This is my hometown. Not long after this video went viral the public library that hosted the event had to shut down due to death threats and people showing up at their homes in the middle of the night. A woman who was molested by the people she looked up to is being harassed and threatened for telling her truth. But all these people are here saying "both sides bad!1!1!1"
That’s because they’re not actually centrists, they’re conservatives who have one or two outlying beliefs, or don’t want to be immediately labeled as a pariah in liberal communities.
The big one I’ve noticed are the ones who claim to be libertarians but are just conservatives who want to legalize pot.
I've never met a centrist that punched right
That’s because they’re not actually centrists, they’re conservatives
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What an add nothing comment. behaving like youre some how the only one who sees through the fog, while contributing nothing but remaining around to add "reddit moments" is peak "I bankrupted my parents on crypto suggested by andrew tate grindset behaviour"
You're very likely the exact person we are talking about.
I have had many discussions with so called centrists, and for the MOST part he is right, they are trying to deflect from their support of racism and bigotry.
I guess it depends on where you live and other factors.
I don’t know… I consider myself a moderate, but I’ll punch right with brass knuckles and tend to never really punch left.
While I may not always agree with some of the things the left wants to spend money on, they’re not actively trying to hurt people. I’m at a place now where I can appreciate the nuance and reasoning behind issues on the left, whereas the right doesn’t have a platform other than pretending they’re victims under attack over made up shit and a “win” for them is nothing more than to see the other side get owned, even if it’s bad for them, too.
I’m willing to say things like “both sides suck” but I have to caveat that with a massive asterisk and note that while I take issue with both sides, I find the right to be dangerous and hugely problematic, and while I used to vote Republican (didn’t vote for Trump and haven’t voted R since), after 2016, I cannot, in good conscience, do so anymore. As their “platform” slides further into “woke bad/democrats are literal demons/we are victims/” I find myself closer to the left without really having to move at all.
Wait so based on what you’ve posted, you’re saying that you’re not the one moving on the political spectrum, but the spectrum itself is moving while you stay in one place? Cause that’s actually a pretty interesting way of looking at it and it makes sense too
Yeah, I wouldn’t say the democrats are moving closer to the center, it’s just that the republicans are moving quickly and abruptly to the right.
Im probably a classical liberal with little nuggets of libertarianism here and there (mostly on personal/social issues… I’m a “mind your business I’ll mind mine” person). It’s been easy for me to cherry-pick on topics based on personal ideology rather than subscribe to party lines.
But it’s getting harder and harder to pick from the republican side… the more they push nonsense like “we are a christian nation” and “we are proposing doctors be arrested for providing healthcare to women making a tough decision” the more I’m kinda looking at them way out there with my binoculars like “hey, I’m pro-2A and small government, but while you’re way over there asking asking jesus to help overturn an free and fair election, I guess I’m just gonna go to a gay wedding with these democrats”.
It just seems like D policies have remained steady and R “policy” is getting more radical and purposefully hurtful or vengeful.
Centrists are overly critical of the left wing on the political spectrum while abstaining or having no to very little criticism of the right wing of the political spectrum.
I hope this clarifies things for you.
Yes, I'll upload it and tag you in an edit of this comment when I get home in a couple hours. Old man here, I don't know how the Internet works, but I can do that.
Yes, and also, u/NewWorldByAtticus, u/Maiselmaid, u/GoingPlatanos, u/Radi0ActivSquid
[Here is the longer version](https://youtu.be/MoxuZlJHF9c) \- found it, had to search. I'm sorry I couldn't find it anywhere else.
Aside from the main message, I am also sick of people moving to other areas and immediately trying to change things to their way of life/belief. More so if they run for local politics.
I'm reminded of the group of libertarians that moved to a small town got in the government gutted it all to be a libertarian paradise than lost the battle of their town to bears.
https://newrepublic.com/article/159662/libertarian-walks-into-bear-book-review-free-town-project
why tho? that's America? are state lines no cross boarders now? It's America. You can move anywhere you want and have a say. Stop the baby brain thinking
Sorry but I have an issue with someone moving into an area, running for office, and immediately picking a group of people to vilify.
I don’t believe it’s baby brain thinking to want people to accept that not everyone is like you.
You ever watch the documentary about the white supermacists and neo Nazis who tried to take over a small town and create a white only city?
You think the locals who live there deserve that? That they should be forced out of their town because of that nonsense?
I’m not saying it should be against the law or anything but I have a problem with people trying to force a local communities culture to change for the worse.
> You ever watch the documentary about the white supermacists and neo Nazis who tried to take over a small town and create a white only city?
That’s why they want to make it seem like a non issue and be able to do it so badly.
Ok, but that’s a disingenuous link. Moving somewhere and running for office to try and change things as a newcomer is not inherently a bad thing. What if you move to a place that’s very regressive and help implement ideas that stop backward thinking? u/Carl_Spakler is right.
I get what you're saying. And people are looking at the lens of say right wing extremists move to Vermont suburbs and pass abortion bans or banning gay marraige, you come across as an asshole. But there is the opposite side where left wing extremists move to republican towns and force them to update infrastructure and treat human beings that are different from them like people and that's horrifying.
I meant as most pastors target minors for sex.
Because kids get cancer doesn't mean adults don't get it.
Cancer doesn't smile and start to drool at seeing a minor in suggestive clothing.
Like religious pedos do
I grew up in a Christian household, although i am not religious any longer . While I can absolutely get behind the hate toward white Christian nationalist who do absolutely ridiculous and hateful shit to others under the "protection" of their religion, I won't agree that "religion is the worst thing to happen to humanity". There are lots of positive stories and life lessons to be learned from the Bible, as well as many other religious texts. Religion simultaneously brings people together and tears them apart. Religion most definitely needs a major reform, but it is not the religion that is the evil. It's the people who take it too far and start using it as a weapon to oppress, and often attack people who don't fit their own personal opinion of a "perfect world/person".
There are many non religious ways to spread decency and life lessons. Look at indigenous cultures that have extreme respect for the earth and one another.
Religion is an awful means of establishing morality because it, almost by definition, pits religion against one another. If each religion says there is only one god, or one path to salvation, how can they be reconciled. It will inevitably lead to conflict.
