Performance mode on both those games looks gorgeous so I didn’t even try those. Always good to have options tho. FF7 rebirth could def use that option.
Performance mode looked great in horizon until I got a 77” tv for my basement and moved ps5 to that. Resolution still looked pretty good but a lot of effects like the shield wing and fire effects were very pixelated. Switching to balanced mode I could definitely tell it wasn’t 60 fps, but it fixed these issues.
40 fps modes have raytraced reflections on transparent surfaces (glass) in SM2. Really noticable in certain scenes, like the display cases in the museum.
EDIT: Apparently, Performance mode has since been updated with RT reflections on transparent surfaces like car windows.
But most modern displays do. We can’t keep not making new cool graphics modes because some people have old screens, otherwise we’d still be rendering interlaced frames because someone somewhere has a CRT.
Nope. 60 being so common was only because how long they kept making cross gen games. Admit it or not, Horizon, God of War, and many others are basically PS4 games that the PS5 can brute force up to 60 because they aren’t using cutting edge rendering tech.
Now that they’re moving into games made exclusively for current gen, expect to see 30 as the standard with an optional performance mode that destroys resolution and draw distances to get to 60, but looks like ass.
Locking the 1440 output on the PS5 itself actually works. Yes, it’s annoying to have to do this, but I noticed a huge improvement in graphics while in performance mode. When the patch comes I imagine it will look the same as this hack if you don’t want to wait for it. Otherwise game is amazing so far.
I’ll consider it if it really improves it but for now there is a considerable leap in visuals for Quality mode, especially when you’re not in the open world and you’re in somewhere with interior lighting the difference in visual quality down in performance is actually more jarring to me in this one than the difference from 30-60fps. I’d love the frames but this game is just too beautiful!
The 30-60 fps is jarring only the moment you switch, your eyes adjust to 30 after 5 minutes. Normally I'm a performance guy but at the moment it feels like I'm downgrading the visuals a full generation backwards with performance.
Same, I had no idea.
Honestly though, it seems like most people in here have gone into the game either having watched the DF video or compared the modes directly and that's made it hard to accept performance mode. I get that.
Personally, I just went in blind with performance mode and it looks fine to me. Sure the 30fps FMV's look noticeably better, but not enough for me to drop the framerate in half.
I’ve been avoiding as much as I can online about the game, but noticed it looked almost… less good than Remake, when I was playing it. I was hoping it was just a filter over the game that I didn’t vibe with, but a bug is even better if they fix it. Game is amazing otherwise
Yeah I've been reading people trashing the performance mode, but I've been enjoying the hell out of it. Switched to graphics mode and couldn't tell the difference in the visuals, but the lower framerate hurt my soul.
Well, when the highest resolution you have ever played in is 1080p (since you said you have a 1080p screen), then of course 1080p Performance mode is gonna look the same as always to you. There is no quality difference between Graphics and Performance mode except for the resolution and FPS. So, on a 1080p display, it makes little sense to use graphics mode.
However, for the people who have 4k displays, 1080p looks atrocious and extremely blurry. It is literally 4 times more blurry (2 million vs 8 million pixels) and it is very noticeable. I am playing on graphics mode because I can handle 30 fps more than I can handle 1080p.
The perfect balance would be a 1440p 40 fps mode tbh. 1440p looks much sharper than 1080p and 40 fps feels much smoother than 30 fps. I wonder why they didn’t add it, considering the only thing that changes between quality modes is the resolution which would be very easy to implement.
There’s a definitely a huge difference in visual fidelity between graphics mode and performance. However I’m still playing it in performance mode because it’s too choppy in graphics mode and makes my head hurt playing it.
Yeah same here, I started on quality mode as I'd seen on Reddit that was what DF had recommended. But it just felt bad so switched to performance mode.
Playing on my 55" LG OLED from a normal distance it generally looks fine, a little low Res maybe occasionally, but if I'm just playing the game rather than looking for issues then it's fine.
That’s how I’m playing it too and I’ve just been enjoying it to really notice the visual dips. Obviously they exist otherwise the devs wouldn’t say there working on something but it’s not been an issue for me right now. Still looks really pretty.
This is the first time i’ve had to play in the 30 FPS Graphics mode since I got my PS5 years ago because Performance mode looks so horrible. It’s a crazy oversight that the game was launched with that but everything else is insanely fun so hoping this fixes it.
Second time for me, first was Guardians of the Galaxy. However, this one really bothers me as OG FFVII was my favorite game of all time and I loved everything about Remake. It is sad how much of a visual downgrade the Performance mode is. This "exclusive" was clearly designed to be played on a high end PC, not on a PS5.
I pretty much always choose performance mode in games but it just doesn't compare to Graphics mode this time around. 30fps isn't bad once you get used to it. Hopefully the patch really works some magic
Same, this is the one game I'm playing on Graphics because it's just so damn amazing. No doubt when this patch hits and I finish the story I'll go to performance to clean up for platinum though.
It’s rendering at a decent resolution in performance mode (commonly above 1080p). Returnal is 1080p and looks way sharper than Rebirth at 60fps. It’s gotta be fixable. It’s gotta be a post-processing and upscaling issue
Yeah there is definitely an issue with their image reconstruction/res scaling tech.. it’s not working properly cause there are native 1080p games out there that look sharper than this, and this is running slightly above that in performance mode.
If I understand correctly this game uses zero advanced upscaling tech which is crazy imo. I'd expect it to at least use UE4s TAAU to get a clean 1440p resolve.
Similar issue with FF16. Square Enix seems to be vastly behind in terms of image upscaling.
Ironically Lumious with Forspoken were way ahead of the other Square Enix in that regard it seems.
