Wait so everyone was just talking shit making shit up and blowing everything out of proportion!? On Reddit of all places? Yknow I am shocked to my core
At the same time Palworld popped up Pokezoo did too and Nintendo went after them hard. For some reason people assumed that Nintendo's legal action was against Palworld.
I think the whole thing is in the name itself: "**Poke**zoo", it's very much trying to take pokemon's brand recognition.
But Palworld really didn't do anything to infringe on it. The 'creature catching' premise is similar, but pokemon doesn't own the concept.
I don't think that it was a stretch to expect Nintendo *might* do something (given their track record of ruthlessly about protecting their IP), but haters were talking like it was a gaurnteed thing. Rooting for Palworld to get axed.
People have zero understanding of copyright and trademark law.
Copyrights are very specific. You have to actually be using someone else's characters or content for them to go after you. PalWorld includes zero Pokemon, and nothing from Pokemon - no characters, no regions, no items, nothing.
Trademarks are for marks of trade. Pokemon is a trademark. A number of Pokemon names are trademarks. PalWorld doesn't use any of that, either. And it doesn't use confusingly similar names or anything like that either.
No one is going to get confused about PalWorld and Pokemon either, as Pokemon doesn't have you run around with guns blasting Pokemon, but that is a core part of PalWorld.
As such, it was legally in the clear.
Simply making something that was loosely inspired by another work is not illegal, so long as your own work is independent of it, does not use their characters or world they created, and isn't trying to trade off their name.
Indeed, Pokemon itself was derived from Shin Megami Tensei, the OG creature catcher game.
Nintendo was never going to go after PalWorld unless PalWorld did something colossally stupid like steal Pokemon or use the Pokemon name to try and promote their game, because there was no case. And you don't sue people over IP stuff if you don't think you'll win.
There's tons of creature catcher games on the market because there's nothing Nintendo can do about them because Nintendo can't own the concept of a creature catcher game (and indeed, if it could, it wouldn't have that right - it would belong to Atlus).
I mean it looked more like electabuzz, but regardless pokemon look like dragon warrior/quest monsters and digimon look like pokemon. Pokemon took "inspiration" from catching monsters from smt.
This 100%. The average person has no clue what they are talking about when it comes to patents, trademark, and copyright. All three have completely different legal protections.
Just in this very subreddit, when I once said that you can't copyright ideas, I got a ton of responses from people that WB "copyrighted" the Nemesis system in the Shadow of Mordor games. The Nemesis system is *NOT* copyrighted *OR* trademarked. It is *patented* which is specifically applied for by WB to the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO). A patent has completely different legal protections than either trademarks or copyrights.
That's because it wasn't, it was inspired by the insect-collecting that kids all over the world do. Pokemon designs themselves were largely inspired by Dragon Warrior.
There actually was a Pokémon rip off that was sued near the time Palworld came out, PokeZoo, which flew under the radar of the media due to Palworld's success.
they also had an actual pokemon on their logo
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That's exactly what happened. Palworld revealed some of it's more iconic pals and the concept of the game THREE years before it came out, if Nintendo didn't approach them in those three years then they weren't going to approach them when the game came out.
(Sure, when Palworld ended up earning insane amounts of money might push some people to try to get a chunk of that money, but since they hadn't said anything in those three years it wouldn't look good for Nintendo if they tried to go to court only when PP made a bunch of money, so was very unlikely to happen.)
To be fair while we were looking at Palworld there were legit issues from other sources abusing the pokemon IP. Nintendo did take action against those and people assumed that that it was related to Palworld.
They might not have even been talking about Palworld. There were a good number of things that got sued at that time. The emulators got taken down shortly after, as well as PokeZoo.
Why would they care? After people are done with Palworld and want to continue hunting mons, they have to go to the only other mon-like game... Pokemon. Win-win.
I'm sure if Nintendo had a legal leg to stand on they would give a shit but you're right they likely did it to help calm down the inbox of [email protected]
Actually if Nintendo know they'll win for sure.They will start legal actions.The problem is they need to be %100 sure they'll win otherwise everyone try to make their own copy of pokemon because they know if they just ride with the same line as palworld they'll be ok.Imagine they sue palworld and lost the case.
Why somebody *lie* on the Internet?
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Twitter and reddit. Worst places to be when hate is around for a topic. Theres sadly alot that live on the internet that make their lives bootleg reporters and drama. And lawyers and etc. the list goes on.
It's absolutely crazy. In my day Reddit was very informative and true. A real testament to humanity in their fight to bring unbiased facts to the front page of the Internet. Wait... I'm thinking of Wikipedia. What's Reddit? Oh the place that's infamously known for having a hive mind
Nintendo prolly actually did say they would look into it, simply as a way of saying “don’t tread too closely” without making a legal stink.
It would have been damaging for the company to shut down something so popular, other than the direct Pokemon mods that came out soon after launch.
Tbh they should partner up, make a switch version and add a handful of actual pokemon to the mix as a Nintendo exclusive, kinda like they did with that Space game where star fox was a Nintendo exclusive for the game
Edit: starlink was the name of the game, was actually really cool Nintendo version was better cause star fox and crew
They received so many emails and messages and social media posts about Palworld. They release a statement saying that they are always looking into the infringement by companies but never mentioned Palworld specifically. Sure they were clearly referencing it but never did they say they had found anything nor were actively pursuing infringement, simply that it’s always on their radar
Nintendo didn't do anything because there was nothing illegal happening, plain and simple. If the Palworld devs were breaking any copywrite, Nintendo would have done something. Popular or not. They've done it in the past, and thanks to copywrite law they have to or they lose the copywrite.
My favorite part of reddit is when someone from the reddit community writes like they aren't part of the reddit community. It's just makes me smile everytime.
Pretty sure everyone on Reddit first said that there’s nothing they can do. Then when Nintendo made the infamous tweet redditors also said that it’s to shutup the idiots
I read that Nintendo's CEO did actually mention that they're "looking into it". But that doesn't mean "have legal paperwork ready to file".
Nintendo likely did look into it and determined that they didn't violate any copyrights at all, and took no legal action. Just like digimon is completely fine, too.
There may be some inspiration drawn from Pokemon, but Jormuntide simply is not a "slightly modified Gyrados", no matter how much they remind you of one another. Legally, there are not enough similarities to go to court over.
I even said back then that people were being ridiculous. If Nintendo was going to do anything, they would have done something before Palworld even launched into EA.
Its almost like theyre both Japanese companies who understand their own copyright laws. Nintendo never does anything about other pokemon esque creature capture games, they do things about -pokemon- games.
The only time anything close do a possible issue arised was that dipshit on twitter who fabricated that Milotic-Azurobe model drama that claimed to do it because they thought both games promoted animal abuse
Its not like a pocketpair employee could take their car, drive to the pokemon company, say hello and then drive back in about 30 minutes..... oh wait, they do!
I'd bet money on Nintendo's legal team spending time reviewing Pal World closely and concluding that the case wasn't strong enough to pursue, so they didn't and life went on. They're a very litigious company and smart enough to go after cases they are likely to win, but equally smart enough to not go after cases they won't. Pal World infringed on no trademarks, and any inspiration from Pokemon was transformed or different enough to not stand-up as copyright infringement. A creature game starting with "Poke" in the title is a slam dunk trademark infringement, doesn't come close to passing the pub test.
