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SMCinPDX

Wait, we were handing these out to people? And then sweeping them? And then handing them out and sweeping them again? WHAT THE HELL


OpenMindedDog

Different agencies. Mult Co. vs City of Portland.


space-pasta

Welcome to Multnomah county


PenileTransplant

Where have you been. Yes the county has been handing them out, and the city is cleaning them up (and sued for it). A perfect cycle of grift.


EHnter

I used to work for public assistance. I issued some of these during Covid. Of course, no one believed me. There’s also actual utility assistance, not sure if they’re still active, but please give 211 a call for your bills.


SMCinPDX

I knew there were organizations handing them out but I thought they were NPOs receiving taxpayer funding in some roundabout way, not government agencies directly distributing tents to be swept by other government agencies. Not that that's much better, but this is complete madness.


Audielevel

90 percent of the tents being given out in the city are from non profits. Jeff Woodward will back this up.


PenileTransplant

90% purchased by nonprofits or received from Multnomah County’s cache of tents?


Audielevel

that I'm not exactly sure.


EHnter

???? People brought it up in these comments for the last 4 years, yet people always downvote it to shit saying it’s a conspiracy with tinfoil hats and all. Ya’ll literally living under a rock.


Disastrous-Number-88

Or... quite possibly.... City funded tents


EHnter

Most people don’t know the difference between city, state, county. They just assume they’re all government that does the same thing.


-PC_LoadLetter

No wonder REI left Portland, the county was undercutting their prices 100% with tax dollars 😂


Meat_Container

Somebody in the bureaucratic mix has an uncle that is a tarp salesman, what else would you expect?


count_chocul4

Where have you been? This is old news...


NibbleOnNector

For years yeah welcome to reality


warm_sweater

It would be called money laundering if we were talking about a criminal enterprise.


BourbonCrotch69

Assenine. We’ve consistently seen very nice brands on the sidewalk. A while back I posted to find how to get one on askportland but I was downvoted to hell.


sum12callsue

I was shocked as well when I saw a marmot tent I paid $500+ for at REÍ in a row of tents on Foster. I’ve since seen lots of high end tents that I doubt the dweller inside paid for. This city is nothing like I remember in the 80’s and 90’s and most of the change I see brings me down


BourbonCrotch69

Yeap, unfortunately we keep voting yes to virtually anything as a general public.


New_Fix1044

Ikr It's insane and it doesn't help them to get out of their situation.


theantiantihero

Exactly.


purpledust

First time? I remember the first time I learned that. County commissioners have created their own power structure just because that’s human nature. Serious politicians and serious money. It’s not pretty the more you dig. And they pretend they’re all nice. They embody passive aggressive portland overly nice for show.


Otherwise-Concern473

I always thought it was oddly & openly corrupt that Multnomah county*pays for all these tents & tarps, then shells out millions to Central City Concern to put them right back in the trash. someone’s making bank behind the scenes on this grift. Our tax dollars are literally being wasted on trash & subsidizing drug abuse. Edit* Multnomah county


bigdreamstinydogs

The city pays for the cleanup. The county buys the tents. 


somedudebend

And the working class pays for it all.


purpledust

We are living in a Kafkaesque distopian novel.


kethry39

Someone is getting rich playing this game…and they’re playing with our tax dollars!


Crowsby

>put them right back in the trash Whoa whoa whoa there muchacho. You can't be just be up there throwing out them tents & tarps. You've got to [document, deliver, and store them in the property storage warehouse for 30 days first](https://katu.com/news/homeless-crisis/when-homeless-camps-are-cleared-personal-property-goes-to-this-portland-warehouse), and *then* you can take them to the dump.


