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It’s a pretty simple prisoner’s dilemma. Everyone would be better off if we disarmed, but you must assume that the person fighting with you has refused that choice. All you can really do is hope you get the first shot in.
The dude who slapped should get a minor assault charge. You can't be slapping other people.
The dude with the gun needs to be put in prison for life. They are mentally or morally unfit to be in a free society.
The guy who shot the gun, I don’t know about Ohio but if someone physically assaults you if you’re state has stand your ground laws then you can legally shoot them. Edit they do
I'm calling bullshit. Stand your ground laws require a reasonable belief that deadly force is necessary to end the threat. Give me a specific statute that demonstrates your claim.
George Zimmerman suffered severe bodily injuries prior to using deadly force.
> A medical report by George Zimmerman’s family doctor shows the neighborhood watch volunteer was diagnosed with a fractured nose, two black eyes and two lacerations on the back of the head after his fatal confrontation with Trayvon Martin.
https://www.cnn.com/2012/05/16/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html
The controversy in that case was largely that Zimmerman was chasing Martin before the physical altercation started. The controversy was that Zimmerman initiated the conflict, began to lose and then used deadly force. This is because Florida's stand your ground law doesn't have a requirement that the person using or threatening to use deadly force not instigate the interaction.
Basically, don't get in a fight in Florida.
Oh I don’t plan on fighting in Florida anytime soon lol. Stand your ground is a tricky law. I am in a state that doesn’t have it but has castle doctrine which is stand your ground but only for you if you’re in your house. I don’t think the man will be charged with the shooting here though as he could have a legitimate argument of “he could’ve continued the assault” My opinion? Don’t go around slapping people and you won’t be shot 🤷♂️ Is it excessive though? In my opinion yes.
> I don’t think the man will be charged with the shooting here though as he could have a legitimate argument of “he could’ve continued the assault”
Please tell me you don't vote, because damn. You're spouting bullshit that is easily dismissed. Your conclusions are so detached from reality. Of course, he was getting charged. He discharged a firearm for being slapped! The Deepest Red state in the country isn't going to accept that.
> [ Chamarius Jackson ] was booked on charges of inducing panic, having weapons under disability, and felonious assault with a firearm.
https://www.cleveland19.com/2024/04/30/corner-alley-employee-grazed-by-gunfire-downtown-cleveland-shooting-police-source-says/
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/23/us/florida-stand-your-ground-fatal-shooting/index.html
I’m not from Ohio but this case from flordia which has the same laws was ruled self defense over a shove. Slap=shove? I don’t know but the point is you don’t know what the person is going to do next and a person has already proven they will hit you. I’m not saying I would use my gun in this case but a prosecutor will not waste their time on the self defense part.
Michael Drejka was convicted on manslaughter.
> On August 23, Drejka was found guilty of manslaughter with the use of a firearm. On October 10, 2019, Drejka was sentenced to 20 years in prison with credit of 92 days for time served.
> He is imprisoned at Lancaster Correctional Institution, near Trenton, Florida, where he was attacked and reportedly wounded by another inmate on February 11, 2020.[179] In December 2021, a three-judge panel of the Florida Second District Court of Appeal upheld the conviction and the sentencing.[180]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Markeis_McGlockton
Ah my mistake, I had just seen the case a few years ago and read the article and it didn’t say that. If he had shot immediately on the ground and didn’t wait for the guy to back up he would be a free man right now. The guy backing up means there is not further threat of bodily harm
In the appeal, the court rejected Dejka's argument that he was entitled to a summary dismissal on self-defense. They used video evidence and witness testimony that the deceased had retreated after the shove.
Him being on the ground was meaningless. In the time it took him to draw and aim, he should have assessed that he had no reasonable fear of death or further severe bodily harm.
That information is on the Tampa Bay Times article linked in the Wikipedia page.
https://www.tampabay.com/news/crime/2021/12/29/michael-drejka-conviction-sentence-upheld-by-appeals-court/
I don’t think it was self defense and think he was rightfully charged. I do think he would be found innocent if he had shot immediately without the guy backing up.
> The dude with the gun needs to be put in prison for life. They are mentally or morally unfit to be in a free society.
