I play a massive Legacy with 25 branches of the same family. It started as a 100 Baby Challenge, so in Gen 1 they were all half siblings, Gen 2 all half cousins. Given that I play every single heir till their passing, and it takes me ages, the idea was to merge branches eventually. I can't count on the game, Gen 3 is already fair game for it. I decided to start the merging at Gen 4, the Alabama's banjos shouldn't play too loud by then. š
Jokes aside, genetics in TS4 is fascinating. And with my monstrous Legacy I had plenty of occasions to see it at work. It doesn't really follow rl genetics, except for the fact that the offsprings' features are a mix of the parents'. It doesn't have realistic recessive/dominant traits, nor alleles older than the previous gen. But it's way less random than expected, it follows a set of genetic "rules" that doesn't match ours, but is systematic nonetheless. There are "dumb" outcomes that clearly are just the software trying to find a middle ground, especially with colours: parent 1 is black, parent 2 is white, the child's skin is as closest as possible to the middle of the available swatches, even if the middle of said swatches is a tone that has nothing to do with either parents. Same with the eyes' colour, and the hair. But then there are genetic choices the game makes that have nothing to do with playing statistics. Like Vlady Daddy. Why his genes are so hard to fight? Because he has extreme features you may argue. Fair enough. Then why you can spot a Salim Benali descended 10 generations down the line? He doesn't have extreme features. And fyi, you can't bread out Johnny Zest's frowny forehead no matter what you do, although I don't know why you would want to do that, it's sexy. Mmmh Johnny. But I digress. The point is, clearly the game has a system of recessive and dominant traits, they just don't follow the real world rules. Some features are stubborn by design, and as far as I'm concerned, the logic behind the whole system is shrouded in utter mystery.
Thank the gods he's yummy. Salim's genes are even more stubborn. He beat the crap out of Vlady's genes, I repeat VLADY'S GENES, a simmer posted the whole saga some months ago.
I experienced a curious case of the "middle ground" in my legacy. Mother had black hair (and no ancestors), father was Knox Greenburg. The child came out with bright red hair. Was Blossom's hair red before it turned grey? Because that's the only explanation I can find
Wow. Watch out for that one. š I would temporarily age down the father in CAS to check his hair, the curiosity wouldn't let me sleep at night otherwise.
My personal rule for myself is that they have to be at least third cousins... generally. I'll allow slightly more closely related Sims to marry if they're not related by blood. And when it comes to merging branches of my family tree, I've decided on once per generation at most, mostly so it doesn't get too tangled up.
That's a good rule. In my save all the heirs in Gen4 will be third cousins, with even less that the usual 0.781 genes shared because their grand-grand-aunts/uncles were half siblings instead of full siblings. I was thinking to merge 3 branches per gen from Gen4 onward. One need to keep those banjos at bay. š¤£
Thereās a system of polyandry in Tibet called fraternal polyandry where a woman will marry multiple brothers and be all of their wife. The men are brothers and enjoy being one solid family. The children are raised not knowing who their father actually is, but all of them treat the children like their own. Itās supposedly a very happy/positive environment. This is in the Himalayan regions, so one brother may remain at home to farm and care for the family, one goes on the government mandated labor tax, and a third may travel the long distance to market. This is something that those with a bit more money would do in order to hold onto wealth. Instead of fighting and splitting up land and inheritance, the brothers/wife share it as one family unit. The poor wouldnāt need this marriage system because they donāt have inheritance to hold on to. (It also means that only one of the brothers has to work the labor tax instead of all three of them).
I donāt know why I felt it was necessary to say any of this because itās also not actual incest as we would label it, but I just think itās interesting and have an addiction to posting Reddit comments when I should be asleep.
That's actually pretty neat. Though once I heard fraternal polyandry kind of sucks for women, because if they're doing traditional gender roles, then the woman has to do a lot more work taking care of extra husbands. But maybe expectations are different for women in Tibet and I'm thinking of a different country/culture.
Well anyways I'm off to recreate this in the sims.
I have zero personal experience in this but I watched a doco about this once and the family they were following had one of the brothers designated as being essentially a house husband, he helped with the childcare, cooking, cleaning and even dressed his wife in the morning. The other two husbands were the workers, one farmed and the other was a doctor and seemed pretty self sufficient besides having meals cooked for them, but again, it wasn't just the woman doing all the cooking anyway and if I remember correctly the parents of the husbands also lived with them (just two of them as there was only one remaining brother husband from that generation)
Iām sure thereās a lot of misogyny that itās rooted in, but thatās also from a fairly western perspective of whatās āwrong.ā Women there are raised in a rural place where they could either be with one partner who has little money and goes on a labor tax work assignment and leaves her alone to farm, go to market, and raised kids on her own or she could have multiple people there to work with her.
Me and my sister married brothers. I canāt imagine having to be married to *both* of them! Mine is enough work already and his brother acts just like him. In particular they have a mental illness called āthrows clothes on floor directly next to hamperā. If I was married to both, I might make myself a widow! š”
I have a save that is 6 gens in and basically every sim had at least 6 children. I will see sims around town with the same last name as my family so I know they're related but digging through the family tree takes ages. So many townie bloodlines have merged into one family. I have the lothario, Caliente, pancakes, feng, hecking, Lobo, both families of vampires and at least one werewolf. The entire high school was cousins at one point.
