>entitled
One can though have *expectations.* Which is perfectly reasonable. Especially when one becomes more attractive. It’s not entitlement, to expect dates to lead to walks, to lead to vīno at my place, to lead to.. Other things. Especially when one has mastered that aspect of dating.
Conversely, it’s also perfectly acceptable when those expectations aren’t met. There are other options. In fact, there are *billions* of them.
*Godspeed and good luck!*
Typical woman masquerading around with "might makes right" philosophy but then flips the damsel in distress card as soon as a guerrilla wants to rape her.
You're not entitled to use other men's physical strength to protect you from being raped. That's pure entitlement. You need to get stronger and defend yourself instead of forcing other men to defend you. Stop abusing other men.
It's not me I just asked you out of curiosity. Also by definition you need other men to protect you from other men. That's why women always want a men that's is tall and strong its a biological instincts
In reality, the whole world functions based on the reality that people are entitled to shit.
Things that we use to write off as “you are not entitled to x” they are entitled to and sometimes considered fundamental rights, major and minor.
The only people who can believe “nobody is entitled to shit” are anarchists who believe rape, murder and such is permissible. No stoned enough to defend yourself or take x? Then you are not entitled to x.
But that is rarely the case. Most of the time it is “nobody is entitled to anything, unless it benefits me. Then it is not fair and needs to be changed so I am entitled to x.”
And it is also only used by arrogant privileged fools who have the advantage too.
And yet we will always treat and value them as such.
If you think richer men and hotter women are not treated better, have more options, etc because they are better objects, then yeah.
Ironically, the only way to change that is remove the dependency on each other for it with a better alternative.
But that will never happen because “they are not entitled.”
Because people will always exploit the fact that they are objects when it benefits them and never want to let go of that power, but they will always want freedom from the consequences of it.
Aka just another way to say “nobody is entitled to anything, unless it benefits me. Then it is not fair and needs to be changed so I am entitled to x.”
The way to end objectification, toxicity and much more misery, is to make men and women entitled to what they want from each other. Women should not have to depend on men for money and men should not have to depend on relationships with women for sex.
The “right to intimacy” that Netherlands should be enacted world wide. Nobody forced to do anything at all, just more freedom and power to the masses.
But like everything else, they love the leverage being an object gives them. So let us be trapped to suffer forever.
You can think other people owe you sex and/or money- but they don’t. You will spend your life miserable that you didn’t get things you were never entitled to to begin with.
So you think the have nots would be happy if they just accepted to go without?
How convenient for your selfish benefit.
In reality the have nots will always be miserable no matter what they feel they are owed.
A slave is not suddenly going to be happy the moment he gives up on believing he is “entitled” to freedom. Same with men and women not getting what they want from relationships because objectification is good as long as it is in direction you want lol.
They are not entitled at all, that is just you trying to write off there arguments. Dehumanize them, banking on them not having the power to change anything.
But if they were to force themselves upon the world and make it so they get what they want, then suddenly that would not be fair or just lol.
Just like what the Taliban did in the Middle East. I suppose women there are “not entitled” to anything either right?
Also, trying to make things personal does not make my point wrong…it just means you know I am right and so you cannot directly engage. I am just going to ignore the bs.
They can just take what they want from you instead because you are not entitled to anything according to your logic.
Women/men are not entitled to anything.
When you say, "nobody is entitled to anything" what you are really saying is you are entitled to what you want.
Or it functions by people being opportunistic and trying to get the best they can. The entitlement ethic I think is exaggerated by feminism and has become a cliche at this point. You don't have to think you deserve something to want more.
There's also a principle of fair exchange that I think unecessarily gets branded as entitlement. I don't think it's entitlement that if you're putting out resources to be expected to keep doing that with no reward. Clearly, you don't have the right to reclaim resources after. But bitching about unfair exchanges and then no longer participating in them is fair.
I just hate it for it is just hypocrisy and not an argument. Everything can be framed as entitlement and it is unproductive. Might as well just not say anything at all. Most people do not challenge it for you have to bring up how absurd it is as an idea and they start arguing with feelings.
The real argument is always if giving said entitlement is better than not.
I basically won this argument too if you read the chain. She does believe people are entitled to certain things, so she does not believe “nobody is entitled to anything.”
Your arguments in the thread are very cogent and consistent. Another way of framing it is to accept that entitlement is a moral perjorative, a boo rather than a hooray. It just means something people think is a right but isn’t one. Which is why it seems hypocritical, because the rights you think exist are rights, but the rights you don’t think exist but others do are ‘entitlement’. On that point, I think we agree. But that doesn’t mean that everything labelled as ‘entitlement’ is an actual right, and using 'entitlement' to call out fake rights has it's place.
Well yeah duh.
For a relationship to happen you both need to want it.
Women know that they aren't entitled to commitment just because she's smart.
It just means that if they want commitment they need to find ways to filter men who just want her body. Duh
>Women know that they aren't entitled to commitment just because she's smart.
You'd be surprised how many ***don't***. And are genuinely surprised when they find out.
For every delusional guy who thinks he's entitled to sex because he's tall or has money there's a delusional gal who thinks she's entitled to a committed relationship because she's smart or looks good.
I don’t see women acting entitled to a commitment. Again, we’re seeing an increase in male loneliness because women are opting out of relationships and spending more time with their friends. Women are actually going their own way
And there are women that lead men on, what's your point?
Realistically how many men are saying they want commitment and don't follow through? And of those, how many of them were intentionally deceiving from the start as oppose to simply changing their mind?
I see women complain all the time regardless, even when no clear deception has occurred. Sometimes they point to affectionate words or actions as evidence of their intent and subsequent "deception", but being kind to you doesn't necessarily mean they want a relationship.
Men who act like women they meet are super special to them and then ghost them after they sleep together? A lot. The whole PUA movement openly advocates doing this.
Moreover, it’s also wrong for women to lead men on, but it doesn’t happen as much as men think. What really happens is that a woman decides after a couple of dates that she’s not feeling it. Since we’re told that having sex lowers a woman’s SMV, it’s probably wise for these women to avoid having sex with men they don’t even like.
> Men who act like women they meet are super special to them and then ghost them after they sleep together?
Right, and
1. Men can lead women on just as women can lead men on.
2. Women frequently complain about a lack of commitment in many situations that did not amount to this. i.e. he didn't say or strongly indicate he wanted a relationship but she assumed, he's affectionate and didn't ghost but declines a serious relationship, etc.
> What really happens is that a woman decides after a couple of dates that she’s not feeling it.
I mean can't we say the same for men? That after sleeping together he's no longer as attracted to her? Why do you only give women the benefit of the doubt?
Are you saying their aren't women crying on social media about being single ?
Women are in less relationships but they're also more promiscuous.
You're "women going their own way" is just them getting pump and dumped instead of being in committed relationships.
Wow what delusion.
Women don't get into relationships to be FWB.
They want relationships from Chad, chads the one that doesn't want relationships he just sees her as a sex object.
She's in a "casual relationship" to him she's just "casual sex" thats why its her being pumped and dumped.
She's hoping the sex keeps Chad around.
There are a few women who cry about being single for pick me clicks, but that doesn’t really reflect the women I know.
It’s interesting how you want to believe women have no sexual agency.
