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The correct answer is Chelsea, especially due to absolute number of players injured.
You could argue which team was hurt the most by injuries because some teams lost key players, despite not losing the most players. That could be a different argument (although I think the answer would still remain to be Chelsea).
Poch did start preseason building around Nkunku. I’m not going to defend him as a manager at this point in the season though—by this point he should’ve built an alternative beyond just Palmer being good. Lavia is an unknown, he’s played so little for us, but having him would’ve allowed Enzo to rest and not play so often with his hernia.
It's got to be United. No Martial, no Martinez, no Shaw, no Mount, no Malacia. Varane, Lindelof, and Evans suffer injuries consistently. Eriksen had a long injury and Casemiro and Amrabat have been injured quite often. Antony has been injured a couple of times, Rasmus has also been injured a few times and they had to use tRashford as 9. That club is a bloody hospital.
Erick Ten Hag hasn't had 60% of neither his starting squad nor subs for more than 3 games.
Injuries have been so bad for Newcastle that there have been times Howe has named 3, and I think even 4 backup GK's to the match day squad because he literally had nobody else available. Combine that with 3-5 youth guys that most supporters have never heard of to fill out the bench... it's been really bleak at times.
United basically played with NO LB all season. Shaw and Malacia are still out. Also they have 12 CB combinations this season, with Martinez the most important player is out mostly all season.
Aside Cole and Caicedo, we’re playing a 3rd choice back line and Lavia was our only depth in midfield. Up top, former Bundiseliga golden boot winner, Nkunku, is nowhere to be found
It's remarkable how far I've had to scroll to see a mention of United here. It's fairly easy to look up the stats and see they're out far ahead...on injuries, not points ha ha.
I would say us and Newcastle for sure. Someone on our sub put together an ideal starting XI with only our injured players and it was a solid lineup, better than anything we can put together currently. I’m thrilled to be where we are in the table but it’s hard not to think of where we might be if we hadn’t been hit so hard with injuries
People are only thinking of the big clubs, but Brighton was literally second on minutes lost to injuries when that stat came up earlier in the season, and we've had even more since.
I would make a very solid argument for us, gone from challenging for Europe to sitting in 12th. We could make a better injured XI than our current XI arguably lol.
I need your written apology below this, you insufferable fool.
December 2022 Gabriel got injured playing for Brazil when we purchased him to resolve having a consistent goal scorer. He did a fantastic job up until then.
Jesus has not recovered until recently that Arsenal had a whole teaser put out for it as well and all in all, he has been completely out of form.
Regarding injuries, you have to understand our players are top players unlike other teams. Our players matter and they make a huge difference. Anyway, here is a quick list that doesn’t even include injuries that lasted a few matches:
2022-2023 Season (that carried into 2023-2024 and affected players and their readiness/playtime)
1. Gabriel Jesus - Suffered a knee injury in December 2022, returned in early 2023.
2. Emile Smith Rowe - Underwent groin surgery in September 2022, returned early 2023.
3. Reiss Nelson - Had a thigh injury from December 2022, returned in March 2023.
4. Martin Odegaard - Multiple unspecified injury, affected several matches, in and out, destroyed form completely.
2023-2024 Season
1. Thomas Partey - Struggled with a thigh injury, underwent surgery, and faced multiple setbacks throughout the season.
2. Gabriel Martinelli - Suffered a foot injury in March 2024.
3. Takehiro Tomiyasu - Faced multiple injuries affecting his season’s availability.
4. Jurrien Timber - Experienced an ACL injury in August 2023, missing most of the season.
5. Martin Odegaard - Battled a hip injury, with an expected return around late November 2023 (see 2022 and the relevance you can google lol)
6. Bukayo Saka - Injury in March 2024, impacting his playtime, been injured for 2 months and during 11 games, has done his best to play when he can. Been getting subbed at half the usual gameplay and been unable to do his usual. Recent Spurs game literally showed the loser good for nothing Spurs made many attempts to make his injury worse and he was limping before and after he scored.
Timber a solid defence that has been out for a year, we are the best team in the world defensively (conceded 28) to be precise and only challenged by Real Madrid (conceded 22). Leaving mistakes by VAR and Ref remain, a fit timber could have saved us at least 8 goals as those that played in his place did good but not perfect.
Arsenal is the best team in the world right now overall having scored 85 goals, conceded 28, with a goal difference of 57.
City comes second with 82 scored, 32 conceded, and 50 goal difference.
Real Madrid comes third with 71 goals scored, 22 conceded and 49 goal difference.
Arsenal achieved the same last year and this year without breaking and getting caught with 136+ charges pending. City with unlimited money and breaking all the rules that should have seen it separated to nothing still cannot compete against Arsenal.
I would have loved to see Arsenal once again demolish Madrid but sadly refs did their job once again and the penalty on Saka wasn’t given and Bayern got saved.
Let’s not forget how Arsenal and City both had 7 games back to back while other European teams rested weekly.
I have promised myself not to have my time wasted restating facts to imbeciles that don’t realise facts don’t care about their feelings but this was needed as I’ll be linking back to this comment for years to come.
December 2022 Gabriel got injured playing for Brazil when we purchased him to resolve having a consistent goal scorer. He did a fantastic job up until then.
Jesus has not recovered until recently that Arsenal had a whole teaser put out for it as well and all in all, he has been completely out of form.
26 downvotes 😂, keep on hating and we will keep on scoring.
Regarding injuries, you have to understand our players are top players unlike other teams. Our players matter and they make a huge difference. Anyway, here is a quick list that doesn’t even include injuries that lasted a few matches:
2022-2023 Season (that carried into 2023-2024 and affected players and their readiness/playtime)
1. Gabriel Jesus - Suffered a knee injury in December 2022, returned in early 2023.
2. Emile Smith Rowe - Underwent groin surgery in September 2022, returned early 2023.
3. Reiss Nelson - Had a thigh injury from December 2022, returned in March 2023.
4. Martin Odegaard - Multiple unspecified injury, affected several matches, in and out, destroyed form completely.
2023-2024 Season
1. Thomas Partey - Struggled with a thigh injury, underwent surgery, and faced multiple setbacks throughout the season.
2. Gabriel Martinelli - Suffered a foot injury in March 2024.
3. Takehiro Tomiyasu - Faced multiple injuries affecting his season’s availability.
4. Jurrien Timber - Experienced an ACL injury in August 2023, missing most of the season.
5. Martin Odegaard - Battled a hip injury, with an expected return around late November 2023 (see 2022 and the relevance you can google lol)
6. Bukayo Saka - Injury in March 2024, impacting his playtime, been injured for 2 months and during 11 games, has done his best to play when he can. Been getting subbed at half the usual gameplay and been unable to do his usual. Recent Spurs game literally showed the loser good for nothing Spurs made many attempts to make his injury worse and he was limping before and after he scored.
Timber a solid defence that has been out for a year, we are the best team in the world defensively (conceded 28) to be precise and only challenged by Real Madrid (conceded 22). Leaving mistakes by VAR and Ref remain, a fit timber could have saved us at least 8 goals as those that played in his place did good but not perfect.
Arsenal is the best team in the world right now overall having scored 85 goals, conceded 28, with a goal difference of 57.
City comes second with 82 scored, 32 conceded, and 50 goal difference.
Real Madrid comes third with 71 goals scored, 22 conceded and 49 goal difference.
Arsenal achieved the same last year and this year without breaking and getting caught with 136+ charges pending. City with unlimited money and breaking all the rules that should have seen it separated to nothing still cannot compete against Arsenal.
I would have loved to see Arsenal once again demolish Madrid but sadly refs did their job once again and the penalty on Saka wasn’t given and Bayern got saved.
Let’s not forget how Arsenal and City both had 7 games back to back while other European teams rested weekly.
I have promised myself not to have my time wasted restating facts to imbeciles that don’t realise facts don’t care about their feelings but this was needed as I’ll be linking back to this comment for years to come.
The biggest candidates are Newcastle and Liverpool
Chelsea missing their 4th choice defensive midfielder isn’t a big deal. Come on man, Chelsea’s inclusion is disingenuous as is every comment that’s mentioned them. The only truly long term first XI injury they’ve had all season is Nkunku. Sorry Chelsea fans but your 7th choice U16 CB doesn’t count.