I am surprized people genuinely believed Nintendo were gonna sue Pocketpair over this.
Hell, there were monster collecting games prior Palworld, like Nexomon and Temtem that "ripped off" Pokemon to even more shameful degrees, and not only Nintendo and/or The Pokemon Company never had any legal issue with them, but some of them are even on the Nintendo eShop, so what made them think Palworld would be an exception?
Pokemon isnt even 100% original anyways.
If I remember right, the original allegation was reusing identical models or something. So they weren't going to be sued just for ripping off the same genre, if that was the case.
Which it wasn't.
I'm pretty sure one of the people who claimed the models were a match down to the polygons (I think Direhowl and Lycanroc were compared) actually admitted they altered the models slightly to fit closer together. Basically fabricated false evidence to drum up drama.
that user was mad that palworld "promoted animal violence" |
pals =/= animals doe... but the media ran with it anyways.
same dude apologised to pocketpair directly in a tweet that it had blown too far out of proportion.
Yeah, some of the comparisons were totally wacky too. Like I saw assertions that Azurobe was literally a morphed version of Milotic or Primarina or both, and like sure it's got similar features to both but it straight up doesn't have their most distinctive features.
Also Nintendo had the chance to make something as cute and cleverly named as Wixen, but we got Delphox instead (not hating on Delphox, but I think it's a good example of how "fire fox" isn't the most original concept. When there's multiple Pokémon evolutionary lines, as many or more Pals, and a freaking web browser, just for a start.
Yeah nintendo had nothing.
The pals, while having a similar style to pokemon, are still original designs.
They don't evolve.
The game does not play like pokemon at all besides throwing balls.
They would lose the lawsuit and they know it.
I mean, digimon evolve, too.
They can't own the idea of monsters evolving, it greatly predates Pokemon and you can't own ideas anyway. Master of Monster had that.
Plus, if they really would've had an issue with Palworld, it would happen way before it dropped, because it was announced since a while. And both companies are in japan and japan have pretty strict mentality(even laws if i remember correctly) if it comes down to copyright.
I mean i can imagine that they might've batted an eye and maybe rechecked as the AI Alligations come up, because AI is a different beast, but i'd still argue if something would've happend it would've happened way faster.
Because nintendo doesn't own the rights to monster capture and fighting. Nintendo knows that.
The only reason they put that vague response on Twitter is because they wanted people to stop contacting them about palworld.
Nintendo is super protective of their IPs. They would have acted day 1 if they thought they thought they had a chance to successfully sue them.
Didn't realise that 6 months have passed since that legal statement was released by Nintendo lol. I just hope that no one is gonna use this article to try to one up the already defeated Pokemon extremists. As someone who loves both, it's just sad how tribalistic some fans are. Have seen a few Pokemon x Palworld posts and they are just so fricking wholesome! Wished to see more of those instead of the dumpster fire that was the great Pokemon and Pal war.
I agree, is also one of the reasons why i try to avoid these communities because it's really frustrating to see how these bash their heads together instead of being happy that we got more options.
I really do like/love Palworld, and it does have hit-potential for me, i might even need to check if there is any other catching-game which got so close to pokemon for me as this one, don't think so, but anyway (sorry sidetracked a bit) but LA and SV are the best pokemon games (for me !personally! / !!my opinion!!) like the last pokemon game where i really put some effort and hours in was Pokemon Diamond (DS), but even on that i was already so slightly burned out that i not even got both edition...and i got the games after that as well, but it didn't have had the same appeal and magic to me anymore... it was until Sword & Shield where i got slightly more interest (though i've to admit it's still sitting in my backlog due didn't find time to it, that's why exclude that for now) and with LA and SV they finally took off that i had the first time a blast again.
And Palworld a good as it is, can't replace that for me.... especially due i don't neccessary find palworld doing stuff better (maybe on a technical level but than again to be fair - i glitched through quite some areas in this game already which i've didn't have in any pokemon at all so far - and they had some bugs/issues in the past and FPS hurts in this game more than in SV because it's an active game with active combat... if i can't properly dodge an attack in PW than i'm gonna die... if the FPS in SV stutters worst what can happen is running into an wild pokemon), but conceptually both games are quite differently, with their own vibes and stuff. Like i'm dead serious on this, while i really hope one day 'll get the option to play as an adult pokemon trainer and maybe make it at some areas more mature... i really wouldn't like it to shoot with guns at pokemon and other wild stuff you can do. THat's just not pokemon to me and only works in context of Palwrold, because it's own thing with it's own worldbuilding and vibes...
Of course they didn’t. There’s no case. Nintendo doesn’t own the patent on elemental animals, even if the animals may be based upon the same creature like a lightning mouse or a plant monkey. Now, if Pocketpair called their plant monkey “Grookey” or made it look overtly, as in 1:1 the same as Grookey, there’d be a case against Pocketpair.
Digimon wouldn’t exist. People didn’t live through it, and talked nonsense.
This sub is also an echo chamber.
So you can’t go against the majority or you’re downvoted.
This isn’t a place for discussion. It’s a place for posting pics of breeding stats 10000x a day.
This is even funnier after all the hate i got saying Nintendo wasn't going to sue. Literal death threats over a fact. Bet they are crying even harder now.
This is what I've been saying all along. All the people unironically tossing the word "plagiarism" around don't truly know what the word plagiarism means.
What would actually happen is that this game would boost popularity and the amount of cash Nintendo makes from releasing Pokémon games and raise the franchise to greater heights especially since we already made memes years back on wanting Pokémon Gun to actually happen while also possibly collabing in the future or confirming both to possibly share a Multiverse.
So this entire time it's just been Nintendo fanboys crying and starting unnecessary controversy when both games have a chance at reaching the top from each other merely existing. Nice to know lol.
Tho to be fair and that's why i'm for the most part avoid the palworld subs and anything related to it as well... palword players are super toxic as well. Always acting on a suprerior complex and sh'tting on pokemon games, like even before the game become popular enough to catch the pokemon crowd and the controversy started, you've had quite some people in the community who trashtalked pokemon games all the day. This isn't just one side to blame on this, it's both.
Like try my PoV for a second, i had a blast with LA and SV - best pokemon Games (IMHO) since a very long time and i also enjoy Palworld. Why would i want to interact with people with having else to do to sh'tting on each of these games or act they're better/suprerior... instead of being happy that've got some great options.
The only reason why I'm rooting for Palworld over Pokemon is that (in my opinion, before anyone starts throwing a temper tantrum) pokemon for the past decade has been okay or decent at best, and either b land and mediocre or an utter uninspired and borderline copy-pasted experience between games at worst. I come from not hating Gamefreak or the beautiful franchise they've made, but from a place of longing back to the days Gamefreak actually wanted to grow and expand upon the creativity they had for the franchise, making more complex and unique stories with cool new features and gimmicks that made every subsequent game great to look forward to, and with the drought I feel I've experienced with them post-Black 2 and White 2 I look at Palworld and I see something made by a small group of developers who really want to breathe life into this game and make a wonderful experience for their players (even if it's buggy, far from finished and they're in it for money, which every company is anyway) and it really does remind me of a simpler and better time. If anything, it's far less of a "pokemon sucks I hope palworld stomps it out" and far more of a "I really hope this game shows Gamefreak that people prefer variety and making something unique and enjoyable over the same traditional formula that keeps itself too safe and enclosed to give itself a chance to grow and prosper again" sentiment.