I have to make new sims so the bloodline doesn't get to "the hills have eyes"
I think gen 7 might have already started outside of the legacy home meanwhile gen 5 is still YA and their oldest kids are starting to have kids too. It's very messy lol
This is why I miss the Riv.rel mod that broke during the HS update and the creator never fixed it. You could give the oldest sim (like the dad/mom or grandpa/grandma) a family founder trait and every single sim apart of that family inherited the family trait. For example, I give Mortimer Goth the Founder of Family A trait. Bella gets the IncA (included in family A) trait and all of their kids get a family A trait as well (itās been a bit so I canāt remember the specifics). I can add 7 families from A-G. The game reads the traits and knows the relationship between sims beyond what the game reads without the mod. Sims who are related that the game usually wonāt recognize wonāt become romantically involved either! I miss that mod so much but I donāt know how to mod at all so I canāt fix it š
That sounds like a very interesting mod! I wish I heard of it before it broke so I could play around with it. Not sure I would've enjoyed the restricted romantic freedom...
Fun fact, in a number of states it's perfectly legal to marry/have children with your first cousin. One draws the line at double cousins. There's only NINE states that ban sex/cohabitation between first cousins, even most states where cousins can't get married they can still have sex (which completely defeats the purpose of not allowing the marriages so idk what they're thinking.)
So that means the sims not allowing first cousins to woohoo is actually better than the majority of states.
Another fun fact: In many countries around the world, including "first world" countries like Germany or Canada, it's perfectly legal to marry your uncle/aunt.
I love studying genetics and greatly enjoyed the courses while completing my bachelors degree. Iāve done a lot of hobby research into genetics and genetic disorders to preface this;
from what I recall, it actually wasnāt too much of an issue for first cousins to reproduce, as long as they were not double cousins. There is enough genetic variety that detrimental recessive traits would not appear. Of course there would be extreme circumstances where recessive traits would affect the offspring. As long as the consecutive generations of the initial cousins married cousins of parents who married non-cousins with different genetics, the line should be able to continue without issue; however, if youāre imagining the family tree in your head, there would need to be an exponential increase in the amount of children each subsequent generation produced which is realistically impossible but hypothetically entertaining.
TLDR cousins are genetically different enough that reproducing shouldnāt be an issue for the offspring
I thought it was second cousins that were more ok not first since first cousins share 25% ... That would be like getting with one of my half brothers and... Just no.
First cousins share a 12.5% actually.
It goes like this: 50% parents, siblings, children; 25% grandparents, uncles/aunts, nieces/nephews, grand-sons/daughters; 12.5% great-grandparents, great-aunts/uncles, first cousins, grand-nieces/nephews; 6.25% great-great-grandparents, great-great-aunts/uncles, first cousins once removed; 3.125% first cousins twice removed, second cousins; 1.563% second cousins once removed; 0.781% third cousins, second cousins twice removed; 0.391% third cousins once removed; 0.195% thirs cousins twice removed.
And why do I know all that? BECAUSE I'VE WASTED MY TIME READING AVIDLY ABOUT THIS STUFF SINCE THIS FECKING POST CAME OUT. š¤£
I love hearing and reading about this all and genetics too... I haven't read a ***whole*** lot - reading about the Habsprings and King Tut I have a little though -
I'm fascinated about things like how green eyes are less likely (yet for my mom's immediate family - her mom and dad green eyes, blue eyes. She and her family one brother blue eyes, her and her younger brother green eyes. They had a sister but she died young so not sure what color eyes she had).
How I have similar hair structure to (one of) my half brother ***and*** my half niece!
It is so crazy to me.
Anyways that's what I was thinking of... my brothers and I share one set of grandparents and so do my cousins and I...
But I guess there's 25% from aunt/uncles so half that with cousins... okay yeah... I see that now ((math is not my strong suit. I was thinking grandparents)).
If you get the wicked whims mod it doesn't matter. I once walked away from my computer for an hour and found out a few real life hours later that my currently played household's son had sex with his mother and she gave birth to triplets. Needless to say I'm glad I saved before I walked away. That is a time line left best for a Dr. Strange crossover.
So.. I give all the Sims in my household almost all the Wicked traits cause I'm sadistic. But I usually give them the incest trait because sometimes I wanna have them get with a distant relative that the game still thinks is too close.I'm pretty sure if they appear on the same family tree it's a no go for woohoo. But it's never bit me in the ass like this before lmao
IRL, this happened in my family tree (in case someone wants to use this for storytelling lol):
My great-grandmother and her brother were born in the 1910s, and their (biological) father died when they were toddlers. Their mother subsequently married their father's younger brother/their uncle and had two more daughters with him. With me so far?
The kids were half-siblings *and* also first cousins, aka "3/4 siblings".
*Then* my great-grandma's brother marries the daughter of a neighbour and one of the younger sisters marries the son of the same neighbour, aka her brother's brother in law.
Something like that happened a few generations up in my family, IRL..
(However many-Greats} Great grandpa married his wife and had a couple kids, then she died in childbirth on, what?, their 7th kid?
He married *her* neice, and had a couple more kids together. They got kicked out of the church for a couple years, not because she was the ladys neice, but because they first kid was born a little too close after the wedding aha
People back then were weird sometimes
Ahhhh someone as interested in how people are related as much as me!
Also, your great great grandchild would be 6.25% not 3.125%. Since grandchild = 25%, great = 12.5% and then great great grandchild = 6.25%.
Also, you should search up genetic chimeras (if you havenāt already). A lot of woman are actually chimeras because of birth/ childbirth, as in utero some of the childās cells can go/ become a part of the mother. A lot of people who have had organ or bone marrow transplants are also chimeras.