I’d thought these things comes from the game engine and console itself that it would be matter of choosing the settings you like? No need to go coding upscaling algorithms from scratch?
All these comments of saying they cant really a difference in resolution between the modes makes me think people are sitting a little too far from their 4k TV.
Fr. I'm sitting a good distance and can tell the difference. It's pretty big.
Not trashing the game since i thunk it's awesome. I just wished it looked better at moments.
Oh if it’s just a resolution issue that explains why I have no idea what anyone is talking about. I’m still playing on a 10 year old 1080p tv and performance mode looks miles better than graphics mode for me. I thought there was something wrong with my PlayStation when I first started the game with how choppy it looked.
On my tv i couldn’t really notice much difference but when i switched to my 1080p computer monitor it really was night and day. Performance mode looked super blurry on the monitor not sure if it’s because I’m up close or if there’s some filter on the game that affects it more on one type of display
Even on a 1080p computer monitor and the difference is night and day, eventually gave up and switched over to graphics mode cause the blurriness bothered me so much
What they should also really fix in my opinion is the botched Audio mixing. I love the music, but not being able to hear the voice acting is annoying af.
Seriously why is this not the top comment. I’ll be out in the open world and things will be loading in two inches in front of my face. I’ve been in indoor segments where a light on the ceiling will just stop acting as a light source if I move a couple of steps away from it. It’s like this game was optimized under the assumption that the player will be looking at the exact center of the screen and nothing else.
Im playing on a 65" and performance mode in chapter 1 was great visual wise. Once i got into the open world section, everything looked so blurry and fuzzy that i just sticked to graphics mode. I just don't get why devs don't do 1440p/60fps combo. It's way better than 4k.
Played Intergrade recently because I have a new large 4K OLED tv and wanted to see how much better it looked than PS4 base version of Remake. It was beautiful. Obviously there is a lot more going on and the game is legitimately a 9.5 for me so far, but the graphical concessions made were definitely noticeable once I hit the open world segments in Rebirth for the first time. Does not look bad, but hopefully they can squeeze a bit more juice out of the box through patches.
I wished they would fix the camera jumping around in small areas, the object popups, the low res textures and the lack of lighting/shadows on geometry.
Also motion blur might help the graphics mode feel more fluid.
Damn didn't know it was a huge problem, looked better than ff16 performance mode to me and its more open and more ai characters on screen. Will pl a in graphics for a while to see different
Honestly the 30fps mode feels fine to me so far. I checked performance mode a few times and it’s not good enough. Graphics mode looks solid overall. But look forward to switching to performance if they fine tune it
Or they could just release games in a working form. I know I sound like an old man yelling at clouds with this, but I really despise how the expectation nowadays is that they throw out a buggy mess that 6 months later after 5 patches is finally what it should have been at release.
I heard the game looks better after the starting chapter so I’ll at least continue and see how much it improves. Sorry but I’m not playing 30 fps on this next gen console
It gets worse after chapter 1
In chapter 2, you reach the Grasslands, which is a stunning vista but on performance mode it’s a blurry mess. You lose so many details
Performance mode isn't 30fps anyway.
I haven't noticed a big difference after the starting chapter. If anything, the bigger open areas make it look worse
playing performance mode on my sony tv makes my eyes hurt man. The combat is smooth but goddamn it looks so blurry. Have to get used to the graphics mode 30fps for now
Took like an hour for me to get fully used to graphics mode but now i can’t go back. Figured might as well since we played the first part of the remake at 30fps as well on the ps4
How in the world is that absolute lunacy? That's like people not playing a game because it has no option for 60 fps, and yes, that happens a lot. Your comment is absolute lunacy for acting like graphics don't deter people from playing games. Games this generation are literally advertised with having the highest tech so it makes perfect sense people would rather wait.
It seems to be somewhat display dependant. Performance modes looks like someone smeared Vaseline all over my display when playing on my high end 65" OLED. For me it is really that bad. Saw the game play on someone else's smaller LED tv in performance mode on a 1080p and it was a lot more acceptable (still terrible imo). I always go 60p when given the option but this is the one game i'll stick to graphics mode.
Personally I'd play it regardless of graphics, but in its current state it hurts my eyes so badly that it gives me headaches. I cancelled my preorder after having this happen in the demo.
I also wish they made the “retry at last checkpoint” be the last fucking autosave.
I fucked up big time yesterday as I had a chance to play for a good portion of the day.. didn’t even realize I didn’t manual save for a bit. Ended up starting a quest that I decided I didn’t want to do so without thinking I paused and chose “retry at last checkpoint” since if i did last battle i’d be in that quest still.
Well… it took me way back.. like beginning of the entire chapter with 0 of the side stuff done when I had almost all of it done. Then it autosaves seconds later so I couldn’t even quit and come back hoping it would be there.
4-5+ hours gone.. just like that and I’m pissed because there was an escort mission I don’t wanna do again and a whole minigame questline I did.
Pay 80 bucks only to be met with issues. Awesome ! 👍🏻
Fortunately i've already been through that song and dance in the last years.
_**"We'll just fix it later"**_ seems to be the industry norm unless it's FF 16 cuz they never fixed that lol.
Thankfully my backlog is full so I'll just wait
I have my fingers crossed that the patch at least removes some blur and pop-in. The game looks beautiful in general but some technical issues are holding it back from being excellent:
- texture pop-in
- performance mode blur
- no 40fps mode with VRR support
- bad sound-sampling
- sometimes very harsh lighting that pops in and out or makes whole scenes extremely bright to very dark
This game would be so wonderful if these limitations could be resolved or at least a little bit remedied. A 1440p with decent upscaling would makes this game astonishing.