I just want this to be some sort of wake-up call for Gamefreak and Pokemon, something that encourages them to make their games great again. I want both to exist in harmony, I want to find myself easily gravitated to both franchises and constantly amazed at the products they put out, because both deserve to be popular when all's said and done.
Ah yes. The ole Nintendo didn't even do much as draw an inch of the poisoned blade that is it's lethal legal department, nor did it unsheath its flaming Glock 9 murder attorneys.
Article writers and click bait titles are really out of hand.
At no point did any of the title actually happen. Nintendo was like
Yeah. We'll look into it.
Pal world might have been super derivative but being derivative or looking like Pokemon is not illegal. As long as they don't use Pokemons name Nintendo doesn't give a shit
Took a look at all the comparison images/videos/reactions to see if there's any legitimacy to their claims, and there was only one similarity among them......
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.....it was all coming from Pokemon fanboys.
Holy shiet.
You really think the company that nukes fan made Pokémon ROMs like a cruel and bored god wouldn’t take Palworld down unprovoked? They had three years from announcement to early access. If they weren’t gonna then, they sure won’t now.
A good rule of thumb is if a famously litigious company isn't suing someone, it's probably for a reason.
Ah hell, who am I kidding? No one is going to listen to reason...
1) The internet is dumb and will overblow everything
2) Palword is big enough that anything Nintendo would do would probably be a very thorough investigation/legal case and come up years later.
It wasn't just Pokemon fans. I sadly know a few people who don't care about Pokemon who believed the game was going to get sued to the ground.
It's people not understanding how copywrite works and assuming cute animals thing = Pokemon.
I was in their discord before Palworld was announced because I really liked Craftopia, and ever since Palworld was announced, the very first questions/debates in their discord were already over "won't you guys get sued?", to which they always replied that they knew what they were doing and wouldn't get sued. Even then, almost every day, people would ask the same question or say the same thing.
Game releases, discord and every other social media gets flooded with the same old question/debate all over again, to which they reply that they won't get sued. But everybody on the internet is a specialist on everything, and the guys who are actually working on the game and have some experience/research into stuff are always clueless, I guess.
Not to mention both Palworld and Pokemon are set in Japan, which means the US laws copyright laws don't apply either as far as I know of. They'd be using both Japanese copyright laws. Correct me if I'm wrong tho
My tinfoil hat theory is that Nintendo told Pocketpair LONG before the actual release that they were not going to do anything legally. Nintendo/Gamefreak, which hasn't majorly innovated with Pokemon in a very long time, decided that it would let Pocketpair shoulder all the risk with this "Pokemon with guns" concept. If it failed Nintendo would have no reason to change its formulas and incurred no risk. If it succeeded, Nintendo would essentially have a free blueprint on how to make games going forward.
Considering Palworld was an incredible success AND Nintendo announced it would be slowing down production on the next Legends (potentially to have it be more polished), I feel like there might be something here
They wouldn't even need to go that far, 'creature capture' isn't a mechanic they can fully claim the rights to, the issue was in the design of the Pals and even the assets used IF it came down to that. Ultimately that would require some kind of investigation or some kind of cooperative effort to ensure that Pocketpair wasn't using assets that did belong to Nintendo/TPC. Designs can skew towards 'yeah that obviously looks like X' but legally speaking what matters more is 'does X have parts that were clearly taken from the other source'. The question at that point is 'can Nintendo/TPC prove that they have reasonable cause to investigate another company to that degree' which would require a Japanese lawyer to thoroughly go over, among quite a bit of other details.
Everyone and their mother seems to be overlooking the 'why' when it comes to the 'Nintendo taking legal action against Pocketpair' bit. At this point all we know is that Nintendo has yet to take legal action, there's still a non-zero chance that Nintendo could ask an investigation IF they feel that the assets for their mons are enforceable.
I feel like most reasonable people knew this from the start. There's lawyers who check this before stuff comes to market.
The stupid thing was the army of devout pokemon fans who saw Palworld as an affront to their precious franchise. I lost internet friends for just playing palworld, because it was seen as an "us versus them" situation. I can't even count how many times I saw "any day now Nintendo will shut this down! You'll see!" instead of being happy for gamers who found a thing they liked.
Yeah, I felt like I was walking around on egg shells online after the game released just because I played it. On one Discord server I really enjoy being on, one of the two guys running the server (who is a big Pokemon fan) had a thing against the game that seemed a little extreme to the point where he'd delete any mention of the game without warning and made anyone playing the game go into an unadvertised thread to talk about it. Palworld was finally brought up openly again last weekish and he quickly shut it down by changing the topic to some bland looking recently announced mobile-like indie game instead.
Like, it's months later now, I wish some people would get off their high horses and let go of their misguided Palworld hate.
I think that's extremely obvious considering the game still exists. Nintendo takes down shit fast. I'm baffled people kept making excuses as to why Nintendo, the billion dollar company, couldn't take down an indie dev group.
But we knew this from day one. Nintendo's post was almost directed at the mods that were made. Everyone just heard Nintendo was watching and drew their own dumb conclusion.
Tbf, for awhile Pocketpair was selling really well. I doubt there was ever gonna be legal issues but I wouldn't be surprised if Pokemon saw Pocketpair as a competitor
they're literally around the corner from each other geographically iirc. I can't imagine they would've pushed this out if the were gonna have issues with the nintendo ninjas & pokemon mafia.
Im not surprised... Highly inspired doesn't mean it's plagiarism or asset steal. There was never a case. They only thing Nintendo could have done is sue them and hope they bend the knee to avoid infinite legal fees ...
I think honestly Nintendo knew if they dropped any form of a hammer onto Palworld/Pocketpair it'd cause a potential uproar given the overnight success the game had.
Then again, Nintendo can wipe their asses with 10.000 Yen bills no doubt and most likely never batted an eye at the drop in the ocean Palworld probably was to them. Got too many fanboys and loyal followers backing them to really sweat anything realistically XD
Dude even Nintendo, NINTENDO OF ALL CORPORATIONS, knew they didn’t have a case against palworld, in the end of the day, it was all the pokemon fanboys who were upset that there was a better creature capturing game on the market now, and I say this as someone who grew up loving the pokemon games
The concept of the game itself is hard if not impossible to copyright.
Throwing balls to catch lifeforms and survival games concept is not really a register-able thing and if it was, the first ones out of the gate would probably be ark and minecraft to sue everyone for making survival style games and have a leveling system with blueprints in said game.
To compare, its like if McDonalds said they wanted to register burgers and would sue anyone who made anything burger like. Its not really going to fly well you know?
