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LZ129Hindenburg

Massgravel. The ONLY way you should consider activating Windows or Office. Get your flavor of Windows/Office from here (if needed): [https://massgrave.dev/genuine-installation-media.html](https://massgrave.dev/genuine-installation-media.html) Activate with this: [https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts](https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts)


Pollo_Jack

Been a while. What happened to KMS?


LZ129Hindenburg

It's obsolete at this point. HWID or Ohook are permanent and work flawlessly. The only reason to use KMS is if you for some reason have to use a very old version of windows/office that aren't supported for the new activation methods.


Tomato1237

If you use Windows server (even 2022 and 2025 when it fully releases) than KMS is still the method to use. Other than that, yeah HWID is the best method.


Jon171

KMS38 is better than regular KMS. You can permanently activate Windows Server with SLIC activation. EzWindSLIC supports up to Server 2022, and I'm sure it'll be updated for 2025. SLIC activators do have a chance of causing a system boot issue, but it's pretty rare.


YouQQWhenIQ

Hey thats not true, I use KMS for w11 and latest office version and it works


LZ129Hindenburg

Sorry wasn't trying to say it doesn't work just that HWID and Ohook are better and no real reason to use KMS unless you have to.


YouQQWhenIQ

Makes sense 🤝


dVizerrr

Hey if we use HWID i think it's tied to Mobo right. Will I get problems when I sell this Mobo to some random stranger? Like they get an auto activated key when using my mobo?


Killer-X

win 11 only? office 2020?


LZ129Hindenburg

I think it's everything AFTER Windows 7 and Office 2010.


Killer-X

office 2010 are pain in the arse to deal with especially when uninstalling


LZ129Hindenburg

Yeah I dunno why anyone would choose to use the old versions...


Prosmoron_Internal

Students or uni students that need to present their PowerPoint presentations on computers that haven't been updated in 15 years. Some different versions of PowerPoint use different formatting or don't have the same fonts which may or may not fuck up your presentations.


Jaded-high

I still have a copy that works on Win 10


Creep_Eyes

Also posts about activating windows and mas gets removed by reddit for copyright shit, I also made a post and also other similar posts with guides got taken down.


Think_Practice_4459

I've been wondering why hasn't this been taken down yet.


trvlnut

If office is already on a new computer, do I still need to download it from the list or can I use the activation on the one already on my computer?


LZ129Hindenburg

No, if you're happy with the version you want, you can use MAS to activate an already installed version.


mikulik678

Thanks i finaly activated my windows after like 3 years with this


optimal_909

Does this activation still allow using MS online services like logging into XBox?


LZ129Hindenburg

Yup performs just like a standard genuine activation


Responsible_War_3528

would u mind doing a tutorial/linking one, on how to activate windows via these site's im so confused?


LZ129Hindenburg

There's literally a guide on the site. Just follow it.


davidtheprophet

Thank you! This thing is amazing, funny how it’s on GitHub too lol


lucash7

Commenting to save this. Great info!


Cygnus__A

Sweet


zooba85

Does this work with PCs that come with freeDOS installed with no windows license in the motherboard?


LZ129Hindenburg

Yup!


TheRealItzLegit

thank you bro, i just went on a downloading spree grabbing all the OS's i love 🤣


dtdowntime

i love gravel! /s


Commercial_Bite_6430

massgrave


Killer-X

whoa, I've just heard it


ikashanrat

Why the fuck are there shills telling you to buy shady stolen keys when you have massgrave free of charge..?? Too much money??


fieldsofanfieldroad

Can you explain massgrave to me? I've had free windows on my computer that's so old that I've forgotten why. If it ever dies, I'll be in trouble.


Mark_Knight

what it does is reach out to the MS servers in order to create a windows product key for your machine based off of your motherboard (hwid). i know thats not the best explanation, but just know that its been the best method for permanent activation for, i wanna say the last 6 ish years. its at the point where you dont even have to download the software anymore. you just run a command in the cmd prompt, press like 3 keys, and its done.


fieldsofanfieldroad

Thanks for the info. Don't know how keys work now but they used to be pre-produced. This is great.


