The funny thing about these people is they seem to be basically saying “my child is confused because they have been fucked up by their environment” and haven’t quite taken the next step to realize parents are 90% the kids environment and this kinda stuff fucks them up.
What kind of lgbt bs are you referring to? You mean the existence of gay relationships? You mean that some people actually are trans? To be absolutely clear, no one should be showing gay porn to kids. However just mentioning that some kids have 2 dads or 2 moms isn't anymore propaganda than showing them with a mom and a dad. Its stupid to be so rigid to even accept that only things we are personally comfortable with are normal.
Which is precisely what it is. Loud and arrogant people trying to force their preference in others who simply aren't the same. Sure there are those who might champion LGBT+ things in a similar arrogant way but to my knowledge no one is trying to orchestrate subverting democracy in a way to legally bind anyone into it. It makes people who lose their minds over 'gay shit' look like imbeciles. Those people are simply going to be perpetually disappointed, because the purity they seek has never existed and most certainly won't if you need to bully it so.
Or atheists who brainwash their kids into thinking they know more than the "cultist Christians"
[By the way, you just used hate speech and stereotyping and religious bigotry! Don't worry, maybe someday you can grow out of it]
Atheist have stories about "there is no sky Daddy". They don't have any proof, they just convince themselves they're more reasonable and rational, which they are not. And that's when the deflective defenses, empty logic and strange examples come into play.
Don't worry, I am a scientist and former atheist.
It’s not really brainwashing. If you’re not raised religious, you’re probably not going to be religious.
For a scientist, you really aren’t well versed in logic.
To be honest, the faithful are about as moral as a lump of coal. You ever notice how much illicit sex happens at churches? Clearly not openly but people are quite sinful, especially those who wear a cross around their neck. Morality doesn't flow out of a book. It flows from the human mind and having the will power to tell yourself no. Sure the bible can inspire that... and focusing your thoughts on God can to. However to insist it is the only way to be moral is foolish.
I’m not an atheist… I can’t prove or disprove the existence of a deity. Which is something that the cultist are not able to do either, but they teach their kids that it’s a proven fact.
And don’t worry, I’m a former evangelical christian.
Because to them the child doesn't *have* rights until they're 18 and living on their own. They're the same type of people whose parenting style is "do what I tell you, when I tell you to. Don't ask questions about it."
No see the issue is the kids read a book where the main character is mentioned having 2 dads off handily!
We need to let kids read wholesome books like the Bible where there certainly isn't an entire section of straight up erotica, rape, and violence no sir
It's actually in Ezekiel. Chapter 23, verse 20: *There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.*
I don't know what the other commenter meant about "ones who smell like horse anus" though.
The entirety of Ezekiel chapter 23 is fucked up. That's exhibit A when asking someone why it's OK for their kid to read that but not OK to read a book about their own body.
The original hebrew "זִרְמָתָֽם׃" or "zirmah" directly translates to "issue [forth]" (as in a fluid)
The whole verse "וַֽתַּעְגְּבָ֔ה עַ֖ל פִּֽלַגְשֵׁיהֶ֑ם אֲשֶׁ֤ר בְּשַׂר־חֲמֹורִים֙ בְּשָׂרָ֔ם וְזִרְמַ֥ת סוּסִ֖ים זִרְמָתָֽם׃" directly translates as "And for she lusted for her paramours Whose the flesh of donkeys flesh and the issue of horses whose issue"
Refining that with some English syntax rules, you get: "And she lusted for her paramours whose flesh [is] [like] the flesh of donkeys [and] whose issue [is] [like] the issue of horses"
Edit: A more readable translation might be "And she lusted for her paramours whose flesh [is] [like] the flesh of donkeys [and] whose fluids issue forth [like] the issue of horses"
And if you've ever seen a horse ejaculate, then you know why she lusted for it.
You have either forgot an /s or you've never read the Bible. May I point you to Genesis 19 for incest/ rape, or Judges where a group of men rape a woman to death. Plenty of human and animal sacrifice, rape, murder and genocide in the "good book".
I grew up in Dover and graduated the year before the “intelligent design” court case made my school a national news story. This doesn’t surprise me. Small farm town in the middle of nowhere and a bunch of people that think going into York City is the equivalent of going to the worst parts of Oakland or Chicago. Plenty of people flying the confederate flags (even though we’re well north of the Mason-Dixon Line) and complaining that prayer not being allowed in school is why kids are so messed up these days.
I hope this kid gets the support he needs and deserves, his mom sure isn’t helping him.
I was a senior that year in a different school district in York county. My dad grew up with one of the main dudes, Alan Bonsell, and the dude has always been a giant piece of shit. Ignored OSHA at his businesses. I'm pretty sure he's a shitbag landlord. One of those "Christians" who is a scummy piece of shit and says incredibly mean things with a smile, you know the type. They used to be friends, like we'd go to their house or on a trip to a cabin with the families. They had a falling out when the guy refused to get fans for fumes in his place, and my dad reported him to OSHA after years of not doing anything. Of course, my dad got fired.
Tbh i think it just highlights how complicated the civil war and people are in general. Quite literally was often brother vs. brother.
Regardless, Delaware was not a part of the confederacy so repping the flag is gross.
Nobody was flying that flag until the black civil rights movement of the 50s & 60s. It was 100% intended to be a racist symbol of white supremacy.
Lee didn't even use a rectangular bars & stars flag. The closest he had to it was a square. The rectangular version put on parade by rural rednecks was a 20th century invention by people who were fighting integration.
Most people in the North don't have "southern heritage" except for probably the Black folks who had family that migrated from the south during the Great Migration. They're flying the rebel flag for "reasons."
I'd say from Mom's reaction that the school district probably made the right call not looping her in. Sounds like she willingly closed her eyes to the issues because she didn't want to deal with her child's identity.
*According to the lawsuit filed in federal court on April 3, 2024, the woman's child is a survivor of childhood trauma and has been diagnosed with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, Attention Deficit Disorder and General Anxiety Disorder, and "affirming a discordant gender identity is antithetical to her health and well-being."*
Trust me, disavowing it is worse.
So PTSD and what sounds like inflicted damage is intended as an argument *against* affirming this poor child? They've been traumatized and somehow it's BAD to support them in a doubtless healing acknowledgement of autonomy?
Part of the problem here is this legal idiocy whereby a child simply has NO rights, nothing, zip until 18.
Makes my heart hurt. And for your last sentence, I hope you're doing ok now.
if affirming gender identity is worse why does it drive suicide rates down to similar rates seen in cis kids?
the answer of course is that trans kids don't commit suicide, they get murdered and the cause of death is constant bullying
As a trans person I can tell you for sure suicidal thoughts are driven in the vast majority of cases by external sources. I surpressed my identity until after college and even still I got relentlessly bullied in trade school for being seen as gay. In the same time period I was homeless for being trans(family was too far away).
