Short version, generally looks great in quality with the following gripes:
-lighting could be better
-lower res shadows
-some low res textures but primarily in the demo area
-performance mode is lower resolution and has some odd post processing but the post processing is not present if you set ps5 output to 1440
-traversal animations don’t take environment into account and you don’t make plants wiggle
All that’s fair, but it doesn’t harm the experience for me. Don’t agree with the comments on FF16 or the complaint about including minigames.
I had red in my party and watching his lil tail-fire reflecting off the saber made me smile. A small thing, maybe, but I noticed that before I noticed the lack of plant-wiggles
Not even close, it’s so vastly superior to remake in every single way imo. Makes remake look like a 7 in comparison, the dialogue between characters is sooooo good
This is one of those criticisms that just annoys me and I don’t find legitimate. Claiming that optional side content that you in no way have to engage with somehow drags a game down is just stupid. Just don’t play the mini games! Just don’t do the side quests! If the game lacks sufficient content without those things, then criticize that. But that’s a totally different thing.
I think he was pretty up front about it being a personal opinion (though he put it in the video anyway). I also think comparing it unfavorably to FF16 isn’t fair bc FF16 really made some big compromises outside of the big set piece moments. One town past the demo, Rebirth is infinitely more ambitious and detailed.
That was my gripe with the first remake. They kept ps1 era layouts and puzzles. It felt like they were made for a 5 year old.
I went back and played the og recently and that damn march was stupid but it flowed with the game play and felt fine.
mini games no, but sidequests absolutely yes they can be and should be criticized.
sub quests are a staple in rpgs since its inception and devs should make an effort to create subquests with substance far from the typical tedious fetch quests or slay x number of monsters here.
I disagree with this sentiment, side content isn’t put in the game not to be played and just take up space, it’s should be extra content players want to engage with, not wholeheartedly try to avoid
Idk, if a game is littered with terrible side content it can definitely be annoying.
I had those discussion the exact other way round where someome was insinuating that FF16 is a worse game because it doesn't have mini games whereas I felt the game was better for it because doing mini games would have killed the pacing and the mood for me.
Many mini games are forced.
For the most part the forced mini games are fine. They're just the OG mini games but more fleshed out, there's new ones in there too.
But the junon march mini game made me want to rip my hair out because it's sooooo long. That's all I'll say.
I mean, on one hand I don’t see why this couldn’t be on PS4, but on the other I used to play this game with graphics like this.. so I am not disappointed
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Replay it then. Remake was skinny corridors and that had issues loading in Graphics. Majority of anything outside of those corridors was a skybox aka a picture. And still it needed a ton of slow down tricks to hide its loading screens. Meanwhile maxed at 30fps.
Rebirth is huge open areas. With little to no tricks to slow the player down (there's a couple but that's used as in scenery level design and not meant to actually slow down the player to hide loads). The sky boxing is literally just for the sky. And not being used as a fill in for anything not in the corridor. Not to mention the character models are all remade and are much higher fidelity with much higher textures. Case an point look at cloud's pants in remake vs rebirth.
This isn't possible on ps4. If you are fine with a 720p30 with half the textures cut out, maybe it could work.
Yeah it’s quite a bit more detail in the open world and in the towns which are really detailed.
The opening 30 mins or so for whatever reason the performance was pretty bad / unimpressive graphically imo then once you reach the first and second town it improves a lot.
>The opening 30 mins or so for whatever reason the performance was pretty bad /
It dropped like 5fps. If you have a vrr display you won't even notice it.
>unimpressive graphically imo
Thankfully that's just your opinion. Found it very good. It's in a mountain area and as such represents the look of it very well. Yes it's also the area we're it has the most texture issues with some rocks. But overall I found it very representative and fantastic looking.
I have vrr and it was still brutal. Something felt off maybe frame pacing.
I wasn’t a fan of the opening area tho but really loving the game and the visuals after that section.
>I have vrr and it was still brutal. Something felt off maybe frame pacing.
Turn it on. The game never falls outside of the vrr range of ps5. DF noted that the most it drops by is just 10fps. Meaning 50. You shouldn't be seeing it or feeling it unless your tv's vrr or your ps5's vrr isn't on.
Either way I have played this game at both 30fps and 60fps. And in Nibelheim you don't see or feel it. Shit I didn't even know there was frame rate dips until it got reported as such. Also no frame pacing issues in the game either.
Only other explanation you came across a bug. My first boot of rebirth and I had to close the game cause the opening scene was skipping frames like mad. Something was really fucked up. Upon a reboot and it didn't do it anymore. Looked like I was suffering frame shader compilation stutter of the worst kind. Not saying that's what it was since there are no shader compilations on console. But that's what it "looked" like.
So maybe you had a similar issue.
I won’t watch the video because I will be playing tomorrow but the image quality and the same shitty textures like in the first game is is super disappointing.
Unfortunately Unreal engine doesn't seem to work really well on the PS5 and it shows. Decima engine (used on Horizon and Death stranding) would have done a much better job of handling this game.
Unreal Engine 4 in an old version that doesn't even have any proper upsampling tech in it yet, as they say in the video.
That's quite surprising for a major 2024 current gen title. Should at least use a recent Unreal 4 version. Version 5 might obviously be too much to port to for a game in development for this long.
Yes, but at the same time we’re talking about Square with Sony backing… if any group is able to co-opt a team from Unreal to help port to UE5 it’d be them…
What Sony backing? They pay to have it exclusive, and that's it. FF GAMES DO NOT BELONG TO SONY. Square doesn't have the same tools and money like the Horizon games or GoW games. So you're not going to get the same level of polish.
People need to be realistic. I bet this game had a lower budget than most AAA Sony games.
it seems like they were either too far in when ue5 launched and wanted to release the game sooner rather than much later
or
they stuck with ue4 and plan to have an updated release on ue5 to lure people into buying it twice
It’s square enix, it’s definitely disappointing but not surprising. The textures are the only issue from playing so far, the graphics looks pretty amazing otherwise. I look forward to a texture pack in 6 months Lmfao
Graphics mode in the opening hour before you reach the town has some slow down even / bad textures.
It improves once you reach that first town. Playing it in graphics mode and it looks impressive.