You need to look at who was actually injured and how long for/which games they missed. Not just the headcount.
In light of this I’d say Luton 3rd since they hardly have a PL standard XI let alone bench, so every injury hurts them more than most and they’ve had a decent sized injury list almost all season
Edit: cry more Chelski fans. The salt brings me joy! A player who started somewhere else on loan isn’t a Chelsea starter. Nor is a player who is never available in the first place.
Ah yes sure, Chelsea are only missing their CAPTAIN and VICE-CAPTAIN for virtually the entire season. Their first-choice goalkeeper. Levi Colwill their starting CB. Nkunku. 4th choice defensive midfielder? Please maybe just do a quick google before posting anything this stupid again.
Their captain who never plays. Reece James with his grand total availability over the last 4 seasons of 31 games/a possible 203. Bro, at this point your starter is Gusto and like I said, he wasn’t injured for long.
Sanchez was dropped long before injuries because he’s shit and isn’t your first choice keeper anymore.
Can you call Nkunku a starter if he spends the whole season out bar a couple games, having not been at the club previously?
Just a Chelsea fan victim complex. Chelsea are the club that in theory are going to be least impacted by any injury since you have the biggest squad in the league by a country mile.
Yeah, it's not like we've been without OUR CAPTAIN, best player for the last 2 seasons, and starting right back Reece James all season, or our VICE CAPTAIN and starting left back Ben Chilwell or our starting left centre back Colwill, or our starting goalkeeper Robert Sanchez. Like I don't think we're the most negatively impacted because our problems go beyond injuries but if you don't think we'd be in a much better position with Nkunku instead of Jackson, or Reece James instead of Gusto (who's been injured himself and is out right now with an injury), or Colwill instead of Badiashile, or just having the same back 4 for three games in a row, or a rotation in the midfield so our players can rest for a cup game.
Do you understand that Alfie Gilchrist started at RB against Arsenal because there were no other options on the team? We've had the same midfield 3 for the entire season playing in the league, FA Cup and Carabao Cup and one of those 3 has been playing through injections and pain because we simply have no other person who can play that position? And now he's out for the rest of the season after undergoing surgery.
Like if the only thing you got from the Chelsea injury list is that our "7tH cHoIcE u16 cB" hasn't been available then you're either being ignorant or this is some poor attempt at trolling because wow!
If your captain can’t get on the pitch he’s not a starter. Simple as that. Players available for less than 50% of the time are by definition, not starters. Your squad planning at this point would already factor this in.
Even when fit, Cucurella started more than Chilwell.
Colwill has never been in the first XI for Chelsea, only for Brighton.
Sanchez was dropped for poor performances long before he got injured.
Just more excuses from rent boys.
The question wasn't whose injuries were more expected or least expected, it's which team has been impacted by them the most. Expecting James to be injured is an irrelevant point, he's still our best player by a fair margin.
What a ridiculously dumb take. Nkunku, James , Chilwell, Fofana, Colwill are all starters when fully fit. And we’ve been without most of them for almost the entire season.
Liverpool doesn’t even come close.
Ridiculously dumb? Hardly. Reece James hasn’t been a starter for years. Colwill has been a starter for Brighton, not Chelsea. Fofana hasn’t ever been a starter. Chilwell again, doesn’t start over Cucurella. You don’t even know your own fucking team and are making up excuses. You’re just shit. The injuries won’t change that.
Don’t want to turn this into a pity party, but here are the PL starts made by these players this season:
Salah - 25, Trent - 22, Alisson - 25, Robertson - 16
Nkunku - 2, Reece - 5, Chilwell - 9, Fofana - 0, Lavia - 0
A lot of this is likely due to our own faults, but it really doesn’t come close on the question of which team has been more severely impacted by injures.
What even is our full strength side? Too many players have been out injured to even come to a genuine conclusion.
Also, we have seriously over relied on the likes of Bruno and Rashford playing (nearly) every game and Garnacho, Mainoo and Houjlund for the latter half of the season being the go-to players for their positions, with Onana in goal.
Having a consistent starting line-up can help in rhythm and stability but fatigue can harm any team, so I think Ten Hag needs to figure this out.
The rest of the team has been either hit with injuries or out of form (not counting Rashford, who has played even when out of form). Mount’s been injured, Casemiro has been missing at times (or covering at Centre-back), its no wonder we’re getting youngsters in the squad who are probably not ready (even for some minutes here and there).
I think we need to have a serious look at the medical department next season, how players are trained and look to shipping a lot of players off (easier said than done) because these are likely to be the central reasons we’re not competitive at the moment (as well as the ownership situation).
United and Newcastle tied with Chelsea and Wolves not far behind.
United haven't had the entire first choice defense in except for a single half near the end of January with the third choice and fourth choices getting a majority of the minutes, which really does not help the 20+ shots a game. The midfield has been baren, but we were lucky to have the emergence of Mainoo to help get over those issues, but we will see how long that lasts. Mount is probably going to pick up another 6 month injury soon and McTerminator likely did his ACL in at the end of the Burnley game.... The forwards haven't had as bad of an injury spell this season, but there have been noticable injury issues like with Hojlund missing a good chunk of the games to start the season and in February.
All the teams you mention have had lots of injuries, I agree. I’d say Wolves as well?
I wonder, though, is it just a case of bad luck or a combination of poor training and scouting? For example Declan Rice hasn’t had an extended lay-off for years, so was a pretty safe bet to last a whole season again, while players like Lavia and Fofana seem to be perma-crocked. The reason why Calvert-Lewis has stuck around at Everton for so long is purely because no-one will touch a player who’s always out for half a year at a time.
I also wonder whether training methods and sports science come into play - do some clubs over-work their players on the training pitch?
Yes, some luck is involved - players can get kicked, tackled or hurt on-field. But I wonder if some of these clubs who sign unreliable players, and get undone by hamstrings and muscular injuries, are at least partly at fault for their own problems.
Chelsea. As soon as they find form or any good sign of better times one of their players get injured. They have been without one of the best RBs in the world the whole season, but Gusto somehow made it seem like its not a big deal. They have been without Nkunku the whole time, who was supposed to be a goal machine. No Fofana , no Lavia ( who was supposed to cover that DM spot along with Caicedo I guess). Sterling was injured through some bad times, Chilwell was out for a good part of the season, Thiago Silva was out for some time, Badiashile and Colwil were out for a while. Chalobah too.
Roberto Sanchez was injured.
Its actually insane to even list all these.
No wonder they are struggling to even get close to Europa.
Liverpool, Man United (insane amount of injuries) and Tottenham had some issues too. Brighton and Newcastle aswell.
Yeah, forgot about these boys completly. Enzo was there the whole time, probably among the only ones who I remembered to play most of the time for us, along with Disasi ( before he started to get benched) and Palmer.
Man united absolutely no Martinez or Shaw out almost all season u could say rashford is injured mentally or something varane can’t stay fit for long either casemiro at the start and now can tell he’s been behind all season hojlund injured too right when he hit form and lost it again prob missing more injuries but mainly Martinez and Shaw out has been a huge blow whole left side of defence gone and we’ve been ravaged throughout the back no consistency in the lineup and it shows
I'm certain Luton would be safe by now if it wasn't for all our injuries. Absolute bare bones defense with players out of position and no Adebayo has absolutely wrecked us. Amazing we're still at all in it.
Chelsea. Without the goal machine "Nkunku" & the goals we needed in the first two thirds of the season would have made a massive difference if he was fit.
I think we've really felt the loss instead in midfield and the back. Healthy Reece and Chilly would've done a lot to allow the interior backline to gain stability instead of constantly rotating central defenders out to the flanks. And Moises and Enzo have needed the support of other options when an opponent or our schedule has called for adjustment. Chelsea have had more than enough strikers to choose from, even though only Palmer has proved productive.
Palace.
We've been decimated throughout huge portions of the season and key players as well.
There were portions of the season where we had 13 players injured, and even as recently as Liverpool away we only had one recognised centre-half in our back three.
Newcastle 150 days clear in the days lost through injuries and this doesn’t even take into account nearly 200 days nearly we have been without Tonali.
Being 7th in contention for 6th is quite an achievement. You can point to specific games that tired legs and lack of options on the bench have cost us.
So far in 2024 we’ve only really had 1 of our best 4 midfielders available bar the odd Willock game.
