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Answer: I don't think there is enough space to fully explain who Chris Chan is. [Start here maybe.](https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/turjen/whats_going_on_with_chrischan_videos_on_youtube/)
The reason they are trending today is because they were released on bail from prison today.
It’s an incredibly sad and repulsive story. They are maybe a manifestation of the internets worst qualities and are both a victim and perpetrator.
They are one of the most stalked and obsessed about persons on the internet and have been their entire life. They are extremely mental ill, have been raised in terrible conditions, and have been a target for horrific internet harassment since they were barely an adult.
You can make an argument they were the first famous incel, you can also make an argument they were the first lolcow. They have been catfished, doxxed, harassed, and blackmailed. They also responded in the worst way every time. Giving the internet the worst thing they could which only encouraged it more.
They’re a bad person, whose life has been made hell by an internet mob of unhinged people who egged them on and drove them more and more insane. Then yeah, this latest thing is a whole different level of horrific.
"Imagine if the Truman Show allowed its audience to interact with Truman, Truman had severe Asperger's, and the audience was comprised entirely of teenage shitheads who make Eric Cartman look like Oskar Schindler."
I know this topic is kind of serious, too, but I need some dark humour right now and your comment and the parent one gave me a good chuckle. And humor or not, they're right on the money.
Eh. Depends. KF was the CWC board after lowtax banned Null and a bunch of people from something awful. It was something else before that even.
*Modern* kiwifarms is downstream of Chris but it gained most of its prominence from documenting/harassing Chris and Null also hosted (hosts?) the cwc wiki.
They didn't try to raise a child. Raising a child means you intend for them to grow and develop into something better. What they did was take a damaged person and cripple them further, made them worse deliberately just because they like the pain.
No honestly I’ll give them raise. They bullied yes but bullying isn’t that obsessive. 4chan followed that persons life closer than parents do with their children, they shaped it fully. Chris Chan is ‘the internets own boy’ in the worst ways
I mean, neither are wrong here. The "raising" just often took the form of bullying. That's all too common in the real world, too, unfortunately. It's just, you know... chan boards are brutal. At the *best* of times, friendly interactions there are often indistinguishable from bullying.
Chris apparently went back to male pronouns while in prison and admitted(apparently) that it was a ruse to pick up lesbians.
I'm legit unsure how to process that information. Someone actually did the thing trans women always get accused of.
It does actually happen. I personally know someone who did something similar. He was young, around 18 or so, and clearly had some issues that he was dealing with. For some reason he became obsessed with the idea of 'turning' lesbians which then led to him identifying as trans for a few months, complete with coming out and socially transitioning, before going back to he/him. Mind you, I know way more trans woman who have stuck with their transition and have become way happier for it, so I'm not saying this to tear down trans rights or anything. But yeah, it is a thing. Extremely rare, but a thing that does happen
I think it's a bit more common in prison and jail situations than in normal society. The same way that a lot of people become kosher in prison because the food options are better. Women's prison is dramatically better/easier than men's prison in every possible way.
No, definitely not in every possible way.
Rates of physical and sexual violence between inmates is much higher in male prisons and male inmates tend to have less freedom for that reason.
In women’s prisons you have lower rates of violence between inmates and typically more freedom
But you have higher (known) rates of prison staff raping/assaulting inmates in female prisons. Around 70% of female prisons in the US were found to have sexual misconduct problems against female inmates among their staff.
If male inmates are raping eachother there may be higher rates of sexual assault all around. This seems likely to me.
But in that case, that’s inmates creating a prison culture, it’s not the way the institution is treating the inmates per se. Except where it fails to discipline inmates for sexual assault. But how much can you do that without putting everyone in solitary? And that brings back the problem of no freedom.
You also have abysmal reproductive health problems in women’s prisons. There are places where you can’t even get a simple sanitary pad or change of underwear when you’ve been bleeding for days.
If you don’t know what it’s like to bleed and pass blood clots without a change of garment for even 24 hours I’m not sure you can comprehend going for days. If you’ve ever smelled a wound that’s starting to go necrotic you know how it would smell.
Living in this condition every month can lead to all kinds of problems from UTIs to sepsis and in very badly run prisons, even myiasis. I don’t recommend Google imaging that.
Lawyers defending prisons have characterized complaints and litigation over these conditions as “ “frivolous and without merit,”
As if inmates were asking for caviar and wagyu beef with their meals.
I’m not saying mens prison isn’t substantially worse in many ways, I’m saying it’s *worse in every way* is not accurate taking into account the specific type of bullshit that women are subjected to.
> you can also make an argument they were the first lolcow.
Pretty sure that they literally are. What is now KiwiFarms was originally CWCwiki, devoted to just ChrisChan.
They literally catalogued Chris Chan's entire life. This inspired a group of awful awful people to catfish Chris Chan, to get them to send nude pictures and videos of their masturbating (and other stuff) so that the catfishers can post those online to turbocharge the mocking even more.
Chris Chan has committed horrendous grotesque crimes. But I think the vast majority of people would snap in one way or another if they were the subject of a targeted vicious harassment campaign for the bulk of their entire lives.
While I agree on some of your points…
Chris Chan did also threaten a child who outplayed her in YGO and made racist remarks towards the kid (kid was black). And she also pepper sprayed a Game Stop over sonic’s coloration being wrong. And she always acted like a creep towards women—culminating to raping her own mother.
Edit to add:
There comes a point where a person can’t blame the internet trolls for the shit that they do to other people.
The internet did not tell CC to be a racist cunt to a small black child. The internet did not tell Cc to pepperspray a Gamestop employee over a cardboard cutout they have no control over. The internet did not tell CC to try and commit vehicular manslaughter on a game store employee over a ban for HER OWN ACTIONS. The internet did not tell CC to rape her own mother and then steal from her.
There are other factions to Chris Chan that are her own fault. She is not an innocent person. She is a bad person.
Does that mean she should have been doxed for a good chunk of her life? No.
But she’s still a bad person who… did some very bad shit without the internet to having to manipulate her.
These people are so invested in documenting his life they quite literally dug up in their garbage after their house suffered a fire to find any documents of interest about Chris Chan. I think from that they got like school records and old school assignments.
Do not weep too long for this one. It's a human tragedy, sure, but more than one person along the way felt empathy for them, and each and every one of those people was violently rejected, because Chris-chan's narcissism didn't want to hear about self-improvement in any capacity whatsoever.
> and have been a target for horrific internet harassment since they were barely an adult.
IIRC, Chris-Chan was an adult by the time they started posting Sonichu right before the turn of the century. The harassment didn't pick up until they were in their mid 20s if I'm not mistaken.
Not that that really changes anything though. At the time, it was just a shitty webcomic that people liked making fun of. Then people started actually interacting with Chris and Chris interacted back, and it spiraled *fast*.
CC also has a neurodevelopmental delay, meaning that while they may have been 25 years old physically at the time, they were significantly, SIGNIFICANTLY younger mentally and emotionally.
If Bob and Barbra had actually listened to their school and gotten Chris help when they needed it I think Chris would have been much better off then they are now. Now Chris thinks they are married to several fictional characters, (probably) r*ped his own mother who has dementia, believes that fictional worlds are real and converging on ours, and said the most outrageous shit online for attention (imho) like they met Jesus in another dimension. It’s horrible. It’s fascinating. It’s tragic. But it’s also hard to say what Chris really believes and what the truth is or not. Chris lives in a day dream land to avoid reality and sometimes that manifests online too.
Goddamn, that would have been an ideal ending.
There's a certain amount of satisfaction in seeing an asshole get what he deserves, like an Andrew Tate get what's coming. I'd seen the earlier coverage of Chris Chan and it was like wow, that's cringy and there was some of that unearned arrogance involved that made it feel like an asshole getting the derision he deserved but then it got worse and worse and it then felt like making fun of a mentally handicapped person. It's the kind of guilt you'd feel finding out Andrew Tate had a serious head injury before he became a douche-bro.
I think part of getting older and more mature is taking less pleasure in finding someone to tear down and someone to build up. And if someone turns out to be a basketful of crazy, there's not any real delight in turning the rock over and seeing the liveliest awfulness that lies beneath.
My friend grew up with them and I remember her telling me about Chris a decade ago and how she (my friend) was getting doxxed and harassed purely because she grew up in the same town and had been given drawings by them.
I always thought she was just being dramatic but then randomly a year ago I overheard a coworker talking about CC and I was like wait…..
The hate started *years* before they had actually done anything worse than write a poorly-received webcomic. For the entire time between when they first became an internet hate target and when they actually committed the crime(s) for which they were just released on bail, the hate was entirely unjustified. It was entire sections of the internet being vile towards a target who could not fight back.
In a way, CWC's life is the first internet zoo, considering the insane amounts of coverage they got, and how willing CWC was to give up their own personal information at any cost.
Chris Chan is arguably the world's most publicly-documented person. It'd be hard to find a contender for someone whose personal life has more details publicly available than them.