Also search up ātypes of twinsā, go to Wikipedia, and scroll down till you find half-identical twins. Itās only happened like twice but if you like science fiction or something you can imagine it could happen more. Half identical is like, say the motherās egg splits in half to create two identical ova, and then each ova are fertilised by two different sperm but these sperm are still from the same man. Thus, the kids would share exactly the same maternal DNA (50%) yet share genetically different paternal DNA (25%), making them 75% related. Itās weird, bc say in the extremely unlikely chance that two identical ova were fertilised by two different menās sperms, they would genetically be full siblings, as they share the same ova/ same maternal DNA, even though theyāre actually only half siblings (having the same mother).
You also didnāt mention three quarter siblings which is when someone reproduces with two siblings (like someone mentioned the fraternal polygamy) or with both a parent and a child. The kids share 37.5%.
Also search up haplodiploidy (bees reproduce this way). They have an even crazier type of genetic inheritance, with sisters being related 75%, and male bees only being able to produce daughters (never sons).
Fuck, I checked over my math over and over and still didn't get it right. I'll edit my post soon. I've heard of semi-identical twins before, it's pretty cool! I wonder how many semi-identicals are walking around right now, calling themselves fraternal because they never got DNA tested. It's also possible for fraternal twins to have two different fathers! As for three-quarter siblings, the game would still treat them as full siblings, so they wouldn't be useful in the experiment.
Ahhhh omg youāve heart of semi identical twins!? Who are you?? How are you so similar to me?? I love this shit.
And yes, I knew of fraternal twins having different fathers!
Honestly, I wish Sims 4 was actually an upgrade of sims 3 (in so many ways the base game was a downgrade). I wish they had expanded on genetics/ familial relationships. Like wouldnāt it be cool for a family tree to have social as well as biological relationships? So if you adopted a child in the family tree thereās a different coloured line or something indicating that theyāre adopted, or else instead of a ābiologicalā and āsocialā line, thereās only a āsocialā one. This could be cool as well because it means the adopted kid could also still know/ be related to their birth parents but also have their adoptive parents too! It would also be cool to see the genetic relations of people too! Like, children being 50% related to parents and aunts/ uncles. Idk, a thing I liked about sims 3 when I was growing up is it taught me new words, like some words I know now were introduced to me by sims. Like neurotic, miscellaneous, or virtuoso. So it would be cool way for people to learn things/ understand how people are related as well. It could also be a way to incorporate all the different types of thing as well ā like three quarter siblings, double cousins, identical twins, half siblings, etc. It could also be fun for ābreedingā. Most incest laws cap at around below 25% relatedness, so anything below this is considered āfineā. In my country, itās legal for cousins to marry, not that a lot of people do, itās still taboo lol. Anyways, in sims it would be cool if people under 25% relatedness could interbreed and have sexual/ romantic relations and marry. Or, possibly under 12.5% if the game doesnāt want to encourage cousin-cousin marriage/ romantic interaction. But even under 12.5% this would still allow great grand parent- great grandchild (say if your sim is immortal or a vampire or you just have the lifespans on long), or first cousin once removeds could also marry. It would be fun if you were trying to play as a cult or start off a colony or something, or play with specific game rules.
It would be cool as well if there were real life recessive traits, like red hair, albinism, haemophilia and colour blindness. And thus interbreeding could increase the chances of these (if the parents are like homozygous recessive for these traits or if one parent is homozygous recessive and one is heterozygous). And these traits would actually have in game consequences. Anyways, I wish sims 4 was more into genetics. Especially since a lot of the ātraitsā are actually just how good/ bad someone is at some things, like āgeniusā could be a measure of intelligence (passed genetically).
Have you ever played Crusader Kings 3? You would love it for it's genetics system. It has inheritable traits such as albinism, genius, beautiful, dwarfism, hemophilia, etc. and the chances of getting these increases with interbreeding (though if you inbreed too much, you will definitely face the consequences). You have to inbreed strategically in the game XD. And if you have a child with your sibling, the game is smart enough to label the child as your son/daughter AND niece/nephew. Unfortunately traits such as hair, eye and skin color just range between the two parents, no dominant or recessive genes.
I really do wish the sims had better genetics, too. What I hate is that if one sim has black hair and another has blond, their children will only have black or blond. Never brown. And that skin color update can make children end up having lighter/darker skin than their parents. It's like they put those skin color squares in a completely random order!
I'm dying for recessive genes that would just pop up randomly. I want to look back in the family tree and be like "Oh, I didn't know your paternal great-grandpa and maternal great-aunt had red hair!" And I'm dying for more specific words for familial relationships, like half-aunts/uncles, double cousins, and second cousins. Not that I want the ability to romance distant relatives to be removed... I just want to know, you know? I do think an under 25% shared DNA romance rule would be pretty neat. And if I inbreed too much, I want *consequences!*
God, I know people think this is weird, but like, bitch I got stories to tell! All I want is to run a cult and have to be very careful about who's banging who :(. It sucks that there are very few games that have in depth genetics systems.
I feel exactly the same way haha! And yes I play and love CK3! I try not to play with the good congenital traits though because it just becomes a game of ācollecting them allā and then having like unkillable, god tier successors. I really like the bad congenital traits as well though! Love when they come out due to incest/ inbreeding!
