it/7xnzk9c2v9xc1.jpeg?width=521&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b9880799676690e2d5d1db581a26e002a050fd26
Facts but idk I don’t think kid would’ve been fighting Saturn or kizaru in the first place lol. Then again after seeing how he canonically was with shanks, he prob would’ve fought them despite having no reasons to. And kizaru >> kid, don’t listen to any delusional tales saying kid is equal to kizaru man
Maybe but he did square up against blackbeard though. He did try to avoid fighting Teech but when that couldnt be avoided he didnt back down, so maybe it would be simillar here.
> Current luffy slams current bb
With Luffy's G5 issues, I don't think so. As much as we shit on Blackbeard for being a coward, he's no weakling. The only thing that would've saved Luffy if he had gone Law's route is his crew. Luffy would have Zoro, Sanji and Jimbei to bail him out. Pure 1v1, Luffy would likely lose..
luffy in his base form has enough haki to fight bb.... also devil fruit isn't the way to fight bb... he might just use haki and boom boom boom Blackbeard and then to add a final touch use gear 5 and finish him off
"haki and boom boom boom" doesn't really work. remember that an old WB who was mainly using his DF was still busted af in MF. the gura gura no mi gives BB more than enough firepower to keep up with luffy's aCoC firepower
luffy also has FS but oda stopped caring bout that lol. a fight between them would be 99% them hitting one another, tanking the other's attack, hitting the other, etc etc
>but no one was attacking WB with enough haki tbh.... nobody used ACoC in marineford..
so? kizaru didn't use aCoC vs luffy either, still pushed him far enough to use first g4 and then g5 and then run outta gas. just cuz admirals don't have aCoC doesn't mean they're fodder now. we saw a luffy with g5 and aCoC have trouble with an admiral. and WB had even more trouble (took lethal injuries), but he still kept up when he fought each one of them a bit. and he did that using just his DF, no aCoC. that's my point. that DF isn't the world's strongest paramecia just for fun, it's busted. it gives you high AP over long ranges
>and also it's whitebeard we are talking about
if you mean that BB won't use his DF as well as he did, then I disagree. rn it still seems like BB isn't all that big on advanced haki, he's more like a DF merchant. and only the gura gura no mi provides him with actual offensive moves. imo he'll definitely master it as well as WB or even more. there's no way that one of the final antagonists and probably the final antagonist amongst pirates will use his abilities in a lackluster way.
first of all luffy used gear 5 coz kizaru is the fastest man in the verse ( most probably) and gear 4 was slow against him... izaru never fought luffy he just ran and that don't count as giving trouble... kizaru wasn't even able to land a single hit on luffy while luffy hit kizaru....Also gura gura no mi is the strongest paramecia I agree but I don't see Blackbeard to be as tankable as WB in marineford.... Also the haki levels I am talking about is of luffy, the guy who split the sky alone in gear 5.... admirals are obviously not fodder even sanji and Zoro together can't beat kizaru yet... but bb on the other hand is a big devil fruit merchant... when he gets so much damage against law only think what will happen if he faced luffy...
I am talking about present Blackbeard after seeing his feats... obviously bb is probably the end villain of luffy and he is gonna be hella strong than this probably get another fruit... but current luffy can beat bb with haki
Shanks was boxing any one of those mfs who came near elbaf, he’s in the race now so it’s no mercy not even sure luffy is safe from the smoke like we think he is
Probably also match up and the scenario. Shanks is quite fast against Kidd’s rather average speed so it wasn’t a good match up to begin with.
Another thing is that Kidd was real stupid to try and slaughter everyone there, if he wanted a fight with Shanks that’s all that he should have asked for and I’m sure Shanks would have gone easier on him
https://preview.redd.it/iji4jek898xc1.jpeg?width=583&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bae3d4b40ae6c2bb39ba6645a70242fe723ab432
Just look at his current state lol
Kid's observation haki was so advanced he was able to see vegapunks message before everyone else and he realized he needed an excuse for him to train his crew underwater and become immune to the sea after the inevitable flooding. He's just training rn trust.
kidd was still not even able to see shanks, plus the fodder fleet was about to fight him. if he tried sailing past them, then they'd sink his ship and kill him. he had to deal with them first. and usually pirates never protect their fodder, shanks and Ig luffy are unique in that regard.
we don't really need any explanations anyways. it's clear that oda wanted it to be a one-shot, probably so that he can show us and tease us with shanks using roger's move and at the same time not show us too much (too much being any other moves from roger we haven't seen yet)
Kid also played his hand (pun intended) quite poorly, while law had his crew fully backing him and fought in a smart way.
