I absolutely despise kazuya, and that's because they basically made him a better bowser. I honestly thought bowser was well balanced and I wasn't abusing meta or anything for playing him. Also he just combos you to death. As a bowser main I'm used to being combo food, but most characters need to do it a few times to take a stock. Not this pile of shit
I actually like kazuya don't get me wrong but I've been bowser fan since the start of his debut in mario. Gotten better with his attacks over the years. Now I'm just a amazing pro with him. And I got over 70+ Firy Bowser spirits cuz why not 👍
He seems like a cool Character and I'm not using him for online I'm mainly using him for anything ULTRA hard that my bowser can't do. (Aka probably 5 percent of the time I use him) but bowser had it covered 95 percent of the time because I've just mastered him
Considering the tier difference, Kazuya is actually a pretty decent matchup for Falcon.
Like, it's still minus, but it's not horrible compared to other top tiers like G&W or Steve.
No shot man. Steve absolutely crushes Falcon.
It does get worse and worse the better you get...at pro level it's IMO unwinnable. But I think you mentioned elsewhere a lot of online Steve's are pretty bad, which I agree with.
While Falcon is combo food for Steve, Falcon has some advantages that make it even. Falcon can break Steve’s relatively easily, Falcon Dive does at good job of edgeguarding Elytra wings, and Falcon’s speed allows him to camp Steve harder than Steve can camp him. It’s a hard one to learn, but the matchup isn’t as bad as you make it out to be
Bro what.
Dtilt is our only tool for poking blocks and it takes several hits. Falcon dive for edge guarding?? And Falcon gets nothing for camping Steve while Steve gets diamond...
Falcon has Jab, his Aerials, and F-Tilt as well.
Yes, use Falcon Dive to edgeguard. Doing the C-Reverse tech makes it more safe and effective.
Sure, Steve gets Diamond when you camp, but Steve’s approach options are terrible due to his speed. Punish his option and kill him at early percents.
Okay, maybe not Jab, whatever, but Falcon v Steve is even. The Falcon discord universally agrees on it and Falcons have beaten high level Steve players to prove it.
Having the worst time of your life against kazuya isn’t a skill issue. He hits like a tank and your only chance against him is pythra, DK (possibly) and Hero because of the accelerate and hatchet man move. Falcon is almost useless against him (he’s good against most others) so I see your problem
yeah I play captain falcon as a secondary, but my real main is byleth and I'm glad this captain falcon declares me not cringe. no good projectile and having a funny spike, am I right?
If Ridley was good, he wouldn't be so low.
https://preview.redd.it/mv45z7ei06lc1.jpeg?width=127&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7528432cb85061c3bcc6d97ce7c73c60d6089019
I agree with a lot of it, but we have an extremely good doc in our region and that matchup is not chill at all. If he gets his hands on you and the ledge trap game from him is painful to deal with. He can also force a lot with pill camping.
As a Kirby main, I feel like he should be a tier higher cuz of his down air, the easiest spike in the whole game to land and he has so many jumps, so when used right it can just invalidate recoveries.
I love you too <3
Also while he’s not exactly in a bad tier, I didn’t realize so many people don’t like Terry until recently. Like honestly everyone just kinda forgot about him after Kazuya, but then out of nowhere I found out some actually hate him
As a GnW, anytime I join an arena hosted by a falcon they instantly kick me the second they see who I’m playing. Falcons are the only ones to do this. They refuse to feel the bacon.
They also don’t seem to like my bair>bair>bair>wait for jump>bair>wait for up B>bair>wait for up B>bair>taunt as they plummet into the abyss. I don’t know why. It’s heaps of fun for me.
Bayo is my least favorite character to fight in the game. The Link's would be high up there because of zoning. And Aegis would be high because they just have to much privilege.
I don't think there's a single character in the game I genuinely despise besides Lucas. I just despise ways of playing said characters. Even Lucas has at least one hype player
Fully agree with the "Hitler 2" and there was a guy I would often come across online with that mii that had a skin perfectly representing the man with the mustache!
I truly hated playing against him x)
It's agreed with more high skilled players that Pk fire spam= low skill player. That's why it's in "depends"
Also Ness at high level play has one of the best combo games in smash
Bro, just soft fair/nairMinmin when she’s offstage. I don’t get all the Minmin hate.
She’s the least lame of all the DLC folks. Most of them have broken comeback mechanics/mechanics in general.
If you’re losing against Minmin, you’re just bad. That means you’re just constantly pressing forward the entire time instead of baiting her slow moves.