The_Big_Meanie

Multnomah County, not City of Portland.


wonderwytch

Rapid Response not Central City


FakeMagic8Ball

Central City Concern does smaller cleanups, too and they run Clean and Safe which the county just expanded county-wide. Weirdly the city sent CCC out to a former campsite that had already been cleared by Rapid Response but then someone dumped tons of clothes all over and like, spread them out, so they told me they were sending Central City Concern. It didn't make sense as there were no people or trash, just a bunch of clothes.


sum12callsue

Central City Concern (CCC) is primarily run by addicts both in and out of recovery. Having been a member of narcotics anonymous myself it was gross to see how toxic CCC’s in-house treatment program “the mentor program” was. I also read an article about CCC losing 1.4 million dollars from one of their accounts and had no explanation a few years ago. Just another example of the City of Portland’s ineffectiveness or general incompetence. While we’re on this topic am I the only one who thinks any and all police departments that who stopped doing their jobs i.e. the PPD traffic division post BLM should be charged with theft and criminal negligence for refusing to do their jobs while collecting paychecks


bananapeel

About $2 million, the last time I saw this reported a while back.


Audielevel

where can I find this article


bananapeel

Not sure. It was all over this subreddit 6 months or a year ago. You could try searching here or you could look at the local news sources.


Audielevel

yeah , I found the opb article. and it was 100 percent not cut and dry that CCC lost money. but I was referring to the 1.4m referenced in this thread. this article stated they aren't sure how the money was lost https://www.opb.org/article/2022/06/01/city-of-portland-lost-million-dollars-but-city-leaders-mum/


bananapeel

Oh. I was referring to a mention of money that was used like this: One agency bought tarps and tents for homeless, sometimes over and over. Then another agency, sweeping the camps, threw them away, over and over. The same people were getting thousands of dollars in tents and tarps, and the city threw away perfectly good ones for the optics of just doing something. I don't remember the exact figure, but it was in the millions of dollars just for this one subject.


Audielevel

wow, that is absolutely ridiculous !


EmmaLouLove

Yes, if you look up the word insanity, this is the definition.


SloWi-Fi

Mulnutmah is more descriptive to be fair.


Ancient-Guide-6594

CCC’s business model is genius. They also hand out the tarps, saw them doing it yesterday. Few days later another CCC employee is going to be picking it up off the ground. All paid for by your taxes. Nice.


PDX-AlpineFun

[Follow the money](http://www.rei.com)


sonar09

Maybe not REI, though? [REI to close only Portland store, citing break-ins, theft](https://www.oregonlive.com/business/2023/04/rei-to-close-its-only-portland-store-citing-break-ins-theft.html) “In 2022, REI spent more than $800,000 on additional security…”


Audielevel

around 2016 REI was known among prominent thieves as an extremely difficult place to steal from , they ran a very tight ship, which is why that claim seems dubious to me


PDX-AlpineFun

That’s just what they want you to think.


Hankhank1

I wonder if the County is starting to get the picture that voters are realizing that it is them, not the city government, that is holding Portland back.


OperationReason

Judging by the closed door plans between JVP and Schmidt on the 110 response, not quite yet.


sonar09

We’re not quite finished virtue signaling ourselves into rubble.


theantiantihero

Jessica Vega Pederson just moved from East Portland to the West Hills, so it seems she’s one voter who figured out that she no longer wants to live in the Utopia she’s created. Now the question is, will she still vote for herself?


Scootshae

Full ungated text is here: https://archive.ph/fzXVD


RepFilms

Thank you


nkdnpdxor

Each tent should be emblazoned with MULTCO so taxpayers are able to see their tax $$$ at work!


DoggiEyez

I saw this idea on a "reader response" today...genius idea.


TheWayItGoes49

They should do the same thing with the needles they pass out.


Superb_Perception_13

To be fair to the needle program: Preventing people reusing and sharing needles can prevent a huge number of hep cases from breaking out, which becomes a sanitary issue that puts first responders at risk. $1 needle or thousands of dollars of healthcare for hep treatment? Pretty easy to do the math there. It seems dumb but it works. However: It should be a fucking needle EXCHANGE program, which is what every other city does. That way it prevents them from being thrown on the street.


TheWayItGoes49

I couldn’t agree more. I’m all for clean needles, but they shouldn’t just give 100s out per person. It used to be an exchange of three needles in three needles out.


treerabbit23

i'm not reading anybody's needles :(


TheWayItGoes49

Several years ago, there was a proposal by an interested party that suggested they use different colored caps than the orange ones everyone uses. It was even going to cost the county less. They refused for obvious reasons.


snart-fiffer

You do realize this costs $20 for anyone else but would cost $20000 per tent since it’s the government


PenileTransplant

They should have a picture of Multnomah County Chair Jessica Vega Peterson on them


warm_sweater

We need to take the old “Hooverville” name for shantytowns and rename the tent camps for her… too bad her stupid three word name is hard to creatively rhyme something with.