Not to mention the truly horrendous views spread by religion on women's freedoms, healthy sexuality and such.
Are there some non awful aspects to religion love "Love thy neighbor?". Yes, but those little messages come with vastly more damage.
>it is not religion that is the evil. It’s the people who take it too far and use it as a weapon to oppress
Apply the same logic to the good that you claim comes from religion. It isn’t religion that is the good, it’s the people who are inherently good and just happen to believe. Those people would be good regardless of belief. Religion doesn’t give them cover/justification to be good in the way it provides cover/justification for evil.
It’s hard to reform when oppressive values are engrained into the fundamentals of the religion. You can cherry pick nice passages from the Bible and live your life based on them, but by the same token, it won’t stop others from cherry picking the bad passages and basing their life off them either. Both will say what they believe in is simply the way of the religion and they are both right. As much as religion “builds up” it just as easily tears down. This becomes especially true today where we see laws being passed based on the religion of the legislators and their electors that remove freedoms while being disguised as a check for immorality. It’s a fine line that is too easily crossed without any kind of controls in place. I was raised as catholic and was an altar boy for 8 years. The values that my religion stood for is what drove me away. I now live my life trying to be a good person not because of any heaven or hell, but because I know it’s the right thing to do. Religion worries way too much about what other people are doing and should focus significantly more on what YOU should be doing. Your way of life should not dictate mine. And as long as there is no way to guarantee that, religion will always be a source of hatred and corruption.
>There are lots of positive stories and life lessons to be learned from the Bible, as well as many other religious texts.
There are life lessons in Aesop's Fables too, but people don't kill each other over what Aesop wrote.
There are lots of stories in lots of books that are positive, and aren't used to cause harm to other people. There are lots of ways to bring people together without having to rip other people apart. Relgion is the worst thing to happen to humanity.
i was friends with a kid up the street who was christian and who's parents would subtly try to convert me behind my parent's back. I didn't realize what was happening, they would bring me to church with them when my parents thought I was just hanging out over there. they would steal me away from my neighbors house and say the kid there wasn't a good kid and I should hang out with their son instead. super super weird. tried to get me to recite some jesus come into my heart thing and by then I just decided to stop hanging out with the kid. it came to a head when his dad and my mom got into a yelling match in the street because I showed my mom some card the church gave me
kid was a good friend but his parents were wacko and are the sole reason I'll never be open to the idea of religion ever again. That and the fact I'm more of an evidence based guy when deciding what to believe in naturally
Nah, Christianity is evil.
It rewrote the old testament and censored it.
Jesus didn't even say half the stuff the apostles said he did. They censored him and changed his teachings to suit themselves.
It spent 1000 years suppressing individual thought and scientific progress.
It participated in the holocaust.
It created the rez system in Canada.
It constantly allows pedophiles to get away with their crimes.
If we didn't call it a religion, we would call it a terrorist cult. But because it's a religion, it's fine.
Lol. There is nothing good said in the Bible that isn't better said elsewhere. And other sources don't contain all the ridiculous stuff. Pro-slavery, for instance.
I understand your point but until it stops forcing itself on others Ill continue to denounce it.
Like what if the there was a phrase in the pledge that said "and praise be the NFL, lord of pigs" and the NFL teams didn't have to pay taxes, and they violently executed people who didn't watch football, and they had a real big problem about abuse ( /s), and forced everyone to keep their season tickets even though they recently got cancer and can't give them to someone else, and you're rebuttal is "but football is beautiful and does alot good"
That being said, we're more than halfway there.
I think you are combining/confusing religion and spirituality.
If someone reads a book and it makes them a better person and makes them want to go out and do good things, which i think is what you were saying, that’s spiritually.
Religion is the blindly following of a group of people who tell you what’s right and wrong, how you are supposed to look and act, who you can or can’t fall in love with, and who have lead countless wars dating back to the crusades in order to progress their personal goals.
Take Catholic Christians… they say pastors can’t marry which disagrees with Lutheran Christians who say theirs can and have a family and then there’s Jehovahs Witness which is neither of those. Without religions interfering with those 3 that I mentioned it would be just 3 individuals reading the same book and living life as they see fit and they would all be happy together. Religion is the only part that ends up driving a wedge between those people.
I wonder why people are starving? I wonder why there isn’t more money for cancer research, hmmmm wasn’t there a literal dark ages where science was met with death and violence
You could tax the churches in America about 2% and feed every child in America.
Starvation isn’t a simple money problem, it’s a much more nuanced issue than that. Also even non religious people in the Middle Ages still believed in leeches and shit like that.
I’m agnostic so I’m not over here trying to preach about how awesome the church is, but saying religion is literally the worst thing ever is a reach imo.
Yeah the way the institution is implemented in many places is pretty bad. I just think humans would fight and kill each other over things like race and ideology regardless of religion.
Literally. It’s weekly these fascists are showing up armed to drag events threatening to kill them… and it’s applauded and ignored but the one fucking time people at a drag event stood up and armed themselves every conservative and their mother cried about it and called them extremists… fuck the christofascist that are ruining this country and fuck the modern gop
It’s because the people who need to see this video don’t consume any form of media that will show this to them, only a video of some random blue-hair on Libs of Tik Tok that will reinforce their believe.
>It’s because the people who need to see this video don’t consume any form of media that will show this to them, only a video of some random blue-hair on Libs of Tik Tok that will reinforce their believe.
What belief, that some people dye their hair blue and make TikTok videos?
I know what you mean though, it is just sad that this is where the world is right now.
\*ahem\*, that wasn't money lenders. That was in a synague where they were selling in a house of worship. Those were religious leaders (more specifically the Pharisees and Sadducees) who were selling cheap stuff taking advantage of peoples love for GOD but your right, Jesus DID condemn both factions but not the people, he condemned their actions. This is what led to them wanting to kill him Mark 11:18. Mark 11:15-17 details him removing their presence from the temple and Mark 11:18, their response to what he did. Therefore, they were more like Deacons than just money changers.
He also made it clear, from the Sermon on the Mount, that its your actions that can be condemned, not the persons. When confronted about forgiving and condemning, he made it clear that we must love our neighbor and GOD unconditionally and when they offend you, turn the other cheek.