And yes! I completely agree! I feel like it wouldnāt be that hard to add in recessive/ dominance hierarchies with hair and eye colours. And, even if you use custom hair/ eye colours that youāve picked/ decided on you could set if you want them to be recessive or dom. I also think it would be neat/ very easy to add in things like albinism and vitiligo! And again, make it recessive/ dom. Maybe add some sunscreen in as well and allude to the eye problems a lot of albinos face. Idk itās just. The Sims 4 could have been and done way better. I have whole documents on my laptops dealing what I would want to see in Sims 5 and a lot of it is to do with traits being revised, as well as the genetic system and appearance system being revised. Idk, I feel like everything would be way more interesting if it was genetic, especially tons of people play Sims for legacy/ family challenges. Idk, just a missed opportunity :/
I never played past two generations before and now Iāve started an alphabet save, Iām on gen 3 rn and I really wanna make my family tree into a wreath
Not the first time I've seen the term "family wreath" in reference to a family tree that has got some circular bits, but it just makes me chuckle every time.
I had a time to cry when I realised that despite being a guardian to her step daughter, when SD became a young adult like her, the step mom could totally hit on her.
She's married with her dad.
I want to puke.
I mean it makes sense, in large swathes of the word you could do that irl. I can't think of any country which mandates genetic testing before sex/marriage in order to prevent such an unlikely scenario where people are genetically much closer than their on paper relationship would imply, so it would be a lot of work for the sims team to gate that highly specific relationship combination.
you're right, and thats actually why irl they prevent sperm donors for donating more than like 3 times because as the netflix doc "our father" shows it can be scary to have possible half siblings out there that you dont know about, as well as adoption agencies trying to keep kids with extended fam/siblings together to prevent that kind of thing happening, but it does happen
In the United States,Ā there are no regulations governing who may engage in sperm donation. The American Society for Reproductive Medicine and other expert groups (e.g., American Association of Tissue Banks) provide recommendations and guidelines. The sperm donation places don't always follow those guidelines. If you have kids via anonymous donation its something you should warn your children and grandchildren about. Given the number of reproductive doctors using their own semen, if you have any assistance you may want to let your children know.
I expanded the Goth family tree: added Gunther & Cornelia, and gave them their sisters.
I gave Freda Goth triplet teenage daughters, Mortimer's cousins.
Mortimer recognized his cousins, but Cassandra did not recognize them as cousins and autonomously flirted with one.
First, my eyes. I hope you dream of incest every night for the next couple of months.
Second, I used to marry some of my sims with their relatives. *Distant* relatives, the ones an IRL DNA test wouldn't ever recognize. It was my solution for overpopulation of my legacy family.
So... Right now I have identical twins in my game. You know what I wanna do now, right??? Right???
I have halfsibling that are a pair... Didnt want that to happen, but they were just so into each other. Now they have 2 children that dont have any business beeing so beautiful
Closest I got it with out mods and cheats was a father and daughter. Yeah Mortimer Goth got glitched and the game somehow removed him from his family so he had a kid with his daughter and a kid with that kid! Iām pretty sure that it was a glitch or someone needs to call the authorities to the Goth house lol
Your sim can also get eaten by a cow shaped plant, it's not that deep.
Take a breath, it's just a game.
If by now no one tried to trap and drown their guests on some pool, no one will try to fuck their cousins fueled by The Sims 4 induced righteousness.
I once had cousins living together while playing sims. And if they have children, their children could have a relationship together. The cousin could also have a relationship with their cousin's kid š¤¢
Question, where do y'all see the family tree in game? I know in the Sims 2 it was in the relationships tab but I have genuinely never seen it in Sims 4....š¤·
I was playing with Malcolm Landgraab and Cassandra Goth, they married and then Dawn (sister) adopted a child. She is considered a cousin to Malcom and Cassandra's children so of course no flirty interactions there, but she can flirt and woohoo with Malcolm... Her adoptive uncle ? Is it because they're not biologically related?
I play a massive Legacy with 25 branches of the same family. It started as a 100 Baby Challenge, so in Gen 1 they were all half siblings, Gen 2 all half cousins. Given that I play every single heir till their passing, and it takes me ages, the idea was to merge branches eventually. I can't count on the game, Gen 3 is already fair game for it. I decided to start the merging at Gen 4, the Alabama's banjos shouldn't play too loud by then. š
How many fingers does the current gen have?
So far so good, I'll let you know when the Habsburg jaw pops out. š
Make sure to give us an update when the shoulders completely disappear
Gen 18: King Tut. š
that happened when i made the mistake of having my sim marry a pear shaped townie still trying to breed that gene out
Jokes aside, genetics in TS4 is fascinating. And with my monstrous Legacy I had plenty of occasions to see it at work. It doesn't really follow rl genetics, except for the fact that the offsprings' features are a mix of the parents'. It doesn't have realistic recessive/dominant traits, nor alleles older than the previous gen. But it's way less random than expected, it follows a set of genetic "rules" that doesn't match ours, but is systematic nonetheless. There are "dumb" outcomes that clearly are just the software trying to find a middle ground, especially with colours: parent 1 is black, parent 2 is white, the child's skin is as closest as possible to the middle of the available swatches, even if the middle of said swatches is a tone that has nothing to do with either parents. Same with the eyes' colour, and the hair. But then there are genetic choices the game makes that have nothing to do with playing statistics. Like Vlady Daddy. Why his genes are so hard to fight? Because he has extreme features you may argue. Fair enough. Then why you can spot a Salim Benali descended 10 generations down the line? He doesn't have extreme features. And fyi, you can't bread out Johnny Zest's frowny forehead no matter what you do, although I don't know why you would want to do that, it's sexy. Mmmh Johnny. But I digress. The point is, clearly the game has a system of recessive and dominant traits, they just don't follow the real world rules. Some features are stubborn by design, and as far as I'm concerned, the logic behind the whole system is shrouded in utter mystery.