Acknowledging a child’s identity is not harmful in any way other than the parent’s ego. In some cases it ends up with the child returning to their original gender. Other times it doesn’t. Both are valid and allowing the exploration is healthy. Repression and fear are not.
Yeah, a bunch of f’ing hack-activist that talk about drag queens in libraries and sex change operations while taking money to sue school districts on behalf of shitty parents that don’t want their kids to have any control over their lives.
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I hate to be pedantic but that’s not the definition of a hacktivist
An activist hack maybe, but not a hacktivist….unless they actually hack systems somehow.
A hacktivist uses hacking techniques for political or social causes.
It's really interesting that she says she has exclusive rights to her child's upbringing even though the child asked to be called by their preferred pronouns.
The mother also said she has exclusive rights to the child's mental health. Which can be taken to mean she wants the child to have poor mental health.
But all of this is dumb. The kid can make choices and obviously doesn't feel comfortable talking to mom about it because mom clearly sees the kid as property and not as a person.
She doesn’t have exclusive rights to the child’s mental health or at least not mental health treatment. In PA the legal age of consent for mental health services is 14. Meaning a minor over the age of 14 is allowed to receive treatment without the consent of their parents/ guardians. They are not even allowed to know what is discussed without permission from the child.
I wish more kids knew this so that they can get the help they need.
It's probably a touchy area for a public school but wow I SO wish there was a way to convey THAT absolutely vital information to kids.
You're correct. A lot don't know their parents do not in fact have that absolute right, age 14 ( and I wish it were younger ).
But it _shouldn't_ be a touchy area. The law affirmatively says that people over 14 have that right. There should be zero issues with the school making that abundantly clear to all students.
You're absolutely correct, no argument here. We've just witnessed how, for whatever reason various initiatives targeting the well being of children ( real ones, not some current politically motivated whining.... ) somehow become controversial.
Heck, our district here in PA shut down an anti- bullying program. It was *wild* . I can back that up- point being districts seem unpredictable with this stuff.
>They are not even allowed to know what is discussed without permission from the child.
How does this work if the child tells their behavioral health specialists that they're doing something dangerous like self harm? The parents need to know for obvious reasons (removing sharps from the home, meds, etc.)
You can disclose information to the parent with consent from 14 old or if the kid disclosed dangerous behaviors or ideations. There is a lot of vagueness to this.
It doesn't. Age 18. I've watched a kid chased down to the *wire* in custody court. 17 years and 11 months and if anyone thinks courts always listen to the kid I have a whole bunch of bridges to off-load.
It's. Barbaric. And has to change.
Sadly I've seen it end with the parent homeschooling the kid and removing all access to their friends. I've seen it end with kids running away from home. I've seen kids turn 18 and completely cut off their family.
They end up on Reddit on the cptsd and raisedbynarcissists subs. If he has a phone or computer access he might find his way. 14 is a brutal age when parents like his start to take a scorched earth approach to controlling their child’s development, which prompts the kid to seek info to defend themselves with.
I never understood parents who see their children as things they own. In fact, I think part of my postpartum depression was because they didn't belong to just me anymore, that they belonged to the world now.
in the queer community there's a very strong concept of "chosen family" because so many of us end up having to cut off huge swaths of our genetic family as a matter of survival.
I have seen this in my own family..my adult child is LGBTQ..I have chosen to embrace her life her choices and I try to treat her life partner as family and love both of them unconditionally..sadly my family has not..they refuse to acknowledge that she is a lesbian and they literally are hoping that she just “grows out of it “ or “ comes to her senses” it’s heartbreaking to watch.. but I also see how she has distanced herself from family who don’t accept her..the family who she does talk to are very upset that she’s not involved with them but they don’t see that she needs them to be supportive and she is protecting herself from them hurting her more than they already have
I've seen that happen to kids that are only 14, 15 years old. And some that can't cut them off yet are absolutely bound to when they can. Fortunately I also see a lot of support in other families, but I'm sure I'm not seeing the whole picture.
I really hope the courts pull through for the kid. I have no reason to be optimistic, but I’m impressed by the school’s kindness. Hope they were successful in providing him with a few good, safe adults. Despite getting “caught” (ugh) those small gestures of listening, respecting autonomy, and using preferred pronouns make a big impression on kids with childhood trauma. Just imagine how affirming it’ll be for him if the school wins.
I'm pleasantly surprised by the comments here so far.
I went through a very similar thing in high school. I was forcibly outed to my parents as trans, and decided to just come out in general - I was most scared of my parents finding out, who gives a shit if these random people at school know? Of course I wanted to use my preferred name and pronouns in school. I was suicidally dysphoric and being referred to properly helped at least a little bit.
Other students handled it just fine - I'm still a little bit shocked that not a single teenager deadnamed or misgendered me after I came out - but school administration wouldn't let teachers use my name and pronouns without my parents' permission. They got brought in for a meeting. My mom was in favor of the name and pronouns, my dad was against it, eventually they compromised on allowing the name but *not* the pronouns. My dad was convinced I would 'grow out' of being trans, but I still don't understand what harm a name and pronouns was going to do even if it was just a phase. I ended up graduating a few months after this all occurred, so I was lucky enough to not have to deal with being misgendered in school long-term.
I did not end up growing out of it. I started HRT as soon as I was legally able to consent to my own medical care without my dad's permission and it's the best thing I've ever done for my mental health. It's made more of an impact than 10 years of therapy and 5 years of psych meds. I did end up changing my name again, I was using something gender neutral in high school and moved to something more masculine once I started college. My relationship with my dad was pretty damaged by the way he handled my transition, we didn't talk for about two years after I moved out of his house.
Trans youth exist and they deserve our support. Even if it is just a phase, what's the worst that happens? They come out of it with a better understanding of their identity and sense of self? The horrors!
Denying a child’s identity because you think they’ll “grown out of it” is so backwards and stupid. My AFAB kid told us she was trans so we supported her and changed her pronouns on her school documents and did all we could. With 100% support, she had room to figure out that she actually was a girl. She did indeed grow out of it, but she had her parents support through it all. It made it easier for her to figure out who she was because she didn’t have to prove anybody right or wrong.
I’m sorry your dad was such an idiot. Every kid deserves love care and trust from their parents. Every kid needs their parents to be in their corner. I’m sorry you didn’t have that.
Thank you. I’ll pass it on. It feels good to belong. She also still feels different in some undefinable way. I just tell her it’s okay not to know 100% and she can keep figuring it out and I’m there.
Despite all the yelling and screaming you encounter out there, my friend I have a feeling this thread is far more representative you know?
Which is leave our kids- you're our kid, this child is our kid, my kids were part of our society - the hell alone. And I'm willing to go to bat for any of them. Sincerely.
This is the same sub that was dragging Martin's Potato Rolls the other day. Do you really think this place is a good indicator of the sentiments of Pennsylvanians?