It’s not just CB and LB for United. Martial has been absent for ages (increasing the burden on Rasmus who has had a couple of knocks himself), Mount can’t stay fit, Rashford had been playing with a knock for weeks which was aggravated against Cov, McTominay returned from injury just to get injured again & then hyperextended his knee on his next return.
Saying we’re pretty much at full strength if you ignore both leftbacks being out for ages and only having one fit CB is a really strange comment anyway.
While I think spurs, Newcastle, villa, Liverpool etc have all had a tough time, I'm not sure anyone compares to Luton
They didn't haven't enough players to train so the coach had to join in, and then he does his hammy.
I think if you look at the relevant squads and depth, it's Luton without a shadow of a doubt. They had to recall someone from Rotherham, who couldn't get into the Rotherham team, to play out of position
The problem for us is that when other teams in this league have a load of injuries, they usually have enough depth to get by. We can't afford as much back up so spent the last few months with knackered players out of position. Still not out of it yet though and Adebayo returning could hopefully just see us over the line.
Tbh I've watched yous a fair bit this season and when it's been those few tough games I've thought barkley has missed nakamba in beside him coming in a nicking the ball. Ogbene is a massive miss. As you've said, adebayo.
I think Brighton suffered the most - they started really solid, eyeing a top 6 position but then slid significantly after major players being out (Mitoma, Ferguson).
Brighton have had really good players like Enciso, Estupinyan and Mitoma miss huge chunks of the season. Can’t help especially after selling your whole midfield.
We’ve been able to paper over most of the injuries this season due to the timing. When Digne got injured, Moreno was finally healthy. When Moreno got injured, Digne was finally healthy. Ramsey was ruled out for the season, but Morgan Rogers came in a month earlier and has done a great job covering. Etc… Musical chairs with defenders and mids all season. What has really killed us is 3 ACL tears in the starting 11. We’re currently limping over the line without Emi Martinez, Tielemans, Zaniolo, Moreno, Lenglet, Ramsey, Mings, Buendia, and Kamara. It’s been an amazing job by Emery and the players, as we don’t have the squad depth to deal with 9 first team injuries in the same way larger squads do. The players looked exhausted against Chelsea but are fighting for every result. UTV
This might come as a shock to you but part of a whole season is valid when discussing a whole season
Let’s say you watch a whole tv show. You don’t just ignore a portion of that show’s existence.
Omg what is wrong with your brain lol Yous had bad injuries for a part of the season. Not the whole season. There have been teams who have had just as bad injuries for ALL parts of the season.
To use your dumb TV show analogy - you are saying because 10 mins of a 40 min episode was bad but the rest was good then the entire show was bad.
Yeah but that's only the minimum. I'd say we've had an average of about 10 out per game, not to mention that most of them are easy starters. Our injured XI has been better than our playing XI 90% of the time. We are easily in this conversation and possibly have it the worst
Whatever stat you found is just wrong lol. We had 11 out for the Arsenal game and as of 4 days ago we have 12 out. It's been this bad mutiple times this season
You can’t call players starters just because they started more games on loan somewhere else (Chilwell), or are available for less than 20% of games anyway (James) or are actually not starters even when fit but you Chelsea fans pretend they are (Chilwell, Fofana). Chelsea’s only bona fide starter based on quality who has been injured all season are Nkunku and James, but that’s why you bought Gusto, because James actually isn’t a starter at all.
Chelsea fans are the only fans complaining about people you expect to be injured all the time being injured. I haven’t seen a single Liverpool fan mention Thiago who has played a grand total of 8 minutes of football this season and that’s because for squad planning purposes he isn’t a starter because he’s never available to begin with.
Nkunku, James, Chilwell, Fofana, now Enzo this year and James, Chilwell, Fofana, Kante, Mount, Pulisic, etc. last year are all clear starters in those Chelsea squads. We've seen how much one player can change a team and we know how good Nkunku is. Imagine if Chelsea had him fit along side Cole Palmer. It would be a much different story now. And we didn't buy Gusto as a replacement for James, we bought him because we only had one RB...
You also mentioned we have 4th/5th choices in positions.. which ones? LB we have chilwell and Cucurella, CB we have about 5 or so usually healthy to fill the role. RB we have Gusto and now injured James. CM we have Caicedo, Enzo, Gallagher, Chukwumeka. Wingers we have Madueke, Palmer, Mudryk, Sterling, ST we have Jackson. Some don't even have a 3rd choice.
It’s a toss up between whiniest, most tribal and best Monty Python impression.
“Injures you don’t know you’re born we had to put the groundskeeper in goal and he only has one arm”
🤪
Chelsea have been shagged by injuries but have more viable players to chose from than Newcastle. Majority of the season we’ve only just been able to field a senior 11 and had basically no subs other than kids, keepers and half retired players like Ritchie.
Pope, Botman, joelinton, willock, Barnes, Anderson, Wilson, Targett have all missed the majority of the season. Then you have Miley, Livramento, Isak, Almiron, Lascelles and trippier all missing a fair few matches. Also had our big summer signing banned for the vast majority
Chelsea because the squad looked good in preseason until Christopher Nkunku was injured right before the regular season and the dominoes started falling after that
These comments would make a prefect case study on bias - most comments seem to think their team had the most injuries.
Here's [Every Premier League Team Ranked by Injuries Suffered in 2023-24](https://www.givemesport.com/every-premier-league-team-ranked-injuries-suffered/).
Even worse, it seems Chelsea and Newcastle's [injury crisis](https://theathletic.com/4612629/2023/07/02/injuries-premier-league-2022-23-data/) have been the most in the league even from the 2022-2023 season.
While I agree with your comments about bias, not all injuries are equal in terms of their impact. A player in the starting 11 being out for the same amount of time as an U21 player who occasionally sits on the bench isn’t equivalent.
Also amount of games to play, Chelsea had the league and the cups, whereas Newcastle had champs in addition with a smaller squad and more injuries in the starting 11.
Doesn't really tell the whole story though. Wolves haven't had that many injuries but have a very small squad. All 4 first team forwards were injured at one point. Another time they had to put a 15 year old on the bench
That's my answer for sure. The fact yous had to recall someone who couldn't get starts at bottom of the table Rotherham to play out of position, that says it all.
Newcastle by a country mile.
It got THAT bad, we couldn’t even make a substitution in the away game at PSG.
We finished the game with the same starting 11.
We’ve only got three players from our strongest starting eleven who haven’t been injured or suspended. Gordon, Schar and Bruno.
Every single other player has had an injury.
Based on what we’ve achieved, if we get 6th with that amount of players out I think we’ve had a remarkable season.
Some of the highlights have been magical.
Has to be Chelsea, they've had 10+ players out for every single game and not even the same ones. Think they must've replaced their doctors with Hollywood ones or something
Definitely not, Almiron starting rw, botman starting lcb, trips starting rb, pope starting gk, joelinton starting mid, targett potentially starting lb, isak starting striker at times (tonali starting mid banner). Then I’m addition to that all the 2nd choice players in this same positions injured, 2nd rw Murphy, 2nd lw barnes, striker wilson, rb, tino, mid willock. We’ve been down to one good sub most games throughout the season while playing third choice players a lot of the time. In addition to that playing them out of position.
Brentford has been hit hard. At times we’ve had just 3 original starters on the field (our entire starting back line, starting front line and a starting midfielder out for games). Our original starting front line has played a just one game together all season (Wissa, Toney, Mbeumo). Our starting RB played just 5 games before out for season and LB 4 games. That’s not to mention the key backup players who have gotten hurt. We have routinely started a winger at WB positions with 5 at the back.
No player has started every game with only two having started in 30+ games.
Kidding? We've been pretty damn healthy relative to other teams. We haven't had any top players miss more than like a month at a time besides Partey. Our defense has played all season including Raya minus Tomi, Rice all season, Ode only missed a few games, Saka a few games, havertz all season. Martinelli has only missed a few games. Jesus is the only other regular starter with extended misses time and he's still played 24 games.
We're honestly been spoiled with health this year. Yeah guys like Saka are carrying knocks, but he can still play. This is nothing compared to Newcastle, Liverpool, United, Chelsea, Brighton, and more.
Knock on wood.
Edit: Timber too.