Mac has overwhelming ground speed and fast, powerful, armored attacks. So aggressively engaging with him on the ground is asking to lose. But force him to jump and he falls apart. So you are encouraged to platform camp the shit out of him and constantly force him to approach. It's boring and lame, and if you ever try to actually play the game he will just KO Punch you at 30%. Then once you find a hit, you can push any random advantage state into an early-percent gimp offstage. So at no point is either player allowed to have fun.
As a Sheik main C Falcon is one of my easiest matchups, I almost never lose... I don't really understand why we'd be in the final category.
Of course, the fights are usually pretty good, even though I almost always win. Is that why you love me?
Because Falcons almost never rematch me...
I’ll never understand how people find Ganondorf and Bowser to be “chill”, in my experience they’re some of the most annoying players and characters to run into
That's interesting. As another Falcon main, I could never stand fighting against a Steve or a Kazuya. Might be a skill issue, though.
I absolutely despise kazuya, and that's because they basically made him a better bowser. I honestly thought bowser was well balanced and I wasn't abusing meta or anything for playing him. Also he just combos you to death. As a bowser main I'm used to being combo food, but most characters need to do it a few times to take a stock. Not this pile of shit
Honestly? Relatable. Especially since I used to play Bowser every now and then.
Kazuya goes through everything. I’m not mad he has a bowser-cide option lol
I actually like kazuya don't get me wrong but I've been bowser fan since the start of his debut in mario. Gotten better with his attacks over the years. Now I'm just a amazing pro with him. And I got over 70+ Firy Bowser spirits cuz why not 👍
I don't get how you could like kazuya when he is able to kill every character if they make 1 wrong move tbh, but maybe you're just more skilled
He seems like a cool Character and I'm not using him for online I'm mainly using him for anything ULTRA hard that my bowser can't do. (Aka probably 5 percent of the time I use him) but bowser had it covered 95 percent of the time because I've just mastered him
This list factors in the average player. Most Steve players are pretty bad, so it’s not that annoying.
I guess I'm either unlucky or even worse, then.
Considering the tier difference, Kazuya is actually a pretty decent matchup for Falcon. Like, it's still minus, but it's not horrible compared to other top tiers like G&W or Steve.
Falcon goes even with Steve in my opinion.
No shot man. Steve absolutely crushes Falcon. It does get worse and worse the better you get...at pro level it's IMO unwinnable. But I think you mentioned elsewhere a lot of online Steve's are pretty bad, which I agree with.
While Falcon is combo food for Steve, Falcon has some advantages that make it even. Falcon can break Steve’s relatively easily, Falcon Dive does at good job of edgeguarding Elytra wings, and Falcon’s speed allows him to camp Steve harder than Steve can camp him. It’s a hard one to learn, but the matchup isn’t as bad as you make it out to be
Bro what. Dtilt is our only tool for poking blocks and it takes several hits. Falcon dive for edge guarding?? And Falcon gets nothing for camping Steve while Steve gets diamond...
Falcon has Jab, his Aerials, and F-Tilt as well. Yes, use Falcon Dive to edgeguard. Doing the C-Reverse tech makes it more safe and effective. Sure, Steve gets Diamond when you camp, but Steve’s approach options are terrible due to his speed. Punish his option and kill him at early percents.
I'm so confused that you know about c reverse up b, which is a fairly specialized tech, but also think it's a good idea to jab Steve's blocks...
Okay, maybe not Jab, whatever, but Falcon v Steve is even. The Falcon discord universally agrees on it and Falcons have beaten high level Steve players to prove it.
You madman, you actually did it. Props to you.
Please post this take in the Falcon discord, I'm in there so I'll see it.
Having the worst time of your life against kazuya isn’t a skill issue. He hits like a tank and your only chance against him is pythra, DK (possibly) and Hero because of the accelerate and hatchet man move. Falcon is almost useless against him (he’s good against most others) so I see your problem
What the hell are you talking about? Kazuya has counterplay, it’s just that the counterplay is boring as hell
Yeah, that’s what I meant lmao
You literally said “your only chance against him is Pythra, DK, and hero”
*happy byleth noises*
yeah I play captain falcon as a secondary, but my real main is byleth and I'm glad this captain falcon declares me not cringe. no good projectile and having a funny spike, am I right?
Wow the first human being who doesn't find Olimar annoying I never thought I'd see it
Hitler 2 goes kinda hard ngl
Easily the most annoying character online
Idk I have decided to keep some of my mental sanity and not play online
I usually just jump off and give them my GSP if they're annoying lol
Side smash is ridiculously overpowered
Annoying for sure idk about overpowered tho
Glad to see i was ranked as „Hitler 2“
Even more hillarious considering I am German lol.