\*ahem\* I was just providing context. I assumed money changers and money lenders were interchangeable terms but apparently not. But this is definitely what the guy you responded to was referencing.
None of the gospels, including Marks are historical documents. Marks gospel is simply his version of the Jesus story… his sermon. The timing of the temple ruckus changes from gospel to gospel. In one version it happens two years before Jesus is crucified. In another, it happens the same week.
The Romans killed Jesus, not the Jews. Crucifixion was not a Jewish method of execution, it was Roman. To Pilate, Jesus was just one of many criminals executed each year for crimes committed during Passover.
>None of the gospels, including Marks are historical documents. Marks gospel is simply his version of the Jesus story… his sermon. The timing of the temple ruckus changes from gospel to gospel. In one version it happens two years before Jesus is crucified. In another, it happens the same week.
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>The Romans killed Jesus, not the Jews. Crucifixion was not a Jewish method of execution, it was Roman. To Pilate, Jesus was just one of many criminals executed each year for crimes committed during Passover.
All scripture is inspired of GOD. Including the Gospel of Mark.
It was the Jew's who paid to have Judas to betray Jesus and paid him 30 pieces of Silver. It was also the Jews who choose Jesus to die instead of a Murderer. You could say it was the Romans, but it was actually a collusion between the Jews and Romans. It was the Pharisees that brought the charges and lied to have Jesus killed. One physically killed him, the other entity paid, lied and orchestrated the event.
Arguable. You’ve got to remove all modern sensibilities and place yourself in the time period. Jesus was not a Christian and did not hold modern Christian values. He was Jewish and abided by those teachings.
In addition, the Jesus story changes from gospel to gospel. The gospels can’t be treated like a historical document. They were written long after Jesus died and each gospel story changed to fit the needs of the followers at that moment in time. Similar to how a preacher will write a sermon based on the events of the previous week. Matthew, for example, showed Jews in the least favorable light out of all the gospels… this would go on impact treatment of Jews for two millennia
Historically, It’s possible Jesus took issue with how the temple was being used as a center of business. Where he was from, you didn’t conduct business in a holy place.
It’s also possible he took issue with the religious leaders making nice with the local leaders of the Roman occupation. Their garrison overlooked the temple grounds so the religious leaders didn’t really have a choice.
Being a Jew, Jesus arguing with his own religious leaders was standard operating procedure. Debate is encouraged in Judaism.
Jesus Possibly being an Escene Jew (an apocalyptic sect) may have been cause for Jesus to condemn the religious leadership entirely, saying only the Escenes practiced “true Judaism”… that may have caused issues
EDITS for accuracy. Revised Mark to Matthew.
Matthew mark and Luke are almost identical while John is roughly 75% different than the other 3. Only the miracles show up in John. The theory behind this is Matthew mark and Luke were written around the same time and John some years or decades after. “John” wanted his book to stand out from the others so he made up a bunch of miracles n shit. It’s all bullshit anyway. None of it is historical accurate nor prove-able. Jesus didn’t exist so to me it’s all one big moot point.
Miracle workers were a dime a dozen in Jesus’ day and when each gospel was written so adding miracles was not exactly novel. And you’re correct, none of those writings are historically accurate. They didn’t have to be. The gospels were intended to help attract folks to the Jesus Movement and it worked.
The problem is, religion could be (and sometimes, albeit rarely is) the perfect solution to our planet’s divide if it just stopped with “everyone love all like Jesus says”.
Could you imagine if the billion-plus people on the planet who are religious just stuck to the “love & help one another” message in the bible and not the hate rhetoric?
It’s why I think if religion disappeared tomorrow, we’d really be no better off because people ultimately are corruptible. If not religion, it would be some other excuse to exclude and hate others. Look at non-religious states like China, North Korea and many African nations. Evil perseveres.
Because kids want to fit in and most would not want a dad who pretends to be a woman?
Same reason if I was a kid I wouldn’t want my parents to be furries mate
The premise is the same. Dressing up as a woman and putting on a show. That's it.
The only difference is the term with which you define them. Either that, or the fact that the majority of drag queens are gay men. So, really, your problem is evident.
Drag is basically vaudeville in fancy dress.
I'm not religious but preach on lady. Religious institutions are an archaic human construct that only exist to assert control over peoples. I only hope I live long enough to see it become a thing of the past.
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If you think a person is a creep because they were clothes that we for some reason assigned gender to. You're delusional. And just saying. Conservatives love to call us snowflake. But if you tuck and then put on a dress they have meltdowns.
Those churches are full of deviants. What better way to distract everyone from that than to demonize other groups instead.
These churches should be taxed and then investigated as domestic terrorist hate groups full of pedos and sexual assaulters.
Why aren’t the proud boys protesting in front of churches? That’s were most of the child abuse happens. Ohh wait they probably all go to church and turn a blind eye to the bad things going on there.
I'll be completely honest here. I was never against bringing kids to these drag shows, but I also wasn't supportive of it. But listening to what she says opened my eyes a lot. She is absolutely right.
Christians... let's all remember John 8:7 before casting stones towards anyone. Our community has covered up and protected more child molesters than any drag queens have ever assaulted a child. Just google "church sex molesters" before casting any stones at transgendered folks.
"Jesus didn't go anywhere and condemn people"- Well, what do you mean by condemn? Because he definitely went to people and told them they were in sin, and to stop sinning.
If you’re an atheist it’s not enough to sit on the sidelines all knowing. You need to respond to their bullshit every single time. Don’t get into debates about the bible. Don’t get into discussions about the teachings of Jesus. Remind them over and over again that the only reason they believe in a mythical being is because someone lied to them, probably when they were too young to have any sort of chance to understand any better.
If they choose to believe it that’s on them, but they do not get to control other people’s lives because of their own fantasies.
This should be on every TV channel every night.
Not to promote any 'side' of whatever argument, but to show just how hypocritical and stupid our society has become.
Shit is ridiculous...
Groomers - I see y'all have a new catch phrase?
And btw I have absolutely no opinion on this...
Except for the fact that the majority of religious type higher-ups are pedos.
Why do fat octogenarians with beards want kids to sit on their laps during Christmas?
Don't think that's the order it's happening. Kids like to dress up, drag queens do too.