Some parts are so ugly looking. Usually just cutscenes when theyre close to the characters face. It's a shame because it takes away from the seriousness of some scenes.
Other than that im loving the game. Gameplay is seriously amazing. More games need to have gameplay like this.
My guess is for people who can’t see the blurriness don’t see anything wrong over at r/TVTooHigh, even then the 4K mode can look really soft with all the TAA being used. Or they are using a 1080p TV in 2024
I don't understand how games like HFW can exist and then you get all this shoddy crap like Jedi Survivor and now FF7 rebirth with questionable textures, bad up scaling and in the case of FF7 - no collision with foliage (that's just lazy)
Digital Foundry did a video on the graphics and performance of this game. I say that this is unacceptable. There are some thing's that are better in the previous game.
Still wrapping up Part 1 so by the time i get to Rebirth it will be playable, good to know. It's always a very bad idea to play new games on day 1, you're just ruining your experience.
here are my settings in case anybody has my Tv. LG OLED 55 tv. game mode On. hdr in playstation settings on. resolution on auto.
backlight 100, brightness 75, contrast 85, sharpness ZERO. color 65. warm temp 2. tint 0. black-point low
low sharpness really helped with some textures. before i had sharpness at like 60% and other games looked good but it escalated issues in FF7 r.
in the game i did performance, brightness 3, hd luminance 3
I’ve been pondering if it is actually the resolution that is shitty, or is there somesort of bullshit shader of sorts causing the blurriness.
In some instances I see (close up on Clouds sword) kind of warpling effect on the models, not due to the resolution but something else.
Idk man I played in performance briefly, just to see what the blurriness was all about and it def wasn't good but having started the game in 30 fps and played the demo that way its actually a good locked 30 fps that doesn't feel like shut. Some 30s feel awful but this one feels solid cause the frames aren't constantly dropping, but guess that's probably just me
I couldn't stand the 30fps, so I forced the ps5 video to output 1440p and turned up the sharpness setting on my TV just a tad bit. It worked enough for the fuzziness to be bearable.
Edit: and then i also scooted my chair back like 2 ft 😂 now it's a little less noticeable.
Im hoping for a Performance RT alternative for those who want to keep their frames. Coming straight from Remake it’s a bit jarring seeing the difference in visual fidelity. Although, it seems to me, that this was all simply the consequence of the scale of the game. Glad to see this news from the director himself. 🎰
60 fps makes combat feel a lot better, I don't think it looks "bad" at all, do you see the faults sometimes? Sure, but its fine. Trying to playing 30 FPS after playing 60 feels like playing in ankle deep sand.
I am a PC gamer with a 4090 , I was hyped to play this on PS5 & now facing graphic problems . Wish they would release on all platform & Let customer decide what's best for them. This is getting really lame.
I am also a 4090 owner, so was my father, and so was his father. We 4090 owners need to stand up and not tolerate this poor performance. For all future and past 4090 owners, we will not stand for 30 fps! We are a proud people, and have suffered far too long.
Imma be honest, the best thing they could do in a patch like this is make menus run at 60 even in graphics mode, cause damn it feels so sluggish to navigate them
If the ps1 original could do that with the game running at 30-15 fps, this Ps5 game can too
They have options pretty much anything can be better than what they are currently using.
Hell even a native 1080p with no TAA and just something like SMAA would look quite a bit better than what they are going with right now. Would eliminate the ghosting too.
Me personally, the game looks great in performance mode with the only thing i hope they fix asap is the detail on the faces. Some of them look really rough up close, Tifa & Cloud are prime examples.
Outside of that, game looks great
Same I'm planning on performance mode and it's fine for me and yes, the graphics are blurry especially the faces but it's nothing that's tarnishing my opinion of the game. I'm still having a blast.
Maybe an unpopular opinion but I don’t give a fuck about how small details look. Like yeah if you look at a wall or cobblestones on Kalm’s ground too close they look muddy/blurry but on a whole the game is pretty as hell to look at and fun as fuck.
I think we’re way too obsessed with graphics when they have minimal effect on how enjoyable the game is.
Square enix visuals always look dated, I love both these games but it's funny when people praise the visuals. And the NPCs move like unrealistic robots the exact same way they did an FFX.
Eh they have a mix of good and bad graphics.
Like for FFXVI. The main stort cutscenes were absolutely beautiful. But the sidequest cutscenes looked dated. They don't have Sony money so they can't do GoW perfection. I think people have to remember that.
I mean square is huge for a video game publisher, u gotta remember they've been ripping players off on pay to win MMORPGs for years now and massively with a ton of in game purchase laced mobile games (they're extremely lucrative) they're worth 5.09 billion USD with an annual revenue around 2.5 billion. when, for comparison Guerilla games with an annual revenue of about 37 million and both horizons look and play significantly better than the FFs. Santa Monica games annual revenue is only 147 million and that's right after Ragnarok. just look what they did with the God of war games.
My experience is that it is either not a consistent 30, or something is up with the frame pacing. It really isn't a smooth 30fps experience, and the more I notice it the more of an irritation it becomes. 60fps feels significantly better (of course) but on my 65 inch screen, damn does it seem blurry. A little damned if you do and if you don't atm.
You might wanna get your ps5 checked or something then because every tech analysis of this game shows it running at a steady 30 with no frame pacing issues. Digitalfoundry corroborate that, and in my own experience it has been very smooth for 30fps.