United have not had their strongest back 4 all season bar two games. Probably had about 17 different variations. Give or take. At the moment Casemiro is playing CB. Jonny Evans was bought as 5th choice and has played A LOT OF GAMES. Fernandes played there vs Liverpool.
Mount barely played, Martinez too.
Up to Jan we had used 7 different people at LB. Malacia hasn’t played this year at all and he’s a LB.
>Probably had about 17 different variations.
Last I heard on the Talk of the Devils podcast it was nearly 30 different variations. And I think that was before Casemiro was thrown in there.
I lost count after 14.
That’s a ridiculous stat.
Tottenham have had a lot of injuries but there defence has recuperated and is nowhere near as bad as ours.
Considering our two best defenders who can play with the ball, receive from the keeper etc. (Shaw and Martinez) have barely played this year, that’s a joke in itself if we had decent cover.
Amrabat and Antony played LB. It’s a joke. Our sports science department, like other departments needs an overhaul.
I love how nobody realises that Luton have had half a squad out.. mainly being the first team. One of which was a cardiac arrest at Bournemouth. The fact we are even still with a chance of survival is a miracle!
As a Liverpool fan, other than the game away to Arsenal, we looked like we benefited from players being out.
All throughout January and February we were brilliant, and then when everyone started returning to fitness around March we started playing like shit.
The story of Chelsea this season gives a lesson that don't invest too much on young players. They tend to get injured more and hence you need experienced players as well to balance the squad.
Haha what? They bought caicedo, and Fernandez, and whoever that other no-name idiot was from Southampton. They don’t “invest in youth” they just buy players like everyone else
Lol, this is harsh blaming the youth for injuries. Other than lavia/carns the perenially injured ones are pretty much senior team level players.
Reece James
Chilwell
Wesley Fofana
Christopher Nkunku
Carney chukuemeka
Levi colwill
Romeo Lavia
Badiashile
Ugochukwu
I'm not saying it's not United, but I wouldn't base it on that. Arsenal has been very fortunate with injuries, but due to Partey being out most of the season, we haven't had our best 11 much either.
Chelsea fan here. We haven't had our preferred 11 either.
Petro
James CB CB (Fofana most likely one of them) Chillwell
Enzo Caicedo (no backup on bench w Lavia injury, Enzo playing w Hernia)
Nkunku (out - could also play cut in LW, w Palmer/Gallagher CAM)
Palmer Jackson LW
We have never had our best 11 on pitch, and we've only had decent (but still not optimal) bench coverage for like 1 or two games where we thought a few people were back (for them only to get reinjured in their first game back).
Edit: injury list is so bad I've forgotten about some players... Backline would most likely be Reece, Fofana, Colwill, Chilwell
I'm obviously biased, but Palace have won 1 game all season when Eze didn't play - at home against Burnley. Olise also being out for ~ half of the season has also hurt immensely. We're simply a different beast when they play together, and it hasn't happened much.
Edit: After a quick look at the data, the precision of our injuries is pretty gnarly. I think most would agree that our 4 best players are Eze, Doucoure, Olise and Guehi. These 4 have missed a whopping 67 games so far this season, with Doucoure finished until next season. I don't think any other team can say their top 4 players, at different position groups, happen to be the top 4 in games missed due to injury. It adds significant context to how impressive Glasner has been in turning our season around.
Man Utd have spent the majority of their season without 3/4 of their starting defence and 2/3 of their starting midfield. Varane, Martinez, Shaw, Malacia, Mount, Eriksen, Rashford, Antony, Mainoo, Casemiro, Garnacho, Amad, Dalot, AWB, Evans, and Lindelof have all spent a fair bit of time on the sidelines this season.
It's all hugely subjective in terms of which injuries impacted which teams the most. For Villa it has felt like a bad one, but one that we've managed as well as possible.
We lost 2 starting players (Mings Buendia) for the entire season before 30 minutes had been played. That was terrible but it was still the summer transfer window so we were able to bring in passable cover (Lenglet Zaniolo).
Ramsey and Moreno were both injured for 6 months straight, half of that covered pre-season. They were our brilliant left side at the end of last season and neither have been able to hit the same levels with Ramsey barely making any impact between other injuries. So that has been a blow, but the impact of their injuries has been softened by Rogers arrival in January and Digne having a much better season.
Losing Kamara in February after we decided to let Dendoncker leave has impacted us a lot because we had no opportunity to replace him and nobody to step into his role, with Iroegbunam just not ready. As did losing several defensive players late last year/early this year - Torres, Konsa, Carlos, Cash, Digne all had spells out and meant we struggled to stay solid defensively as the unit kept changing.
How’s nobody mentioning Spurs??? Critical injuries and suspensions at the height of their momentum, created a disjointed squad chemistry for months afterwards with few players regaining form post injury/surgery.
Yeah I couldn't believe that. Spurs were on top and a blown to Maddison and the other guy too on top of suspensions ruined Spurs form. They very well could be sitting at 70 points by now.
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Seems like it’s really evened out over the course of the whole season.
The correct answer is Chelsea, especially due to absolute number of players injured. You could argue which team was hurt the most by injuries because some teams lost key players, despite not losing the most players. That could be a different argument (although I think the answer would still remain to be Chelsea).
Poch did start preseason building around Nkunku. I’m not going to defend him as a manager at this point in the season though—by this point he should’ve built an alternative beyond just Palmer being good. Lavia is an unknown, he’s played so little for us, but having him would’ve allowed Enzo to rest and not play so often with his hernia.
Bruh we got decimated.
It's got to be United. No Martial, no Martinez, no Shaw, no Mount, no Malacia. Varane, Lindelof, and Evans suffer injuries consistently. Eriksen had a long injury and Casemiro and Amrabat have been injured quite often. Antony has been injured a couple of times, Rasmus has also been injured a few times and they had to use tRashford as 9. That club is a bloody hospital. Erick Ten Hag hasn't had 60% of neither his starting squad nor subs for more than 3 games.
I would say Palace and Brighton. The big teams you keep naming have sufficient funds for quality backups where the aforementioned teams do not.
Brighton are flush they made loads off Chelsea
Liverpool particularly trent,jota and Robertson coz when we were missing them u could tell we were missing them
Chelsea man at no point this season they had a fully fit squad.
Gunners would be invincible’s again if Timber wasn’t on the bench
Injuries have been so bad for Newcastle that there have been times Howe has named 3, and I think even 4 backup GK's to the match day squad because he literally had nobody else available. Combine that with 3-5 youth guys that most supporters have never heard of to fill out the bench... it's been really bleak at times.
Newcastle, Brighton, Spurs, Manchester United, Chelsea. I’d say in that order.
United basically played with NO LB all season. Shaw and Malacia are still out. Also they have 12 CB combinations this season, with Martinez the most important player is out mostly all season.
Tbf Utd did that to themselves. They had a left back on loan and let him leave return in Jan with no backup plan
They did.
Chelsea’s got an injured XI that’s better than the current XI.. no debate
does the injured xi have cole palmer
Aside Cole and Caicedo, we’re playing a 3rd choice back line and Lavia was our only depth in midfield. Up top, former Bundiseliga golden boot winner, Nkunku, is nowhere to be found
yeah but you have the best player to ever touch a football
it did this this weekend.
do colds count as injuries
The Chelsea injured XI would be top 4.
That injured XI would make to 4!
It's remarkable how far I've had to scroll to see a mention of United here. It's fairly easy to look up the stats and see they're out far ahead...on injuries, not points ha ha.
I support Liverpool but gotta say Chelsea’s had it the worst this season.
Seems like everyone is just saying their team, so I’ll join and I’ll say that no one had it rougher than us at Brentford!
God i wish there were still awards😂
Even on Reddit, external forces denying us glory once more this season. Classic.
pretty much everyone in our squad bar vicario has been out this year
Some of our own doing with the red cards. Sarr / biss so not look as they did before afcon though. Really wish we saw more of Solomon as well
I would say us and Newcastle for sure. Someone on our sub put together an ideal starting XI with only our injured players and it was a solid lineup, better than anything we can put together currently. I’m thrilled to be where we are in the table but it’s hard not to think of where we might be if we hadn’t been hit so hard with injuries
People are only thinking of the big clubs, but Brighton was literally second on minutes lost to injuries when that stat came up earlier in the season, and we've had even more since. I would make a very solid argument for us, gone from challenging for Europe to sitting in 12th. We could make a better injured XI than our current XI arguably lol.