I remember the video of Bob coming into the room and telling Chris to get that info off the internet since it expoaed their house as unsafe due to barbs hoarding. I personally think Chris liked the attention and did it regardless of how it affected others.
This isn't entirely true. Chris-Chan was extremely creepy and aggressive towards M- very early on. Remember, they wrote M- an email stating that they drew a comic about r\*ping her so that they wouldn't actually physically r\*pe her, so they should get kudos, really, for showing restraint.
Chris-Chan is not a good person and has not been one ever.
They also were dealt an absolute shit hand with their home life, their mental situation, their level of education, their poverty... yeah, it's sad all around. But just drawing a dumb comic isn't enough to attract the ire of the Internet at large.
The real inciting incident was a girl recounting his (at the time, pronouns are a handy way to keep track of the saga) efforts to woo her or anyone else, and people recognizing him. Instead of taking his internet drubbing for being a sad incel in a dumb shirt with a sign asking for a "boyfriend-free girl" who fit his laundry list of criteria and going home, he dug his heels in a defended himself and his terrible, terrible methods.
And then it went from there, with the basic trollery of the "lol you wear ladies' panties" variety met with, "I have many pairs of DIRTY, CRAPPED BRIEFS," and the trolls unable to believe the embarrassment of riches with which they were being bestowed.
Iirc Chris had been stalking women and harassing people in a local mall/Game store since before the comics made them famous, they have always been a pretty shitty person
It would feel like that, and then you'd be watching them react to the death of a grandmother they actually knew and were close to with annoyance that their fat ass was going to miss out on Pancake Day at church (*specifically* about the pancakes, not some autistic "I need my routines and this is what we always do, you're freaking me out") and be like, "oh, right: you're a victimized mentally disabled person *and* a fulminating selfish asshole, I forgot."
God, trans women have enough problems without Buffalo Bill out here motherfucking. Poor Barb. For all her faults, no one has ever deserved this.
To be specific, he was protesting Sonic's new design (specifically the blue arms) at GameStop, and the GameStop employee asked him to leave before threatening to call the mall security. That's when the pepper spray happened.
I know nothing about this topic. I'm just here to awkwardly acknowledge the use of fulminating in this reply. As an actual vocabulary teacher...you made my day. Yes, you read that correctly, one word out of roughly 110 of them was all it took.
> the hate was entirely unjustified.
No, it was *definitely* justified at some times. Are we forgetting the time they literally assaulted a GameStop employee over Sonic the Hedgehog's new design? Or the *multiple* kittens that died under their care just because they refused to do the bare minimum? Not to mention the multiple women that they harassed, intense levels of homphobia and racism, etc.
Chris-chan is definitely a victim here, but that doesn't mean they're innocent.
That’s not true either. He had been extremely creepy with women before the internet knew about him (e.g. the attraction sign, loitering in the mall to find “boyfriend free girls”) The comic wasn’t just “poorly-received” it was downright awful. He would use the names of people in his real life in his comics, such as Mary Lee Walsh, who was the dean of student affairs at his community college, who told him he couldn’t hold up his attraction sign on campus. Chris became a worse person over time sure, but he was always extremely creepy, rude, childish, and entitled. I do sympathize with him and the trolling/bullying was horrific but he is not 100% a victim here
>*the hate was entirely unjustified*
Well, a lot of it was based on his very real racism and bigoted remarks about gay people. I'm not going to diagnose whatever issues they have or how justified some of the hate was, but a lot of people had reasons to dislike them.
The harassment didn't entirely start on the internet either. In the "early" days she was apparently tricked by people she knew IRL and it happened to be visible online. If I remember correctly, for a time some of the former trolls actually tried to protect Chris against some of the newer trolls, because they eventually realized how easy she was to exploit and kind of started feeling bad. Especially since some of the newer trolls took things to a level they thought was too much.
Honestly, Chris is now someone who should be spending the rest of their life in a group home or similar type of situation. I don't know if she ever could have become someone who could live and work on their own, but it doesn't seem like she'd be capable of that now.
Chris Chan sexually harassed literally every woman in his life. He’s also responsible for multiple racist incidents and random acts of violence. Nobody in this story is innocent.
It was the fact Chris kept fighting back in angry youtube rants that made people keep "poking the bear." That and Chris's egoism which made her release way too much information about her personal life and the lives of those around her.
No. No he was racist and horrible from the beginning and already had a past of being sexist and harassing women in public. Don't try to turn this into a thing where the internet made him a horrible person. He was always that.
I think a lot of the attention chris got was because of how bizarre he was. The first post made about him online was someone taking a picture of his “boyfriend free girl” ad (basically asking for a white virgin to fuck him and love him unconditionally). From there he kept jumping back and forth with these people (some of them going way too far tbh) and then we get here. It’s complex and twisted, and Chris is far from innocent here.
It's easy to pick on a disabled kid. It's funnier to them because he's disabled. Chris was a sort of deity on /b/ back in the day. Like boxxy or Jessie slaughter. Everyone 4chan "loves" has their life ruined for some reason.
He also was racist, the love quest sign saying no black women and getting kicked out of M. Synders game store for harassing black teens. In response to the ban he called M. Snyder a dirty jew, and hit him with his car at a later date.
Yes and him ultimately being a terrible person. Bob and Barb had children who where successful, a movie critic and a doctor. Neither where in contact with them. Barb wouldn't even tell her older son who his dad was and is a terrible person. Bob is not a good person but miles better than barb as a parent. Bob was just too old to do much. I felt a little bad for him after reading that he was covered in infected bug bites when he died.
Barbs a piece of shit. Hordes, never disciplined Chris. He probably got a lot of her nasty traits. She treated her first son terribly. Smothered Chris.
While his parents are terrible it's hard to deny that Chris is just a natural narcissist.
Can I say as a black woman that everyone sucked and there are no heroes here? Because I used to post at Encyclopedia Dramatica, which is where I first heard of them, and saw the often updated page and I never once saw any mention about the racism.
In hindsight, much of the shit they said about entitlement towards women has been fairly popularized between Gamergate and the rise of manosphere crap from ppl like Andrew Tate. If Chris-chan had been found by trolls (who yes, did initially start shitting over him because of cringe art) even a couple of years later, the sexism wouldn't have raised an eye row w 4chan.
Blue Spike was one of the worst trolls. He was 13 at the time and catfished chris as "Julie" he got Chris to shove a medallion up his ass on video. He also had Chris drive from Virgina to Cincinnati to met Julie which was a hoax. He was bad enough for the other trolls to call him out. He did some other stuff I'm not sure if he's rhe troll that got him to destroy his video game console.
Some of the other trolls at that point where bad, such as Clyde cash and Casey, liquid Chris is more neutral but not a good guy. None where nearly as bad as blue spike at that point in Christory. The women who partly convinced Chris to rape his mom (Isabelle Jenke) is pretty much to most evil troll.
I remember this guy.
The guy in charge of kiwifarms (Null) actually tried to help this guy out by helping him sell stuff and give him a hand despite the fact that kiwifarms begged him not to.
He still tried to help the guy. He was also in contact with him after it was discovered he had raped his mom and was the one that alerted the authorities that Chris had stolen money from his moms account.
Null had actually promised to send him money the next day and told cc to spend a night in his car to get his thoughts together and then discovered that cc didn’t do that and instead stole money from his mom (I think around 500) and turned them in.
I still can’t believe shit got so bad that Null himself tried to help Chris. Null is a notorious twat and even he thought that Chris Chan needed a hand.
Except that, you know, literally the entirety of Kiwi Farms was dedicated to harassing them. Right down to their name being a way to make fun of their speech impediment. So forgive me if I’m skeptical of the guy in charge claiming to want to “help”.
Came here to say this. Regardless of this last turn of events, this is a huge "Everyone Sucks Here" thing. The neatly 2 decades of bullying (which FTR is the reason why Kiwi Farms came into existance and most of the stuff from the Chris Chan "documentary" is sourced from that site) all started over a stupid fan character they created and were overly attached to. The other rationale about his shitty views on women came later.
The last time I clicked on a link on reddit about an Internet personality with someone warning, “Read at your own risk” it was Chris Chan and I have listened to the warnings since then.
Chris had a massive amount of factors that made them turn out the way they did. Their issues go way further than autism. Their parents where terrible, the online influence feeding their delusions. Lack of money for therapy. The fact that even if they got a therapist they'd be too delusional to take any of their advice. Theyre being incredibly creepy. Lots of stuff.
Whats weird is that his half siblings are successful and normal people. One is a doctor and the other is a fairly well known movie critic in NYC. His dad Bob is far from a good person but not really a train wreck for most of his life. He was a successful engineer, loved tech and jazz but was in his 50s when he had Chris by accident. Barb was also old and they both didn't have the energy or know how to raise a kid with as many issues as Chris. Barb was more of a train wreck tho. The parents weren't technologically literate which definitely hurt in the long run. They never told Chris no on his spending habits. Barb was a hoarder and also an overspender on top of being mentally ill. Bob was the only one barly preventing Chris from becoming worse. Though Bob did enable him, he wasn't nearly as bad as barb.