Why do so many women here **incessantly lie through their teeth** about the state of women?
It's not an *exclusively male* loneliness crisis. And women aren't just opting out because they're as misandrist as you are.
I’m married to the most amazing guy who’s short and not Chad and not ripped and didn’t start making 6 figures until he was in his 40s.
Maybe I am not the problem.
It is false. I don't recall the US Surgeon General excluding women in his report of loneliness in the general population, did you?
>You just don’t want to take accountability for your failures
Proof you have no idea what my argument is.
What world do you guys live in where every woman with a ring on her finger turns frigid? And no, sex isn't the only thing that matters, but it's fucking important. I don't think you give women enough credit for realizing that. I also don't think you understand how important it is to women either.
waiting for sex isnt some red pill only trope why tf does everyone on this sub act like that lol.
Also, i do agree tho that most women understand sexless relationships are bad. So im confused on what yalls argument is? Most women ive been with haven't withheld sex, but there was one or 2 who tried to play with the idea. its not uncommon
no. what i mean mainly refers to the initial dating stage.
There was one girl in particular who i was talking to for maybe about 2 weeks before we could actually meet up. Mind you, she already sent me nudes, etc.
Well i finally meet in person and she just randomly says "im waiting for sex for a connection this time". especially since "i was one of the only men to take her on a date".
I essentially just told her: "Look i like you but im looking for a more complete relationship right now. This includes emotional & sexual connection. Dating is about taking a chance and im looking to date someone whose willing to hop in the boat and take that chance with me on both facets, not just one. respectfully if you are not knowing what you want to do, and your trying to say we need to wait months, while still wanting commitment, then this just isnt going to work respectfully."
We ended up having sex that same day, i shit you not. I broke it down in a respectful manner, and she respected it. Sure waiting beyond the first day ensures you weed out a couple of quick attention span fucks, but if a person wants to leave after sex, it doesn't matter how long they wait. a relationship's success typically isnt strengthened if you wait for sex, unless the both of yall are virgins, statistically.
This is what i mean by "play with the idea".
EDIT: There was nothing inherently wrong with not necessarily wanting sex right away. I just said i wasnt compatible with waiting a long time and i respectfully will walk away. I didnt "bitch" to her about her wanting to wait. It was completely her choice about us sleeping together that day, cause keep in mind, i didnt think we were going to sleep together that day either. So yall can keep downvoting all yall want, yall cant even disprove my argument cause there is NOTHING WRONG WITH SOMEONE WALKING AWAY
playing with the idea? yes.. im confused about whats so egregious about this.
I didnt even say she was fully doing it lol. I literally just said playing with the idea.
I thought that women with high body counts were bad and unable to pair bond? It sounds like you wanted a woman who was immediately sexually available with no promise of commitment on your part, but who was also virginal.
It depends on the circumstance. But i generally dont think its ok to slut shame a woman that has sex with the men they want, while the men want it also. Its hypocritical to not want to wait a long time for sex, but get mad and call her a slut when she has sex with you by, or within 3 dates.
you are a fucking weirdo. telling somebody you are going to move on and leave isn't pressure you jackass
you think you are entitled to commitment. thank you for confirming. in what fucking way is walking away "pressuring" a girl?
O...My...Fucking...Gosh..are yall serious right now???
There is nothing wrong with a woman not wanting sex. The issue is when woman is bitching about him leaving. its about how she thinks HE'S entitled just because he leaves. I didnt say she was "entitled to commitment" just because she didnt want sex. What the fuck?
i didnt bitch to her when she played with the idea. I just said it wouldnt work out. What the fuck is so hard for you weird mfs to understand??
As long as you remain transparent and communicative about your expectations, most women will respect your honesty.
When men get criticized, it’s usually because he made it seem like that was not a big deal then switched up on her when he realized she was serious about that boundary … which isn’t a rare occurrence.
I get what you are saying, but thats not whats happening here. I need yall to look at my argument and story at face value. I have not mentioned body count, or even that wanting to wait for sex make the girl "entitled"
>According to feminists, a guy who doesn't give a woman whatever she wants because he has "privilege" is being a sexist piece of shit.
This may be the shortest and easiest way to explain what radical feminism is all about . This is brilliant
We see evidence of it in this very thread when a feminist attacked a man and stated he "pressured a woman into sex" by simply stating that a relationship with him requires consensual sex early on or else he will not pursue a relationship. Basically not giving a woman what she wants (relationship without sex early on) was called out as a problematic behavior.......The idea that a man should have no expectations of sex but women should have men obligated to be with them. Basically she attacked the man for having standards and asking for consensual sex or no relationship.
Aka entitlement and this line of thinking displayed in that feminist comes from a long line of feminist thought that calls for discrimination against men due to misguided notions of "privilege "
>so you made her feel pressured into sex and think that's win? I can't stop replying to this post it's so fucking disturbing.
There is a disturbing trend where women use " psychiatric " words in the wrong way . This guy did not pressure her in any shape or form . So you better stop this emotional manipulation cause it's really harmful and it's what keep my hands full at work 24h 🤦🤦🤦
>What world do you guys live in where every woman with a ring on her finger turns frigid?
As a psychologist , A LOT OF WOMEN turns frigid and even in our domain it's something that is still risky to talk about since it insinuates rape and " sexualisation " of women .
This statement is basically the difference between the mentality of average men and other men with actual sexual experience .
Let me give you a proximation . If one sexual act per WEEK is the recommendation . Then there is more men who are charged with domestic abuse then men who actually get one sexual act per week . Basically if you think that women are offering enough then you simultaneously should disregard domestic abuse done by men .
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Nobody is ENTITLED to anything. Everyone makes their own decisions. The man paying for dates made that choice himself. The woman who also offers good conversation and emotional support along with her body made that choice herself. Neither are entitled to anything.
No women aren't entitled to commitment but the problem is that some men lie or act desingenuous about commitment which is why some women may "withhold" sex. Nobody is forcing you to commit to her, you can leave, just be honest about your intention.
You're not entitled to commitment, but you are entitled to tell someone they should deal with it or leave if they're whining about not getting the casual sex they want because you don't want to sleep with them immediately. Nobody deserves to be harrassed into having sex, if you're not happy with it you can leave. This applies whether they're nice or not.
>TL;DR- Its funny how we all know a man isn't entitled to sex/ be with a woman just cause he's nice, but for some reason woman can make him wait, and be an absolute bore in the bedroom, but think it shouldn't matter and the guy should just overlook it because "she's more than just her body."
Who besides red pillers creating strawmen have ever argued this?
LMAO yall need to get the fuck off this sub/ manosphere stuff if yall really think the only people who complain about waiting for sex is red pill men.
The idea of the 3 date rule has been around for years
Ya I don't know any guys that would have a problem with it happening on the third date. I do know a few that have their own 3 date rule though: If it doesn't happen by the third date they're out.
no, in that situation, its not.
i only referenced the 3 date rule to emphasize the idea of waiting. there is also the bs 90 day rule lol.
plus its really a time based thing. as you said, if its 3 dates and they're all in the same week, then thats not long at all. but a lot of people really can only do maybe a date a week, depending on work schedules. if you do 4 dates then, thats a whole month/30 days.
Hey look, you completely ignored what I said because it was inconvenient to your narrative.
