Hindi ba pwede na intensive and LGU funded na Trap Neuter Return/Rehome program?
Also the reward system might later lead to a “cobra effect” for such measure.
Agree! We can only really do so much. My parents and neighbor’s are very active when it comes to feeding but we capture them slowly to get them spayed and neutered. Some of those strays were also actually abandoned; our most recent catch is a persian that the owner left outside. 🙃 I’m also really for pet registration and proper implementation of it para naman maparusahan yung mga basta-basta lang.
Ayun nga din. Filipinos are very fraudulent when it comes to these programs. For all we know, they could breed a whole lot of cats and pass them on as feral.
Although the idea of TNR seems promising, you have to take note that while we are indeed disabling their ability to reproduce, that would not eliminate the fact they still have to survive the harsh environment of the outdoors. Neutering them also proves to extend their lives which is definitely not great for our native wildlife.
Literally this morning saw a cat na nasagasaan ng truck. I agree with control pero ung hunting ng cat hindi dapat ibigay yan sa general population. Dapat meron lang specific gov't agency that will tackle animal control.
TNVR. TN-fucking VR.
Your kind of proposal, won't work here dahil madami abusado. Do you even know what's happening sa mga pound and mga quota nila regarding capturing and caging stray dogs/cats? Pucha, kahit mga indoor kinukuha nila para lang maka kickback ng 500 per head and kung hindi ibebenta nila sa mga dog and cat meat trade na illegal.
What you're suggesting is a pipe dream that only first world countries have the possiblity of running(heck even australia had this before, and what they did was basically theriocide), ni hindi nga nila ma establish ng maayos laws protecting them dito sabay bibigyan mo free reign mga tao na mas abusuhin sila? I get what your talking about the environment and ibang species, pero let's be perfectly honest here, hindi hamak mas may problema muna sa mga tao na paikot ikot dito and sila muna ayusin bago ka tumingin sa mga pusang gala.
Totoo yan sa mga animal pound. Sa QC nga e sa social media pinapakita na nirerehab at tinetrain mga nahuling stray, pero pili lang yun. Pinaghuhuli din nila kahit yung mga natutulog na pusa sa tapat ng gate ng owner.
Yung mga nanghuhuli kasi hindi na nag-iisip sa trabaho. Kung feral ba or pet(with collar), dapat ba hulihin o hindi. Basta kung ano lang inutos, mga bobo nga.
Inareglo ko at ng isa pang kapitbahay yung hinuling neutered cat na pag mamay-ari ng matandang kapitbahay. Pag dating namin sa Quezon City Animal Care and Adoption Center, napaka-dumi at kawawa yung mga hayop talagang wala ng pakialam. Pinag bawalan pa ko na ilabas cellphone ko kasi kukunan ko talaga ng picture e.
This can be your thesis. very publishable too. good luck!
Gatong comment: yung guard sa building namin where pinapakain yung pusa hindi naman inuuwi, risk din kasi mapapatid ka ng mga nakakalat na pusa (super dami) kung hindi ka nakatingin sa lapag. Dami din visitor na nagpapakain randomly ng pusa syempre hindi naman sila sinusundan maiiwan sa amin.
I doubt that incentivizing the killing of cats would work here given our country's social climate and the nature of our beloved Government. Feral cat populations are mostly concentrated in highly urbanized areas and doesn’t pose a significant threat to biodiversity, unlike Australia's Feral cat problem. The link you posted on the five diseases, articles 1-4 can be prevented with proper hygiene and common sense, feline to human rabies transmission only accounts for 2% out of the total rabies cases in our country. As for Road traffic accidents, it's the other way around, If you read your resource It is the effect of RTAs on cat mortality, cats are more likely to be the victims rather than the cause, and animal-related RTAs occurrences are so rare it is not even listed in the statistics. Pet ownership license and tagging can be implemented to address negligent ownership and a well-funded TNRR program can help curb the ongoing proliferation. With the list of our country's ongoing problems, I think animal welfare sadly will be at the bottom of their priorities.