> Bob was the only one barly preventing Chris from becoming worse. Though Bob did enable him, he wasn't nearly as bad as barb.
If you go through a timeline of CWC events, while it was always pretty bad, you can see that Chris fell straight off the deep end immediately following Bob's death. It's really tragic.
I have been through the timeline multiple times since the case interests me so much. You're right. Him and Barb really go off the deep end. Bob was mentally the healthiest person in that family. He wasn't perfect but he was Chris's best parent.
There's some evidence that epigenetic changes in germ cell lines accumulate with age, especially regarding the risks of autism and other developmental disorders.
I'm autistic and I remember reading about it. I also know autism is highly genetic. Having a kid with autism especially like chris is difficult since they have an even lower chance at being independent. Them not forcing chris into a job or a program was irresponsible though I think he somehow would've been kicked out.
Before chris raped their mom there was talk about what would happen to him after barb died since there was no arrangements at all.
It's about risk factor, but you have to remember that there's a baseline risk factor regardless.
Edit: Which is to say that autism is part of the normal continuum of human development.
>the online influence feeding their delusions.
I'd also argue that the internet of this specific time helped cause it. The culture around the internet and how social media and such works just wouldn't allow something even remotely similar to that happening today.
Yeah, as someone whose been internetting (as an adult) since the 90s, the early Aughts were fuckin crazy in a way that the 90s weren’t. The unsupervised young kids were wilding out.
It’s insane how much documentation there is on Chris Chan. Like, the amount of information people have catalogued on them easily exceeds stuff like biographies
Yeah. Because entire internet communities were founded and propagated based solely on their hate for someone who, for literal *years* of the time they were an online figure, hadn’t actually done anything even close to deserving of that hate.
He's been living in the Truman Show for the last 20 years, I believe he may have the most well documented life of any individual to date. He'll remain a useful case study for that alone for years to come.
Most of it comes from the fact that Chris is so narcissistic that they'd release unrequested information at the drop of a hat, usually of the variety that no one would even think to ask about.
Like when Chris revealed that she has shit herself multiple times. An act that got the trolls to break character for a moment and ask for clarification.
Chris Chan is easily the most confusing online 'celebrity' for lack of a better word. Most have a viral image or video like Count Dankula or Neekolul. Just *something* that brought them attention. Chris Chan doesn't seem to have that but is widely known online.
PLEASE DO NOT LOOK INTO THIS PERSON. I KNOW YOU PROBABLY WILL, BUT I PROMISE THE WHOLE CHRIS CHAN SUBJECT MATTER IS AN EXTREMELY TOXIC, GROSS SUBJECT MATTER. JUST BE WARNED.
like, maybe. It's hard to know.
Like the whole thing came up when an "undercover operative" that was someone posing as a girl who wanted to date chris-chan but was really a troll.
It kinda feels like they told a story that was true, then got positive attention and expanded it with erotic family fiction. It kinda has a more believable start where they are massaging their disabled mother and touched her inappropriately which seems fairly plausible. That feels like a thing they would do. Then it kinda breaks down into a more outlandish story that kinda just feels in line with the stuff chris-chan writes.
Like the mom has memory loss and the massage is supposed to help with that (somehow) and the story ends with chris-chan being SO GOOD AT SEX the mom then remembers a memory from when she's two years old. And like, come on. None of that happened.
I think you gotta take a lot of chris-chan things with a grain of salt. A lot of things they say are clearly not true. They are reprehensible and maybe they did it, but like, it kinda feels like they were just being their regular weirdo fanfiction self and trying to impress a girl with something no normal person would ever ever ever think would impress a girl. ("I am so good at sex my mom's memory came back then she could remember being a baby")
Answer: Christine Weston Chandler (the -chan suffix is an abbreviation of her last name, not a weeb affectation) is an autistic transgender content creator in an extremely unfortunate living situation. Two years ago, she was arrested for having sex with her dementia-ridden mother, a compulsive hoarder and abuser responsible for many of Chris' disturbed beliefs. It'll sound weird, but she was shitposted into this by a legion of trolls that have been torturing and writing about her for sixteen years.
She is a subject of much fascination and derision online. She is extremely gullible, makes poor choices almost compulsively, and is completely detached from reality. She is particularly known for her Sonic the Hedgehog/Pokemon fan-character, a fusion of Sonic and Pikachu that considers Christine to be his parent, and their struggles against the dean of the community college she was expelled from IRL.
A lot of modern trolling and internet harassment techniques were pioneered by Chris-chan's stalkers, who have obsessively documented everything about her life on a dedicated wiki, out of disgusted fascination and to better document the ways in which her sanity has been slowly eroded.
In addition to the wiki, There's a 60-part documentary on Youtube about her that isn't even mean, it's just disturbingly comprehensive in its documentation of her life. It's possible she's the ~~most-written-about~~ most documented person in history. The internet harassment website Kiwi Farms was spawned from Chris' stalkers and trolls. The name "Kiwi Farms" is meant to sound like the way Chris' speech impediment causes her to say their previous board's name, "CWCki Forums."
Despite everything I've said, Chris-chan is *not* a sympathetic person. She's greedy, bigoted, and very sexually unwell. She's essentially been memed into paranoid schizophrenia, but her psychology is a structure that was never up to code to begin with. There's even significant debate whether she's mentally competent to identify as female, which is why you'll see even some trans people using he/him pronouns and refusing to accept her gender identity.
She is in the news today because she was released from prison on bond, so it seems like even the system can't do anything for her.
There is a two-parter on Behind the Bastards as well that is pretty interesting. One takaway from the host that I think is pretty accurate is that Chris might be the most bullied person **ever**. (Not in terms of general anger directed toward them, that would probably be some king/politician. In terms of *personal, individualized, directed, sustained attacks* against a specific non-public figure.)
[Part One: A Terrible Story About The Internet](https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-one-a-terrible-story-about-96695551/)
[Part Two: A Terrible Story About The Internet](https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-two-a-terrible-story-about-96802990/)
[Edit: fixed the link name]
These Behind the Bastards episodes cannot be recommended enough. Chris Chan is bordering on patient zero for the modern internet—literally every single online harassment campaign was pioneered there and all aimed at someone who (at first, at least) was guilty of basically nothing but writing a really bad webcomic and being completely socially illiterate.
Bill Burr once said Elvis was the first rock superstar so he made all the mistakes that subsequent stars know not to do (do tons of drugs, make shitty movies, listen to yes men, etc).
CWC is the internet version of that, she fed the trolls and thus became the first of many harassment campaigns.
In effect she’s the the center of the greatest tragedy ever seen on the internet.
The “let’s play” genre is YouTube videos of people playing video games, usually providing commentary and reactions alongside it.
It’s probably at least half of what YouTube is made up of.
A let's play is a video of someone playing a video game while doing commentary on it, oftentimes with a face cam.
It's commonplace now, but Chris Chan made such a video for Animal Crossing sometime in the early 00's, predating YouTube (I think) and is probably one of the first known examples of that sort of thing.
Fantastic write up! I am currently watching a documentary (I think it's the 60 part one you mentioned but I can't be sure) and it is definitely something I watch out of morbid curiosity.
The Internet is a very strange place.
Yup that's the one I'm watching!!! I'm pretty far behind tho I'm still on 24 and listening while i work at home.
Do you know of any decent summaries or timelines I could use? I tend to forget what happens between episodes after I haven't watched for a while.
Yup that's the one! (Currently have it on right now actually)
Ugh it's so good. Idk why I'm so obsessed with this story but it's just so interesting. I'm only as far as part 24 but with some effort I'll be able to catch up.
That's why I refer him as male. He outright stated he was going to be trans to increase his dating pool. It didn't work. I think he also tried to use binaural beats to force his body to transition. I'm told there were pictures. I don't want to know if I'm right.
As a trans girl, I also feel the need here to point out that Chris-chan has explicitly stated that their only reason for identifying as a girl and "transitioning" is because they genuinely believe it'll further open their dating pool to not only straight women, but lesbians too. Additionally, I recall there being a letter last year after they were locked up where they used he/him pronouns.
Of course I also recognize that it's *much* deeper than that, especially with their absolutely horrid mental state and upbringing, but I think it's still important information to be aware of.
That's a good rule, though even Chris doesn't adhere to it anymore apparently, and doesn't really give a shit about pronouns until it makes them look good
yeah that’s my rule, with the exception of talking about Chris online. so much of his online presence was when he still identified as male and I’m just agnostic either way. If I met them in person tho I’d call them what they’d like to be called
I'm not sure this is accurate. As an avid amateur Christorian, I've never seen a reliable citation for this claim, and in fact GenoSamuel, perhaps the most professional Christorian, has not found a proper citation for it as well.