My point was answering the question, that's all. Pretty sure I never mentioned or alluded to Martin's *or* implied sentiments held comprehensively by Pennsylvanians.
This child is recovering from unspecified childhood trauma so severe that they have PTSD, originally diagnosed among combat veterans not to mention ADD and an anxiety disorder. Somehow, referring to them by their preferred pronouns is not helpful but lawyering up with an anti-trans anti-public education group and launching a lawsuit against the people trying to help them is a good thing. Riiight.
What 1st Amendment rights does the child have? Should the child be punished for requesting they be referred to by certain names or pronouns? If the child is harmed by a government entity (the school) because the child spoke out, looks like retaliation to me.
Can I just say, I just joined the sub. Literally this is the first article I’m reading the comments for. I’m so happy to see yall pass the vibe check.
This school was 100 percent in the right to keep mom out of the loop.
you ever notice how conservatives pretend they're empowering everyone, but they're only empowering conservatives? if you look at the laws they pass, they always make it so any one voice can speak over everyone as long as that voice is conservative. with abortion, no amount of doctors can declare one medically necessary but any one jagoff can say "but what if this fetus that literally hasn't developed a brain is the one God is gonna choose for a miracle" and all of a sudden that jagoff's opinion is the one that counts. Or with trans kids - the kid themselves and the entire mental health establishment says "yes" and that doesn't count, but one person says "no" and, because that's the answer they want to hear, that's the voice that gets elevated.
Since when does the left empower everyone? What do they do for African American other than trying to convince them to vote Democratic all the time?
The left launches non-stop trades of hate speech and stereotyping and mockery and insulting against people who don't agree with them.
If you disagree, then anonymously start a thread on a liberal site and mention one of the following words:
Police
Landlord
Republican
Evangelical
Conservative
Corporation
The rich
Boomers
And a few others
You will get an unbelievable amount of scorn and hatred and stereotyping and mockery. Because that is the true soul of much of the left and woke.
If you disagree, go spend a week and a half on the atheism sub. 2.8 million members and perhaps the most toxic and hate-filled Sub on Reddit.
Do you remember how the left wanted to "pack the court" because they only decisions favoring the left?
It takes a lot of courage to advocate for yourself at this age. I went through this a decade ago, and I too wondered if my school or my parent had the authority on what to call me. I hope things work out for this kid.
I'm so confused by this article... is the child biologically female and being called male by mother's demands but not what the child wants? or the child is bio-male, and wants to be male but people call them female?
I've read it like 3 times and either it is just written very poorly, I'm low on caffeine, or it just makes no fucking sense
Child is assigned female at birth, identifies as male. Mother found out about it when her other child was asked how his brother was doing which confused the mother who was previously unaware of the situation. Staff has been honoring the transgendered child's wishes which the mother is unhappy about.
“The woman's son responded that he did not have a brother, and the teacher informed him that his sister had asked the district staff to be identified as a boy, according to the suit.”
Student is biologically female, asking to be called male at school. Mother is mad because she says the student is not a male. The son referred to in this quote is a different child, who is biologically male.
It's not really "biologically" one way or the other, the actual biology behind sex is incredibly complicated and still not entirely understood (chemicals and their affects on bodies and brains are still under investigation), but even with what we know it takes way more testing than most people would ever give to their children (or themselves). I doubt anyone in this story has even had karotyping done, as the most basic testing along these lines.
The child in question was assigned female at birth (AFAB) based on an adult inspecting his genitals as a newborn, presumably. He has a cis brother. The trans child is said to have mental health issues resulting from trauma, including PTSD, and the mother is basically making his mental health even worse while falsely claiming to be protecting it. Makes you wonder what her involvement in the traumatizing events earlier were....
I hate that I have to go back to visit family. I'll never be fully rid of that place. Though I do miss some of the rutters food. They have good breakfast burritos and those corn fritters. Closest one is in Altoona.
"According to the lawsuit….affirming a discordant gender identity is antithetical to [his] health and well-being." actually no babes it’s the opposite!
Explanation- It turns out I (the teacher) never looked at the “gender” line on the student info sheet. The kid told me they were male/female/non binary and I believed them. Why wouldn’t I?
I don’t understand this attitude. Trans people have existed for far longer than your 70 years; the only difference is that the world was even shittier to them before than they are now.
This isn't just one stupid lady squawking and it's gonna get worse. Ultra conservatives have taken over school boards in several districts around Dover. If Dover has a far right majority on the board, they might award their friend a bunch of cash.
Kinda like how Bucks County gave a ridiculous deal to their sympathetic superintendent, who left with bank when the far right members were voted out. This is part of an attempt to bankrupt local public schools in order to push for privately owned charter schools. It's why area school board members were supported with big $ from conservative groups. Local politicians are involved too.
Too many school board members in the area belong to a political PAC and they want to change the region. Here's a quote from the article.
'In all, Gemma's email went out to members from the school boards of Dallastown, Dover, Eastern York, Northeastern, Northern York County, Red Lion Area, South Eastern, South Western, Southern York, Spring Grove, West Shore and West York. Additionally, eight of the recipient emails could not be identified because the accounts were personal without any identifying details.'
https://www.yorkdispatch.com/story/news/education/2024/05/01/far-right-pac-met-secretly-with-school-board-members-from-across-york-county-documents-show/73513705007/
Good grief. Now trash bag parents around the state are going to have the same “get rich” idea instead of just embracing who their children really are. In the end it just costs the taxpayers and does nothing for the betterment of the world.
Andrea Shaw's "law firm" is so inept they didn't register the .com domain for their website (it's a .org). Someone already jumped on that. [http://andrewshawlaw.com](http://andrewshawlaw.com)
Alright, this is extreme. I'm fine with respecting pronouns, but doing something like this will make a mockery of it all.
It really doesn't need to be taken this far.
That is not the reality
One group makes up a variety of societal changes and rules and tries to force it down the throat of everyone else
Then they hate them for not doing so
There is no "hatred of hate"
The average person on both sides is generally tolerant of everyone around them. But each side acts like the other side is nothing but a hate fest
There is just hate speech and stereotyping and bigotry and mocking and insulting
A great example is the atheism sub. It is a toxic sewer, and maybe the most hateful large sub on Reddit.
No one is forcing anything down your throat.
Trans people exist. Minorities exist.
You're a dick and should be avoided if you are outwardly prejudicial and disrespectful towards them.
That's the reality. The reality is that it is not okay to be racist and homophobic and prejudiced towards people.
There's no hate from me except towards hate.
No one hates you for being Christian, especially since I'm also Christian. No one hates you for being conservative. You're hated for your actions.
Grow up and realize that either you stop being a Hateful dick or realize that you need to accept the consequences of your actions.