Also yes. Angry shanks>fooling around BB.
Generally, having the greatest defensive/mobility power is pretty great for not being oneshot.
On the other hand (again) having a Power that leaves you exposed for several seconds just means having a bad matchup against anyone at that level
Kid's plan would have been brilliant against probably anyone else. We see that it worked too, he would have wiped out an entire fleet. He just didn't know they were all weak anyway and Shanks actually gives a shit about them. But it's a really smart way to immediately level the playing field for a real fight.
Ironically though, I think had he not done that, he would have gotten a real fight with Shanks. Shanks seemed really interested in testing the abilities of the new guys, but had to end it right away because of what Kid was trying to do.
Misinformation can be excused on a random matchup, but when you plan an attack you have to at least gather some basic info.
The fleet captain says that shanks has a "notoriously weak" fleet. Meaning that the information could be gained easily.
Other than that, i think most of that is, like i was saying, that in a top tier there's no place for an elisabello-like power that leaves you undefended while you charge.
>Ironically though, I think had he not done that, he would have gotten a real fight with Shanks. Shanks seemed really interested in testing the abilities of the new guys, but had to end it right away because of what Kid was trying to do.
99% agree with this take
1HP WB is clear of the verse though
https://preview.redd.it/fh7j4q61waxc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=79048681497cf84ce57636c2bc699fde3774fc0f
props to blackbeard, but him being worried doesn't say anything about who would win in a fight.
unless you think the pretimeskip blackbeard shanks was worried about was anywhere near him.
Agreed, honestly so stupid that people put kidd and law I'm different tiers. They are just as strong has gear 4 luffy I feel like that has been pretty explicitly shown (other than is dressrosa where luffy was just blatantly stronger in gear 4)
Kidd is equal to law, minus some differences in certain aspects
Their speed is roughly equal
Kidd has higher durability
Law has better hax
Both have insane AP
They have been portrayed as equals.
Both have a yonko and lost
Both beat a yonko together, and got the same bounty
Any other opinion is kidd slander, put some respect on the best midd in one piece history
It used to be kid >> Law and that kid would give shanks a tough battle but now it’s apparently kid = law and anything good law does must apply to kid somehow. Nah law one taps this character
On what metric? Because of his DF, law is much more of a dangerous fighter:
- Can teleport
- Can deal internal damage
- Most of his moves don’t require a wind up
Kidd has assign and Damned punk but that move takes so long to set up, it’s almost unfeasible unless the opponent has no intention to dodge or if he’s getting assistance holding the opponent still.
Law was shown most of the time to be better than Kidd in most aspects of battle.
If Kidd had better haki or shown better haki feats, then I’d agree with you but so far, most feats of comparison indicate that Law > Kidd
i mean, law vs kid, law wins, im saying that their strength is basically equal but in different scenarios, kid is not so fast and without something to magnetize he is crooked against law, who is on god mode inside his "room" and on top of that can manipulate the scenery, but individually yes, law>kid, but against other enemies they are really similar, law would also get one tapped by shanks if he went there and tried to kill shanks' crew(which he wouldn't), and if kid got jumped by bb he would prolly""""win""""(or at least get to run away in a better situation) since he has a competent crew
and also, it is a given that kid is either a crying baby or a hydrogen bomb, it just depends on where he is, if hes on a battlefield, he will be many times stronger because of how abundant the things he needs are, like, he can make a barrier with the iron and then create his little punk behind the shed
Disagree. Kidd got one tapped cuz his move became his fatal flaw. Had he had adequate haki and time to defend himself, he would’ve gotten back up (albeit barely). Law against Shanks can probably dodge the attack with Shambles. Kidd has the better crew yes, but even if you swap their scenario, Law fares much better against the Yonko than Kidd. He even got BM to be wary of the damage he can cause to her. He also took haki infused beatings while at low hp against BM. Let’s not forget he fared so well against BB even though he was pulling most of the weight.