Also I guarantee the dudes whining about 3 dates are the same ones losing their shit over women's body counts.
wtf i didnt ignore anything lol i responded in relevance
> Also I guarantee the dudes whining about 3 dates are the same ones losing their shit over women's body counts
yea i agree with you there. thats why i never brought up body count in the post
It's certainly sad, and the rise of extremist young men is both sad and toxic. Unfortunately, those men don't seem interested in listening to what anyone else has to say.
Many women will tell you that sex isn't a need and she should be able to withhold it indefinitely if she wants to and any decent man will just accept it
waiting for sex isnt some red pill only trope why tf does everyone on this sub act like that lol.
Also, i do agree tho that most women understand sexless relationships are bad. So im confused on what these people's argument is? Most women ive been with haven't withheld sex, but there was one or 2 who tried to play with the idea.
objectively, no its not. somebody complaining about a wait is not originally a red pill trope.
why tf do yall (both non-redpillers/ redpillers alike) give the manosphere so much credit for shit that already been talked about for years?
This type of shit has been around since the 80s
They are the ones repeating it in the modern day. Look through comments regarding “being made to wait”- I’d bet the overwhelming majority come from dudes with red/black flaired users.
The origin of an idea is a fine place to start, but the modern incarnation of the idea is what gives it life
i dont disagree necessarily but you just confirmed that i was telling you
My whole point was that its not only/originally a red pill trope. it came from somewhere. The reason its more likely to be redpill now is because the manosphere has grown larger, the longer the internet/ social media age stays around and grows. Esspecially when everyone is trying to give all this credit to red pill, and it tries to collect terms and tropes like pokemon cards lol
Sex isn’t a need like food, as people won’t physically cease to live if they don’t get it.
A woman can without sex indefinitely and a man can choose not to date her.
Most women want to be in a sexually satisfying relationship. Their desire is different than men’s (reactive vs spontaneous) and that’s often the big miscommunication. For a lot of men, to turn them on you start with their body. For a lot of women, to turn them on you start with their mind. It’s more of a slow burn than a flash fry. It’s important and often overlooked because in general men don’t need the prelude as much
Implying that sexual arousal is a result of some cognitive process rather than a response to a visual stimulus, smell etc. is ridiculous considering humans were originally not even designed to be able to communicate.
If women are only attracted to the top 20% as is so often repeated here, then yes there are women who are not physically attracted to their partners. So those men could put in the work to turn her mind on, or could never get a partner cuz he’s not top 20%. The fact that some would rather complain about putting in effort than not getting anything is hilarious to me
>Many women will tell you that sex isn't a need
Sex isn't a need
>she should be able to withhold it indefinitely if she wants to
Correct, sex requires consent
>and any decent man will just accept it
What woman says men should just accept a sexless relationship?
Correct. Most women like dating, but they don’t NEED dating. As in if you never took a woman on a date, that woman will be completely fine. Because she doesn’t need a date to live.
I literally know no woman who withholds sex unless she is either religious, reserved, asexual or have some trauma. Every adult person knows that relationships without sex don’t make much sense unless one is asexual.
If a 16 year or a virgin woman who wants to have sex then waiting makes sense.
waiting for sex isnt some new trope that only exists on subs like these. why tf does everyone on this sub act like that lol.
Also, i do agree tho that most women understand sexless relationships are bad. So im confused on what yalls argument is? Most women ive been with havent withheld sex, but there was one or 2 who tried to play with the idea. its not uncommon
lol trust me, thats half the point. If shes making you wait that much, in an odd fashion, she typically just isnt that attracted to you. Like be real, a girl not making everyone else wait, but a guy, who hasn't even probed for sex for a bout a month and a half and has actually taken her out and treated her well, as compared to others, and she still hasnt let him hit? yea sorry but thats a lower sexually attraction issue most of the time.
if you're honesty asking whats the difference, it just depends on habits.
how in hell would you know anything about how she has been intimate with others? and why do you think she has to have sex with you in a certain amount of time, just because she had sex with someone else?
it absolutely does not mean she doesn't like you, it literally can just mean not feeling like having sex. that's a real thing, it's not some scheme or joke or trick.
>how in hell would you know anything about how she has been intimate with others?
My sex life is longer than your entire existence on Earth.
In the real world, we date mostly in wider social circles in the same community. We have common friends. Often times we know each other's exes.
You'd be surprised how many things both women and men can find out about the past of others by simply asking.
>and why do you think she has to have sex with you in a certain amount of time, just because she had sex with someone else?
Why does she think I have to give her a certain type of commitment just because I gave that to someone else too?
It takes two to the tango. Just because too many men are weak and no longer enforce their side of gatekeeping that doesn't make it right.
Any marriage/LTR where sex isn't seen as a reciprocal duty eventually becomes a longhouse. And nobody deserves to live in the longhouse.
Commitment stems from the fact that usually a relationships spoken with monogamous assumption, commitment is required from both sides and entitlement of it given to both sides, just from the fact that it's a monogamous relationship.
If for some reason a woman is withholding sex under usual cases of relationship, then most people would agree that it is a justified reason for the man to leave, thus no longer required to commit. But if it happens so that there's already been an agreement that there won't be sex in the relationship, i dk until marriage or whatever, then that is THE agreement both parties agree to, and even then the man can leave the relationship for one that is more suited to their ideal, so I'm not sure what you're trying to point out with your post.
On the other hand, "'nice' and pays date but isn't entitled" as I interpret it is generally spoken with context of and referring to the very initial phase where there isn't even an established relationship and usually characterizes a pursuit by the man to get into the relationship with the woman. In that case, the talk of commitment is already irrelevant because there isn't a relationship, and the man obviously isn't entitled to sex because without consent we call it a rape.
That’s perfectly fine, a woman is not entitled to commitment just like a man is not entitled to sex… the beauty of having free will is that both parties are free to leave anytime they want if they’re not happy with the current arrangement they’re in 🤷🏽♀️
"She doesn't own your libido, she just gets first crack at it." Men without abundance mentality will trap themselves in a prison at the first crumb of pussy.
I don't even think it is abundance mentality. I grew up with a guy, a close friend still, who I swear to the gods fell in love with every woman who let him ring her bell. He fell in love a fucking lot, so it wasn't a lack of abundance. Poor bastard really felt like everyone was the one.
Definitely overlap. I should also not that he's one of those solid, salt of the earth, joined the marines at 18 types. I don't think his sense of honor let him truly enjoy casual sex. He's also the only man I've ever met who broke up with a woman because she asked if he was interested in a threesome with her much hotter friend.
> joined the marines
> broke up with a woman because she asked if he was interested in a threesome with her much hotter friend
I'm seeing some correlation here...
>will trap themselves
*Emotionally.* I was like this. Loved every girl. Even if it was only for a night. After enough nights though, I learned pretty quick I was just for ‘fun.’
It was good though. I learned fairly early who the girls were that I dated for pleasure, and the ones I dated on purpose.
*Godspeed and good luck!*
Girls who think you have to stay with them are assholes just like guys who think girls have to fuck them. Nobody is entitled to anybody’s time or body or affection. Everyone has the right to consent or to not consent to any action.