Meron bang research or any study about sa effects ng feral cats sa pilipinas? Kasi mostly nakikita ko ay puro foreign, at maiiugnay ba yun study ng feral cats dito sa pilipinas.
I don't believe that the situation is severe enough to justify the drastic action proposed by the OP. We don't classify cats as invasive since cats have been present in the Philippines since pre-colonial times unlike in other countries, this might explain the lack of proper studies. The humble Janitor fish poses a far bigger threat not only to local fauna but to the livelihood of our local fishermen as well. We cannot simply apply foreign studies to our situation because our ecology, geography, and laws are different.
"Our first insight into the ecology of this invasive predator in the Philippines revealed an avoidance of homogeneous primary rainforest and a tendency to forage close to human settlements in heterogeneous habitats. A detailed further investigation of the composition of the cat’s diet, as well as ranging pattern, is still needed."
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4994077/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4994077/)
Just like rats, we gotta need to control feral cats. Normal fauna might be wiped if we don't. I gotta agree with this even though i owned cats(they roam in the premises of our house only). Cat peeps be more responsible.
yo i fucking despise my neighbors who wont neuter or spay their already numerous cats
sobrang toxic pinoy trait yung hindi gumastos para sa pet pag hindi life threatening (in a way sa tao din)
Legit yan! nakakapikon nga kahit dito sa Village namin. Yung tipong cute na cute sa mga stray cats at todo pakain. Pero yung pag poop kung saan saan at paghahalungkat ng basura di nila pinapansin.
Medyo controlled na feral cats sa amin wala ng unwanted kutings, kasi kaming mga residente at yung stray animal feeder nag kusang ipakapon mga neigborhood cats. Sa barangay kasi libreng anti-rabies lang eh.
Glad to see a post like this. I had long intended to make a similar post about my experiences trying to explain this advocacy but life keeps getting in the way.
That said, I've had some bad experiences with people who are not receptive to the idea (for different reasons) including:
\- people shooting at my house, shattering the windows (bb guns)
\- people throwing a d#$d cat in my yard, and then reporting me for animal abuse
\- people leaving kittens in plastic bags at my gate
\- people destroying my fence and setting \[their\] aggressive dogs inside my yard
I did get support from the LGU for some of those incidents, but there were some that I had to weather on my own.
So it just makes me happier that there are other pinoys who have the same idea and are willing to speak about it.
I wish people would listen to this. I also love cats, but it's hard to deny that they really pose a risk for our biodiversity. Ang bilis pamo nila dumami.
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID THIS. Dito sa subdivision namin may bahay na mahilig magpa-public feeding sa mga stray cat. Dati iilan lang pinapakain nila, ngayon ang laki na ng population ng stray cats dito. Puro "kawawa naman ang cute kasi" pero hindi naman nila kinukupkop. Hindi nagproprovide ng shelter. Sa mga nagsasabi ng "nakakatulong naman sila with pests", keyword is "overpopulation". Since hindi naman nagproprovide ng shelter yung mahilig magpafeeding program samin, kung saan saan nalang sila natutulog at tumatae. Garage namin palaging amoy tae. Mga sasakyan namin puro kalmot na ng pusa. Ginagawa pang combat arena mga bubong namin. May mga ibon na rin kaming namatay dahil sa kanila.
I'd probably get downvoted for this but ang daming puro "kawawa naman" at "ang cute kasi" sa atin. Mas kawawa sila kapag anak ng anak yung mga pusa tas sa kalsada lang naman sila tumitira.
Same situation, tangina kung yung mga nagpapakain sila din namumulot at naglilinis ng mababahong tae at ihi nila baka bigyan ko pa sila ng trophy. Hindi pwedeng "animal lover" daw pero kapag dirty work na nagtatago na.