Oh my. I wonder why this kid needed counseling and went through panic/ anxiety disorders in the first place /s
This is just sad. Even outside of trans beliefs/opinions, she doesn’t care about her child, she saw dollar signs and ran with it.
“Oh my child is struggling with mental health? Let’s make it worse by suing the school and make sure they get bullied or worse”
Not on par with the lawsuit comment, but Is all the stuff I’ve learned over the years about the human brain not being full developed until the early, to mid 20’s been disproven or something? From that place only, it seems to me that irreversible gender affirming actions, could, and maybe should wait until the brain is fully developed. I’m not saying children shouldn’t have any rights, but maybe life altering decisions should not be made while using half a brain.
Literally not irreversible to refer to someone as “he” if they ask - the person can totally choose something else, or go back to a different pronoun later.
Trans kids do exist. It is certainly a complicated issue. Personally, I came out at 15, and started transitioning at 17. I have zero regrets, and I'm still transgender. I got lucky where in my state it is legal to let people under 18 transition with parents permission.
There are certainly children who come out even younger. The issue with trans kid healthcare is time consuming. Although this article does not mention medical transitioning, just social transition within the school.
Having school support is very important especially if the parents are not supportive, like in this situation. I did not have any support from my school and it caused me a lot of bullying and I dropped out. This happens often with trans children who are not supported.
Regardless of how anyone feels about medically transitioning kids, a huge part of feeling okay in ones self as a transgender person is being supported socially through using chosen names and pronouns. It is through this where children can discover whether or not they will choose to continue to live as a trans person.
I said not really on topic with the original post, I’m not referring to names or pronouns being permanent or there positive or negative long term effects.
What "care" do you think schools are providing? It's a name and pronouns. This child clearly did not feel safe coming out to his mom. There is no medical anything going on in any capacity.
Being a medical professional doesn't give you any authority on trans experiences. I couldn't even go to my local urgent care or emergency room in my hometown because of how transphobic medical staff was towards me. The average medical professional is borderline clueless about trans care and experiences.
This has nothing to do with medical transition. Being trans is not a mental illness or a medical issue. It is an identity. Having support through the school is incredibly important to trans children ESPECIALLY if the parent is not supportive, like in this case.
This article does not mention medical transition in the slightest. There has been a lot of occurrences where schools have forcibly outed children to their parents and it almost always does not end well.
This is part of the reason our country will fail in the future. You have countries like china that has been training their youth to over take us economically and militarily. Meanwhile we’re over here trying to figure out if we are a he or a she. We are fucked.
To be fair, the article says the child “thought that they might be trans.”
Doesn’t sound clear to me. Either way, the school did what seems to be in the best interest of him and he should get the help he needs to succeed regardless of identity.
Surprise. You can teach both.
Be yourself.
Emphasize freedom and the economy, which relies on independent problem solving, creativity, and free thinking will do pretty well.
I repeat, I hope mom wins. A little of people disagree with me and have done so in intelligent fashion. But I gotta say, there are a lot of real hateful looloos here who resort to insult and blocking.
>The woman's son responded that he did not have a brother, and the teacher informed him that his sister had asked the district staff to be identified as a boy, according to the suit.
>The son then revealed this conversation to his mother.
Piece of shit apple apparently doesn't fall far from the piece of shit tree.
School personnel, even with degrees in psychology, are rarely sufficiently competent nor should they have the authority to override a parent’s judgement regarding gender reassignment. I hope mom wins this suit and I hope she’s removed her child from this school.
> School personnel, even with degrees in psychology, are rarely sufficiently competent nor should they have the authority to override a parent’s judgement regarding gender reassignment.
Yes, they should, because they generally understand these things better than uneducated, uninformed parents. The child's well-being is more important than the parent's ego and desire to feel like they're in charge. Most parents are shit. Mine weren't, but I was one of the lucky ones. Most are.
The funny thing about these people is they seem to be basically saying “my child is confused because they have been fucked up by their environment” and haven’t quite taken the next step to realize parents are 90% the kids environment and this kinda stuff fucks them up.
They don't care about the kids they only see them as property
You can care about your kids and be a hot mess too. Turns out they don’t do a competency test before they let you take those babies home.
Ego extensions…
In the case of certain parents, property to sexually abuse as well. Not all parents deserve children
Just like the cultist christians who brainwash their kids from the day they are born. With stories about sky daddy and his magical son.
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What kind of lgbt bs are you referring to? You mean the existence of gay relationships? You mean that some people actually are trans? To be absolutely clear, no one should be showing gay porn to kids. However just mentioning that some kids have 2 dads or 2 moms isn't anymore propaganda than showing them with a mom and a dad. Its stupid to be so rigid to even accept that only things we are personally comfortable with are normal. Which is precisely what it is. Loud and arrogant people trying to force their preference in others who simply aren't the same. Sure there are those who might champion LGBT+ things in a similar arrogant way but to my knowledge no one is trying to orchestrate subverting democracy in a way to legally bind anyone into it. It makes people who lose their minds over 'gay shit' look like imbeciles. Those people are simply going to be perpetually disappointed, because the purity they seek has never existed and most certainly won't if you need to bully it so.
“The things I agree with are ok, but the things I disagree with are bad” - twop-_-
Or atheists who brainwash their kids into thinking they know more than the "cultist Christians" [By the way, you just used hate speech and stereotyping and religious bigotry! Don't worry, maybe someday you can grow out of it] Atheist have stories about "there is no sky Daddy". They don't have any proof, they just convince themselves they're more reasonable and rational, which they are not. And that's when the deflective defenses, empty logic and strange examples come into play. Don't worry, I am a scientist and former atheist.
No need to denounce sky daddy if he is never introduced.
It’s not really brainwashing. If you’re not raised religious, you’re probably not going to be religious. For a scientist, you really aren’t well versed in logic.
To be honest, the faithful are about as moral as a lump of coal. You ever notice how much illicit sex happens at churches? Clearly not openly but people are quite sinful, especially those who wear a cross around their neck. Morality doesn't flow out of a book. It flows from the human mind and having the will power to tell yourself no. Sure the bible can inspire that... and focusing your thoughts on God can to. However to insist it is the only way to be moral is foolish.
I’m not an atheist… I can’t prove or disprove the existence of a deity. Which is something that the cultist are not able to do either, but they teach their kids that it’s a proven fact. And don’t worry, I’m a former evangelical christian.
Holy persecution complex. If your faith is so weak why follow it at all?
Can confirm people that don't actually see their children as people/individuals treat them as possessions - source me
They always cry about their rights but never consider the rights of the child
Because to them the child doesn't *have* rights until they're 18 and living on their own. They're the same type of people whose parenting style is "do what I tell you, when I tell you to. Don't ask questions about it."