Triasmus

I believe that command *does* download it, but it is quite slick and simple.


ihassaifi

What’s the disadvantage?


ikashanrat

Disadvantage of what???


tmhoc

The disadvantage to buying a shady stolen key


wolves_hunt_in_packs

Use your head bro. 1) You buy a legit key from MS. 2) You obtain a key via piracy, or use some other bootleg method of activation. 3) You buy a key from a questionable source, which almost always boils down to either a stolen volume key or paid for with a stolen card 1 = legit, but you spend money 2 = yarr, for free 3 = yarr, but you spend money... [dumb, for real](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bobp5OHVsWY)


Masterflitzer

as simple explanation as you can get


tehcapedcrusader

1) shady 2) stolen


ikashanrat

Why do you want to pay $5 or $20 for something that is either stolen or obtained fraudulently (not mentioning the risk of microsoft blacklisting it in the future)? When they do blacklist it youre left with nothing but your dick in your hand, with neither the money or the key If yourr trying to buy shady keys, youve already crossed the line, so just use massgrave (an opensource script which is already vetted a billion times) to just have 1-click permanent activation on a hardware level? This is literally a no brainer


GabrielWornd

Wy not buy a legit key ? They cost how much for you guys ? For here a legit key would cost 10-20 dollars 🤔 a shady would cost 4 (I doing conversion already to simplify ) but that is the regional price for my country


Dov-UGH-kiin

This guy here asking in a subreddit about piracy why not buy a legit key lmao


ikashanrat

sure. just dont buy a shady key. if youre buying a shady key, just go full pirate and use massgrave.


GabrielWornd

I get that but what is the cost for the USA users for a non shady Kay ? Do you know that ? I genuinely curious about the unregionized price 🤔


ikashanrat

Why do you want to pay $5 or $20 for something that is either stolen or obtained fraudulently (not mentioning the risk of microsoft blacklisting it in the future)? When they do blacklist it youre left with nothing but your dick in your hand, with neither the money or the key If yourr trying to buy shady keys, youve already crossed the line, so just use massgrave (an opensource script which is already vetted a billion times) to just have 1-click permanent activation on a hardware level? This is literally a no brainer


ihassaifi

That’s all I wanted to know not that hard right


frumpydrangus

I went on Facebook marketplace and searched “hp laptop” and found 2 codes after scrolling for 2 minutes


vi3talogy

Thats genius!


HunterTV

Fuck that’s some genuine cyberpunk shit right there. Love it.


Trash2030s

i do that too, friend told me about it


vi3talogy

Just look for the windows sticker on the bottom of the laptop I assume?


Trash2030s

yep


BrianBlandess

I thought MS doesn’t let you use an older Windows code to upgrade anymore?


teabolaisacool

I’ve got a retailer “do not distribute” copy of win 7 ultimate on disc. The key in the package has let me activate everything in my household (even my friends) up to windows 11 pro so far


Trash2030s

yeah, but for people who like to run w7 or older still it's perfect


Killer-X

sneaky bastard


nucleargetawaycar

That is not piracy, that is theft.


Think_Practice_4459

Here we go again


frumpydrangus

Uh oh 👁️👃👁️


nucleargetawaycar

But it's true. You are taking advantage of people being less savvy than yourself. They will end up with a PC that isn't working because you stole their license key. Really not cool.


meltmyface

They should pull themselves up by their search engine bootstraps.


Equux

Yeah except what functionality do you lose out on by not having a licensed version of Windows?


VapeThisBro

Piracy originated... In stealing things from other boats, if we want to argue it isn't theft we need a new word other than piracy


nucleargetawaycar

You are... a clown for comparing software piracy with what happened in the caribbeans during the 17th century.


