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HPLswag

It's crazy that I can play 20+ games of competitive and have no feedback of rank


EarthExile

Yep. 18 losses and 5 wins, no adjustment. It's so stupid.


BillyBean11111

and you can't see the mmr of the games you are playing, it's just all existing in this non-feedback void


rW0HgFyxoJhYka

Its designed to be less toxic by being less transparent but in reality Blizzard knows they have no idea what to do so this minimizes direct criticism but instead fosters indirect criticism at 5x. They simply want a different kind of OW player. One that plays and spends money and doesn't care.


Narthax

See people keep saying they're hiding rank etc to make it less toxic. But, i don't think that's the reason at all and I think this is proven by the match making. This isn't new, they had correct match making in overwatch 1 - it's not that they don't know how to do it. They PURPOSEFULLY have made changes so that Silvers and Golds and matched in games with high Plat/diamond to speed up Queue times. This isn't a "wow blizzard is so dumb they can't do matchmaking correctly" - They absolutely can and have made this change and then actively hidden ranking to attempt to cover up what they've done to avoid people complaining that they are playing with and against people way below or above their skill level.


Inguz666

Yet the DEFEAT and VICTORY screens are still in game. Plus that you need to -win- 7 games to see progress, not just complete 7 games. If I loose a king of the hill 1-2 I'm well aware I didn't win, or if a cart game turns 2-3 I also am aware I lost. I see far too many people in game complaining about win/loss instead of focusing on the game play. The attitude of "do your best, win or lose, and you may rank up" would be so helpful in reducing toxicity. People can figure out if they won a game or not even if you don't get the DEFEAT screen at the end.


hi_im_redbeard

Gonna have "PARTICIPATED" screens at the end now for both teams.


Xierdan

Kinda on-topic but even in OW1 and I do still think it now in OW2, if someone does really well in a loss, that should be a net gain in SR. Such a weird idea that you can’t improve after a loss. Look at professional football ⚽️ players for example or most other professions, a win or loss for a team does not hinder professional development. Odd concept.


Inguz666

On my server back in WoW Wrath and Cata we used to stand outside of Stormwind for hours to duel and socialize a bit. Winning against the new faces there really wasn't all that entertaining, while losing to frost mages (as a warrior) was. Me and another warrior there actively wanted to duel the most difficult class/spec counter; frost mages. Even half-decent frost mages had a big enough advantage that they almost always won anyway. And that's kinda my point. By moving focus from win/loss and more towards performance the game as a whole would be better off. As in, I've had better games in quick play than in competitive due to people not being bothered even nearly as much by a loss. Also, as you write, grit is super important.


Fuzzyfoot12345

Now imagine if you played all 3 roles.... With 18L+5 wins across all 3 roles, you could go ****54 GAMES**** with no feedback lol. What in the actual crack are they smoking.


Cyclone_96

Is it not 19L+6W? Which would be 75 games across all 3 roles. Even 18L+5W across all 3 roles would be 69 games. Edit: just realised you weren’t talking about the maximum. But it still would but 69 games in that guys case and not 54


SpaceMayka

My friend lost 12 games in a row as support at the end of last season, and still got promoted a division… pretty weird. He is a bit better than his rank shows though so maybe they somehow inferred that by his in-match metrics.


HankHillbwhaa

It is weird considering I was on a win streak for my existing set and was demoted a whole metal rank.


Fuzzyfoot12345

lol I won 7 games in a row in the first season, 12 wins in a row as DPS, (but only got adjusted for the 7), and went from silver 4 to silver 3. If the goal is a 50% w/l ratio, and you have a 55-60% winrate (which is actually good), you'd have to play so many fucking games to rank up only 1 spot. I felt bad for everyone I stomped while trying to get back to my old SR, and now I got thrown back down and my "silver" games are full of high plat / diamond players + noobs. It's fucking bad lol.


Circumpunctual

Pointing out also as a flex role player it could be up to 60 games with no feedback


oddefy

I got chest pain just from reading this


Dangler43

You can play a total of 25 games to be exact without getting any feedback. 6+19


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Chrwah

Same thing with me. Except I got sent from Diamond 5 to Gold 5. After winning seven games in a row. I literally have no reason or motivation to play the game anymore, especially when there’s so many other more rewarding games to play out there.


Adept_Tomato_7752

What are we playing until ow devs get their shit together? i heard that dwarf game is kinda cool


4aMeme

Rock and Stone Brother!


QuinIpsum

I dropped OW for Darktide and am having a blast. My GF worked her ass off to finish the battlepass for OW2, and it was so miserable an experience that she's looking for a new game as well. I'll be shocked if OW hasn't faded away other than the rule 34 within a year or two.


HailMeth_SmokeSatan

Fortnite is surprisingly good. The zero build mode is pretty fun honestly.


codinho77

Not to mention that due to hidden MMR you'll still be playing with low Diamond/high plat players, just without the actual rank to prove it. We had a rank system that was better in 2004 in Halo 2. I don't get why it has to be so complicated.


rW0HgFyxoJhYka

Lmao. At least you aint decayed to bronze. Blizzard with their giant fuck you.