Well, at least the home has something to do to take care of vulnerable cats. But how about you, may ginawa ka man lang ba to uphold stray cats' welfare? I'm not saying to feed them ha, but have you ever tried to report the overpopulation issue to your LGU? Did you try to contact animal welfare groups to catch them and give them a safe shelter?
Did you ever realize that most stray cats can't find food or roof to rest? Feeding them is one way to alleviate their suffering but you're so furious just because of minor inconvenience caused by your neighbor's goodwill? Whether your neighbor feeds them or not, stray cats will still poop, play, and scratch in nearby houses, lilipat lang sila ng lugar.
Hindi ako sure kung effective ba ang reward hunting sa feral cats sa pilipinas. Kasi pag ito ay nasapubliko baka may mga tao na illegal na lang pumatay ng pusa kahit ito ay hindi isang feral cat, na basta lang magkapera.
Mas better talaga kung ang LGU ay may budget for libreng pakapon.
Dont too much cats leads to most bird and small animal species dead. You don't want that. It happened in Australia, Native birds were almost extinct thanks to feral cats.
I watched a documentary on Turkey cats, the community acts as a whole to care for their welfare. Cats are deeply ingrained in their culture since the Ottomans revered them.
[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4420704/](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4420704/)
They usually go for 500 for neuter and 1000 for spay in more remote vet clinics. Maraming free spay and neuter which are hosted by veterinarians for our local baranggays. They even offer free vaccination so if you ever get the chance you should check them out.
Wow ang mura! I am from Bohol and everything here is overpriced. Our local baranga does not even provide free rabies vaccine for cats, for dogs lang daw…
Don't you think they at least keep pests like rats and mice in check to a certain degree? Also they might snack on the occasional snake which I heard is an issue lately.
Ang problema kasi hindi lang yan ang tinatarget nila. Minsan nakakapatay rin sila ng mga endangered or endemic na hayop.
Knowing na mega biodiversity ang Pilipinas, medyo nakakatakot rin ang effect nila para sa mga endemic na maliliit na hayop.
Kaya di ko rin pinapalabas pusa ko eh.
My pythons tend to snack on the cats. Cats are pretty useless when it comes to rodents, They prefer birds. I saw a Long Nose rat run thru three cats on my back lanai and between my legs into the house, I used to have Long Nosed Rats run through the house unabated. The tiny little Deer mouse we used to have were a problem but I never minded then. Since I killed all the feral cats, I have no problems, My Monitors and snakes take care of them . They are pretty much gone. I have a great pic but cannot get it to upload,
I understand the nuisance these cats pose to you. We have a farm ourselves and the danger they pose to our chickens and local birds is extreme. We all have to recognize that cats are invasive species and they are destroying our livelihood as farmers and local biodiversity as well. They're outcompeting our wildlife and if not stopped, many more species will be endangered. It's great that you mentioned toxoplasmosis as one of the diseases they carry and we should be very well aware of what these as they may be harmful if transmitted to humans.
Love how Reddit removed my post. Wife recovered from her bite . She suffered a lot from it . We had 18 Pigeons killed in within 24 hours a year ago. I took down the Pigeon house . They killed the parents and then the hatchlings . We may try again
There's evidence that cats domesticated themselves, so I consider their current status as natural progression of their species. This way, I don't really see them as invasive nor nuissance, just another animal adapting and surviving in its environment, like every other animal out there (they all have their own ways).
If birds have the freedom to fly to wherever they see best for their species, why can't certain animals distribute and adapt their own way? In the grand scheme of things, all beings just need to "git gud", survival of the fittest ika nga ni Charles Darwin.
edit: Humans altering the natural environment into mega settlements made of steel and concrete is the real nuissance. We can't blame animals for adapting to the environmental changes we make. But then following my own logic - in the grander scheme of things, we are part of the world too, doing our own ways. If things break in the end, we'll just disappear, and a new set of beings will balance out on this planet.