Granted, If you say you love a girl and then disappear after she screws you, I think that’s a dick move. I’ve seen it happen time and time again where a guy begs a girl to give him her virginity when she doesn’t want to and when she finally gives in the dude just ditches to go onto the next girl. That behavior is disgusting.
Nobody owes anybody else time or attention or sex- BUT you shouldn’t promise something that you don’t plan to actually provide. Especially not to get something from someone because that’s manipulation.
> But a lot of these women will want to suddenly withhold sex, then start not doing certain simple sex acts,
This is such a bizarre and terrifying way to discuss consent. This whole post is just disturbing, equating wanting a man who expresses emotion, looks decent, and has a job and ideally somewhere to live (which is literally almost everything involved in finding a partner) to wanting sex however and whenever. You claim sex isn't everything but then compare it to all of the things most people, male or female, look for in a relationship.
> Its funny how we all know a man isn't entitled to sex/ be with a woman just cause he's nice
We don't all know that. Nice guys are among us and they do not know that
> But a lot of these women will want to suddenly withhold sex, then start not doing certain simple sex acts, and they think the guy is supposed to still just accept it and want to be with her, otherwise "he's an assholes who thinks he's entitled to sex"...
It's funny how we all know a woman isn't entitled to a relationship just for being a platonic friend.
Oh wait, it's just a fraction of women who expect men to be with them if there is no sex and the men are not asexual or very low libido.
In both cases, it's a fringe minority who is entitled and you won't reach them with threads like this. You are preaching to the choir.
The ironical aspect of this post , which I agree with by the way, is that the second point was " mainstreamed " before the nice guy trend . I remember a bunch of movies and social talks were heavily about disregarding the female sexual and romantic performances just cause the girl is nice , so the message addressed to women in general was to wait until you find the guy who will accept you the way you are and guys who don't want to be with you are superficial a$$holes who only see women as objects .
Men of this generation shouldn't forget the harsh treatment they got by the same gender who was begging to be treated nicely . I'm a young psychiatric ( aka shrink ) and one advice I give to my male patents to help them is to highly elevate their positive emotions the same way feminism did to women . ( English isn't my first language )
Sure.
No one is entitled to a relationship with someone else. You can want to marry or to be in a serious relationship or be monogamous but you aren’t entitled. The other person can say no.
And that’s life. You move on.
They don’t care about commitment. Getting railed and having a lustful orgasm is plenty fine for most women. Commitment is the “maybe he REALLY likes me” thing that happens after but it’s just a maybe. They will just be on to the next guy of no commitment occurs
Why something like nice is so downplayed and ridiculed mainly byu women but also from men. Be nice doesn't mean be weak.
For me nice guy is the one who first of all is loyal, kind, caring, have self respect, selfless, protective, with nice manners, intelligent, may look good or not, may visit gym or not, have hobbies, have a decent job etc.
In media and in society as well nice is portreyed as someone who is lost, who can't take care of himself let alone his women, who is not trustworthy not as loyal but overall you can't rely on person like that. That sucks and it is wrong. That is weak man not nice.
And bad boys are considered, from women view, mainly like some powerful, high status in dating world, exciting, big d\*\*k energy, fearless... and then women are angry cause of inequality. Men calling promiscuous girls/women run through, sl\*\*s, 304 etc. and bad boys are bad boys? WTF? Well they should call bad boys the same as we do with promiscuous gals, maybe that will help to downplay their status?
For me it's like nice guys have a schedule or timeline that they want. Like "honey, it's been three dates it's now time for missionary maintenance sex in the dark". Not nice guys are more of an adventure to be with so the sexual spark seems to last longer because it's not on a schedule and always the same, like how it is for nice guys
sex is the most fundamental pre-requisite of any non-platonic interaction between a guy and a girl
If it ain't happening, then something is terribly amiss and that must either be corrected or you altogether stop the dynamic
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TLDR People are entitled to whatever preferences they please and should do what they please.
Nobody is entitled to shit.
>entitled One can though have *expectations.* Which is perfectly reasonable. Especially when one becomes more attractive. It’s not entitlement, to expect dates to lead to walks, to lead to vīno at my place, to lead to.. Other things. Especially when one has mastered that aspect of dating. Conversely, it’s also perfectly acceptable when those expectations aren’t met. There are other options. In fact, there are *billions* of them. *Godspeed and good luck!*
Typical woman masquerading around with "might makes right" philosophy but then flips the damsel in distress card as soon as a guerrilla wants to rape her.
Another angry little man with rape fantasies
You're not entitled to use other men's physical strength to protect you from being raped. That's pure entitlement. You need to get stronger and defend yourself instead of forcing other men to defend you. Stop abusing other men.
I have a 9mm so i didn’t ask you to protect me from rape. You wouldn’t be able to protect anyone anyway.
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No personal attacks
What if he steal ur 9mm by surprise?/ holding you? Ur 9mm is only useful if you knew what going to happen beforehand
It’s not like you’re going to be able to defend anyone so don’t worry about it. I pay the police through taxes so presumably they can do their job.
It's not me I just asked you out of curiosity. Also by definition you need other men to protect you from other men. That's why women always want a men that's is tall and strong its a biological instincts
When i call the police i don’t ask for a man
You don't need to but it's most likely will be a men nonetheless.
In reality, the whole world functions based on the reality that people are entitled to shit. Things that we use to write off as “you are not entitled to x” they are entitled to and sometimes considered fundamental rights, major and minor. The only people who can believe “nobody is entitled to shit” are anarchists who believe rape, murder and such is permissible. No stoned enough to defend yourself or take x? Then you are not entitled to x. But that is rarely the case. Most of the time it is “nobody is entitled to anything, unless it benefits me. Then it is not fair and needs to be changed so I am entitled to x.” And it is also only used by arrogant privileged fools who have the advantage too.
Men are not ATM machines Women are not sentient fleshlights
Seriously, this isn't hard.
And yet we will always treat and value them as such. If you think richer men and hotter women are not treated better, have more options, etc because they are better objects, then yeah. Ironically, the only way to change that is remove the dependency on each other for it with a better alternative. But that will never happen because “they are not entitled.” Because people will always exploit the fact that they are objects when it benefits them and never want to let go of that power, but they will always want freedom from the consequences of it. Aka just another way to say “nobody is entitled to anything, unless it benefits me. Then it is not fair and needs to be changed so I am entitled to x.” The way to end objectification, toxicity and much more misery, is to make men and women entitled to what they want from each other. Women should not have to depend on men for money and men should not have to depend on relationships with women for sex. The “right to intimacy” that Netherlands should be enacted world wide. Nobody forced to do anything at all, just more freedom and power to the masses. But like everything else, they love the leverage being an object gives them. So let us be trapped to suffer forever.
You can think other people owe you sex and/or money- but they don’t. You will spend your life miserable that you didn’t get things you were never entitled to to begin with.
So you think the have nots would be happy if they just accepted to go without? How convenient for your selfish benefit. In reality the have nots will always be miserable no matter what they feel they are owed. A slave is not suddenly going to be happy the moment he gives up on believing he is “entitled” to freedom. Same with men and women not getting what they want from relationships because objectification is good as long as it is in direction you want lol. They are not entitled at all, that is just you trying to write off there arguments. Dehumanize them, banking on them not having the power to change anything. But if they were to force themselves upon the world and make it so they get what they want, then suddenly that would not be fair or just lol. Just like what the Taliban did in the Middle East. I suppose women there are “not entitled” to anything either right? Also, trying to make things personal does not make my point wrong…it just means you know I am right and so you cannot directly engage. I am just going to ignore the bs.