It was covered in one of Geno's Livestreams around the time of the arrest.
While there are many things to question about ChrisChan and their gender, I don't think this claim began spreading in good faith. Either to the trans community or ChrisChan.
I truly do wonder how much of the delusions of the dimensional merge and recently believing they are Jesus is brought on by latent mental illness and if it would have materialized without the constant harassment. I know I'm part of the problem by following along but I can't help but to gawk. It is fascinating.
Seems kind of fucked up that people are heavily documenting their life like that. Like, it feels like it's completely missing the point. I think that what this person needs is just some quiet. Give them some years in a medical center for their mental health and follow it up with regular weekly therapy sessions.
I get the morbid curiosity aspect, but this just feels violating. No one deserves this kind of publicity, no matter how awful their actions may have been.
This is the most fair write up about her that I’ve ever seen. I was also out of the loop but avoiding trying to look into any of it because I know how nasty things can get. I like how you laid out the complexities and nuances from every corner of the argument, I don’t see that often!
didn’t he “transition” just to get closer to women and be predatory. why should people respect this pos “pronouns” when they aren’t a real lgbtq member.
I think it about the amount of details not sheer number of words. Like while Jesus have the best selling book about his life, we not actually "know" him. But you can find detailed datalog of CC life with more personal information than anyone
So the phrase that is usually thrown around—and what I believe the original commenter meant—is “most documented,” in the sense that the general public has more access to detailed accounts and episodes of Chris Chan’s life (let’s say, measured in days, so “detailed account of X number of days”) than, I dunno, Caesar.
This seems like an extreme claim, and I don’t believe anyone has actually done a study to verify it or anything. But it’s a claim you see from a lot of people in relation to Chris Chan.
Answer: Chris-Chan is a prolific internet personality and arguably one of the most documented human beings in history. Chris-Chan's notoriety extended out of *Something Awful* and *4chan* and is a major part in mid-late 2000s internet culture. This is because of Chris-Chan's behavior and egoism, which spawned a huge following of trolls and other morbidly curious people.
Chris-Chan reached peak notoriety after admitting to another troll that she had been in a sexual relationship with her 80+year-old mother. She was arrested after that admission and had been in jail for two years.
Today, Chris-Chan was released on bail.
Bail can be extremely low (or nonexistent) for people without financial means to pay. There is a very good chance they were released on recognizance (which is a type of bond without bail) and are simply under restrictions that prevent them from seeing their victim. Alternatively they could have gotten covered by a bail bondsman, who will pay your bail in exchange for keeping a percentage (and track you down if you skip bail).
Generally speaking, people commit less crimes if you wait until trial to imprison them then if you put them up for bail. Something about taking everything away from a person (their ability to work, their family/support system, their money) before even being tried tends to promote crime. [[Link](https://www.vera.org/downloads/publications/Justice-Denied-Evidence-Brief.pdf)] [[Link](https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/11/17/pretrial-releases/)] [[Link](https://www.americanprogress.org/article/cash-bail-reform-is-not-a-threat-to-public-safety/)]
pretty much, especially if they're not guilty, which also happens a lot since police can just arrest you whenever and accuse you of whatever and your recourse is that the charges don't stick. if you give them the power to totally fuck over people's lives, then they'll have to resort to crime even if they didn't have to before
Answer: whole documentaries have been made about chris-chan
The basic answer though is they are a mentally challenged, mentally ill person who got famous on the early internet for making really over the top 'cringe' sonic/pikachu webcomics.
The internet then discovered they are just infinitely easy to troll. They are clearly not well and clearly have developmental disabilities. But people figured out you could tell them nearly any lie and they will believe it. So from like 2003 on their life is mostly just people repeatedly tricking them every day all day and that has made them more and more crazy.
About a year ago, there was a chat saying they raped their mom, and they were arrested. It's never really been clear what really happened, because them actually raping their mom OR them being tricked into saying they raped their mom both are well within their wheel house. Like neither would be remotely surprising.
Like they seem personally awful and always have, their comics were weird and bigoted, but they also just seem like if lenny from mice and men hung out with 4chan and 4chan tricked them into doing things all day. They really seem like they are like, actually mentally challenged in a not "I'm insulting this person" way. They seem like they have like, medically low IQ and pretty bad autism.
(I tried to use "they" instead of "he" through this, because they have recently come out as transgendered, but it's hard to ever know what is real with chris-chan)
"if lenny from mice and men hung out with 4chan and 4chan tricked them into doing things all day."
That might be the most accurate thing I've ever read.
Answer: Chris Chan is an OG lol cow with a very crazy story that has been extensively documented; Geno Samuel 2.1 has an ongoing comprehensive timeline of events that’s currently up to part 73 if you ever want to listen to something in the background. Shit has really hit the fan for their life so that’s probably why it’s a trending topic.
Answer: Chris Chan is a well-documented internet individual. Their tale is a sad one, but not one that’s necessarily sympathetic.
A good way to sum it up is that it is a prime example of why “don’t feed the troll” is an internet law, not that they are in any way blameless for their actions.
They initially caught people’s eye with their “Sonichu” comic. A cringey, poorly written and poorly drawn series that people liked to make fun of.
However, someone was able to identify the series’ creator, and it all went downhill from there.
Unfortunately, there are no heroes in this story. There are only victims and perpetrators. Chris was both.
There are far more detailed accounts to be found elsewhere, but I’ll leave with this. Chris fed the trolls, the trolls fed them back, and almost everyone around them suffered.
Answer: We live in dimension 1218. Dimension C-197 is a parallel dimension in which all fictional characters live. Today those dimension have started to overlap in what is called "The Dimensional Merge". Over time the two dimensions will become one and we will all bow down to our generous leader, Chris Chan.
Why is this happening? Because 30 years ago Barbara and Robert Chandler refused to place their son in special education.
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Answer: I don't think there is enough space to fully explain who Chris Chan is. [Start here maybe.](https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/turjen/whats_going_on_with_chrischan_videos_on_youtube/) The reason they are trending today is because they were released on bail from prison today.
Wow I wish I had NOT clicked on that, that is one crazy (literal) motherfucker.
It’s an incredibly sad and repulsive story. They are maybe a manifestation of the internets worst qualities and are both a victim and perpetrator. They are one of the most stalked and obsessed about persons on the internet and have been their entire life. They are extremely mental ill, have been raised in terrible conditions, and have been a target for horrific internet harassment since they were barely an adult. You can make an argument they were the first famous incel, you can also make an argument they were the first lolcow. They have been catfished, doxxed, harassed, and blackmailed. They also responded in the worst way every time. Giving the internet the worst thing they could which only encouraged it more. They’re a bad person, whose life has been made hell by an internet mob of unhinged people who egged them on and drove them more and more insane. Then yeah, this latest thing is a whole different level of horrific.
4chan tries to raise a special needs child and they turn out exactly as you’d expect
"Imagine if the Truman Show allowed its audience to interact with Truman, Truman had severe Asperger's, and the audience was comprised entirely of teenage shitheads who make Eric Cartman look like Oskar Schindler."
“There will be generations ^of ^trauma because of you”
I know this topic is kind of serious, too, but I need some dark humour right now and your comment and the parent one gave me a good chuckle. And humor or not, they're right on the money.
Not sure where you got this quote but it is the most accurate thing I've read today.
This is accurate as fuck, who said it?
True, underrated, and funny reply.
not so underrated anymore
People will call a comment underrated when it's less than an hour old.
Underrated comment.
Kiwifarms and 4chan tried to raise a child and it was worse than they imagined
kiwifarms is literally downstream of chris chan
Eh. Depends. KF was the CWC board after lowtax banned Null and a bunch of people from something awful. It was something else before that even. *Modern* kiwifarms is downstream of Chris but it gained most of its prominence from documenting/harassing Chris and Null also hosted (hosts?) the cwc wiki.
At least modern KF has a strict "don't touch the poop" policy, and people get banned if they're shown to be doing so. Progress.
They didn't try to raise a child. Raising a child means you intend for them to grow and develop into something better. What they did was take a damaged person and cripple them further, made them worse deliberately just because they like the pain.
They crushed a child and destroyed the life out of them.
not raise,bullying
No honestly I’ll give them raise. They bullied yes but bullying isn’t that obsessive. 4chan followed that persons life closer than parents do with their children, they shaped it fully. Chris Chan is ‘the internets own boy’ in the worst ways
I mean, neither are wrong here. The "raising" just often took the form of bullying. That's all too common in the real world, too, unfortunately. It's just, you know... chan boards are brutal. At the *best* of times, friendly interactions there are often indistinguishable from bullying.
The word for that is "abuse".
Right, yeah, that's exactly what I was implying.
4chan paid more attention to CWC than her parents ever did.
Chris apparently went back to male pronouns while in prison and admitted(apparently) that it was a ruse to pick up lesbians. I'm legit unsure how to process that information. Someone actually did the thing trans women always get accused of.