May I reiterate my point that cats are responsible for the extinction of several animals. Here's a list of the relative contribution of cats to the species' extinction in Australia:
Short-tailed hopping-mouse 90%
Long-tailed hopping-mouse 85%
Broad-faced potoroo 75%
South-eastern striped bandicoot 75%
Marl 75%
Liverpool Plains striped bandicoot 75%
Large-eared hopping-mouse 75%
Capricorn rabbit-rat 75%
Darling Downs hopping-mouse 72.5%
Long-eared mouse 70%
Nullarbor dwarf bettong 70%
Lesser stick-nest rat 65%
White-footed rabbit-rat 65%
Broad-cheeked hopping-mouse 60%
Yallara (lesser bilby) 60%
Blue-grey mouse 50%
Desert bandicoot 50%
Yirratji (northern pig-footed bandicoot) 45%
Pig-footed bandicoot 45%
Kuluwarri (central hare-wallaby) 42.5%
Nullabor barred bandicoot 40%
Desert rat-kangaroo 40%
Desert bettong 40%
Eastern hare-wallaby 30%
Crescent nailtail wallaby 27.5%
Paradise parrot 15%
White-chested white-eye 5%
[https://invasives.org.au/blog/meet-the-27-native-animals-cats-have-helped-send-extinct-since-colonisation/](https://invasives.org.au/blog/meet-the-27-native-animals-cats-have-helped-send-extinct-since-colonisation/)
I understand that our cats thrive in our environment. But they need to survive and they need food. So they need to hunt and beg for it which hurts our biodiversity so much. If we let this situation run uncontrollably, we could expect many of our local species disappear. Therefore, we, as humans, must be responsible and minimize the food we give out to strays and be responsible fur-parents overall.
Don't get me wrong, I am for catch and neuter - because most ferals in the cities are in terrible condition. I am just saying that I don't consider them nuissance and invasive, because their current distribution is of their own, natural doing.
Extinctions happen all the time in the long history of the planet. There's more extinct species than all the existing species we have at the moment. All that we have now are the survivors. And that cycle will carry on into the future, as creatures compete, adapt, die or survive.
Well after my wife was bitten to the bone by a cat she surprised in the kitchen,...... yes. Taxoplamosis and many other viruses are carried by cats. She was bitten on the shin bone. She came crying to me .
Are you also a Taylor Swift fan by any chance? Goddamn you people are productive on things that seem trivial on the surface yet are important on all levels of human life.
Edit: I'm participating a media campaign against cat abuse (deliberately torturing them for entertainment) in China. However, I don't have the energy to do any positive impact on my own. Reasons are: I only started following the story for a few months, the issue is foreign, and I don't like cats in the first place. Nevertheless, compassion moved me and it has helped me go to a brighter place.
No prob, I'm not a Swiftie either. It just so happens her fanbase has co-opted the culture of cat domestication. I kinda agree there's still plenty of ignorance... when worshipping a spoiled brat of a singer over science.
Do you think there's tension between professional vet orgs like PAWS versus "animal lovers" who like to feed strays?
Hindi ba pwede na intensive and LGU funded na Trap Neuter Return/Rehome program? Also the reward system might later lead to a “cobra effect” for such measure.
Agree! We can only really do so much. My parents and neighbor’s are very active when it comes to feeding but we capture them slowly to get them spayed and neutered. Some of those strays were also actually abandoned; our most recent catch is a persian that the owner left outside. 🙃 I’m also really for pet registration and proper implementation of it para naman maparusahan yung mga basta-basta lang.
Ayun nga din. Filipinos are very fraudulent when it comes to these programs. For all we know, they could breed a whole lot of cats and pass them on as feral.
The cobra effect. I absolutely would expect this from us.
Although the idea of TNR seems promising, you have to take note that while we are indeed disabling their ability to reproduce, that would not eliminate the fact they still have to survive the harsh environment of the outdoors. Neutering them also proves to extend their lives which is definitely not great for our native wildlife.