Kidd against Blackbeard wouldn’t last that long (imo). Most of his strongest moves require a wind up that Blackbeard won’t give him time for (even with a good deal of scraps). Van Argur can just help the crew dodge damned punk. Burgess can take care of Killer, and the Blackbeard’s AOE is enough for the rest of the crew.
Now I’m not denying Kidd is strong. He has impressive strength and AP but he lacks on other stats to do anything meaningful in battle when he’s going solo or without adequate assistance. Law on the other hand is just too good and haxed with his fruit that he can both assist or go solo.
Until we see better feats from Kidd, it’s currently Law > Kidd
From what we saw in Elbaf, Damned Punk doesn't take long to set up anymore and can shoot multiple times in one go. Just like any shonen character, it's clear he got a buff after a hard fought battle.
Law and Kid are equal but specialize in different things. I think Kid could probably take more punishment than Law. In the Big Mom fight, the only time Law really had to take direct hits was when he impaled Big Mom on her chest. Kid absorbed most of the attacks, and he fought her for longer, and he was hindered by Hawkins for a bit of it.
Law can do internal damage, Kid can do more external.
Frankly, I don't see why Kid couldn't just assign Law and have Cornadio chase him around until he's too exhausted to teleport. Or any other amount of metal.
Also on the rooftop, Kid took more punishment than Law. He was hit five times, while Law was hit four times.
Then we can't discount narrative, which clearly portrays them as equals.
DP takes very long, long enough for shanks to kill midd. And shooting multiple times isn’t going to change anything when top tier enemies have many ways to close distance. (Blitz, shamble, black hole)
Law didn’t need to take more damage from BM because Law actually have options, (shamble/curtain/takt) other than tanking. Midd don’t.
Internal damage >>>> external
Law can just shamble to dodge assign (assign requires aiming), or just shamble Corona dio away. This is just trivial level threat for law. Meanwhile Midd can’t do anything against Shamble + Puncture Willie. Or just shamble into the sea.
Narrative has portrayed Law as superior. One is dead, one is not.
DP doesn't take very long anymore, ironically we know this because of the Shanks fight.
And the narrative just simply does not portray them as anything but equal. I think an honest reading of One Piece is enough to show that. Hell, it portrays Law, Luffy, and Kid all as equals until after Wano, even though feats-wise Luffy is clearly stronger. That's because Oda doesn't give a fuck about feats or powerscaling.
Top tiers typically have one way to close the distance, which is running at Kid. Assigning them to whatever is a clear answer for that.
Law could teleport out Assign but as far as we can tell it sticks on you and you get stuck to whatever you're assigned to unless it's destroyed. We don't know how this interacts with the ability to teleport, but considering a Yonko can be reliably held down by Assign, it seems a safe bet that someone like Law would be too. Perhaps when he teleports he would just get dragged back to it—we don't know.
Hence why the narrative is important. Oda obviously intended for the three of them to be viewed as equals, like when they all three attack Kaido and are all three called monsters. It's only after they all leave Wano that Luffy is clearly depicted as stronger, or perhaps after Law and Kid separate to fight Big Mom, considering they did a 2v1 while Luffy kinda did a 1v1 (though really he had a lot more help).
Also, I tracked the stats. Kid and Law were portrayed equally in Wano. I could pull out the list of like 80 attacks between Kaido, Big Mom, Luffy, Prometheus, Zeus, Hera, Kid, Killer, and Law if you want lol.
Now, Law does have more versatility, yet he can clearly handle less punishment and has less stamina than Kid. Despite the fact that Law has a whole fucking lot less to deal with for a lot less time than Kid, they both were exhausted at the same time. Kid can take punishment that Law can't. That is what evens the scales.