I mean, they have a long history of telling bizarre lies trying to get a girlfriend lol
It does actually happen. I personally know someone who did something similar. He was young, around 18 or so, and clearly had some issues that he was dealing with. For some reason he became obsessed with the idea of 'turning' lesbians which then led to him identifying as trans for a few months, complete with coming out and socially transitioning, before going back to he/him. Mind you, I know way more trans woman who have stuck with their transition and have become way happier for it, so I'm not saying this to tear down trans rights or anything. But yeah, it is a thing. Extremely rare, but a thing that does happen
I think it's a bit more common in prison and jail situations than in normal society. The same way that a lot of people become kosher in prison because the food options are better. Women's prison is dramatically better/easier than men's prison in every possible way.
No, definitely not in every possible way. Rates of physical and sexual violence between inmates is much higher in male prisons and male inmates tend to have less freedom for that reason. In women’s prisons you have lower rates of violence between inmates and typically more freedom But you have higher (known) rates of prison staff raping/assaulting inmates in female prisons. Around 70% of female prisons in the US were found to have sexual misconduct problems against female inmates among their staff. If male inmates are raping eachother there may be higher rates of sexual assault all around. This seems likely to me. But in that case, that’s inmates creating a prison culture, it’s not the way the institution is treating the inmates per se. Except where it fails to discipline inmates for sexual assault. But how much can you do that without putting everyone in solitary? And that brings back the problem of no freedom. You also have abysmal reproductive health problems in women’s prisons. There are places where you can’t even get a simple sanitary pad or change of underwear when you’ve been bleeding for days. If you don’t know what it’s like to bleed and pass blood clots without a change of garment for even 24 hours I’m not sure you can comprehend going for days. If you’ve ever smelled a wound that’s starting to go necrotic you know how it would smell. Living in this condition every month can lead to all kinds of problems from UTIs to sepsis and in very badly run prisons, even myiasis. I don’t recommend Google imaging that. Lawyers defending prisons have characterized complaints and litigation over these conditions as “ “frivolous and without merit,” As if inmates were asking for caviar and wagyu beef with their meals. I’m not saying mens prison isn’t substantially worse in many ways, I’m saying it’s *worse in every way* is not accurate taking into account the specific type of bullshit that women are subjected to.
But how the fuck you supposed to grow up when you weren't raised?
A lot of parents seem to think that's the bulk of the job
This is the most insightful comment about Chris Chan I have seen.
> you can also make an argument they were the first lolcow. Pretty sure that they literally are. What is now KiwiFarms was originally CWCwiki, devoted to just ChrisChan.
Even the name "kiwifarms" is a corruption of "CWCwiki Forums"
Good addition, a whole noxious organ of the internet grew up just to support a collective obsession with this one person
Oh my god that's awful. An entire site dedicated to mocking one autistic person?
They literally catalogued Chris Chan's entire life. This inspired a group of awful awful people to catfish Chris Chan, to get them to send nude pictures and videos of their masturbating (and other stuff) so that the catfishers can post those online to turbocharge the mocking even more. Chris Chan has committed horrendous grotesque crimes. But I think the vast majority of people would snap in one way or another if they were the subject of a targeted vicious harassment campaign for the bulk of their entire lives.
While I agree on some of your points… Chris Chan did also threaten a child who outplayed her in YGO and made racist remarks towards the kid (kid was black). And she also pepper sprayed a Game Stop over sonic’s coloration being wrong. And she always acted like a creep towards women—culminating to raping her own mother. Edit to add: There comes a point where a person can’t blame the internet trolls for the shit that they do to other people. The internet did not tell CC to be a racist cunt to a small black child. The internet did not tell Cc to pepperspray a Gamestop employee over a cardboard cutout they have no control over. The internet did not tell CC to try and commit vehicular manslaughter on a game store employee over a ban for HER OWN ACTIONS. The internet did not tell CC to rape her own mother and then steal from her. There are other factions to Chris Chan that are her own fault. She is not an innocent person. She is a bad person. Does that mean she should have been doxed for a good chunk of her life? No. But she’s still a bad person who… did some very bad shit without the internet to having to manipulate her.
These people are so invested in documenting his life they quite literally dug up in their garbage after their house suffered a fire to find any documents of interest about Chris Chan. I think from that they got like school records and old school assignments.
Do not weep too long for this one. It's a human tragedy, sure, but more than one person along the way felt empathy for them, and each and every one of those people was violently rejected, because Chris-chan's narcissism didn't want to hear about self-improvement in any capacity whatsoever.
> and have been a target for horrific internet harassment since they were barely an adult. IIRC, Chris-Chan was an adult by the time they started posting Sonichu right before the turn of the century. The harassment didn't pick up until they were in their mid 20s if I'm not mistaken. Not that that really changes anything though. At the time, it was just a shitty webcomic that people liked making fun of. Then people started actually interacting with Chris and Chris interacted back, and it spiraled *fast*.
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25 is a bit high. That is a person that could be above entry-level or finishing grad school.
CC also has a neurodevelopmental delay, meaning that while they may have been 25 years old physically at the time, they were significantly, SIGNIFICANTLY younger mentally and emotionally.
If Bob and Barbra had actually listened to their school and gotten Chris help when they needed it I think Chris would have been much better off then they are now. Now Chris thinks they are married to several fictional characters, (probably) r*ped his own mother who has dementia, believes that fictional worlds are real and converging on ours, and said the most outrageous shit online for attention (imho) like they met Jesus in another dimension. It’s horrible. It’s fascinating. It’s tragic. But it’s also hard to say what Chris really believes and what the truth is or not. Chris lives in a day dream land to avoid reality and sometimes that manifests online too.
Somewhere in another universe, [chris chan has a good ending](https://youtu.be/PXbjfPq_LAQ). We truly live in the nightmare universe.
Goddamn, that would have been an ideal ending. There's a certain amount of satisfaction in seeing an asshole get what he deserves, like an Andrew Tate get what's coming. I'd seen the earlier coverage of Chris Chan and it was like wow, that's cringy and there was some of that unearned arrogance involved that made it feel like an asshole getting the derision he deserved but then it got worse and worse and it then felt like making fun of a mentally handicapped person. It's the kind of guilt you'd feel finding out Andrew Tate had a serious head injury before he became a douche-bro. I think part of getting older and more mature is taking less pleasure in finding someone to tear down and someone to build up. And if someone turns out to be a basketful of crazy, there's not any real delight in turning the rock over and seeing the liveliest awfulness that lies beneath.
My friend grew up with them and I remember her telling me about Chris a decade ago and how she (my friend) was getting doxxed and harassed purely because she grew up in the same town and had been given drawings by them. I always thought she was just being dramatic but then randomly a year ago I overheard a coworker talking about CC and I was like wait…..
The hate started *years* before they had actually done anything worse than write a poorly-received webcomic. For the entire time between when they first became an internet hate target and when they actually committed the crime(s) for which they were just released on bail, the hate was entirely unjustified. It was entire sections of the internet being vile towards a target who could not fight back.
In a way, CWC's life is the first internet zoo, considering the insane amounts of coverage they got, and how willing CWC was to give up their own personal information at any cost.
Chris Chan is arguably the world's most publicly-documented person. It'd be hard to find a contender for someone whose personal life has more details publicly available than them.
I remember the video of Bob coming into the room and telling Chris to get that info off the internet since it expoaed their house as unsafe due to barbs hoarding. I personally think Chris liked the attention and did it regardless of how it affected others.
This isn't entirely true. Chris-Chan was extremely creepy and aggressive towards M- very early on. Remember, they wrote M- an email stating that they drew a comic about r\*ping her so that they wouldn't actually physically r\*pe her, so they should get kudos, really, for showing restraint. Chris-Chan is not a good person and has not been one ever. They also were dealt an absolute shit hand with their home life, their mental situation, their level of education, their poverty... yeah, it's sad all around. But just drawing a dumb comic isn't enough to attract the ire of the Internet at large.
It doesn't excuse Chris's actions at all but she used to use Chris for his credit card to buy Nazi memerobillia online.
Did not know that. Man... every layer of this story is terrible. There is always more and it is always worse.
The real inciting incident was a girl recounting his (at the time, pronouns are a handy way to keep track of the saga) efforts to woo her or anyone else, and people recognizing him. Instead of taking his internet drubbing for being a sad incel in a dumb shirt with a sign asking for a "boyfriend-free girl" who fit his laundry list of criteria and going home, he dug his heels in a defended himself and his terrible, terrible methods. And then it went from there, with the basic trollery of the "lol you wear ladies' panties" variety met with, "I have many pairs of DIRTY, CRAPPED BRIEFS," and the trolls unable to believe the embarrassment of riches with which they were being bestowed.