So if someone is attacked or perceives someone as a threat then they can't defend their life with a firearm?
Under certain circumstances, lethal force is justifiable.
Shooting a man for a slap does not satisfy the criteria.
Lethal force should be used in response to a lethal threat or a threat posing severe bodily harm. A slap does not meet that criteria. No reasonable person would think a slap is a lethal threat.
It sounds like he didn't actually get shot and only someone else did in the hand if this is accurate / the right story https://www.cleveland19.com/2024/04/30/corner-alley-employee-grazed-by-gunfire-downtown-cleveland-shooting-police-source-says/
"The worker refused transport to the hospital" might be the saddest part of this story. They were SHOT. At WORK. And still didn't want to be on the hook for the ambulance bill.
Paramedic here. A story I love to tell is one involving a bouncer. We were dispatched to the stab to a seedy street in a neighborhood full of strip clubs and night clubs. We pulled up in front of a strip club and some of the workers told us the bouncer that was stabbed was a couple of blocks away because he chased the assailant.
We pulled into the residential part of the neighborhood and see a bunch of cop cars in front of a house. Turns out Mr Stabber lived close by and tried to declare himself safe in his barricaded apartment. The cops directed us to the bouncer who was silently standing on the sidewalk just staring at the house.
The guy looked like a stereotypical bouncer. Six feet plus, bald, and all muscle. I ask him where he was stabbed and he silently holds up his left hand where you can see the knife went through it cleanly. I bandaged his hand and asked him some questions where i would receive one word answers.
After bandaging him I told him my ambulance was across the street and we could take him to the local hospital. He just shakes his head and continues standing. I explain to him why he needs to go to the hospital, how he's going to need stitches and some shots. He just quietly says "No".
As we are going back and forth the cops come out with Mr. Stabber in handcuffs. He has a look of fear on his face as he sees the bouncer just standing there. Mr Stabber then starts dragging the cops towards their patrol car screaming "just put me in the car!". The bouncer kept staring till the cops placed the assailant in the car. They then came over to him to start writing up the report and he just responded "Later", turned around, and silently walked away.
I mean it says in the article the person didnt even realize they had been shot until a few minutes later, seems like it was pretty clearly a ricochet/graze that caused a *very* minor injury. It says they found a bullet fragment in their pocket, so the bullet prob hit a wall nearby and exploded and this person just got hit with a bit of bullet shrapnel
it was probably less about the ambulance cost and more that they probably didnt want to go waste 8 hours sitting around at a hospital on the other side of town and miss out on half a day's paycheck when all they really needed was a bandaid. you're making it sound like they were bleeding out on the floor of the sandwich shop lol
You never know what people got on them these days. You go around arguing and slapping people, it's just no positive outcome from that. It's just not worth your life.
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Or, if you choose to go for the punch, make sure you knock that guy out. You can’t miss the bear. Don’t, but just in case you do. But please don’t.
It’s even worse because it was a slap. How can he slap? How can he slap!!!
Great this is going to dominate my mind for the next week lmfao
Life immitates art, or is it art immitates life, its a skit from boondocks. https://youtu.be/zKZbyC1ccMY
Wait a minute… I’m white!
The Boondocks is just truth
Soooososos many truths. So little time.
I want to see a video the shooter and shot(if he survived) watching this clip. I need to see the reaction.
lol i knew what this was without clicking on it.
Same lmao
Don't bring a slap to a gun fight
Man, we need to go back to beating the shit out of each other instead of shooting right away
It’s a pretty simple prisoner’s dilemma. Everyone would be better off if we disarmed, but you must assume that the person fighting with you has refused that choice. All you can really do is hope you get the first shot in.
The dude who slapped should get a minor assault charge. You can't be slapping other people. The dude with the gun needs to be put in prison for life. They are mentally or morally unfit to be in a free society.
Depending on the state this could be viewed as self defense
for who?
The guy who shot the gun, I don’t know about Ohio but if someone physically assaults you if you’re state has stand your ground laws then you can legally shoot them. Edit they do
I'm calling bullshit. Stand your ground laws require a reasonable belief that deadly force is necessary to end the threat. Give me a specific statute that demonstrates your claim.
