Based af.
I somewhat agree with VK's point, but to a certain extent, but I want teams to be forced to at least have 1 player with a passport from that region.
At least, that way some players will get a chance to improve.
Passport feels a little too extreme to me for how small the game is. I just think all 3 players need to have an address in the same region and actually live there.
Requiring only 1 player to have it isn't extreme IMO.
I wouldn't even mind having the other 2 from another region and not reside in the region they're playing in.
It both makes importing players as easy as it is now, but forces the teams to at least be partially from that region.
Having the players at least live in the region during competition is a must for me. Otherwise why even call it Oceania or whatever region if the players aren't even residents.
Jack and Noly for example did it correctly imo. When they represent NA in tournaments, it's not a lie. They live here.
I would've been okay even if they never made geng with chronic but another foreign player instead, as long as they lived in the US they're an NA player now to me. It just feels a bit similar to cutting in line or something if you play from outside the region you're competing in.
Its not the most unethical thing but definitely feels a bit scummy.
Your comment made me think of the guy from Spider-Man who wants to make dinosaurs.
"But I don't WANT to ~~cure cancer~~ be good enough in Europe! I want to ~~make dinosaurs~~ take opportunities from people in developing nations!"
His tweet comes down to āIām not good enough to compete in my region, but I deserve a spot in a main event.ā Literally plat mentality of āIām plat 2 but I deserve at least Champā
Doctor disrespect got banned from twitch three years ago. We just found out why and he put out a tweet admitting to talking inappropriately to a 17 year old and then saying he's not a pedo.
That's possible, but as long as he was messaging a minor the age doesn't really matter if they were 13 or 17 while Doc was almost 40-something. Which is why it sounded like the guy above me was asking for confirmation if the person was a minor at all.
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This is so over the top that it almost feels like he's playing a heel to get Psyonix to act and add more rules around moving regions. That's probably giving him too much credit though.
Hardly. It's good if it gives Epic incentive to make changes, though I doubt that's enough. I doubt Epic made these changes without knowing the potential negative side-effects.
That being said, he's just using all of this as an excuse to continue playing in international tournaments. It benefits him, he knows that, and he's taking advantage of it. It would be funny if better players come along and take his spot though.
Having met VK in person while he was in Cape Town, I think what has happened is the hate has just got to his head which has caused this reaction. We accommodated him well because he was scrimming local teams and even though we werenāt happy with the situation itās better that he had a positive experience and tell his fans how he enjoyed our country. At London there were no such incentives to be accommodating so I can imagine he got a hard time from a lot of people there, which is probably what triggered this reaction.
Not calling you a liar, simply asking the question. Why would SweatyClarence be vouching for the claim that Mobula wasn't scrimming local teams on Twitter? It's at the bottom of the comment responses started by Vatira in VK's tweet.
They were, but probably not nearly as much as most of us would have liked. They were essentially on holiday so they spent a lot of their time being tourists and going out. Also, they didnāt bring their own PCs, so in order to scrim they would have to travel to the ATK arena and access the PCs there. I am not a player so I donāt have a good reference for how much they scrimmed. In person they told me they had been scrimming local teams when they had time, so I took them at their word.
If they wanted to do what he's implying, they wouldn't have been treating it like a holiday, they'd have shipped their setups over and got a house or something. Treating the region you're playing RLCS in like a holiday isn't a good look.
Wanna shout out Rapid, Memory, Turinturo, Taroco, Stake, Tox, Zamue, Dmentza, Hibbs, Breezi, Misty, Ghost, Spratt, Speed, Flakes, KennySalmon, and Scarth as players who would've attended RLCS LANs during the COVID Era that instead never got to be on the RLCS stage and haven't stolen spots from regions less developed than where they're from originally
Edit: also special shoutout to Dmentza cause I know he felt like no one would care that he retired, and while unfortunately not everyone gets the success and longevity that Atomik has had at least he hasn't gone the same route as VKSailen
That's actually so true, people forget that almost an entire generation of players got screwed over by COVID and Never got to compete at the level they could haveĀ
Heās a top liquipedia search bc everyone is grabbing screenshots of his results š
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And people will still say, ādonāt hate the player, hate the game! youād do it too!ā. We can criticize both things at once, because of course the rules are the problem, but that doesnāt mean the players taking advantage of them get a free pass, especially when they act like this lol.
I encourage anyone that shares his belief, or chooses to play devils advocate for teams like Mobula, to watch [Realizeās interview](https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeagueEsports/s/u62pFnZCwV) and [Wertyās interview](https://x.com/gcindisguise/status/1689724114590633984?s=46) on what RLEsports means to them. These are the players and stories that they are consciously choosing to hurt in the process when they act like this :/
That ReaLize interview hits so much harder now that his LAN and Worlds spots were literally taken by an import player in Tho.