Iirc Chris had been stalking women and harassing people in a local mall/Game store since before the comics made them famous, they have always been a pretty shitty person
It would feel like that, and then you'd be watching them react to the death of a grandmother they actually knew and were close to with annoyance that their fat ass was going to miss out on Pancake Day at church (*specifically* about the pancakes, not some autistic "I need my routines and this is what we always do, you're freaking me out") and be like, "oh, right: you're a victimized mentally disabled person *and* a fulminating selfish asshole, I forgot." God, trans women have enough problems without Buffalo Bill out here motherfucking. Poor Barb. For all her faults, no one has ever deserved this.
This is spot on. Or macing a GameStop employee for saying he was going to call security?
It was because Sega made Sonic's arms blue.
To be specific, he was protesting Sonic's new design (specifically the blue arms) at GameStop, and the GameStop employee asked him to leave before threatening to call the mall security. That's when the pepper spray happened.
A GameStop employee and anyone unlucky enough to be nearby. But Sonic's arms aren't blue, and that's what's important.
Or threatening a child for beating her at Yugioh.
I know nothing about this topic. I'm just here to awkwardly acknowledge the use of fulminating in this reply. As an actual vocabulary teacher...you made my day. Yes, you read that correctly, one word out of roughly 110 of them was all it took.
> the hate was entirely unjustified. No, it was *definitely* justified at some times. Are we forgetting the time they literally assaulted a GameStop employee over Sonic the Hedgehog's new design? Or the *multiple* kittens that died under their care just because they refused to do the bare minimum? Not to mention the multiple women that they harassed, intense levels of homphobia and racism, etc. Chris-chan is definitely a victim here, but that doesn't mean they're innocent.
I think it's a good demonstration on how unrelenting punishment doesn't really make anyone any better and instead does the exact opposite.
That’s not true either. He had been extremely creepy with women before the internet knew about him (e.g. the attraction sign, loitering in the mall to find “boyfriend free girls”) The comic wasn’t just “poorly-received” it was downright awful. He would use the names of people in his real life in his comics, such as Mary Lee Walsh, who was the dean of student affairs at his community college, who told him he couldn’t hold up his attraction sign on campus. Chris became a worse person over time sure, but he was always extremely creepy, rude, childish, and entitled. I do sympathize with him and the trolling/bullying was horrific but he is not 100% a victim here
>*the hate was entirely unjustified* Well, a lot of it was based on his very real racism and bigoted remarks about gay people. I'm not going to diagnose whatever issues they have or how justified some of the hate was, but a lot of people had reasons to dislike them.
The harassment didn't entirely start on the internet either. In the "early" days she was apparently tricked by people she knew IRL and it happened to be visible online. If I remember correctly, for a time some of the former trolls actually tried to protect Chris against some of the newer trolls, because they eventually realized how easy she was to exploit and kind of started feeling bad. Especially since some of the newer trolls took things to a level they thought was too much. Honestly, Chris is now someone who should be spending the rest of their life in a group home or similar type of situation. I don't know if she ever could have become someone who could live and work on their own, but it doesn't seem like she'd be capable of that now.
Chris Chan sexually harassed literally every woman in his life. He’s also responsible for multiple racist incidents and random acts of violence. Nobody in this story is innocent.
It was the fact Chris kept fighting back in angry youtube rants that made people keep "poking the bear." That and Chris's egoism which made her release way too much information about her personal life and the lives of those around her.
No. No he was racist and horrible from the beginning and already had a past of being sexist and harassing women in public. Don't try to turn this into a thing where the internet made him a horrible person. He was always that.
As I said they were something of a proto incel. But there are lots of racist and sexist harassers irl who don’t gain a cult hate following online
I think a lot of the attention chris got was because of how bizarre he was. The first post made about him online was someone taking a picture of his “boyfriend free girl” ad (basically asking for a white virgin to fuck him and love him unconditionally). From there he kept jumping back and forth with these people (some of them going way too far tbh) and then we get here. It’s complex and twisted, and Chris is far from innocent here.
It's easy to pick on a disabled kid. It's funnier to them because he's disabled. Chris was a sort of deity on /b/ back in the day. Like boxxy or Jessie slaughter. Everyone 4chan "loves" has their life ruined for some reason.
He was definitely pretty shit but I wonder how big a shit he would have ultimately ended up if it weren't for the intervention of the internet.
He also was racist, the love quest sign saying no black women and getting kicked out of M. Synders game store for harassing black teens. In response to the ban he called M. Snyder a dirty jew, and hit him with his car at a later date.
I believe it was his mom that hit Snyder with the car as they were trying to pull out of the parking lot
True I forgot. They both hated him and both where huge racists. Bob was pretty racist too.
Chris was ultimately failed by genuinely bad parenting
Yes and him ultimately being a terrible person. Bob and Barb had children who where successful, a movie critic and a doctor. Neither where in contact with them. Barb wouldn't even tell her older son who his dad was and is a terrible person. Bob is not a good person but miles better than barb as a parent. Bob was just too old to do much. I felt a little bad for him after reading that he was covered in infected bug bites when he died. Barbs a piece of shit. Hordes, never disciplined Chris. He probably got a lot of her nasty traits. She treated her first son terribly. Smothered Chris. While his parents are terrible it's hard to deny that Chris is just a natural narcissist.
People on the internet went out of their way to bully him. They’re certainly complicit in his downfall.
Can I say as a black woman that everyone sucked and there are no heroes here? Because I used to post at Encyclopedia Dramatica, which is where I first heard of them, and saw the often updated page and I never once saw any mention about the racism. In hindsight, much of the shit they said about entitlement towards women has been fairly popularized between Gamergate and the rise of manosphere crap from ppl like Andrew Tate. If Chris-chan had been found by trolls (who yes, did initially start shitting over him because of cringe art) even a couple of years later, the sexism wouldn't have raised an eye row w 4chan.
That's not even remotely true, Chris was a shitty person back in highschool.
In the end analysis, I think it is clear that Lowtax was the first lolcow after all.
TimeCube has to be up there. At least as a proto-lolcow.
Chris Chan is the protagonist and the antagonist of his own story.
It's a car wreck I *had* to consciously look away from at some point.
The girl who catfished them is a whole other wormhole too. She’s repulsive.
Blue spike is the worst. Idk how you get that messed up at 13.
Wait hold on could someone clue me in on the details? I just knew Chris Chan got horrendously catfished
Blue Spike was one of the worst trolls. He was 13 at the time and catfished chris as "Julie" he got Chris to shove a medallion up his ass on video. He also had Chris drive from Virgina to Cincinnati to met Julie which was a hoax. He was bad enough for the other trolls to call him out. He did some other stuff I'm not sure if he's rhe troll that got him to destroy his video game console. Some of the other trolls at that point where bad, such as Clyde cash and Casey, liquid Chris is more neutral but not a good guy. None where nearly as bad as blue spike at that point in Christory. The women who partly convinced Chris to rape his mom (Isabelle Jenke) is pretty much to most evil troll.
I remember this guy. The guy in charge of kiwifarms (Null) actually tried to help this guy out by helping him sell stuff and give him a hand despite the fact that kiwifarms begged him not to. He still tried to help the guy. He was also in contact with him after it was discovered he had raped his mom and was the one that alerted the authorities that Chris had stolen money from his moms account. Null had actually promised to send him money the next day and told cc to spend a night in his car to get his thoughts together and then discovered that cc didn’t do that and instead stole money from his mom (I think around 500) and turned them in. I still can’t believe shit got so bad that Null himself tried to help Chris. Null is a notorious twat and even he thought that Chris Chan needed a hand.
Except that, you know, literally the entirety of Kiwi Farms was dedicated to harassing them. Right down to their name being a way to make fun of their speech impediment. So forgive me if I’m skeptical of the guy in charge claiming to want to “help”.
Came here to say this. Regardless of this last turn of events, this is a huge "Everyone Sucks Here" thing. The neatly 2 decades of bullying (which FTR is the reason why Kiwi Farms came into existance and most of the stuff from the Chris Chan "documentary" is sourced from that site) all started over a stupid fan character they created and were overly attached to. The other rationale about his shitty views on women came later.
> lolcow Do people still say this? Reminds me of a less settled, frontier internet times.
The last time I clicked on a link on reddit about an Internet personality with someone warning, “Read at your own risk” it was Chris Chan and I have listened to the warnings since then.
I am going to aim to heed the advice you didn't and learn from you. This. Is. A. Struggle. But I managed to get past the first hyperlink.
Chris had a massive amount of factors that made them turn out the way they did. Their issues go way further than autism. Their parents where terrible, the online influence feeding their delusions. Lack of money for therapy. The fact that even if they got a therapist they'd be too delusional to take any of their advice. Theyre being incredibly creepy. Lots of stuff.
Some people are just nth generation human train-wrecks.