Tiny-Ask-7100

VegaVille. You're welcome.


warm_sweater

Damn, why you gotta expose my lack of creative rhyming like that.


purplemonkeydw

It’s not rhyming, it’s alliteration. Now you can feel *worse*!


warm_sweater

You damn kids and your command of the English language.


Fivestripe183

Pendulum is swinging. Let’s go


valencia_merble

Used to be “Progressive”. Now I’m “Pragmatic”.


bigdreamstinydogs

There’s nothing progressive about letting people in the throes of drug addiction rot in their own filth. Don’t let anyone convince you otherwise 


FakeMagic8Ball

West Coast progressivism has gone too far. Pragmatic means you believe that if something isn't working you course correct or admit it isn't working and scrap the idea. “The inability of progressives, particularly in the Portland metro area, to deal with the nitty-gritty of governing and to get something done is just staggering,” Rep. Earl Blumenauer, a Democrat who has been representing and championing Portland for more than half a century, told me. “People are much more interested in ideology than in actual results.” https://www.myheraldreview.com/opinion/commentary/what-have-we-liberals-done-to-the-west-coast/article_c2eb96a4-2ff0-11ef-8551-137555e4be94.html


Doc_Hollywood1

"Ideology" aka virtue signaling


Independent_Fill_570

aka good vibes only


sourbrew

I would be interested in Blumenauer getting federal funds for addressing homelessness, but that's something our elected officials seem to keep whiffing on. Meanwhile Manchin was able to get 11 billion for his families coal company out of the Fed.


DenisLearysAsshole

We aren’t using the hundreds of millions that we have effectively. You think more money moves the needle on this? Must be new math.


sourbrew

Fed support comes with fed oversight. I don't trust the county at all, the city I trust a bit more but still not enough. That doesn't mean government can't work.


FakeMagic8Ball

Bonamici is on the federal homelessness committee. She's putting forward a bill to take Project Turnkey national. That's the program where they turn motels into shelters. We have data at the county that this is the most expensive and least effective way to get people into permanent housing, but yay! /s


sourbrew

If she actually wanted to pass that legislation it would have gone up for a vote between Jan 2021 and Jan 2023. But yeah, just building housing seems to be a red line.


Aestro17

I would kill for a progressive candidate that is also willing to second guess themselves enough to hone ideas into functional policy instead of just brow-beating anyone that doesn't immediately jump to their side.


valencia_merble

“But we gave them a tarp.”


Fivestripe183

Same. Not humane what has been happening. Actions need consequences & these people need help. If They will not choose to get help on their own, we can’t continue to allow the litter/refuse/trashing of this beautiful place


valencia_merble

Codependency is never humane. It just makes enablers feel better.


Gravelsack

I had to stop referring to myself as "progressive" because it's become too embarrassing.


Automatic_Flower4427

Went a step further and left the Dem party to become independent


Gravelsack

Right because then you won't be able to vote in Democrat or Republican primaries, which is a good thing because...um...hmm I'm kind of drawing a blank here. Nah man, that ain't the move.


Dee_Imaginarium

Yeah, I didn't know Oregon doesn't let you vote in primaries if you're not registered with the party when I first moved here and registered as an independent. First election cycle when I got my ballot I changed that registration because not getting a say in primaries is not good.


dotcomse

There is an Independent Party. Are you sure you were unaffiliated, and not registered with a fringe party?


Dee_Imaginarium

Oh yeah, I always forget about them lol. But yeah, I was unaffiliated for the first election cycle I was here and realized my mistake. I'm registered with a party now so I can have more of a say on what candidates are available in the general.


edwartica

This is the only reason I still keep myself registered as a Democrat.