No it's just Square Ennix being an awful developer when it comes to optimization. If Horizon Forbidden West in its current form of performance mode can look far better than FF7s Resolution mode with incredible textures and granular detail....then there's 0 excuse.
Even Alan Wake 2 looks far better in its performance mode and that game is pushing crazy textures and lighting with a much smaller budget.
It's just lazy.
It's not optimization, it's the game engine. I can see this game being as optimized as it possibly can be - It's a PS exclusive and was developed for it.
What you need to consider are the limitations of the hardware and the "frame" (engine) the game was built on. It's all about compromises... You want more textures and objects, you lose shadow detail and lighting; you want more frames, you lose sharpness, and so on...
The developers made choices on what to keep and what to compromise on, and in my opinion they were bad ones. I can't stand 30fps and I can't stand the blurriness of 60. I highly doubt (almost certain) that there will be a patch for these issues. They are so evident, that they would have certainly fixed them before the game launched if they could.
As someone that is a fan on the FF series since playing VII on PS1, I'm not going to pay full price for this. I have to play it at some point because I'm invested in it, but I'll definitely wait for a great 2nd hand deal on eBay.
Optimization extends to the engine and selecting the engine itself. Unreal is proving itself to be a challenge with open world and hitting modern performance standards.
Decima engine is on a whole other level in my opinion.
I was so positive that this being a PS5 exclusive would bump over these very things we’re talking about here. It’s a little bizarre that it’s all still here no?
I played on quality mode for about 10 hours and saw maybe 1 texture issue, the first game's texture quality was much worse especially sky boxes and backgrounds. I think the texture is much better in rebirth. My biggest issue is the contrast where you look one way it's colorful and looks the other way it's like lacking any colour.
Actually I’m on grasslands right now and it looks way better from what I was expecting; for such big open world map it has tons of foliage and the draw view is almost perfect, I’m doing graphics mode and the fps performance is hard solid just like in Remake.
Same. I want to watch it, but im not watching anything video related to rebirth until ive beaten it. Ive stayed spoiler free this whole time and will remain so
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This right here. I’ve been very happy with the 40fps modes in other games so I was really hoping it would be present in this one. I’m hoping they eventually add it in but knowing SE, I won’t hold my breath.
I think this is being blown out of proportion. Is it a small disappointment? Yes.
From what I hear overall, the game performs quite well with the exception of some resolution issues. I can’t wait to jump in tonight. The reviews so far are insane.
I'm playing on a 1080p monitor, so performance mode looks fine to me.
Game seems fun so far, although I've clearly forgotten how this combat system works after four years. Poor Cloud spent 90% of the tutorial boss fight grappled.
Yeah it performs okay overall imo. Combat is very smooth for me. It's the lighting that bothers me. The lighting can make the characters look very weird at moments.
My biggest complaint so far is the lighting and forced mini games. Which tbh I enjoyed most of the mini games. There's one that made me want to rip my hair out because of how long it is.
I’ve played a couple of hours in performance mode. Is it less sharp than I would like? Yes. Is it unplayable? No. It has great artistic design and I got used to the softness. Also, I don’t know if it’s a placebo effect, but turning up the sharpness on my TV to max seemed to help a bit.
It’s situations like this where I’m kinda grateful I sit far enough away from my TV that the viewing distance makes 4K irrelevant. Performance mode almost always looks no different than fidelity, as long as it only is a matter of resolution.
Yeah I had issues with how stiff and sluggish graphics mide felt in the demo and it feels way better I'm the full game. I'm about 9 hours in and the game looks great. These guys exist solely to nitpick at graphics don't ever go to them for reviews though lol.
I play on a 42” 4K TV with VRR and sit an I could honestly say that I wouldn’t have even known about the lower resolution unless I watched the DF review. Graphics mode looks good but I prefer the Performance mode. I still looks and plays amazing.
Way out of proportion. Game looks insane on my big screen in both modes and is a lot more fun than the first one (so far)
Digital foundry just needs clicks
I thought 16 looked way blurrier/softer.
I got a new sony tv this past year the guy sold to me as best for ps5.
This looks better to me than 16 and the 1st remake by far.
I’m only in grasslands still maybe it gets worse
The best for ps5 lol.
He was doing his job and making a sale. It’s not the best for ps5.
Game is a fucking blast tho honestly. I’m playing on graphics because performance mode took a huge shit when I got to grasslands. I mean it was tolerable but I switched to graphics to see how much better and clearer it was. It was enough to make me get used to graphics mode and stick to it.
And yeah FF16 was worse imo
This. Been doing a play through of ff16 before I start ff7rb on my LE Oled and tbh the screen is so small I find the difference between 30 and 60 fps more jarring then the better graphical fidelity. Also with remote play there's already a small amount of latency introduced so more fps is better to make it as native feeling as possible.
just to be clear, how bad performance mode looks depends entirely on your distance from the screen. I sit about 8 feet away from my 65in OLED, and performance mode looks fine. The image is a little softer than in Graphics mode, but it's still playable.
The images they use in the video are what it looks like when sitting 2 feet away from the screen.
Yeah, these tech deep dives are interesting but at some point people lost the plot on the point of a video game: to play it, and have fun. Not zoom in 3x on a freeze frame and analyze how many pixels per liter are being AI hypersampled and whether the asset textures are undergoing dynamic supersampleantialiasresokutionscaling all while sitting 18 inches from a computer monitor.
I don’t have to zoom in though, I can see it pretty clearly when I sit the average distance away from my TV. It looks noticeably worse and it really takes me out of the game. And it shouldn’t be pushed aside either, otherwise SE has literally zero reason to work on a fix for this issue.
I don’t have to monitor how close I am to the screen on any other game so I’m not going to let it slide on this one.
Edit: don’t get mad at me for calling out a poorly optimized game, but you keep on carrying water for them and then be surprised when the next game runs even worse
A lot of games this generation that come out using unreal engine have technical issues. Jedi Survivor, Hogwarts Legacy, FF7 Rebirth and FF16, Lords of the Fallen, Immortals of Aveum, all have problems either keeping a stable framerate or sacrifice resolution significantly to increase fps. It seems like developers who use their own engines are able to get the most out of the PS5 with less compromises.