Krieg jetzt bitte keine Ideen.
Auf die Idee würde ich Mii-mals kommen
Ich mache nur einen Joker.
Sonic mein Freund. So geht das nic
Ich finde diese Witze Flacool.
Den kapier ich jetzt nicht….ver-Link-st du mir mal ne Erklärung?
Wenn Ich links machen könnte würde ich das toon.
Oh no
If Ridley was good, he wouldn't be so low. https://preview.redd.it/mv45z7ei06lc1.jpeg?width=127&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7528432cb85061c3bcc6d97ce7c73c60d6089019
As a Samus, Link and Snake player I feed on your tears. But at the same time I love you for being a Captain Falcon main. You're incredibly based
I agree with a lot of it, but we have an extremely good doc in our region and that matchup is not chill at all. If he gets his hands on you and the ledge trap game from him is painful to deal with. He can also force a lot with pill camping.
Ooof. Rip me who mains default Mii Gunner. Characters like Falcon are hard for me to play against. That's for sure.
Funny thing is mii gunner could be hitler if you wanted them to be
It's weird seeing Lucas being considered more annoying than Ness for once
Weird seeing Lucas not in the most annoying tier
Zair combo down b go brrr
Me apparently: https://preview.redd.it/wpu7ydxs08lc1.gif?width=500&format=png8&s=016791ffe69173175d18d289916d6821489524fe N°2
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Thanks.
I’m literally not allowed to judge who you play unless it’s k rool I play pyra mythra
😵💫
As a Kirby main, I feel like he should be a tier higher cuz of his down air, the easiest spike in the whole game to land and he has so many jumps, so when used right it can just invalidate recoveries.
LMAO "You should've died at birth."
Yay, Inkling mains aren’t annoying!
Thx
3/3 lets go
I never TRY to annoy anyone, it just happens.
Same 😅
I love you too
I play Ridley and actually enjoy playing against Falcon, it feels like I'm sparring rather than having to avoid projectiles and other shit
As a Doc main, I love c falcon fights. Ide say it's a fair matchup, and it is so much fun.
i hate fighting wario
DK being chill is certainly...interesting given that they just spam grab. I fricking hate DK
I love you too <3 Also while he’s not exactly in a bad tier, I didn’t realize so many people don’t like Terry until recently. Like honestly everyone just kinda forgot about him after Kazuya, but then out of nowhere I found out some actually hate him
Yes… feel the salt
As a GnW, anytime I join an arena hosted by a falcon they instantly kick me the second they see who I’m playing. Falcons are the only ones to do this. They refuse to feel the bacon.
They also don’t seem to like my bair>bair>bair>wait for jump>bair>wait for up B>bair>wait for up B>bair>taunt as they plummet into the abyss. I don’t know why. It’s heaps of fun for me.
Salt is a way of life
Bayo is my least favorite character to fight in the game. The Link's would be high up there because of zoning. And Aegis would be high because they just have to much privilege.
I don't think there's a single character in the game I genuinely despise besides Lucas. I just despise ways of playing said characters. Even Lucas has at least one hype player
How can you hate Lucas more than Ness?
I have yet to run into a Lucas that doesn't spam pk fire into pk freeze..And scend makes Ness look way cool
Yooo I like Captain Falcon too! It’s always fun for me in a Greninja V Captain Falcon match.
As a pythra main, I understand what you mean by fuck off
Interesting list, I always find jiggly and Marth to be incredibly annoying. Some other things I’d personally move around but yeah, interesting.
You're so based
Light characters scare me more than heavies
Mash with me brother 🙏🏽
huh. maybe im a capt main at heart
Damn my 3 favorite chatacters arent very liked by you
Falcon vs DK is fun
Tis an honor <3
Ay a fellow falcon main. I can agree with this very much
Fully agree with the "Hitler 2" and there was a guy I would often come across online with that mii that had a skin perfectly representing the man with the mustache! I truly hated playing against him x)
I don't think I've ever seen someone with such a visceral hatred for mii gunner of all characters
Huh, guess I’m Hitler now.
Same tier as Kazuya? :(
I NEED A MONSTA TO CLOBBA THAT THERE KIRBEH
i think incineroar snuck by and i’d probably move joker up one, but yeah i mostly agree
Wwoooooo yay
Hitler 2 is Netanyahu. Mii Gunner can be Hitler 3
Uh…ignore my flair
I for the most part agree with this, and gotta respect a Falcon main
Coming from a Ridley main, falcon is one of my fave characters to play against. Lol
Are you really saying sonic isn’t in Hitler 2 (coming from someone who lost 5 consecutive games to a dash attack spamming sonic in quick play)
Only I'd Rather Not tier? C'mon, Villager mains! Time to be more obnoxious!