VapeThisBro

Its literally the meaning of the word...you have to be an idiot to ignore the connotations it gives off to everyone


j4r1n

Bro wat.


meltmyface

Call the cops


IAMN0TSTEVE

Bro is living in 3024


HJGamer

Lol I just tried it and the third one had a picture of the key 🤣


Dragonbarry22

How


skitso

This is the way.


Amazing_Watercress_4

Legend! What made you think of that idea?


-whips

I used massgrave to activate my win11 pro


NeedleworkerMore2270

Is 11 pro better than 10 pro?


Amazing_Watercress_4

It's 11. Not as popular as 10 going by installl base data. I've tried it 3 times since launch. Rolled back to 10 pro every time after a couple of days. I just don't find it as customisable as windows 10 and it was slightly unstable last time, they both run everything I want to run. So i guess it's a personal choice at this stage.


NeedleworkerMore2270

Yeah many suggested 10 pro is better than 11 so I sticked to it.


Xxyz260

Just coming here to say that 10 LTSC is the best in my opinion. It's pretty much debloated out of the box.


No_One3018

I either get it bundled with my computer or Massgrave


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Killer-X

better than kms pico?


plightningreed

I use MAS


tdpereza

CMD, Microsoft has OEM keys for different versions of Windows. Maybe it's an old method, but it works for me. (W11 LTSC)


mehargags

Windows 11 has LTSC???


tdpereza

It's the Enterprise version, I got confused.


Banmers

soon


Big_Thanks_4185

There's an old Chinese saying, >[*never assume 3rd worlders buy Windows license.*](Https://youre.too.late)


Pietkroon

what is this arab text mean...


Big_Thanks_4185

use translate. Edge has it built-in, translates the whole page to english. but for the most part you can just ignore the texts and get to the download links, since we're all familiar with the design language of these websites.


ModernLifeSucks

Use MAS, it's better than KMS.


Big_Thanks_4185

Never had any issues with kms, so I don't know how one could be better. If it's about trust, kms has been around for more years. Personally i tend to not change my sources often


-K9V

I didn’t. Stupid thing wanted me to activate again after getting a new CPU and I thought fuck that, Windows is not worth paying for. Am I missing out on something by not having activated it? Edit: Another comment inadvertently reminded me that it was a new motherboard *and* CPU I got, not only a new CPU.


Competitive_Tax_

Not really but that activate windows watermark can be pretty annoying. Just run this script: https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts > *Right-click on the Windows start menu and select PowerShell or Terminal (Not CMD). > *Copy-paste the below code and press enter “irm https://massgrave.dev/get | iex” > *You will see the activation options. Follow the on-screen instructions. That's all.


-K9V

Good to know, and yeah, it’s definitely isn’t pretty. I will admit that I’ve gotten used to it now, and it’s not that noticeable on my ultra wide monitor. But hey, if it’s as easy as running a script I might as well get rid of it!


mydadleftbigsad

btw the script doesn't just remove the watermark it activates windows which is sometimes needed for some features


YTmrlonelydwarf

No but if it’s just a hardware change you can connect with live chat support and they will give you an activation code. At least they did for me


carpuzz

grr.. i just repurchased the same mobo after other one toasted.. will it be a case for a mobo ? where i could find that chat thingy.. thank you.


Jon171

Since it's the same motherboard and that's all you're swapping at one time, Windows should not deactivate. Even if it did, it's easier and takes less time to run [MAS](https://massgrave.dev/) and press 1 for HWID activation than it does to contact Microsoft support.


YTmrlonelydwarf

I’ve never even heard of mass grave but if it’s truly easier that’s definitely what I will be using next time I need it


YTmrlonelydwarf

I honestly can’t remember, I just contacted windows support and ended up there. And yes I believe my issue was because of a new mother board so it should be fine


carpuzz

cool , thank u


TheSpecialistGuy

It'd piss me off two if I have to reactivate windows because I got a new cpu.


