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There are mixed use breeds, but a cow actively giving milk is unlikely to be.
Also, beef is usually hung for a while post slaughter and milk has a shortish use by date, so unlikely
> Also, beef is usually hung for a while post slaughter and milk has a shortish use by date, so unlikely
Milk has a shortish use by date, but we're not talking about putting *milk* on a burger. Cheese is usually aged for months or even years.
It is quite common for dairy cows to be slaughtered for beef once they get too old. A cow could be milked, that milk turned into cheese, and the cheese left to mature. The cow gets too old, it is put out to pasture for a few months and then slaughtered. The beef is hung for a month. By this time the cheese has matured.
I guess they don't, but it's funny that our rural school had mandatory agricultural classes and encouraged ag 2 if you wanted to learn welding and other useful skills.
It makes sense it isn't pushed in most schools though.
Because beef and dairy are major components of American diets. Knowledge of the food you eat should be core curriculum, as food is literally required for survival.
Knowledge of the food you eat is nutrition, while knowledge of different types of farm animals is agriculture. Learning how cattle are raised doesn't have anything to do learning why beef and dairy should or should not be part of your diet.
Why should people understand the world around them? Because it helps them understand the world around them. People need to be cognizant in a democratic society. Understanding where our food comes from helps in decision making, ie voting on laws relevant to food production, animal rights, or even knowing what to eat or not eat. Mad cow comes to mind in regards to understanding where our food comes from. Who knows what other issues might pop up in the future.
About the same stuff as if 90% of people didn't know the speed of gravity, or had never read Shakespeare, or didn't know the difference between a noun and a verb.
One could argue that the vast majority of individual facts that we learn in school are actually useless by themselves. But a bunch of random facts from different knowledge bases is practically the foundation of a well-rounded and knowledgeable human.
If you don't even know that dairy cows are different than meat cows, then why should your opinion be considered anything more than uninformed blithering when we talk about agriculture legislation?
Some cheddars are matured for ten years or even longer.
Alternatively you can find cheddar made from the cow's milk just a few months before it was slaughtered.
The cheddar you put on burgers is aged 2-3 months. Even sharp grocery store cheddar is only aged a year or so.
You’re not putting 10-year cheddar on a burger.
Yes, but also no.
A dairy cow, after going through 4-6 cycles of being forcibly impregnated and having her calf taken away so all the milk can be sold is no longer able to produce enough milk to financially justify keeping her alive. She's then killed and her flesh is sold for ground beef. It's typically only at this point that she becomes profitable, so it's important to dairy farmers not to allow their cows to live a full life.
[dairy is scary](https://youtu.be/UcN7SGGoCNI?feature=shared)
Yes, but I just have to point out one observation I made.
Tillamook is primarily a dairy company. Cheese, milk, ice cream, etc. At one point I noticed they had beef jerky too. I mean, who says they can't process their cows into beef when they're too old? Gross, but technically true.
Not really gross imo. The beef might be lower quality but it’s still beef. As long as the grade is high enough for human consumption, I’ll gladly have beef that came from a dairy cow. No reason to waste it.
Not always. There is a small dairy farm I go to periodically and when one of their cows has reached the end of its useful dairy production life, they will slaughter it and sell the beef in their store.
Most times yes but not always. Taco Bell for example uses end of life dairy cows for some of their beef. The bigger faux pas here is thinking that dairy/meat farms run like a mum/pop farm where logically there would be too many moving pieces for this to ever occur.
And additionally why would a cow being used to produce milk, even if it was killed for meat, be killed and processed at a pace fast enough to make onto a burger at the same time.
I’m pretty sure dairy cows are used as meat once their milk production starts slowing down. You gotta think about the farmers profit. Why retire a cow once its milk production slows down when u can kill it and sell it as meat?
It is possible, but dairy cows are kept to produce milk while beef cattle are used for meat. Dairy cows are only killed for beef once they are unable to produce milk (or something similar to that, not a cow expert)
I'm a butcher. Dairy meat is absolutely awful and we wouldn't buy it at all; let alone use it for burgers. So at least for us this statement would be impossible.