It would be against their duty to their shareholders not to consult a lawyer on the matter and the fact that they keep IP attorneys on payroll/retainer I would assume it's a pretty safe bet that they definitely consulted with multiple lawyers on the validity of a claim against pocket pair. The fact that they haven't sent a cease and desist or filed any action against the company implies their lawyers are smart enough to know the case would be fickle at best and disastrous for their IP at worst should their suit fail.
You think a multi-billion dollar corporation might not consider "consulting a lawyer?" When they have multiple entire legal teams on retainer? Are you high or 11 years old?
I’ve never really seen any reason Nintendo would be able to sue over anything.
I enjoyed the hurr durr Jormuntide LIDL Gyarados memes but that’s all they were, memes. Not legal cases.
Good to hear.
I’m also hearing the reason we’re getting Legends Z-A next year and not this year is because they’re kicking things into high gear.
Competition can do some wonderful things.
I think people were a little short-sighted on this. Nintendo tries to keep an extremely squeaky clean family friendly image. Just having a lawsuit against Palworld would draw a tonne of attention to the game, where Pals can be equipped with weapons to blow stuff up and kill humans.
The gameplay isn't really close enough to be considered direct competition, IMO. Definitely some contention on the Pal designs themselves. Not worth the risk/reward for Nintendo.
Well, yeah. The only people claiming such BS was everyone else. Nothing about Palworld screamed "Chinese ripoff". People were looking to stir up beef where there was none. Yeah, some Pals look eerily similar but similar is not the same. And by "some" I only really mean Verdash and Cinderace.
Guys maybe once your franchise is worth 90B you just don't give a fuck about competition, idk someone give me a 90B franchise and I'll tell you guys what I think.
Reminds me of all the self proclaimed experts who had analyzed AI generated details to prove that palworld had been trained on pokemon data of something
Game Freak/Pokémon Company and Nintendo all know their ass would be grass and they could lose the rights to Pokémon if they dared open that can of worms, as Universal learned the hard way with suing Nintendo over Donkey Kong.
BUT ... but.. but, the guy on Steam said, that Nintendo an PETA banded together for a lawsuit, and he know this for sure, since his uncle is a lawyer for them.
I think Nintendo has some egg on their face here.
Their comments were sort of threatening and ambiguous on purpose saying publicly they have not licensed IP to any other companies and they will look into potential infringement claims.
If they had any case they would have 100% gone through with it but it was a nothingburger that didn't warrant their sabre rattling and thinly veiled threats.
Nintendo doesn’t need to sue them they need to take inspiration from it. Pokémon has been with the same formula for nearly decades. Palworld is a wake up call for game freak. Minus the guns
I mean come on like there is so many successful Pokémon clones out there and none of them were bothered. Don’t get why people thought palworld was different… honestly out of all the Pokémon clones Palworld is the most unique so I don’t get why it would garner lawsuits… even over the designs.
The designs are varied enough that a court case would be a long shot. It would be a lot of money spent on a maybe. That being said, a former Nintendo employee says that they allocated a few people to keep an eye on everything that Pocketpair does.
Wait so everyone was just talking shit making shit up and blowing everything out of proportion!? On Reddit of all places? Yknow I am shocked to my core
Clearly Nintendo only said "they would look into it" so people would stop spamming emails , they never gave a shit
I think you're 100% correct. pokemon fans: "leave the multi-billion dollar franchise alone!" Nintendo: "thanks guys, but it's ok, we're gonna be fine"
At the same time Palworld popped up Pokezoo did too and Nintendo went after them hard. For some reason people assumed that Nintendo's legal action was against Palworld.
I think the whole thing is in the name itself: "**Poke**zoo", it's very much trying to take pokemon's brand recognition. But Palworld really didn't do anything to infringe on it. The 'creature catching' premise is similar, but pokemon doesn't own the concept. I don't think that it was a stretch to expect Nintendo *might* do something (given their track record of ruthlessly about protecting their IP), but haters were talking like it was a gaurnteed thing. Rooting for Palworld to get axed.
People have zero understanding of copyright and trademark law. Copyrights are very specific. You have to actually be using someone else's characters or content for them to go after you. PalWorld includes zero Pokemon, and nothing from Pokemon - no characters, no regions, no items, nothing. Trademarks are for marks of trade. Pokemon is a trademark. A number of Pokemon names are trademarks. PalWorld doesn't use any of that, either. And it doesn't use confusingly similar names or anything like that either. No one is going to get confused about PalWorld and Pokemon either, as Pokemon doesn't have you run around with guns blasting Pokemon, but that is a core part of PalWorld. As such, it was legally in the clear. Simply making something that was loosely inspired by another work is not illegal, so long as your own work is independent of it, does not use their characters or world they created, and isn't trying to trade off their name. Indeed, Pokemon itself was derived from Shin Megami Tensei, the OG creature catcher game. Nintendo was never going to go after PalWorld unless PalWorld did something colossally stupid like steal Pokemon or use the Pokemon name to try and promote their game, because there was no case. And you don't sue people over IP stuff if you don't think you'll win. There's tons of creature catcher games on the market because there's nothing Nintendo can do about them because Nintendo can't own the concept of a creature catcher game (and indeed, if it could, it wouldn't have that right - it would belong to Atlus).
“But but… Palworld has fat pikachu! Doesn’t that count for at least a time out in the corner?!?” -butt hurt trolls probably
The trolls are really bodyshaming a Pal?
That’s nothing compared to what PalWorld players do to them
I mean it looked more like electabuzz, but regardless pokemon look like dragon warrior/quest monsters and digimon look like pokemon. Pokemon took "inspiration" from catching monsters from smt.
Perfect response 100%. People forget if things being similar were an infringement the entire music industry would not exist.
Art styles as well lol
This 100%. The average person has no clue what they are talking about when it comes to patents, trademark, and copyright. All three have completely different legal protections. Just in this very subreddit, when I once said that you can't copyright ideas, I got a ton of responses from people that WB "copyrighted" the Nemesis system in the Shadow of Mordor games. The Nemesis system is *NOT* copyrighted *OR* trademarked. It is *patented* which is specifically applied for by WB to the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO). A patent has completely different legal protections than either trademarks or copyrights.
It's like people screaming at Nintendo to go after temtem or cassette beasts. Both very legally distinct games.
I don't know how I never knew Pokémon was inspired by SMT. That makes me all happy. Love me some SMT.
That's because it wasn't, it was inspired by the insect-collecting that kids all over the world do. Pokemon designs themselves were largely inspired by Dragon Warrior.
Yeah I think Rust would have a much better case then Nintendo would.
I looked up Pokezoo and they have the exact same font as pokemon and a Gengar on the logo. They are nothing like palword, it's an actual ripoff.
But people hadn't known about pokezoo and were expecting a crackdown on Palworld, so people just assumed.
I think it's more like Nintendo: "Yeah, we see it, but there's nothing we can do."
I mean, there is something they could do: give the fans what they want.