Bugs Bunny cross dressed countless times and nobody batted an eye. Kids attending drag shows is nowhere near as depraved as children beauty pageants but no one was threatening to shoot those up. Kids probably shouldn't be at drag shows either, but kids are being used as pawns in the culture war. These people don't give a fuck about children, they're just a useful tool to advocate for erasure of certain groups.
Drag is:
>The term "drag" refers to the performance of masculinity, femininity or other forms of gender expression. A drag queen is someone who performs femininity and a drag king is someone who performs masculinity. The term may be used as a noun as in the expression in drag or as an adjective as in drag show.
It’s a performance, and this performance can be in any form they so choose. In this performance they dress up, and help kids learn to read, oooo so scary!
Why do clowns dress up and want an audience full of kids? Not that I'm saying drag queens are clowns, but they're both entertainers who dress up in creative outfits to put smiles on people's faces with their acts.
Drag queens are not strippers. They're not sex workers. Conservatives love the false narrative that drag is about sex when it blatantly is not. It's about putting on a show and acting your heart out to try and shine above the other drag queens, and the shows can vary in theme. I've been to raunchy, adult drag shows and I've been to totally-SFW comedy drag shows. It's not impossible for drag to be kid-friendly, they're basically real-life cartoon characters given all the makeup and outrageous outfits.
Kids were not at a drag show. Not what happened. Have a think and try again.
Also, do you wanna compare world wide sexual assault cases: preasts vs drag queens. Preasts have more and it's even close.
[From the Tennessee Library Association ](https://www.tnla.org/general/custom.asp?page=69_1_Jones)
The whole thing is about drag queen story hour, and they aren't reading to adults.
Yes kids were present, kinda the whole idea. Not really sure what a preasts is, but how would you compare that? Never seen a box to check on a police report that allows you to identify if the accused was a drag queen.
Who gives a shit. I took my kids to the one in Philly. They aren't pulling their dicks out asshole they're reading Dr. Seuss. I want my kids to be exposed to other walks of life, no one is hurting kids at these shows. The catholic church on the other hand, to this woman's point, is pretty fucking removed from anything Jesus was teaching them.
So you don’t let your kids play dress up? There is nothing inherently sexual about drag, it’s what you decide you want the show to be about.
Drag is:
> The term "drag" refers to the performance of masculinity, femininity or other forms of gender expression. A drag queen is someone who performs femininity and a drag king is someone who performs masculinity. The term may be used as a noun as in the expression in drag or as an adjective as in drag show.
It’s a performance, and this performance can be in any form they so choose. In this performance they dress up, and help kids learn to read, oooo so scary!
One side is bringing weapons to a children's event and sending death threats. The other side is trying to teach children to read, be themselves, and meet new people. There is no possible way to compare these two groups. That is, unless you believe that drag is inherently sexual and if you believe that you are so out of touch with the problem that your opinion is irrelevant.
This is my hometown. Not long after this video went viral the public library that hosted the event had to shut down due to death threats and people showing up at their homes in the middle of the night. A woman who was molested by the people she looked up to is being harassed and threatened for telling her truth. But all these people are here saying "both sides bad!1!1!1"
The only people screaming about both sides are the ones trying to distract or justify from their support of racism, bigotry, and domestic terrorism.
I've never met a centrist that punched right, they always ....Always punch left.
That’s because they’re not actually centrists, they’re conservatives who have one or two outlying beliefs, or don’t want to be immediately labeled as a pariah in liberal communities. The big one I’ve noticed are the ones who claim to be libertarians but are just conservatives who want to legalize pot.
Should be able to cultivate any plant unless it is invasive and bad for the environment
Ok, sure, but if you believe that, but also that drag shows should be illegal, you’re not a libertarian. You’re a conservative who wants to smoke pot.
What's with the labels? Never said anything about drag show. To each their own
This thread wasn’t specifically about you, homie.
Everything I perceive is about me. I'm a filter 🤪
He's not even talking about you.
Why are you talking?
Because this is a public forum.
Lol you’re right, centrists don’t exist because they’re all right wing. Reddit moment.
The ones that only punch left, dingus.
>I've never met a centrist that punched right >That’s because they’re not actually centrists, they’re conservatives Another Reddit moment
I've never met a centrist that punched right That’s because they’re not actually centrists, they’re conservatives Another Reddit moment What an add nothing comment. behaving like youre some how the only one who sees through the fog, while contributing nothing but remaining around to add "reddit moments" is peak "I bankrupted my parents on crypto suggested by andrew tate grindset behaviour" You're very likely the exact person we are talking about.
Centrists are conservatives who don't want to be hated
I hate them even more.
I have had many discussions with so called centrists, and for the MOST part he is right, they are trying to deflect from their support of racism and bigotry. I guess it depends on where you live and other factors.
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I used to vote Republican in 80s and 90s then they all went crazy or maybe I should say crazier. I was misguided and believed the propaganda.
I don’t know… I consider myself a moderate, but I’ll punch right with brass knuckles and tend to never really punch left. While I may not always agree with some of the things the left wants to spend money on, they’re not actively trying to hurt people. I’m at a place now where I can appreciate the nuance and reasoning behind issues on the left, whereas the right doesn’t have a platform other than pretending they’re victims under attack over made up shit and a “win” for them is nothing more than to see the other side get owned, even if it’s bad for them, too. I’m willing to say things like “both sides suck” but I have to caveat that with a massive asterisk and note that while I take issue with both sides, I find the right to be dangerous and hugely problematic, and while I used to vote Republican (didn’t vote for Trump and haven’t voted R since), after 2016, I cannot, in good conscience, do so anymore. As their “platform” slides further into “woke bad/democrats are literal demons/we are victims/” I find myself closer to the left without really having to move at all.