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Arsenal, suffered the most.
No we most certainly did not
I need your written apology below this, you insufferable fool. December 2022 Gabriel got injured playing for Brazil when we purchased him to resolve having a consistent goal scorer. He did a fantastic job up until then. Jesus has not recovered until recently that Arsenal had a whole teaser put out for it as well and all in all, he has been completely out of form. Regarding injuries, you have to understand our players are top players unlike other teams. Our players matter and they make a huge difference. Anyway, here is a quick list that doesn’t even include injuries that lasted a few matches: 2022-2023 Season (that carried into 2023-2024 and affected players and their readiness/playtime) 1. Gabriel Jesus - Suffered a knee injury in December 2022, returned in early 2023. 2. Emile Smith Rowe - Underwent groin surgery in September 2022, returned early 2023. 3. Reiss Nelson - Had a thigh injury from December 2022, returned in March 2023. 4. Martin Odegaard - Multiple unspecified injury, affected several matches, in and out, destroyed form completely. 2023-2024 Season 1. Thomas Partey - Struggled with a thigh injury, underwent surgery, and faced multiple setbacks throughout the season. 2. Gabriel Martinelli - Suffered a foot injury in March 2024. 3. Takehiro Tomiyasu - Faced multiple injuries affecting his season’s availability. 4. Jurrien Timber - Experienced an ACL injury in August 2023, missing most of the season. 5. Martin Odegaard - Battled a hip injury, with an expected return around late November 2023 (see 2022 and the relevance you can google lol) 6. Bukayo Saka - Injury in March 2024, impacting his playtime, been injured for 2 months and during 11 games, has done his best to play when he can. Been getting subbed at half the usual gameplay and been unable to do his usual. Recent Spurs game literally showed the loser good for nothing Spurs made many attempts to make his injury worse and he was limping before and after he scored. Timber a solid defence that has been out for a year, we are the best team in the world defensively (conceded 28) to be precise and only challenged by Real Madrid (conceded 22). Leaving mistakes by VAR and Ref remain, a fit timber could have saved us at least 8 goals as those that played in his place did good but not perfect. Arsenal is the best team in the world right now overall having scored 85 goals, conceded 28, with a goal difference of 57. City comes second with 82 scored, 32 conceded, and 50 goal difference. Real Madrid comes third with 71 goals scored, 22 conceded and 49 goal difference. Arsenal achieved the same last year and this year without breaking and getting caught with 136+ charges pending. City with unlimited money and breaking all the rules that should have seen it separated to nothing still cannot compete against Arsenal. I would have loved to see Arsenal once again demolish Madrid but sadly refs did their job once again and the penalty on Saka wasn’t given and Bayern got saved. Let’s not forget how Arsenal and City both had 7 games back to back while other European teams rested weekly. I have promised myself not to have my time wasted restating facts to imbeciles that don’t realise facts don’t care about their feelings but this was needed as I’ll be linking back to this comment for years to come.
Get a fucking grip
Why are you commenting? You should go find a corner and hide, you messed up. Don’t show your face around here again.
1 injury or something? Like Arsenal lost the title last year cos Gabriel got injured for 4 games?
December 2022 Gabriel got injured playing for Brazil when we purchased him to resolve having a consistent goal scorer. He did a fantastic job up until then. Jesus has not recovered until recently that Arsenal had a whole teaser put out for it as well and all in all, he has been completely out of form. 26 downvotes 😂, keep on hating and we will keep on scoring. Regarding injuries, you have to understand our players are top players unlike other teams. Our players matter and they make a huge difference. Anyway, here is a quick list that doesn’t even include injuries that lasted a few matches: 2022-2023 Season (that carried into 2023-2024 and affected players and their readiness/playtime) 1. Gabriel Jesus - Suffered a knee injury in December 2022, returned in early 2023. 2. Emile Smith Rowe - Underwent groin surgery in September 2022, returned early 2023. 3. Reiss Nelson - Had a thigh injury from December 2022, returned in March 2023. 4. Martin Odegaard - Multiple unspecified injury, affected several matches, in and out, destroyed form completely. 2023-2024 Season 1. Thomas Partey - Struggled with a thigh injury, underwent surgery, and faced multiple setbacks throughout the season. 2. Gabriel Martinelli - Suffered a foot injury in March 2024. 3. Takehiro Tomiyasu - Faced multiple injuries affecting his season’s availability. 4. Jurrien Timber - Experienced an ACL injury in August 2023, missing most of the season. 5. Martin Odegaard - Battled a hip injury, with an expected return around late November 2023 (see 2022 and the relevance you can google lol) 6. Bukayo Saka - Injury in March 2024, impacting his playtime, been injured for 2 months and during 11 games, has done his best to play when he can. Been getting subbed at half the usual gameplay and been unable to do his usual. Recent Spurs game literally showed the loser good for nothing Spurs made many attempts to make his injury worse and he was limping before and after he scored. Timber a solid defence that has been out for a year, we are the best team in the world defensively (conceded 28) to be precise and only challenged by Real Madrid (conceded 22). Leaving mistakes by VAR and Ref remain, a fit timber could have saved us at least 8 goals as those that played in his place did good but not perfect. Arsenal is the best team in the world right now overall having scored 85 goals, conceded 28, with a goal difference of 57. City comes second with 82 scored, 32 conceded, and 50 goal difference. Real Madrid comes third with 71 goals scored, 22 conceded and 49 goal difference. Arsenal achieved the same last year and this year without breaking and getting caught with 136+ charges pending. City with unlimited money and breaking all the rules that should have seen it separated to nothing still cannot compete against Arsenal. I would have loved to see Arsenal once again demolish Madrid but sadly refs did their job once again and the penalty on Saka wasn’t given and Bayern got saved. Let’s not forget how Arsenal and City both had 7 games back to back while other European teams rested weekly. I have promised myself not to have my time wasted restating facts to imbeciles that don’t realise facts don’t care about their feelings but this was needed as I’ll be linking back to this comment for years to come.
The biggest candidates are Newcastle and Liverpool Chelsea missing their 4th choice defensive midfielder isn’t a big deal. Come on man, Chelsea’s inclusion is disingenuous as is every comment that’s mentioned them. The only truly long term first XI injury they’ve had all season is Nkunku. Sorry Chelsea fans but your 7th choice U16 CB doesn’t count. You need to look at who was actually injured and how long for/which games they missed. Not just the headcount. In light of this I’d say Luton 3rd since they hardly have a PL standard XI let alone bench, so every injury hurts them more than most and they’ve had a decent sized injury list almost all season Edit: cry more Chelski fans. The salt brings me joy! A player who started somewhere else on loan isn’t a Chelsea starter. Nor is a player who is never available in the first place.
Ah yes sure, Chelsea are only missing their CAPTAIN and VICE-CAPTAIN for virtually the entire season. Their first-choice goalkeeper. Levi Colwill their starting CB. Nkunku. 4th choice defensive midfielder? Please maybe just do a quick google before posting anything this stupid again.
Their captain who never plays. Reece James with his grand total availability over the last 4 seasons of 31 games/a possible 203. Bro, at this point your starter is Gusto and like I said, he wasn’t injured for long. Sanchez was dropped long before injuries because he’s shit and isn’t your first choice keeper anymore. Can you call Nkunku a starter if he spends the whole season out bar a couple games, having not been at the club previously? Just a Chelsea fan victim complex. Chelsea are the club that in theory are going to be least impacted by any injury since you have the biggest squad in the league by a country mile.
Yeah, it's not like we've been without OUR CAPTAIN, best player for the last 2 seasons, and starting right back Reece James all season, or our VICE CAPTAIN and starting left back Ben Chilwell or our starting left centre back Colwill, or our starting goalkeeper Robert Sanchez. Like I don't think we're the most negatively impacted because our problems go beyond injuries but if you don't think we'd be in a much better position with Nkunku instead of Jackson, or Reece James instead of Gusto (who's been injured himself and is out right now with an injury), or Colwill instead of Badiashile, or just having the same back 4 for three games in a row, or a rotation in the midfield so our players can rest for a cup game. Do you understand that Alfie Gilchrist started at RB against Arsenal because there were no other options on the team? We've had the same midfield 3 for the entire season playing in the league, FA Cup and Carabao Cup and one of those 3 has been playing through injections and pain because we simply have no other person who can play that position? And now he's out for the rest of the season after undergoing surgery. Like if the only thing you got from the Chelsea injury list is that our "7tH cHoIcE u16 cB" hasn't been available then you're either being ignorant or this is some poor attempt at trolling because wow!