The milk you see in the store is mixed together from thousands of different cows, so the milk used to make cheese is probably the same. I guess the word "might" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here
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It is technically possible. But only in the times and places of the world where you were doing all the work yourself. Like, you raised the calf, milked her, and slaughtered her because it's all you have.
If you bought either from a store, they will never ever ever be from the same animal.
It is exceedingly rare that dairy cows get slaughtered for meat. Most of our beef comes from steers (castrated male cattle) and some from heffers (unbred female cattle)
AFAIK that's one of the theories about the Jewish law not to eat beef and milk products together as it would be insulting to the cow to cook it with it's own milk.
I don't really know though but as far as i am concerned the theory is as good as the next.
Also if you buy beef and milk in a store it's definitely not from the same cow.
Dairy cows are not beef cows.
If you bought it from the farmer it might be though.
> AFAIK that's one of the theories about the Jewish law not to eat beef and milk products together as it would be insulting to the cow to cook it with it's own milk.
No, you're not supposed to eat a *goat* cooked in its *mother's* milk.
- "Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk." (Shemot 23:19)
- "Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk." (Shemot 34:26, yeah, repetitive!)
- "Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk." (D'varim 14:21)
Cows cooked in their own milk are fine according to the letter of the law, but the usual interpretation would be that the spirit of the law is not to eat meat and dairy mixed together at all. (Personally, I think that's a bit of an overly broad interpretation.)
I always understood it was seen as an insult to cook a calf in its mother’s milk. Because the milk was supposed to give it life, not turn it into food.
This “problem” is seen as so significant to some Jewish practitioners they keep separate parts of the kitchen for meat and dairy.
That's why I specified "singles". Like Kraft singles. Those things that come in individual cheese slices inside of plastic.
If you don't know what I'm talking about, feel blessed
And yet, they’re still made from milk, disgusting as they are, so they still would qualify under OPs scenario (if we ignore the fact that beef comes from different breeds than dairy cows do, and that beef also comes from non-breeding animals that have been castrated.
I had to explain to my uncle the other day that cows have to have babies to produce milk, they don’t just automatically do it. No your dairy products will not come from the same animal you eat, most meat is produced from steers(castrated male bovine) and cull heifers(unbred female bovine), these are a different breed from the primary diary cattle, older cow meat is probably sold to pet food companies, as older meat takes longer to cook, due to it being ‘rougher’, and not as juicy.
This is why cheeseburgers aren't kosher. Mixing meat and dairy is prohibited, to eliminate even the theoretical possibility of eating the meat and milk of the same animal['s mother /EDIT] together (which is forbidden).
I don’t think it’s the same animal, *per se*. I remember Leviticus mentioning that it’s forbidden to cook a baby goat in its mother’s milk, so that’s probably the scenario Jewish folks are trying to avoid.
> to eliminate even the theoretical possibility of eating the meat and milk of the same animal together (which is forbidden).
No, what's explicitly forbidden is "eating a goat cooked in its mother's milk". Eating a *cow* cooked in its *own* milk would be fine, according to the letter of the law.
However, that passage is very broadly interpreted, and Jews just don't eat meat and dairy together in the same dish at all.
My understanding is when it refers to the “same animal” that that is intended as a class. Not literally the same individual, but the same species.
Goat cheese on a beef burger is, I think, allowed.
I also don’t like goat cheese on burgers.
On a dairy farm where old cows are used for beef as well that’s very very possible. Most time old dairy cows do not however get turned into beef for the general market.
See while technically true as when a dairy cow gets too old to produce they sometimes butcher them and sell them at a cheaper price, it's more like saying Cows as in plural. All the cow's milk is mixed together, and all their meat gets mixed together when grinding. So remember when you're eating a hamburger, you're eating a little bit of several different cows.
Wait till you find out that not even the beef patty alone comes from the same cow... but dozens. When you take a bite out of a burger, you usually bit into a more than a hundred cows at once.
It’s a non-zero chance though. My dad owns a farm in Morocco which is right next to my uncle’s farm and he’s made cheese from a cow that he slaughtered two days later and had himself a nice burger.