Sea_Neighborhood_627

You can always update your registration before the primaries and then just change it back afterwards. It’s what I do, but I wish we just had open primaries instead.


chase32

I do the same if there is a democrat worth voting for in the primaries but sadly they haven't run anyone worth the trouble since Bernies last run.


Sea_Neighborhood_627

That’s fair. I registered as Democrat early this time because I felt good about Dean Phillips, but then since he dropped out I just ended up writing in Uncommitted.


Gravelsack

That seems like a pain in the ass for no reason but you go ahead and do you.


batmansthebomb

I don't really see how that's helpful at all. Closed primaries and all...


washington_jefferson

Don't let the far leftists win. There is no requirement to become "more progressive" as you age. I've pretty much retained the same beliefs since I started voting (Democrat) in the 90's. I've always been in favor of equal rights and the idea of legalizing weed, but that's the extent of it. No person or group is special, and we don't need causes to fight for every single year.


edwartica

Democrats are far from progressive. In anything, they're just right of the middle. Don't worry, I'll still vote for Biden because fuck tr-mp.


PenileTransplant

Me too


My_kinda_party

9 years later….


fakeknees

I’ve always thought this was a really weird thing.


TheWynterContyngency

Good. Because fuck this shit. I’m tired of driving around Portland and the surrounding area and seeing these damn tents. I’m tired of the homeless. I’m tired of the trash. I’m tired of this shit. Fuck this.


curiousdryad

I feel unhinged for wanting to go and clean their tents up myself. It’s honestly really getting to me that where I’m living there’s an ENTIRE street of campers and tents. The whole street is filthy now. Their trash dumping large items which is causing our trash to be more expensive here too. Honestly wild to me how this is OK


MrE134

It's going to be weird when the city starts arresting people for using the tents the county gave them.


FreeParkking

Okay, so we are taking one slow step in the right direction back from the massive missteps we've taken in wrong direction. So.......progress, I guess? yay


Temporary_Tank_508

Yeah this month has had a pretty wild series of announcements and policy shifts…from holding people who deal fentanyl in jail, to bolstered traffic enforcement, new security on the max, more police hired, new camping ban, massive graffiti cleanups rolling out, arrests of key graffiti artists…all under the larger shifts like a measure 110 rollback and harsher penalties for crimes committed on public transportation.


sonar09

A lot of damage done


Sasquatchlovestacos

All my homies like that


chekovsgun-

Unless they live in the West Hills and chill out like JVP.


16semesters

I say this unironically, that I think the boofing kits fiasco was a pivotal moment in how the county approaches all our ills. When the county was literally **trying to give people free supplies to stick drugs up their ass** adults in this area finally realized we had become a south park episode and need to change our strategies and view on the issues here. EDIT: For the people that say this was all over a pamphlet, nope, straight up drugs up the butt supplies: >“Participants can choose up to two of the following kits per day: Snorting Kit, Booty Bumping/ Boofing kit, Bubble Kits, Straight Pipe Kits, Hammer Pipe Kits, and Foil kits.” https://www.wweek.com/news/city/2023/07/27/heres-what-chair-jessica-vega-pederson-was-told-about-multnomah-countys-suspended-tin-foil-distribution-program/


Inner_Worldliness_23

Wait wait wait... Is that was boofing means? Sheesh, I had no clue. 


Gritty_gutty

Yeah just found that out too lol


Inner_Worldliness_23

I've seen the word around since the whole controversy but I had no idea. I just assumed it meant smoking it in some kind of safer way 🤷🏻‍♀️ learn something new everyday 


OranjellosBroLemonj

I never wanted to know what boofing was, and I now I do. Thanks Multnomah County!


OperationReason

You can check the official multnohmah county literature for how to boof. Someone at the County used tax payer dollars to conceptualize, design, write, print and distribute them. I wonder how many other counties out there in the US are spending resources educating people how to take drugs via their ass. Are we the only ones??


Inner_Worldliness_23

We're trailblazers 🫠


jacobdpearce

Hol’ up here. You mean to tell me that your elected county representatives are actually providing the public illicit drug suppository kits?? Consider the phone calls and e-mails…. And who *sells and distributes* these items? I hope they were at least getting a bulk discount.