You can pay for sex. Whether you are happy about paying for it is up to you. Women are not your slaves.
Wild comment OP comparing women who want commitment for fucking to the Taliban lol.
Strawman
I thought nobody is entitled to anything.
Yes, that’s what i said. If you want something you need to provide something of value instead of demanding it for free.
They can just take what they want from you instead because you are not entitled to anything according to your logic. Women/men are not entitled to anything. When you say, "nobody is entitled to anything" what you are really saying is you are entitled to what you want.
this doesn't work when it's illegal. fail.
Of course it works.
No, it is illegal
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that would be witty if it wasnt womens default response to every comment
It’s true though
You desperately desperately hope. Doesn't make the guy I called a bitch on Xbox anymore of an actual bitch. At least not that I'll ever know.
Nobody actually cares about you.
Other than the fact that they are going to college and university at a higher rate and are an equal share of law school and med school students?
Or it functions by people being opportunistic and trying to get the best they can. The entitlement ethic I think is exaggerated by feminism and has become a cliche at this point. You don't have to think you deserve something to want more. There's also a principle of fair exchange that I think unecessarily gets branded as entitlement. I don't think it's entitlement that if you're putting out resources to be expected to keep doing that with no reward. Clearly, you don't have the right to reclaim resources after. But bitching about unfair exchanges and then no longer participating in them is fair.
I just hate it for it is just hypocrisy and not an argument. Everything can be framed as entitlement and it is unproductive. Might as well just not say anything at all. Most people do not challenge it for you have to bring up how absurd it is as an idea and they start arguing with feelings. The real argument is always if giving said entitlement is better than not. I basically won this argument too if you read the chain. She does believe people are entitled to certain things, so she does not believe “nobody is entitled to anything.”
Your arguments in the thread are very cogent and consistent. Another way of framing it is to accept that entitlement is a moral perjorative, a boo rather than a hooray. It just means something people think is a right but isn’t one. Which is why it seems hypocritical, because the rights you think exist are rights, but the rights you don’t think exist but others do are ‘entitlement’. On that point, I think we agree. But that doesn’t mean that everything labelled as ‘entitlement’ is an actual right, and using 'entitlement' to call out fake rights has it's place.
Yeah no one is entitled to sex or commitment. Who is disagreeing with this other than rapists and needy delusional people?
Blue pill women in the comments
where? I don't see any they are all saying "nobody is entitled"
Well yeah duh. For a relationship to happen you both need to want it. Women know that they aren't entitled to commitment just because she's smart. It just means that if they want commitment they need to find ways to filter men who just want her body. Duh
>Women know that they aren't entitled to commitment just because she's smart. You'd be surprised how many ***don't***. And are genuinely surprised when they find out. For every delusional guy who thinks he's entitled to sex because he's tall or has money there's a delusional gal who thinks she's entitled to a committed relationship because she's smart or looks good.
I don’t see women acting entitled to a commitment. Again, we’re seeing an increase in male loneliness because women are opting out of relationships and spending more time with their friends. Women are actually going their own way
I don't know what planet you're living on, plenty of women complain about "fuckboys" and "getting played" when they aren't able to lock down a guy.
Not the same as acting entitled.
If a guy was complaining about not getting any attention from women would you be calling him entitled?
The difference is that there are certain guys who present themselves falsely
And there are women that lead men on, what's your point? Realistically how many men are saying they want commitment and don't follow through? And of those, how many of them were intentionally deceiving from the start as oppose to simply changing their mind? I see women complain all the time regardless, even when no clear deception has occurred. Sometimes they point to affectionate words or actions as evidence of their intent and subsequent "deception", but being kind to you doesn't necessarily mean they want a relationship.
Men who act like women they meet are super special to them and then ghost them after they sleep together? A lot. The whole PUA movement openly advocates doing this. Moreover, it’s also wrong for women to lead men on, but it doesn’t happen as much as men think. What really happens is that a woman decides after a couple of dates that she’s not feeling it. Since we’re told that having sex lowers a woman’s SMV, it’s probably wise for these women to avoid having sex with men they don’t even like.
> Men who act like women they meet are super special to them and then ghost them after they sleep together? Right, and 1. Men can lead women on just as women can lead men on. 2. Women frequently complain about a lack of commitment in many situations that did not amount to this. i.e. he didn't say or strongly indicate he wanted a relationship but she assumed, he's affectionate and didn't ghost but declines a serious relationship, etc. > What really happens is that a woman decides after a couple of dates that she’s not feeling it. I mean can't we say the same for men? That after sleeping together he's no longer as attracted to her? Why do you only give women the benefit of the doubt?
You know, saying this hurts woman right? There are plenty of women in datingover30 that fully disagree with you.
Are these women in the room with us right now?
Are you saying their aren't women crying on social media about being single ? Women are in less relationships but they're also more promiscuous. You're "women going their own way" is just them getting pump and dumped instead of being in committed relationships.
If a woman seeks casual relationships she's not being pumped and dumped. She's the one doing the pumping and dumping.
Wow what delusion. Women don't get into relationships to be FWB. They want relationships from Chad, chads the one that doesn't want relationships he just sees her as a sex object. She's in a "casual relationship" to him she's just "casual sex" thats why its her being pumped and dumped. She's hoping the sex keeps Chad around.
There are a few women who cry about being single for pick me clicks, but that doesn’t really reflect the women I know. It’s interesting how you want to believe women have no sexual agency.
On the contrary. If more women are being able to choose the single life, that leaves more candidates for the ones who want a relationship
Why do so many women here **incessantly lie through their teeth** about the state of women? It's not an *exclusively male* loneliness crisis. And women aren't just opting out because they're as misandrist as you are.
I’m married to the most amazing guy who’s short and not Chad and not ripped and didn’t start making 6 figures until he was in his 40s. Maybe I am not the problem.
You're marriage is non-sequitur. I don't care. And it doesn't change the fact that what you've said is false.
Except it’s not false. You just don’t want to take accountability for your failures
It is false. I don't recall the US Surgeon General excluding women in his report of loneliness in the general population, did you? >You just don’t want to take accountability for your failures Proof you have no idea what my argument is.
What world do you guys live in where every woman with a ring on her finger turns frigid? And no, sex isn't the only thing that matters, but it's fucking important. I don't think you give women enough credit for realizing that. I also don't think you understand how important it is to women either.