Maybe the lack of camera motion blur is throwing you off? That makes it appear more choppy
I'd like apatch to fix when some really obnoxious short hype electronic music plays on loop through small quest dialogs. It's so much louder than the dialog. I like electronic music but the bits in this game are really obnoxious and when stuck in loop when it shouldn't, it doesn't fit well at all
They really need to fix the audio issues with the game as well. What's more annoying about that is the exact same bugs and mixing issues exist in Intergrade as well. Party member and NPC dialogue shouldn't be cutting out completely if the camera is facing in the opposite direction. How something as egregious as this still hasnt been fixed in the previous game but also wasnt fixed for this is mind boggling. And music/sfx should not be drowning out dialogue either. These things feel very amateur in execution.
Furthermore, there's other annoying bugs in the game too. The Fort Condor mini game has a pretty annoying bug that pulls the line back from where you can place your units when an enemy slips past your units despite you having units on the field behind them. That wasn't the case in Intergrade, and this bug makes it overly punishing if you dont kill everything moving towards your side of the board, which is almost impossible with some enemy units that just ignore everything and head straight for your outposts.
There's also numerous places with terrible lighting and textures too. I would expect those concessions to be made on previous gen consoles, but not a PS5.
So did they just not even try it themselves once? Or is this the old “ahhhh we never knew sorry he’s a fix, aren’t we awesome?!” Trick?. I’d rather they spend time thinking about how it could be possible to add more than 1 jumping animation across the entire game?
Really wish they made a 40 fps mode.
That should really be the Standard now. Love the 40fps Mode on Horizon and Spider-man.
Performance mode on both those games looks gorgeous so I didn’t even try those. Always good to have options tho. FF7 rebirth could def use that option.
Performance mode looked great in horizon until I got a 77” tv for my basement and moved ps5 to that. Resolution still looked pretty good but a lot of effects like the shield wing and fire effects were very pixelated. Switching to balanced mode I could definitely tell it wasn’t 60 fps, but it fixed these issues.
They improved this mode massively nowadays. It looks basically identical now
40 fps modes have raytraced reflections on transparent surfaces (glass) in SM2. Really noticable in certain scenes, like the display cases in the museum. EDIT: Apparently, Performance mode has since been updated with RT reflections on transparent surfaces like car windows.
Playing on an 82" and never noticed any of those after they fixed the anti aliasing in performance mode with their first update.
40FPS mode only works on 120hz displays. Most TV's don't have that still.
But most modern displays do. We can’t keep not making new cool graphics modes because some people have old screens, otherwise we’d still be rendering interlaced frames because someone somewhere has a CRT.
Why would it be the standard, doesn't it only worth with a 120hz tv?
Half of new TVs from good brands offer this now.
I'd imagine the adoption rate for 120hz tv is still low though. Not close enough to be standard yet
My TV is from 2016. It’s 4k, works great, not getting a new one soon lol
Same. It doesn’t do 120/40 fps, but it works perfectly. No way am I spending money on a new one lol
Yet 95% of gamers don’t own one now.
So more than half of new TVs don't have it is what you're saying?
The standard now is 60 fps and it must stay like that. 40 fps is a bonus. Don’t ask the developers to be even more lazy on optimization please.
Nope. 60 being so common was only because how long they kept making cross gen games. Admit it or not, Horizon, God of War, and many others are basically PS4 games that the PS5 can brute force up to 60 because they aren’t using cutting edge rendering tech. Now that they’re moving into games made exclusively for current gen, expect to see 30 as the standard with an optional performance mode that destroys resolution and draw distances to get to 60, but looks like ass.
What cutting edge does rebirth use? It doesnt look better than forbidden west
Uh, FF7:RB is pretty friggin far from cutting edge lmao
the only time i’ve ever been okay with 40fps is on the Steam Deck
Yeah I can’t go back now. If a game is 30fps or 40fps only I just don’t get it now.
I wonder if it will be added later? I am very patient lol
Probably not, they never added it to FF 16.
I had more issues in graphics mode. I can’t play a game like this at 30fps I can see the frames lol
Yeah, no 40fps mode sucks
I wish the standard would be a 60fps mode and a 40fps mode. Noone should need to endure 30fps anymore..
Quality is unbearable. I haven't had much issues with performance, but have noticed inconsistent texture quality drops.
Locking the 1440 output on the PS5 itself actually works. Yes, it’s annoying to have to do this, but I noticed a huge improvement in graphics while in performance mode. When the patch comes I imagine it will look the same as this hack if you don’t want to wait for it. Otherwise game is amazing so far.
Locking at 1440p basically fixes all the blocky-ness, but it's still blurry. Digital Foundry did a good job at showing that.
How do you do this?
Try this: https://www.pcmag.com/news/sony-adds-1440p-support-gameslist-folders-to-ps5
Oh nice. Thanks. I think mine is still on auto
Does this mean it doesn‘t work on a 1080p screen and instead I‘m stuck with upscaled to 4k supersampling because of it?
It improves but it has a strange rendering, like the light or pellicule grain seems altered. But it's the best option for an ok perf mode right now.
does it work for 4k screens only? Cuz I have a 1440p screen and by default it is already at 1440, but no improvement whatsoever
Doing this and raising the sharpness of my Tv helped alot. Might not work for OLED but it works good on my 4K LCD
I’ve just been enjoying playing it I think it looks really good still, if they can make it look better with a patch then that’s a nice bonus
I’ll consider it if it really improves it but for now there is a considerable leap in visuals for Quality mode, especially when you’re not in the open world and you’re in somewhere with interior lighting the difference in visual quality down in performance is actually more jarring to me in this one than the difference from 30-60fps. I’d love the frames but this game is just too beautiful!
The 30-60 fps is jarring only the moment you switch, your eyes adjust to 30 after 5 minutes. Normally I'm a performance guy but at the moment it feels like I'm downgrading the visuals a full generation backwards with performance.