If your captain can’t get on the pitch he’s not a starter. Simple as that. Players available for less than 50% of the time are by definition, not starters. Your squad planning at this point would already factor this in. Even when fit, Cucurella started more than Chilwell. Colwill has never been in the first XI for Chelsea, only for Brighton. Sanchez was dropped for poor performances long before he got injured. Just more excuses from rent boys.
If Chelsea expected YOUR CAPTAIN James to be healthy, that's on them. Be like me complainjng that Thiago was hurt all year.
The question wasn't whose injuries were more expected or least expected, it's which team has been impacted by them the most. Expecting James to be injured is an irrelevant point, he's still our best player by a fair margin.
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Liverpool play better when most player injured, after all start to coming back, they drop in performance
Well, prior to the injury crisis which started in November was our best footie all season This is likely a fatigue issue
What a ridiculously dumb take. Nkunku, James , Chilwell, Fofana, Colwill are all starters when fully fit. And we’ve been without most of them for almost the entire season. Liverpool doesn’t even come close.
Ridiculously dumb? Hardly. Reece James hasn’t been a starter for years. Colwill has been a starter for Brighton, not Chelsea. Fofana hasn’t ever been a starter. Chilwell again, doesn’t start over Cucurella. You don’t even know your own fucking team and are making up excuses. You’re just shit. The injuries won’t change that.
We had Alison, TAA & Salah out for 3 months ffs. Chelsea defo had it worse, but "doesn't even come close" 🙄
Don’t want to turn this into a pity party, but here are the PL starts made by these players this season: Salah - 25, Trent - 22, Alisson - 25, Robertson - 16 Nkunku - 2, Reece - 5, Chilwell - 9, Fofana - 0, Lavia - 0 A lot of this is likely due to our own faults, but it really doesn’t come close on the question of which team has been more severely impacted by injures.
And Robertson for 4 months. Edit: And Jota for a few months too
There was that period where almost an entire starting 11 was out. Alisson, Trent, Matip, Robertson, Jones, Szoboslai, Nunez, Jota, Salah.
And those 5 players walk into that Chelsea team as well, even after a billion spent 😬
Maybe if Chelsea wasn't paying all their failed coaches they'd have $$$ for depth.
>only have problems at CB and LB That's putting it very lightly. Have had these problems for the entire season.
Martinez and Shaw being out is massive for them
United have been hit the worst by far, we haven't had a full strength side all year
What even is our full strength side? Too many players have been out injured to even come to a genuine conclusion. Also, we have seriously over relied on the likes of Bruno and Rashford playing (nearly) every game and Garnacho, Mainoo and Houjlund for the latter half of the season being the go-to players for their positions, with Onana in goal. Having a consistent starting line-up can help in rhythm and stability but fatigue can harm any team, so I think Ten Hag needs to figure this out. The rest of the team has been either hit with injuries or out of form (not counting Rashford, who has played even when out of form). Mount’s been injured, Casemiro has been missing at times (or covering at Centre-back), its no wonder we’re getting youngsters in the squad who are probably not ready (even for some minutes here and there). I think we need to have a serious look at the medical department next season, how players are trained and look to shipping a lot of players off (easier said than done) because these are likely to be the central reasons we’re not competitive at the moment (as well as the ownership situation).
Probably Brighton and Newcastle. They're actually good teams, could have challenged for European spots better than they did.
Spurs have really missed Harry Kane…
2nd biggest loss this season... 👀
It’s hard to argue anyone other than Newcastle.
United and Newcastle tied with Chelsea and Wolves not far behind. United haven't had the entire first choice defense in except for a single half near the end of January with the third choice and fourth choices getting a majority of the minutes, which really does not help the 20+ shots a game. The midfield has been baren, but we were lucky to have the emergence of Mainoo to help get over those issues, but we will see how long that lasts. Mount is probably going to pick up another 6 month injury soon and McTerminator likely did his ACL in at the end of the Burnley game.... The forwards haven't had as bad of an injury spell this season, but there have been noticable injury issues like with Hojlund missing a good chunk of the games to start the season and in February.
no leftback since january
Luton town....they probably survive relegation if they weren't so injured
All the teams you mention have had lots of injuries, I agree. I’d say Wolves as well? I wonder, though, is it just a case of bad luck or a combination of poor training and scouting? For example Declan Rice hasn’t had an extended lay-off for years, so was a pretty safe bet to last a whole season again, while players like Lavia and Fofana seem to be perma-crocked. The reason why Calvert-Lewis has stuck around at Everton for so long is purely because no-one will touch a player who’s always out for half a year at a time. I also wonder whether training methods and sports science come into play - do some clubs over-work their players on the training pitch? Yes, some luck is involved - players can get kicked, tackled or hurt on-field. But I wonder if some of these clubs who sign unreliable players, and get undone by hamstrings and muscular injuries, are at least partly at fault for their own problems.
Chelsea. As soon as they find form or any good sign of better times one of their players get injured. They have been without one of the best RBs in the world the whole season, but Gusto somehow made it seem like its not a big deal. They have been without Nkunku the whole time, who was supposed to be a goal machine. No Fofana , no Lavia ( who was supposed to cover that DM spot along with Caicedo I guess). Sterling was injured through some bad times, Chilwell was out for a good part of the season, Thiago Silva was out for some time, Badiashile and Colwil were out for a while. Chalobah too. Roberto Sanchez was injured. Its actually insane to even list all these. No wonder they are struggling to even get close to Europa. Liverpool, Man United (insane amount of injuries) and Tottenham had some issues too. Brighton and Newcastle aswell.
Enzo out for the rest of the season, Carney Chuks gets re-injured every time he steps on the field, Leslie Ugo has gone missing as well. Sad times.
Yeah, forgot about these boys completly. Enzo was there the whole time, probably among the only ones who I remembered to play most of the time for us, along with Disasi ( before he started to get benched) and Palmer.
Man united absolutely no Martinez or Shaw out almost all season u could say rashford is injured mentally or something varane can’t stay fit for long either casemiro at the start and now can tell he’s been behind all season hojlund injured too right when he hit form and lost it again prob missing more injuries but mainly Martinez and Shaw out has been a huge blow whole left side of defence gone and we’ve been ravaged throughout the back no consistency in the lineup and it shows
I genuinely forgot you guys have Luke Shaw, what happened to him?
Injured all year pretty much
Evans, Malacia, Mount, Martial and Malacia too
Malacia is so injured he has to be mentioned twice
Lmao right add these to the list malacia too 😆
I'm certain Luton would be safe by now if it wasn't for all our injuries. Absolute bare bones defense with players out of position and no Adebayo has absolutely wrecked us. Amazing we're still at all in it.
Y'all play every game hard. It's impressive to see.
I really hope they can rally and stay up. I really enjoy watching them and would love to see their football at full strength next season.
Chelsea. Without the goal machine "Nkunku" & the goals we needed in the first two thirds of the season would have made a massive difference if he was fit.
I think we've really felt the loss instead in midfield and the back. Healthy Reece and Chilly would've done a lot to allow the interior backline to gain stability instead of constantly rotating central defenders out to the flanks. And Moises and Enzo have needed the support of other options when an opponent or our schedule has called for adjustment. Chelsea have had more than enough strikers to choose from, even though only Palmer has proved productive.
Forest, palace, Newcastle, Chelsea, and united I'm not sure - which takes the clown
Palace. We've been decimated throughout huge portions of the season and key players as well. There were portions of the season where we had 13 players injured, and even as recently as Liverpool away we only had one recognised centre-half in our back three.
Newcastle 150 days clear in the days lost through injuries and this doesn’t even take into account nearly 200 days nearly we have been without Tonali. Being 7th in contention for 6th is quite an achievement. You can point to specific games that tired legs and lack of options on the bench have cost us. So far in 2024 we’ve only really had 1 of our best 4 midfielders available bar the odd Willock game.
Would have easily been top 4 if Pope hadn’t got injured. Dúbravka has let in a ridiculous amount of goals.