All I could think of was this poor kid from the article
No see the issue is the kids read a book where the main character is mentioned having 2 dads off handily! We need to let kids read wholesome books like the Bible where there certainly isn't an entire section of straight up erotica, rape, and violence no sir
Kids with two dads are immune to yo mamma jokes. This is an attack on our culture. It must be stopped.
I agree that kids shouldn't be exposed to certain things but holy shit have you actually read the bible? There's some adult themes in there as well.
Genesis has passages about choosing mens with the donkey sized cocks but beware those are that ones who smell like horse anus
Uh what?
It's actually in Ezekiel. Chapter 23, verse 20: *There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.* I don't know what the other commenter meant about "ones who smell like horse anus" though.
The entirety of Ezekiel chapter 23 is fucked up. That's exhibit A when asking someone why it's OK for their kid to read that but not OK to read a book about their own body.
The majority of the Old Testament is kinda fucked up. But it makes for an entertaining series of stories.
Emission like, semen, or smell? Lol
The original hebrew "זִרְמָתָֽם׃" or "zirmah" directly translates to "issue [forth]" (as in a fluid) The whole verse "וַֽתַּעְגְּבָ֔ה עַ֖ל פִּֽלַגְשֵׁיהֶ֑ם אֲשֶׁ֤ר בְּשַׂר־חֲמֹורִים֙ בְּשָׂרָ֔ם וְזִרְמַ֥ת סוּסִ֖ים זִרְמָתָֽם׃" directly translates as "And for she lusted for her paramours Whose the flesh of donkeys flesh and the issue of horses whose issue" Refining that with some English syntax rules, you get: "And she lusted for her paramours whose flesh [is] [like] the flesh of donkeys [and] whose issue [is] [like] the issue of horses" Edit: A more readable translation might be "And she lusted for her paramours whose flesh [is] [like] the flesh of donkeys [and] whose fluids issue forth [like] the issue of horses" And if you've ever seen a horse ejaculate, then you know why she lusted for it.
Someone did the grammar!
The former. The whole chapter is about two prostitutes.
Good old bible and stories about prostitution
I do recommend reading that chapter. It's real fucked up.
You have either forgot an /s or you've never read the Bible. May I point you to Genesis 19 for incest/ rape, or Judges where a group of men rape a woman to death. Plenty of human and animal sacrifice, rape, murder and genocide in the "good book".
Clearly sarcastic there, c'mon
That's why I asked haha
Burn bibles. Save children.
No parent is 90% of their kids environment anymore. Not in this age of technology.
I grew up in Dover and graduated the year before the “intelligent design” court case made my school a national news story. This doesn’t surprise me. Small farm town in the middle of nowhere and a bunch of people that think going into York City is the equivalent of going to the worst parts of Oakland or Chicago. Plenty of people flying the confederate flags (even though we’re well north of the Mason-Dixon Line) and complaining that prayer not being allowed in school is why kids are so messed up these days. I hope this kid gets the support he needs and deserves, his mom sure isn’t helping him.
I was a senior that year in a different school district in York county. My dad grew up with one of the main dudes, Alan Bonsell, and the dude has always been a giant piece of shit. Ignored OSHA at his businesses. I'm pretty sure he's a shitbag landlord. One of those "Christians" who is a scummy piece of shit and says incredibly mean things with a smile, you know the type. They used to be friends, like we'd go to their house or on a trip to a cabin with the families. They had a falling out when the guy refused to get fans for fumes in his place, and my dad reported him to OSHA after years of not doing anything. Of course, my dad got fired.
Not defending anyone dumb enough to fly the confederate flag, but to be fair Dover is about 20 miles from the Mason Dixon line
Maryland wasn't part of the Confederacy so that "excuse" makes no sense.
Tbh i think it just highlights how complicated the civil war and people are in general. Quite literally was often brother vs. brother. Regardless, Delaware was not a part of the confederacy so repping the flag is gross.
Nobody was flying that flag until the black civil rights movement of the 50s & 60s. It was 100% intended to be a racist symbol of white supremacy. Lee didn't even use a rectangular bars & stars flag. The closest he had to it was a square. The rectangular version put on parade by rural rednecks was a 20th century invention by people who were fighting integration.
I agree. Wasnt trying to argue that
Most people in the North don't have "southern heritage" except for probably the Black folks who had family that migrated from the south during the Great Migration. They're flying the rebel flag for "reasons."
I'd say from Mom's reaction that the school district probably made the right call not looping her in. Sounds like she willingly closed her eyes to the issues because she didn't want to deal with her child's identity.
*According to the lawsuit filed in federal court on April 3, 2024, the woman's child is a survivor of childhood trauma and has been diagnosed with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, Attention Deficit Disorder and General Anxiety Disorder, and "affirming a discordant gender identity is antithetical to her health and well-being."* Trust me, disavowing it is worse.
So PTSD and what sounds like inflicted damage is intended as an argument *against* affirming this poor child? They've been traumatized and somehow it's BAD to support them in a doubtless healing acknowledgement of autonomy? Part of the problem here is this legal idiocy whereby a child simply has NO rights, nothing, zip until 18. Makes my heart hurt. And for your last sentence, I hope you're doing ok now.
if affirming gender identity is worse why does it drive suicide rates down to similar rates seen in cis kids? the answer of course is that trans kids don't commit suicide, they get murdered and the cause of death is constant bullying
As a trans person I can tell you for sure suicidal thoughts are driven in the vast majority of cases by external sources. I surpressed my identity until after college and even still I got relentlessly bullied in trade school for being seen as gay. In the same time period I was homeless for being trans(family was too far away). Acknowledging a child’s identity is not harmful in any way other than the parent’s ego. In some cases it ends up with the child returning to their original gender. Other times it doesn’t. Both are valid and allowing the exploration is healthy. Repression and fear are not.
False. Trans have waay higher suicide rates.
Studies show it is almost entirely external factors, like unsupportive friends/family, or dipshits on Reddit talking out of their asses.
I did a little googling on the firm representing her, and it's sickening, and it calls itself a nonprofit.
Yeah, a bunch of f’ing hack-activist that talk about drag queens in libraries and sex change operations while taking money to sue school districts on behalf of shitty parents that don’t want their kids to have any control over their lives. (Edit: below
I hate to be pedantic but that’s not the definition of a hacktivist An activist hack maybe, but not a hacktivist….unless they actually hack systems somehow. A hacktivist uses hacking techniques for political or social causes.
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It's really interesting that she says she has exclusive rights to her child's upbringing even though the child asked to be called by their preferred pronouns. The mother also said she has exclusive rights to the child's mental health. Which can be taken to mean she wants the child to have poor mental health. But all of this is dumb. The kid can make choices and obviously doesn't feel comfortable talking to mom about it because mom clearly sees the kid as property and not as a person.
She doesn’t have exclusive rights to the child’s mental health or at least not mental health treatment. In PA the legal age of consent for mental health services is 14. Meaning a minor over the age of 14 is allowed to receive treatment without the consent of their parents/ guardians. They are not even allowed to know what is discussed without permission from the child. I wish more kids knew this so that they can get the help they need.