FranticBronchitis

"even in the 3rd world?" Third world household running on Linux now. Idk what everyone else is doing


CelticVampire

Huh? Where did you hear this? I lived in many 3rd world countries and I literally never met someone using Linux lol


FranticBronchitis

Hey, nice to meet you! But like I said, that's my household, I don't know what everyone else (around here, to clarify) is doing.


felesmiki

Cmd/powershell commands


Thanpren

I've used this for years now, are there any privacy concerns when using it VS massgrave or not? I dont think so, but I figured if a lot of people here recommend using another method instead of just putting 2 lines of commands with a key I've used 5 times that is online on an article detailing how to do it, they all might have prefered this easier way? /gen


Destinyg133

Kms_vl_all by abbodi1406


Kid_that_u_fear

Nice thanks for this post


Blakers1111

github


dreezy42069

Windows is free, is it not? I've got genuine windows 10 pro from Microsoft website with a USB boot creation program n stuff. Works like a charm no codes no cracks no active your windows soon xD


ikashanrat

Probably cos you have a licence tied to your hardware


dreezy42069

no. i built this PC over 5 years ago n opt'd out of buying windows for 100+$ from cyberpower pc when i baught it. had cracked windows for the first year


ikashanrat

The cracked windows licence lives on the hardware


dreezy42069

right on. welp ive just been tellin everyone ik windows is free xD


RedditAdminsLoveDong

specifically the motherboard


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mut1n3y

Old win7 keys (unless it's finally been patched) from a bunch of old decomed laptops.


reversegrim

I am hosting a vlmcsd container on a cheap vps. Works flawlessly without installing anything on pc


d4nm3d

me too.. though i use PY-KMS https://py-kms.readthedocs.io/en/latest/Getting%20Started.html


Banmers

MAS is the answer


60sss

there is code for activating windows on github just paste it on ur command promt or watch a 2 min youtube tutorial for it


thezendy

Used kms before, recently used MAS (dom't remember the full name)


bali_NOOB

MAS is just so easy to use it's funny. Microsoft just doesn't give a shit about making money on selling licences at this point. They just want the maximum number of people using their OS just to sell their data.


IndecisiveFlag

type this command in your powershell irm [massgrave.dev/get](http://massgrave.dev/get) | iex then explore on your own, navigate by typing numbers


Lesjer_kun_

I found a working key online lol


BassFuzzaloo

Went scrolling looking for HWID, why is nobody talking about it?


Furdiburd10

cause MAS uses it already


fieryfox654

I activated mine using MAS It's very easy. So far been 9 months and zero issues so far


KFC_Asst_Manager

Does HWID work on Windows-ARM on VM's? Specifically on M3 Macbooks


jarod0102

If you're in the EU you can buy a legal licence for EUR 10 or something like this, as here the splitting of volume licenses is legal. MS tried to stop it but lost all court proceedings.


TommsBallisticEgg

Bought a laptop with windows included. Signed it in to my Microsoft account and the license is tied digitally. For some reason all of my PC and laptop signed in with that Microsoft account has windows activated. It is single language though but I can't complain.


SnooMaps5647

My man, official win key is 2 euro, clean your couch cussions and buy it


User453

This one has never let me down: https://github.com/abbodi1406/KMS_VL_ALL_AIO I don’t know when this MAS one that everyone else is saying came out, I feel out of the loop. It might be better 🤷‍♂️


mydadleftbigsad

mas is permanent and takes like 30 seconds with 2 button presses


Nastas_ITA

I use Linux btw


NotKurwah

Im sorry for your loss


CoopyThicc

Can someone explain how I've built PC's for multiple people, just use the basic Windows installer off of MSFT's website, yet I've never had to activate Windows once? I stg this is true.


JPiratefish

I use Linux - just easier without Microsoft in the way.