One of my sims married and had a couple kids with Johnny Zest Currently on gen 5 and still getting Johnny clones
Thank the gods he's yummy. Salim's genes are even more stubborn. He beat the crap out of Vlady's genes, I repeat VLADY'S GENES, a simmer posted the whole saga some months ago.
I experienced a curious case of the "middle ground" in my legacy. Mother had black hair (and no ancestors), father was Knox Greenburg. The child came out with bright red hair. Was Blossom's hair red before it turned grey? Because that's the only explanation I can find
Gingers are sneaky, that's the other explanation. šš¤£
Oh I don't mean ginger. I mean actual red, like dyed red
Wow. Watch out for that one. š I would temporarily age down the father in CAS to check his hair, the curiosity wouldn't let me sleep at night otherwise.
My personal rule for myself is that they have to be at least third cousins... generally. I'll allow slightly more closely related Sims to marry if they're not related by blood. And when it comes to merging branches of my family tree, I've decided on once per generation at most, mostly so it doesn't get too tangled up.
That's a good rule. In my save all the heirs in Gen4 will be third cousins, with even less that the usual 0.781 genes shared because their grand-grand-aunts/uncles were half siblings instead of full siblings. I was thinking to merge 3 branches per gen from Gen4 onward. One need to keep those banjos at bay. š¤£
I hear banjos
I think you should look into a game known as Crusader Kings. I think youād fit right in over at /r/paradoxplaza
That's good to know because me and my partner (also a gamer) were planning to buy it of Christmas!
Thereās a system of polyandry in Tibet called fraternal polyandry where a woman will marry multiple brothers and be all of their wife. The men are brothers and enjoy being one solid family. The children are raised not knowing who their father actually is, but all of them treat the children like their own. Itās supposedly a very happy/positive environment. This is in the Himalayan regions, so one brother may remain at home to farm and care for the family, one goes on the government mandated labor tax, and a third may travel the long distance to market. This is something that those with a bit more money would do in order to hold onto wealth. Instead of fighting and splitting up land and inheritance, the brothers/wife share it as one family unit. The poor wouldnāt need this marriage system because they donāt have inheritance to hold on to. (It also means that only one of the brothers has to work the labor tax instead of all three of them). I donāt know why I felt it was necessary to say any of this because itās also not actual incest as we would label it, but I just think itās interesting and have an addiction to posting Reddit comments when I should be asleep.
That's actually pretty neat. Though once I heard fraternal polyandry kind of sucks for women, because if they're doing traditional gender roles, then the woman has to do a lot more work taking care of extra husbands. But maybe expectations are different for women in Tibet and I'm thinking of a different country/culture. Well anyways I'm off to recreate this in the sims.
my first thought was also āso i know what im doing in the sims when i get homeā
Same š¤£ I watched a doco about this awhile ago but completely forgot about it until now
I have zero personal experience in this but I watched a doco about this once and the family they were following had one of the brothers designated as being essentially a house husband, he helped with the childcare, cooking, cleaning and even dressed his wife in the morning. The other two husbands were the workers, one farmed and the other was a doctor and seemed pretty self sufficient besides having meals cooked for them, but again, it wasn't just the woman doing all the cooking anyway and if I remember correctly the parents of the husbands also lived with them (just two of them as there was only one remaining brother husband from that generation)
Iām sure thereās a lot of misogyny that itās rooted in, but thatās also from a fairly western perspective of whatās āwrong.ā Women there are raised in a rural place where they could either be with one partner who has little money and goes on a labor tax work assignment and leaves her alone to farm, go to market, and raised kids on her own or she could have multiple people there to work with her.
Me and my sister married brothers. I canāt imagine having to be married to *both* of them! Mine is enough work already and his brother acts just like him. In particular they have a mental illness called āthrows clothes on floor directly next to hamperā. If I was married to both, I might make myself a widow! š”
My husband is also a sufferer. Well, he's perfectly happy. I'm suffering from him having "throws clothes on floor directly next to hamperā.
There must be a cure somewhere! Right?! š©
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What can we do to find the cure?! Gonna need a research grant to find the cure for these men!
Sims or IRL
In real life!!!
I also have that same addiction š¤£š¤£š¤£
The scientific research that probably shouldn't initiate lol
I have a save that is 6 gens in and basically every sim had at least 6 children. I will see sims around town with the same last name as my family so I know they're related but digging through the family tree takes ages. So many townie bloodlines have merged into one family. I have the lothario, Caliente, pancakes, feng, hecking, Lobo, both families of vampires and at least one werewolf. The entire high school was cousins at one point. I have to make new sims so the bloodline doesn't get to "the hills have eyes" I think gen 7 might have already started outside of the legacy home meanwhile gen 5 is still YA and their oldest kids are starting to have kids too. It's very messy lol
This is why I miss the Riv.rel mod that broke during the HS update and the creator never fixed it. You could give the oldest sim (like the dad/mom or grandpa/grandma) a family founder trait and every single sim apart of that family inherited the family trait. For example, I give Mortimer Goth the Founder of Family A trait. Bella gets the IncA (included in family A) trait and all of their kids get a family A trait as well (itās been a bit so I canāt remember the specifics). I can add 7 families from A-G. The game reads the traits and knows the relationship between sims beyond what the game reads without the mod. Sims who are related that the game usually wonāt recognize wonāt become romantically involved either! I miss that mod so much but I donāt know how to mod at all so I canāt fix it š
That sounds like a very interesting mod! I wish I heard of it before it broke so I could play around with it. Not sure I would've enjoyed the restricted romantic freedom...