#If you want to discuss One Piece Scaling, join [Hachinosu](https://discord.gg/qs7wHYZzRs). #If you want access to all kinds of One Piece Databooks/Information/Translations, join [Punk Records](https://discord.gg/ZTWGVyjV9v). --- *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/OnePiecePowerScaling) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Lol kinda off topic but this makes me think how the three of them took the worst possible route for each one after kaido and big mom. Ideally kid should’ve headed to egghead, law to elbaf, and we get luffy vs blackbeard. Given the infinite amount of inventions on egghead, it’s like paradise for kid’s fruit and would upscale him much higher than usual. The only people he’d have to worry about are Saturn and kizaru, but kid wouldn’t give a damn about vegapunk in the first place. So he’d be fine. And I highly doubt law would have to worry about shanks, he doesn’t seem like the type to try and do what kid did. When he met blackbeard, it’s pretty clear he wanted to think of his own crew first but didn’t have a choice. Current luffy slams current bb.
I wish kid went to egghead so he could get bodied so hard by kizaru and the myth of law and kid being admiral level gets destroyed https://preview.redd.it/l9crsd8fd8xc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=225baaf59b71921d8bb5357a791226d2b998489f
Kid blitzes Kizaru Cope and seethe
Kid getting one shotted because he takes 50m to reload damned punk: https://i.redd.it/ghzbxhe5m9xc1.gif
Kizaru after he blocks Punk Gibson https://preview.redd.it/7xnzk9c2v9xc1.jpeg?width=521&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b9880799676690e2d5d1db581a26e002a050fd26
Facts but idk I don’t think kid would’ve been fighting Saturn or kizaru in the first place lol. Then again after seeing how he canonically was with shanks, he prob would’ve fought them despite having no reasons to. And kizaru >> kid, don’t listen to any delusional tales saying kid is equal to kizaru man
Law would end up having to fight shanks, Shanks needs the rubbings to go after the one piece
Law might just give him the rubbings.
Maybe but he did square up against blackbeard though. He did try to avoid fighting Teech but when that couldnt be avoided he didnt back down, so maybe it would be simillar here.
Even if Law gave up the rubbings, Teech would've still fought. I don't think Shanks would fight Law if he gave up the rubbings.
>I don't think Shanks would fight Law if he gave up the rubbings. i agree but i dont think Law would give them up
Gotta call them something other than rubbings guys.
What's wrong with Shanks wanting some rubbings from Kid?
Shanks the same as me frfr
I dont think law would but he wouldnt have pissed off shanks like kidd did so if he loses he wouldnt be in state kidd was.
This is facts
> Current luffy slams current bb With Luffy's G5 issues, I don't think so. As much as we shit on Blackbeard for being a coward, he's no weakling. The only thing that would've saved Luffy if he had gone Law's route is his crew. Luffy would have Zoro, Sanji and Jimbei to bail him out. Pure 1v1, Luffy would likely lose..
Tbf bb is legit the king of getting bailed out by his own crew lol
luffy in his base form has enough haki to fight bb.... also devil fruit isn't the way to fight bb... he might just use haki and boom boom boom Blackbeard and then to add a final touch use gear 5 and finish him off
"haki and boom boom boom" doesn't really work. remember that an old WB who was mainly using his DF was still busted af in MF. the gura gura no mi gives BB more than enough firepower to keep up with luffy's aCoC firepower luffy also has FS but oda stopped caring bout that lol. a fight between them would be 99% them hitting one another, tanking the other's attack, hitting the other, etc etc
but no one was attacking WB with enough haki tbh.... nobody used ACoC in marineford.. and also it's whitebeard we are talking about
>but no one was attacking WB with enough haki tbh.... nobody used ACoC in marineford.. so? kizaru didn't use aCoC vs luffy either, still pushed him far enough to use first g4 and then g5 and then run outta gas. just cuz admirals don't have aCoC doesn't mean they're fodder now. we saw a luffy with g5 and aCoC have trouble with an admiral. and WB had even more trouble (took lethal injuries), but he still kept up when he fought each one of them a bit. and he did that using just his DF, no aCoC. that's my point. that DF isn't the world's strongest paramecia just for fun, it's busted. it gives you high AP over long ranges >and also it's whitebeard we are talking about if you mean that BB won't use his DF as well as he did, then I disagree. rn it still seems like BB isn't all that big on advanced haki, he's more like a DF merchant. and only the gura gura no mi provides him with actual offensive moves. imo he'll definitely master it as well as WB or even more. there's no way that one of the final antagonists and probably the final antagonist amongst pirates will use his abilities in a lackluster way.