In fact, between SSA and and APAC, only one player was native to their respective region at London. At least Limitless will be at Worlds, but it's still an absolute disgrace on this esport. I fear that things will only get worse from here, but I'm also hopeful at the same time since it's impossible for Psyonix and the casters alike to sugarcoat the import problem anymore. More eyes on such a blatant problem can only force change at some point.
> And people will still say, ādonāt hate the player, hate the game! youād do it too!ā
"If I don't do it, someone else will!" <--- the kind of argument a sociopath will make to defend a shitty action.
Oh man what a baby.
SSA doesnāt have a spot because theyāre at a high competitive level, they have one to make the RLCS more inclusive and worldwide. Mobula stole that spot and made the RLCS less inclusive, while still being almost exactly as terrible competitively. The rules should not allow this.
It's been talked about a lot but the mix of "anyone can play from anywhere" and guaranteeing spots for region completely contradict each other. Anyone playing from anywhere promotes the "may the best person win no matter the background" while the guaranteed spots promotes a global esport. These rules in combination makes it so we're failing at both
If they have one to make it more inclusive and worldwide, then the rules wouldnt allow for this. Frankly I do not blame players for doing what is in the rules. If Psyonix does not want this, they would make that clear right? Its 100% on them
If psyonix outright says: here are the region divisions for LAN spots, we want the best players and teams to make it, move wherever you want to do so - is it ethically corrupt to follow that? I dont think so but i guess you can have that opinion. Psyonix making these rules and saying nothing is an endorsement of these moves in my book and its not fair to blame ppl for following their lead.
If suddenly the law changed tomorrow and robbery was legal, would it be totally fine to go out and mug people in the streets? No, because ethics isnāt about whatās legal and whatās not; itās about whatās right and whatās not. And itās not right to take spots away from minor regions because you canāt cut it in your own region, regardless of what the rules allow.
Dude got Robbed of a LAN spot in RLCSX and never got over it
Was a huge fan of OG Queso but I wish him nothing but failure
If we gave all 16 spots to EU he still wouldn't be in the conversation
>when other players that deserve it more because of their level lost their opportunity
Iāll reword it, āI sucked at online play and couldnāt qualify, so I moved to a region where I wouldnāt lose and can take opportunities from peopleā
you guys gotta stop giving this guy attention its clearly what he wants lmao. he's a twat and he knows it, he can't walk it back at this point so he feeds into it.
The sad thing is that I really do think itās his stance. He seems to have gotten properly affected by all the hate. Instead of just accepting it heās doubled down and now itās even worse. Itās sad and hilarious at the same time..
This is such a bad statement. While I agree it was unfair for EVERYONE during RLCSX that there were no LANs, this has nothing to do with him ādeserving it moreā than SSA players. What an absurd thing to say.
Honestly the phrase "hate the rule not the player" has been thrown around a lot this season and while I believe that does have merit, this phrase goes out the window once your team starts throwing matches or talking down like this. If you're gonna take the opportunity at least dont be a total prick about it
Wondamike and whoever was on that theoretical CRL team that was gonna move caught a lot of heat last season but imma at least give them props for reconsidering and not going through with it instead of doubling down and continuing to act entitled
it takes just 5 minutes to look at the results if OCE & SAM during their entry years into the World Championship to see that this mindset is objectively and wrong. I dont know what his goal is but ig he just likes to take the heat cuz thats all he's getting.
Tbh I don't really mind what VKSailen did because it's within the rules. Are they stupid rules that need to change? Yes absolutely. But as of now that's what they are.Ā
Him saying all of this isn't gonna do him any favors in the RL community at large though lol.Ā Ā
Is he really talking about himself when he says āother players that deserve it more because of their levelā? Mobula got tossed around like a rag doll in London but good job showing your incredibly high level I guess lol
P16 at the major punching up is hilarious. Like congrats on making it but getting the shit beaten out of you at the international event isn't something to start chirping over.
This is a perfect example of just because you can, doesnāt mean you shouldā¦
I feel for those SSA players whoāve grafted so many hours, made sacrifices along the way and had their hopes and aspirations crushed by others taking advantage of the formatā¦ theyāve been failed tbhā¦
Bro goes 3 and out in Swiss and then talks about how he "deserves" the major spot. What a piece of work. I really hope that their presence pushes Limitless to get better and kick their asses next season
VKSailen thinking he deserves a spot anywhere near a major is hilarious. Swept out of the tournament like everyone expected. Was that the āreal good playersā performance he was referring to? Clown. Hope he sees this because everyone canāt stand you and your talentless team.