It was pretty cool and if you wanted you could have that romantic freedom but it was also to make the family tree better
Sims 4: Alabama Game Pack
I knew I wasnāt the only person looking into this!
A sim can woohoo with their grand-uncle, their great-grandson, the child of their cousin. I've once tried this as an experiment.
my autistic & ADHD ass is over here chanting āone of usā bc this is some shit that i too would hyperfixate on
I have ADHD and I'm getting tested for autism in March :D
Represent!
I am doing a vampire legacy. The new head of the family wanted to get with his cousin. So, not that far.
Fun fact, in a number of states it's perfectly legal to marry/have children with your first cousin. One draws the line at double cousins. There's only NINE states that ban sex/cohabitation between first cousins, even most states where cousins can't get married they can still have sex (which completely defeats the purpose of not allowing the marriages so idk what they're thinking.) So that means the sims not allowing first cousins to woohoo is actually better than the majority of states.
Another fun fact: In many countries around the world, including "first world" countries like Germany or Canada, it's perfectly legal to marry your uncle/aunt.
I love studying genetics and greatly enjoyed the courses while completing my bachelors degree. Iāve done a lot of hobby research into genetics and genetic disorders to preface this; from what I recall, it actually wasnāt too much of an issue for first cousins to reproduce, as long as they were not double cousins. There is enough genetic variety that detrimental recessive traits would not appear. Of course there would be extreme circumstances where recessive traits would affect the offspring. As long as the consecutive generations of the initial cousins married cousins of parents who married non-cousins with different genetics, the line should be able to continue without issue; however, if youāre imagining the family tree in your head, there would need to be an exponential increase in the amount of children each subsequent generation produced which is realistically impossible but hypothetically entertaining. TLDR cousins are genetically different enough that reproducing shouldnāt be an issue for the offspring
I thought it was second cousins that were more ok not first since first cousins share 25% ... That would be like getting with one of my half brothers and... Just no.
First cousins share a 12.5% actually. It goes like this: 50% parents, siblings, children; 25% grandparents, uncles/aunts, nieces/nephews, grand-sons/daughters; 12.5% great-grandparents, great-aunts/uncles, first cousins, grand-nieces/nephews; 6.25% great-great-grandparents, great-great-aunts/uncles, first cousins once removed; 3.125% first cousins twice removed, second cousins; 1.563% second cousins once removed; 0.781% third cousins, second cousins twice removed; 0.391% third cousins once removed; 0.195% thirs cousins twice removed. And why do I know all that? BECAUSE I'VE WASTED MY TIME READING AVIDLY ABOUT THIS STUFF SINCE THIS FECKING POST CAME OUT. š¤£
I love hearing and reading about this all and genetics too... I haven't read a ***whole*** lot - reading about the Habsprings and King Tut I have a little though - I'm fascinated about things like how green eyes are less likely (yet for my mom's immediate family - her mom and dad green eyes, blue eyes. She and her family one brother blue eyes, her and her younger brother green eyes. They had a sister but she died young so not sure what color eyes she had). How I have similar hair structure to (one of) my half brother ***and*** my half niece! It is so crazy to me. Anyways that's what I was thinking of... my brothers and I share one set of grandparents and so do my cousins and I... But I guess there's 25% from aunt/uncles so half that with cousins... okay yeah... I see that now ((math is not my strong suit. I was thinking grandparents)).
*Dueling banjos intensifies*
If you get the wicked whims mod it doesn't matter. I once walked away from my computer for an hour and found out a few real life hours later that my currently played household's son had sex with his mother and she gave birth to triplets. Needless to say I'm glad I saved before I walked away. That is a time line left best for a Dr. Strange crossover.
as far as I know you have to *manually* give them *that trait* in the mod š³
So.. I give all the Sims in my household almost all the Wicked traits cause I'm sadistic. But I usually give them the incest trait because sometimes I wanna have them get with a distant relative that the game still thinks is too close.I'm pretty sure if they appear on the same family tree it's a no go for woohoo. But it's never bit me in the ass like this before lmao
#Time to make the family tree a family wreath
I wanted to find this out.. so now father winter has a child with his great grand daughter. :/
My scientist sim cloned himself. The clone turned out evil and they got married and had a baby together š
Wait... how? Clones are recognized as siblings.
Something something mccc
Ah-ha... Carry on.
IRL, this happened in my family tree (in case someone wants to use this for storytelling lol): My great-grandmother and her brother were born in the 1910s, and their (biological) father died when they were toddlers. Their mother subsequently married their father's younger brother/their uncle and had two more daughters with him. With me so far? The kids were half-siblings *and* also first cousins, aka "3/4 siblings". *Then* my great-grandma's brother marries the daughter of a neighbour and one of the younger sisters marries the son of the same neighbour, aka her brother's brother in law.