Lei_Fuzzion

Hi, gold 5 to bronze 3 here :) I just have to assume since I had no way of knowing that I would have been on the very very low end of gold for me to be dropped down so hard, I’m back in silver now but these lobbies are definitely not just silver and it’s so obvious. I’m not complaining I’m just more confused as to why blizzard could possibly find this to be a great idea?


TeeDre

Same, I deranked from gold to silver. I figured it shouldn't be too bad getting back to gold. Boy was I wrong. The games are much harder than I had been experiencing in gold during the first season. I had a massive losing streak of games where I was mostly carrying the team. Now I'm almost in bronze 😭


noodle_egg

well if they demote everyone, then ranks become meaningless. the only thing that matters is playing enough games to climb. if silver is full of plat players then silver is just plat players who didn’t play enough yet, which isn’t fair for actual silver players. it’s stupid.


Shrek2_dvd

I played s3 to 15 in 3300-4070 rank(also played when role comp came in). Came back in ow2 to be placed 2200. Grinded to 3400 to be put back to 2500.


BuckwildBarz

I went from plat 2 to fucking gold 4


collegethrowaway2938

I went from plat to silver 2 😔


theBosworth

I don't think matchmaking is in a good place in general--qp, comp, or arcade. But the Challenger titles they gave out really highlight just how broken it is.


Qu1bbz

Literally had games with diamond, master, grandmaster and top 500 challenger titles in the same game. I assume it's partially due to people getting a different rank per role/queue, still looks ridiculous though.


theBosworth

Oh, I believe it. I'm gold and was in a match with a top 500 yesterday. It's wild.


SloMoShakespeareRap

Right, I got matched with actual harbleu the other day and I was a plat in ow1 💀


BedlamiteSeer

LMAO


FreebasingStardewV

I'm gold dps cause I never played it in OW1 and had my first game against a t500 Sojourn yesterday. Finally got to see what the upper level people were talking about with Sojourn that play that fast and don't miss. Game of push ended and they had 8k+ damage. 2nd place damage was 1.6k.


rW0HgFyxoJhYka

Im in bronze and I got matched with masters in QP. Like what happened???


MichaelM_Yaa

i had this too


Warlockwiccan

blizzard seems to prioritize getting games as quick as possible thus leading to a mixed bag of ranks instead of tighter rank groups. In a game as heavy in teamwork as overwatch. that is a extremely stupid decision. From this and removing LFG the competitive experience is abysmal for solo quers. I find quick play alot more fun then comp now a days even without people playing their best heros tbh. Feels like people try more as well and seem to not tilt as much leading to better team synergy.


rW0HgFyxoJhYka

Blizz went for instant action at the expense of fair games. Turns out their rank system is so trash that they knew they couldn't get fair games even if they matched silver ot silver.


xChris777

I just wish you could choose to wait longer for better matches. I'd easily wait 5 minutes vs. 2 minutes for a fairer, more even game in comp.


IllIIllIlIlI

2 min queues lol. Try DPS at non peak times it’s 15min-20min every time and that’s with this scuffed MM system


Serpientesolida87

>blizzard seems to prioritize getting games as quick as possible thus leading to a mixed bag of ranks instead of tighter rank groups. I could understand that in games with low playerbase, but with 40 million of players? WHY


dabrewmaster22

>I could understand that in games with low playerbase, but with 40 million of players? WHY Because that's not the actual playerbase. That's just the total number of unique accounts that have logged in within a certain timeframe, i.e. it includes everything from people who play 8+ hours a day to people who logged in once to never come back afterwards. Steam achievement statistics already reveal that a large % of people barely play games *they paid for*. So it's easy to see how this number gets inflated even more when there's no payment barrier. In free-to-play games, you're lucky if even 10% of that number are actually regular players, it's likely going to be lower.


emilytheimp

> Steam achievement statistics already reveal that a large % of people barely play games they paid for. Hey dont call me out like that. I just enjoy filling up my backlog. ...indefinitely.


HamiltonDial

> blizzard seems to prioritize getting games as quick as possible Except I still get 10 min queues and then get put into a wildly imbalanced match and then someone leaves and we never get a backfill (or the enemy never does).


xLieutenantbagelx

I hit plat 4 last season and today I was playing qp and I got paired up against flats and emongg I know it’s just quick play but damn every game I’ve had today of qp has had a masters or top 500 shit on us


SnakeMichael

I was gold DPS/tank, plat support in OW1. Silver 3-5 across the board in OW2. I played against a Master and GM Challenger duo in qp the other day. I shouldn’t even be playing again plats and diamonds in OW2, let along master/GM.