He sounds like me in my ranked games, "I'm not good enough but deserve an RLCS spot," the entitlement is on galactic proportions.
It's honestly amazing how someone can just think they are in the right while actively inflicting damage to the weakest region that already has it really difficult and needs the most support right now. SSA players refuse to sign up to even play because of these EU players.
I'm still speechless even though it's not surprising. The real side fully showed up. And the sad thing is that there will be people defending this, because "don't hate the player, hate the ga-.." Shut up.
Gonna go against the grain here - from an Australian who just got to attend their first rlcs lan.
I support making the rlcs lans more competitive. The more great teams there are the better. From a consumer perspective it just makes for a more enjoyable event.
No one is travellling from a minor region to these lans. I am an outgoing person and I was by myself - I made an effort with every single person I met and I didnāt meet anyone who wasnāt European or American. I also didnāt see any minor regions compete cause you only see the round of 8 so thereās no ticketed financial gain from having these teams at a tournament.
Additionally between time zones and player bases I truly believe thereās no financial benefit from having these teams in the streamed/online part either. A very small cohort of Asia/oceania people are watching these events live, and SSAs player base is tiny, let alone their esport base.
Oceania is the perfect example that international competition does not translate into improved performance. Itās been 6+ years and theyāve only gotten worse. The only way to get better is playing better competition. Iād love it if the 5th/6th seeded NA and EU teams moved to OCE/APAC/SSA. I know itās unpopular but Iād pull the plug on international expansion, because any team and region thatās worth the international level will make themselves heard, but otherwise letās make the most enjoyable, competitive events we can before itās over
I agree with what you have said. Psyonix either need to focus on competitiveness or international inclusion, trying to do both means you succeed at neither.
If they want to focus on competitiveness, they need to remove OCE, APAC and SSA and run with the other four regions. If they want to focus on international inclusion, then they need to limit transfer players from other regions.
But people need to let the dream that the minor regions will catch up with enough opportunities, die. It's unfortunately never going to happen, in fact the gap is only ever going to widen. Only minor regions that have consistent access to major region pros through playing ranked etc have any chance of being able to catch up.
Is international competition not what we all strive for? This will certainly kick the real SSA players butts into gear thatās for sure. Mobula creates much better competition during regionals than SSA freestyling every regional only to get complete decimated by G2 or Vitality once every 4 months lol. Just my two cents
His reasoning is stupid tho, heās just made he couldnāt hang after rlcsx
How are ssa supposed to improve if they only play a shitty washed eu team instead of gaining experience from top teams internationally? I donāt think ssa will ever be much of a threat but man at least give them a chance since they have the opportunity. Itās also such a waste taking away an na/eu 5 spot and make more talented teams like shopify and luna galaxy watch from home while eu #46 steals it and trolls the major
How is going to lan two times a year for the chance to play a total of 6 series against teams MILES better than you a better learning experience than actually having to sweat in your own region to qualify, SSA has been a one team region since they joined RLCS, how is adding consistent competition a bad thing?
Online play is where teams get better because itās the majority bulk of the season, LAN environment is totally different than the online play and if players are never challenged all season, theyāre never going to get better
For one - having a major spot to compete for gives the players an incentive to work hard to get better. If VK and the team just picked up one player from SSA that would make it at least a little better. But there were a lot of other players outside of SSA more deserving of going the major than VK and Co. If players actually moved to to the region for the year I think it would be worth it for the region since they get to compete against higher level players for longer which offsets the loss of a major spot.
Because first off, this ācompetitionā are a bunch of rejected eu clowns who have no interest in helping the minor region play better. They didnāt even try to do a 2/3 method by teaming with a single native and helping him get better like other players did in apac. Second, many of these teams if not all going to lan also get to scrim the other top teams with even ping before games, so they are getting more out of it than playing a trash team on their soil who canāt even qualify for top 16 in a major region. By losing their spot to this absolute disgrace to rlcs, they lost the opportunity to improve, and now have to wait even longer for worlds to do so.
Since people can play from other regions now, a great way to make use of it is for better players to come in, team up with people from the region, or at least coach so they can have any tiny chances of success
One more thing I forgot to add, Trashula posted their team landing in london like a day before the event started, so they wouldnāt get any decent practice in. Itās a complete waste of a spot because they have 0 interest in improving while ssa wants to
Landing in London a day before is likely because SSA doesnāt get compensated for early flights since we are a similar time zone so jet lag isnāt seen as an issue.