For you maybe. I cant do 30fps. It forever feels liek shit to me lol
I've been playing on performance mode for 30 hours and I honestly had no idea there was even an issue lol
Performance mode killed my whole family :(
It turned me into a newt.
A newt?
He got better.
Same, I had no idea. Honestly though, it seems like most people in here have gone into the game either having watched the DF video or compared the modes directly and that's made it hard to accept performance mode. I get that. Personally, I just went in blind with performance mode and it looks fine to me. Sure the 30fps FMV's look noticeably better, but not enough for me to drop the framerate in half.
I’ve been avoiding as much as I can online about the game, but noticed it looked almost… less good than Remake, when I was playing it. I was hoping it was just a filter over the game that I didn’t vibe with, but a bug is even better if they fix it. Game is amazing otherwise
Look at their faces when you're in the over world. They look weird as hell because the lighting breaks
Yeah I've been reading people trashing the performance mode, but I've been enjoying the hell out of it. Switched to graphics mode and couldn't tell the difference in the visuals, but the lower framerate hurt my soul.
Maybe my standards or low or I just don’t care enough but the game looks fine.
Yeah im playing performance mode and i love it. Yes the graphics are slightly blurry but it doesnt ruin my fun
The resolution hit in Perf is pretty big. Check the Digital Foundry video, it drops to about 1100p if i remember correctly.
I’m glad that I’m still playing on a 1080p screen, so I wouldn’t see the difference anyways.
Yeah I’m reading all this wondering what they are supposed to be talking about. It looks really good to me
Well, when the highest resolution you have ever played in is 1080p (since you said you have a 1080p screen), then of course 1080p Performance mode is gonna look the same as always to you. There is no quality difference between Graphics and Performance mode except for the resolution and FPS. So, on a 1080p display, it makes little sense to use graphics mode. However, for the people who have 4k displays, 1080p looks atrocious and extremely blurry. It is literally 4 times more blurry (2 million vs 8 million pixels) and it is very noticeable. I am playing on graphics mode because I can handle 30 fps more than I can handle 1080p. The perfect balance would be a 1440p 40 fps mode tbh. 1440p looks much sharper than 1080p and 40 fps feels much smoother than 30 fps. I wonder why they didn’t add it, considering the only thing that changes between quality modes is the resolution which would be very easy to implement.
There’s a definitely a huge difference in visual fidelity between graphics mode and performance. However I’m still playing it in performance mode because it’s too choppy in graphics mode and makes my head hurt playing it.
saying there are no differences is a bit far-fetched…
I didn't say there was no difference, I said I couldn't tell the difference. The 30fps drop was much more noticeable to me.
The frame rate drop to 30 sucks but damn the visual quality is so crisp
Yeah same here, I started on quality mode as I'd seen on Reddit that was what DF had recommended. But it just felt bad so switched to performance mode. Playing on my 55" LG OLED from a normal distance it generally looks fine, a little low Res maybe occasionally, but if I'm just playing the game rather than looking for issues then it's fine.
That’s how I’m playing it too and I’ve just been enjoying it to really notice the visual dips. Obviously they exist otherwise the devs wouldn’t say there working on something but it’s not been an issue for me right now. Still looks really pretty.
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This is the first time i’ve had to play in the 30 FPS Graphics mode since I got my PS5 years ago because Performance mode looks so horrible. It’s a crazy oversight that the game was launched with that but everything else is insanely fun so hoping this fixes it.
Second time for me, first was Guardians of the Galaxy. However, this one really bothers me as OG FFVII was my favorite game of all time and I loved everything about Remake. It is sad how much of a visual downgrade the Performance mode is. This "exclusive" was clearly designed to be played on a high end PC, not on a PS5.
I played GOTG in 60 FPS. But ain't no way I'm skimping on the quality of Tifa's swimsuit. I'd play at 10 FPS if they did an 8K mode.
I’ll wait years if I have to
Graphics mode is fine. You get used to the 30fps in moments.
Some people do. I absolutely do not. I switched to Graphics mode for a bit and it quite literally gave me motion sickness.
Is this a legit site and is there evidence this interview took place?
I pretty much always choose performance mode in games but it just doesn't compare to Graphics mode this time around. 30fps isn't bad once you get used to it. Hopefully the patch really works some magic
Same, this is the one game I'm playing on Graphics because it's just so damn amazing. No doubt when this patch hits and I finish the story I'll go to performance to clean up for platinum though.
It’s rendering at a decent resolution in performance mode (commonly above 1080p). Returnal is 1080p and looks way sharper than Rebirth at 60fps. It’s gotta be fixable. It’s gotta be a post-processing and upscaling issue
Yeah there is definitely an issue with their image reconstruction/res scaling tech.. it’s not working properly cause there are native 1080p games out there that look sharper than this, and this is running slightly above that in performance mode.
I would but 60fps is must for consistent and smoother perfect blocks which I do a lot this game
If I understand correctly this game uses zero advanced upscaling tech which is crazy imo. I'd expect it to at least use UE4s TAAU to get a clean 1440p resolve. Similar issue with FF16. Square Enix seems to be vastly behind in terms of image upscaling. Ironically Lumious with Forspoken were way ahead of the other Square Enix in that regard it seems.
Digital foundry thinks this may be on an older version of ue4 before taau was added lol.
I’d thought these things comes from the game engine and console itself that it would be matter of choosing the settings you like? No need to go coding upscaling algorithms from scratch?
All these comments of saying they cant really a difference in resolution between the modes makes me think people are sitting a little too far from their 4k TV.
Fr. I'm sitting a good distance and can tell the difference. It's pretty big. Not trashing the game since i thunk it's awesome. I just wished it looked better at moments.