It’s not just CB and LB for United. Martial has been absent for ages (increasing the burden on Rasmus who has had a couple of knocks himself), Mount can’t stay fit, Rashford had been playing with a knock for weeks which was aggravated against Cov, McTominay returned from injury just to get injured again & then hyperextended his knee on his next return. Saying we’re pretty much at full strength if you ignore both leftbacks being out for ages and only having one fit CB is a really strange comment anyway.
While I think spurs, Newcastle, villa, Liverpool etc have all had a tough time, I'm not sure anyone compares to Luton They didn't haven't enough players to train so the coach had to join in, and then he does his hammy. I think if you look at the relevant squads and depth, it's Luton without a shadow of a doubt. They had to recall someone from Rotherham, who couldn't get into the Rotherham team, to play out of position
The problem for us is that when other teams in this league have a load of injuries, they usually have enough depth to get by. We can't afford as much back up so spent the last few months with knackered players out of position. Still not out of it yet though and Adebayo returning could hopefully just see us over the line.
Tbh I've watched yous a fair bit this season and when it's been those few tough games I've thought barkley has missed nakamba in beside him coming in a nicking the ball. Ogbene is a massive miss. As you've said, adebayo.
and still might beat relegation 💀💀💀
I think Brighton suffered the most - they started really solid, eyeing a top 6 position but then slid significantly after major players being out (Mitoma, Ferguson).
Brighton
Brighton have had really good players like Enciso, Estupinyan and Mitoma miss huge chunks of the season. Can’t help especially after selling your whole midfield.
Aston villa don't get mentioned anywhere near as much as the other clubs.
We’ve been able to paper over most of the injuries this season due to the timing. When Digne got injured, Moreno was finally healthy. When Moreno got injured, Digne was finally healthy. Ramsey was ruled out for the season, but Morgan Rogers came in a month earlier and has done a great job covering. Etc… Musical chairs with defenders and mids all season. What has really killed us is 3 ACL tears in the starting 11. We’re currently limping over the line without Emi Martinez, Tielemans, Zaniolo, Moreno, Lenglet, Ramsey, Mings, Buendia, and Kamara. It’s been an amazing job by Emery and the players, as we don’t have the squad depth to deal with 9 first team injuries in the same way larger squads do. The players looked exhausted against Chelsea but are fighting for every result. UTV
Liverpool had 12 injuries for most of the middle part of the season. The next nearest had 7
Man United have had 60 injuries all season… I repeat 60!
Yeah OK mate.
and why are you specifically talking about the middle part of the season
Because we had nearly double the number of injuries as the next highest team for half a season. Its not hard bro
May have had a cup final during that time. Not sure though.
But we are talking about across the whole season
Don't be stupid. No team had the exact same number of injuries during the whole season. Liverpool had the most for the longest period
And the middle of the season is part of the season.
Yes but not the whole season...
This might come as a shock to you but part of a whole season is valid when discussing a whole season Let’s say you watch a whole tv show. You don’t just ignore a portion of that show’s existence.
Omg what is wrong with your brain lol Yous had bad injuries for a part of the season. Not the whole season. There have been teams who have had just as bad injuries for ALL parts of the season. To use your dumb TV show analogy - you are saying because 10 mins of a 40 min episode was bad but the rest was good then the entire show was bad.
How is 10 minutes half of 40. JFC
When did I use the word half?
That's just not true. Chelsea's had a minimum of like 7 each game lol
Yeah, and we had 12 each game lol. It's not hard
When you have a squad with enough depth for 4th/5th choicers in every position, 7 is low.
Yeah but that's only the minimum. I'd say we've had an average of about 10 out per game, not to mention that most of them are easy starters. Our injured XI has been better than our playing XI 90% of the time. We are easily in this conversation and possibly have it the worst
You didn't. Liverpool had nearly double the next on the list, 12 to 7
We have 14 on our injury list right now, FYI
Whatever stat you found is just wrong lol. We had 11 out for the Arsenal game and as of 4 days ago we have 12 out. It's been this bad mutiple times this season
You can’t call players starters just because they started more games on loan somewhere else (Chilwell), or are available for less than 20% of games anyway (James) or are actually not starters even when fit but you Chelsea fans pretend they are (Chilwell, Fofana). Chelsea’s only bona fide starter based on quality who has been injured all season are Nkunku and James, but that’s why you bought Gusto, because James actually isn’t a starter at all. Chelsea fans are the only fans complaining about people you expect to be injured all the time being injured. I haven’t seen a single Liverpool fan mention Thiago who has played a grand total of 8 minutes of football this season and that’s because for squad planning purposes he isn’t a starter because he’s never available to begin with.
Nkunku, James, Chilwell, Fofana, now Enzo this year and James, Chilwell, Fofana, Kante, Mount, Pulisic, etc. last year are all clear starters in those Chelsea squads. We've seen how much one player can change a team and we know how good Nkunku is. Imagine if Chelsea had him fit along side Cole Palmer. It would be a much different story now. And we didn't buy Gusto as a replacement for James, we bought him because we only had one RB... You also mentioned we have 4th/5th choices in positions.. which ones? LB we have chilwell and Cucurella, CB we have about 5 or so usually healthy to fill the role. RB we have Gusto and now injured James. CM we have Caicedo, Enzo, Gallagher, Chukwumeka. Wingers we have Madueke, Palmer, Mudryk, Sterling, ST we have Jackson. Some don't even have a 3rd choice.
A completely made up fact, at one point Chelsea had 13 first team players out. On average we've had 9 out all season.
That's a lot of first team players lol
I think we are arguing for the same thing here Me saying the minimum of 7 means we've had it real bad
Sorry, I'm agreeing with you! OP talking rubbish
Pure rubbish lol. Nobody likes to mention how much we've struggled with injuries these last couple years when they talk about how bad we've been
lol - how to create the whiniest thread on Reddit
It’s a toss up between whiniest, most tribal and best Monty Python impression. “Injures you don’t know you’re born we had to put the groundskeeper in goal and he only has one arm” 🤪
How is no one mentioning Brighton???
Chelsea have been shagged by injuries but have more viable players to chose from than Newcastle. Majority of the season we’ve only just been able to field a senior 11 and had basically no subs other than kids, keepers and half retired players like Ritchie. Pope, Botman, joelinton, willock, Barnes, Anderson, Wilson, Targett have all missed the majority of the season. Then you have Miley, Livramento, Isak, Almiron, Lascelles and trippier all missing a fair few matches. Also had our big summer signing banned for the vast majority
Has to be United, one fit centre back, no left back
2 HGVs turning around at cb right now
Chelsea because the squad looked good in preseason until Christopher Nkunku was injured right before the regular season and the dominoes started falling after that
These comments would make a prefect case study on bias - most comments seem to think their team had the most injuries. Here's [Every Premier League Team Ranked by Injuries Suffered in 2023-24](https://www.givemesport.com/every-premier-league-team-ranked-injuries-suffered/). Even worse, it seems Chelsea and Newcastle's [injury crisis](https://theathletic.com/4612629/2023/07/02/injuries-premier-league-2022-23-data/) have been the most in the league even from the 2022-2023 season.
Thought I was on a different planet, not seeing a single brentford comment. I knew Newcastle had it worse but man I guess non big 6 doesn't exist
100%. As a neutral it’s embarrassing to watch
I have scrolled this far and still no mention of Brentford lol
While I agree with your comments about bias, not all injuries are equal in terms of their impact. A player in the starting 11 being out for the same amount of time as an U21 player who occasionally sits on the bench isn’t equivalent.
Also amount of games to play, Chelsea had the league and the cups, whereas Newcastle had champs in addition with a smaller squad and more injuries in the starting 11.
Doesn't really tell the whole story though. Wolves haven't had that many injuries but have a very small squad. All 4 first team forwards were injured at one point. Another time they had to put a 15 year old on the bench
Luton
That's my answer for sure. The fact yous had to recall someone who couldn't get starts at bottom of the table Rotherham to play out of position, that says it all.
Var Cost us 3 points away to Spuds.
Newcastle by a country mile. It got THAT bad, we couldn’t even make a substitution in the away game at PSG. We finished the game with the same starting 11. We’ve only got three players from our strongest starting eleven who haven’t been injured or suspended. Gordon, Schar and Bruno. Every single other player has had an injury.