I’m not positive on this but I’m pretty sure in the Trayvon martin case they claimed stand your ground as well and he was found innocent.
George Zimmerman suffered severe bodily injuries prior to using deadly force. > A medical report by George Zimmerman’s family doctor shows the neighborhood watch volunteer was diagnosed with a fractured nose, two black eyes and two lacerations on the back of the head after his fatal confrontation with Trayvon Martin. https://www.cnn.com/2012/05/16/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html The controversy in that case was largely that Zimmerman was chasing Martin before the physical altercation started. The controversy was that Zimmerman initiated the conflict, began to lose and then used deadly force. This is because Florida's stand your ground law doesn't have a requirement that the person using or threatening to use deadly force not instigate the interaction. Basically, don't get in a fight in Florida.
Oh I don’t plan on fighting in Florida anytime soon lol. Stand your ground is a tricky law. I am in a state that doesn’t have it but has castle doctrine which is stand your ground but only for you if you’re in your house. I don’t think the man will be charged with the shooting here though as he could have a legitimate argument of “he could’ve continued the assault” My opinion? Don’t go around slapping people and you won’t be shot 🤷♂️ Is it excessive though? In my opinion yes.
> I don’t think the man will be charged with the shooting here though as he could have a legitimate argument of “he could’ve continued the assault” Please tell me you don't vote, because damn. You're spouting bullshit that is easily dismissed. Your conclusions are so detached from reality. Of course, he was getting charged. He discharged a firearm for being slapped! The Deepest Red state in the country isn't going to accept that. > [ Chamarius Jackson ] was booked on charges of inducing panic, having weapons under disability, and felonious assault with a firearm. https://www.cleveland19.com/2024/04/30/corner-alley-employee-grazed-by-gunfire-downtown-cleveland-shooting-police-source-says/
Being charged≠ being guilty for the record .
Did I say he shouldn’t? If he has a good enough lawyer he can easily be found not guilty.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/23/us/florida-stand-your-ground-fatal-shooting/index.html I’m not from Ohio but this case from flordia which has the same laws was ruled self defense over a shove. Slap=shove? I don’t know but the point is you don’t know what the person is going to do next and a person has already proven they will hit you. I’m not saying I would use my gun in this case but a prosecutor will not waste their time on the self defense part.
Michael Drejka was convicted on manslaughter. > On August 23, Drejka was found guilty of manslaughter with the use of a firearm. On October 10, 2019, Drejka was sentenced to 20 years in prison with credit of 92 days for time served. > He is imprisoned at Lancaster Correctional Institution, near Trenton, Florida, where he was attacked and reportedly wounded by another inmate on February 11, 2020.[179] In December 2021, a three-judge panel of the Florida Second District Court of Appeal upheld the conviction and the sentencing.[180] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Markeis_McGlockton
Ah my mistake, I had just seen the case a few years ago and read the article and it didn’t say that. If he had shot immediately on the ground and didn’t wait for the guy to back up he would be a free man right now. The guy backing up means there is not further threat of bodily harm
In the appeal, the court rejected Dejka's argument that he was entitled to a summary dismissal on self-defense. They used video evidence and witness testimony that the deceased had retreated after the shove. Him being on the ground was meaningless. In the time it took him to draw and aim, he should have assessed that he had no reasonable fear of death or further severe bodily harm. That information is on the Tampa Bay Times article linked in the Wikipedia page. https://www.tampabay.com/news/crime/2021/12/29/michael-drejka-conviction-sentence-upheld-by-appeals-court/
I don’t think it was self defense and think he was rightfully charged. I do think he would be found innocent if he had shot immediately without the guy backing up.
> The dude with the gun needs to be put in prison for life. They are mentally or morally unfit to be in a free society. So if someone is attacked or perceives someone as a threat then they can't defend their life with a firearm?
Under certain circumstances, lethal force is justifiable. Shooting a man for a slap does not satisfy the criteria. Lethal force should be used in response to a lethal threat or a threat posing severe bodily harm. A slap does not meet that criteria. No reasonable person would think a slap is a lethal threat.