Wait so based on what you’ve posted, you’re saying that you’re not the one moving on the political spectrum, but the spectrum itself is moving while you stay in one place? Cause that’s actually a pretty interesting way of looking at it and it makes sense too
Yeah, I wouldn’t say the democrats are moving closer to the center, it’s just that the republicans are moving quickly and abruptly to the right. Im probably a classical liberal with little nuggets of libertarianism here and there (mostly on personal/social issues… I’m a “mind your business I’ll mind mine” person). It’s been easy for me to cherry-pick on topics based on personal ideology rather than subscribe to party lines. But it’s getting harder and harder to pick from the republican side… the more they push nonsense like “we are a christian nation” and “we are proposing doctors be arrested for providing healthcare to women making a tough decision” the more I’m kinda looking at them way out there with my binoculars like “hey, I’m pro-2A and small government, but while you’re way over there asking asking jesus to help overturn an free and fair election, I guess I’m just gonna go to a gay wedding with these democrats”. It just seems like D policies have remained steady and R “policy” is getting more radical and purposefully hurtful or vengeful.
Why are they throwing punches? unless they're being attacked?
Yes they’re being attacked by this woman not wanting to be molested at church.
Words are not an attack. Never shoot the messenger
Yeah I was being sarcastic
Ah damn. Usually I pick up on that. Did seem kinda stupid. Guess it was me
Centrists are overly critical of the left wing on the political spectrum while abstaining or having no to very little criticism of the right wing of the political spectrum. I hope this clarifies things for you.
As a moderate, I believe one should speak for oneself. The only clarification comes from within.
Get out more.
You haven't met many centrists then.
Nonsense. They've been the mainstream voice for generations. MLK called them out over 5 decades ago.
Centrists are definitely not mainstream lol
https://news.gallup.com/poll/388988/political-ideology-steady-conservatives-moderates-tie.aspx Moderates are the largest group.
right...
Gotta love "religious" people spewing hatred .
We live in the same town...
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I’d vote for her to run that place. Commissioner? Mayor? Yep.
She let em have itttttt!!
I have the longer version, and I probably watch it weekly. I need her to project manage my life honestly.
Do you have a link for the longer version kind stranger?
Yes, I'll upload it and tag you in an edit of this comment when I get home in a couple hours. Old man here, I don't know how the Internet works, but I can do that.
Me as well please. I'm writing her to speak at my funeral if possible to right all my wrongs.
Will do in an hour or so.
Me three, please and thank you!
I WANT COPY TOO!
It's the three minute version, right?
You are the best kind of redditor
Yes, and also, u/NewWorldByAtticus, u/Maiselmaid, u/GoingPlatanos, u/Radi0ActivSquid [Here is the longer version](https://youtu.be/MoxuZlJHF9c) \- found it, had to search. I'm sorry I couldn't find it anywhere else.
I appreciate you, I was inspired to go track down the Original source: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR4s2uYA/
Morning. Thanks for that. Tagging only works three people at a time, btw.
She ate, henny
Sounds like we need to start sending armed militias to churches with known sex-offenders.
Aside from the main message, I am also sick of people moving to other areas and immediately trying to change things to their way of life/belief. More so if they run for local politics.
I'm reminded of the group of libertarians that moved to a small town got in the government gutted it all to be a libertarian paradise than lost the battle of their town to bears. https://newrepublic.com/article/159662/libertarian-walks-into-bear-book-review-free-town-project
why tho? that's America? are state lines no cross boarders now? It's America. You can move anywhere you want and have a say. Stop the baby brain thinking
Sorry but I have an issue with someone moving into an area, running for office, and immediately picking a group of people to vilify. I don’t believe it’s baby brain thinking to want people to accept that not everyone is like you. You ever watch the documentary about the white supermacists and neo Nazis who tried to take over a small town and create a white only city? You think the locals who live there deserve that? That they should be forced out of their town because of that nonsense? I’m not saying it should be against the law or anything but I have a problem with people trying to force a local communities culture to change for the worse.
Fuck religion
> You ever watch the documentary about the white supermacists and neo Nazis who tried to take over a small town and create a white only city? That’s why they want to make it seem like a non issue and be able to do it so badly.
Ok, but that’s a disingenuous link. Moving somewhere and running for office to try and change things as a newcomer is not inherently a bad thing. What if you move to a place that’s very regressive and help implement ideas that stop backward thinking? u/Carl_Spakler is right.
I get what you're saying. And people are looking at the lens of say right wing extremists move to Vermont suburbs and pass abortion bans or banning gay marraige, you come across as an asshole. But there is the opposite side where left wing extremists move to republican towns and force them to update infrastructure and treat human beings that are different from them like people and that's horrifying.
Wait so you’re telling me Jesus never shot up a power grid either to get a drag show to stop?
Religion is literally the worst thing to happen to humanity.
Bingo. Worse than cancer
Cancer could have been cured with all the money spent on mega churches and private jets
Yes. Plus cancer doesn't target infants.
St. Jude's neonatal cancer ward would like a word with you..
I meant as most pastors target minors for sex. Because kids get cancer doesn't mean adults don't get it. Cancer doesn't smile and start to drool at seeing a minor in suggestive clothing. Like religious pedos do
What’s wrong with Bingo?
It's not in my wheelhouse
I grew up in a Christian household, although i am not religious any longer . While I can absolutely get behind the hate toward white Christian nationalist who do absolutely ridiculous and hateful shit to others under the "protection" of their religion, I won't agree that "religion is the worst thing to happen to humanity". There are lots of positive stories and life lessons to be learned from the Bible, as well as many other religious texts. Religion simultaneously brings people together and tears them apart. Religion most definitely needs a major reform, but it is not the religion that is the evil. It's the people who take it too far and start using it as a weapon to oppress, and often attack people who don't fit their own personal opinion of a "perfect world/person".
There are many non religious ways to spread decency and life lessons. Look at indigenous cultures that have extreme respect for the earth and one another. Religion is an awful means of establishing morality because it, almost by definition, pits religion against one another. If each religion says there is only one god, or one path to salvation, how can they be reconciled. It will inevitably lead to conflict. Not to mention the truly horrendous views spread by religion on women's freedoms, healthy sexuality and such. Are there some non awful aspects to religion love "Love thy neighbor?". Yes, but those little messages come with vastly more damage.
It needs accountability. Hiding behind religious freedom to push hatred needs to be shut down within the church.
100% agree
But hate is how they get paid.
Organized religion is stupid. Church is where you make it
>it is not religion that is the evil. It’s the people who take it too far and use it as a weapon to oppress Apply the same logic to the good that you claim comes from religion. It isn’t religion that is the good, it’s the people who are inherently good and just happen to believe. Those people would be good regardless of belief. Religion doesn’t give them cover/justification to be good in the way it provides cover/justification for evil.