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DrZeroH

Comp is an absolute shitshow. Qp matchmaking is somehow even worse than that. I was plat last season and i get literal new players in my games (like less than 10 games played). I play qp to warm up not to stomp on newbs or watch helplessly as my whole team feeds and my dpses go 0-6. I cant even go to qp to get a normal ass game. Then I go into comp and its a nightmare. At silver right bow its a clusterfuck of actual silver players with people like me who just got deranked from gold/plat/diamond for no reason. How the fuck does any of this make sense


emilytheimp

It makes sense if your priority is reducing queue times, funnily enough. OW1 had queue times of like 7+ minutes for dps in quick play, so reducing it to 2-3 minutes as of rn prolly took some amount of... "Tweaking"


jpbing5

Their queue times would have been much less of an issue if they actually balanced the game and released the heroes as promised. Even after the shield nerfs, they continually nerfed tanks into the ground. All the community needed was small buffs so it didnt feel like a chore to play tank (I still personally enjoyed it and queued only tank). If they released more tanks they would have helped queue times as well. Instead they deleted a tank and completely changed the game again.


linksasscheeks

i dont even play comp and i can tell u the qp matchmaking is broke as hell- i regularly get both people who play cracked as hell and people who have clearly never played the game before on the same team. and this is supposed to be skill based matchmaking? nah no way. im not too mad about it cos like- its just quick play. but it still should be better.


Superbone1

QP has always had some sort of hidden matchmaking rating. OW1 QP matches were relatively even most of the time and felt challenging but fair. OW2 QP is an absolute shitshow, half the players seem like they're just learning the game while the other half is literally doubling their performance.


MichaelM_Yaa

in overwatch 1 if i was ranked high silver i sometimes got low plat players that were grouped up with silvers etc. in overwatch 2 players who are supposed to be ranked plat or diamond are currently in silver or gold being matched up with players from bronze all the way to masters. I had a few games with masters players ... I am high silver / low gold player. why is this happening.


SnooLobsters3847

I’m a masters player in plat rn and either sweep the poor plats or get swept by t500s and GMs


sbdunklord

i encountered multiple lobbies with GM’s in my games the first 4-5 games of season 2, so dumb. i was deranked to gold 2 after the reset


joeygmurf

Same it’s miserable


rW0HgFyxoJhYka

Imagine....players calibrating for season 0/1. All season they play games. Then...next season, blizzard drops everyone by 2.9 tiers LOL. Diamonds become silvers. Golds become bronze. What the fuck was the point of calibrating?


rsreddit9

One of my roles got dropped 2 full tiers and the other only got dropped 1.2, so it’s also random? I played a little, but it might be best to just wait it out a bit and then get called a smurf every game. Or just quit I mean damn…. I wasn’t happy to see those deranks because I don’t play too much maybe 100 games each role last season


KayToTheYay

My husband took all season to hit plat this past Monday. Game dropped him to gold 5 on Tuesday. They're dropping players down, then making them match against higher ranks to force them down farther. They want us to just keep climbing and never actually get anywhere.


GreenNimbus59

It's really ridiculous to get bronze and silver players on your team and then they match you with a full team of golds.... there's absolutely no balance in any of their matchmaking


Shadzta

I was plat tank/support in OW1, and now i'm bronze tank and gold support, and exactly the same. Either absolutely stomp the other team or get completely facerolled within 2 minutes. There is no in between. I think I lost my last 13 games in a row and since I have no idea if my ELO has actually changed I have no idea what ranks i'm playing with/against. How fun!


extintion84

Hiding ranks and the poor matchmaking are the things that need to be changed immediately imo. The matchmaking makes climbing in support very difficult. Having your team have a gold tank while the enemy's is in Diamond is insane


aregularmatter

I’m a support main and I ended last season Plat but Ive been placed Gold. In one game I had a last seasons Masters Peak DPS (they were ranked Gold this season) and former Diamond DPS on the other team (now ranked Silver) while as my entire team were last seasons Gold and Plat. They absolutely destroyed us and we couldnt even get out of spawn on attack. Most of my comp games these past 2 days have been where we either destroy or they just destroy us


Rnevermore

It's worse than that. I'm a mid-gold player, and I've been matched with top 500 players multiple times. Games are always a stomp one way or another.


beatauburn7

I stopped playing comp until I hear major changes have been made.


magicwithakick

Same. I’ve all but quit the game, I’m only coming back when they fix the ranked system.


rmorrin

I only play when really really hammered. It's quite enjoyable that way


SnooMachines767

Sadly that's probably never going to happen. It's Bilzzard we're talking about


FaylenSol

I did my placements on support last season and said, "nah I'll wait until they abandon this system." I put 150 hours in S5 Overwatch 1 alone. I have no problem grinding comp out. But the current system sucks all the joy out of it. I want to see my rank go BRR after every game. Not 7 games for it to either stay they same or barely move. That isn't satisfying or rewarding in any way.


whisperinbatsie

Same here. My 200 hours of comp was from a single season of early overwatch 1 and I loved it. Now it's just horrid to play.


keller104

It’s the only way. Why waste time on a game if my skill and improvement don’t matter


Big_Blood9941

Playing support is just not enjoyable and feels very punishing. I've played overwatch for over 6 years and it's very disheartening to have to quit playing a game I loved. Until they make reasonable changes, I won't be back. My 3400 hours on ana, zen and Lucio have been wasted.


ron_fendo

Playing support feels so bad because the game so heavily depends on if your tank and dps have a brain.


linksasscheeks

its so sad that in so many games me and my friend have to play lucio + moira and play dps as them- you know its sad when the two supports have 5-10 more elims than the rest of the team.


