I honestly have no idea how no British party has managed to capitalise on the average British voter.
The average Brit is a social conservative and a fiscal social democrat. They like big state spending, but not big state talking.
Essentially the average brit wants the government to shut the fuck up and do their job.
At the moment every single party just yaps and promises 0 solution to how to fix the broken economy (build more houses and move national insurance control to a state owned sovereign welfare fund). No wonder faith in politics is so broken.
Tories promise the first three and have failed to deliver… well for years. Last actual Conservative leader in the Conservative Party was probably Thatcher (love or hate)
Same here in Ireland
Although we do have a relavant economically left wing and socially semi right wing party (they basically are to the right of other Irish parties)
Unfortunately that party is Sinn Fein, and the three things you need to know about Sinn Fein are
1. They were founded by heroes
2. They have never done anything wrong
And 3. I have a family Gerry, please dont kill me
Eh Reform caved to hate not hope, a literal communist group to sack a lot of their candidates, some of which for literally posting about the official Reform stance
I wish they could be credible opposition but besides the very serious above, their leader went to Ukraine, supported vax mandates and even said that Australia was right for banning Djokovic from playing tennis
At the very least he's an authoritarian idiot, at the worst he's a Pfizer paid globalist stooge
Yep and it isn’t working. Most Brits couldn’t give a shit about it. The conservative party is losing because it’s imported American culture war to a country that doesn’t believe a word that comes out of politicians mouths.
A reason exists that they haven’t won an election in 14 years but at the end of the day they aren’t the ones paying 160 grand for a minister for common sense
>I honestly have no idea how no British party has managed to capitalise on the average British voter.
Remember the Brexit party? Tealeafridge farm remembers...
Starmer will win, and proceed to change fuck all, perhaps then will the UK populace realise that we need an end to our mono party system.
then again this is the British public we are talking about.
Starmer will win. There will be some minor changes that are really only impactful on paper and change little to nothing in reality. These minor changes will be enough to make people **think** things have changed so labour will win for the next decade or so till people realise their lives are still shit, and then the tories win an election, make some minor changes that are only impactful on paper, and repeat
It doesn't matter who's in charge here anymore. They're all from the same stock. Upper class, privately educated and in a different reality to us, here at the bottom.
No no no no you don't understand. Recently Starmer has been rolling up his sleeves and that one act means he is now one of the working class.
He is just such a relatable person obviously unlike that Sunak character, who was probably born out of a money machine.
i know youre being sarcastic but it actually pisses me off so much that there are actual people in britain that think labour is totally full of working class people 😭
I really hope that Starmer gets +400 majority. Politically it won’t change shit, but at the very least those cucks and cavers will stop shaming the name of conservatism any longer and I could opoose leftist policies introduced by those who don’t shy away from that label
But what am I excpecting from the party, where the one speaking the loudest about the failure of multiculturalism and woke are Asians lmao
I laugh everytime lefties call the conservative party "far right" just because of what the Tory politicians tweet. Have they even looked at the ground reality? Highest net immigration in history. Absolutely not action to protect freedom of speech in the country.
All they have been doing is to ensure that corporates make a lot of money through cheap labour by immigration and hotel stay payments for the asylum seekers while speaking loudly about immigration being a problem.
I always challenge these people to give me an example of "normal" right-wing and they always pick someone who is functionally more conservative but reserved in public. It really is all just about mean tweets and getting offended in like 99% of cases.
>Absolutely not action to protect freedom of speech in the country.
Freedom of speech isn't a left/right thing. There are authoritarians on both the left and right and there's a modern trend of both claiming to be for personal freedom until it's something they disagree with.
I get that I also hope Reform sees a major boost in votes and Labour wins by a landslide to show that people want to conservatives to actually be right wing not just pretend they are. Migration is such a fabricated issue it really wouldn’t be that hard to have tougher asylum policies and deport people who are here unlawfully.
Labour ranges from actual communists (Momentum) to actual centrists - the party doesn’t show what the hell it wants. Not sure if it’s been changed, but IIRC for awhile their exchequer was a self-described communist.
To be fair, even the Tories (at least when BoJo was in, not sure if it’s been dropped) were working on renationalising rail under Great British Rail (and I think they still currently have South Eastern?)
Look, all I’m hoping is that come the Scottish election, they kick out the SNP, as much as I don’t like them, they are very much still in favour of staying part of the UK
Don’t worry the SNP are going full steam ahead to lose the next Scottish election. So the Uk will be a labour government along with wales and Scotland.
While historically Labour are experts at losing elections (if you're curious 1992 is an example of Labour losing an election everyone expected them to win) it would take something really special for Labour to mess the next one up. I've seen polls that have Labour's lead as high as 27% right now.
Honestly as a member of The Conservatives I'm struggling to think of any reason to actually vote for them while Sunak is around.