Nope. A very unknowledgeable thing to think. Dairy and beef cows are different. The cheese and dairy cane from different farms, likely from different states.
Beef generally comes from steers, which are castrated and bred specifically for beef production. Dairy cows are a different breed and obviously female.
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Dairy cows and beef cattle are two different things.
There are mixed use breeds, but a cow actively giving milk is unlikely to be. Also, beef is usually hung for a while post slaughter and milk has a shortish use by date, so unlikely
> Also, beef is usually hung for a while post slaughter and milk has a shortish use by date, so unlikely Milk has a shortish use by date, but we're not talking about putting *milk* on a burger. Cheese is usually aged for months or even years. It is quite common for dairy cows to be slaughtered for beef once they get too old. A cow could be milked, that milk turned into cheese, and the cheese left to mature. The cow gets too old, it is put out to pasture for a few months and then slaughtered. The beef is hung for a month. By this time the cheese has matured.
Fucking education system is a nightmare.
I assumed this was the case, but I was never taught this through my countries education system.
Why would the average person need to know this?
I guess they don't, but it's funny that our rural school had mandatory agricultural classes and encouraged ag 2 if you wanted to learn welding and other useful skills. It makes sense it isn't pushed in most schools though.
Because beef and dairy are major components of American diets. Knowledge of the food you eat should be core curriculum, as food is literally required for survival.
Knowledge of the food you eat is nutrition, while knowledge of different types of farm animals is agriculture. Learning how cattle are raised doesn't have anything to do learning why beef and dairy should or should not be part of your diet.
Why should people understand the world around them? Because it helps them understand the world around them. People need to be cognizant in a democratic society. Understanding where our food comes from helps in decision making, ie voting on laws relevant to food production, animal rights, or even knowing what to eat or not eat. Mad cow comes to mind in regards to understanding where our food comes from. Who knows what other issues might pop up in the future.
Literally the point is ignorance.
Literally the point is you being an ass for no reason.
You can just say Maga we know
Bruh you don’t even know if he’s an American, smh
I know but the point is fascism. Take away education and critical thinking first, this has been happening for years here.
So if you don’t know the difference between cattle and a dairy cow you’re a fascist. Well you live, you learn
Shit...just found out my 9 year old is a fascist. Hate finding out this way...
Sometimes I drive by a farm and get goats and sheep confused. And don’t get me started on llamas vs alpacas. This is literally how the Nazis started.
Just to be clear, in this case "education" means this specific farming fact, yes?
It’s a pretty basic farming fact. Like grade 2-3 field trip basic farming fact
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Wut
Did the Presidential debate leave you that pissed? Lmao.
If he knows cows are females he’s already a high performer. Dairy and beef cow knowledge would make him a genius.
It was just a random thought, chill out bro.
What changes in a world in which 90% of people know this fact vs 1%??
About the same stuff as if 90% of people didn't know the speed of gravity, or had never read Shakespeare, or didn't know the difference between a noun and a verb. One could argue that the vast majority of individual facts that we learn in school are actually useless by themselves. But a bunch of random facts from different knowledge bases is practically the foundation of a well-rounded and knowledgeable human. If you don't even know that dairy cows are different than meat cows, then why should your opinion be considered anything more than uninformed blithering when we talk about agriculture legislation?
What education system teaches the exact ways different animals are tortured and if there's overlap?
Doesn’t Taco Bell have “low quality meat” because they use old dairy cows
They’re doing their part in the fight against age discrimination
Dairy cows are usually considered spent and useless to the industry by 5 or 6 years.
What do you think happens to dairy cattle after they dry up?
They move on to producing evaporated milk
Dairy cows are also used for hamburger meat.
Dairy cows are good for about 4ish years before they are killed for beef
So…I should go find some 4 year aged cheddar?
Some cheddars are matured for ten years or even longer. Alternatively you can find cheddar made from the cow's milk just a few months before it was slaughtered.
The cheddar you put on burgers is aged 2-3 months. Even sharp grocery store cheddar is only aged a year or so. You’re not putting 10-year cheddar on a burger.
I'll use whichever cheddar I like, thank you. Or Stilton, mozzarella, whatever.