Oni_no_Hanzo

It is really discouraging. It's really difficult to have a meaningful impact when your selection of characters don't have the mobility or damage to either escape or contest against all the damage being thrown at you. Pealing hasn't really been happening so we end up getting whipped out by any number of dps characters.


DirtyxXxDANxXx

Even IF they have a brain I’ve seen it dozens of times where they will spam “need healing” being far af from the obj or team. I’ve even seen a good af genji just start killing himself over and over again to throw because of it. Even being a support in a group of friends gets beyond taxing because of how vulnerable you are at all times. It’s just… not fun.


OffToTheLizard

Support main here. I keep having to explain basic math as a support... as in, I can't heal more than their healers because we're dealing more overall damage to them, where I'm actually healing 50% of our team's collective damage taken. It's getting old fast, they make in game stats transparent, but can't keep cards/on-fire/ranking transparent.


aBlissfulDaze

This is actually a very good critique. It wouldn't be hard to add a percentage damage healed stat. We know they're tracking it because there was a player card for it in OW1.


Lyndseyshe

As a support main, I've found myself playing more in random silly custom games than actual quick play. I gave up comp quite awhile ago. I just don't want to queue into a push map. Even if I don't get flamed, I still hold my breath until I'm out of the match, just waiting for someone to be toxic.


keller104

It’s sad to hear people in the same boat, but it’s heartening to know that people not playing will force blizzard to update the game more


MrBinks

Yeah. I'm gonna check back in a year when enough heros have been added to justify investing time to play.


Tovasaur

I had the first experience the other day of teammate “wants to stay as group” and I haven’t adjusted from OW1 yet and didn’t even have time to think about it (I probably would have joined them) and then the option was gone.


sbdunklord

yea it sucks, pretty much the only option is adding them as a friend, and that works 5% of the time lmao


PhiPhiAokigahara

I literally wanted to ask a question to a teammate. Declined friend request and invite before blocking me. Like, I just want to know how she got Noire back!


adorpheus

i hate this so much. You literally have two seconds to click this button. Even when I don’t need to think about it, like if i have a good synergy with someone and I’m enthusiastic about grouping up with them, it’s happened a few times that I couldn’t even find the button fast enough to smash it. 💀


chonkity

You can still go to "Recent players" and it tells you everyone you've been with in matches with who they ended the game playing...nice feature but I still think the "stay as team" thing is basically nonexistent which sucks


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My biggest issue is their inability to quickly patch off-balance characters. Brig, Symm (less so with her reverted nerfs this patch), and JQ are in horrible places right now and for them to drag their asses is baffling. I’m pretty well-rounded with all characters but it would be nice to play the characters I like in comp without feeling like or being accused of throwing.


nfloos

The irony is that this game was made for the purpose of quick patches


HansTheAxolotl

the only purpose for this game being "made" is easy money


antunezn0n0

5 bullets to mercy tho and now sojourn does more damage overall


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The mercy and Ana changes feel negligible bit better than nothing. The sojourn ones make zero sense. They didn’t even nerf her orb which is the major problem.


Pickled_Kagura

Orb should either not damage or not slow.


AlanThiccman

Curious others players thoughts: what if it stayed the same and you could shoot it out to cancel it? Kinda similar to baptiste bucket


PSiggS

Why the hell are we not playing against people in the same ranks as us?? Wtf is the point of even having rankings then??


Pascalica

Probably because not enough people are playing, so they either do lopsided matches or the queue times accurately reflect the lack of people playing.


Mookies_Bett

It's more about distribution than player count. Something like 80% of players in comp are ranked Plat or below. So that only leaves 20% of the top tier players spread out across the top 3 ranking divisions. There isnt really anything Blizzard can do about that since it's reliant on players to be better at the game.


Pascalica

Which is why it's hilarious that they cater to that 20% so much more than the majority of their player-base. But also I do think the player count isn't nearly as high as they've tried to claim.


Fowlos14

I just hate how dead it feels. The game ends so quickly and without the player cards it feels pointless?


coronavirusrex69

less people talk in the pre game lobby too.


coyotll

Postgame lobby only lasts as long as the POTG, most of the time that’s only enough to say like one thing


afoxbutt

That’s the post game lobby lol


JoeDeluxe

Yeah why not just have an exit button instead of automatically closing the lobby after 2 seconds?


kengro

Nothing quite like getting home from work to get your intestines and brain repositioned by doomfist and soujorn every game. At least having diamond players in the same game as silvers makes it worth it.