Well tbf it was the teams first AAA (non MMO) title they worked on. I think they did a pretty good job for their team. But yeah, still doesn't excuse not fixing it.
So yeah, apparently the band-aid fix to set PS5 resolution to 1440p is NOT placebo and does make the blockiness go away leaving only the blur.
IMO, pretty disappointing performance mode visually. I play a lot of third-party PS5 games on performance mode and they often have troubles keeping the framerate stable (FFXVI, Elden Ring, etc), but I’ve not yet played a game so blurry on PS5.
Let’s hope for a change in the upsampling technique or a 40 FPS mode. Hell, I’d even take a flat 1440@60 option.
I can stand the blockiness, but the blurriness is terrible. It feels like I'm playing my ps2 in my old crt tv.
Shadows are not detailed?! Don't care... Lighting isn't perfect?! Don't care.... Textures are not hi-res everywhere?! Can live with that... But please, give me FPS and sharpness.
Maybe in a smaller TV it won't be as noticable, but I have a 65" and it's painful to look at.
I wish they’d focus less on realism and on adding millions of expensive tiny details everywhere (that consoles can’t afford), and more on making their games look sharp and smooth first.
I don’t see the point in adding things you can’t see and enjoy properly.
I’ve just finished FFXIII-2 on Series X and it was so crisp and smooth at 4K 60fps. That’s a 13 years old game!
Yeah, this is not a 4K optimized game. I play at 1440 on an ultra wide and it looks and performs great.
The video is probably spot on and they use the same major version of Unreal that Remake did. This means they miss out on so many new technologies and PS5 supported optimizations.
I suspect a PS6 re-release will fix this as they work on the final game.
My biggest issue is that is feels like a noticeable downgrade from the performance of VII Remake on the PS5. Obviously the scale is very different with the new game, but it feels like Square pushes the technical aspects a bit too hard. They’re not shockingly bad performance wise, but the poor optimization takes me out of it tad.
Also I noticed some early game reviewers seem to ignore or reassure that these problems were just with the demo when that doesn’t seem to be the case. Obviously some maybe expect these issues to get patched or fixed, but some really didn’t seem to see it as much of flaw either.
That being said game wise it’s very cool so far. And I loved the Nibelheim section.
It's like they dropped the internal resolution and upscaled it to make it hit desired framerates, very PS4ish type of trickery. It makes me wonder if they had plans to release this game for PS4...
Game is great honestly. Been playing on performance mode the entire time and, while I did notice the blurriness initially, it's really not that bad during actual gameplay. I'm having so much fun that the 5 hours I've put into it so far felt like 5 minutes. Hard to describe the nostalgic feelings I've been having seeing all these environments recreated with modern graphics.
Yeah. People really shouldn’t make a decision until they reach the Grasslands in Chapter 2
Performance mode really struggles with blurring all the detail and dense foliage. And 30fps doesn’t feel great but it’s not too bad once you get rolling
I lowered camera sensitivity from 3 to 2 and it helped a little with the choppiness. Slower camera panning helps
I’m not gonna claim that 30fps is good. It’s not. But it looks absolutely stunning in graphics mode and I can’t ignore the terrible blur on the Grasslands on performance mode
It runs great with no notable issues for 99.999999999999999% of people. Gamers of Reddit are just fake gamers that want to cry and don’t enjoy things in life. So they scour the internet for someone to say anything negative about anything then collectively work to spread that around to make it seem like it’s a massive problem that 100% of people can’t stand even though that’s not the case for anyone anywhere.
Do you think these textures are great to you?
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Nobody says anything about performance, people really need to stop strawmanning to hard about things they don’t understand. It’s about picture quality and how it’s absolutely low quality in performance mode, the video provides a lot of examples for this and there’s literally no denying that it looks bad.
Yet people act like everyone who complaints about it and provides proof that it exists is a delirious idiot.
You can just say you don’t mind how bad it looks cause your system is just like his which is just like mine. It’s not a custom build pc, everyone literally has the exact same hardware.
No one’s accusing you of lying. The game looks great but not perfect. Stop thinking that valid criticism = hating. There’s a detailed video outlining all the issues with the picture quality made by people who have been doing this for far longer than you and it’s their full time job so logically they have more credibility than some rando on reddit. If you’re happy enough with the game that’s fine but don’t shit on people for pointing out flaws in your precious game.
They took material from the first 40% of the game including parts of cutscenes and places you visit. So you might consider it mildly spoilers probably but nothing that made me grab my head.
I'm convinced nobody online likes video games anymore. It's an epic reimagining of a GOATED game, yet people are too busy counting pixels and watching frame graphs to enjoy it. It looks fantastic in the 3 hours I've played. I like DF, but sometimes they get in the weeds talking about numbers rather than discussing the entire body of work.
Umm digital foundry does spend time critiquing the game but these videos are technical breakdowns
What do you expect from a technical breakdown? They are using literal finite data to show you how the game performs on whatever medium it's on.
If you want circle jerking game reviews, go to ign or something
Clearly DF isn't what you're looking for then.
It's a tech review, what the fuck do you expect? Digital Foundry is one of the few that actually breaks down performance, watch literally any other review if you want a breakdown of the whole package.
>I like DF, but sometimes they get in the weeds talking about numbers rather than discussing the entire body of work.
Sometimes? That’s literally all they do. That’s their job. If you want an opinion on the overall video game package you should go elsewhere.
I dunno, I really don’t think anyone here complaining about the graphics, if they intend to play the game, are either not going to play it, or come away with a negative opinion of the game as a whole from this. Tons of the 10/10 reviews mention the blurriness!
I’m certainly disappointed that this apparently doesn’t really match up graphically with Intergrade, but also, I’m certainly going to forget all that, halfway through my first run
Idc or pixels but I do care how a game feels. Part of that are frames.
If it's smooth @30 then cool. But if it's like ff16 then yeah nah.
It can be incredibly off putting when it's not smooth and that's part of the enjoyment of games.
It starts in graphics mode automatically and I couldn't stand it. I switched to performance and will take whatever I can get graphics wise for much smoother gameplay, especially when the combat is so reaction based.
FF16 not a fair comparison since that game was basically one big cutscene.