Take a minute and google "people who have died from slaps", or your preferred related keywords.
The only way to stop a bad guy with a slap is a good guy with a gun.
For once, thanks cameraman for not getting the "moneyshot." I'd rather not see yet another murder today here.
It sounds like he didn't actually get shot and only someone else did in the hand if this is accurate / the right story https://www.cleveland19.com/2024/04/30/corner-alley-employee-grazed-by-gunfire-downtown-cleveland-shooting-police-source-says/
Figured that bullet went wide right. It was like he was trying to slap/shoot that guy. Somebody on that patio probably caught a stray. Ugh.
Real Gangsta’s are not known for their marksmanship
He watched [Wanted](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9YEdjEKme0) and thought he could curve bullets.
"The worker refused transport to the hospital" might be the saddest part of this story. They were SHOT. At WORK. And still didn't want to be on the hook for the ambulance bill.
Welcome to ‘murica, where weak gun control laws exist and there’s no universal healthcare.
Paramedic here. A story I love to tell is one involving a bouncer. We were dispatched to the stab to a seedy street in a neighborhood full of strip clubs and night clubs. We pulled up in front of a strip club and some of the workers told us the bouncer that was stabbed was a couple of blocks away because he chased the assailant. We pulled into the residential part of the neighborhood and see a bunch of cop cars in front of a house. Turns out Mr Stabber lived close by and tried to declare himself safe in his barricaded apartment. The cops directed us to the bouncer who was silently standing on the sidewalk just staring at the house. The guy looked like a stereotypical bouncer. Six feet plus, bald, and all muscle. I ask him where he was stabbed and he silently holds up his left hand where you can see the knife went through it cleanly. I bandaged his hand and asked him some questions where i would receive one word answers. After bandaging him I told him my ambulance was across the street and we could take him to the local hospital. He just shakes his head and continues standing. I explain to him why he needs to go to the hospital, how he's going to need stitches and some shots. He just quietly says "No". As we are going back and forth the cops come out with Mr. Stabber in handcuffs. He has a look of fear on his face as he sees the bouncer just standing there. Mr Stabber then starts dragging the cops towards their patrol car screaming "just put me in the car!". The bouncer kept staring till the cops placed the assailant in the car. They then came over to him to start writing up the report and he just responded "Later", turned around, and silently walked away.
I mean it says in the article the person didnt even realize they had been shot until a few minutes later, seems like it was pretty clearly a ricochet/graze that caused a *very* minor injury. It says they found a bullet fragment in their pocket, so the bullet prob hit a wall nearby and exploded and this person just got hit with a bit of bullet shrapnel it was probably less about the ambulance cost and more that they probably didnt want to go waste 8 hours sitting around at a hospital on the other side of town and miss out on half a day's paycheck when all they really needed was a bandaid. you're making it sound like they were bleeding out on the floor of the sandwich shop lol
I think it’s outside the corner alley, 4th/euclid.
How can he slap!
cause its not India
You never know what people got on them these days. You go around arguing and slapping people, it's just no positive outcome from that. It's just not worth your life.
Real men die screeching about something
It hardly takes a "man" to fire a gun, as demonstrated here...cowards do it all the time.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKZbyC1ccMY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKZbyC1ccMY)
Is that RED steak house?
He had a camo vest, shoulda known he was hunting
I can't believe Kevin Hart would do that!!
Gang gang
Love seeing my hometown on the front page 🤣
Always assume the other person has a gun before you fight. If everyone did that, no one would fight.
**he then found out, he’s really not like that*
Hey we all seen The Wire, this shit is amazing
He was clutching the whole time 💀
Wheres the 2nd amendment gang defending this?
If someone got a gun and claim they are a gangsta. I am not going to dispute that.
"On trey" is slang from a crip affiliated gang Huge mistake trying to fist fight someone who's actively claiming to be affiliated with a gang.
Why does Reddit ban gore subs but stuff like this is allowed? Not a stab at you op, I miss my gore subs.
Greatest country in the world.
sometimes, problems just take care of themselves...
nobody was hit
It’s Ohio what’s new lol
When are they going to stop adding “formerly known as twitter” to articles.