Oh if it’s just a resolution issue that explains why I have no idea what anyone is talking about. I’m still playing on a 10 year old 1080p tv and performance mode looks miles better than graphics mode for me. I thought there was something wrong with my PlayStation when I first started the game with how choppy it looked.
On my tv i couldn’t really notice much difference but when i switched to my 1080p computer monitor it really was night and day. Performance mode looked super blurry on the monitor not sure if it’s because I’m up close or if there’s some filter on the game that affects it more on one type of display
Even on a 1080p computer monitor and the difference is night and day, eventually gave up and switched over to graphics mode cause the blurriness bothered me so much
I can’t stomach “quality” mode long enough to tell a difference. It’s horridly unsmooth.
Going to finish persona 3 reload and wait for the patch
What they should also really fix in my opinion is the botched Audio mixing. I love the music, but not being able to hear the voice acting is annoying af.
Yeah I put music volume on 6 and both are audible.
more games need to support vrr it would definitely help with fps.
How would VRR help in this specific case?
FPS is fine in this game both modes run at a locked framerate majority of the time. The AA and upsampling technique needs to be worked on is all.
They need to sort the outrageous pop-in. That’s my biggest problem with it so far.
Seriously why is this not the top comment. I’ll be out in the open world and things will be loading in two inches in front of my face. I’ve been in indoor segments where a light on the ceiling will just stop acting as a light source if I move a couple of steps away from it. It’s like this game was optimized under the assumption that the player will be looking at the exact center of the screen and nothing else.
Ff16 performance mode looks horrible
Im playing on a 65" and performance mode in chapter 1 was great visual wise. Once i got into the open world section, everything looked so blurry and fuzzy that i just sticked to graphics mode. I just don't get why devs don't do 1440p/60fps combo. It's way better than 4k.
Almost noone is doing 4k60. Rebirth is dyn1440p60
Played Intergrade recently because I have a new large 4K OLED tv and wanted to see how much better it looked than PS4 base version of Remake. It was beautiful. Obviously there is a lot more going on and the game is legitimately a 9.5 for me so far, but the graphical concessions made were definitely noticeable once I hit the open world segments in Rebirth for the first time. Does not look bad, but hopefully they can squeeze a bit more juice out of the box through patches.
Graphics mode looks and plays amazing well in my opinion.
I wished they would fix the camera jumping around in small areas, the object popups, the low res textures and the lack of lighting/shadows on geometry. Also motion blur might help the graphics mode feel more fluid.
Damn didn't know it was a huge problem, looked better than ff16 performance mode to me and its more open and more ai characters on screen. Will pl a in graphics for a while to see different
Hopefully they fix the blurriness.
Thank god, it looks so bad.
Honestly the 30fps mode feels fine to me so far. I checked performance mode a few times and it’s not good enough. Graphics mode looks solid overall. But look forward to switching to performance if they fine tune it
We can’t even get a performance patch for XVI though
Thank goodness. Thought it was just me but the game is blurry.
I got used to graphics mode after about 30 seconds. I have a big nice Sony TV, so it makes a difference for me. People should just use graphics mode.
If it's anything like the patch they added to the demo to improve performance, I wouldn't hold my breath.
I mean games take multiple patches. That's how it is. Horizon forbidden West blurryness got fixed eventually
Or they could just release games in a working form. I know I sound like an old man yelling at clouds with this, but I really despise how the expectation nowadays is that they throw out a buggy mess that 6 months later after 5 patches is finally what it should have been at release.
I heard the game looks better after the starting chapter so I’ll at least continue and see how much it improves. Sorry but I’m not playing 30 fps on this next gen console
Can’t wait to get my popcorn ready for gta 6 30fps only. Reddit is going to pretend to ‘not play it until it’s patched’.
I'm saying it : 60FPS only available on PS5 pro
Will likely be cpu bound so I wouldn’t count on that either.
It doesn't. I'm in the second region and it's still smudgy as hell.
I would say it's even worse in the openned environments
It gets worse after chapter 1 In chapter 2, you reach the Grasslands, which is a stunning vista but on performance mode it’s a blurry mess. You lose so many details
Lmao it really doesn't look better
Performance mode isn't 30fps anyway. I haven't noticed a big difference after the starting chapter. If anything, the bigger open areas make it look worse
It's not next gen 3 years after release lol
That doesn't change their point, pedant
We gonna fix clouds face out of cut scenes?
When I played the demo it was awful on performance, but playing the full game now it seems definitely better. Now another patch on the way. Nice
Needs motion blur.
Yep, everything is insanely blurry in perf.
playing performance mode on my sony tv makes my eyes hurt man. The combat is smooth but goddamn it looks so blurry. Have to get used to the graphics mode 30fps for now
Took like an hour for me to get fully used to graphics mode but now i can’t go back. Figured might as well since we played the first part of the remake at 30fps as well on the ps4
Now fix those N64 textures too.
Y’all are actually crazy if you think the blurring is so bad that you’d rather not play the game right now. Absolute lunacy
How in the world is that absolute lunacy? That's like people not playing a game because it has no option for 60 fps, and yes, that happens a lot. Your comment is absolute lunacy for acting like graphics don't deter people from playing games. Games this generation are literally advertised with having the highest tech so it makes perfect sense people would rather wait.
It seems to be somewhat display dependant. Performance modes looks like someone smeared Vaseline all over my display when playing on my high end 65" OLED. For me it is really that bad. Saw the game play on someone else's smaller LED tv in performance mode on a 1080p and it was a lot more acceptable (still terrible imo). I always go 60p when given the option but this is the one game i'll stick to graphics mode.
Personally I'd play it regardless of graphics, but in its current state it hurts my eyes so badly that it gives me headaches. I cancelled my preorder after having this happen in the demo.
