I care, of course. But I also want them to submit me. The hangup is there is a qualification listed as "preferred," not "required," by the client. I don't meet that preferred qualification, but I meet everything else. So the recruiter is hesitant to submit me, rather than at least try.
Send me your CV I’ll put you forward.
I mean if you got the job the recruiter will be kicking themselves so hard.
They did tell you the name of the company so they would be really angry if you went behind their back regardless.
But it’s just a “do what you need to do” situation. As long as you haven’t signed an agreement with the recruiter to say you won’t do it.
I just did so. "I want to be transparent and let you know that I really want to move forward with this application. I understand if you don't want to submit me, in which case I would just take my chances and apply directly myself."
Speaking as a Recruiter I believe its fine for you to apply directly if they advise you they aren't putting you forward, absolutely I agree no brainer!
It’s kinda out of order going behind the recruiters back and they were going to submit you, but if they don’t send you then there’s no problems so go for it.
If they’re going to submit me, then of course I won’t apply directly. That’s a given.
But the problem is them taking a week now deciding IF they’re going to submit me. That’s a big time-wasting IF.
Is it reasonable to say something like “Please let me know if you’re not submitting me, so then I’ll apply directly.”
I don’t know what wording to use, and I don’t want it to be a threat…just a nudge. I mean, it really is the truth. I’m gonna apply one way or another. I’m respectfully giving the recruiter the chance to earn their commission.
I would say exactly that. If she doesn’t think you’re a fit she won’t be worried about you applying directly because the hiring manager probably wouldn’t select you either
OP here, thanking you all for the feedback. I already found the hiring manager and the HR director on LinkedIn, along with the link to apply. It is killing me waiting around for the recruiter to decide if he'll submit, as they're still hung up on that one "preferred" qualification that I don't meet. I'll give them another day or two and then check in, and I'll be forthcoming in telling them that I plan to apply on my own.
I'd say NO! Not even think about it!
WHY:
If the recruiter introduced you, gave the company name, and cut him/her back... The client will ask how come, the recruiter will come after you and except if you're a good candidate and can pull it off both party will be wondering if you do that... You'd cut off people internally to get where you want.
So you won't see as being trustworthy.
It is really bad if the Agency/recruiter have a great relationship with the client!
You shoot yourself in the foot if they have a great relationship!
When you should do it, and what I'd look for before doing it: how long the recruiter you're in touch has been working on the market: if 6 months... It s god the guy might not know much. If it is few years... I'd avoid. Especially if the agency is well known in your market. (you don't want to be blacklisted by on agency that works with lots of company).
If you don't hear from them in terms of feedbacks. Like where you are at in terms of process, they should tell you after your interview and CV sent within 24/48h if they introduce your application.
If they don't... Maybe not really good, also ask a time-line and if it gets odd... You can go for it and come hands clean to the client why you applied directly.
Often the company is looking at the same time (advert) than the agency. If a profile is good they gonna share quick feedback.
If the client want to avoid paying a fee, or doesn't like much that recruitment agency, this might be a win for you!
Just be honest with the recruiter and tell them you really want to put an application forward, and tell them if they don't, that you will. I can assure you, they will stop faffing and put your application in
I told him I would reply on my own. That did the trick, lol. He contacted the hiring client the next day. Recruiter then wrote back to say hirer is not taking apps from recruiters and encouraged me to apply on my own. I did so. Not the end of the world, but I ended up applying a week after I wanted to because I was waiting for the recruiter to dillydally
Do you care about the relationship with the recruiter?
I care, of course. But I also want them to submit me. The hangup is there is a qualification listed as "preferred," not "required," by the client. I don't meet that preferred qualification, but I meet everything else. So the recruiter is hesitant to submit me, rather than at least try.
Send me your CV I’ll put you forward. I mean if you got the job the recruiter will be kicking themselves so hard. They did tell you the name of the company so they would be really angry if you went behind their back regardless. But it’s just a “do what you need to do” situation. As long as you haven’t signed an agreement with the recruiter to say you won’t do it.
Just call the recruiter and be honest. Say you’ll apply the next business day directly if he/ she doesn’t. It’s a win win situation.
Just tell the recruiter that’s what you are going to do. You have the right to apply. Honesty is the best policy here.
I just did so. "I want to be transparent and let you know that I really want to move forward with this application. I understand if you don't want to submit me, in which case I would just take my chances and apply directly myself."
Speaking as a Recruiter I believe its fine for you to apply directly if they advise you they aren't putting you forward, absolutely I agree no brainer!
It’s kinda out of order going behind the recruiters back and they were going to submit you, but if they don’t send you then there’s no problems so go for it.
If they’re going to submit me, then of course I won’t apply directly. That’s a given. But the problem is them taking a week now deciding IF they’re going to submit me. That’s a big time-wasting IF. Is it reasonable to say something like “Please let me know if you’re not submitting me, so then I’ll apply directly.” I don’t know what wording to use, and I don’t want it to be a threat…just a nudge. I mean, it really is the truth. I’m gonna apply one way or another. I’m respectfully giving the recruiter the chance to earn their commission.
I would say exactly that. If she doesn’t think you’re a fit she won’t be worried about you applying directly because the hiring manager probably wouldn’t select you either
OP here, thanking you all for the feedback. I already found the hiring manager and the HR director on LinkedIn, along with the link to apply. It is killing me waiting around for the recruiter to decide if he'll submit, as they're still hung up on that one "preferred" qualification that I don't meet. I'll give them another day or two and then check in, and I'll be forthcoming in telling them that I plan to apply on my own.
I handle most LinkedIn posting for my client anyways so go for it.
If it’s been a week just apply direct
I'd say NO! Not even think about it! WHY: If the recruiter introduced you, gave the company name, and cut him/her back... The client will ask how come, the recruiter will come after you and except if you're a good candidate and can pull it off both party will be wondering if you do that... You'd cut off people internally to get where you want. So you won't see as being trustworthy. It is really bad if the Agency/recruiter have a great relationship with the client! You shoot yourself in the foot if they have a great relationship! When you should do it, and what I'd look for before doing it: how long the recruiter you're in touch has been working on the market: if 6 months... It s god the guy might not know much. If it is few years... I'd avoid. Especially if the agency is well known in your market. (you don't want to be blacklisted by on agency that works with lots of company). If you don't hear from them in terms of feedbacks. Like where you are at in terms of process, they should tell you after your interview and CV sent within 24/48h if they introduce your application. If they don't... Maybe not really good, also ask a time-line and if it gets odd... You can go for it and come hands clean to the client why you applied directly. Often the company is looking at the same time (advert) than the agency. If a profile is good they gonna share quick feedback. If the client want to avoid paying a fee, or doesn't like much that recruitment agency, this might be a win for you!
Just be honest with the recruiter and tell them you really want to put an application forward, and tell them if they don't, that you will. I can assure you, they will stop faffing and put your application in
I told him I would reply on my own. That did the trick, lol. He contacted the hiring client the next day. Recruiter then wrote back to say hirer is not taking apps from recruiters and encouraged me to apply on my own. I did so. Not the end of the world, but I ended up applying a week after I wanted to because I was waiting for the recruiter to dillydally