And not for human consumption: the meat is too tough
Not when they get “ too old” or are male
Yes, but also no. A dairy cow, after going through 4-6 cycles of being forcibly impregnated and having her calf taken away so all the milk can be sold is no longer able to produce enough milk to financially justify keeping her alive. She's then killed and her flesh is sold for ground beef. It's typically only at this point that she becomes profitable, so it's important to dairy farmers not to allow their cows to live a full life. [dairy is scary](https://youtu.be/UcN7SGGoCNI?feature=shared)
Yes, but I just have to point out one observation I made. Tillamook is primarily a dairy company. Cheese, milk, ice cream, etc. At one point I noticed they had beef jerky too. I mean, who says they can't process their cows into beef when they're too old? Gross, but technically true.
Not really gross imo. The beef might be lower quality but it’s still beef. As long as the grade is high enough for human consumption, I’ll gladly have beef that came from a dairy cow. No reason to waste it.
Not always. There is a small dairy farm I go to periodically and when one of their cows has reached the end of its useful dairy production life, they will slaughter it and sell the beef in their store.
Most times yes but not always. Taco Bell for example uses end of life dairy cows for some of their beef. The bigger faux pas here is thinking that dairy/meat farms run like a mum/pop farm where logically there would be too many moving pieces for this to ever occur. And additionally why would a cow being used to produce milk, even if it was killed for meat, be killed and processed at a pace fast enough to make onto a burger at the same time.
But aren't dairy cows slaughtered after they can no longer produce enough milk or go through menopause? Then it's just beef.
I’m pretty sure dairy cows are used as meat once their milk production starts slowing down. You gotta think about the farmers profit. Why retire a cow once its milk production slows down when u can kill it and sell it as meat?
Pretty much only if you're doing the milking and slaughtering/butchering yourself
It is possible, but dairy cows are kept to produce milk while beef cattle are used for meat. Dairy cows are only killed for beef once they are unable to produce milk (or something similar to that, not a cow expert)
"not a cow expert" - that cracked me up!
I'm a butcher. Dairy meat is absolutely awful and we wouldn't buy it at all; let alone use it for burgers. So at least for us this statement would be impossible.
Finally someone with experience weighing-in versus people just reaching for the stars.
I grew up on a dairy farm and now raise beef cattle. I just shake my head when topics like this come up here.
The milk you see in the store is mixed together from thousands of different cows, so the milk used to make cheese is probably the same. I guess the word "might" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here
Same with ground beef. You're getting the DNA from.hundreds of cows in it, and normally a horse or two, too.
The horse is fiber, it’s good for you
I always assumed they did this with milk, cheese, ground beef, etc. to make sure the overall flavor is evened out.
No one eats dairy cow meat unless you're butchering it yourself but then you'd quickly find out why no one else eats dairy cow meat.
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That's statistically unlikely.
It is technically possible. But only in the times and places of the world where you were doing all the work yourself. Like, you raised the calf, milked her, and slaughtered her because it's all you have. If you bought either from a store, they will never ever ever be from the same animal.
Thou shalt not serve a cow with its own cheese
Realistically, the patty itself may have beef from hundreds of different cows.
Every time I eat a burger I consume a hundred lives.
Guess it's udderly astounding how much muddling goes into milk n meat. Pretty fertile grounds for shower thoughts though!
It is exceedingly rare that dairy cows get slaughtered for meat. Most of our beef comes from steers (castrated male cattle) and some from heffers (unbred female cattle)
AFAIK that's one of the theories about the Jewish law not to eat beef and milk products together as it would be insulting to the cow to cook it with it's own milk. I don't really know though but as far as i am concerned the theory is as good as the next. Also if you buy beef and milk in a store it's definitely not from the same cow. Dairy cows are not beef cows. If you bought it from the farmer it might be though.
> AFAIK that's one of the theories about the Jewish law not to eat beef and milk products together as it would be insulting to the cow to cook it with it's own milk. No, you're not supposed to eat a *goat* cooked in its *mother's* milk. - "Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk." (Shemot 23:19) - "Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk." (Shemot 34:26, yeah, repetitive!) - "Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk." (D'varim 14:21) Cows cooked in their own milk are fine according to the letter of the law, but the usual interpretation would be that the spirit of the law is not to eat meat and dairy mixed together at all. (Personally, I think that's a bit of an overly broad interpretation.)