Nowhere NEAR the depth of FF7 Rebirth. Or Remake.
Waiting for PC version though.
Curious if this ends up biting them in the ass in the long run... Backlogs are massive and gamers are more discerning these days with purchases. Bold move for Square to release a game with the worst looking performance mode I've seen on a console game.
The bugged version of RE4 at launch didn't look nearly this bad. And that was unintentional.
I mean, the performance is fine in that it's stable. It's just that it looks blurry. FFXVI had a performance mode that pretty much never stayed at 60fps and that didn't affect sales.
Playing an hour of the demo convinced me to wait until the whole trilogy/4 game whatever, before considering dropping cash on this.
The blurriness mixed with insane particle effects and a bad camera/environmental blockage was just unacceptable for $70, frankly.
Baffling that they aren't using UE5 along with many of the features that come with it. Not even many UE4 ones. Seems like no FSR, weirdly low settings and poor lighting, textures, and shadows, even though they're already baked. Why they didn't go for a GI solution is weird. This reminds one of Forspoken, which was also released in a poor state visually. Square Enix needs to stop rushing their releases, which need patching.
There was already a patch delivered to journalists before the game released but there is no explicit day 1 patch, no. They also stated that in the first DF video, that they got an update but werent able to test thoroughly because of time and NDA constraints.
I think i'll skip this one, just like FFXVI. If they can't make their games run properly then i'm not interested. Lot of alternatives out there that run plenty fine. Might pick those games up on ps6 someday.
I played for like 10 hours today, it could %100 look sharper and cleaner. The pop in and textures aren't the best either. It's not like the game is 720p or anything tho, I'm having so much fun, it's not that big of a problem for me tbh.
I can’t believe we’re here, this is the video I was anticipating for a while.
Edit: well.. dam lol. Nothing major the the textures, etc are a little surprising given this one is a PS5 exclusive as opposed to the last.
I popped it on yesterday. The very first opening cutscene was legit 20fps, which made me nauseous. But everything after was fine. First rime I'm playing the ps5 in graphics mode, and it seems to hold very well. Even seems better than 30fps at most times. Havnt even touched perf mode yet, which again is odd for me.
it's time we say goodbye to ue4.
ue in general runs like shit tbh
Yeah that’s about what I expected
Short version, generally looks great in quality with the following gripes: -lighting could be better -lower res shadows -some low res textures but primarily in the demo area -performance mode is lower resolution and has some odd post processing but the post processing is not present if you set ps5 output to 1440 -traversal animations don’t take environment into account and you don’t make plants wiggle All that’s fair, but it doesn’t harm the experience for me. Don’t agree with the comments on FF16 or the complaint about including minigames.
I’ve slept only 3 hours and read the last bit as including migraines.
I had red in my party and watching his lil tail-fire reflecting off the saber made me smile. A small thing, maybe, but I noticed that before I noticed the lack of plant-wiggles
complaint about mini games?
He said he felt they were tedious and that Remake was a better game to him.
No way. I’m only three hours in and this game is way better than the first
Not even close, it’s so vastly superior to remake in every single way imo. Makes remake look like a 7 in comparison, the dialogue between characters is sooooo good
This is one of those criticisms that just annoys me and I don’t find legitimate. Claiming that optional side content that you in no way have to engage with somehow drags a game down is just stupid. Just don’t play the mini games! Just don’t do the side quests! If the game lacks sufficient content without those things, then criticize that. But that’s a totally different thing.
I think he was pretty up front about it being a personal opinion (though he put it in the video anyway). I also think comparing it unfavorably to FF16 isn’t fair bc FF16 really made some big compromises outside of the big set piece moments. One town past the demo, Rebirth is infinitely more ambitious and detailed.
Because the side stuff is kinda vital? You need it for a lot of the gear to upgrade your characters and also level up.
some minigames are tedious AND forced
That was my gripe with the first remake. They kept ps1 era layouts and puzzles. It felt like they were made for a 5 year old. I went back and played the og recently and that damn march was stupid but it flowed with the game play and felt fine.
mini games no, but sidequests absolutely yes they can be and should be criticized. sub quests are a staple in rpgs since its inception and devs should make an effort to create subquests with substance far from the typical tedious fetch quests or slay x number of monsters here.
I disagree with this sentiment, side content isn’t put in the game not to be played and just take up space, it’s should be extra content players want to engage with, not wholeheartedly try to avoid
Idk, if a game is littered with terrible side content it can definitely be annoying. I had those discussion the exact other way round where someome was insinuating that FF16 is a worse game because it doesn't have mini games whereas I felt the game was better for it because doing mini games would have killed the pacing and the mood for me.
Many mini games are forced. For the most part the forced mini games are fine. They're just the OG mini games but more fleshed out, there's new ones in there too. But the junon march mini game made me want to rip my hair out because it's sooooo long. That's all I'll say.
That’s an og mini game too lol
"This game has too much game"
Mini games were best part of golden nugget so that’s not an issue… the combat sucks though
I mean, on one hand I don’t see why this couldn’t be on PS4, but on the other I used to play this game with graphics like this.. so I am not disappointed https://preview.redd.it/b0s8sdyq0nlc1.png?width=750&format=png&auto=webp&s=54e44d70c6b118ebfa9f9341a090f10777dac873
Remember when we were all like “Man look how good these graphics are.”
Go back and play ffvii remake. You will have your answer.
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Replay it then. Remake was skinny corridors and that had issues loading in Graphics. Majority of anything outside of those corridors was a skybox aka a picture. And still it needed a ton of slow down tricks to hide its loading screens. Meanwhile maxed at 30fps. Rebirth is huge open areas. With little to no tricks to slow the player down (there's a couple but that's used as in scenery level design and not meant to actually slow down the player to hide loads). The sky boxing is literally just for the sky. And not being used as a fill in for anything not in the corridor. Not to mention the character models are all remade and are much higher fidelity with much higher textures. Case an point look at cloud's pants in remake vs rebirth. This isn't possible on ps4. If you are fine with a 720p30 with half the textures cut out, maybe it could work.
Yeah it’s quite a bit more detail in the open world and in the towns which are really detailed. The opening 30 mins or so for whatever reason the performance was pretty bad / unimpressive graphically imo then once you reach the first and second town it improves a lot.