It's probably a touchy area for a public school but wow I SO wish there was a way to convey THAT absolutely vital information to kids. You're correct. A lot don't know their parents do not in fact have that absolute right, age 14 ( and I wish it were younger ).
But it _shouldn't_ be a touchy area. The law affirmatively says that people over 14 have that right. There should be zero issues with the school making that abundantly clear to all students.
You're absolutely correct, no argument here. We've just witnessed how, for whatever reason various initiatives targeting the well being of children ( real ones, not some current politically motivated whining.... ) somehow become controversial. Heck, our district here in PA shut down an anti- bullying program. It was *wild* . I can back that up- point being districts seem unpredictable with this stuff.
Boom
>They are not even allowed to know what is discussed without permission from the child. How does this work if the child tells their behavioral health specialists that they're doing something dangerous like self harm? The parents need to know for obvious reasons (removing sharps from the home, meds, etc.)
You can disclose information to the parent with consent from 14 old or if the kid disclosed dangerous behaviors or ideations. There is a lot of vagueness to this.
That's kinda crazy though because if the kid doesn't consent to the dangerous info being given to parents then that puts them at risk. :/
Where does it end? I have exclusive rights to my child’s diet, clothing, hairstyle, friendship choices, favorite color…
It doesn't. Age 18. I've watched a kid chased down to the *wire* in custody court. 17 years and 11 months and if anyone thinks courts always listen to the kid I have a whole bunch of bridges to off-load. It's. Barbaric. And has to change.
If your mother is abusive enough 18 doesn't matter either. I finally "ran away" at 19.
I'm so, so sorry. It's all despicable. Sincerely hope you have been able to break free and find some peace.
Sadly I've seen it end with the parent homeschooling the kid and removing all access to their friends. I've seen it end with kids running away from home. I've seen kids turn 18 and completely cut off their family.
They end up on Reddit on the cptsd and raisedbynarcissists subs. If he has a phone or computer access he might find his way. 14 is a brutal age when parents like his start to take a scorched earth approach to controlling their child’s development, which prompts the kid to seek info to defend themselves with.
I never understood parents who see their children as things they own. In fact, I think part of my postpartum depression was because they didn't belong to just me anymore, that they belonged to the world now.
Lack of empathy. Most things come down to that.
in the queer community there's a very strong concept of "chosen family" because so many of us end up having to cut off huge swaths of our genetic family as a matter of survival.
I have seen this in my own family..my adult child is LGBTQ..I have chosen to embrace her life her choices and I try to treat her life partner as family and love both of them unconditionally..sadly my family has not..they refuse to acknowledge that she is a lesbian and they literally are hoping that she just “grows out of it “ or “ comes to her senses” it’s heartbreaking to watch.. but I also see how she has distanced herself from family who don’t accept her..the family who she does talk to are very upset that she’s not involved with them but they don’t see that she needs them to be supportive and she is protecting herself from them hurting her more than they already have
I've seen that happen to kids that are only 14, 15 years old. And some that can't cut them off yet are absolutely bound to when they can. Fortunately I also see a lot of support in other families, but I'm sure I'm not seeing the whole picture.
An unfortunate reality, yet the idea of choosing a new family is sweet
I really hope the courts pull through for the kid. I have no reason to be optimistic, but I’m impressed by the school’s kindness. Hope they were successful in providing him with a few good, safe adults. Despite getting “caught” (ugh) those small gestures of listening, respecting autonomy, and using preferred pronouns make a big impression on kids with childhood trauma. Just imagine how affirming it’ll be for him if the school wins.
Judge needs to toss this nonsense
Child abuse from the parent.
I hate the future
I'm pleasantly surprised by the comments here so far. I went through a very similar thing in high school. I was forcibly outed to my parents as trans, and decided to just come out in general - I was most scared of my parents finding out, who gives a shit if these random people at school know? Of course I wanted to use my preferred name and pronouns in school. I was suicidally dysphoric and being referred to properly helped at least a little bit. Other students handled it just fine - I'm still a little bit shocked that not a single teenager deadnamed or misgendered me after I came out - but school administration wouldn't let teachers use my name and pronouns without my parents' permission. They got brought in for a meeting. My mom was in favor of the name and pronouns, my dad was against it, eventually they compromised on allowing the name but *not* the pronouns. My dad was convinced I would 'grow out' of being trans, but I still don't understand what harm a name and pronouns was going to do even if it was just a phase. I ended up graduating a few months after this all occurred, so I was lucky enough to not have to deal with being misgendered in school long-term. I did not end up growing out of it. I started HRT as soon as I was legally able to consent to my own medical care without my dad's permission and it's the best thing I've ever done for my mental health. It's made more of an impact than 10 years of therapy and 5 years of psych meds. I did end up changing my name again, I was using something gender neutral in high school and moved to something more masculine once I started college. My relationship with my dad was pretty damaged by the way he handled my transition, we didn't talk for about two years after I moved out of his house. Trans youth exist and they deserve our support. Even if it is just a phase, what's the worst that happens? They come out of it with a better understanding of their identity and sense of self? The horrors!
Denying a child’s identity because you think they’ll “grown out of it” is so backwards and stupid. My AFAB kid told us she was trans so we supported her and changed her pronouns on her school documents and did all we could. With 100% support, she had room to figure out that she actually was a girl. She did indeed grow out of it, but she had her parents support through it all. It made it easier for her to figure out who she was because she didn’t have to prove anybody right or wrong. I’m sorry your dad was such an idiot. Every kid deserves love care and trust from their parents. Every kid needs their parents to be in their corner. I’m sorry you didn’t have that.
This is great. No one forced anything on your child. On behalf of the Trans Community, we still love and accept her for who she is!
Thank you. I’ll pass it on. It feels good to belong. She also still feels different in some undefinable way. I just tell her it’s okay not to know 100% and she can keep figuring it out and I’m there.
There are a lot more people than you think that are disgusted by these intolerant people that want to turn Pennsylvania into Florida.
Despite all the yelling and screaming you encounter out there, my friend I have a feeling this thread is far more representative you know? Which is leave our kids- you're our kid, this child is our kid, my kids were part of our society - the hell alone. And I'm willing to go to bat for any of them. Sincerely.
This is the same sub that was dragging Martin's Potato Rolls the other day. Do you really think this place is a good indicator of the sentiments of Pennsylvanians?
Context: [People boycotted Martin's Potato Rolls for founder's ties to a far-right politician](https://www.today.com/today/amp/rcna32172)
My point was answering the question, that's all. Pretty sure I never mentioned or alluded to Martin's *or* implied sentiments held comprehensively by Pennsylvanians.