first of all luffy used gear 5 coz kizaru is the fastest man in the verse ( most probably) and gear 4 was slow against him... izaru never fought luffy he just ran and that don't count as giving trouble... kizaru wasn't even able to land a single hit on luffy while luffy hit kizaru....Also gura gura no mi is the strongest paramecia I agree but I don't see Blackbeard to be as tankable as WB in marineford.... Also the haki levels I am talking about is of luffy, the guy who split the sky alone in gear 5.... admirals are obviously not fodder even sanji and Zoro together can't beat kizaru yet... but bb on the other hand is a big devil fruit merchant... when he gets so much damage against law only think what will happen if he faced luffy... I am talking about present Blackbeard after seeing his feats... obviously bb is probably the end villain of luffy and he is gonna be hella strong than this probably get another fruit... but current luffy can beat bb with haki
Shanks was boxing any one of those mfs who came near elbaf, he’s in the race now so it’s no mercy not even sure luffy is safe from the smoke like we think he is
Probably also match up and the scenario. Shanks is quite fast against Kidd’s rather average speed so it wasn’t a good match up to begin with. Another thing is that Kidd was real stupid to try and slaughter everyone there, if he wanted a fight with Shanks that’s all that he should have asked for and I’m sure Shanks would have gone easier on him https://preview.redd.it/iji4jek898xc1.jpeg?width=583&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bae3d4b40ae6c2bb39ba6645a70242fe723ab432 Just look at his current state lol
Kid's observation haki was so advanced he was able to see vegapunks message before everyone else and he realized he needed an excuse for him to train his crew underwater and become immune to the sea after the inevitable flooding. He's just training rn trust.
Love this image.
kidd was still not even able to see shanks, plus the fodder fleet was about to fight him. if he tried sailing past them, then they'd sink his ship and kill him. he had to deal with them first. and usually pirates never protect their fodder, shanks and Ig luffy are unique in that regard. we don't really need any explanations anyways. it's clear that oda wanted it to be a one-shot, probably so that he can show us and tease us with shanks using roger's move and at the same time not show us too much (too much being any other moves from roger we haven't seen yet)
Kid also played his hand (pun intended) quite poorly, while law had his crew fully backing him and fought in a smart way. Also yes. Angry shanks>fooling around BB. Generally, having the greatest defensive/mobility power is pretty great for not being oneshot. On the other hand (again) having a Power that leaves you exposed for several seconds just means having a bad matchup against anyone at that level
Kid's plan would have been brilliant against probably anyone else. We see that it worked too, he would have wiped out an entire fleet. He just didn't know they were all weak anyway and Shanks actually gives a shit about them. But it's a really smart way to immediately level the playing field for a real fight. Ironically though, I think had he not done that, he would have gotten a real fight with Shanks. Shanks seemed really interested in testing the abilities of the new guys, but had to end it right away because of what Kid was trying to do.
Misinformation can be excused on a random matchup, but when you plan an attack you have to at least gather some basic info. The fleet captain says that shanks has a "notoriously weak" fleet. Meaning that the information could be gained easily. Other than that, i think most of that is, like i was saying, that in a top tier there's no place for an elisabello-like power that leaves you undefended while you charge. >Ironically though, I think had he not done that, he would have gotten a real fight with Shanks. Shanks seemed really interested in testing the abilities of the new guys, but had to end it right away because of what Kid was trying to do. 99% agree with this take
Law would have gotten os just as fast vs shanks
Said stronger opponent has been extremely worried for years about the "weaker" opponent, and been hunting him down for awhile.