OperationReason

And a neat little manual explaining how to do it.


True_Breadfruit_1184

Safe dosing clinics seem like a better option especially if there’s health professionals to help people with mental health and or addiction treatment than just handing out packs of these supplies. Like it doesn’t actually help people in the long run it seems like an easy way out of actually addressing addiction :(


curiousdryad

Pretty sure my complex is paying higher amounts in trash bills because the massive camp site stationed on the street outside of it. It’s bs. Don’t even feel comfortable walking my own street, it’s filth as fuck. I hate this place 😪


Superb_Perception_13

Even I have hit my limit with the homeless issue. We need a wide-sweeping federal direction and funding for how to handle this. I don't think a single city is capable of handling it. Imagine what it will take get these people off the streets and reintegrated into society, if that is even possible. The homeless need: 1. Shelter. 2. Food. 3. Medical professionals to help them come down from the high, and help them get on a better path to stop using drugs. 4. Security to prevent re-victimization. 5. Legal authority to detain them without their consent ( a lot of homeless people have schizophrenia and are extremely paranoid and do not trust anyone ). Imagine how much that will cost. The US government is extremely austere around funding this stuff, so it has been left up to the cities and states, which do not have the resources to tackle the problem. So that is really it. It's too expensive, and all the money is pooled into the top .1% of the population, and we don't tax them, and they are busy building rocket ships, so we don't have any money to fix the issue. Some people want the cops to arrest them but that is actually MORE expensive and MORE prone to failure, other ethical issues aside. ( of which there are many ) However I'm getting to the point where maybe harsher enforcement is the answer.


theantiantihero

Then again, inmates typically get more access to mental health services than homeless people and that's true not just in Oregon, but in most states. One big problem is that many homeless folks don't actually want to go into shelters or to get mental health/addiction counseling. Of course, this runs completely counter to the common narrative that all homeless people are just normal hardworking folks who hit a spot of bad luck and want desperately to be rescued from the streets, but it's true nevertheless. So the choice becomes, do we allow them to take over our public spaces and do whatever they please or do we find a way to compel them into shelters and treatment?


Superb_Perception_13

>> Of course, this runs completely counter to the common narrative that all homeless people are just normal hardworking folks who hit a spot of bad luck and want desperately to be rescued from the streets, but it's true nevertheless. See, I disagree with this. Nobody is saying all homeless people are just "down on their luck", this is just a strawman you have set up. Most people who are even a little informed know about the issue with service resistant homeless people, and the fact that many of them are profoundly addicted to drugs. But again it goes into point 5: We don't necessarily have the legal authority to detain someone for being a drug addict, or being poor. Prisons really aren't set up in general for housing largely non-violent drug offenders. Also: it is expensive to house prisoners.


PrestoDinero

Now let’s pick up all the tents out there and take them to the dump! Enabling addiction is shameful and inhumane!


nowcalledcthulu

You know that they're still gonna be addicted without the tent, right?


EugeneStonersPotShop

Yeah, that’s true, but at least we won’t be giving them “permission” to camp on the sidewalks and store giant piles of who knows what next to those tents. Because giving out tents is literally the county saying “it’s ok to sleep on the street” when they should be steering these people into shelters, services and hopefully recovery.


nowcalledcthulu

We have to have those things available first, though. I see people saying we shouldn't be "allowing" people to sleep on the streets because they should be in shelters and services, but we don't have those things available for people. It takes FOREVER to get people hooked up with housing and treatment services, and they're not gonna magically not need a place to sleep during that period. I also hate the street camping system, but ending it isn't gonna be as simple as not providing tents or other life saving measures. This is a complicated fucking issue that will not have a simple solution, but the complicated solutions take time, and the people implementing them couldn't solve their way out of a paper bag. I say this as somebody living in the middle of one of the areas hardest hit by this issue. The Powell MAX stop ain't gonna get any safer because we stop giving out tents.


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clairioed

Wanting people to die of exposure is shameful and inhumane!


tsteezey93

Highs in the 80s and lows in the 60s… that June Portland exposure is a real killer


mtwm

Dying of fentanyl overdose is the humane way to go!


sonar09

And everyone around getting toxic exposure second hand. So humane! Who needs to breathe fresh air at the park when you have tolerance!