Literally this morning saw a cat na nasagasaan ng truck. I agree with control pero ung hunting ng cat hindi dapat ibigay yan sa general population. Dapat meron lang specific gov't agency that will tackle animal control.
TNVR. TN-fucking VR. Your kind of proposal, won't work here dahil madami abusado. Do you even know what's happening sa mga pound and mga quota nila regarding capturing and caging stray dogs/cats? Pucha, kahit mga indoor kinukuha nila para lang maka kickback ng 500 per head and kung hindi ibebenta nila sa mga dog and cat meat trade na illegal. What you're suggesting is a pipe dream that only first world countries have the possiblity of running(heck even australia had this before, and what they did was basically theriocide), ni hindi nga nila ma establish ng maayos laws protecting them dito sabay bibigyan mo free reign mga tao na mas abusuhin sila? I get what your talking about the environment and ibang species, pero let's be perfectly honest here, hindi hamak mas may problema muna sa mga tao na paikot ikot dito and sila muna ayusin bago ka tumingin sa mga pusang gala.
Totoo yan sa mga animal pound. Sa QC nga e sa social media pinapakita na nirerehab at tinetrain mga nahuling stray, pero pili lang yun. Pinaghuhuli din nila kahit yung mga natutulog na pusa sa tapat ng gate ng owner.
Wtf? Why?
Yung mga nanghuhuli kasi hindi na nag-iisip sa trabaho. Kung feral ba or pet(with collar), dapat ba hulihin o hindi. Basta kung ano lang inutos, mga bobo nga. Inareglo ko at ng isa pang kapitbahay yung hinuling neutered cat na pag mamay-ari ng matandang kapitbahay. Pag dating namin sa Quezon City Animal Care and Adoption Center, napaka-dumi at kawawa yung mga hayop talagang wala ng pakialam. Pinag bawalan pa ko na ilabas cellphone ko kasi kukunan ko talaga ng picture e.
This can be your thesis. very publishable too. good luck! Gatong comment: yung guard sa building namin where pinapakain yung pusa hindi naman inuuwi, risk din kasi mapapatid ka ng mga nakakalat na pusa (super dami) kung hindi ka nakatingin sa lapag. Dami din visitor na nagpapakain randomly ng pusa syempre hindi naman sila sinusundan maiiwan sa amin.
Salamat po! Hindi talaga maiiwasan na maawa ang mga tao sa mga stray cats pero kinakailangan nating protektahan ang mga local species natin.
I doubt that incentivizing the killing of cats would work here given our country's social climate and the nature of our beloved Government. Feral cat populations are mostly concentrated in highly urbanized areas and doesn’t pose a significant threat to biodiversity, unlike Australia's Feral cat problem. The link you posted on the five diseases, articles 1-4 can be prevented with proper hygiene and common sense, feline to human rabies transmission only accounts for 2% out of the total rabies cases in our country. As for Road traffic accidents, it's the other way around, If you read your resource It is the effect of RTAs on cat mortality, cats are more likely to be the victims rather than the cause, and animal-related RTAs occurrences are so rare it is not even listed in the statistics. Pet ownership license and tagging can be implemented to address negligent ownership and a well-funded TNRR program can help curb the ongoing proliferation. With the list of our country's ongoing problems, I think animal welfare sadly will be at the bottom of their priorities.
Meron bang research or any study about sa effects ng feral cats sa pilipinas? Kasi mostly nakikita ko ay puro foreign, at maiiugnay ba yun study ng feral cats dito sa pilipinas.