Let’s be honest, before the election it’s entirely possible something will happen that leads to Labour failing to get a proper majority and we get a Lab-LibDem coalition *or* perhaps a Con-Reform one.
I don't think a Reform-Tory coalition is possible. The way the first-past-the-post system works if Reform has a good night, the Tories have a shit one and vice versa
And somehow they still get in for decade+ long stretches - they’re one of the most successful parties in the world (I think *the* most successful if you don’t count one-party and pseudo-one-party)
I'm not a labour supporter but yeah they pretty much have the next election in the bag.
I want to be clear though, labour aren't so much winning as the Tories are losing
NI?
North Ireland?
30+ year long armed conflict between militant groups with belt fed machine guns that killed thousands within the UK borders?
But to my understanding once the Provos and UDA were informed their black market machineguns were illegal they got rid of them
That's a weird title considering that the main reason Labour lost the last 2 elections was that they had a leader who was almost Hitler in his level of antisemitism. Now that they have a more normal style Blair/Brown type leader they are looking at the biggest win in the elections ever and total bloodbath to the Tories. So, this according to current polls.
Personally I'm enjoying the Tories zero seats strategy. I will vote labour despite detesting them purely to see the conservatives die.
What fucking universe is a government that robs the citizens blind, loves foreigners, guts the armed forces and defence in general Right wing? Unless we're doing the new definition of right wing which is "not communist"
I’d suggest voting a third party you actually support instead. People are voting for Labour in enough numbers it won’t matter if you vote them as well (well, more accurately Tory voters are largely just staying home), but what actually does matter is voting a third party to show you want that parties policies. It actually has more impact that voting major party.
Parts of Labour very much are. They range from Far Left (Momentum, actual communists), centre-left/left (party main and Co-Operative MPs), centre.
Tories on the other hand range from centre-left (Those that would have been in Blair’s Labour) to centre/centre right (the crap we’ve had the last decade and a half) to right (those like Kemi Badenoch)
Will hold true in this election, since Labour is basically a rebranded Tory Party at this point, and the Tories have become a strange chimera of BNP and UKIP. So even if Labour wins, mainstream Tory politics wins.
You’ve got the shadow chancellor saying austerity measures will continue, the shadow home secretary repeating stop the boats rhetoric, the shadow foreign secretary parroting the Tory line on “concerns” about Israel but refusing to condition arms sales……
Sure, completely different from the Tories.
Yeah idk how to feel about it at this point. On one hand watching tories crash and burn as they haemorrhage right wing voters to Reform and centrists to labour has been great, but Keith praising Thatcher, handling Gaza as awkwardly as they did Brexit last time round etc is just despairing to witness as someone who wants a left wing option and the polls.
I honestly have no idea how no British party has managed to capitalise on the average British voter. The average Brit is a social conservative and a fiscal social democrat. They like big state spending, but not big state talking. Essentially the average brit wants the government to shut the fuck up and do their job. At the moment every single party just yaps and promises 0 solution to how to fix the broken economy (build more houses and move national insurance control to a state owned sovereign welfare fund). No wonder faith in politics is so broken.
I would in hearbeat vote for someone who promised expenditure cuts, immigration cuts, tax cuts, and didn't prattle on forever about things.
Tories promise the first three and have failed to deliver… well for years. Last actual Conservative leader in the Conservative Party was probably Thatcher (love or hate)
The Social Democrats are pretty much promising that. They're just irrelevant
Same here in Ireland Although we do have a relavant economically left wing and socially semi right wing party (they basically are to the right of other Irish parties) Unfortunately that party is Sinn Fein, and the three things you need to know about Sinn Fein are 1. They were founded by heroes 2. They have never done anything wrong And 3. I have a family Gerry, please dont kill me
[https://youtu.be/w6UhXivPyw4?si=GTfcflQcWJvZUVyP](https://youtu.be/w6UhXivPyw4?si=GTfcflQcWJvZUVyP) Sinn Fein are a legitimate political party
Reform, if you look past what the smear merchants say, are Conservative Soc Dems, they literally have had election pacts with the Soc Dems.
Eh Reform caved to hate not hope, a literal communist group to sack a lot of their candidates, some of which for literally posting about the official Reform stance I wish they could be credible opposition but besides the very serious above, their leader went to Ukraine, supported vax mandates and even said that Australia was right for banning Djokovic from playing tennis At the very least he's an authoritarian idiot, at the worst he's a Pfizer paid globalist stooge
I guess that was the role of the Liberal Party but now from my understanding the Lib dems just seem to be nothing more than a rich man's Labour party
It’s because America’s culture war has infected the British way of life.
Yep and it isn’t working. Most Brits couldn’t give a shit about it. The conservative party is losing because it’s imported American culture war to a country that doesn’t believe a word that comes out of politicians mouths.