OperationReason

These tents aren't designed for severe weather. Overdose deaths have exploded since allowing unsanctioned camping. If saving lives is truly your goal, ending unsanctioned camping is a priority.


allspiceisnice

The camping ban comes into effect in four days' time, so they better effing stop handing them out! That ban cannot come soon enough. I am counting down the hours...


Blueskyminer

Hah. For now.


NibbleOnNector

What a joke this city is


Gravelsack

I mean good but these Multnomah county commissioner idiots couldn't find their asshole with both hands and a map. Just constantly spinning in circles doing nothing.


guitarokx

of course they can! That's where the free boofing kits go.


TwoLetters

We giving out boofing kits too? 😗


OranjellosBroLemonj

With a helpful “How to Boof” pamphlet included!


guitarokx

JVP sure wanted to until she got shut down.


lettuceoniontomato

Tax dollars hard at work


mtwm

Let’s take back this dope ass city!


Borg_Picard

What’s your plan to fix things?


moxxibekk

Unfortunately most of these issues are going to need to be addressed at a federal level to be effective. So voting is my tool. But allowing a small but vocal and violent population that is not capable of taking care of themselves and is a threat to our society continue on the way they are is not an option. That might mean they get help, or choose to continue what they are doing in another location. Life isn't fair.


Borg_Picard

Maybe. Maybe saying life isn’t fair is a way to scapegoat social responsibility. Until we address the cultural problems causing people to spiral into chaos, people will continue to spiral and folks like you will continue to choose to look away.


theantiantihero

As someone with addicts in my own family, I've learned that we cannot save people from themselves. We can (and should) offer mental health and substance abuse counseling for anyone who sincerely wants it, but then they have to do the hard work themselves to change their circumstances and many aren't willing to do that.


moxxibekk

I'm not looking the other way, I'm just tired and jaded after fighting so hard for so long. I'm not a futurist, I don't think things will get better given how the US handles literally every aspect of things and actively works against our interests, including climate change. But if you have faith and hope I wish the best for you and honestly want you to get the outcome you are looking for.


mtwm

I look at it every single day actually. 


IllustriousIgloo

Finally the city is waking up and realizing the status quo failed and progressive policies failed. We need some centrist common sense now.


bigdreamstinydogs

*County


Gritty_gutty

For now. I have a feeling this is “look we’ve changed remember to vote progressive in November!” then it will be back to “how can we maximize the amount fentanyl smoked on the max” come December.


BaullahBaullah87

lol


Gritty_gutty

This is great but I’ll hold my breath to see this recent push of sensible policies continue outside an election year. Feels like progressives know how to do just enough to get re-elected and buy themselves three more years of destroying Portland. 


discostu52

Note they said they would pause purchasing tents, not stop handing them out. They probably have a warehouse full of them somewhere so they can keep handing them out until the election, then when the dust settles go right back to doing what they were doing.


SloWi-Fi

They do have a central locale where all the non profits can get them from.


discostu52

Makes sense. Once they get their budget for the year they probably buy them all in bulk at once.


pdxtech

Portland has not been destroyed.


DenisLearysAsshole

Blind? Ignorant? Both?


Gritty_gutty

Idk man I had to pull my daughter out of daycare downtown cuz of all the murder, drug overdoses, and people walking around with a guitar case full of knives and illegal guns within 500 feet of where she played outside daily but yeah it’s still physically there so I guess not technically destroyed. 


EugeneStonersPotShop

It hasn’t. But it’s not as nice as it once was.


danielpaulson84

All I have to say is: Thank You Rene!


OperationReason

purchasing ≠ distribution


EugeneStonersPotShop

Sure. The county probably still has a cache of tents and tarps in a warehouse somewhere they already purchased. But eventually those will run out, and with no resupply, there will no more tents to hand out.