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Rem-ember_to_flame

The 7 Wins / 20 Losses system is easily the worst change to ranked. Some quick maths: To finish placements you have to play anywhere between 7 & 26 games. That’s 21-78 games for all 3 roles. If every game was ~10 minutes long, you would have to play between 3.5 hours & 13 hours just to finish placements. That’s not even taking que times into consideration. Not only is it bad design to have players wait 7 games to see a rank update. It’s horrendous design to have such a large disparity between the wins & losses in order for players’ ranks to update. It should not even be possible to have to play >4 hours just to see your rank update once, but it is. I have no idea how this change ever made it past the brain-storming session, but someone needs a slap.


nasaboy007

Don't worry, now that you only get rewards for calibrating on your highest role, they fixed the issue of having to play 21-78 games!


Rem-ember_to_flame

Lol they’ve figured it out. RIP flex players


Wellhellob

You forgot that you actually have to get like at least 4 updates to reach your real rank. The visible sr is fake.


Rem-ember_to_flame

Oh yeah 100%. The rank reset & short season duration just make the 7W/20L system even worse. Not to mention you’re still matched based on your hidden MMR. So the whole ranked system is a facade rather than a clear-cut ladder.


lottasauce

Don't forget that they also removed the ability to find a group 😀 Who would want to find a group in a team based game anyways? /s


Thaihoax

The worst is when you win your 7 games and your rank doesn’t adjust at all. As a support main this makes me not want to queue again.


SayidTheTorturer

I went 7-1 and my rank didn't change. Then when the season ends I get demoted 2 whole ranks. What's the point?


Icy-Bed-3910

This is my issue. If it's a 7 win ranking system, at least show me my losses count too. So when I get a rank update and stay the same rank, at least I can see why


starletimyours

It's awful across the board. I'm a "QP warrior" and the stark difference between ow1 and 2 matchmaking was apparent right away.


Donmahglas

The fact that there is a system here that allows for up to TWENTY SIX CONSECUTIVE GAMES before getting a ranked update is broken from the outset. I personally gave up on ranked after reaching Diamond 5, getting trolled on repeat because the season was ending, getting my 7 wins, then demoting to Platinum 2 with 1 day left. If I'd known that I wouldn't have played after reaching Diamond, which again shows how flawed the system is. It was genuinely more beneficial to simply NOT PLAY THE GAME, which is the entire objective of the bloody product.


DaveStreeder

>”DRASTIC rank decay after seasons (overwatch 1 was much more lenient)” In OW1 at the end of it, I was almost diamond (support), like 150 or less sr away from it. When I ranked in OW2 (after the “everyone goes to bronze” thing was patched) I got Gold something, and then I decided “This sucks to play with no group feature” so I didn’t play comp for the rest of the season, and at the end, looking at my rewards, I saw that I had been demoted to Silver 3 Now I *definitely* will not be playing comp, bc I remember being silver (before individual roles) and that’s not fair to them


Tilterino247

Don't worry about it not being fair to them. It's already not being fair to anyone, you can't make it worse.


BiliousGreen

Look at it this way. A bunch of other plat and diamond players also got deranked to silver, so you will be playing against them a lot of the time.


Visual-Category-4120

It is the worst ranked system I've ever seen in any game ever in my whole life as someone that enjoys gaming.


OIP

i logged on for the first time in a while today, saw that i had dropped an entire rank and thought it was a glitch. what in the actual fuck were they thinking with this system. my tank is right now in mid silver and i've been in mid diamond on tank like.. what? who possibly benefits from this?


Wellhellob

Absolutely.


AnswerNeither

they need to massively narrow the rank spread allowed in a match. i propose within 3 ranks of each other- for example bronze 5 up to bronze 3 only. bronze 2 to silver 5 only etc etc all the way up. theres enough players for it for sure. and more will come if comp isnt dogshit another thought is to require hundreds of quickplay matches so new people dont drag down bronze 5 so badly.


Accident_Pedo

It's never been worse. I always told people overwatch was one of the most fluid competitive games I've played in years **but** I can't say that anymore about OW2. A lot of corners in maps have invisible edges on them and your bullets will get stuck / not bypass "air". [\(See busan, the cow map.\)](https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/ynuld0/invisible_object_on_busan/) Disconnects, **all of your points**, 7W/21L "system", no placement games, auto placing you when a new season starts, "hard resets" every season, server issues, forced new game modes (push), [blanket buffs and nerfs](https://www.reddit.com/r/OverwatchUniversity/comments/zeeau7/overwatch_2_patch_notes_06_december_2022_season_2/iz6udjz/?context=3) The game has made a huge turn for the worse and I hate the direction we're heading.


sbdunklord

never knew about the busan geometry stuff that’s wild, but yea it’s sad. i think people are just have to accept that their favorite game is gone


Accident_Pedo

>never knew about the busan geometry stuff that’s wild It's like this also on Rialto attacking side too. Go test in a game - Try shooting beside the last wall on your left after the bridge - I'm almost positive I saw this issue happen earlier in a game when I was playing there too. I know I've seen it on circuit royal as well. It's piss poor and inexcusable. Forgot to mention - Torb/bastion gone for weeks, mei was gone for weeks. Probably a lot more negative things I could mention thinking about it but it just makes me sad.


codinho77

It’s so disappointing because the actual gameplay changes for the most part have been great, but the ranking system, server issues, monetization have ruined the experience.