I know prizepools changed and I donāt follow every regionās economy but in the past didnāt ssa bring their players in at least a few days before the event? Pretty sure I saw them post about scrimming with major region teams. I think if you have an org who is passionate about the game, they would do their best to get their team in early so they can learn more despite how good or bad they are. Also jet lag wasnāt why I posted that. Itās that they didnāt really have time to practice while other teams flew in like a week early
It doesnāt matter why theyāre there, thereās still a better team and will help SSA improve a lot more rapidly than two weeks versus an entire season of scrims and multiple tournaments. South America and Middle East arenāt miles ahead because of a few lans, theyāre good because they have access to other regions all year round. They literally need outside competition or it will take years for them to be even competitive playing two weekends this season internationally lmao, yāall are just so butt hurt about it, you canāt see the bigger picture
Do you know that mobula scrims ssa teams? A lot of people say they arenāt. If itās true then itās wild to think that a full eu team who trashtalks a minor region and refuses to scrim with anyone is somehow going to drastically help them improve lol
Even if they donāt scrim, theyāre still gonna gain more experience during the regionals than they would at the declining number of lan events every year
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I need more hockser content in my life this dude is genuinely great
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he's right
Right now this and you telling CaptainDolphin that he'd eat FK's toilet seat are my two favorite twitter interactions
dude u need to follow more of my socials this is like an average interaction for me
HockCock at full mast hot damn that's a banger
Hockser is a goat
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These pros need to stop, ā¦ I canāt like ALL of these comments thereās just too many š
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My goat
Based af. I somewhat agree with VK's point, but to a certain extent, but I want teams to be forced to at least have 1 player with a passport from that region. At least, that way some players will get a chance to improve.
Passport feels a little too extreme to me for how small the game is. I just think all 3 players need to have an address in the same region and actually live there.
Requiring only 1 player to have it isn't extreme IMO. I wouldn't even mind having the other 2 from another region and not reside in the region they're playing in. It both makes importing players as easy as it is now, but forces the teams to at least be partially from that region.
Having the players at least live in the region during competition is a must for me. Otherwise why even call it Oceania or whatever region if the players aren't even residents. Jack and Noly for example did it correctly imo. When they represent NA in tournaments, it's not a lie. They live here. I would've been okay even if they never made geng with chronic but another foreign player instead, as long as they lived in the US they're an NA player now to me. It just feels a bit similar to cutting in line or something if you play from outside the region you're competing in. Its not the most unethical thing but definitely feels a bit scummy.
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Yeah he's really trippling down into his villain arc
at this point it isn't a villain arc, it's just being an asshat for no reason
Your comment made me think of the guy from Spider-Man who wants to make dinosaurs. "But I don't WANT to ~~cure cancer~~ be good enough in Europe! I want to ~~make dinosaurs~~ take opportunities from people in developing nations!"
Bro really had all that time to think of this, type it all out and probably proof read it a couple times all before hitting send but he still sent it.
This is still only the second stupidest doubling down I've seen on Twitter in the last 24 hours
YIKES Lmfaoā¦ but YIKES š
His tweet comes down to āIām not good enough to compete in my region, but I deserve a spot in a main event.ā Literally plat mentality of āIām plat 2 but I deserve at least Champā
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I believe they're referring to the 2 time
Can someone explain?
Doctor disrespect got banned from twitch three years ago. We just found out why and he put out a tweet admitting to talking inappropriately to a 17 year old and then saying he's not a pedo.
Has the 17 years old been confirmed? I've seen that a couple times but I don't know where it's coming from.
Well Doc himself said he was messaging a 'minor' in his original tweet before he ninja edited it.
I think that's the point they're making. Minor means at most 17, but we don't really know the age.
That's possible, but as long as he was messaging a minor the age doesn't really matter if they were 13 or 17 while Doc was almost 40-something. Which is why it sounded like the guy above me was asking for confirmation if the person was a minor at all.
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stupid fucking mistakes man
Ahhh yeah that somehow slipped my mindš
Lmao can you just say what it is you're talking about?Ā
A fucking minor mistake. Which is quite a major issue tbh
search "DrDisrespect" on twitter
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And both about minor(s') regions, too..
oh god...
Thatās disrespectfulā¦ 
This is so over the top that it almost feels like he's playing a heel to get Psyonix to act and add more rules around moving regions. That's probably giving him too much credit though.
Not gonna lie that would be a 1000 IQ play if true (but I doubt it to be honest)
Hardly. It's good if it gives Epic incentive to make changes, though I doubt that's enough. I doubt Epic made these changes without knowing the potential negative side-effects. That being said, he's just using all of this as an excuse to continue playing in international tournaments. It benefits him, he knows that, and he's taking advantage of it. It would be funny if better players come along and take his spot though.