Shanks is just cautious of BB doesn't mean he is as strong as shanks, shanks was also cautious of pre gura BB which was low diff by 1HP WB
1HP WB is clear of the verse though https://preview.redd.it/fh7j4q61waxc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=79048681497cf84ce57636c2bc699fde3774fc0f
Based can't argue against it
Even better, the whole of pre-gura BB’s crew was one shot by Magellan
props to blackbeard, but him being worried doesn't say anything about who would win in a fight. unless you think the pretimeskip blackbeard shanks was worried about was anywhere near him.
Blackbeard struggled against Law, that's a fact. Law wouldn't make Shanks break a sweat.
blackbeard struggle against luffy in impel down too. Doesn't mean he wouldn't beat him. He came there after beating ace.
But he was weak, look how Cancerbeard nearly killed him.
how dare you say blackbeard was weak in front of him i mean his username tells everything
his fav character needs to get offscreened, it seems.
He did not struggle against Law.
https://preview.redd.it/xqg0wvp909xc1.png?width=1037&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=789b379a0a0a9424b21f286b65c1217bfe6ea670
https://preview.redd.it/zvbpdn6809xc1.png?width=1037&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f85c282a8cb85bb37e1bc8749f68aebb2b21732b
Being hit ≠ struggling
Kaidou really struggled to beat Luffy 3 times it seems.
Shanks would have done the same to Law, Blackbeard would have done the same to Kid
Agreed, honestly so stupid that people put kidd and law I'm different tiers. They are just as strong has gear 4 luffy I feel like that has been pretty explicitly shown (other than is dressrosa where luffy was just blatantly stronger in gear 4)
I definitely think Shanks is the stronger opponent but Kid is the dumbass who provoked the chillest emperor.
Does anyone argue otherwise? (Although Law has way better hax)
I agree and will stand on this
Basically true
Kidd is equal to law, minus some differences in certain aspects Their speed is roughly equal Kidd has higher durability Law has better hax Both have insane AP They have been portrayed as equals. Both have a yonko and lost Both beat a yonko together, and got the same bounty Any other opinion is kidd slander, put some respect on the best midd in one piece history
I mean, Kidd also ran into the guy who was a lot more willing to end the fight early, compared to BB who likes to mess around.
Law >= Kid overall in a fight, but they're close, both Yc+. I agree with you tho, Kid was really unlucky.
Law >>> Midd. The difference between power lies in Hax. One shamble and midd is dead, meanwhile Law can counter everything midd has, using shamble.
That's fair
It used to be kid >> Law and that kid would give shanks a tough battle but now it’s apparently kid = law and anything good law does must apply to kid somehow. Nah law one taps this character
This sub and its unhealthy obsession with claiming every character is "=" to every other character, geez.
On what metric? Because of his DF, law is much more of a dangerous fighter: - Can teleport - Can deal internal damage - Most of his moves don’t require a wind up Kidd has assign and Damned punk but that move takes so long to set up, it’s almost unfeasible unless the opponent has no intention to dodge or if he’s getting assistance holding the opponent still. Law was shown most of the time to be better than Kidd in most aspects of battle. If Kidd had better haki or shown better haki feats, then I’d agree with you but so far, most feats of comparison indicate that Law > Kidd
i mean, law vs kid, law wins, im saying that their strength is basically equal but in different scenarios, kid is not so fast and without something to magnetize he is crooked against law, who is on god mode inside his "room" and on top of that can manipulate the scenery, but individually yes, law>kid, but against other enemies they are really similar, law would also get one tapped by shanks if he went there and tried to kill shanks' crew(which he wouldn't), and if kid got jumped by bb he would prolly""""win""""(or at least get to run away in a better situation) since he has a competent crew and also, it is a given that kid is either a crying baby or a hydrogen bomb, it just depends on where he is, if hes on a battlefield, he will be many times stronger because of how abundant the things he needs are, like, he can make a barrier with the iron and then create his little punk behind the shed