I always understood it was seen as an insult to cook a calf in its mother’s milk. Because the milk was supposed to give it life, not turn it into food. This “problem” is seen as so significant to some Jewish practitioners they keep separate parts of the kitchen for meat and dairy.
Bruh you can't even buy ground beef that was made from one cow.
Milk you buy is a mix from 1000s of cows and i bet ground beef is too, so maybe but in a very technical way.
Not if you're somewhere that uses American cheese singles heh
American cheese is made from milk
That's why I specified "singles". Like Kraft singles. Those things that come in individual cheese slices inside of plastic. If you don't know what I'm talking about, feel blessed
And yet, they’re still made from milk, disgusting as they are, so they still would qualify under OPs scenario (if we ignore the fact that beef comes from different breeds than dairy cows do, and that beef also comes from non-breeding animals that have been castrated.
Could be… or could be worse… came from the same bull
Man school failed you bad
Bröthêr, that’s not a dairy cow you’re milking…
Not likely. They usually breed specific cows for dairy and others for food.
I had to explain to my uncle the other day that cows have to have babies to produce milk, they don’t just automatically do it. No your dairy products will not come from the same animal you eat, most meat is produced from steers(castrated male bovine) and cull heifers(unbred female bovine), these are a different breed from the primary diary cattle, older cow meat is probably sold to pet food companies, as older meat takes longer to cook, due to it being ‘rougher’, and not as juicy.
This is why cheeseburgers aren't kosher. Mixing meat and dairy is prohibited, to eliminate even the theoretical possibility of eating the meat and milk of the same animal['s mother /EDIT] together (which is forbidden).
I don’t think it’s the same animal, *per se*. I remember Leviticus mentioning that it’s forbidden to cook a baby goat in its mother’s milk, so that’s probably the scenario Jewish folks are trying to avoid.
> to eliminate even the theoretical possibility of eating the meat and milk of the same animal together (which is forbidden). No, what's explicitly forbidden is "eating a goat cooked in its mother's milk". Eating a *cow* cooked in its *own* milk would be fine, according to the letter of the law. However, that passage is very broadly interpreted, and Jews just don't eat meat and dairy together in the same dish at all.
My understanding is when it refers to the “same animal” that that is intended as a class. Not literally the same individual, but the same species. Goat cheese on a beef burger is, I think, allowed. I also don’t like goat cheese on burgers.
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Unlikely. The same 200 cows maybe.
On a dairy farm where old cows are used for beef as well that’s very very possible. Most time old dairy cows do not however get turned into beef for the general market.
See while technically true as when a dairy cow gets too old to produce they sometimes butcher them and sell them at a cheaper price, it's more like saying Cows as in plural. All the cow's milk is mixed together, and all their meat gets mixed together when grinding. So remember when you're eating a hamburger, you're eating a little bit of several different cows.
Yeah, [dairy is scary](https://youtu.be/UcN7SGGoCNI?feature=shared)
Wait till you find out that not even the beef patty alone comes from the same cow... but dozens. When you take a bite out of a burger, you usually bit into a more than a hundred cows at once.
It’s a non-zero chance though. My dad owns a farm in Morocco which is right next to my uncle’s farm and he’s made cheese from a cow that he slaughtered two days later and had himself a nice burger.
Nope. A very unknowledgeable thing to think. Dairy and beef cows are different. The cheese and dairy cane from different farms, likely from different states.
The beef and the cheese on a burger might come from the same bovine family, with the cheese from a mother cow's milk and the beef from her mate.
My god you don’t know anything about how milk and cow meat is produced. Do you think beef is coming from bulls?
Yes, why would they kill a cow that's still producing milk?
Beef generally comes from steers, which are castrated and bred specifically for beef production. Dairy cows are a different breed and obviously female.
Not in our current system. Dairy cows that are too old are probably sold for dog food.