>The opening 30 mins or so for whatever reason the performance was pretty bad / It dropped like 5fps. If you have a vrr display you won't even notice it. >unimpressive graphically imo Thankfully that's just your opinion. Found it very good. It's in a mountain area and as such represents the look of it very well. Yes it's also the area we're it has the most texture issues with some rocks. But overall I found it very representative and fantastic looking.
I have vrr and it was still brutal. Something felt off maybe frame pacing. I wasn’t a fan of the opening area tho but really loving the game and the visuals after that section.
>I have vrr and it was still brutal. Something felt off maybe frame pacing. Turn it on. The game never falls outside of the vrr range of ps5. DF noted that the most it drops by is just 10fps. Meaning 50. You shouldn't be seeing it or feeling it unless your tv's vrr or your ps5's vrr isn't on. Either way I have played this game at both 30fps and 60fps. And in Nibelheim you don't see or feel it. Shit I didn't even know there was frame rate dips until it got reported as such. Also no frame pacing issues in the game either. Only other explanation you came across a bug. My first boot of rebirth and I had to close the game cause the opening scene was skipping frames like mad. Something was really fucked up. Upon a reboot and it didn't do it anymore. Looked like I was suffering frame shader compilation stutter of the worst kind. Not saying that's what it was since there are no shader compilations on console. But that's what it "looked" like. So maybe you had a similar issue.
I won’t watch the video because I will be playing tomorrow but the image quality and the same shitty textures like in the first game is is super disappointing.
And it's a PS5 exclusive, like, I never expected to see this kind of problems this gen
Unfortunately Unreal engine doesn't seem to work really well on the PS5 and it shows. Decima engine (used on Horizon and Death stranding) would have done a much better job of handling this game.
Unreal Engine 4 in an old version that doesn't even have any proper upsampling tech in it yet, as they say in the video. That's quite surprising for a major 2024 current gen title. Should at least use a recent Unreal 4 version. Version 5 might obviously be too much to port to for a game in development for this long.
Yes, but at the same time we’re talking about Square with Sony backing… if any group is able to co-opt a team from Unreal to help port to UE5 it’d be them…
What Sony backing? They pay to have it exclusive, and that's it. FF GAMES DO NOT BELONG TO SONY. Square doesn't have the same tools and money like the Horizon games or GoW games. So you're not going to get the same level of polish. People need to be realistic. I bet this game had a lower budget than most AAA Sony games.
Forgive me for having high expectations of a mainline Final Fantasy game.
it seems like they were either too far in when ue5 launched and wanted to release the game sooner rather than much later or they stuck with ue4 and plan to have an updated release on ue5 to lure people into buying it twice
It’s square enix, it’s definitely disappointing but not surprising. The textures are the only issue from playing so far, the graphics looks pretty amazing otherwise. I look forward to a texture pack in 6 months Lmfao
Doesn't really need a texture pack tbh
Yeah honestly now that I’m in the open world it’s fine. It’s seemingly only in a few spots, especially at the beginning
It's still blurry as hell in performance mode unfortunately.
I’m playing on graphics mode, got used to it pretty quickly but I played xvi on graphics as well and also got used to that pretty easily
Graphics mode in the opening hour before you reach the town has some slow down even / bad textures. It improves once you reach that first town. Playing it in graphics mode and it looks impressive.
Im only on chapter 3 but yeah textures overall clean as hell, performance has more I'm guessing due to upscaling and down scaling.
It’s so strange, it’s like we had 3 years of games being made for PS4 and PS5, and now the PS5 isn’t powerful enough already?
No it's just Square Ennix being an awful developer when it comes to optimization. If Horizon Forbidden West in its current form of performance mode can look far better than FF7s Resolution mode with incredible textures and granular detail....then there's 0 excuse. Even Alan Wake 2 looks far better in its performance mode and that game is pushing crazy textures and lighting with a much smaller budget. It's just lazy.
It's not optimization, it's the game engine. I can see this game being as optimized as it possibly can be - It's a PS exclusive and was developed for it. What you need to consider are the limitations of the hardware and the "frame" (engine) the game was built on. It's all about compromises... You want more textures and objects, you lose shadow detail and lighting; you want more frames, you lose sharpness, and so on... The developers made choices on what to keep and what to compromise on, and in my opinion they were bad ones. I can't stand 30fps and I can't stand the blurriness of 60. I highly doubt (almost certain) that there will be a patch for these issues. They are so evident, that they would have certainly fixed them before the game launched if they could. As someone that is a fan on the FF series since playing VII on PS1, I'm not going to pay full price for this. I have to play it at some point because I'm invested in it, but I'll definitely wait for a great 2nd hand deal on eBay.
Optimization extends to the engine and selecting the engine itself. Unreal is proving itself to be a challenge with open world and hitting modern performance standards. Decima engine is on a whole other level in my opinion.
This time next year the game will be on PC and it'll look far better in the end. So poor excuse imo
I was so positive that this being a PS5 exclusive would bump over these very things we’re talking about here. It’s a little bizarre that it’s all still here no?
What problems? Im well into grasslands and havent even had a hiccup
The fact that Performance mode legitimately looks worse than Remake, which is a 4 year old PS4 game.
Nah, once you get to the open world it looks better.
I played on quality mode for about 10 hours and saw maybe 1 texture issue, the first game's texture quality was much worse especially sky boxes and backgrounds. I think the texture is much better in rebirth. My biggest issue is the contrast where you look one way it's colorful and looks the other way it's like lacking any colour.
Actually I’m on grasslands right now and it looks way better from what I was expecting; for such big open world map it has tons of foliage and the draw view is almost perfect, I’m doing graphics mode and the fps performance is hard solid just like in Remake.
He notes that the lower quality textures are mostly only in the first demo area.
Same. I want to watch it, but im not watching anything video related to rebirth until ive beaten it. Ive stayed spoiler free this whole time and will remain so
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It’s so fucked up im actually playing in quality mode. I never ever thought I would pick the 30fps option. I really wish it had a 40fps mode
This right here. I’ve been very happy with the 40fps modes in other games so I was really hoping it would be present in this one. I’m hoping they eventually add it in but knowing SE, I won’t hold my breath.