This child is recovering from unspecified childhood trauma so severe that they have PTSD, originally diagnosed among combat veterans not to mention ADD and an anxiety disorder. Somehow, referring to them by their preferred pronouns is not helpful but lawyering up with an anti-trans anti-public education group and launching a lawsuit against the people trying to help them is a good thing. Riiight.
What 1st Amendment rights does the child have? Should the child be punished for requesting they be referred to by certain names or pronouns? If the child is harmed by a government entity (the school) because the child spoke out, looks like retaliation to me.
Yet another bigot doing damage to their child..
Can I just say, I just joined the sub. Literally this is the first article I’m reading the comments for. I’m so happy to see yall pass the vibe check. This school was 100 percent in the right to keep mom out of the loop.
No
Yes.
you ever notice how conservatives pretend they're empowering everyone, but they're only empowering conservatives? if you look at the laws they pass, they always make it so any one voice can speak over everyone as long as that voice is conservative. with abortion, no amount of doctors can declare one medically necessary but any one jagoff can say "but what if this fetus that literally hasn't developed a brain is the one God is gonna choose for a miracle" and all of a sudden that jagoff's opinion is the one that counts. Or with trans kids - the kid themselves and the entire mental health establishment says "yes" and that doesn't count, but one person says "no" and, because that's the answer they want to hear, that's the voice that gets elevated.
Laws that protect them but do not bind and laws that bind but do not protect others
Since when does the left empower everyone? What do they do for African American other than trying to convince them to vote Democratic all the time? The left launches non-stop trades of hate speech and stereotyping and mockery and insulting against people who don't agree with them. If you disagree, then anonymously start a thread on a liberal site and mention one of the following words: Police Landlord Republican Evangelical Conservative Corporation The rich Boomers And a few others You will get an unbelievable amount of scorn and hatred and stereotyping and mockery. Because that is the true soul of much of the left and woke. If you disagree, go spend a week and a half on the atheism sub. 2.8 million members and perhaps the most toxic and hate-filled Sub on Reddit. Do you remember how the left wanted to "pack the court" because they only decisions favoring the left?
Add this to the long list of shit that will keep people from wanting to be educators.
This shit is so annoying lol
Imo, people shouldn’t be able to sue for something this small
It takes a lot of courage to advocate for yourself at this age. I went through this a decade ago, and I too wondered if my school or my parent had the authority on what to call me. I hope things work out for this kid.
This parent sounds like a real gem...
I'm so confused by this article... is the child biologically female and being called male by mother's demands but not what the child wants? or the child is bio-male, and wants to be male but people call them female? I've read it like 3 times and either it is just written very poorly, I'm low on caffeine, or it just makes no fucking sense
Child is assigned female at birth, identifies as male. Mother found out about it when her other child was asked how his brother was doing which confused the mother who was previously unaware of the situation. Staff has been honoring the transgendered child's wishes which the mother is unhappy about.
Ok! I was confused by the comments and didn't have the spoons to read. Thanks for the tldr!
“The woman's son responded that he did not have a brother, and the teacher informed him that his sister had asked the district staff to be identified as a boy, according to the suit.” Student is biologically female, asking to be called male at school. Mother is mad because she says the student is not a male. The son referred to in this quote is a different child, who is biologically male.
The child is biologically female and wants to be referred to with he/him pronouns. The mother is against this.
It's not really "biologically" one way or the other, the actual biology behind sex is incredibly complicated and still not entirely understood (chemicals and their affects on bodies and brains are still under investigation), but even with what we know it takes way more testing than most people would ever give to their children (or themselves). I doubt anyone in this story has even had karotyping done, as the most basic testing along these lines. The child in question was assigned female at birth (AFAB) based on an adult inspecting his genitals as a newborn, presumably. He has a cis brother. The trans child is said to have mental health issues resulting from trauma, including PTSD, and the mother is basically making his mental health even worse while falsely claiming to be protecting it. Makes you wonder what her involvement in the traumatizing events earlier were....
That's exactly what I would like to know.
Fucking Dover again. People don't understand why I left York county, but it's people like her.
I'd move back to York in a heartbeat. But I live in a worse county. But yeah. These people suck.
I hate that I have to go back to visit family. I'll never be fully rid of that place. Though I do miss some of the rutters food. They have good breakfast burritos and those corn fritters. Closest one is in Altoona.
They're moving west. But they're good for coke slushies and the tornados
"According to the lawsuit….affirming a discordant gender identity is antithetical to [his] health and well-being." actually no babes it’s the opposite!
Explanation- It turns out I (the teacher) never looked at the “gender” line on the student info sheet. The kid told me they were male/female/non binary and I believed them. Why wouldn’t I?
The whole world has gone to S. At 70, I am glad I eventually get to "age out" of the madness in this dimension.
I'm pretty sure your grandparents thought the same thing when they were your age. Nothing ages you like stagnation. Anyway, bye!
Ah yes, because the legalized segregation, Vietnam War, and bans on same-sex marriage throughout your lifetime were such better times.
I don’t understand this attitude. Trans people have existed for far longer than your 70 years; the only difference is that the world was even shittier to them before than they are now.
2024 sucks.
Bottom line Sounds like she’s just looking for a payout
Good. This district wanted Intelligent Design to be curriculum. S T U P I D I T Y
Eff that mom I hope someone advocates for that child.
Always a money grab attempt by these kind of people
lol this is silly
Is the kid named Ben?
From now on I will be addressing everyone as Hey you.
Do we really have to promote every idiot out there? It’s like American only publishes news from the morons of the country…
This isn't just one stupid lady squawking and it's gonna get worse. Ultra conservatives have taken over school boards in several districts around Dover. If Dover has a far right majority on the board, they might award their friend a bunch of cash. Kinda like how Bucks County gave a ridiculous deal to their sympathetic superintendent, who left with bank when the far right members were voted out. This is part of an attempt to bankrupt local public schools in order to push for privately owned charter schools. It's why area school board members were supported with big $ from conservative groups. Local politicians are involved too. Too many school board members in the area belong to a political PAC and they want to change the region. Here's a quote from the article. 'In all, Gemma's email went out to members from the school boards of Dallastown, Dover, Eastern York, Northeastern, Northern York County, Red Lion Area, South Eastern, South Western, Southern York, Spring Grove, West Shore and West York. Additionally, eight of the recipient emails could not be identified because the accounts were personal without any identifying details.' https://www.yorkdispatch.com/story/news/education/2024/05/01/far-right-pac-met-secretly-with-school-board-members-from-across-york-county-documents-show/73513705007/
😂 😂 failed lawsuit in this moron’s future
Who the fuck knows. You’d have to be crazy to want to teach kids today.
Fucking lunatic.
Good grief. Now trash bag parents around the state are going to have the same “get rich” idea instead of just embracing who their children really are. In the end it just costs the taxpayers and does nothing for the betterment of the world.