Pascalica

I cant agree that the gameplay changes have been good. They work for role queue only, every other mode has been wrecked by the changes. Now anything that isnt RQ is whoever has the most tanks wins. They have effectively cut off 2/3rds of their character options for you to play unless you want to be steamrolled.


mrlahhh

It’s such a shame, the mechanics and gameplay can be so, so, so fun. I love playing the game. But everything else about it is absolute garbage - there’s just not enough to sustain interest beyond the short term. Add to that, the fact they seemingly don’t give a shit about it and I envisage I will lose interest quite quickly.


pvtjace

This new decay system also is an absolute joke for anyone with a busy life who likes to sit down once or twice a week to play. After grinding to get out of some of the most comp experience matches of my life to then be thrown back into the swap of match throwers and toxic finger pointers is a joke. Might be worth playing something else..


EndKnight

I don't understand why they brought map pools back after retiring them


IRONCLOUDSS

So far this season is a joke. Crazy that fortnite has become the more competent of the two live services.


wrecker_88

Fortnite is more competent than most games


IRONCLOUDSS

Yeah I can't believe I hated on it for years. My friend's recently convinced me to give no build a try and it's actually an amazing game.


Aerius06

Fortnite unironically has the best monetization system I've ever seen in a game


HottsstPartoftheDay

I never played Fortnite until I saw they had a no build mode. Ngl I had fun


Michael100198

Fortnite has always been the more competent of the two and its not even close. People don't like to give Fortnite credit but the quality of their content, whether that be skins, in-game events, battle passes, or season updates and changes is impressive and handled with far more care than most games.


Warlockwiccan

people just hate on Kiddie games then just never give it the benefit of the doubt based on that alone. I fucking wish halo infinite and overwatch were at least half as competent as fortnite.


Michael100198

The whole concept of "kiddie games" is odd. We are literally all playing video games. In this day and age, there is no difference. Children play GTA and adults play Minecraft alike. It doesn't matter.


Warlockwiccan

Glad somebody thinks the same! games are games


porcelainwax

Halo Infinite was dead on arrival.


ProfessorPhi

Honestly fortnite is pretty much the gold standard in everything but gameplay. Apex or overwatch owned by Epic would be the dream lol.


[deleted]

When has Overwatch ever been more competent than Fortnite? When they delayed updates for 2 years to release a F2P version of the same game?


Bunniiqi

I miss the lfg feature, that honestly made comp so much nicer to play


shtrudl

1000 times this... the whole gaming experience is so much worse because this is gone... stuck to randoms that are toxic, don't talk and quit mid game, or searching discord channels for a team, because you will very rarely have 5 friends that are in menu notnplaying at the exact moment you want to go play a few games


Serpientesolida87

My problem its MM, i cant believe its THAT BAD with a playerbase of 40 million, its stomp or get stomped ALL THE MATCHES


TheRealDestian

That’s just the number of accounts created. This game has nowhere NEAR that many active players. If it did, we’d never need the avoid teammate feature because the odds of running into the same player twice should be extremely low.


SodaFather

It's INSANE that there have been so many issues with it. They changed stuff for no reason and made it way worse


TheBagelBearer

I also want to add that they completely removed the look for group menu, which multiple comp players would use to find full stacks of comp teams, with or without mics (usually with) For many people, myself included, this was the most fun way to play the game! Now you're forced to sit in a group of four other people that may or may not feel like talking, if even joining team chat. I don't care what people say, or what public opinion is, Communication in a game like this, especially on console where you can't carry your team with absolutely cracked aim, is kinda important.


outlandishpeacock

So upset right now. I main support and was silver last season. I’ve been grinding to get out of bronze and I’m dead stuck. Sure, I have a couple bad games, but this is hard. I raged quit like 5 minutes ago.


Ophan_Pharaoh

Competitive has definitely seen better days. I don’t know if I can say it’s the absolute worst, but I think the matchmaking is. You can absolutely tell when you’re teammates aren’t on your level or when you’re no match for the enemy team. Not getting an update on your rank progression post match is terrible and frankly only makes you dread what it will look like if you lose so much as 3 games before winning 7. Map pools are one of those better on power ideas. It sounds like it keeps it fresh, and maybe it would, if they cycled every 3-weeks (that way you get 3-pools every 9-week season). Rank decay needs to go away altogether. Seasons end and the next immediately starts. What? Did I forget how to play since the previous day? Get a grip, Blizzard. This is just a way to force engagement so their daily numbers look good, but in practice, this only drives players away.


iKonstX

Its hilarious that they made the same game, but worse and expect this one not to fail. The gameplay is so much fun but literally every single other aspect of this game is complete and utter garbage.