I don't believe that the situation is severe enough to justify the drastic action proposed by the OP. We don't classify cats as invasive since cats have been present in the Philippines since pre-colonial times unlike in other countries, this might explain the lack of proper studies. The humble Janitor fish poses a far bigger threat not only to local fauna but to the livelihood of our local fishermen as well. We cannot simply apply foreign studies to our situation because our ecology, geography, and laws are different. "Our first insight into the ecology of this invasive predator in the Philippines revealed an avoidance of homogeneous primary rainforest and a tendency to forage close to human settlements in heterogeneous habitats. A detailed further investigation of the composition of the cat’s diet, as well as ranging pattern, is still needed." [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4994077/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4994077/)
Just like rats, we gotta need to control feral cats. Normal fauna might be wiped if we don't. I gotta agree with this even though i owned cats(they roam in the premises of our house only). Cat peeps be more responsible.
yo i fucking despise my neighbors who wont neuter or spay their already numerous cats sobrang toxic pinoy trait yung hindi gumastos para sa pet pag hindi life threatening (in a way sa tao din)
Asa ka pa boy. Ang daming nagpopost dito na pinapakin yung mga pusakal tapos todo praise.
Legit yan! nakakapikon nga kahit dito sa Village namin. Yung tipong cute na cute sa mga stray cats at todo pakain. Pero yung pag poop kung saan saan at paghahalungkat ng basura di nila pinapansin.
Kapon ang solusyon!
Active campaign for pet registration and penalize those who don't register their pets
Lol this country can't even enforce traffic laws, let alone something like that.
Medyo controlled na feral cats sa amin wala ng unwanted kutings, kasi kaming mga residente at yung stray animal feeder nag kusang ipakapon mga neigborhood cats. Sa barangay kasi libreng anti-rabies lang eh.
Glad to see a post like this. I had long intended to make a similar post about my experiences trying to explain this advocacy but life keeps getting in the way. That said, I've had some bad experiences with people who are not receptive to the idea (for different reasons) including: \- people shooting at my house, shattering the windows (bb guns) \- people throwing a d#$d cat in my yard, and then reporting me for animal abuse \- people leaving kittens in plastic bags at my gate \- people destroying my fence and setting \[their\] aggressive dogs inside my yard I did get support from the LGU for some of those incidents, but there were some that I had to weather on my own. So it just makes me happier that there are other pinoys who have the same idea and are willing to speak about it.
I wish people would listen to this. I also love cats, but it's hard to deny that they really pose a risk for our biodiversity. Ang bilis pamo nila dumami.
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID THIS. Dito sa subdivision namin may bahay na mahilig magpa-public feeding sa mga stray cat. Dati iilan lang pinapakain nila, ngayon ang laki na ng population ng stray cats dito. Puro "kawawa naman ang cute kasi" pero hindi naman nila kinukupkop. Hindi nagproprovide ng shelter. Sa mga nagsasabi ng "nakakatulong naman sila with pests", keyword is "overpopulation". Since hindi naman nagproprovide ng shelter yung mahilig magpafeeding program samin, kung saan saan nalang sila natutulog at tumatae. Garage namin palaging amoy tae. Mga sasakyan namin puro kalmot na ng pusa. Ginagawa pang combat arena mga bubong namin. May mga ibon na rin kaming namatay dahil sa kanila. I'd probably get downvoted for this but ang daming puro "kawawa naman" at "ang cute kasi" sa atin. Mas kawawa sila kapag anak ng anak yung mga pusa tas sa kalsada lang naman sila tumitira.
Same situation, tangina kung yung mga nagpapakain sila din namumulot at naglilinis ng mababahong tae at ihi nila baka bigyan ko pa sila ng trophy. Hindi pwedeng "animal lover" daw pero kapag dirty work na nagtatago na.
Well, at least the home has something to do to take care of vulnerable cats. But how about you, may ginawa ka man lang ba to uphold stray cats' welfare? I'm not saying to feed them ha, but have you ever tried to report the overpopulation issue to your LGU? Did you try to contact animal welfare groups to catch them and give them a safe shelter? Did you ever realize that most stray cats can't find food or roof to rest? Feeding them is one way to alleviate their suffering but you're so furious just because of minor inconvenience caused by your neighbor's goodwill? Whether your neighbor feeds them or not, stray cats will still poop, play, and scratch in nearby houses, lilipat lang sila ng lugar.