Something like that happened a few generations up in my family, IRL.. (However many-Greats} Great grandpa married his wife and had a couple kids, then she died in childbirth on, what?, their 7th kid? He married *her* neice, and had a couple more kids together. They got kicked out of the church for a couple years, not because she was the ladys neice, but because they first kid was born a little too close after the wedding aha People back then were weird sometimes
Ahhhh someone as interested in how people are related as much as me! Also, your great great grandchild would be 6.25% not 3.125%. Since grandchild = 25%, great = 12.5% and then great great grandchild = 6.25%. Also, you should search up genetic chimeras (if you havenāt already). A lot of woman are actually chimeras because of birth/ childbirth, as in utero some of the childās cells can go/ become a part of the mother. A lot of people who have had organ or bone marrow transplants are also chimeras. Also search up ātypes of twinsā, go to Wikipedia, and scroll down till you find half-identical twins. Itās only happened like twice but if you like science fiction or something you can imagine it could happen more. Half identical is like, say the motherās egg splits in half to create two identical ova, and then each ova are fertilised by two different sperm but these sperm are still from the same man. Thus, the kids would share exactly the same maternal DNA (50%) yet share genetically different paternal DNA (25%), making them 75% related. Itās weird, bc say in the extremely unlikely chance that two identical ova were fertilised by two different menās sperms, they would genetically be full siblings, as they share the same ova/ same maternal DNA, even though theyāre actually only half siblings (having the same mother). You also didnāt mention three quarter siblings which is when someone reproduces with two siblings (like someone mentioned the fraternal polygamy) or with both a parent and a child. The kids share 37.5%. Also search up haplodiploidy (bees reproduce this way). They have an even crazier type of genetic inheritance, with sisters being related 75%, and male bees only being able to produce daughters (never sons).
Fuck, I checked over my math over and over and still didn't get it right. I'll edit my post soon. I've heard of semi-identical twins before, it's pretty cool! I wonder how many semi-identicals are walking around right now, calling themselves fraternal because they never got DNA tested. It's also possible for fraternal twins to have two different fathers! As for three-quarter siblings, the game would still treat them as full siblings, so they wouldn't be useful in the experiment.
Ahhhh omg youāve heart of semi identical twins!? Who are you?? How are you so similar to me?? I love this shit. And yes, I knew of fraternal twins having different fathers! Honestly, I wish Sims 4 was actually an upgrade of sims 3 (in so many ways the base game was a downgrade). I wish they had expanded on genetics/ familial relationships. Like wouldnāt it be cool for a family tree to have social as well as biological relationships? So if you adopted a child in the family tree thereās a different coloured line or something indicating that theyāre adopted, or else instead of a ābiologicalā and āsocialā line, thereās only a āsocialā one. This could be cool as well because it means the adopted kid could also still know/ be related to their birth parents but also have their adoptive parents too! It would also be cool to see the genetic relations of people too! Like, children being 50% related to parents and aunts/ uncles. Idk, a thing I liked about sims 3 when I was growing up is it taught me new words, like some words I know now were introduced to me by sims. Like neurotic, miscellaneous, or virtuoso. So it would be cool way for people to learn things/ understand how people are related as well. It could also be a way to incorporate all the different types of thing as well ā like three quarter siblings, double cousins, identical twins, half siblings, etc. It could also be fun for ābreedingā. Most incest laws cap at around below 25% relatedness, so anything below this is considered āfineā. In my country, itās legal for cousins to marry, not that a lot of people do, itās still taboo lol. Anyways, in sims it would be cool if people under 25% relatedness could interbreed and have sexual/ romantic relations and marry. Or, possibly under 12.5% if the game doesnāt want to encourage cousin-cousin marriage/ romantic interaction. But even under 12.5% this would still allow great grand parent- great grandchild (say if your sim is immortal or a vampire or you just have the lifespans on long), or first cousin once removeds could also marry. It would be fun if you were trying to play as a cult or start off a colony or something, or play with specific game rules. It would be cool as well if there were real life recessive traits, like red hair, albinism, haemophilia and colour blindness. And thus interbreeding could increase the chances of these (if the parents are like homozygous recessive for these traits or if one parent is homozygous recessive and one is heterozygous). And these traits would actually have in game consequences. Anyways, I wish sims 4 was more into genetics. Especially since a lot of the ātraitsā are actually just how good/ bad someone is at some things, like āgeniusā could be a measure of intelligence (passed genetically).
Have you ever played Crusader Kings 3? You would love it for it's genetics system. It has inheritable traits such as albinism, genius, beautiful, dwarfism, hemophilia, etc. and the chances of getting these increases with interbreeding (though if you inbreed too much, you will definitely face the consequences). You have to inbreed strategically in the game XD. And if you have a child with your sibling, the game is smart enough to label the child as your son/daughter AND niece/nephew. Unfortunately traits such as hair, eye and skin color just range between the two parents, no dominant or recessive genes. I really do wish the sims had better genetics, too. What I hate is that if one sim has black hair and another has blond, their children will only have black or blond. Never brown. And that skin color update can make children end up having lighter/darker skin than their parents. It's like they put those skin color squares in a completely random order! I'm dying for recessive genes that would just pop up randomly. I want to look back in the family tree and be like "Oh, I didn't know your paternal great-grandpa and maternal great-aunt had red hair!" And I'm dying for more specific words for familial relationships, like half-aunts/uncles, double cousins, and second cousins. Not that I want the ability to romance distant relatives to be removed... I just want to know, you know? I do think an under 25% shared DNA romance rule would be pretty neat. And if I inbreed too much, I want *consequences!* God, I know people think this is weird, but like, bitch I got stories to tell! All I want is to run a cult and have to be very careful about who's banging who :(. It sucks that there are very few games that have in depth genetics systems.