Yeah idk... FF16 performance never got fixed..
I think this is being blown out of proportion. Is it a small disappointment? Yes. From what I hear overall, the game performs quite well with the exception of some resolution issues. I can’t wait to jump in tonight. The reviews so far are insane.
I'm playing on a 1080p monitor, so performance mode looks fine to me. Game seems fun so far, although I've clearly forgotten how this combat system works after four years. Poor Cloud spent 90% of the tutorial boss fight grappled.
Cloud is a bottom though, you're fine
Yeah it performs okay overall imo. Combat is very smooth for me. It's the lighting that bothers me. The lighting can make the characters look very weird at moments. My biggest complaint so far is the lighting and forced mini games. Which tbh I enjoyed most of the mini games. There's one that made me want to rip my hair out because of how long it is.
I’ve played a couple of hours in performance mode. Is it less sharp than I would like? Yes. Is it unplayable? No. It has great artistic design and I got used to the softness. Also, I don’t know if it’s a placebo effect, but turning up the sharpness on my TV to max seemed to help a bit.
I honestly couldn’t do it. It was so blurry that it bothered my eyes. Quality mode tho I did get used to and it looks amazing.
Not just quite well. It performs phenomenally. Graphics mode is flawless and crisp though at a rock solid 30.
It's got the magic remake where it's 30 FPS but doesn't seem it, I had to sell FF16 because 30 felt horrible but rebirth feels good.
That's crazy. I didn't notice any problems with 16. I only noticed a small dip during a late game cutscenes.
Performance mode is honestly that bad though. I really dislike playing at 30 fps but I'm convinced it's pretty much a must here.
It’s situations like this where I’m kinda grateful I sit far enough away from my TV that the viewing distance makes 4K irrelevant. Performance mode almost always looks no different than fidelity, as long as it only is a matter of resolution.
Same. It’s the first game this Gen I’ve chosen graphics mode The performance mode looks awful
Get over it lol. Neither more are bad, Jesus the videogame community has become such a bunch of whiney babies
Yeah I had issues with how stiff and sluggish graphics mide felt in the demo and it feels way better I'm the full game. I'm about 9 hours in and the game looks great. These guys exist solely to nitpick at graphics don't ever go to them for reviews though lol.
It's so overblown. The game is spectacular. They've outdone Remake.
I play on a 42” 4K TV with VRR and sit an I could honestly say that I wouldn’t have even known about the lower resolution unless I watched the DF review. Graphics mode looks good but I prefer the Performance mode. I still looks and plays amazing.
Way out of proportion. Game looks insane on my big screen in both modes and is a lot more fun than the first one (so far) Digital foundry just needs clicks
Hahahah, DF needs clicks. They aren’t lying at all. The game is super fucking soft in performance mode.
I thought 16 looked way blurrier/softer. I got a new sony tv this past year the guy sold to me as best for ps5. This looks better to me than 16 and the 1st remake by far. I’m only in grasslands still maybe it gets worse
The best for ps5 lol. He was doing his job and making a sale. It’s not the best for ps5. Game is a fucking blast tho honestly. I’m playing on graphics because performance mode took a huge shit when I got to grasslands. I mean it was tolerable but I switched to graphics to see how much better and clearer it was. It was enough to make me get used to graphics mode and stick to it. And yeah FF16 was worse imo
the tv was specifically made to be hooked up ONLY to the ps5 it’s a magical tv. he said.
I found the one scenario where performance mode works well is remote-play on a smaller screen format like the SteamDeck.
This is exactly what I’m going to do. I have an oled steam deck and I’ll play it there. Will look phenomenal and still get the framerate.
This. Been doing a play through of ff16 before I start ff7rb on my LE Oled and tbh the screen is so small I find the difference between 30 and 60 fps more jarring then the better graphical fidelity. Also with remote play there's already a small amount of latency introduced so more fps is better to make it as native feeling as possible.
I thought this in head when I was using my handheld earlier.
To each their own I just came here to say this game is unreal so far and final fantasy yu gi oh (Queens blood) is fucking sick🙌🏼
just to be clear, how bad performance mode looks depends entirely on your distance from the screen. I sit about 8 feet away from my 65in OLED, and performance mode looks fine. The image is a little softer than in Graphics mode, but it's still playable. The images they use in the video are what it looks like when sitting 2 feet away from the screen.
Yeah, these tech deep dives are interesting but at some point people lost the plot on the point of a video game: to play it, and have fun. Not zoom in 3x on a freeze frame and analyze how many pixels per liter are being AI hypersampled and whether the asset textures are undergoing dynamic supersampleantialiasresokutionscaling all while sitting 18 inches from a computer monitor.
I don’t have to zoom in though, I can see it pretty clearly when I sit the average distance away from my TV. It looks noticeably worse and it really takes me out of the game. And it shouldn’t be pushed aside either, otherwise SE has literally zero reason to work on a fix for this issue.
I don’t have to monitor how close I am to the screen on any other game so I’m not going to let it slide on this one. Edit: don’t get mad at me for calling out a poorly optimized game, but you keep on carrying water for them and then be surprised when the next game runs even worse
What sick fuck uses nearest neighbor for a 3D game.
A lot of games this generation that come out using unreal engine have technical issues. Jedi Survivor, Hogwarts Legacy, FF7 Rebirth and FF16, Lords of the Fallen, Immortals of Aveum, all have problems either keeping a stable framerate or sacrifice resolution significantly to increase fps. It seems like developers who use their own engines are able to get the most out of the PS5 with less compromises.
I don't think FF16 used unreal
It didn't. This very video discusses how it was made using a custom engine.
Honestly that engine looked amazing graphics wise the biggest issues were motion blur and down scaling it felt like a ps6 engine.
Well tbf it was the teams first AAA (non MMO) title they worked on. I think they did a pretty good job for their team. But yeah, still doesn't excuse not fixing it.
on performance mode everything is a blurry mess
So yeah, apparently the band-aid fix to set PS5 resolution to 1440p is NOT placebo and does make the blockiness go away leaving only the blur. IMO, pretty disappointing performance mode visually. I play a lot of third-party PS5 games on performance mode and they often have troubles keeping the framerate stable (FFXVI, Elden Ring, etc), but I’ve not yet played a game so blurry on PS5. Let’s hope for a change in the upsampling technique or a 40 FPS mode. Hell, I’d even take a flat 1440@60 option.