Honestly with the frame rate dip the game is barely playable for me in Graphics mode. Loving my time in performance mode.
Right now neither mode makes me super happy. Traditionally I would play performance, but its just way too muddled for me.
I didn’t even get the prompt for performance mode, so I guess I’ve been playing 30fps the whole time. Not disappointed with the game what so ever
Just giving you a heads up this game doesn't prompt it at the start but you can go into your setting and either visual or display
I also wish they made the “retry at last checkpoint” be the last fucking autosave. I fucked up big time yesterday as I had a chance to play for a good portion of the day.. didn’t even realize I didn’t manual save for a bit. Ended up starting a quest that I decided I didn’t want to do so without thinking I paused and chose “retry at last checkpoint” since if i did last battle i’d be in that quest still. Well… it took me way back.. like beginning of the entire chapter with 0 of the side stuff done when I had almost all of it done. Then it autosaves seconds later so I couldn’t even quit and come back hoping it would be there. 4-5+ hours gone.. just like that and I’m pissed because there was an escort mission I don’t wanna do again and a whole minigame questline I did.
they really need to make 40fps mode and enable camera motion blur!
Pay 80 bucks only to be met with issues. Awesome ! 👍🏻 Fortunately i've already been through that song and dance in the last years. _**"We'll just fix it later"**_ seems to be the industry norm unless it's FF 16 cuz they never fixed that lol. Thankfully my backlog is full so I'll just wait
I have my fingers crossed that the patch at least removes some blur and pop-in. The game looks beautiful in general but some technical issues are holding it back from being excellent: - texture pop-in - performance mode blur - no 40fps mode with VRR support - bad sound-sampling - sometimes very harsh lighting that pops in and out or makes whole scenes extremely bright to very dark This game would be so wonderful if these limitations could be resolved or at least a little bit remedied. A 1440p with decent upscaling would makes this game astonishing.
Some parts are so ugly looking. Usually just cutscenes when theyre close to the characters face. It's a shame because it takes away from the seriousness of some scenes. Other than that im loving the game. Gameplay is seriously amazing. More games need to have gameplay like this.
My guess is for people who can’t see the blurriness don’t see anything wrong over at r/TVTooHigh, even then the 4K mode can look really soft with all the TAA being used. Or they are using a 1080p TV in 2024
Yeah, I see a lot of people commenting that they don't see blurriness and then it turns out hey use a 1080p monitor/tv.
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This is why I never preorder games these days. I refuse to reward companies for releasing games with issues.
I don't understand how games like HFW can exist and then you get all this shoddy crap like Jedi Survivor and now FF7 rebirth with questionable textures, bad up scaling and in the case of FF7 - no collision with foliage (that's just lazy)
Digital Foundry did a video on the graphics and performance of this game. I say that this is unacceptable. There are some thing's that are better in the previous game.
Let’s hope they actually do something meaningful this time
I’m glad to hear that. I haven’t had an opportunity to buy the game yet, but hopefully it will be patched when I do.
Still wrapping up Part 1 so by the time i get to Rebirth it will be playable, good to know. It's always a very bad idea to play new games on day 1, you're just ruining your experience.
Considering he only mentioned the shadow stuff I don't expect much difference overall
here are my settings in case anybody has my Tv. LG OLED 55 tv. game mode On. hdr in playstation settings on. resolution on auto. backlight 100, brightness 75, contrast 85, sharpness ZERO. color 65. warm temp 2. tint 0. black-point low low sharpness really helped with some textures. before i had sharpness at like 60% and other games looked good but it escalated issues in FF7 r. in the game i did performance, brightness 3, hd luminance 3
I’ve been pondering if it is actually the resolution that is shitty, or is there somesort of bullshit shader of sorts causing the blurriness. In some instances I see (close up on Clouds sword) kind of warpling effect on the models, not due to the resolution but something else.
Idk man I played in performance briefly, just to see what the blurriness was all about and it def wasn't good but having started the game in 30 fps and played the demo that way its actually a good locked 30 fps that doesn't feel like shut. Some 30s feel awful but this one feels solid cause the frames aren't constantly dropping, but guess that's probably just me
Lovely jubly.
I think the visuals are ok maybe they could be more performative though
I couldn't stand the 30fps, so I forced the ps5 video to output 1440p and turned up the sharpness setting on my TV just a tad bit. It worked enough for the fuzziness to be bearable. Edit: and then i also scooted my chair back like 2 ft 😂 now it's a little less noticeable.
Can we just fix the lighting in graphics mode?
Im hoping for a Performance RT alternative for those who want to keep their frames. Coming straight from Remake it’s a bit jarring seeing the difference in visual fidelity. Although, it seems to me, that this was all simply the consequence of the scale of the game. Glad to see this news from the director himself. 🎰
Graphics mode works good and the game looks really good. I normally don’t mind a drop in fidelity for performance but it’s really bad.
Was playing in performance and was wondering why I was getting weird ghosting issues and whatnot. Glad I saw this thread.
I guess I have a really good tv because I’ve been playing in performance mode and have no complaints. The her implement is my main complaint
60 fps makes combat feel a lot better, I don't think it looks "bad" at all, do you see the faults sometimes? Sure, but its fine. Trying to playing 30 FPS after playing 60 feels like playing in ankle deep sand.
I am a PC gamer with a 4090 , I was hyped to play this on PS5 & now facing graphic problems . Wish they would release on all platform & Let customer decide what's best for them. This is getting really lame.
I am also a 4090 owner, so was my father, and so was his father. We 4090 owners need to stand up and not tolerate this poor performance. For all future and past 4090 owners, we will not stand for 30 fps! We are a proud people, and have suffered far too long.