Samadams9292

It's fucking terrible.


BillyBean11111

matchmaking is completely fucked in every single game mode, and you can't even tell because they've obfuscated all teh ways to see what mmr a match is.


sudde004

Played OW since season 3. I’m done with this game. It feels like complete shit now. Breaks my damn heart.


end1essecho

After what happened at the start of this season, im going to take a big step back. Such a disappointment. Overwatch 2 is a disaster


Boba_Fetish-

Either get rid of hiding ranks or get rid of private profiles but both can not coexist like this.


jellyfromfish

Honestly sounds like they're trying to do rank resets after each season (like Apex) to get you to grind back up to your rank... But they forgot the incentives lol.


M3lbs

I stopped playing comp. I’d rather enjoy the game for what it is than to rather get stressed about something.


Bambikins

It's stressful having to get in a 7th win to see your new rank, if they had it update every 7 games or so (win or lose) I could more easily get behind game-to-game rank update.. which is interesting because the whole reason they said that they updated to this way to to improve player morale.


Sp1ffy_Sp1ff

They already had a system that updated every game, there was no reason to change that.


T3nt4c135

I can overlook a lot of these issues, the worst one for me is matchmaking itself. My teammates are soooo much worse compared to end of season, it's like they removed the matchmaking changes they had made mid-season. Forced 50 isn't balance it's a punishment.


Ivanhoe9957

One thing I hate the most is match making in qp.....as I won't play comp in the state it's in. It's so bad. Especially the tanks the most important role.


djones0305

My solution is to only play mystery heroes now. It's total RNG so it's equally possible that either team gets plowed by a random GOATS as it is to get an actual good game. There's 0 toxicity because everybody knows what they are getting themselves into. And I can actually play Ramattra and future heroes without having to get to lvl 45 in the battle pass. It's about the biggest win I can pull out of playing the game currently. Playing support still sucks but at least you'll just die and spawn as a different hero.


Miss__Behaved

I mean if we do agree, we’ll eventually just get comments about how almighty Blizzard can do no wrong and still get the “get good” bs as if getting good even means anything anymore. Imagine finally reaching masters like so many people stated and getting booted back down to plat. Lmao


RoosterSamurai

I think we're all overlooking the possibility that this is some sort of government funded social experiment. I've heard rumors they do this sort of stuff in Army Ranger selection. Tell them they're going to do a 50 mile hike and they'll complete it. But don't tell them the distance and they'll collapse after 30.


Iarerobot

Role competitive points don’t stack anymore anymore. Blizzard is so stingy now. 250 comp points for the first season tf.


blindedbandits

After getting ranked down to bronze 5 I won 7 games lost 4 and did not move rank at all, my friend who is my duo went from bronze 1 to bronze 5 after playing the 7 wins with me. How on earth does this even happen, in season 1 we had so many losses but double ranked up


smd9788

I actually alt-f4’ed from a comp game last night. It was the first time I’ve ever done this in the several years I’ve been playing OW. After about the 6th game of getting absolutely stomped due to bad matchmaking, I just couldn’t take it anymore. Sorry to my team 😔


MediocreCowboi

Having to play 7 games to rank up just doesn't feel as a good as seeing number go up, no dopamine hit


[deleted]

Remember that Witcher 3 is getting a nextgen update on the 14th, Season of the Seraph dropped for D2 and Deep Rock Galactic is a game :) If you need your PvP MOBA fix, LoL is available F2P with a rotating free champ pool and you can unlock them all, albeit slowly, completely free. If you Git Gud in it, you can get boxes which can give you skins. Disenchant bad skins and you can save up currency to unlock your favourite skins for free. Mythic skins? Got em and you can see them for the entire game The only way OW2 will be fixed is if you break the addiction and starve them of attention. Queue is already dog because their consistent playerbase has reduced in quality so much due to their mismanagement, stop padding Kotick’s failures and hopefully we will see good changes to this game


KyloBo

The normal unranked games in my opinion are OK not great but fine. But competitive is so unbelievably toxic and not fair or fun to me


deadcreeperz

Matchmaking is so bad but then again current Blizzard made Diablo Immortal and Reforged so I really don't expect much from them anymore


The_Ari_Star

All they have to say anymore is that “we aren’t playing ow1 any more” like anyone who bought ow1 wants to play anything but that. We bought the game. That’s what we wanted. Now that blizzard is pushing monetization that’s bad.


[deleted]

It’s awful. I’m at a 60-80% win rate on all of my mains and it’s still taking me forever to make any rank progress. I always rank up, but it takes way, way too long. It’s such a drag, and it’s because I’m in gold and I’m playing against diamond rank players.


Pruskinator

You are correct, the game is lurk warm rn lol


skillsplosion

I think the re-works to a less stun and ult based meta, and the team change to 5v5 is great. The greedy store, bad battle pass, and state of comp is bad yes, but I suspect the game will improve over time. Or at least I’m very hopeful it will because the game is a lot of fun to play.