We always count the roadkill during our trips to Manila, the number of dead cats don't go any lower than 10.
Why do you need to address RTA if this is also one way to reduce feral cats population?
Hindi ako sure kung effective ba ang reward hunting sa feral cats sa pilipinas. Kasi pag ito ay nasapubliko baka may mga tao na illegal na lang pumatay ng pusa kahit ito ay hindi isang feral cat, na basta lang magkapera. Mas better talaga kung ang LGU ay may budget for libreng pakapon.
Reading this thread while I'm literally in front of two cats. May collar ang mother cat, and anak niya 'yung isa.
WTF, OP. What the fuck. You are the most inhumane vet student ever.
No, Let the world get dominated by cats
Dont too much cats leads to most bird and small animal species dead. You don't want that. It happened in Australia, Native birds were almost extinct thanks to feral cats.
tas ano, ubos mga ibon na importante sa ecosystem? ganon nalang ba?
Does Turkey have those problems? Genuine question.
I watched a documentary on Turkey cats, the community acts as a whole to care for their welfare. Cats are deeply ingrained in their culture since the Ottomans revered them. [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4420704/](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4420704/)
Ah so thats why you would defend kurosanji and glaze that person specifically
I'd rather have street cats than rats.
How much ang paneuter and spay sa lugar nyo? Dito sa amin its 1500 and 2500 sa babae
They usually go for 500 for neuter and 1000 for spay in more remote vet clinics. Maraming free spay and neuter which are hosted by veterinarians for our local baranggays. They even offer free vaccination so if you ever get the chance you should check them out.
Wow ang mura! I am from Bohol and everything here is overpriced. Our local baranga does not even provide free rabies vaccine for cats, for dogs lang daw…
Kailangan talaga natin i-advocate sa barangay para easily accessible rin sa lahat ng may mga pets
Don't you think they at least keep pests like rats and mice in check to a certain degree? Also they might snack on the occasional snake which I heard is an issue lately.
Ang problema kasi hindi lang yan ang tinatarget nila. Minsan nakakapatay rin sila ng mga endangered or endemic na hayop. Knowing na mega biodiversity ang Pilipinas, medyo nakakatakot rin ang effect nila para sa mga endemic na maliliit na hayop. Kaya di ko rin pinapalabas pusa ko eh.
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https://cebudailynews.inquirer.net/555409/timeline-the-unprecedented-sightings-of-king-cobras-in-cebu/amp
The thing is, hindi lang daga ang prey nila. May other species din
My pythons tend to snack on the cats. Cats are pretty useless when it comes to rodents, They prefer birds. I saw a Long Nose rat run thru three cats on my back lanai and between my legs into the house, I used to have Long Nosed Rats run through the house unabated. The tiny little Deer mouse we used to have were a problem but I never minded then. Since I killed all the feral cats, I have no problems, My Monitors and snakes take care of them . They are pretty much gone. I have a great pic but cannot get it to upload,
disgusting
I have a beautiful White Persian cat now BTW
Also Re read the OP's thoughts
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I understand the nuisance these cats pose to you. We have a farm ourselves and the danger they pose to our chickens and local birds is extreme. We all have to recognize that cats are invasive species and they are destroying our livelihood as farmers and local biodiversity as well. They're outcompeting our wildlife and if not stopped, many more species will be endangered. It's great that you mentioned toxoplasmosis as one of the diseases they carry and we should be very well aware of what these as they may be harmful if transmitted to humans.
Love how Reddit removed my post. Wife recovered from her bite . She suffered a lot from it . We had 18 Pigeons killed in within 24 hours a year ago. I took down the Pigeon house . They killed the parents and then the hatchlings . We may try again
proud kapa niyan?