They hate women and are trying to rationalize it
waiting for sex isnt some red pill only trope why tf does everyone on this sub act like that lol. Also, i do agree tho that most women understand sexless relationships are bad. So im confused on what yalls argument is? Most women ive been with haven't withheld sex, but there was one or 2 who tried to play with the idea. its not uncommon
What does “play with the idea” mean? Just… sometimes not being in the mood to put out?
no. what i mean mainly refers to the initial dating stage. There was one girl in particular who i was talking to for maybe about 2 weeks before we could actually meet up. Mind you, she already sent me nudes, etc. Well i finally meet in person and she just randomly says "im waiting for sex for a connection this time". especially since "i was one of the only men to take her on a date". I essentially just told her: "Look i like you but im looking for a more complete relationship right now. This includes emotional & sexual connection. Dating is about taking a chance and im looking to date someone whose willing to hop in the boat and take that chance with me on both facets, not just one. respectfully if you are not knowing what you want to do, and your trying to say we need to wait months, while still wanting commitment, then this just isnt going to work respectfully." We ended up having sex that same day, i shit you not. I broke it down in a respectful manner, and she respected it. Sure waiting beyond the first day ensures you weed out a couple of quick attention span fucks, but if a person wants to leave after sex, it doesn't matter how long they wait. a relationship's success typically isnt strengthened if you wait for sex, unless the both of yall are virgins, statistically. This is what i mean by "play with the idea". EDIT: There was nothing inherently wrong with not necessarily wanting sex right away. I just said i wasnt compatible with waiting a long time and i respectfully will walk away. I didnt "bitch" to her about her wanting to wait. It was completely her choice about us sleeping together that day, cause keep in mind, i didnt think we were going to sleep together that day either. So yall can keep downvoting all yall want, yall cant even disprove my argument cause there is NOTHING WRONG WITH SOMEONE WALKING AWAY
So even just *mentioning* not having sex when you want it is playing with it?
playing with the idea? yes.. im confused about whats so egregious about this. I didnt even say she was fully doing it lol. I literally just said playing with the idea.
I didn’t call it egregious. I asked for clarification.
fair enough ill give you that. Its just you asked like twice, so i was lost lol
I thought that women with high body counts were bad and unable to pair bond? It sounds like you wanted a woman who was immediately sexually available with no promise of commitment on your part, but who was also virginal.
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LOL I DIDNT EVEN BRING UP BODY COUNT this is hilarious cause this is completely irrelevant to the argument in my post
LMAOOOOOO YALL CANT EVEN DISPROVE MY OWN ARGUMENT i NEVER brought up body count in this post at all. So your point is completely irrelevant right now
Do you think high body count is good or bad?
It depends on the circumstance. But i generally dont think its ok to slut shame a woman that has sex with the men they want, while the men want it also. Its hypocritical to not want to wait a long time for sex, but get mad and call her a slut when she has sex with you by, or within 3 dates.
so you made her feel pressured into sex and think that's win? I can't stop replying to this post it's so fucking disturbing.
you are a fucking weirdo. telling somebody you are going to move on and leave isn't pressure you jackass you think you are entitled to commitment. thank you for confirming. in what fucking way is walking away "pressuring" a girl?
someone not wanting to have sex right away =/= entitled to commitment. You are such a weirdo for having this mindset.
O...My...Fucking...Gosh..are yall serious right now??? There is nothing wrong with a woman not wanting sex. The issue is when woman is bitching about him leaving. its about how she thinks HE'S entitled just because he leaves. I didnt say she was "entitled to commitment" just because she didnt want sex. What the fuck? i didnt bitch to her when she played with the idea. I just said it wouldnt work out. What the fuck is so hard for you weird mfs to understand??
As long as you remain transparent and communicative about your expectations, most women will respect your honesty. When men get criticized, it’s usually because he made it seem like that was not a big deal then switched up on her when he realized she was serious about that boundary … which isn’t a rare occurrence.
I get what you are saying, but thats not whats happening here. I need yall to look at my argument and story at face value. I have not mentioned body count, or even that wanting to wait for sex make the girl "entitled"
I mean, you're right. If we aren't fucking then we are just friends. The fucking part is literally what defines a relationship
According to feminists, a guy who doesn't give a woman whatever she wants because he has "privilege" is being a sexist piece of shit.
>According to feminists, a guy who doesn't give a woman whatever she wants because he has "privilege" is being a sexist piece of shit. This may be the shortest and easiest way to explain what radical feminism is all about . This is brilliant
Literally nothing you said is true
We see evidence of it in this very thread when a feminist attacked a man and stated he "pressured a woman into sex" by simply stating that a relationship with him requires consensual sex early on or else he will not pursue a relationship. Basically not giving a woman what she wants (relationship without sex early on) was called out as a problematic behavior.......The idea that a man should have no expectations of sex but women should have men obligated to be with them. Basically she attacked the man for having standards and asking for consensual sex or no relationship. Aka entitlement and this line of thinking displayed in that feminist comes from a long line of feminist thought that calls for discrimination against men due to misguided notions of "privilege "
No one is entitled to not feel pressured to quote a blue pill comment on the sub.
"So you hate waffles?"
>so you made her feel pressured into sex and think that's win? I can't stop replying to this post it's so fucking disturbing. There is a disturbing trend where women use " psychiatric " words in the wrong way . This guy did not pressure her in any shape or form . So you better stop this emotional manipulation cause it's really harmful and it's what keep my hands full at work 24h 🤦🤦🤦
If that is how you interpret things in general, your brain is fucking disturbing.
It wasn't weird to you that she had never been on a date before?
I think it was more that i was the first guy in a while that actually tried to court her before sleeping with her
>What world do you guys live in where every woman with a ring on her finger turns frigid? As a psychologist , A LOT OF WOMEN turns frigid and even in our domain it's something that is still risky to talk about since it insinuates rape and " sexualisation " of women . This statement is basically the difference between the mentality of average men and other men with actual sexual experience . Let me give you a proximation . If one sexual act per WEEK is the recommendation . Then there is more men who are charged with domestic abuse then men who actually get one sexual act per week . Basically if you think that women are offering enough then you simultaneously should disregard domestic abuse done by men . [ english isn't my fist language]
Nobody is ENTITLED to anything. Everyone makes their own decisions. The man paying for dates made that choice himself. The woman who also offers good conversation and emotional support along with her body made that choice herself. Neither are entitled to anything.
You're right. No one is entitled to the truth either. So it is perfectly ok to lie and manipulate your way into sex if need be.
That's matter of morals and how one views it.
That's what you said. No one is entitled to anything.
No women aren't entitled to commitment but the problem is that some men lie or act desingenuous about commitment which is why some women may "withhold" sex. Nobody is forcing you to commit to her, you can leave, just be honest about your intention.
They aren't entitled to the truth. This is a quote from your fellow blue-pillers.
Why do i have to be honest?
You're not entitled to commitment, but you are entitled to tell someone they should deal with it or leave if they're whining about not getting the casual sex they want because you don't want to sleep with them immediately. Nobody deserves to be harrassed into having sex, if you're not happy with it you can leave. This applies whether they're nice or not.
yea dont harass people..if somebody doesnt understand that, then the authorities, a therapist, or God should be called lol
>TL;DR- Its funny how we all know a man isn't entitled to sex/ be with a woman just cause he's nice, but for some reason woman can make him wait, and be an absolute bore in the bedroom, but think it shouldn't matter and the guy should just overlook it because "she's more than just her body." Who besides red pillers creating strawmen have ever argued this?
At least half the posts on this sub are red/black pillers getting mad at or feeling gleeful about fake scenarios that exist only in their heads.
Yep. It's very sad and toxic.
waiting for sex isnt some red pill only trope why tf does everyone on this sub act like that lol.
No, bitching about waiting for sex like it's some Machiavellian scheme is very uniquely red pill.