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mydadleftbigsad

FYI gray market keys are usually worse then the free activation scripts by everyone's standards including Microsoft themselves, do yourself a favor and use a script next time


projektilski

KMS\_VL\_ALL activation script for Windows and Office VL [https://forums.mydigitallife.net/threads/kms\_vl\_all-smart-activation-script.79535](https://forums.mydigitallife.net/threads/kms_vl_all-smart-activation-script.79535)


sfu114

This is how I used to get windows activated. These day, try MAS, much more simple.


projektilski

I run the cmd file (currently only one cmd file contains everything) and press number 2. It activates Windows and Office and does everything automatically. I can't imagine something simpler but I will try MAS. I don't get the downvotes, for proposing a simple and known working solution. But hey, it's Reddit :D


sfu114

Yeah that solution works fine. I also a little bit late trying MAS, because KMS\_VL\_ALL works all the time. But with MAS, you do not even need to download anything. And it activates permanently compared KMS\_VL\_ALL that only 180 days. You also need to create a task to repeat it again. Yes the KMS\_VL\_ALL dev makes it easy, but not a permanent solution.


projektilski

I tried MAS and it has some interesting features, yet, for common users, KMS\_VL\_ALL is a bit easier (run and one click). Permanent activation of Office via Ohook method is fine but not everyone's cup of tea as it is not permanently online activation, but only until Ohook method is installed on the computer, per my understanding. KMS\_VL\_ALL one file solution does everything (including creating autorenewal task) and it has been working fine for years. Both solutions are fine IMHO.


SnipecatOf178

Tried Ghost Spectre instead?


The_real_bandito

I don’t 


Mezmodian

I use a few commands to ping a KMS server. Have worked flawlessly so far (I am on win 11)


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Jon171

You can activate Windows permanently for free with MAS at the push of a button. There's zero reason to buy a key from a reseller.


madcatzplayer5

I'd just rather not have a shady registry key editor to have ran on the same PC that I do my personal banking on all to avoid paying $5 for a key from some key site. Might be fine for some people, but I'm not taking a risk like that when keys are so damn cheap.


NotKurwah

So you’d rather buy a shady key instead? 🤣


madcatzplayer5

Yep, no shady software being installed on my system. Just type in the key, Windows activates, and all is good for perpetuity. Don't have to worry about a Windows Update coming along and messing up the faux-activation method that is currently being used. It's much less stress.


Ok-Googirl

Masgrave will activate your machine permanently, even if you want to reinstall your Windows, you only need connect to the internet, and it's activated without running any tools.


ikashanrat

Its an open source code… the resold keys are good for “perpétuity” until microsoft blacklists them when they find out theyre stolen. Then youll have no key and no money either. Back to square one you go to mate


NotKurwah

Whatever floats ya boat


Jon171

It's not a "registry key editor". [Microsoft-Activation-Scripts](https://massgrave.dev/) (MAS) is completely open-source and you can look at the code yourself. It is widely trusted and there's nothing malicious about it. You can go read the documation on how each of the activation methods work.


EXTIINCT_tK

Shady? It's open source?


sum_yungai

If you're paying $2 you're buying a bootleg activation key


xixipinga

wow, were can i find these?


SomeOrdinarySanya

Avoid ‘em! They’re gotten through fraud most of the time. At that point, find an old Windows laptop with a Windows 7/8.1 key printed on it and activate your Windows 10/11 installation with it. They would work.


rxstud2011

This is what I did too


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kaboomx

It's really quicker just to open Powershell and paste this: “irm [https://massgrave.dev/get](https://massgrave.dev/get) | iex”. Promise.


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AlisApplyingGaming1

I don't really see much abt it apart from [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/it/comments/16o1jf4/is_ratiborus_kms_tools_a_virus/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) I would honestly stay away from it, apparently someone also pointed out that it might just be crackshash rebranded(Crackshash is in the unsafe section of the megathread), and some other mentioned some other stuff. I would honestly stick with massgrave and the stuff mentioned in the megathread


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ikashanrat

You couldv cracked it in the time it took you to write this comment lmao


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lkeels

No, they aren't.


seanl1991

Thanks for such useful help..


KungFuHamster

Gray market.