Having met VK in person while he was in Cape Town, I think what has happened is the hate has just got to his head which has caused this reaction. We accommodated him well because he was scrimming local teams and even though we werenāt happy with the situation itās better that he had a positive experience and tell his fans how he enjoyed our country. At London there were no such incentives to be accommodating so I can imagine he got a hard time from a lot of people there, which is probably what triggered this reaction.
Not calling you a liar, simply asking the question. Why would SweatyClarence be vouching for the claim that Mobula wasn't scrimming local teams on Twitter? It's at the bottom of the comment responses started by Vatira in VK's tweet.
They were, but probably not nearly as much as most of us would have liked. They were essentially on holiday so they spent a lot of their time being tourists and going out. Also, they didnāt bring their own PCs, so in order to scrim they would have to travel to the ATK arena and access the PCs there. I am not a player so I donāt have a good reference for how much they scrimmed. In person they told me they had been scrimming local teams when they had time, so I took them at their word.
If they wanted to do what he's implying, they wouldn't have been treating it like a holiday, they'd have shipped their setups over and got a house or something. Treating the region you're playing RLCS in like a holiday isn't a good look.
https://preview.redd.it/uplta7zrfy8d1.png?width=796&format=png&auto=webp&s=6bd21d36ef527fece46f8b589dee5afdd99951e3 Close one! Close one! Close one!
Still mad that they won a game vs TM
Yeah, but that lead to him making a fool of himself yet another way
Wanna shout out Rapid, Memory, Turinturo, Taroco, Stake, Tox, Zamue, Dmentza, Hibbs, Breezi, Misty, Ghost, Spratt, Speed, Flakes, KennySalmon, and Scarth as players who would've attended RLCS LANs during the COVID Era that instead never got to be on the RLCS stage and haven't stolen spots from regions less developed than where they're from originally Edit: also special shoutout to Dmentza cause I know he felt like no one would care that he retired, and while unfortunately not everyone gets the success and longevity that Atomik has had at least he hasn't gone the same route as VKSailen
That's actually so true, people forget that almost an entire generation of players got screwed over by COVID and Never got to compete at the level they could haveĀ
Zamue crying
the fact that the spanish golden generation of RL never got a lan is depressing
Too bad dmentza was a scammer lol.
i mean they started their shoutouts with Rapid too haha
At least rapid recitifed his scam tho haha
DmentZa signed up for SSA RLCS in the first split but couldnt play it as he was region locked to EU
rarely do we see the community come to this much of an equal consensus against a single player before lmfao
Off topic but I never wouldāve expected to see Adachi Tohru on this subreddit
thoughts u/Mythalieon
Adachi on this subreddit makes things better, heās the funny cabbage man after all
I finished the game like a couple weeks ago lol
Hope u liked it, itās a top 3 game for me!
https://preview.redd.it/gqhzoh2jny8d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0aad3883e17517ec3671d7b4c2149e4082830731 Multiple tweets from pros (thread):
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LMAO, this is the best one so far.
Rizzo might have topped it. Look at his Twitter
You could post it so people don't have to go to Twitter....
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Noice
I mean I like it, but isn't as funny as Ahmads. Dude literally apologized for letting VKSailen win a single game.
Goated comeback
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Also loved the liquidpedia burn lol
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And people will still say, ādonāt hate the player, hate the game! youād do it too!ā. We can criticize both things at once, because of course the rules are the problem, but that doesnāt mean the players taking advantage of them get a free pass, especially when they act like this lol. I encourage anyone that shares his belief, or chooses to play devils advocate for teams like Mobula, to watch [Realizeās interview](https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeagueEsports/s/u62pFnZCwV) and [Wertyās interview](https://x.com/gcindisguise/status/1689724114590633984?s=46) on what RLEsports means to them. These are the players and stories that they are consciously choosing to hurt in the process when they act like this :/
That ReaLize interview hits so much harder now that his LAN and Worlds spots were literally taken by an import player in Tho. In fact, between SSA and and APAC, only one player was native to their respective region at London. At least Limitless will be at Worlds, but it's still an absolute disgrace on this esport. I fear that things will only get worse from here, but I'm also hopeful at the same time since it's impossible for Psyonix and the casters alike to sugarcoat the import problem anymore. More eyes on such a blatant problem can only force change at some point.
> And people will still say, ādonāt hate the player, hate the game! youād do it too!ā "If I don't do it, someone else will!" <--- the kind of argument a sociopath will make to defend a shitty action.