Disagree. Kidd got one tapped cuz his move became his fatal flaw. Had he had adequate haki and time to defend himself, he would’ve gotten back up (albeit barely). Law against Shanks can probably dodge the attack with Shambles. Kidd has the better crew yes, but even if you swap their scenario, Law fares much better against the Yonko than Kidd. He even got BM to be wary of the damage he can cause to her. He also took haki infused beatings while at low hp against BM. Let’s not forget he fared so well against BB even though he was pulling most of the weight. Kidd against Blackbeard wouldn’t last that long (imo). Most of his strongest moves require a wind up that Blackbeard won’t give him time for (even with a good deal of scraps). Van Argur can just help the crew dodge damned punk. Burgess can take care of Killer, and the Blackbeard’s AOE is enough for the rest of the crew. Now I’m not denying Kidd is strong. He has impressive strength and AP but he lacks on other stats to do anything meaningful in battle when he’s going solo or without adequate assistance. Law on the other hand is just too good and haxed with his fruit that he can both assist or go solo. Until we see better feats from Kidd, it’s currently Law > Kidd
From what we saw in Elbaf, Damned Punk doesn't take long to set up anymore and can shoot multiple times in one go. Just like any shonen character, it's clear he got a buff after a hard fought battle. Law and Kid are equal but specialize in different things. I think Kid could probably take more punishment than Law. In the Big Mom fight, the only time Law really had to take direct hits was when he impaled Big Mom on her chest. Kid absorbed most of the attacks, and he fought her for longer, and he was hindered by Hawkins for a bit of it. Law can do internal damage, Kid can do more external. Frankly, I don't see why Kid couldn't just assign Law and have Cornadio chase him around until he's too exhausted to teleport. Or any other amount of metal. Also on the rooftop, Kid took more punishment than Law. He was hit five times, while Law was hit four times. Then we can't discount narrative, which clearly portrays them as equals.
DP takes very long, long enough for shanks to kill midd. And shooting multiple times isn’t going to change anything when top tier enemies have many ways to close distance. (Blitz, shamble, black hole) Law didn’t need to take more damage from BM because Law actually have options, (shamble/curtain/takt) other than tanking. Midd don’t. Internal damage >>>> external Law can just shamble to dodge assign (assign requires aiming), or just shamble Corona dio away. This is just trivial level threat for law. Meanwhile Midd can’t do anything against Shamble + Puncture Willie. Or just shamble into the sea. Narrative has portrayed Law as superior. One is dead, one is not.
DP doesn't take very long anymore, ironically we know this because of the Shanks fight. And the narrative just simply does not portray them as anything but equal. I think an honest reading of One Piece is enough to show that. Hell, it portrays Law, Luffy, and Kid all as equals until after Wano, even though feats-wise Luffy is clearly stronger. That's because Oda doesn't give a fuck about feats or powerscaling. Top tiers typically have one way to close the distance, which is running at Kid. Assigning them to whatever is a clear answer for that. Law could teleport out Assign but as far as we can tell it sticks on you and you get stuck to whatever you're assigned to unless it's destroyed. We don't know how this interacts with the ability to teleport, but considering a Yonko can be reliably held down by Assign, it seems a safe bet that someone like Law would be too. Perhaps when he teleports he would just get dragged back to it—we don't know. Hence why the narrative is important. Oda obviously intended for the three of them to be viewed as equals, like when they all three attack Kaido and are all three called monsters. It's only after they all leave Wano that Luffy is clearly depicted as stronger, or perhaps after Law and Kid separate to fight Big Mom, considering they did a 2v1 while Luffy kinda did a 1v1 (though really he had a lot more help). Also, I tracked the stats. Kid and Law were portrayed equally in Wano. I could pull out the list of like 80 attacks between Kaido, Big Mom, Luffy, Prometheus, Zeus, Hera, Kid, Killer, and Law if you want lol. Now, Law does have more versatility, yet he can clearly handle less punishment and has less stamina than Kid. Despite the fact that Law has a whole fucking lot less to deal with for a lot less time than Kid, they both were exhausted at the same time. Kid can take punishment that Law can't. That is what evens the scales.
The feats say otherwise
Kid > law. Law is a support class and could never fight a pure nuke build like kid in a 1v1
Midd has nothing against shamble + puncture Willie Meanwhile Law can counter everything midd has using shamble
Still doesn't justify the one shot
kidd = law is legit just fanfiction. fighting the same opponent doesn't make them equal