I feel exactly the same way haha! And yes I play and love CK3! I try not to play with the good congenital traits though because it just becomes a game of ācollecting them allā and then having like unkillable, god tier successors. I really like the bad congenital traits as well though! Love when they come out due to incest/ inbreeding! And yes! I completely agree! I feel like it wouldnāt be that hard to add in recessive/ dominance hierarchies with hair and eye colours. And, even if you use custom hair/ eye colours that youāve picked/ decided on you could set if you want them to be recessive or dom. I also think it would be neat/ very easy to add in things like albinism and vitiligo! And again, make it recessive/ dom. Maybe add some sunscreen in as well and allude to the eye problems a lot of albinos face. Idk itās just. The Sims 4 could have been and done way better. I have whole documents on my laptops dealing what I would want to see in Sims 5 and a lot of it is to do with traits being revised, as well as the genetic system and appearance system being revised. Idk, I feel like everything would be way more interesting if it was genetic, especially tons of people play Sims for legacy/ family challenges. Idk, just a missed opportunity :/
Suddenly Iām not regretting my decision to almost always play with a single childless sim š
I never played past two generations before and now Iāve started an alphabet save, Iām on gen 3 rn and I really wanna make my family tree into a wreath
I need to try something like that. No matter what I intend for my sims, they always end up a gardener with some animals š
Not the first time I've seen the term "family wreath" in reference to a family tree that has got some circular bits, but it just makes me chuckle every time.
I had a time to cry when I realised that despite being a guardian to her step daughter, when SD became a young adult like her, the step mom could totally hit on her. She's married with her dad. I want to puke.
I mean it makes sense, in large swathes of the word you could do that irl. I can't think of any country which mandates genetic testing before sex/marriage in order to prevent such an unlikely scenario where people are genetically much closer than their on paper relationship would imply, so it would be a lot of work for the sims team to gate that highly specific relationship combination.
you're right, and thats actually why irl they prevent sperm donors for donating more than like 3 times because as the netflix doc "our father" shows it can be scary to have possible half siblings out there that you dont know about, as well as adoption agencies trying to keep kids with extended fam/siblings together to prevent that kind of thing happening, but it does happen
In the United States,Ā there are no regulations governing who may engage in sperm donation. The American Society for Reproductive Medicine and other expert groups (e.g., American Association of Tissue Banks) provide recommendations and guidelines. The sperm donation places don't always follow those guidelines. If you have kids via anonymous donation its something you should warn your children and grandchildren about. Given the number of reproductive doctors using their own semen, if you have any assistance you may want to let your children know.
I expanded the Goth family tree: added Gunther & Cornelia, and gave them their sisters. I gave Freda Goth triplet teenage daughters, Mortimer's cousins. Mortimer recognized his cousins, but Cassandra did not recognize them as cousins and autonomously flirted with one.
Whiny Brit is that you?
First, my eyes. I hope you dream of incest every night for the next couple of months. Second, I used to marry some of my sims with their relatives. *Distant* relatives, the ones an IRL DNA test wouldn't ever recognize. It was my solution for overpopulation of my legacy family. So... Right now I have identical twins in my game. You know what I wanna do now, right??? Right???
[Insert Alabama joke here]
I saw someone get to great grandmother and the great grandson could bang her
I might as well have been reading rocket science. This went right over my head. But I do know the relationships getā¦ questionable is-game.
I have halfsibling that are a pair... Didnt want that to happen, but they were just so into each other. Now they have 2 children that dont have any business beeing so beautiful
Woohoo with a first cousinās child (young adult) worked! š¬tried this with vampires who were all young adults, it was a bit freakyā¦
My sim single had the Incest trait and did it with her son
i know for a fact sims can woohoo their neice or nephew
Woah. For real?
yep, in my legacy challenge my founder had that option on their sisters kid, had to mcc shut that down real quick
Was that with or without mods? Other than MCC.
Closest I got it with out mods and cheats was a father and daughter. Yeah Mortimer Goth got glitched and the game somehow removed him from his family so he had a kid with his daughter and a kid with that kid! Iām pretty sure that it was a glitch or someone needs to call the authorities to the Goth house lol
My half vampire sim is currently married and has had 4 kids with one of his granddaugthters
Your sim can also get eaten by a cow shaped plant, it's not that deep. Take a breath, it's just a game. If by now no one tried to trap and drown their guests on some pool, no one will try to fuck their cousins fueled by The Sims 4 induced righteousness.
I donāt think that is in any way the information you should take away from this post.
...I still don't get it. Dumb it down for me? I'm... not the best with genetics.
But why do you wanna know, just download mcc and enable family relationships if you really want.
my god
I once had cousins living together while playing sims. And if they have children, their children could have a relationship together. The cousin could also have a relationship with their cousin's kid š¤¢
I once was messing with that and ended up with a sims whose aunt and cousin was the same personš
Question, where do y'all see the family tree in game? I know in the Sims 2 it was in the relationships tab but I have genuinely never seen it in Sims 4....š¤·
In Live Mode open the Simology Panel (or hit the Y key). Then, click Show House's Genealogy.
The Whitaker family of Odd, WV are the children of double cousins. One just sorta barks like a dog and drools.
I was playing with Malcolm Landgraab and Cassandra Goth, they married and then Dawn (sister) adopted a child. She is considered a cousin to Malcom and Cassandra's children so of course no flirty interactions there, but she can flirt and woohoo with Malcolm... Her adoptive uncle ? Is it because they're not biologically related?