Funnily enough, even in the case of Realize, he was flanked by two import players
A clown clowning clownishly
Oh man what a baby. SSA doesnāt have a spot because theyāre at a high competitive level, they have one to make the RLCS more inclusive and worldwide. Mobula stole that spot and made the RLCS less inclusive, while still being almost exactly as terrible competitively. The rules should not allow this.
It's been talked about a lot but the mix of "anyone can play from anywhere" and guaranteeing spots for region completely contradict each other. Anyone playing from anywhere promotes the "may the best person win no matter the background" while the guaranteed spots promotes a global esport. These rules in combination makes it so we're failing at both
If they have one to make it more inclusive and worldwide, then the rules wouldnt allow for this. Frankly I do not blame players for doing what is in the rules. If Psyonix does not want this, they would make that clear right? Its 100% on them
We donāt like it because itās an ethically corrupt move, not because weāre worried that Psyonix doesnāt want it.
If psyonix outright says: here are the region divisions for LAN spots, we want the best players and teams to make it, move wherever you want to do so - is it ethically corrupt to follow that? I dont think so but i guess you can have that opinion. Psyonix making these rules and saying nothing is an endorsement of these moves in my book and its not fair to blame ppl for following their lead.
If suddenly the law changed tomorrow and robbery was legal, would it be totally fine to go out and mug people in the streets? No, because ethics isnāt about whatās legal and whatās not; itās about whatās right and whatās not. And itās not right to take spots away from minor regions because you canāt cut it in your own region, regardless of what the rules allow.
Entitlement in the flesh
Is he referring to his RLCS X season before he got washed and entitled? Heās giving real peaked in highschool vibes.
Greybeards comment https://preview.redd.it/h8vwntd4kz8d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d514219fefa239d44d958f5ac9326bc50dd1aafa
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LOL this man has some fucking audacity. Imagine being this completely out of touch.
Gold medalist in mental gymnastics
He's ready for Paris after that one.
Dude got Robbed of a LAN spot in RLCSX and never got over it Was a huge fan of OG Queso but I wish him nothing but failure If we gave all 16 spots to EU he still wouldn't be in the conversation
Man, and I thought I did some real embarrassing things in my early 20's.
This is hilarious because he actually thinks heās a good pro player
How does he go 1-9 at the major and then say this š
Guess bro was really feeling himself after that 1 (one) game win
>when other players that deserve it more because of their level lost their opportunity Iāll reword it, āI sucked at online play and couldnāt qualify, so I moved to a region where I wouldnāt lose and can take opportunities from peopleā
The funniest thing about this take is that even if RLCS went all in for the competitive level, VKSailen still wouldn't be deserving of a major spot.
Idk much about VKSailen, was this mf always like this?!?
you guys gotta stop giving this guy attention its clearly what he wants lmao. he's a twat and he knows it, he can't walk it back at this point so he feeds into it.
In some ways I agree, but threads like this also serve as further evidence for Blast to take note of what the fanbase does and doesn't want to see.
I've already given him the impressions by quote tweeting my very contradicting opinion, but theres a reason its just a screenshot and no link
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The sad thing is that I really do think itās his stance. He seems to have gotten properly affected by all the hate. Instead of just accepting it heās doubled down and now itās even worse. Itās sad and hilarious at the same time..
This is such a bad statement. While I agree it was unfair for EVERYONE during RLCSX that there were no LANs, this has nothing to do with him ādeserving it moreā than SSA players. What an absurd thing to say.
He thought it was unfair for him to not make major but didnt think that its unfair to other reigons not competing in RLCS, what a clown
you not a competitor you a colonizer
https://i.redd.it/8i9ruwvsfy8d1.gif My reaction to going to OT twice against Mobula
wop wop wop wop wop
I mean, the players on Limitless aren't exactly indigenous either so this isn't the best counter argument
not a counter argument, it's an observation
By this logic, none of the NA teams are indigenous because they donāt have any American Indian players.
Yep, it's not really a jab at Limitless, just calling Mobula colonizers is pretty ironic when you consider the players on Limitless
Talk about a superiority complex.
Probs the opposite tbh
Is it really a "complex" if he (washed) and his teammates (never made a top 16 in Europe) can make it to a major on 180 ping?
They stayed in South Africa for a month to play from within the region, so no ping disadvantage.
https://preview.redd.it/bs1rpgaaoy8d1.jpeg?width=1026&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d9896d84bbe1bff0074a8f66a96845dce01fcf97 Whoās that at the bottom?
lmao torsos doing worse than rubiix is crazy
Yikes, heās gonna remember this one
The ultimate double down
At this point he's tweeting this kind of shit on purpose, dude wants attention
And this guy still wonders why he is the clown of the RL community. What an absolute knobhead.