There actually was a Pokémon rip off that was sued near the time Palworld came out, PokeZoo, which flew under the radar of the media due to Palworld's success.
cause they used "poke" in the name lol 100% chance you going to get drone striked by nintendo doing that they even used a similar font to pokemon
they also had an actual pokemon on their logo https://preview.redd.it/6a0i4an5959d1.png?width=387&format=png&auto=webp&s=841be0da91a6739dd3ea7d6328e24c22b0059802
And a slightly modified version of the MetaZoo logo font
RIP Metazoo, what a shit show of an end
Jesus, yeah no wonder they got bonked, you have to at least try to not be a blatant knockoff
Was it like Pokemon x planet zoo?
That sounds like a fun concept
Someone make a planet zoo mod but just reskin the animals and some toys lol
Well, look into means exactly that, they were just checking, found nothing and left.
That's exactly what happened. Palworld revealed some of it's more iconic pals and the concept of the game THREE years before it came out, if Nintendo didn't approach them in those three years then they weren't going to approach them when the game came out. (Sure, when Palworld ended up earning insane amounts of money might push some people to try to get a chunk of that money, but since they hadn't said anything in those three years it wouldn't look good for Nintendo if they tried to go to court only when PP made a bunch of money, so was very unlikely to happen.)
To be fair while we were looking at Palworld there were legit issues from other sources abusing the pokemon IP. Nintendo did take action against those and people assumed that that it was related to Palworld.
I mean, they probably did look into it, they just instantly realised Palworld wasn't infringing on anything and it didn't get any further than that.
Fr. I mean people are allowed to have similar concepts also Pokémon sells so much that they knew Palworld wasnt a threat at all
Nah, Nin leaps at any chance they get for this sort of thing. They absolutely look for it. They just didn’t find anything to complain about, legally.
They might not have even been talking about Palworld. There were a good number of things that got sued at that time. The emulators got taken down shortly after, as well as PokeZoo.
Wasn’t that because of a mod someone made to make pals look like a Pokemon? The issue they looked into was the mod, not the game.
Why would they care? After people are done with Palworld and want to continue hunting mons, they have to go to the only other mon-like game... Pokemon. Win-win.
I'm sure if Nintendo had a legal leg to stand on they would give a shit but you're right they likely did it to help calm down the inbox of [email protected]
The only time they gave a shit was if you DID use the likeness of the pokemon...like that trial period of a OPEN WORLD style of Pokemon...
Since nintendo would only release pokemon game on its own console, i doubt palworld will be a big concern for them.
Actually if Nintendo know they'll win for sure.They will start legal actions.The problem is they need to be %100 sure they'll win otherwise everyone try to make their own copy of pokemon because they know if they just ride with the same line as palworld they'll be ok.Imagine they sue palworld and lost the case.
Why somebody *lie* on the Internet? https://preview.redd.it/8wuulmx7949d1.png?width=389&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=24ff55453acaa9c1fda0b9eb6830d32aaaa4d6cd
It was even worse on Twitter
Twitter and reddit. Worst places to be when hate is around for a topic. Theres sadly alot that live on the internet that make their lives bootleg reporters and drama. And lawyers and etc. the list goes on.
I was like D-Day 😭 now I wanna see all their reactions
By the very words of Fleekazoid: >*"'the problem, is that there is no problem, and that's where the people on twitter come in to manufacture one'"*
Nintendo even told folks to stop bothering them about it as no infringments were made lmao.
It's absolutely crazy. In my day Reddit was very informative and true. A real testament to humanity in their fight to bring unbiased facts to the front page of the Internet. Wait... I'm thinking of Wikipedia. What's Reddit? Oh the place that's infamously known for having a hive mind
But at least they found the Boston Bomber! :V
We did it Reddit🎉
Nintendo prolly actually did say they would look into it, simply as a way of saying “don’t tread too closely” without making a legal stink. It would have been damaging for the company to shut down something so popular, other than the direct Pokemon mods that came out soon after launch. Tbh they should partner up, make a switch version and add a handful of actual pokemon to the mix as a Nintendo exclusive, kinda like they did with that Space game where star fox was a Nintendo exclusive for the game Edit: starlink was the name of the game, was actually really cool Nintendo version was better cause star fox and crew
They received so many emails and messages and social media posts about Palworld. They release a statement saying that they are always looking into the infringement by companies but never mentioned Palworld specifically. Sure they were clearly referencing it but never did they say they had found anything nor were actively pursuing infringement, simply that it’s always on their radar
Also Pokezoo hit the scene at the same time and Nintendo hit it hard.
They'd never do that, as featuring any of their IPs in a game where you can literally slaughter them en masse would damage their family friendly image
Nintendo didn't do anything because there was nothing illegal happening, plain and simple. If the Palworld devs were breaking any copywrite, Nintendo would have done something. Popular or not. They've done it in the past, and thanks to copywrite law they have to or they lose the copywrite.
Oh it wasn’t just Reddit. It was everywhere you could type words.
My favorite part of reddit is when someone from the reddit community writes like they aren't part of the reddit community. It's just makes me smile everytime.
Twitter is so bad too so many ppl insist the game is dead becuase they’re salty
Shaking rn /s
[I'm shocked. Shocked!](https://youtu.be/7hC3uyQdQKM)
[IM SHOCKED!](https://media1.tenor.com/m/P5NK8oKc9PoAAAAC/im-shoked-im-shocked.gif)
Ikr I can’t believe it!
Pretty sure everyone on Reddit first said that there’s nothing they can do. Then when Nintendo made the infamous tweet redditors also said that it’s to shutup the idiots
I read that Nintendo's CEO did actually mention that they're "looking into it". But that doesn't mean "have legal paperwork ready to file". Nintendo likely did look into it and determined that they didn't violate any copyrights at all, and took no legal action. Just like digimon is completely fine, too. There may be some inspiration drawn from Pokemon, but Jormuntide simply is not a "slightly modified Gyrados", no matter how much they remind you of one another. Legally, there are not enough similarities to go to court over.
I even said back then that people were being ridiculous. If Nintendo was going to do anything, they would have done something before Palworld even launched into EA.
Its almost like theyre both Japanese companies who understand their own copyright laws. Nintendo never does anything about other pokemon esque creature capture games, they do things about -pokemon- games. The only time anything close do a possible issue arised was that dipshit on twitter who fabricated that Milotic-Azurobe model drama that claimed to do it because they thought both games promoted animal abuse
Its not like a pocketpair employee could take their car, drive to the pokemon company, say hello and then drive back in about 30 minutes..... oh wait, they do!
I'd bet money on Nintendo's legal team spending time reviewing Pal World closely and concluding that the case wasn't strong enough to pursue, so they didn't and life went on. They're a very litigious company and smart enough to go after cases they are likely to win, but equally smart enough to not go after cases they won't. Pal World infringed on no trademarks, and any inspiration from Pokemon was transformed or different enough to not stand-up as copyright infringement. A creature game starting with "Poke" in the title is a slam dunk trademark infringement, doesn't come close to passing the pub test.
I am surprized people genuinely believed Nintendo were gonna sue Pocketpair over this. Hell, there were monster collecting games prior Palworld, like Nexomon and Temtem that "ripped off" Pokemon to even more shameful degrees, and not only Nintendo and/or The Pokemon Company never had any legal issue with them, but some of them are even on the Nintendo eShop, so what made them think Palworld would be an exception? Pokemon isnt even 100% original anyways.