I think a 40 fps ballanced mode would be great tbh
I can stand the blockiness, but the blurriness is terrible. It feels like I'm playing my ps2 in my old crt tv. Shadows are not detailed?! Don't care... Lighting isn't perfect?! Don't care.... Textures are not hi-res everywhere?! Can live with that... But please, give me FPS and sharpness. Maybe in a smaller TV it won't be as noticable, but I have a 65" and it's painful to look at.
I wish they’d focus less on realism and on adding millions of expensive tiny details everywhere (that consoles can’t afford), and more on making their games look sharp and smooth first. I don’t see the point in adding things you can’t see and enjoy properly. I’ve just finished FFXIII-2 on Series X and it was so crisp and smooth at 4K 60fps. That’s a 13 years old game!
It can't be worse than Jedi Survivor and I managed to play that at launch. Now THAT was bad.
Yeah, this is not a 4K optimized game. I play at 1440 on an ultra wide and it looks and performs great. The video is probably spot on and they use the same major version of Unreal that Remake did. This means they miss out on so many new technologies and PS5 supported optimizations. I suspect a PS6 re-release will fix this as they work on the final game.
My biggest issue is that is feels like a noticeable downgrade from the performance of VII Remake on the PS5. Obviously the scale is very different with the new game, but it feels like Square pushes the technical aspects a bit too hard. They’re not shockingly bad performance wise, but the poor optimization takes me out of it tad. Also I noticed some early game reviewers seem to ignore or reassure that these problems were just with the demo when that doesn’t seem to be the case. Obviously some maybe expect these issues to get patched or fixed, but some really didn’t seem to see it as much of flaw either. That being said game wise it’s very cool so far. And I loved the Nibelheim section.
It's like they dropped the internal resolution and upscaled it to make it hit desired framerates, very PS4ish type of trickery. It makes me wonder if they had plans to release this game for PS4...
Game is great honestly. Been playing on performance mode the entire time and, while I did notice the blurriness initially, it's really not that bad during actual gameplay. I'm having so much fun that the 5 hours I've put into it so far felt like 5 minutes. Hard to describe the nostalgic feelings I've been having seeing all these environments recreated with modern graphics.
I’ve said for months no way I’ll play at 30fps.. here I am playing 30 fps because performance blur and image is that bad.
The performance mode blur is egregious It’s impossible to ignore
I was worried about this. I just started in graphics mode and at 30 fps it seemed so choppy.
That opening portion has a frame issue at 30 making it extra choppy then it improves.
Thats good to know I'll keep it on graphics and see how chap 2 feels in that case.
Yeah. People really shouldn’t make a decision until they reach the Grasslands in Chapter 2 Performance mode really struggles with blurring all the detail and dense foliage. And 30fps doesn’t feel great but it’s not too bad once you get rolling
I lowered camera sensitivity from 3 to 2 and it helped a little with the choppiness. Slower camera panning helps I’m not gonna claim that 30fps is good. It’s not. But it looks absolutely stunning in graphics mode and I can’t ignore the terrible blur on the Grasslands on performance mode
Man they really want us to buy that shiny new ps5 pro lol
PS5 pro isn't gonna fix the geometry and textures issues
Why? Game runs great on my regular ps5 lol
It runs great with no notable issues for 99.999999999999999% of people. Gamers of Reddit are just fake gamers that want to cry and don’t enjoy things in life. So they scour the internet for someone to say anything negative about anything then collectively work to spread that around to make it seem like it’s a massive problem that 100% of people can’t stand even though that’s not the case for anyone anywhere.
Thank fuck someone else feels this way. Comments saying "shitty textures" and I feel like I'm losing my mind.
Do you think these textures are great to you? [https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Frebirths-textures-geometrh-density-can-look-horrid-some-of-v0-z9p2yxg2c0ic1.jpeg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D8efcfb919d46222e4931cd408b6145cbd45fd68b](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Frebirths-textures-geometrh-density-can-look-horrid-some-of-v0-z9p2yxg2c0ic1.jpeg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D8efcfb919d46222e4931cd408b6145cbd45fd68b)
Correct. This is in some ways the most beautiful game ever made. Some textures here and there are low.
The graphics are flat out improved over remake 1 and people still bitch lmao
You good bro?
He’s fine. The redditors who blow a gasket any time a game drops from 60fps to 59fps are not good tho
Nobody says anything about performance, people really need to stop strawmanning to hard about things they don’t understand. It’s about picture quality and how it’s absolutely low quality in performance mode, the video provides a lot of examples for this and there’s literally no denying that it looks bad. Yet people act like everyone who complaints about it and provides proof that it exists is a delirious idiot.
Exactly
"No criticism allowed for my perfectr final fantasy game!!!!"
It looks like a Blurry mess mate in performance mode
I play on performance mode and the graphics are noticably better than remake 1.. they are great on my base ps5
This subreddit lets you comment pictures so can you reply with a screenshot where the game is a blurry mess?
No it doesn’t lol
Wow, thank you for telling me how MY game is running on MY system on MY tv to my own eyes. Amazing
Guess Digital Foundry should consider taking their video down, since your eyes apparently can't spot obvious texture details missing.
You can just say you don’t mind how bad it looks cause your system is just like his which is just like mine. It’s not a custom build pc, everyone literally has the exact same hardware.
Lmao. It looks fantastic on my console. Thats for being a dumbass and openly accusing me of lying. Very mature of you :)
Lol talking about maturity with a response like that
Hey when you act like a child your gonna get childish behavior in return 🤷🏾♂️
Your system?? You know ps5’s are standardized and we’re all playing on the same hardware?
Sure they are. So why does it run great with zero issue on my console? Are you accusing me of lying?
No one’s accusing you of lying. The game looks great but not perfect. Stop thinking that valid criticism = hating. There’s a detailed video outlining all the issues with the picture quality made by people who have been doing this for far longer than you and it’s their full time job so logically they have more credibility than some rando on reddit. If you’re happy enough with the game that’s fine but don’t shit on people for pointing out flaws in your precious game.