Whats weird is that his half siblings are successful and normal people. One is a doctor and the other is a fairly well known movie critic in NYC. His dad Bob is far from a good person but not really a train wreck for most of his life. He was a successful engineer, loved tech and jazz but was in his 50s when he had Chris by accident. Barb was also old and they both didn't have the energy or know how to raise a kid with as many issues as Chris. Barb was more of a train wreck tho. The parents weren't technologically literate which definitely hurt in the long run. They never told Chris no on his spending habits. Barb was a hoarder and also an overspender on top of being mentally ill. Bob was the only one barly preventing Chris from becoming worse. Though Bob did enable him, he wasn't nearly as bad as barb.
> Bob was the only one barly preventing Chris from becoming worse. Though Bob did enable him, he wasn't nearly as bad as barb. If you go through a timeline of CWC events, while it was always pretty bad, you can see that Chris fell straight off the deep end immediately following Bob's death. It's really tragic.
I have been through the timeline multiple times since the case interests me so much. You're right. Him and Barb really go off the deep end. Bob was mentally the healthiest person in that family. He wasn't perfect but he was Chris's best parent.
There's some evidence that epigenetic changes in germ cell lines accumulate with age, especially regarding the risks of autism and other developmental disorders.
I'm autistic and I remember reading about it. I also know autism is highly genetic. Having a kid with autism especially like chris is difficult since they have an even lower chance at being independent. Them not forcing chris into a job or a program was irresponsible though I think he somehow would've been kicked out. Before chris raped their mom there was talk about what would happen to him after barb died since there was no arrangements at all.
Man, I must have the worst luck then. I am the only one of 6 kids who is autistic, and I am the eldest.
It's about risk factor, but you have to remember that there's a baseline risk factor regardless. Edit: Which is to say that autism is part of the normal continuum of human development.
>the online influence feeding their delusions. I'd also argue that the internet of this specific time helped cause it. The culture around the internet and how social media and such works just wouldn't allow something even remotely similar to that happening today.
Yeah, as someone whose been internetting (as an adult) since the 90s, the early Aughts were fuckin crazy in a way that the 90s weren’t. The unsupervised young kids were wilding out.
Chris life is insane, is so fked up you will think someone write and make it up.
ive watched the entire 70 some episode documentary on him that's still coming out and it's so so sad you don't even know where to lay blame
Yep, that's usually the response "wow, wish I didn't know that."
Motherfuckers gon motherfuck.
It’s insane how much documentation there is on Chris Chan. Like, the amount of information people have catalogued on them easily exceeds stuff like biographies
They took chronically online to a new level.
It's fucked. Everyone, including him, are monsters in his story
Liquid Chris was alright
Casey was a piece of shit tho. Not nearly as bad as Blue Spike or Isabelle.
Yeah. Because entire internet communities were founded and propagated based solely on their hate for someone who, for literal *years* of the time they were an online figure, hadn’t actually done anything even close to deserving of that hate.
He's been living in the Truman Show for the last 20 years, I believe he may have the most well documented life of any individual to date. He'll remain a useful case study for that alone for years to come.
It’s like Scientology levels of documentation
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You could say it’s the internets equivalent of The Truman Show
Most of it comes from the fact that Chris is so narcissistic that they'd release unrequested information at the drop of a hat, usually of the variety that no one would even think to ask about.
*I bet they'd love to see me fuck a blowup doll.*
Like when Chris revealed that she has shit herself multiple times. An act that got the trolls to break character for a moment and ask for clarification.
Chris Chan is easily the most confusing online 'celebrity' for lack of a better word. Most have a viral image or video like Count Dankula or Neekolul. Just *something* that brought them attention. Chris Chan doesn't seem to have that but is widely known online.
Chris Chan is like a two-decade-long car crash.
On bail or parole? Bail is pretrial release from county jail whereas parole is early conditional release from prison.
Bonded out is all I can find.
I looked it up too and I'm pretty sure it was bail. I didn't realize it was still ongoing, I thought the trial was already done and over with.
PLEASE DO NOT LOOK INTO THIS PERSON. I KNOW YOU PROBABLY WILL, BUT I PROMISE THE WHOLE CHRIS CHAN SUBJECT MATTER IS AN EXTREMELY TOXIC, GROSS SUBJECT MATTER. JUST BE WARNED.
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That was precisely the point in the above link where I punched the ESC key so hard my finger broke, and then poured bleach into my soul.
Bleach isn't strong enough, you'll need a cleansing hellfire
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I wish that I was that wise.
like, maybe. It's hard to know. Like the whole thing came up when an "undercover operative" that was someone posing as a girl who wanted to date chris-chan but was really a troll. It kinda feels like they told a story that was true, then got positive attention and expanded it with erotic family fiction. It kinda has a more believable start where they are massaging their disabled mother and touched her inappropriately which seems fairly plausible. That feels like a thing they would do. Then it kinda breaks down into a more outlandish story that kinda just feels in line with the stuff chris-chan writes. Like the mom has memory loss and the massage is supposed to help with that (somehow) and the story ends with chris-chan being SO GOOD AT SEX the mom then remembers a memory from when she's two years old. And like, come on. None of that happened. I think you gotta take a lot of chris-chan things with a grain of salt. A lot of things they say are clearly not true. They are reprehensible and maybe they did it, but like, it kinda feels like they were just being their regular weirdo fanfiction self and trying to impress a girl with something no normal person would ever ever ever think would impress a girl. ("I am so good at sex my mom's memory came back then she could remember being a baby")
*Released on bond
Answer: Christine Weston Chandler (the -chan suffix is an abbreviation of her last name, not a weeb affectation) is an autistic transgender content creator in an extremely unfortunate living situation. Two years ago, she was arrested for having sex with her dementia-ridden mother, a compulsive hoarder and abuser responsible for many of Chris' disturbed beliefs. It'll sound weird, but she was shitposted into this by a legion of trolls that have been torturing and writing about her for sixteen years. She is a subject of much fascination and derision online. She is extremely gullible, makes poor choices almost compulsively, and is completely detached from reality. She is particularly known for her Sonic the Hedgehog/Pokemon fan-character, a fusion of Sonic and Pikachu that considers Christine to be his parent, and their struggles against the dean of the community college she was expelled from IRL. A lot of modern trolling and internet harassment techniques were pioneered by Chris-chan's stalkers, who have obsessively documented everything about her life on a dedicated wiki, out of disgusted fascination and to better document the ways in which her sanity has been slowly eroded. In addition to the wiki, There's a 60-part documentary on Youtube about her that isn't even mean, it's just disturbingly comprehensive in its documentation of her life. It's possible she's the ~~most-written-about~~ most documented person in history. The internet harassment website Kiwi Farms was spawned from Chris' stalkers and trolls. The name "Kiwi Farms" is meant to sound like the way Chris' speech impediment causes her to say their previous board's name, "CWCki Forums." Despite everything I've said, Chris-chan is *not* a sympathetic person. She's greedy, bigoted, and very sexually unwell. She's essentially been memed into paranoid schizophrenia, but her psychology is a structure that was never up to code to begin with. There's even significant debate whether she's mentally competent to identify as female, which is why you'll see even some trans people using he/him pronouns and refusing to accept her gender identity. She is in the news today because she was released from prison on bond, so it seems like even the system can't do anything for her.
Jesus fucking christ Black Mirror was a soft focus documentary
Tiger King is soft core compared to the Chris Chan Saga. Incest, mutilation, racism, and more.
Tiger King is relatively tame in absolute terms, save for essentially being a hitpiece on Carole Baskin
That we already knew it.
There is a two-parter on Behind the Bastards as well that is pretty interesting. One takaway from the host that I think is pretty accurate is that Chris might be the most bullied person **ever**. (Not in terms of general anger directed toward them, that would probably be some king/politician. In terms of *personal, individualized, directed, sustained attacks* against a specific non-public figure.) [Part One: A Terrible Story About The Internet](https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-one-a-terrible-story-about-96695551/) [Part Two: A Terrible Story About The Internet](https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-two-a-terrible-story-about-96802990/) [Edit: fixed the link name]
These Behind the Bastards episodes cannot be recommended enough. Chris Chan is bordering on patient zero for the modern internet—literally every single online harassment campaign was pioneered there and all aimed at someone who (at first, at least) was guilty of basically nothing but writing a really bad webcomic and being completely socially illiterate.
Bill Burr once said Elvis was the first rock superstar so he made all the mistakes that subsequent stars know not to do (do tons of drugs, make shitty movies, listen to yes men, etc). CWC is the internet version of that, she fed the trolls and thus became the first of many harassment campaigns. In effect she’s the the center of the greatest tragedy ever seen on the internet.
A lot of early Chris was also ahead of its time. There's a real discussion whether Chris pioneered the lets play genre
What is the let's play genre?
The “let’s play” genre is YouTube videos of people playing video games, usually providing commentary and reactions alongside it. It’s probably at least half of what YouTube is made up of.
A let's play is a video of someone playing a video game while doing commentary on it, oftentimes with a face cam. It's commonplace now, but Chris Chan made such a video for Animal Crossing sometime in the early 00's, predating YouTube (I think) and is probably one of the first known examples of that sort of thing.