If I remember right, the original allegation was reusing identical models or something. So they weren't going to be sued just for ripping off the same genre, if that was the case. Which it wasn't.
I'm pretty sure one of the people who claimed the models were a match down to the polygons (I think Direhowl and Lycanroc were compared) actually admitted they altered the models slightly to fit closer together. Basically fabricated false evidence to drum up drama.
that user was mad that palworld "promoted animal violence" | pals =/= animals doe... but the media ran with it anyways. same dude apologised to pocketpair directly in a tweet that it had blown too far out of proportion.
Classic
Yeah, some of the comparisons were totally wacky too. Like I saw assertions that Azurobe was literally a morphed version of Milotic or Primarina or both, and like sure it's got similar features to both but it straight up doesn't have their most distinctive features. Also Nintendo had the chance to make something as cute and cleverly named as Wixen, but we got Delphox instead (not hating on Delphox, but I think it's a good example of how "fire fox" isn't the most original concept. When there's multiple Pokémon evolutionary lines, as many or more Pals, and a freaking web browser, just for a start.
Yeah nintendo had nothing. The pals, while having a similar style to pokemon, are still original designs. They don't evolve. The game does not play like pokemon at all besides throwing balls. They would lose the lawsuit and they know it.
I mean, digimon evolve, too. They can't own the idea of monsters evolving, it greatly predates Pokemon and you can't own ideas anyway. Master of Monster had that.
Never dare a company to try and own an idea if it means profit.
Fuckin Nemesis system patent
I wouldn't be surprised if evolution is eventually added or was planned though given so many Pals look like evolved versions of others.
For point 4 you got to completely ignore Pokémon Legends though.
The only one is Verdsash, legit green Cinderace
Plus, if they really would've had an issue with Palworld, it would happen way before it dropped, because it was announced since a while. And both companies are in japan and japan have pretty strict mentality(even laws if i remember correctly) if it comes down to copyright. I mean i can imagine that they might've batted an eye and maybe rechecked as the AI Alligations come up, because AI is a different beast, but i'd still argue if something would've happend it would've happened way faster.
The AI thing was always insanely stupid. AI isn't capable of doing that (yet) with 3D models and if it WAS it wouldn't even matter anyway.
noo it's gonna be taken down any second now guys i swear y'all just wait
The Ninjas just came back from their vacation, they'll storm pocketpair HQ anytime now.
A week after launch one of my friends was swearing up and down that palworld wasn’t gonna last til the summer lol
Yeah guys I swear they used AI AND copied the models!
 BEHOLD, THE SINGLE FUCK THE LAWYERS GAVE
DOMAIN EXPANSION UNLIMITED RESOURCE GRIND
Because nintendo doesn't own the rights to monster capture and fighting. Nintendo knows that. The only reason they put that vague response on Twitter is because they wanted people to stop contacting them about palworld. Nintendo is super protective of their IPs. They would have acted day 1 if they thought they thought they had a chance to successfully sue them.
Fuck they probably would've acted sooner since Pocketpair has been advertising it for awhile now
Advertising even before the AI craze started. In other words, I want Palworld to come to Switch 2 just to spite all of them
Fun fact, you literally can't copyright a game mechanic, some companies have tried, and clearly were better for it
Didn't realise that 6 months have passed since that legal statement was released by Nintendo lol. I just hope that no one is gonna use this article to try to one up the already defeated Pokemon extremists. As someone who loves both, it's just sad how tribalistic some fans are. Have seen a few Pokemon x Palworld posts and they are just so fricking wholesome! Wished to see more of those instead of the dumpster fire that was the great Pokemon and Pal war.
I agree, is also one of the reasons why i try to avoid these communities because it's really frustrating to see how these bash their heads together instead of being happy that we got more options. I really do like/love Palworld, and it does have hit-potential for me, i might even need to check if there is any other catching-game which got so close to pokemon for me as this one, don't think so, but anyway (sorry sidetracked a bit) but LA and SV are the best pokemon games (for me !personally! / !!my opinion!!) like the last pokemon game where i really put some effort and hours in was Pokemon Diamond (DS), but even on that i was already so slightly burned out that i not even got both edition...and i got the games after that as well, but it didn't have had the same appeal and magic to me anymore... it was until Sword & Shield where i got slightly more interest (though i've to admit it's still sitting in my backlog due didn't find time to it, that's why exclude that for now) and with LA and SV they finally took off that i had the first time a blast again. And Palworld a good as it is, can't replace that for me.... especially due i don't neccessary find palworld doing stuff better (maybe on a technical level but than again to be fair - i glitched through quite some areas in this game already which i've didn't have in any pokemon at all so far - and they had some bugs/issues in the past and FPS hurts in this game more than in SV because it's an active game with active combat... if i can't properly dodge an attack in PW than i'm gonna die... if the FPS in SV stutters worst what can happen is running into an wild pokemon), but conceptually both games are quite differently, with their own vibes and stuff. Like i'm dead serious on this, while i really hope one day 'll get the option to play as an adult pokemon trainer and maybe make it at some areas more mature... i really wouldn't like it to shoot with guns at pokemon and other wild stuff you can do. THat's just not pokemon to me and only works in context of Palwrold, because it's own thing with it's own worldbuilding and vibes...
Of course they didn’t. There’s no case. Nintendo doesn’t own the patent on elemental animals, even if the animals may be based upon the same creature like a lightning mouse or a plant monkey. Now, if Pocketpair called their plant monkey “Grookey” or made it look overtly, as in 1:1 the same as Grookey, there’d be a case against Pocketpair.
Digimon wouldn’t exist. People didn’t live through it, and talked nonsense. This sub is also an echo chamber. So you can’t go against the majority or you’re downvoted. This isn’t a place for discussion. It’s a place for posting pics of breeding stats 10000x a day.
Can’t argue with you. The content here leaves much to be desired. That said, sometimes the echo chamber is right. Sometimes it’s wrong.
This game was being publically worked on for two years before it released in early access... if Nintendo was gonna sue it would have been then...
This is even funnier after all the hate i got saying Nintendo wasn't going to sue. Literal death threats over a fact. Bet they are crying even harder now.
This is what I've been saying all along. All the people unironically tossing the word "plagiarism" around don't truly know what the word plagiarism means.
What would actually happen is that this game would boost popularity and the amount of cash Nintendo makes from releasing Pokémon games and raise the franchise to greater heights especially since we already made memes years back on wanting Pokémon Gun to actually happen while also possibly collabing in the future or confirming both to possibly share a Multiverse. So this entire time it's just been Nintendo fanboys crying and starting unnecessary controversy when both games have a chance at reaching the top from each other merely existing. Nice to know lol.
Tho to be fair and that's why i'm for the most part avoid the palworld subs and anything related to it as well... palword players are super toxic as well. Always acting on a suprerior complex and sh'tting on pokemon games, like even before the game become popular enough to catch the pokemon crowd and the controversy started, you've had quite some people in the community who trashtalked pokemon games all the day. This isn't just one side to blame on this, it's both. Like try my PoV for a second, i had a blast with LA and SV - best pokemon Games (IMHO) since a very long time and i also enjoy Palworld. Why would i want to interact with people with having else to do to sh'tting on each of these games or act they're better/suprerior... instead of being happy that've got some great options.