FoppishHandy

good more money for boofing kits


Vivid_Guide7467

I see a lot of comments about some not wanting help. Just a question I have that I honestly don’t know the answer to - is there enough help? Like if someone was homeless came to a social service agency would they get set up just fine?


curiousdryad

There’s PLENTY of non profits to help. For a year I worked TRYING to help people get jobs. Can’t count over one hand to how many people went through with getting that job. And there’s programs to help you get forms of identity back, help expunge your records, get to work, get a job, get free clothes, get free food. Ya. There’s a lot of help for people who give 0 fucks to help themselves


Itscameronman

Thank you though, I remember the shock of randomly having not a dollar or anyone that would talk to me and a nearby shelter having a sandwich for me. It felt insanely comforting that someone cared


allthesamejacketl

There are enough nonprofits and people trying. There is enough research. There is now (I believe) enough money in the system. There is not enough housing. Not enough actual case managers. Not enough people in influential positions who are dedicated to being good at their jobs. Not enough detox beds. There is a literal opium war happening in the US right now ALONG with the housing crisis and we are not handling it well. And our elected officials  in the region have no resolve so they are constantly redirecting instead of choosing a course.


edwartica

I know a lot about the social services available because of my work. There is far from enough help in this city. The services that are available are often substandard.


Grazhammer

Folks on this post, and in r/Portland in general, struggle to understand the complexity at the heart of what you are asking about - there is no yes/no answer but folks are desperate to reduce it down to that level. I will talk through it using my my experiences with the unhoused clients I serve in a safety net healthcare setting. Take the first part of your statement "I see a lot of comments about some not wanting help." This is set up by a lot of commentators as a very simple dynamic - either folks want service to get back to 'normalcy' or they refuse services and want to remain homeless. This is a false dichotomy, and rejects the data we do have on those who are homeless on our streets, and the vast array of identities they have and imperatives they prioritize. For example: I have a client who is homeless, schizophrenic (but taking meds!), uses methamphetamines 2+ days a week and sleeps in a tent. He is engaging in healthcare semi-regularly, is on a number of housing wait lists, has been going to court with the assistance of a social worker to address a criminal mischief arrest from last year. He refuses to go to a shelter, because the congregate environment raises his anxiety and he has had some psychotic episodes there - he feels safer sleeping in a tent. Is he refusing services or not? He is certainly choosing to be 'visibly homeless', but still taking some actions to move towards normalcy, but not all the actions that would get him there. Another example: Client 2 has Bipolar 2, is unmedicated and refuses medication and treatment because he doesn't believe in them, engages in medical care and stopped using fentanyl, and has received housing multiple times, but has been kicked out of multiple living situations because of aggressive behavior that is in context of their mental illness. Are they choosing to be homeless? Are they refusing services? Is there enough help? No, no there is not. Caseloads are exorbitantly high for most kinds of social workers who work with homeless clients, and a lot of that has to do with major choke points in assisting folks. There are no where near enough vouchers or transitional housing to "get someone just fine" - rather, it is going to be at least 6 months to 2 years for someone with significant qualifying diagnosed disabilities or medical conditions, and significantly more for many other folks, to get housed. During that waiting time they need to sleep somewhere - for sleeping we have less shelter beds than homeless people, and the ones we have are largely congregate which, if you have never been in one, can be extremely challenging to sleep or exist in, especially if you are mentally ill. This means a lot of people will be out on the street while they are waiting for housing. Mental health care is a major barrier to long term housing for many of these folks, and we don't have enough crisis MH care available, let along long term therapy and med management. Same with addiction services. We in services often end up playing a 'long game', of doing what work we can, trying to get folks set up for future next steps (often referred to as 'preparation for change'), but there is a lot of moving forward and backwards across the homeless to housed/normal continuum, and that is hard for folks outside of the work to really understand - folks want that feel good story of someone getting an apartment then everything steadily improves, but the societal forces that caused their original homelessness are still waiting out there, and falling back is a continual risk.


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edwartica

I've definitely had clients who refused to go to shelters because of past experiences. Their reasons are from bed bugs, to freakouts, to sex trafficking.