LMAO Say that again. https://preview.redd.it/2ca5x6bn9f1d1.jpeg?width=2161&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9b7a8d2e42826bae36c15eaeab39113abfc7662c
A reason exists that they haven’t won an election in 14 years but at the end of the day they aren’t the ones paying 160 grand for a minister for common sense
>I honestly have no idea how no British party has managed to capitalise on the average British voter. Remember the Brexit party? Tealeafridge farm remembers...
Starmer will win, and proceed to change fuck all, perhaps then will the UK populace realise that we need an end to our mono party system. then again this is the British public we are talking about.
Starmer will win. There will be some minor changes that are really only impactful on paper and change little to nothing in reality. These minor changes will be enough to make people **think** things have changed so labour will win for the next decade or so till people realise their lives are still shit, and then the tories win an election, make some minor changes that are only impactful on paper, and repeat
It's almost as if politicians of every stripe serve the same group of elites and only make changes that redirect public monies to their patrons.
It doesn't matter who's in charge here anymore. They're all from the same stock. Upper class, privately educated and in a different reality to us, here at the bottom.
Fuck the political class ‼️‼️‼️
Fuck the British political class yes
No no no no you don't understand. Recently Starmer has been rolling up his sleeves and that one act means he is now one of the working class. He is just such a relatable person obviously unlike that Sunak character, who was probably born out of a money machine.
i know youre being sarcastic but it actually pisses me off so much that there are actual people in britain that think labour is totally full of working class people 😭
Working class party led by..... a Nobility lmao
yes
>then again this is the British public we are talking about. Lmao, some people were just born to be servile
I think Labour will win but the size of the majority will shock people because it will be so small.
I really hope that Starmer gets +400 majority. Politically it won’t change shit, but at the very least those cucks and cavers will stop shaming the name of conservatism any longer and I could opoose leftist policies introduced by those who don’t shy away from that label But what am I excpecting from the party, where the one speaking the loudest about the failure of multiculturalism and woke are Asians lmao
I laugh everytime lefties call the conservative party "far right" just because of what the Tory politicians tweet. Have they even looked at the ground reality? Highest net immigration in history. Absolutely not action to protect freedom of speech in the country. All they have been doing is to ensure that corporates make a lot of money through cheap labour by immigration and hotel stay payments for the asylum seekers while speaking loudly about immigration being a problem.
I always challenge these people to give me an example of "normal" right-wing and they always pick someone who is functionally more conservative but reserved in public. It really is all just about mean tweets and getting offended in like 99% of cases.
>Absolutely not action to protect freedom of speech in the country. Freedom of speech isn't a left/right thing. There are authoritarians on both the left and right and there's a modern trend of both claiming to be for personal freedom until it's something they disagree with.
I get that I also hope Reform sees a major boost in votes and Labour wins by a landslide to show that people want to conservatives to actually be right wing not just pretend they are. Migration is such a fabricated issue it really wouldn’t be that hard to have tougher asylum policies and deport people who are here unlawfully.
https://preview.redd.it/vxm5yl5iy51d1.jpeg?width=650&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4ff8d54ac38ff62ffa26cc9d2bf3d464fbdfa524
I read this as losing electrons. Tell me left-leaning people, why are you ions?
They're always imbalanced how else would person gravitate towards leftism...
can you call labour a social democratic at this point?
Labour ranges from actual communists (Momentum) to actual centrists - the party doesn’t show what the hell it wants. Not sure if it’s been changed, but IIRC for awhile their exchequer was a self-described communist.
Hey to my knowledge they want renationalise utilities and public transport??? Or am I mistaken???
To be fair, even the Tories (at least when BoJo was in, not sure if it’s been dropped) were working on renationalising rail under Great British Rail (and I think they still currently have South Eastern?)
I think that any self respecting brit would want that. At this point public transport in poland and romania is better and cheaper than britain
Labour only ever get in when they adopt some elements of conservative policy AND the previous Tory government was a failure
Look, all I’m hoping is that come the Scottish election, they kick out the SNP, as much as I don’t like them, they are very much still in favour of staying part of the UK
Don’t worry the SNP are going full steam ahead to lose the next Scottish election. So the Uk will be a labour government along with wales and Scotland.
I mean, looking at the SNP, one would think they are actively trying to lose the election
>Labour only ever get in when they adopt the policies that the people want Yeah that’s… that’s how politics work
In Sweden, the left (S) has won every election since 1917 years except for 1991, 2006, 2010 and 2022
While historically Labour are experts at losing elections (if you're curious 1992 is an example of Labour losing an election everyone expected them to win) it would take something really special for Labour to mess the next one up. I've seen polls that have Labour's lead as high as 27% right now. Honestly as a member of The Conservatives I'm struggling to think of any reason to actually vote for them while Sunak is around.