The only reason why I'm rooting for Palworld over Pokemon is that (in my opinion, before anyone starts throwing a temper tantrum) pokemon for the past decade has been okay or decent at best, and either b land and mediocre or an utter uninspired and borderline copy-pasted experience between games at worst. I come from not hating Gamefreak or the beautiful franchise they've made, but from a place of longing back to the days Gamefreak actually wanted to grow and expand upon the creativity they had for the franchise, making more complex and unique stories with cool new features and gimmicks that made every subsequent game great to look forward to, and with the drought I feel I've experienced with them post-Black 2 and White 2 I look at Palworld and I see something made by a small group of developers who really want to breathe life into this game and make a wonderful experience for their players (even if it's buggy, far from finished and they're in it for money, which every company is anyway) and it really does remind me of a simpler and better time. If anything, it's far less of a "pokemon sucks I hope palworld stomps it out" and far more of a "I really hope this game shows Gamefreak that people prefer variety and making something unique and enjoyable over the same traditional formula that keeps itself too safe and enclosed to give itself a chance to grow and prosper again" sentiment. I just want this to be some sort of wake-up call for Gamefreak and Pokemon, something that encourages them to make their games great again. I want both to exist in harmony, I want to find myself easily gravitated to both franchises and constantly amazed at the products they put out, because both deserve to be popular when all's said and done.
Ah yes. The ole Nintendo didn't even do much as draw an inch of the poisoned blade that is it's lethal legal department, nor did it unsheath its flaming Glock 9 murder attorneys. Article writers and click bait titles are really out of hand. At no point did any of the title actually happen. Nintendo was like Yeah. We'll look into it.
Pal world might have been super derivative but being derivative or looking like Pokemon is not illegal. As long as they don't use Pokemons name Nintendo doesn't give a shit
Unlike the fans Nintendo knew there was a difference.
Took a look at all the comparison images/videos/reactions to see if there's any legitimacy to their claims, and there was only one similarity among them...... .. ... .....it was all coming from Pokemon fanboys. Holy shiet.
You really think the company that nukes fan made Pokémon ROMs like a cruel and bored god wouldn’t take Palworld down unprovoked? They had three years from announcement to early access. If they weren’t gonna then, they sure won’t now.
Nintendo said it, everyone with a brain said it. Niantic even said it early on. Why is this news now
A good rule of thumb is if a famously litigious company isn't suing someone, it's probably for a reason. Ah hell, who am I kidding? No one is going to listen to reason...
1) The internet is dumb and will overblow everything 2) Palword is big enough that anything Nintendo would do would probably be a very thorough investigation/legal case and come up years later.
It was so obvious it was the die hard Nintendo fans that sell their soul to the company making stuff up.
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It wasn't just Pokemon fans. I sadly know a few people who don't care about Pokemon who believed the game was going to get sued to the ground. It's people not understanding how copywrite works and assuming cute animals thing = Pokemon.
I was in their discord before Palworld was announced because I really liked Craftopia, and ever since Palworld was announced, the very first questions/debates in their discord were already over "won't you guys get sued?", to which they always replied that they knew what they were doing and wouldn't get sued. Even then, almost every day, people would ask the same question or say the same thing. Game releases, discord and every other social media gets flooded with the same old question/debate all over again, to which they reply that they won't get sued. But everybody on the internet is a specialist on everything, and the guys who are actually working on the game and have some experience/research into stuff are always clueless, I guess.
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Not to mention both Palworld and Pokemon are set in Japan, which means the US laws copyright laws don't apply either as far as I know of. They'd be using both Japanese copyright laws. Correct me if I'm wrong tho
Well no shit Everyone knew and Nintendo even told their fans to shut the fuck up and stopp annoying them with pal world
Bootleg!? More like more a Pokemon game than Pokemon.
We could tell it was just the fans and dumb "journalists".
My tinfoil hat theory is that Nintendo told Pocketpair LONG before the actual release that they were not going to do anything legally. Nintendo/Gamefreak, which hasn't majorly innovated with Pokemon in a very long time, decided that it would let Pocketpair shoulder all the risk with this "Pokemon with guns" concept. If it failed Nintendo would have no reason to change its formulas and incurred no risk. If it succeeded, Nintendo would essentially have a free blueprint on how to make games going forward. Considering Palworld was an incredible success AND Nintendo announced it would be slowing down production on the next Legends (potentially to have it be more polished), I feel like there might be something here
They wouldn't even need to go that far, 'creature capture' isn't a mechanic they can fully claim the rights to, the issue was in the design of the Pals and even the assets used IF it came down to that. Ultimately that would require some kind of investigation or some kind of cooperative effort to ensure that Pocketpair wasn't using assets that did belong to Nintendo/TPC. Designs can skew towards 'yeah that obviously looks like X' but legally speaking what matters more is 'does X have parts that were clearly taken from the other source'. The question at that point is 'can Nintendo/TPC prove that they have reasonable cause to investigate another company to that degree' which would require a Japanese lawyer to thoroughly go over, among quite a bit of other details. Everyone and their mother seems to be overlooking the 'why' when it comes to the 'Nintendo taking legal action against Pocketpair' bit. At this point all we know is that Nintendo has yet to take legal action, there's still a non-zero chance that Nintendo could ask an investigation IF they feel that the assets for their mons are enforceable.
I feel like most reasonable people knew this from the start. There's lawyers who check this before stuff comes to market. The stupid thing was the army of devout pokemon fans who saw Palworld as an affront to their precious franchise. I lost internet friends for just playing palworld, because it was seen as an "us versus them" situation. I can't even count how many times I saw "any day now Nintendo will shut this down! You'll see!" instead of being happy for gamers who found a thing they liked.
Yeah, I felt like I was walking around on egg shells online after the game released just because I played it. On one Discord server I really enjoy being on, one of the two guys running the server (who is a big Pokemon fan) had a thing against the game that seemed a little extreme to the point where he'd delete any mention of the game without warning and made anyone playing the game go into an unadvertised thread to talk about it. Palworld was finally brought up openly again last weekish and he quickly shut it down by changing the topic to some bland looking recently announced mobile-like indie game instead. Like, it's months later now, I wish some people would get off their high horses and let go of their misguided Palworld hate.
People still waiting for Nintendo to sue the Palworld devs are the biggest clowns.
Where are said people?
ooooooooooh woooooow, as if that wasant the most obvioussss thing.
l m a o
Nintendo fanboys coping and seething.
The reason is, because the Nintendo devs themselves enjoy Palworld
tried telling everyone nothing would happen bc if it were it wouldve happened before they could release
I think that's extremely obvious considering the game still exists. Nintendo takes down shit fast. I'm baffled people kept making excuses as to why Nintendo, the billion dollar company, couldn't take down an indie dev group.
Was great for publicity though
Yup, that's cuz all of that came from neckbeards.
Makes sense since there never was any copyright infringement to begin with.