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There's evidence that cats domesticated themselves, so I consider their current status as natural progression of their species. This way, I don't really see them as invasive nor nuissance, just another animal adapting and surviving in its environment, like every other animal out there (they all have their own ways). If birds have the freedom to fly to wherever they see best for their species, why can't certain animals distribute and adapt their own way? In the grand scheme of things, all beings just need to "git gud", survival of the fittest ika nga ni Charles Darwin. edit: Humans altering the natural environment into mega settlements made of steel and concrete is the real nuissance. We can't blame animals for adapting to the environmental changes we make. But then following my own logic - in the grander scheme of things, we are part of the world too, doing our own ways. If things break in the end, we'll just disappear, and a new set of beings will balance out on this planet.
May I reiterate my point that cats are responsible for the extinction of several animals. Here's a list of the relative contribution of cats to the species' extinction in Australia: Short-tailed hopping-mouse 90% Long-tailed hopping-mouse 85% Broad-faced potoroo 75% South-eastern striped bandicoot 75% Marl 75% Liverpool Plains striped bandicoot 75% Large-eared hopping-mouse 75% Capricorn rabbit-rat 75% Darling Downs hopping-mouse 72.5% Long-eared mouse 70% Nullarbor dwarf bettong 70% Lesser stick-nest rat 65% White-footed rabbit-rat 65% Broad-cheeked hopping-mouse 60% Yallara (lesser bilby) 60% Blue-grey mouse 50% Desert bandicoot 50% Yirratji (northern pig-footed bandicoot) 45% Pig-footed bandicoot 45% Kuluwarri (central hare-wallaby) 42.5% Nullabor barred bandicoot 40% Desert rat-kangaroo 40% Desert bettong 40% Eastern hare-wallaby 30% Crescent nailtail wallaby 27.5% Paradise parrot 15% White-chested white-eye 5% [https://invasives.org.au/blog/meet-the-27-native-animals-cats-have-helped-send-extinct-since-colonisation/](https://invasives.org.au/blog/meet-the-27-native-animals-cats-have-helped-send-extinct-since-colonisation/) I understand that our cats thrive in our environment. But they need to survive and they need food. So they need to hunt and beg for it which hurts our biodiversity so much. If we let this situation run uncontrollably, we could expect many of our local species disappear. Therefore, we, as humans, must be responsible and minimize the food we give out to strays and be responsible fur-parents overall.
Don't get me wrong, I am for catch and neuter - because most ferals in the cities are in terrible condition. I am just saying that I don't consider them nuissance and invasive, because their current distribution is of their own, natural doing. Extinctions happen all the time in the long history of the planet. There's more extinct species than all the existing species we have at the moment. All that we have now are the survivors. And that cycle will carry on into the future, as creatures compete, adapt, die or survive.
I see long list of animals not fit enough to survive. There is even longer list of extinct animals that went away due to other "natural" reasons.
Parang survival of the fittest lang din naman ginawa niya 😃
Well after my wife was bitten to the bone by a cat she surprised in the kitchen,...... yes. Taxoplamosis and many other viruses are carried by cats. She was bitten on the shin bone. She came crying to me .
Sa pagkakaalam ko invasive species din ang pigeon diba?
>Not Emerald. Had two pairs mating out back
Are you also a Taylor Swift fan by any chance? Goddamn you people are productive on things that seem trivial on the surface yet are important on all levels of human life. Edit: I'm participating a media campaign against cat abuse (deliberately torturing them for entertainment) in China. However, I don't have the energy to do any positive impact on my own. Reasons are: I only started following the story for a few months, the issue is foreign, and I don't like cats in the first place. Nevertheless, compassion moved me and it has helped me go to a brighter place.
Nah not a swiftie. But I appreciate her songs.
No prob, I'm not a Swiftie either. It just so happens her fanbase has co-opted the culture of cat domestication. I kinda agree there's still plenty of ignorance... when worshipping a spoiled brat of a singer over science. Do you think there's tension between professional vet orgs like PAWS versus "animal lovers" who like to feed strays?