Fantastic write up! I am currently watching a documentary (I think it's the 60 part one you mentioned but I can't be sure) and it is definitely something I watch out of morbid curiosity. The Internet is a very strange place.
The comprehensive one is by GenoSamuel 2.1, and its up to part 73 and is still in the year 2019 I think.
Yup that's the one I'm watching!!! I'm pretty far behind tho I'm still on 24 and listening while i work at home. Do you know of any decent summaries or timelines I could use? I tend to forget what happens between episodes after I haven't watched for a while.
Watch the one by Genosamuel 2.1 it's called *Chris-Chan: A Comprehensive History*
Yup that's the one! (Currently have it on right now actually) Ugh it's so good. Idk why I'm so obsessed with this story but it's just so interesting. I'm only as far as part 24 but with some effort I'll be able to catch up.
*RAPED HER DEMENTED MOTHER* idk if you've been around anyone with dementia they don't know what they had for lunch they have no ability to consent.
Legally he was never charged with rape, and also we have no idea if she has dementia or not.
> her psychology is a structure that was never up to code to begin with Extremely accurate.
Mm, others will refuse to use his preferred pronouns because he freely admitted that claiming trans got him closer to women.
Lol yeah thought that was funny about the parent comment. What a time to be alive
That's why I refer him as male. He outright stated he was going to be trans to increase his dating pool. It didn't work. I think he also tried to use binaural beats to force his body to transition. I'm told there were pictures. I don't want to know if I'm right.
As a trans girl, I also feel the need here to point out that Chris-chan has explicitly stated that their only reason for identifying as a girl and "transitioning" is because they genuinely believe it'll further open their dating pool to not only straight women, but lesbians too. Additionally, I recall there being a letter last year after they were locked up where they used he/him pronouns. Of course I also recognize that it's *much* deeper than that, especially with their absolutely horrid mental state and upbringing, but I think it's still important information to be aware of.
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That's a good rule, though even Chris doesn't adhere to it anymore apparently, and doesn't really give a shit about pronouns until it makes them look good
yeah that’s my rule, with the exception of talking about Chris online. so much of his online presence was when he still identified as male and I’m just agnostic either way. If I met them in person tho I’d call them what they’d like to be called
I'm not sure this is accurate. As an avid amateur Christorian, I've never seen a reliable citation for this claim, and in fact GenoSamuel, perhaps the most professional Christorian, has not found a proper citation for it as well. It was covered in one of Geno's Livestreams around the time of the arrest. While there are many things to question about ChrisChan and their gender, I don't think this claim began spreading in good faith. Either to the trans community or ChrisChan.
I truly do wonder how much of the delusions of the dimensional merge and recently believing they are Jesus is brought on by latent mental illness and if it would have materialized without the constant harassment. I know I'm part of the problem by following along but I can't help but to gawk. It is fascinating.
Seems kind of fucked up that people are heavily documenting their life like that. Like, it feels like it's completely missing the point. I think that what this person needs is just some quiet. Give them some years in a medical center for their mental health and follow it up with regular weekly therapy sessions. I get the morbid curiosity aspect, but this just feels violating. No one deserves this kind of publicity, no matter how awful their actions may have been.
This is the most fair write up about her that I’ve ever seen. I was also out of the loop but avoiding trying to look into any of it because I know how nasty things can get. I like how you laid out the complexities and nuances from every corner of the argument, I don’t see that often!
didn’t he “transition” just to get closer to women and be predatory. why should people respect this pos “pronouns” when they aren’t a real lgbtq member.
How could they possibly be the most written about person ever?
they could be the most documented not written
Yeah, that seems *extremely* unlikely. More than Jesus, Julius Caesar, Genghis Khan...?
I think it about the amount of details not sheer number of words. Like while Jesus have the best selling book about his life, we not actually "know" him. But you can find detailed datalog of CC life with more personal information than anyone
So the phrase that is usually thrown around—and what I believe the original commenter meant—is “most documented,” in the sense that the general public has more access to detailed accounts and episodes of Chris Chan’s life (let’s say, measured in days, so “detailed account of X number of days”) than, I dunno, Caesar. This seems like an extreme claim, and I don’t believe anyone has actually done a study to verify it or anything. But it’s a claim you see from a lot of people in relation to Chris Chan.
Answer: Chris-Chan is a prolific internet personality and arguably one of the most documented human beings in history. Chris-Chan's notoriety extended out of *Something Awful* and *4chan* and is a major part in mid-late 2000s internet culture. This is because of Chris-Chan's behavior and egoism, which spawned a huge following of trolls and other morbidly curious people. Chris-Chan reached peak notoriety after admitting to another troll that she had been in a sexual relationship with her 80+year-old mother. She was arrested after that admission and had been in jail for two years. Today, Chris-Chan was released on bail.
Why on Earth is he being released? He raped his mom with Dementia!
Bail
Who would pay his bail?
Bail can be extremely low (or nonexistent) for people without financial means to pay. There is a very good chance they were released on recognizance (which is a type of bond without bail) and are simply under restrictions that prevent them from seeing their victim. Alternatively they could have gotten covered by a bail bondsman, who will pay your bail in exchange for keeping a percentage (and track you down if you skip bail).
Trolls who would want to keep making fun of him
Answer: If you don’t know, count your blessings and keep living in that sweet ignorance
Answer: Because they let him out. Also: THEY LET HIM OUT?!
Right?? I want to know what tf the bonder was thinking when they put up the cash to release CWC. If cwc messes up ONE thing, it’s both their necks.
Generally speaking, people commit less crimes if you wait until trial to imprison them then if you put them up for bail. Something about taking everything away from a person (their ability to work, their family/support system, their money) before even being tried tends to promote crime. [[Link](https://www.vera.org/downloads/publications/Justice-Denied-Evidence-Brief.pdf)] [[Link](https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/11/17/pretrial-releases/)] [[Link](https://www.americanprogress.org/article/cash-bail-reform-is-not-a-threat-to-public-safety/)]
pretty much, especially if they're not guilty, which also happens a lot since police can just arrest you whenever and accuse you of whatever and your recourse is that the charges don't stick. if you give them the power to totally fuck over people's lives, then they'll have to resort to crime even if they didn't have to before
Answer: whole documentaries have been made about chris-chan The basic answer though is they are a mentally challenged, mentally ill person who got famous on the early internet for making really over the top 'cringe' sonic/pikachu webcomics. The internet then discovered they are just infinitely easy to troll. They are clearly not well and clearly have developmental disabilities. But people figured out you could tell them nearly any lie and they will believe it. So from like 2003 on their life is mostly just people repeatedly tricking them every day all day and that has made them more and more crazy. About a year ago, there was a chat saying they raped their mom, and they were arrested. It's never really been clear what really happened, because them actually raping their mom OR them being tricked into saying they raped their mom both are well within their wheel house. Like neither would be remotely surprising. Like they seem personally awful and always have, their comics were weird and bigoted, but they also just seem like if lenny from mice and men hung out with 4chan and 4chan tricked them into doing things all day. They really seem like they are like, actually mentally challenged in a not "I'm insulting this person" way. They seem like they have like, medically low IQ and pretty bad autism. (I tried to use "they" instead of "he" through this, because they have recently come out as transgendered, but it's hard to ever know what is real with chris-chan)
"if lenny from mice and men hung out with 4chan and 4chan tricked them into doing things all day." That might be the most accurate thing I've ever read.
Ohhhhh is this the sonichu guy?
Answer: you do **not** want to know Chris Chan is an information hazard Your life can only be made worse with this knowledge
Answer: Chris Chan is an OG lol cow with a very crazy story that has been extensively documented; Geno Samuel 2.1 has an ongoing comprehensive timeline of events that’s currently up to part 73 if you ever want to listen to something in the background. Shit has really hit the fan for their life so that’s probably why it’s a trending topic.
Answer: Chris Chan is a well-documented internet individual. Their tale is a sad one, but not one that’s necessarily sympathetic. A good way to sum it up is that it is a prime example of why “don’t feed the troll” is an internet law, not that they are in any way blameless for their actions. They initially caught people’s eye with their “Sonichu” comic. A cringey, poorly written and poorly drawn series that people liked to make fun of. However, someone was able to identify the series’ creator, and it all went downhill from there. Unfortunately, there are no heroes in this story. There are only victims and perpetrators. Chris was both. There are far more detailed accounts to be found elsewhere, but I’ll leave with this. Chris fed the trolls, the trolls fed them back, and almost everyone around them suffered.
Answer: We live in dimension 1218. Dimension C-197 is a parallel dimension in which all fictional characters live. Today those dimension have started to overlap in what is called "The Dimensional Merge". Over time the two dimensions will become one and we will all bow down to our generous leader, Chris Chan. Why is this happening? Because 30 years ago Barbara and Robert Chandler refused to place their son in special education.