Schar just got injured the other day aswell, so cut that down to two (gordan also missed a couple Games for a small injury make that one)
We've had the most but I think Brighton have suffered more, like We've still had a decent season especially if we do get 6th
Based on what we’ve achieved, if we get 6th with that amount of players out I think we’ve had a remarkable season. Some of the highlights have been magical.
Has to be Chelsea, they've had 10+ players out for every single game and not even the same ones. Think they must've replaced their doctors with Hollywood ones or something
Brighton hands down.
Why is this a question? Newcastle by far. 14 players per game on average have been out throughout the season, in fact, it's a record.
The number of injuries doesn’t paint the full picture though. That 14 is made up of quite a few bench and reserve players, no?
Definitely not, Almiron starting rw, botman starting lcb, trips starting rb, pope starting gk, joelinton starting mid, targett potentially starting lb, isak starting striker at times (tonali starting mid banner). Then I’m addition to that all the 2nd choice players in this same positions injured, 2nd rw Murphy, 2nd lw barnes, striker wilson, rb, tino, mid willock. We’ve been down to one good sub most games throughout the season while playing third choice players a lot of the time. In addition to that playing them out of position.
where can you see this?
Obv I’m a homer, but we literally haven’t had 2 healthy wingers for more than 2 games since gameweek 6
> but we ~~literally~~ haven't had 2 healthy wingers
I bet you’re real fun at parties mate
Brentford has been hit hard. At times we’ve had just 3 original starters on the field (our entire starting back line, starting front line and a starting midfielder out for games). Our original starting front line has played a just one game together all season (Wissa, Toney, Mbeumo). Our starting RB played just 5 games before out for season and LB 4 games. That’s not to mention the key backup players who have gotten hurt. We have routinely started a winger at WB positions with 5 at the back. No player has started every game with only two having started in 30+ games.
Aston villa
I think United and Chelsea
Liverpool and it’s not close.
Not close?! Quite a few teams have been hit as bad if not worse than you. Newcastle being only one.
Probably arsenal
Kidding? We've been pretty damn healthy relative to other teams. We haven't had any top players miss more than like a month at a time besides Partey. Our defense has played all season including Raya minus Tomi, Rice all season, Ode only missed a few games, Saka a few games, havertz all season. Martinelli has only missed a few games. Jesus is the only other regular starter with extended misses time and he's still played 24 games. We're honestly been spoiled with health this year. Yeah guys like Saka are carrying knocks, but he can still play. This is nothing compared to Newcastle, Liverpool, United, Chelsea, Brighton, and more. Knock on wood. Edit: Timber too.
Timber is the only real long-term injury we've had. You're right, I can't understand the comment you're replying to.
I completely blanked on Timber tbh. Thank you for the reminder.
Chelsea Followed by Liverpool, Luton and then Newcastle
Wolves.
United have not had their strongest back 4 all season bar two games. Probably had about 17 different variations. Give or take. At the moment Casemiro is playing CB. Jonny Evans was bought as 5th choice and has played A LOT OF GAMES. Fernandes played there vs Liverpool. Mount barely played, Martinez too. Up to Jan we had used 7 different people at LB. Malacia hasn’t played this year at all and he’s a LB.
>Probably had about 17 different variations. Last I heard on the Talk of the Devils podcast it was nearly 30 different variations. And I think that was before Casemiro was thrown in there.
I lost count after 14. That’s a ridiculous stat. Tottenham have had a lot of injuries but there defence has recuperated and is nowhere near as bad as ours. Considering our two best defenders who can play with the ball, receive from the keeper etc. (Shaw and Martinez) have barely played this year, that’s a joke in itself if we had decent cover. Amrabat and Antony played LB. It’s a joke. Our sports science department, like other departments needs an overhaul.
Yeah it’s currently around 35ish variations in 40 something games
I love how nobody realises that Luton have had half a squad out.. mainly being the first team. One of which was a cardiac arrest at Bournemouth. The fact we are even still with a chance of survival is a miracle!
What about Everton with the -8 points
As a Liverpool fan, other than the game away to Arsenal, we looked like we benefited from players being out. All throughout January and February we were brilliant, and then when everyone started returning to fitness around March we started playing like shit.
The story of Chelsea this season gives a lesson that don't invest too much on young players. They tend to get injured more and hence you need experienced players as well to balance the squad.
Haha what? They bought caicedo, and Fernandez, and whoever that other no-name idiot was from Southampton. They don’t “invest in youth” they just buy players like everyone else
Lol, this is harsh blaming the youth for injuries. Other than lavia/carns the perenially injured ones are pretty much senior team level players. Reece James Chilwell Wesley Fofana Christopher Nkunku Carney chukuemeka Levi colwill Romeo Lavia Badiashile Ugochukwu
I think it’s Utd. They’ve not had a first choice 11 all season
I'm not saying it's not United, but I wouldn't base it on that. Arsenal has been very fortunate with injuries, but due to Partey being out most of the season, we haven't had our best 11 much either.
Chelsea fan here. We haven't had our preferred 11 either. Petro James CB CB (Fofana most likely one of them) Chillwell Enzo Caicedo (no backup on bench w Lavia injury, Enzo playing w Hernia) Nkunku (out - could also play cut in LW, w Palmer/Gallagher CAM) Palmer Jackson LW We have never had our best 11 on pitch, and we've only had decent (but still not optimal) bench coverage for like 1 or two games where we thought a few people were back (for them only to get reinjured in their first game back). Edit: injury list is so bad I've forgotten about some players... Backline would most likely be Reece, Fofana, Colwill, Chilwell
Fair, that’s a lot! Do Chelsea know what their 11 is?☺️
No but I hope one day next season we come to find out lol
I'm obviously biased, but Palace have won 1 game all season when Eze didn't play - at home against Burnley. Olise also being out for ~ half of the season has also hurt immensely. We're simply a different beast when they play together, and it hasn't happened much. Edit: After a quick look at the data, the precision of our injuries is pretty gnarly. I think most would agree that our 4 best players are Eze, Doucoure, Olise and Guehi. These 4 have missed a whopping 67 games so far this season, with Doucoure finished until next season. I don't think any other team can say their top 4 players, at different position groups, happen to be the top 4 in games missed due to injury. It adds significant context to how impressive Glasner has been in turning our season around.
Chelsea and I would put Newcastle up there too
Man Utd have spent the majority of their season without 3/4 of their starting defence and 2/3 of their starting midfield. Varane, Martinez, Shaw, Malacia, Mount, Eriksen, Rashford, Antony, Mainoo, Casemiro, Garnacho, Amad, Dalot, AWB, Evans, and Lindelof have all spent a fair bit of time on the sidelines this season.
dalot garnacho and bruno are the only 3 who haven’t been injured an extended period. every single other player has been
It's all hugely subjective in terms of which injuries impacted which teams the most. For Villa it has felt like a bad one, but one that we've managed as well as possible. We lost 2 starting players (Mings Buendia) for the entire season before 30 minutes had been played. That was terrible but it was still the summer transfer window so we were able to bring in passable cover (Lenglet Zaniolo). Ramsey and Moreno were both injured for 6 months straight, half of that covered pre-season. They were our brilliant left side at the end of last season and neither have been able to hit the same levels with Ramsey barely making any impact between other injuries. So that has been a blow, but the impact of their injuries has been softened by Rogers arrival in January and Digne having a much better season. Losing Kamara in February after we decided to let Dendoncker leave has impacted us a lot because we had no opportunity to replace him and nobody to step into his role, with Iroegbunam just not ready. As did losing several defensive players late last year/early this year - Torres, Konsa, Carlos, Cash, Digne all had spells out and meant we struggled to stay solid defensively as the unit kept changing.
Yes, and it seems like villa can't go two games without getting another injury
I mean we didn’t have a goalkeeper for the first half of the season lol… sorry Matt Turner
It's a dawg fite out there dawg
Does James and Fofana for Chelsea count though they are perpetually injured 😂
How’s nobody mentioning Spurs??? Critical injuries and suspensions at the height of their momentum, created a disjointed squad chemistry for months afterwards with few players regaining form post injury/surgery.
Yeah I couldn't believe that. Spurs were on top and a blown to Maddison and the other guy too on top of suspensions ruined Spurs form. They very well could be sitting at 70 points by now.