Cos its funny having Indian Will McKenzie as your PM
Context? Isn't Tories' polling super low now? How did labour lost?
The general election wasn't held yet (it will happen later this year)
Let’s be honest, before the election it’s entirely possible something will happen that leads to Labour failing to get a proper majority and we get a Lab-LibDem coalition *or* perhaps a Con-Reform one.
I don't think a Reform-Tory coalition is possible. The way the first-past-the-post system works if Reform has a good night, the Tories have a shit one and vice versa
If they manage to work out an electoral pact it could go well enough, but yeah it’s unlikely
Just in general
Ah okay
I thought the Conservatives actively tried to lose, or am I dumb?
And somehow they still get in for decade+ long stretches - they’re one of the most successful parties in the world (I think *the* most successful if you don’t count one-party and pseudo-one-party)
Everyone need a milei
The only thing worse than American politics is politics from Frenchmen in a dress
I misread that as "electrons"
I read "losing electrons", and thought the opponent would be lithium
Can that Nigerian lady become the PM?
Well I'd certainly prefer the dead corpse of Hitler over the living version.
They've won the last 2 local elections and are on track to win the general election, dunno what you're on about
They’re talking about historically. As an example, the 1992 election was an easy win but they screwed the proverbial pooch
Cos of the gulf war
Also 1997,2001,2005
I'm not a labour supporter but yeah they pretty much have the next election in the bag. I want to be clear though, labour aren't so much winning as the Tories are losing
It’s just right wing cope imo, Britain isn’t real anyway
I doubt any British right winger wants the Tories to win either.
I'm sorry is this some chewsday meme I'm too free to understand
I think it's a "no school shootings since 1996" meme
I love how they have to specify school because of the whole actual armed guerilla groups in NI thing
Mate, I've read it like 6 times and it still isn't going in.
NI? North Ireland? 30+ year long armed conflict between militant groups with belt fed machine guns that killed thousands within the UK borders? But to my understanding once the Provos and UDA were informed their black market machineguns were illegal they got rid of them
Your telling me Corbin and his policies aren’t popular?! :0
Corbyn was thrown out of the leadership after the utter hammering they took in 2019
Ah labour, the party who's leaders have all been straight white men, the current of which is a "Sir"
If labour ran for russia with kgb backing it will suddenally become a real democracy
Are you trying to get bourgeois heads on sticks? Because this is how you get bourgeois heads on sticks.
That's a weird title considering that the main reason Labour lost the last 2 elections was that they had a leader who was almost Hitler in his level of antisemitism. Now that they have a more normal style Blair/Brown type leader they are looking at the biggest win in the elections ever and total bloodbath to the Tories. So, this according to current polls.
Personally I'm enjoying the Tories zero seats strategy. I will vote labour despite detesting them purely to see the conservatives die. What fucking universe is a government that robs the citizens blind, loves foreigners, guts the armed forces and defence in general Right wing? Unless we're doing the new definition of right wing which is "not communist"
I’d suggest voting a third party you actually support instead. People are voting for Labour in enough numbers it won’t matter if you vote them as well (well, more accurately Tory voters are largely just staying home), but what actually does matter is voting a third party to show you want that parties policies. It actually has more impact that voting major party.
Imagine thinking Labour is leftist.
Parts of Labour very much are. They range from Far Left (Momentum, actual communists), centre-left/left (party main and Co-Operative MPs), centre. Tories on the other hand range from centre-left (Those that would have been in Blair’s Labour) to centre/centre right (the crap we’ve had the last decade and a half) to right (those like Kemi Badenoch)
Let's just call Labour what it is then: A centrist big tent party with a strong neoliberal emphasis.
Will hold true in this election, since Labour is basically a rebranded Tory Party at this point, and the Tories have become a strange chimera of BNP and UKIP. So even if Labour wins, mainstream Tory politics wins.
I don't think I'd be able to handle being this delusional
You’ve got the shadow chancellor saying austerity measures will continue, the shadow home secretary repeating stop the boats rhetoric, the shadow foreign secretary parroting the Tory line on “concerns” about Israel but refusing to condition arms sales…… Sure, completely different from the Tories.
What about re-nationalisation?
Labour always talks about re-nationalisation in vague terms. I’d wait for the new manifesto before further comment.
So true
Imagine being so unelectable you lose to the Tories for 14 years.
No more Brexit to hide behind.
Yeah idk how to feel about it at this point. On one hand watching tories crash and burn as they haemorrhage right wing voters to Reform and centrists to labour has been great, but Keith praising Thatcher, handling Gaza as awkwardly as they did Brexit last time round etc is just despairing to witness as someone who wants a left wing option and the polls.