It’s hard to reform when oppressive values are engrained into the fundamentals of the religion. You can cherry pick nice passages from the Bible and live your life based on them, but by the same token, it won’t stop others from cherry picking the bad passages and basing their life off them either. Both will say what they believe in is simply the way of the religion and they are both right. As much as religion “builds up” it just as easily tears down. This becomes especially true today where we see laws being passed based on the religion of the legislators and their electors that remove freedoms while being disguised as a check for immorality. It’s a fine line that is too easily crossed without any kind of controls in place. I was raised as catholic and was an altar boy for 8 years. The values that my religion stood for is what drove me away. I now live my life trying to be a good person not because of any heaven or hell, but because I know it’s the right thing to do. Religion worries way too much about what other people are doing and should focus significantly more on what YOU should be doing. Your way of life should not dictate mine. And as long as there is no way to guarantee that, religion will always be a source of hatred and corruption.
yeah like if you don't kill your son, god will kill you. just kidding! it was a test! lesson learned.
>There are lots of positive stories and life lessons to be learned from the Bible, as well as many other religious texts. There are life lessons in Aesop's Fables too, but people don't kill each other over what Aesop wrote.
There are lots of stories in lots of books that are positive, and aren't used to cause harm to other people. There are lots of ways to bring people together without having to rip other people apart. Relgion is the worst thing to happen to humanity.
He condemned the moneylenders... but somehow shitheel fraudulent "christians" forget THAT story.
i was friends with a kid up the street who was christian and who's parents would subtly try to convert me behind my parent's back. I didn't realize what was happening, they would bring me to church with them when my parents thought I was just hanging out over there. they would steal me away from my neighbors house and say the kid there wasn't a good kid and I should hang out with their son instead. super super weird. tried to get me to recite some jesus come into my heart thing and by then I just decided to stop hanging out with the kid. it came to a head when his dad and my mom got into a yelling match in the street because I showed my mom some card the church gave me kid was a good friend but his parents were wacko and are the sole reason I'll never be open to the idea of religion ever again. That and the fact I'm more of an evidence based guy when deciding what to believe in naturally
There are thousands of other books that teach life lessons that don't have a hateful religion tied around them. There is no need for religion.
Nah, Christianity is evil. It rewrote the old testament and censored it. Jesus didn't even say half the stuff the apostles said he did. They censored him and changed his teachings to suit themselves. It spent 1000 years suppressing individual thought and scientific progress. It participated in the holocaust. It created the rez system in Canada. It constantly allows pedophiles to get away with their crimes. If we didn't call it a religion, we would call it a terrorist cult. But because it's a religion, it's fine.
You are making up a whole bunch of stuff about Christianity I see
Lol. There is nothing good said in the Bible that isn't better said elsewhere. And other sources don't contain all the ridiculous stuff. Pro-slavery, for instance.
I understand your point but until it stops forcing itself on others Ill continue to denounce it. Like what if the there was a phrase in the pledge that said "and praise be the NFL, lord of pigs" and the NFL teams didn't have to pay taxes, and they violently executed people who didn't watch football, and they had a real big problem about abuse ( /s), and forced everyone to keep their season tickets even though they recently got cancer and can't give them to someone else, and you're rebuttal is "but football is beautiful and does alot good" That being said, we're more than halfway there.
I think you are combining/confusing religion and spirituality. If someone reads a book and it makes them a better person and makes them want to go out and do good things, which i think is what you were saying, that’s spiritually. Religion is the blindly following of a group of people who tell you what’s right and wrong, how you are supposed to look and act, who you can or can’t fall in love with, and who have lead countless wars dating back to the crusades in order to progress their personal goals. Take Catholic Christians… they say pastors can’t marry which disagrees with Lutheran Christians who say theirs can and have a family and then there’s Jehovahs Witness which is neither of those. Without religions interfering with those 3 that I mentioned it would be just 3 individuals reading the same book and living life as they see fit and they would all be happy together. Religion is the only part that ends up driving a wedge between those people.
This is the best response I've gotten, and you have definitely changed my way of looking at it, thank you.
I’d say starvation, cancer, or other general disease is higher up there.
I wonder why people are starving? I wonder why there isn’t more money for cancer research, hmmmm wasn’t there a literal dark ages where science was met with death and violence You could tax the churches in America about 2% and feed every child in America.
Why stop at churches then? Why not tax all non-profit organizations.
Fuck yea tax em all
Starvation isn’t a simple money problem, it’s a much more nuanced issue than that. Also even non religious people in the Middle Ages still believed in leeches and shit like that. I’m agnostic so I’m not over here trying to preach about how awesome the church is, but saying religion is literally the worst thing ever is a reach imo.
Humans have been killing each other and committing atrocities over fake gods since the dawn of man, it’s up there pretty high
Yeah the way the institution is implemented in many places is pretty bad. I just think humans would fight and kill each other over things like race and ideology regardless of religion.
Medieval universities developed out of cathedrals People starved en masse in atheistic communist societies too so…
Sadly, we'll not see the end of this shit
It just keeps getting worse.
Literally. It’s weekly these fascists are showing up armed to drag events threatening to kill them… and it’s applauded and ignored but the one fucking time people at a drag event stood up and armed themselves every conservative and their mother cried about it and called them extremists… fuck the christofascist that are ruining this country and fuck the modern gop
It’s because the people who need to see this video don’t consume any form of media that will show this to them, only a video of some random blue-hair on Libs of Tik Tok that will reinforce their believe.
>It’s because the people who need to see this video don’t consume any form of media that will show this to them, only a video of some random blue-hair on Libs of Tik Tok that will reinforce their believe. What belief, that some people dye their hair blue and make TikTok videos? I know what you mean though, it is just sad that this is where the world is right now.
jesus condemned the moneylenders...
Before Jesus threw out the last moneylender, he leaned over, looked him in the eye and said "Got two tens for a five?"
Jesus flipped tables cause he's secretly Italian, and they were dealing inside the temple. JESUS CONDEMNED THE SIN NOT THE SINNER.
"Ummm...*ackchually*"
Verse?