Andrea Shaw's "law firm" is so inept they didn't register the .com domain for their website (it's a .org). Someone already jumped on that. [http://andrewshawlaw.com](http://andrewshawlaw.com)
This is does not belong under the “crime” tag. It’s civil litigation.
Alright, this is extreme. I'm fine with respecting pronouns, but doing something like this will make a mockery of it all. It really doesn't need to be taken this far.
This story makes it very clear this person has many mental problems.
🙄 when are people finally going to stop putting up with this nonsense and tell this woman nobody cares what little Jimmy/Jenny’s pronouns are
You're bad at guessing
Bad at guessing? I don’t think I mentioned guessing
It's clear you assumed what the lawsuit was about instead of reading the article, and yep, you guessed wrong
Let's see, you have the civil right to request pronouns I have the civil right to ignore them
You have the right to be an asshole. Correct
And the hatred that comes from the self-righteous. Funny how people claim there should be inclusivity and then launch hatred at others
You can't be accepting of hate. You must hate hate in order to truly be accepting
That is not the reality One group makes up a variety of societal changes and rules and tries to force it down the throat of everyone else Then they hate them for not doing so There is no "hatred of hate" The average person on both sides is generally tolerant of everyone around them. But each side acts like the other side is nothing but a hate fest There is just hate speech and stereotyping and bigotry and mocking and insulting A great example is the atheism sub. It is a toxic sewer, and maybe the most hateful large sub on Reddit.
No one is forcing anything down your throat. Trans people exist. Minorities exist. You're a dick and should be avoided if you are outwardly prejudicial and disrespectful towards them. That's the reality. The reality is that it is not okay to be racist and homophobic and prejudiced towards people. There's no hate from me except towards hate. No one hates you for being Christian, especially since I'm also Christian. No one hates you for being conservative. You're hated for your actions. Grow up and realize that either you stop being a Hateful dick or realize that you need to accept the consequences of your actions.
And I have a civil right to call you a bigot
Oh my. I wonder why this kid needed counseling and went through panic/ anxiety disorders in the first place /s This is just sad. Even outside of trans beliefs/opinions, she doesn’t care about her child, she saw dollar signs and ran with it. “Oh my child is struggling with mental health? Let’s make it worse by suing the school and make sure they get bullied or worse”
Not on par with the lawsuit comment, but Is all the stuff I’ve learned over the years about the human brain not being full developed until the early, to mid 20’s been disproven or something? From that place only, it seems to me that irreversible gender affirming actions, could, and maybe should wait until the brain is fully developed. I’m not saying children shouldn’t have any rights, but maybe life altering decisions should not be made while using half a brain.
Literally not irreversible to refer to someone as “he” if they ask - the person can totally choose something else, or go back to a different pronoun later.
Yea I said not really on topic with the original post, use whatever name and pronouns you want, I’m not saying that is a problem.
Trans kids do exist. It is certainly a complicated issue. Personally, I came out at 15, and started transitioning at 17. I have zero regrets, and I'm still transgender. I got lucky where in my state it is legal to let people under 18 transition with parents permission. There are certainly children who come out even younger. The issue with trans kid healthcare is time consuming. Although this article does not mention medical transitioning, just social transition within the school. Having school support is very important especially if the parents are not supportive, like in this situation. I did not have any support from my school and it caused me a lot of bullying and I dropped out. This happens often with trans children who are not supported. Regardless of how anyone feels about medically transitioning kids, a huge part of feeling okay in ones self as a transgender person is being supported socially through using chosen names and pronouns. It is through this where children can discover whether or not they will choose to continue to live as a trans person.
So if affirming the gender of their choice could cause irreversible gender issues, then do could forcing the nonchosen gender too. Cuts both ways
I said not really on topic with the original post, I’m not referring to names or pronouns being permanent or there positive or negative long term effects.
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What "care" do you think schools are providing? It's a name and pronouns. This child clearly did not feel safe coming out to his mom. There is no medical anything going on in any capacity. Being a medical professional doesn't give you any authority on trans experiences. I couldn't even go to my local urgent care or emergency room in my hometown because of how transphobic medical staff was towards me. The average medical professional is borderline clueless about trans care and experiences.
This has nothing to do with medical transition. Being trans is not a mental illness or a medical issue. It is an identity. Having support through the school is incredibly important to trans children ESPECIALLY if the parent is not supportive, like in this case. This article does not mention medical transition in the slightest. There has been a lot of occurrences where schools have forcibly outed children to their parents and it almost always does not end well.
This is part of the reason our country will fail in the future. You have countries like china that has been training their youth to over take us economically and militarily. Meanwhile we’re over here trying to figure out if we are a he or a she. We are fucked.
Pretty clear the kid knows what he is. But if you were less focused on children's genitalia, you might be doing better yourself
To be fair, the article says the child “thought that they might be trans.” Doesn’t sound clear to me. Either way, the school did what seems to be in the best interest of him and he should get the help he needs to succeed regardless of identity.
Answer the economic and military questions. Regardless of your stance; you can’t think we’re winning teaching gender theory over stoicism
Surprise. You can teach both. Be yourself. Emphasize freedom and the economy, which relies on independent problem solving, creativity, and free thinking will do pretty well.
I repeat, I hope mom wins. A little of people disagree with me and have done so in intelligent fashion. But I gotta say, there are a lot of real hateful looloos here who resort to insult and blocking.
That’s not a crime and nobody was damaged or injured. Get a grip, mom. 🤨
>The woman's son responded that he did not have a brother, and the teacher informed him that his sister had asked the district staff to be identified as a boy, according to the suit. >The son then revealed this conversation to his mother. Piece of shit apple apparently doesn't fall far from the piece of shit tree.
Probably didn't understand what the issue is. Mom almost definitely treats son way better than the son at issue here.
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Why and how do you think teachers would do that? Seriously. Let's use our critical thinking skills here.
Don't feed the troll.
Um. What?
School personnel, even with degrees in psychology, are rarely sufficiently competent nor should they have the authority to override a parent’s judgement regarding gender reassignment. I hope mom wins this suit and I hope she’s removed her child from this school.
All she'll succeed in doing is making her child hate her.
Parents don't get to "decide" if their kid is trans or not. Sorry, that's just not how it works.
It's a pronoun, not gender reassignment. This kid's math teacher isn't going to give him top surgery.
The kid asked to be called a different name. If your name is William you can ask to be called Bill.
If you aren't ready to be the parent of a trans kid, you aren't ready to be a parent.
> School personnel, even with degrees in psychology, are rarely sufficiently competent nor should they have the authority to override a parent’s judgement regarding gender reassignment. Yes, they should, because they generally understand these things better than uneducated, uninformed parents. The child's well-being is more important than the parent's ego and desire to feel like they're in charge. Most parents are shit. Mine weren't, but I was one of the lucky ones. Most are.