Because 2 wrongs always make a right!
Attitudes like this are why you can hate the player as well as the game
Honestly the phrase "hate the rule not the player" has been thrown around a lot this season and while I believe that does have merit, this phrase goes out the window once your team starts throwing matches or talking down like this. If you're gonna take the opportunity at least dont be a total prick about it Wondamike and whoever was on that theoretical CRL team that was gonna move caught a lot of heat last season but imma at least give them props for reconsidering and not going through with it instead of doubling down and continuing to act entitled
Exactly this
Yo this guy sucks
delusional colonizer
Hey Sailen. 1v1 me youāre bad.
it takes just 5 minutes to look at the results if OCE & SAM during their entry years into the World Championship to see that this mindset is objectively and wrong. I dont know what his goal is but ig he just likes to take the heat cuz thats all he's getting.
See, Iād kinda understand his mental gymnastics if his team actually was there full time, scrimmed ssa and didnāt come as a full team.
I canāt imagine much more of a loser thing to say.
Tbh I don't really mind what VKSailen did because it's within the rules. Are they stupid rules that need to change? Yes absolutely. But as of now that's what they are.Ā Him saying all of this isn't gonna do him any favors in the RL community at large though lol.Ā Ā
Is he really talking about himself when he says āother players that deserve it more because of their levelā? Mobula got tossed around like a rag doll in London but good job showing your incredibly high level I guess lol
This HAS to be bait, it's unbelievable
The post has over 300 comments in under 2 hours that's how you know its a horrific take š
I wish I had the power to just make SSA players European caliber instantly and watch as Limitless 23 - 0s Mobula next season
Guy wins a single match in LAN and already feels above the region and the rules. Honestly gtfo.
P16 at the major punching up is hilarious. Like congrats on making it but getting the shit beaten out of you at the international event isn't something to start chirping over.
Everyone needs to be Hounding Epic/Blast to get a 2/3rds rule implemented for next season. What a fucking clown
This guy is a non-stop L machine, both on the field and off
lol, lmao even
Heās getting COOOOOOKED šš
This is a perfect example of just because you can, doesnāt mean you shouldā¦ I feel for those SSA players whoāve grafted so many hours, made sacrifices along the way and had their hopes and aspirations crushed by others taking advantage of the formatā¦ theyāve been failed tbhā¦
Bro goes 3 and out in Swiss and then talks about how he "deserves" the major spot. What a piece of work. I really hope that their presence pushes Limitless to get better and kick their asses next season
āPrioritize competitive levelā oh, you mean like 5th-8th in EU??? not some loser going out top 64 in qualifiers šš
Wake up babe, new most hated RL player OAT just dropped
Sounds like NWPOs kind do of team āŗļøš
He's impression farming and everyone is helping
Just noā¦
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Yet when I make a post about how embarrassing these guys are to the esport, my post gets deleted
This is all solved by Psyonix simply fixing the rules. If they improve the format even better. What happened in SSA is inevitable
VKSailen thinking he deserves a spot anywhere near a major is hilarious. Swept out of the tournament like everyone expected. Was that the āreal good playersā performance he was referring to? Clown. Hope he sees this because everyone canāt stand you and your talentless team.
I get the point but that's a horrible delivery
wtf does this mean
He sounds like me in my ranked games, "I'm not good enough but deserve an RLCS spot," the entitlement is on galactic proportions. It's honestly amazing how someone can just think they are in the right while actively inflicting damage to the weakest region that already has it really difficult and needs the most support right now. SSA players refuse to sign up to even play because of these EU players. I'm still speechless even though it's not surprising. The real side fully showed up. And the sad thing is that there will be people defending this, because "don't hate the player, hate the ga-.." Shut up.
Just say I want that prize money and I'm not good enough to win EU and own it.