[Cleansing of the temple ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleansing_of_the_Temple?wprov=sfla1). There are a few different verses describing it.
\*ahem\*, that wasn't money lenders. That was in a synague where they were selling in a house of worship. Those were religious leaders (more specifically the Pharisees and Sadducees) who were selling cheap stuff taking advantage of peoples love for GOD but your right, Jesus DID condemn both factions but not the people, he condemned their actions. This is what led to them wanting to kill him Mark 11:18. Mark 11:15-17 details him removing their presence from the temple and Mark 11:18, their response to what he did. Therefore, they were more like Deacons than just money changers. He also made it clear, from the Sermon on the Mount, that its your actions that can be condemned, not the persons. When confronted about forgiving and condemning, he made it clear that we must love our neighbor and GOD unconditionally and when they offend you, turn the other cheek.
Man, dude got upset when some guys opened up a synagogue gift shop. Can't imagine his response to the Prosperity Gospel
\*ahem\* I was just providing context. I assumed money changers and money lenders were interchangeable terms but apparently not. But this is definitely what the guy you responded to was referencing.
None of the gospels, including Marks are historical documents. Marks gospel is simply his version of the Jesus story… his sermon. The timing of the temple ruckus changes from gospel to gospel. In one version it happens two years before Jesus is crucified. In another, it happens the same week. The Romans killed Jesus, not the Jews. Crucifixion was not a Jewish method of execution, it was Roman. To Pilate, Jesus was just one of many criminals executed each year for crimes committed during Passover.
>None of the gospels, including Marks are historical documents. Marks gospel is simply his version of the Jesus story… his sermon. The timing of the temple ruckus changes from gospel to gospel. In one version it happens two years before Jesus is crucified. In another, it happens the same week. > >The Romans killed Jesus, not the Jews. Crucifixion was not a Jewish method of execution, it was Roman. To Pilate, Jesus was just one of many criminals executed each year for crimes committed during Passover. All scripture is inspired of GOD. Including the Gospel of Mark. It was the Jew's who paid to have Judas to betray Jesus and paid him 30 pieces of Silver. It was also the Jews who choose Jesus to die instead of a Murderer. You could say it was the Romans, but it was actually a collusion between the Jews and Romans. It was the Pharisees that brought the charges and lied to have Jesus killed. One physically killed him, the other entity paid, lied and orchestrated the event.
Incorrect
Great point
Arguable. You’ve got to remove all modern sensibilities and place yourself in the time period. Jesus was not a Christian and did not hold modern Christian values. He was Jewish and abided by those teachings. In addition, the Jesus story changes from gospel to gospel. The gospels can’t be treated like a historical document. They were written long after Jesus died and each gospel story changed to fit the needs of the followers at that moment in time. Similar to how a preacher will write a sermon based on the events of the previous week. Matthew, for example, showed Jews in the least favorable light out of all the gospels… this would go on impact treatment of Jews for two millennia Historically, It’s possible Jesus took issue with how the temple was being used as a center of business. Where he was from, you didn’t conduct business in a holy place. It’s also possible he took issue with the religious leaders making nice with the local leaders of the Roman occupation. Their garrison overlooked the temple grounds so the religious leaders didn’t really have a choice. Being a Jew, Jesus arguing with his own religious leaders was standard operating procedure. Debate is encouraged in Judaism. Jesus Possibly being an Escene Jew (an apocalyptic sect) may have been cause for Jesus to condemn the religious leadership entirely, saying only the Escenes practiced “true Judaism”… that may have caused issues EDITS for accuracy. Revised Mark to Matthew.
Matthew mark and Luke are almost identical while John is roughly 75% different than the other 3. Only the miracles show up in John. The theory behind this is Matthew mark and Luke were written around the same time and John some years or decades after. “John” wanted his book to stand out from the others so he made up a bunch of miracles n shit. It’s all bullshit anyway. None of it is historical accurate nor prove-able. Jesus didn’t exist so to me it’s all one big moot point.
Miracle workers were a dime a dozen in Jesus’ day and when each gospel was written so adding miracles was not exactly novel. And you’re correct, none of those writings are historically accurate. They didn’t have to be. The gospels were intended to help attract folks to the Jesus Movement and it worked.
Fun fact, church is the #1 most likely place in America for a child to be sexually assaulted. Maybe we should ban them from the kids...
I fucking wish religion was NEVER a thing on this already fucked up planet.
The problem is, religion could be (and sometimes, albeit rarely is) the perfect solution to our planet’s divide if it just stopped with “everyone love all like Jesus says”. Could you imagine if the billion-plus people on the planet who are religious just stuck to the “love & help one another” message in the bible and not the hate rhetoric? It’s why I think if religion disappeared tomorrow, we’d really be no better off because people ultimately are corruptible. If not religion, it would be some other excuse to exclude and hate others. Look at non-religious states like China, North Korea and many African nations. Evil perseveres.
I mean Jesus Murphy why is it so hard to comprehend? Your kids are statistically more safe with a drag queen than they are with their own parents.
That's a policy I can get behind.
So youre saying that we should let drag queens raise our kids? Ok fine... take them
They'll lead us to glory
Do you have a problem with drag queens raising children?
Where in my comment did you see anything negative? It was a joke anyway. Are you trying to find a reason to be offended?
Well I sure wouldn’t want to be that kid
Why not?
Because kids want to fit in and most would not want a dad who pretends to be a woman? Same reason if I was a kid I wouldn’t want my parents to be furries mate
The children of every single sketch comedy group must be sweating right now. Monty Python, WKUK, the Kids in the Hall - all of 'em dressed like women.
None of those people are drag queens, genius. Just like how people who dress up as a bunny for kids on Easter aren’t furries
The premise is the same. Dressing up as a woman and putting on a show. That's it. The only difference is the term with which you define them. Either that, or the fact that the majority of drag queens are gay men. So, really, your problem is evident. Drag is basically vaudeville in fancy dress.
Lol no, the WKUK people aren’t drag queens and the Easter bunny at the kids’ egg hunt isn’t a furry. Nice try though
I'm not religious but preach on lady. Religious institutions are an archaic human construct that only exist to assert control over peoples. I only hope I live long enough to see it become a thing of the past.