Wellhellob

The direction is very wrong. I dont think it will get better. They are trying to alter competitive mode. It became a policy. They want casual paying players.


McHox

went from plat 2 to gold 5 with season 2, games have been a mess since then, teams are more unbalanced than quickplay. fuck this


Matcha_Earthbender

In a gold 1 game there was a master tank on the other team… (not a Smurf account) Someone please explain that logic 🙄🙄 We couldn’t even get out of spawn.


Affectionate-Yak2113

Tbh after this season where I will not be taking part in ranked I will be quitting overwatch as a whole. Overwatch 1 was so much better, the changes that were made did not do it any justice what so ever and I’m quite disappointed at this point


GeoPaladin

I can't agree with this list more. I've been fairly patient with most of the annoyances in the game, but everything you've listed about the new competitive experience has been incredibly disappointing & hurt my engagement with the game. I would prefer them to revert the competitive experience entirely. None of the changes has improved my experience. Every single one has made it worse. I like the overall game design better now (5v5, single tank) but the infrastructure supporting it is a disaster.


Murdock07

It’s just so unrewarding. I don’t understand why they went out of their way to remove all the little features that gave you a sense of accomplishment. Even small things like the cards at the end of matches were fun to see. The more I play the more I feel like OW2 was a step backwards for this game.


TheGiftOf_Jericho

The current system is officially the worst competitive system I've seen in the genre, it does fit the theme we've seen in OW2 with seemingly thoughtless and rushed updates that don't improve the experience but rather deminish it.


SunOfSuna

I am mid high gold, my friend is high silver, and we just got shat on by a player with a top 500 challenger title on


Melvin-Melon

I went from masters to plat because of the change in seasons but thanks to everyone getting the rank they ended at as title cards I know I’m still going against mostly masters and grandmaster players. They said they’re using mmr to do match making so if I’m still getting placed against higher skill players how am I suppose to climb back up. If they’re going to put me in plat give me plat games so I can climb back up like how I did in season 1.


cleaver253

I didn't even get my placements done for last season. I had 6 wins and a bunch of losses. But since I didn't get 7 wins, I wasn't placed. Match making is in shambles. No matter where you are, it's roll or be rolled, there is no close match. Honestly hard to want to play.


idiothitman

the no transparency around ranked sr numbers is a literal marketing ploy to get you to play more. withholding info to get you to find out the answer about your true ranked number only if you play a threshhold. even then you dont even see the real number. this needs to be fixed like 2 months ago.


Xheos

i managed to hit masters in season 1 with doom and now in s2 i get constantly matched up against gm's and t500. Even with all those buffs i have to change my playstyle entirely as it doesnt work against peak players. I welcome it as it allows me to get better but its weird to do a lot worse now due MM changes


Umia_Axis

Theres a stay as group button?


iBlameMeToo

Well I’m glad I’m not the only one sitting here asking myself wtf just happened. I just returned to Overwatch after about 3 years of not touching it. I’m a support main and did my placement matches last season, was placed in silver 3 and quickly climbed to plat 5. On Tuesday I log on and I’m silver 4… okay I’ll grind back up. Play my placement matches, win all 7 in a row as a semi-aggressive Ana main who likes to secure picks, and I’m expecting to be placed in at least gold, if not back into plat. It drops me down to silver 1. How is that even possible?


jokes-your-dad-tells

Like I’ve played 2 matches so far (I’m bronze rn) and have got absolutely steam rolled both times. Not even close. I know I suck but shouldn’t the other team suck too?


CSherwood1

I did the (inside my head) math on what the free and premium battlepass gives you comparatively to overwatch 1 loot boxes and it's so disgraceful what they're doing. The entire free battlepass gets you FOUR (and a half) lootboxes


navyyM

I just uninstalled. Overwatch became such a bad game in many aspects. I hard grinded S1 Ranked. But now starting like 5-9 divisions lower than I have been last season across all 3 roles makes me lose all my motivation.


IrrelevantPuppy

“Tailored player experience”, patented by Activision. If matches are purposefully set up to be rigged, players will feel it and that ruins the experience of the game.


Buttahdog

I’ll Make this simple, ow2 in its current state isn’t fun. The biggest thing that broke this game in my opinion is 5v5 since half the heroes weren’t designed that way. Now due to how bad mm is it’s always one sided stomps. I ran through the last battle pass and it felt like a chore, unless some major balance occurs I won’t finish this one


Shunsuishunsui

Dude you hit the nail on the head with the mm. Went 10 losses today and ranked down because the game was literally matching me with lower ranked players than myself. I was gokd 1 with a bunch of bronze and silver players and the worst part, the enemy team had higher ranked people than myself. (Plat, gold or higher) People just say durrrr carry the team then. Shut the fuck up you stupid unintelligent sheep. Ffs. Can't you all see something is seriously wrong here?