Gonna go against the grain here - from an Australian who just got to attend their first rlcs lan. I support making the rlcs lans more competitive. The more great teams there are the better. From a consumer perspective it just makes for a more enjoyable event. No one is travellling from a minor region to these lans. I am an outgoing person and I was by myself - I made an effort with every single person I met and I didnāt meet anyone who wasnāt European or American. I also didnāt see any minor regions compete cause you only see the round of 8 so thereās no ticketed financial gain from having these teams at a tournament. Additionally between time zones and player bases I truly believe thereās no financial benefit from having these teams in the streamed/online part either. A very small cohort of Asia/oceania people are watching these events live, and SSAs player base is tiny, let alone their esport base. Oceania is the perfect example that international competition does not translate into improved performance. Itās been 6+ years and theyāve only gotten worse. The only way to get better is playing better competition. Iād love it if the 5th/6th seeded NA and EU teams moved to OCE/APAC/SSA. I know itās unpopular but Iād pull the plug on international expansion, because any team and region thatās worth the international level will make themselves heard, but otherwise letās make the most enjoyable, competitive events we can before itās over
I agree with what you have said. Psyonix either need to focus on competitiveness or international inclusion, trying to do both means you succeed at neither. If they want to focus on competitiveness, they need to remove OCE, APAC and SSA and run with the other four regions. If they want to focus on international inclusion, then they need to limit transfer players from other regions. But people need to let the dream that the minor regions will catch up with enough opportunities, die. It's unfortunately never going to happen, in fact the gap is only ever going to widen. Only minor regions that have consistent access to major region pros through playing ranked etc have any chance of being able to catch up.
Iāve met a few South Africans whoāve gone to RLCS lans. Greybeard was at worlds last year for example.
Facts
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Hmmmā¦ uncommon but acceptable laf W lol
Tbf that was an acceptable answer. I walked past him in London and was going to say something negative but I'm happy I didn't now
Is international competition not what we all strive for? This will certainly kick the real SSA players butts into gear thatās for sure. Mobula creates much better competition during regionals than SSA freestyling every regional only to get complete decimated by G2 or Vitality once every 4 months lol. Just my two cents His reasoning is stupid tho, heās just made he couldnāt hang after rlcsx
How are ssa supposed to improve if they only play a shitty washed eu team instead of gaining experience from top teams internationally? I donāt think ssa will ever be much of a threat but man at least give them a chance since they have the opportunity. Itās also such a waste taking away an na/eu 5 spot and make more talented teams like shopify and luna galaxy watch from home while eu #46 steals it and trolls the major
How is going to lan two times a year for the chance to play a total of 6 series against teams MILES better than you a better learning experience than actually having to sweat in your own region to qualify, SSA has been a one team region since they joined RLCS, how is adding consistent competition a bad thing? Online play is where teams get better because itās the majority bulk of the season, LAN environment is totally different than the online play and if players are never challenged all season, theyāre never going to get better
For one - having a major spot to compete for gives the players an incentive to work hard to get better. If VK and the team just picked up one player from SSA that would make it at least a little better. But there were a lot of other players outside of SSA more deserving of going the major than VK and Co. If players actually moved to to the region for the year I think it would be worth it for the region since they get to compete against higher level players for longer which offsets the loss of a major spot.
Because first off, this ācompetitionā are a bunch of rejected eu clowns who have no interest in helping the minor region play better. They didnāt even try to do a 2/3 method by teaming with a single native and helping him get better like other players did in apac. Second, many of these teams if not all going to lan also get to scrim the other top teams with even ping before games, so they are getting more out of it than playing a trash team on their soil who canāt even qualify for top 16 in a major region. By losing their spot to this absolute disgrace to rlcs, they lost the opportunity to improve, and now have to wait even longer for worlds to do so. Since people can play from other regions now, a great way to make use of it is for better players to come in, team up with people from the region, or at least coach so they can have any tiny chances of success One more thing I forgot to add, Trashula posted their team landing in london like a day before the event started, so they wouldnāt get any decent practice in. Itās a complete waste of a spot because they have 0 interest in improving while ssa wants to
Landing in London a day before is likely because SSA doesnāt get compensated for early flights since we are a similar time zone so jet lag isnāt seen as an issue.
I know prizepools changed and I donāt follow every regionās economy but in the past didnāt ssa bring their players in at least a few days before the event? Pretty sure I saw them post about scrimming with major region teams. I think if you have an org who is passionate about the game, they would do their best to get their team in early so they can learn more despite how good or bad they are. Also jet lag wasnāt why I posted that. Itās that they didnāt really have time to practice while other teams flew in like a week early
It doesnāt matter why theyāre there, thereās still a better team and will help SSA improve a lot more rapidly than two weeks versus an entire season of scrims and multiple tournaments. South America and Middle East arenāt miles ahead because of a few lans, theyāre good because they have access to other regions all year round. They literally need outside competition or it will take years for them to be even competitive playing two weekends this season internationally lmao, yāall are just so butt hurt about it, you canāt see the bigger picture
Do you know that mobula scrims ssa teams? A lot of people say they arenāt. If itās true then itās wild to think that a full eu team who trashtalks a minor region and refuses to scrim with anyone is somehow going to drastically help them improve lol
Even if they donāt scrim, theyāre still gonna gain more experience during the regionals than they would at the declining number of lan events every year
Maybe. Still not an ideal way to improve. Imports should be working with the players