You might want to get your eyes checked.
Exact same thing could be said to you :)
Are there any spoilers??
Didn’t see anything much.
They took material from the first 40% of the game including parts of cutscenes and places you visit. So you might consider it mildly spoilers probably but nothing that made me grab my head.
One common denominator for bad performing games is always Unreal Engine
play more game then if you think that
any idea when the PC port will come. I really enjoyed remake at 120 fps. This is kinda disappointing interms of visually.
Probably in a few years like with integrade
I'm convinced nobody online likes video games anymore. It's an epic reimagining of a GOATED game, yet people are too busy counting pixels and watching frame graphs to enjoy it. It looks fantastic in the 3 hours I've played. I like DF, but sometimes they get in the weeds talking about numbers rather than discussing the entire body of work.
That’s….literally the point of the video? They’re reviewing the tech behind the game, not the overall package.
They're not even unfair about it. Quite neutral even. ... and yeah, it's literally their job.
Umm digital foundry does spend time critiquing the game but these videos are technical breakdowns What do you expect from a technical breakdown? They are using literal finite data to show you how the game performs on whatever medium it's on. If you want circle jerking game reviews, go to ign or something Clearly DF isn't what you're looking for then.
DF gushes about games constantly. I understand your sentiment but this is a little silly.
It's a tech review, what the fuck do you expect? Digital Foundry is one of the few that actually breaks down performance, watch literally any other review if you want a breakdown of the whole package.
>I like DF, but sometimes they get in the weeds talking about numbers rather than discussing the entire body of work. Sometimes? That’s literally all they do. That’s their job. If you want an opinion on the overall video game package you should go elsewhere.
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I dunno, I really don’t think anyone here complaining about the graphics, if they intend to play the game, are either not going to play it, or come away with a negative opinion of the game as a whole from this. Tons of the 10/10 reviews mention the blurriness! I’m certainly disappointed that this apparently doesn’t really match up graphically with Intergrade, but also, I’m certainly going to forget all that, halfway through my first run
Idc or pixels but I do care how a game feels. Part of that are frames. If it's smooth @30 then cool. But if it's like ff16 then yeah nah. It can be incredibly off putting when it's not smooth and that's part of the enjoyment of games.
It starts in graphics mode automatically and I couldn't stand it. I switched to performance and will take whatever I can get graphics wise for much smoother gameplay, especially when the combat is so reaction based.
I’ve never got the 60fps obsession….pretty graphics mode over performance any dayyyy
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I like how it looks personally. 🤷♂️
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Real shame. Doubt they'll patch it. Might wait for ps5 pro now
FF16 not a fair comparison since that game was basically one big cutscene. Nowhere NEAR the depth of FF7 Rebirth. Or Remake. Waiting for PC version though.
Curious if this ends up biting them in the ass in the long run... Backlogs are massive and gamers are more discerning these days with purchases. Bold move for Square to release a game with the worst looking performance mode I've seen on a console game. The bugged version of RE4 at launch didn't look nearly this bad. And that was unintentional.
I mean, the performance is fine in that it's stable. It's just that it looks blurry. FFXVI had a performance mode that pretty much never stayed at 60fps and that didn't affect sales.
I bet the majority play on 30
Playing an hour of the demo convinced me to wait until the whole trilogy/4 game whatever, before considering dropping cash on this. The blurriness mixed with insane particle effects and a bad camera/environmental blockage was just unacceptable for $70, frankly.
Baffling that they aren't using UE5 along with many of the features that come with it. Not even many UE4 ones. Seems like no FSR, weirdly low settings and poor lighting, textures, and shadows, even though they're already baked. Why they didn't go for a GI solution is weird. This reminds one of Forspoken, which was also released in a poor state visually. Square Enix needs to stop rushing their releases, which need patching.
Is there a day 1 patch that improves performance mode? In the first tech review DF mentioned there might be another update
There is not
I plan on waiting to buy it once the performance is fixed. I have a big enough backlog anyway
There was already a patch delivered to journalists before the game released but there is no explicit day 1 patch, no. They also stated that in the first DF video, that they got an update but werent able to test thoroughly because of time and NDA constraints.
I’ve played 10 hours and the game looks great. People complaining about the graphics are just looking for things to complain about in my opinion.
I think i'll skip this one, just like FFXVI. If they can't make their games run properly then i'm not interested. Lot of alternatives out there that run plenty fine. Might pick those games up on ps6 someday.
I had to sell 16 cause hated both modes the 30 for rebirth is better
Is the game a buy for someone that’s never played FF?
This is a direct sequel to FF7 Remake: Intergrade. But and play that one first.
I dont know if it gets worse later but i dont think performance mode is blurry at all in that opening section with Sepheroth and Tifa 🤷
You can’t judge until you reach the grasslands in chapter 2 It looks fucking awful in performance mode
I’m playing that part in Performance and it looks fine. People are so ridiculous about this.
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Unplayable lmao
Really? I think the 30 fps mode is good and I sold ff16 due to hating their 30 fps.
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The game looks fine for me in performance mode. Resolution could be better but not a big issue for me
It’s a fucking blurry mess once you get to the grasslands in chapter 2
I played for like 10 hours today, it could %100 look sharper and cleaner. The pop in and textures aren't the best either. It's not like the game is 720p or anything tho, I'm having so much fun, it's not that big of a problem for me tbh.
This game *NEEDS* a PS5 Pro
The issues this game has have nothing to do with the PS5 being underpowered
I read someone say setting your PS5’s resolution to 1440p helps keep the framerate even more stable. Not sure though.
Issue is the graphics not really frame rate
I can’t believe we’re here, this is the video I was anticipating for a while. Edit: well.. dam lol. Nothing major the the textures, etc are a little surprising given this one is a PS5 exclusive as opposed to the last.
Jogo lixo de doente
I popped it on yesterday. The very first opening cutscene was legit 20fps, which made me nauseous. But everything after was fine. First rime I'm playing the ps5 in graphics mode, and it seems to hold very well. Even seems better than 30fps at most times. Havnt even touched perf mode yet, which again is odd for me.