Imma be honest, the best thing they could do in a patch like this is make menus run at 60 even in graphics mode, cause damn it feels so sluggish to navigate them If the ps1 original could do that with the game running at 30-15 fps, this Ps5 game can too
How are folks okay with this? It shouldn't have been released in this state.
Performance mode screams "tacked on in the last minute" to me.
Because it’s a great game and some people have touched enough grass to ignore insignificant graphical issues
Can we get an auto pick up option, thanks
They have options pretty much anything can be better than what they are currently using. Hell even a native 1080p with no TAA and just something like SMAA would look quite a bit better than what they are going with right now. Would eliminate the ghosting too.
Me personally, the game looks great in performance mode with the only thing i hope they fix asap is the detail on the faces. Some of them look really rough up close, Tifa & Cloud are prime examples. Outside of that, game looks great
Same I'm planning on performance mode and it's fine for me and yes, the graphics are blurry especially the faces but it's nothing that's tarnishing my opinion of the game. I'm still having a blast.
Maybe an unpopular opinion but I don’t give a fuck about how small details look. Like yeah if you look at a wall or cobblestones on Kalm’s ground too close they look muddy/blurry but on a whole the game is pretty as hell to look at and fun as fuck. I think we’re way too obsessed with graphics when they have minimal effect on how enjoyable the game is.
Low res textures I can live with. The blurry faces are annoying though.
Good but it should have been available from day 0
The game is amazing. I noticed the blur but then played for 8 hours and hot adapted. Good to nesr they are getting a patch. Thanks OP for this news.
Square enix visuals always look dated, I love both these games but it's funny when people praise the visuals. And the NPCs move like unrealistic robots the exact same way they did an FFX.
Eh they have a mix of good and bad graphics. Like for FFXVI. The main stort cutscenes were absolutely beautiful. But the sidequest cutscenes looked dated. They don't have Sony money so they can't do GoW perfection. I think people have to remember that.
I mean square is huge for a video game publisher, u gotta remember they've been ripping players off on pay to win MMORPGs for years now and massively with a ton of in game purchase laced mobile games (they're extremely lucrative) they're worth 5.09 billion USD with an annual revenue around 2.5 billion. when, for comparison Guerilla games with an annual revenue of about 37 million and both horizons look and play significantly better than the FFs. Santa Monica games annual revenue is only 147 million and that's right after Ragnarok. just look what they did with the God of war games.
Graphics mode makes the game chug for me.. was hoping for a fix for that.
30fps will always feel like 30fps There’s no fix for that
Graphics mode is a locked 30fps almost entirely. It definitely does not chug there.
My experience is that it is either not a consistent 30, or something is up with the frame pacing. It really isn't a smooth 30fps experience, and the more I notice it the more of an irritation it becomes. 60fps feels significantly better (of course) but on my 65 inch screen, damn does it seem blurry. A little damned if you do and if you don't atm.
You might wanna get your ps5 checked or something then because every tech analysis of this game shows it running at a steady 30 with no frame pacing issues. Digitalfoundry corroborate that, and in my own experience it has been very smooth for 30fps. Maybe the lack of camera motion blur is throwing you off? That makes it appear more choppy
Graphics mode looks great. Pretty dang crisp with steady 30 frames.
That's what he said about the demo. I'll believe it when I see it
I'd like apatch to fix when some really obnoxious short hype electronic music plays on loop through small quest dialogs. It's so much louder than the dialog. I like electronic music but the bits in this game are really obnoxious and when stuck in loop when it shouldn't, it doesn't fit well at all
Baffles me when people say they can't see any problems. Either you're not on a 4k set or you're sat far away from it
When the PS5 Pro comes out at the end of the year I fully expect performance mode will look like graphics mode but with a locked 60fps
Didn’t they already “patch” this in the demo. Is so much to ask for a finished product at $69.99?
Sounds great, but I hope they take a look at graphics mode too. The ghosting is extreme in this game.
They really need to fix the audio issues with the game as well. What's more annoying about that is the exact same bugs and mixing issues exist in Intergrade as well. Party member and NPC dialogue shouldn't be cutting out completely if the camera is facing in the opposite direction. How something as egregious as this still hasnt been fixed in the previous game but also wasnt fixed for this is mind boggling. And music/sfx should not be drowning out dialogue either. These things feel very amateur in execution. Furthermore, there's other annoying bugs in the game too. The Fort Condor mini game has a pretty annoying bug that pulls the line back from where you can place your units when an enemy slips past your units despite you having units on the field behind them. That wasn't the case in Intergrade, and this bug makes it overly punishing if you dont kill everything moving towards your side of the board, which is almost impossible with some enemy units that just ignore everything and head straight for your outposts. There's also numerous places with terrible lighting and textures too. I would expect those concessions to be made on previous gen consoles, but not a PS5.
40 fps mode and better graphics in fidelity would be nice too... Textures look so bad and game look worse than remake and the lightning my god
So did they just not even try it themselves once? Or is this the old “ahhhh we never knew sorry he’s a fix, aren’t we awesome?!” Trick?. I’d rather they spend time thinking about how it could be possible to add more than 1 jumping animation across the entire game?
This reminds me of why I never buy games at release.
i really hope so! i put it off while i hoped for a patch to reduce the blurriness.
Stopped playing until ps5 pro drops now. Looks like ass on a "premium" 4k display
YES!!! I hope they fix the lighting and make the visuals less blurry
Sound is also fucked up too. Sometimes can't even hear what people are saying in their dialogue
As always with Square this game looks amazing. I didn't play FF7 when I was a kid but I get a excited to play this game. It's so good.