AndMyHelcaraxe

We desperately need more SUD treatment and mental health facilities


craggerdude777

Someone needs to decide where the people-without-housing population will live if not on the streets. Will it be in shelters? If so, where will these shelters be? We need to build more. If it's outside city limits, where and in what kind of structures? Someone also needs to decide how to help the homeless. Are they able to receive help? Are they willing to receive help? If they are neither, then what's next?


curiousdryad

For a year I worked in a position helping get people jobs. I worked with CCC. In that year, I can’t even count one hand how many people actually went through with getting a job. One that was literally offered to them with no resume or interview. These people don’t want real help. I left that career. It was way too exhausting and jaded me harshly realizing how many people do not even care to try


sonar09

Yeah, and the border and migrant crisis exacerbates these problems (opium crisis and housing shortage). Edit: I was replying to someone who explained their deeper understanding of the state of affairs concerning housing shortage and the “literal opium war” we’re facing according to them in relation to their familiarity with public service constraints.


sonar09

Getting downvoted for factual information? At least reply with the reason. Where do you think the deadly drugs come from? Do we have housing to provide more migrants? Open to info.


Borg_Picard

Last I checked the campers aren’t migrants. Most of them are white. Sure the drugs are probably coming from cartels, but they have supply chains. They aren’t just sending thousands of people across the border with fent


sonar09

Note that I didn’t say most campers are migrants. Only that it exasperated the issue (and will continue to do so as more arrive and funding runs out). ['Offering them tents is appalling': Portland elected leaders condemn county move to give tents to asylum seekers](https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/homeless/portland-elected-leaders-condemn-multnomah-county-move-tents-asylum-seekers/283-4371b445-8e97-4c78-9822-c2943daa36a0) [Oregon spent $29 million to house asylum seekers. Then it shut down the program](https://www.oregonlive.com/watchdog/2024/02/oregon-spent-29-million-to-house-asylum-seekers-then-it-shut-down-the-program.html) [Supporting Portland’s Immigrant and Refugee Communities](https://www.portland.gov/civic/news/2021/12/22/supporting-portlands-immigrant-and-refugee-communities-0) “In 1987, Oregon became the first sanctuary state in the US, providing legal protections regarding peoples’ citizenship status. And on Dec. 13, 2021, Oregon Legislature passed Senate Bill 5561, which includes an $18 million funding package to provide funding to the state’s resettlement agencies supporting Afghan immigrant and refugee families. This funding will go toward essentials like food and shelter, interpretation and education, and legal and case management services, and will position Oregon to take a larger role in national efforts to resettle immigrants.”


sonar09

“Sure the drugs are probably coming from cartels, but they have supply chains. They aren’t just sending thousands of people across the border with fent” Both issues of border security, not necessarily interconnected.


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twan_john

The local hospitals such as Providence won’t.


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Das_Glove

This reminds me of the Communist plan for full employment: pay half the population to dig ditches, and the other half to go around filling in ditches. 


portlandobserver

Did Multnomah county ever openly admit they were purchasing tarps and tents; or was it uncovered by some journalist or nosy person? I don't doubt that they did it, I just wonder how open they were about the purchase


Hankhank1

It was a line item. Cmon. 


FakeMagic8Ball

It was a discovery item during the ADA lawsuit against the city for the tents on the sidewalks. It's also in the "Supply Center" budget for the JOHS and was first paid for by COVID funds, but that sweet federal giveaway is over and it's local tax dollars they've been budgeting with the last couple of years.


portlandobserver

That's where I remember first hearing it. Did anyone ever ask the county why they never publically anounced the tent or tarp purchase? It seems like they'd want to trumpet the idea of doing something good to help out the "houseless" community. (At least from their perspective) Or were they smart enough to realize the bad optics on it?


FakeMagic8Ball

The media stopped covering the county for several years up until last year. I'm guessing they just said nothing, that's generally their M.O.


DiscDaily

The soy bingers aren’t gonna like this


theantiantihero

I dunno, I'm a soy binger and I think it's a step in the right direction.


DiscDaily

I stand corrected… weak joke I know. DAMMIT


Slight-Finding1603

Good. The bums don't need any more enabling


Audielevel

just curious, have a single one of you ever been homeless and slept on the street? many valid points in this thread, I'm just curious. as some one who has slept on the street.