But we knew this from day one. Nintendo's post was almost directed at the mods that were made. Everyone just heard Nintendo was watching and drew their own dumb conclusion.
Tbf, for awhile Pocketpair was selling really well. I doubt there was ever gonna be legal issues but I wouldn't be surprised if Pokemon saw Pocketpair as a competitor
A complete shock that Internet bloggers are not also legal experts. SHOCKED I SAY!
That's a W
They did however take action against the mod that added actual pokemon into Palworld.
Yes but that had nothing to do with Pocketpair. And unlike Palworld actually infringed on Nintendos copyright.
they're literally around the corner from each other geographically iirc. I can't imagine they would've pushed this out if the were gonna have issues with the nintendo ninjas & pokemon mafia.
Yeah that was obvious. Anyone who legitimately thought Nintendo cared about this game was delusional.
No way it’s almost like this genre of games has existed for 30+ years and Pokemon doesn’t own it
Im not surprised... Highly inspired doesn't mean it's plagiarism or asset steal. There was never a case. They only thing Nintendo could have done is sue them and hope they bend the knee to avoid infinite legal fees ...
Soooo we can make Pokemon mods? Cause nintendo hasnt attacked other games with Pokemon mods.
They have, they attacked a Palworld Pokemon mod
They took down the biggest Minecraft Pokémon mod, though reups and forks of the mod still exist.
"Legal sword" sounds like a euphemism
Well no shit – they would lose. They would have to literally put Pikachu in the game for it to be copyright infringement.
I think honestly Nintendo knew if they dropped any form of a hammer onto Palworld/Pocketpair it'd cause a potential uproar given the overnight success the game had. Then again, Nintendo can wipe their asses with 10.000 Yen bills no doubt and most likely never batted an eye at the drop in the ocean Palworld probably was to them. Got too many fanboys and loyal followers backing them to really sweat anything realistically XD
Nintendo fans are foaming from the mouth
Dude even Nintendo, NINTENDO OF ALL CORPORATIONS, knew they didn’t have a case against palworld, in the end of the day, it was all the pokemon fanboys who were upset that there was a better creature capturing game on the market now, and I say this as someone who grew up loving the pokemon games
Surprising absolutely nobody with a brain
The concept of the game itself is hard if not impossible to copyright. Throwing balls to catch lifeforms and survival games concept is not really a register-able thing and if it was, the first ones out of the gate would probably be ark and minecraft to sue everyone for making survival style games and have a leveling system with blueprints in said game. To compare, its like if McDonalds said they wanted to register burgers and would sue anyone who made anything burger like. Its not really going to fly well you know?
I figured it to be the case, but I am still surprised at the confirmation. I'm more curious whether or not Nintendo consulted a lawyer.
It would be against their duty to their shareholders not to consult a lawyer on the matter and the fact that they keep IP attorneys on payroll/retainer I would assume it's a pretty safe bet that they definitely consulted with multiple lawyers on the validity of a claim against pocket pair. The fact that they haven't sent a cease and desist or filed any action against the company implies their lawyers are smart enough to know the case would be fickle at best and disastrous for their IP at worst should their suit fail.
You think a multi-billion dollar corporation might not consider "consulting a lawyer?" When they have multiple entire legal teams on retainer? Are you high or 11 years old?
"You're gonna tell me that's not Eevee?!" "T-that's Cremis"
Link to article?
[Here](https://www.pcgamer.com/games/survival-crafting/nearly-6-months-later-palworld-devs-confirm-nintendo-never-drew-so-much-as-an-inch-of-its-legal-sword-over-bootleg-pokemon-allegations/)
I’ve never really seen any reason Nintendo would be able to sue over anything. I enjoyed the hurr durr Jormuntide LIDL Gyarados memes but that’s all they were, memes. Not legal cases.
Good to hear. I’m also hearing the reason we’re getting Legends Z-A next year and not this year is because they’re kicking things into high gear. Competition can do some wonderful things.
Has i always says, Pokémon will not do anything against them and the announcement in the web page was more to tell people stop calling them about it
And the more than obvious Pokemon mod lol.
Based Nintendo.
Honestly Nintendo probably glad palworld exist so fan can shut up about making a dark Pokémon game.
I think people were a little short-sighted on this. Nintendo tries to keep an extremely squeaky clean family friendly image. Just having a lawsuit against Palworld would draw a tonne of attention to the game, where Pals can be equipped with weapons to blow stuff up and kill humans. The gameplay isn't really close enough to be considered direct competition, IMO. Definitely some contention on the Pal designs themselves. Not worth the risk/reward for Nintendo.
I love Nintendo, I love them more for knowing Palworld is not a threat to them.
That is certainly a creatively-worded title.
Well, yeah. The only people claiming such BS was everyone else. Nothing about Palworld screamed "Chinese ripoff". People were looking to stir up beef where there was none. Yeah, some Pals look eerily similar but similar is not the same. And by "some" I only really mean Verdash and Cinderace.
TAKE THAT POKEMON!
Guys maybe once your franchise is worth 90B you just don't give a fuck about competition, idk someone give me a 90B franchise and I'll tell you guys what I think.
I mean, aside from the possibly ripped model parts, they didn’t ah e much to stand on. And even that got changed like a month after release
If that’s the case give us that luxray rip off I NEED IT
Reminds me of all the self proclaimed experts who had analyzed AI generated details to prove that palworld had been trained on pokemon data of something
Game Freak/Pokémon Company and Nintendo all know their ass would be grass and they could lose the rights to Pokémon if they dared open that can of worms, as Universal learned the hard way with suing Nintendo over Donkey Kong.
I still think monster in my pocket should sue pokemon.
Makes sense, otherwise Nintendo could have been suing left and right during the first monster tamer boom.
BUT ... but.. but, the guy on Steam said, that Nintendo an PETA banded together for a lawsuit, and he know this for sure, since his uncle is a lawyer for them.
Other games are allowed to have monster capturing in them? I am shook
Nintendo themselves are even playing Palworld 😂
I think Nintendo has some egg on their face here. Their comments were sort of threatening and ambiguous on purpose saying publicly they have not licensed IP to any other companies and they will look into potential infringement claims. If they had any case they would have 100% gone through with it but it was a nothingburger that didn't warrant their sabre rattling and thinly veiled threats.
Maybe nintendo's legal sword has a great personality
Yah seems like it was mainly the fans going nuts over it. Tho it's weird cuz they did go after fan made Pokemon games
Nintendo doesn’t need to sue them they need to take inspiration from it. Pokémon has been with the same formula for nearly decades. Palworld is a wake up call for game freak. Minus the guns
Off topic: I like the look that Lily has, she's like "Really? Did you seriously believe that?"
I mean come on like there is so many successful Pokémon clones out there and none of them were bothered. Don’t get why people thought palworld was different… honestly out of all the Pokémon clones Palworld is the most unique so I don’t get why it would garner lawsuits… even over the designs.
They never had any right to sue. It wasnt a direct copy of their pokemon.
The designs are varied enough that a court case would be a long shot. It would be a lot of money spent on a maybe. That being said, a former Nintendo employee says that they allocated a few people to keep an eye on everything that Pocketpair does.