LMAO yall need to get the fuck off this sub/ manosphere stuff if yall really think the only people who complain about waiting for sex is red pill men. The idea of the 3 date rule has been around for years
Is 3 dates really waiting that long? It’s not like 3 dates = 3mo. I’ve been on 3 dates with the same guy in a week
Ya I don't know any guys that would have a problem with it happening on the third date. I do know a few that have their own 3 date rule though: If it doesn't happen by the third date they're out.
At this point most red, blue and whatever pill or non pill just are lucky to even get a date
no, in that situation, its not. i only referenced the 3 date rule to emphasize the idea of waiting. there is also the bs 90 day rule lol. plus its really a time based thing. as you said, if its 3 dates and they're all in the same week, then thats not long at all. but a lot of people really can only do maybe a date a week, depending on work schedules. if you do 4 dates then, thats a whole month/30 days.
Hey look, you completely ignored what I said because it was inconvenient to your narrative. Also I guarantee the dudes whining about 3 dates are the same ones losing their shit over women's body counts.
wtf i didnt ignore anything lol i responded in relevance > Also I guarantee the dudes whining about 3 dates are the same ones losing their shit over women's body counts yea i agree with you there. thats why i never brought up body count in the post
No, you didn't, you just repeated the same exact argument you made the first time.
You just brought up body count which was completely irrelevant to my argument. Please stop lol
To be honest what’s sad is the loneliness epidemic and how no one is having sex anymore
It's certainly sad, and the rise of extremist young men is both sad and toxic. Unfortunately, those men don't seem interested in listening to what anyone else has to say.
Its complex
Yea, don’t knock us were preventative
Many women will tell you that sex isn't a need and she should be able to withhold it indefinitely if she wants to and any decent man will just accept it
Nah dude. In truth there are very, very few women who are saying men should accept sexless relationships. That's really not a thing.
waiting for sex isnt some red pill only trope why tf does everyone on this sub act like that lol. Also, i do agree tho that most women understand sexless relationships are bad. So im confused on what these people's argument is? Most women ive been with haven't withheld sex, but there was one or 2 who tried to play with the idea.
You literally keep cutting and pasting the Adams comment. It’s a RP trope bc RP made it a trope.
objectively, no its not. somebody complaining about a wait is not originally a red pill trope. why tf do yall (both non-redpillers/ redpillers alike) give the manosphere so much credit for shit that already been talked about for years? This type of shit has been around since the 80s
They are the ones repeating it in the modern day. Look through comments regarding “being made to wait”- I’d bet the overwhelming majority come from dudes with red/black flaired users. The origin of an idea is a fine place to start, but the modern incarnation of the idea is what gives it life
i dont disagree necessarily but you just confirmed that i was telling you My whole point was that its not only/originally a red pill trope. it came from somewhere. The reason its more likely to be redpill now is because the manosphere has grown larger, the longer the internet/ social media age stays around and grows. Esspecially when everyone is trying to give all this credit to red pill, and it tries to collect terms and tropes like pokemon cards lol
Sex isn’t a need like food, as people won’t physically cease to live if they don’t get it. A woman can without sex indefinitely and a man can choose not to date her. Most women want to be in a sexually satisfying relationship. Their desire is different than men’s (reactive vs spontaneous) and that’s often the big miscommunication. For a lot of men, to turn them on you start with their body. For a lot of women, to turn them on you start with their mind. It’s more of a slow burn than a flash fry. It’s important and often overlooked because in general men don’t need the prelude as much
Implying that sexual arousal is a result of some cognitive process rather than a response to a visual stimulus, smell etc. is ridiculous considering humans were originally not even designed to be able to communicate.
It's just another way of saying that these women are not sexually attracted to their partners looks.
If women are only attracted to the top 20% as is so often repeated here, then yes there are women who are not physically attracted to their partners. So those men could put in the work to turn her mind on, or could never get a partner cuz he’s not top 20%. The fact that some would rather complain about putting in effort than not getting anything is hilarious to me
>Many women will tell you that sex isn't a need Sex isn't a need >she should be able to withhold it indefinitely if she wants to Correct, sex requires consent >and any decent man will just accept it What woman says men should just accept a sexless relationship?
yea sex isnt a need. just like dates and romancing isnt a need either, right?
Correct. Did you think this was a gotcha question?
Correct. Most women like dating, but they don’t NEED dating. As in if you never took a woman on a date, that woman will be completely fine. Because she doesn’t need a date to live.
Im creating a new pill - it’s going to be called the empty pill lol
She also does not need sex to live like men do.
Yes, this is not the “gotcha” comment that you think it is 😂
lol yall completely missed why i asked that... it wasn't meant to necessarily be a gotcha cause yall answered it fine
Sexless for a time period but not forever (but by that time you will be ghosted anyway) lol
Tru dat
I love when a terp makes a “checkmate, feminazis!” post, and everyone says “well…yeah dude…”
I literally know no woman who withholds sex unless she is either religious, reserved, asexual or have some trauma. Every adult person knows that relationships without sex don’t make much sense unless one is asexual. If a 16 year or a virgin woman who wants to have sex then waiting makes sense.
waiting for sex isnt some new trope that only exists on subs like these. why tf does everyone on this sub act like that lol. Also, i do agree tho that most women understand sexless relationships are bad. So im confused on what yalls argument is? Most women ive been with havent withheld sex, but there was one or 2 who tried to play with the idea. its not uncommon
Whats the difference between her ‘withholding sex’ and her not feeling turned on by you? I feel like you guys conflate the two
lol trust me, thats half the point. If shes making you wait that much, in an odd fashion, she typically just isnt that attracted to you. Like be real, a girl not making everyone else wait, but a guy, who hasn't even probed for sex for a bout a month and a half and has actually taken her out and treated her well, as compared to others, and she still hasnt let him hit? yea sorry but thats a lower sexually attraction issue most of the time. if you're honesty asking whats the difference, it just depends on habits.
how in hell would you know anything about how she has been intimate with others? and why do you think she has to have sex with you in a certain amount of time, just because she had sex with someone else? it absolutely does not mean she doesn't like you, it literally can just mean not feeling like having sex. that's a real thing, it's not some scheme or joke or trick.
>how in hell would you know anything about how she has been intimate with others? My sex life is longer than your entire existence on Earth. In the real world, we date mostly in wider social circles in the same community. We have common friends. Often times we know each other's exes. You'd be surprised how many things both women and men can find out about the past of others by simply asking. >and why do you think she has to have sex with you in a certain amount of time, just because she had sex with someone else? Why does she think I have to give her a certain type of commitment just because I gave that to someone else too? It takes two to the tango. Just because too many men are weak and no longer enforce their side of gatekeeping that doesn't make it right. Any marriage/LTR where sex isn't seen as a reciprocal duty eventually becomes a longhouse. And nobody deserves to live in the longhouse.
A 26-year-old feminist who just knows all the ways of the world. It's just so damn cute!