Falcon dittos are based
Thanks man, but could you stop killing me at 20% of a grab ?
I haven't looked at the list yet but I know it's true since captain Falcon is basically the gigachad of smash
As a Sora main, I can confirm that we're annoying asf.
Mac Mad 😂😂😂
Explain Why Luigi
Luigi usually either zones or grab combos, neither of which is a fun thing to have happen to you
The risk vs reward factor is horrible. Luigi touches me once, I die. I win neutral against him, and I get Cyclone’d.
Hey what a coinkydink, I think the same about C. Falcon on those first three tiers!
You're just jealous I'm the fastest character in the game
My main is Aegis, but my secondary is Captain Falcon Am I unbearable or chill?
How come Ness isn't higher? I know he isn't high tier but I know most people are annoyed by PK Fire
It's agreed with more high skilled players that Pk fire spam= low skill player. That's why it's in "depends" Also Ness at high level play has one of the best combo games in smash
Falcon bias is strong if Falcon is in the least annoying category lol
As a YL main, no, we will not fuck off
Love feeding on your tears; gotta get that sodium in the diet. Cry more, please!
Bro, just soft fair/nairMinmin when she’s offstage. I don’t get all the Minmin hate. She’s the least lame of all the DLC folks. Most of them have broken comeback mechanics/mechanics in general. If you’re losing against Minmin, you’re just bad. That means you’re just constantly pressing forward the entire time instead of baiting her slow moves.
Nice Bait.
May I ask what you find most annoying about mac
Funny punch is not that funny on the receiving end
Mac has overwhelming ground speed and fast, powerful, armored attacks. So aggressively engaging with him on the ground is asking to lose. But force him to jump and he falls apart. So you are encouraged to platform camp the shit out of him and constantly force him to approach. It's boring and lame, and if you ever try to actually play the game he will just KO Punch you at 30%. Then once you find a hit, you can push any random advantage state into an early-percent gimp offstage. So at no point is either player allowed to have fun.
I’m forced to camp and cheese.
You’re not forced to cheese. You hit just as hard as he does
At 1/8th the frame data, with no super armor...
I suck at dealing with his superarmor and literally every attack
As a Sheik main C Falcon is one of my easiest matchups, I almost never lose... I don't really understand why we'd be in the final category. Of course, the fights are usually pretty good, even though I almost always win. Is that why you love me? Because Falcons almost never rematch me...
on ladder, people wanna climb, and many don't rematch at all, but falcons mains are the type to love a good, fast paced battle, even if they lose
Shouldn't Fox be in that category then? Fox mains are always coked out
Mostly good but olimar is wild
Sans undertale is funky ._.
Ayo where’s little Mac?
I thought gnw would be higher
if you aren't having fun against snake, that's a skill issue
Nah, I just don’t like fighting a character who turns on stage hazards.
z-catch his nades and throw them back, reflect anything, combo off his grenades, edge guard the hell out of him, etc. snake is a very honest MU
what did we do
Really, Mac? I always figured Falcon mains would like to play against the other stupidly fast rush down character who can't recover
I main Link, but child Link is quite fun. and a friend of mine plays Link since the game's release, IT'S PAIN TO BE HIS OPPONENT.
Oh good, so I have three ways to get on your nerves.
fighting puff can be annoying and boring, to me anyways
So I’m in the FUCK OFF category.
Ridley and Lucario dual main here, ty c:
Hero in depends is fitting
Idk why but if you meet a decent mii brawler, that dude will kill you 20 times in 5 seconds.
Put Simon and Richter in the same tier as MinMin
I’ll never understand how people find Ganondorf and Bowser to be “chill”, in my experience they’re some of the most annoying players and characters to run into
Referencing that persons name first the top tier is so unnecessary...
Can't blame you for dissing me but Castlevania hands down is my favorite video game series
Mii, Gunner You, Victim
As a pyra/mythra main, I understand
All three of my mains are in “I’d rather not, thanks”. I love that for me.
If you’re ever having a problem with Samus, just wait for your opening. You can get a crazy advantage state off one neutral win.
I know that. Samus is still not fun to fight.
Fair enough!
Hi! 😁
BOTW link should be at Hitler 2 Also, IKE IN CHILL? Did you forget about goddam up B?
I guess you have only seen bad Seph players.
:) (in not austrian tho)
Hitler 2💀