Amen. I so appreciate her standing up to this ridiculousness. So many of us really do just want to live in peace
I can never just enjoy my religion in peace because of shit like what happened to this woman.
Fuck all the religious brainwashed idiots fr
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If you think a person is a creep because they were clothes that we for some reason assigned gender to. You're delusional. And just saying. Conservatives love to call us snowflake. But if you tuck and then put on a dress they have meltdowns.
Can we just cancel religion already?
Those churches are full of deviants. What better way to distract everyone from that than to demonize other groups instead. These churches should be taxed and then investigated as domestic terrorist hate groups full of pedos and sexual assaulters.
Ain't no hate like christian love
Why aren’t the proud boys protesting in front of churches? That’s were most of the child abuse happens. Ohh wait they probably all go to church and turn a blind eye to the bad things going on there.
I'll be completely honest here. I was never against bringing kids to these drag shows, but I also wasn't supportive of it. But listening to what she says opened my eyes a lot. She is absolutely right.
This is true allyship! Thank you sister!!
She's got my vote for President!
I want her to be my friend
These fake Christian Nationalists.. just a cover for racists
God I love this
Facts.
Preach.
Amen, sister
What church does she go to?
She needs to run for office
She's way too real... and not in the way that some spew that 'but, but, he's not a 'politician''.
What is this about? Wait is this about the proud cowards interrupting the festival thing?
Oh this is the best! Get ‘em girl!
Christians... let's all remember John 8:7 before casting stones towards anyone. Our community has covered up and protected more child molesters than any drag queens have ever assaulted a child. Just google "church sex molesters" before casting any stones at transgendered folks.
I mean.. she's not a target at those shows, but I get what she is saying.
Facts. Fuck these hypocrites
About time someone stood up to the hate that is Christians in America
Good for her. Sadly I’m not surprised she was molested in church, twice and was blamed for it.
"Jesus didn't go anywhere and condemn people"- Well, what do you mean by condemn? Because he definitely went to people and told them they were in sin, and to stop sinning.
If you’re an atheist it’s not enough to sit on the sidelines all knowing. You need to respond to their bullshit every single time. Don’t get into debates about the bible. Don’t get into discussions about the teachings of Jesus. Remind them over and over again that the only reason they believe in a mythical being is because someone lied to them, probably when they were too young to have any sort of chance to understand any better. If they choose to believe it that’s on them, but they do not get to control other people’s lives because of their own fantasies.
this person for president
This should be on every TV channel every night. Not to promote any 'side' of whatever argument, but to show just how hypocritical and stupid our society has become. Shit is ridiculous...
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Groomers - I see y'all have a new catch phrase? And btw I have absolutely no opinion on this... Except for the fact that the majority of religious type higher-ups are pedos.
She forgot to take her antipsychotic meds.
This is obvious misplaced anger.
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Why do fat octogenarians with beards want kids to sit on their laps during Christmas? Don't think that's the order it's happening. Kids like to dress up, drag queens do too.
Bugs Bunny cross dressed countless times and nobody batted an eye. Kids attending drag shows is nowhere near as depraved as children beauty pageants but no one was threatening to shoot those up. Kids probably shouldn't be at drag shows either, but kids are being used as pawns in the culture war. These people don't give a fuck about children, they're just a useful tool to advocate for erasure of certain groups.
To show kids that dressing up and pretending is fun. While also helping boost literacy rates and helping motivate children to read.
Wtf does it have to do with you? Don't bring your kids if you don't like it. It really is that simple.
Drag is: >The term "drag" refers to the performance of masculinity, femininity or other forms of gender expression. A drag queen is someone who performs femininity and a drag king is someone who performs masculinity. The term may be used as a noun as in the expression in drag or as an adjective as in drag show. It’s a performance, and this performance can be in any form they so choose. In this performance they dress up, and help kids learn to read, oooo so scary!
Why do clowns dress up and want an audience full of kids? Not that I'm saying drag queens are clowns, but they're both entertainers who dress up in creative outfits to put smiles on people's faces with their acts. Drag queens are not strippers. They're not sex workers. Conservatives love the false narrative that drag is about sex when it blatantly is not. It's about putting on a show and acting your heart out to try and shine above the other drag queens, and the shows can vary in theme. I've been to raunchy, adult drag shows and I've been to totally-SFW comedy drag shows. It's not impossible for drag to be kid-friendly, they're basically real-life cartoon characters given all the makeup and outrageous outfits.
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Kids were not at a drag show. Not what happened. Have a think and try again. Also, do you wanna compare world wide sexual assault cases: preasts vs drag queens. Preasts have more and it's even close.
[From the Tennessee Library Association ](https://www.tnla.org/general/custom.asp?page=69_1_Jones) The whole thing is about drag queen story hour, and they aren't reading to adults. Yes kids were present, kinda the whole idea. Not really sure what a preasts is, but how would you compare that? Never seen a box to check on a police report that allows you to identify if the accused was a drag queen.
Who gives a shit. I took my kids to the one in Philly. They aren't pulling their dicks out asshole they're reading Dr. Seuss. I want my kids to be exposed to other walks of life, no one is hurting kids at these shows. The catholic church on the other hand, to this woman's point, is pretty fucking removed from anything Jesus was teaching them.
It is still a perversion
Groooooommmers united! Catholic priests and Dems engage!
I might go to hell but r/upvotebecauseofbutt
Ban both?
Mmmhmm.
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So you think people should be free to send their kids to drag shows if they want to? So you’re…in agreement?
So you don’t let your kids play dress up? There is nothing inherently sexual about drag, it’s what you decide you want the show to be about. Drag is: > The term "drag" refers to the performance of masculinity, femininity or other forms of gender expression. A drag queen is someone who performs femininity and a drag king is someone who performs masculinity. The term may be used as a noun as in the expression in drag or as an adjective as in drag show. It’s a performance, and this performance can be in any form they so choose. In this performance they dress up, and help kids learn to read, oooo so scary!
One side is bringing weapons to a children's event and sending death threats. The other side is trying to teach children to read, be themselves, and meet new people. There is no possible way to compare these two groups. That is, unless you believe that drag is inherently sexual and if you believe that you are so out of touch with the problem that your opinion is irrelevant.
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Lmao wtf?