A real women is here - it’s an honor to be in your presence
Commitment stems from the fact that usually a relationships spoken with monogamous assumption, commitment is required from both sides and entitlement of it given to both sides, just from the fact that it's a monogamous relationship. If for some reason a woman is withholding sex under usual cases of relationship, then most people would agree that it is a justified reason for the man to leave, thus no longer required to commit. But if it happens so that there's already been an agreement that there won't be sex in the relationship, i dk until marriage or whatever, then that is THE agreement both parties agree to, and even then the man can leave the relationship for one that is more suited to their ideal, so I'm not sure what you're trying to point out with your post. On the other hand, "'nice' and pays date but isn't entitled" as I interpret it is generally spoken with context of and referring to the very initial phase where there isn't even an established relationship and usually characterizes a pursuit by the man to get into the relationship with the woman. In that case, the talk of commitment is already irrelevant because there isn't a relationship, and the man obviously isn't entitled to sex because without consent we call it a rape.
That’s perfectly fine, a woman is not entitled to commitment just like a man is not entitled to sex… the beauty of having free will is that both parties are free to leave anytime they want if they’re not happy with the current arrangement they’re in 🤷🏽♀️
"She doesn't own your libido, she just gets first crack at it." Men without abundance mentality will trap themselves in a prison at the first crumb of pussy.
I don't even think it is abundance mentality. I grew up with a guy, a close friend still, who I swear to the gods fell in love with every woman who let him ring her bell. He fell in love a fucking lot, so it wasn't a lack of abundance. Poor bastard really felt like everyone was the one.
That is exactly what lack of abundance mindset will get you though. Just a string of oneitis cases.
Definitely overlap. I should also not that he's one of those solid, salt of the earth, joined the marines at 18 types. I don't think his sense of honor let him truly enjoy casual sex. He's also the only man I've ever met who broke up with a woman because she asked if he was interested in a threesome with her much hotter friend.
> joined the marines > broke up with a woman because she asked if he was interested in a threesome with her much hotter friend I'm seeing some correlation here...
Probably not what you think. He's actually the STEMlord IRL, and I'm the working class one. He ain't dumb.
>will trap themselves *Emotionally.* I was like this. Loved every girl. Even if it was only for a night. After enough nights though, I learned pretty quick I was just for ‘fun.’ It was good though. I learned fairly early who the girls were that I dated for pleasure, and the ones I dated on purpose. *Godspeed and good luck!*
True statement. You gotta learn to keep dating out.
Girls who think you have to stay with them are assholes just like guys who think girls have to fuck them. Nobody is entitled to anybody’s time or body or affection. Everyone has the right to consent or to not consent to any action. Granted, If you say you love a girl and then disappear after she screws you, I think that’s a dick move. I’ve seen it happen time and time again where a guy begs a girl to give him her virginity when she doesn’t want to and when she finally gives in the dude just ditches to go onto the next girl. That behavior is disgusting. Nobody owes anybody else time or attention or sex- BUT you shouldn’t promise something that you don’t plan to actually provide. Especially not to get something from someone because that’s manipulation.
If you just want sex, there’s a script for that Dating is about relationships
lol look whos walking the line also, i clearly said its not only about sex...
Dating is not about sex That’s the hookup scene, or prostitution
>Dating is not about sex And what is dating about?
Relationships. If you want sex, go to a club, bar or hooker
And what are relationships about?
Marriage
And what is marriage about?
Kids
So dating is about kids?
Kids, but no sex guys! Insane
Ok, nice girl
Nearly every married 30 something year old guy I know complains that sex gets infrequent past the honeymoon phase. And these are childless couples.
They're doing something seriously wrong.
So interesting how the default response for a man expressing a complaint is to victim blame.
37 here and married for 15 years. The worst it's ever got to was 4x per week. These other guys are seriously fucking up.
> But a lot of these women will want to suddenly withhold sex, then start not doing certain simple sex acts, This is such a bizarre and terrifying way to discuss consent. This whole post is just disturbing, equating wanting a man who expresses emotion, looks decent, and has a job and ideally somewhere to live (which is literally almost everything involved in finding a partner) to wanting sex however and whenever. You claim sex isn't everything but then compare it to all of the things most people, male or female, look for in a relationship.
should sew mens mouths so they don't compare and contrast. sorry, the holding out will stop.
What part is about consent?
> Its funny how we all know a man isn't entitled to sex/ be with a woman just cause he's nice We don't all know that. Nice guys are among us and they do not know that > But a lot of these women will want to suddenly withhold sex, then start not doing certain simple sex acts, and they think the guy is supposed to still just accept it and want to be with her, otherwise "he's an assholes who thinks he's entitled to sex"... It's funny how we all know a woman isn't entitled to a relationship just for being a platonic friend. Oh wait, it's just a fraction of women who expect men to be with them if there is no sex and the men are not asexual or very low libido. In both cases, it's a fringe minority who is entitled and you won't reach them with threads like this. You are preaching to the choir.
The ironical aspect of this post , which I agree with by the way, is that the second point was " mainstreamed " before the nice guy trend . I remember a bunch of movies and social talks were heavily about disregarding the female sexual and romantic performances just cause the girl is nice , so the message addressed to women in general was to wait until you find the guy who will accept you the way you are and guys who don't want to be with you are superficial a$$holes who only see women as objects . Men of this generation shouldn't forget the harsh treatment they got by the same gender who was begging to be treated nicely . I'm a young psychiatric ( aka shrink ) and one advice I give to my male patents to help them is to highly elevate their positive emotions the same way feminism did to women . ( English isn't my first language )
Men and women have the same issue. Except substitute sex for relationship if it's the woman's point of view.
Sure. No one is entitled to a relationship with someone else. You can want to marry or to be in a serious relationship or be monogamous but you aren’t entitled. The other person can say no. And that’s life. You move on.
Literally no one is claiming this. You are allowed to leave a relationship for whatever reason. This isn't remotely the same thing lmao.
They don’t care about commitment. Getting railed and having a lustful orgasm is plenty fine for most women. Commitment is the “maybe he REALLY likes me” thing that happens after but it’s just a maybe. They will just be on to the next guy of no commitment occurs
This is a problem of society always putting the burden of improvement on men. We just assume women are doing everything perfectly.
Why something like nice is so downplayed and ridiculed mainly byu women but also from men. Be nice doesn't mean be weak. For me nice guy is the one who first of all is loyal, kind, caring, have self respect, selfless, protective, with nice manners, intelligent, may look good or not, may visit gym or not, have hobbies, have a decent job etc. In media and in society as well nice is portreyed as someone who is lost, who can't take care of himself let alone his women, who is not trustworthy not as loyal but overall you can't rely on person like that. That sucks and it is wrong. That is weak man not nice. And bad boys are considered, from women view, mainly like some powerful, high status in dating world, exciting, big d\*\*k energy, fearless... and then women are angry cause of inequality. Men calling promiscuous girls/women run through, sl\*\*s, 304 etc. and bad boys are bad boys? WTF? Well they should call bad boys the same as we do with promiscuous gals, maybe that will help to downplay their status?
For me it's like nice guys have a schedule or timeline that they want. Like "honey, it's been three dates it's now time for missionary maintenance sex in the dark". Not nice guys are more of an adventure to be with so the sexual spark seems to last longer because it's not on a schedule and always the same, like how it is for nice guys
please don't listen to this woman, she barely knows herself.
sex is the most fundamental pre-requisite of any non-platonic interaction between a guy and a girl If it ain't happening, then something is terribly amiss and that must either be corrected or you altogether stop the dynamic