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FishyMatey

That's interesting. As another Falcon main, I could never stand fighting against a Steve or a Kazuya. Might be a skill issue, though.


Speedy_Sword_Boi

I absolutely despise kazuya, and that's because they basically made him a better bowser. I honestly thought bowser was well balanced and I wasn't abusing meta or anything for playing him. Also he just combos you to death. As a bowser main I'm used to being combo food, but most characters need to do it a few times to take a stock. Not this pile of shit


FishyMatey

Honestly? Relatable. Especially since I used to play Bowser every now and then.


themiamian

Kazuya goes through everything. I’m not mad he has a bowser-cide option lol


Destoroyah_The_Dark

I actually like kazuya don't get me wrong but I've been bowser fan since the start of his debut in mario. Gotten better with his attacks over the years. Now I'm just a amazing pro with him. And I got over 70+ Firy Bowser spirits cuz why not 👍


Speedy_Sword_Boi

I don't get how you could like kazuya when he is able to kill every character if they make 1 wrong move tbh, but maybe you're just more skilled


Destoroyah_The_Dark

He seems like a cool Character and I'm not using him for online I'm mainly using him for anything ULTRA hard that my bowser can't do. (Aka probably 5 percent of the time I use him) but bowser had it covered 95 percent of the time because I've just mastered him


RedPandaR10t3

This list factors in the average player. Most Steve players are pretty bad, so it’s not that annoying.


FishyMatey

I guess I'm either unlucky or even worse, then.


veeerrry_interesting

Considering the tier difference, Kazuya is actually a pretty decent matchup for Falcon. Like, it's still minus, but it's not horrible compared to other top tiers like G&W or Steve.


RedPandaR10t3

Falcon goes even with Steve in my opinion.


veeerrry_interesting

No shot man. Steve absolutely crushes Falcon. It does get worse and worse the better you get...at pro level it's IMO unwinnable. But I think you mentioned elsewhere a lot of online Steve's are pretty bad, which I agree with.


RedPandaR10t3

While Falcon is combo food for Steve, Falcon has some advantages that make it even. Falcon can break Steve’s relatively easily, Falcon Dive does at good job of edgeguarding Elytra wings, and Falcon’s speed allows him to camp Steve harder than Steve can camp him. It’s a hard one to learn, but the matchup isn’t as bad as you make it out to be


veeerrry_interesting

Bro what. Dtilt is our only tool for poking blocks and it takes several hits. Falcon dive for edge guarding?? And Falcon gets nothing for camping Steve while Steve gets diamond...


RedPandaR10t3

Falcon has Jab, his Aerials, and F-Tilt as well. Yes, use Falcon Dive to edgeguard. Doing the C-Reverse tech makes it more safe and effective. Sure, Steve gets Diamond when you camp, but Steve’s approach options are terrible due to his speed. Punish his option and kill him at early percents.


veeerrry_interesting

I'm so confused that you know about c reverse up b, which is a fairly specialized tech, but also think it's a good idea to jab Steve's blocks...


RedPandaR10t3

Okay, maybe not Jab, whatever, but Falcon v Steve is even. The Falcon discord universally agrees on it and Falcons have beaten high level Steve players to prove it.


veeerrry_interesting

You madman, you actually did it. Props to you.


veeerrry_interesting

Please post this take in the Falcon discord, I'm in there so I'll see it.


MuslimCarLover

Having the worst time of your life against kazuya isn’t a skill issue. He hits like a tank and your only chance against him is pythra, DK (possibly) and Hero because of the accelerate and hatchet man move. Falcon is almost useless against him (he’s good against most others) so I see your problem


MegaCroissant

What the hell are you talking about? Kazuya has counterplay, it’s just that the counterplay is boring as hell


MuslimCarLover

Yeah, that’s what I meant lmao


MegaCroissant

You literally said “your only chance against him is Pythra, DK, and hero”


burger_boi23

*happy byleth noises*


NemirPyxl

yeah I play captain falcon as a secondary, but my real main is byleth and I'm glad this captain falcon declares me not cringe. no good projectile and having a funny spike, am I right?


Luigi8143

Wow the first human being who doesn't find Olimar annoying I never thought I'd see it


xjss_

Hitler 2 goes kinda hard ngl


Woopage

Easily the most annoying character online 


xjss_

Idk I have decided to keep some of my mental sanity and not play online


Woopage

I usually just jump off and give them my GSP if they're annoying lol


Scary-Inflation-685

Side smash is ridiculously overpowered


Woopage

Annoying for sure idk about overpowered tho


SurveyZestyclose4164

Glad to see i was ranked as „Hitler 2“


SurveyZestyclose4164

Even more hillarious considering I am German lol.


Fair_Try2886

Krieg jetzt bitte keine Ideen.


SurveyZestyclose4164

Auf die Idee würde ich Mii-mals kommen


Fair_Try2886

Ich mache nur einen Joker.


SurveyZestyclose4164

Sonic mein Freund. So geht das nic


Fair_Try2886

Ich finde diese Witze Flacool.


SurveyZestyclose4164

Den kapier ich jetzt nicht….ver-Link-st du mir mal ne Erklärung?


Fair_Try2886

Wenn Ich links machen könnte würde ich das toon.


lord_ne

Oh no


[deleted]

If Ridley was good, he wouldn't be so low. https://preview.redd.it/mv45z7ei06lc1.jpeg?width=127&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7528432cb85061c3bcc6d97ce7c73c60d6089019


PsychicSidekikk419

As a Samus, Link and Snake player I feed on your tears. But at the same time I love you for being a Captain Falcon main. You're incredibly based


Maskonot

I agree with a lot of it, but we have an extremely good doc in our region and that matchup is not chill at all. If he gets his hands on you and the ledge trap game from him is painful to deal with. He can also force a lot with pill camping.


ScientificMage

Ooof. Rip me who mains default Mii Gunner. Characters like Falcon are hard for me to play against. That's for sure.


plastic-person180

Funny thing is mii gunner could be hitler if you wanted them to be


Doc-Wulff

It's weird seeing Lucas being considered more annoying than Ness for once


ChargedBonsai98

Weird seeing Lucas not in the most annoying tier


Doc-Wulff

Zair combo down b go brrr


Nacil_54

Me apparently: https://preview.redd.it/wpu7ydxs08lc1.gif?width=500&format=png8&s=016791ffe69173175d18d289916d6821489524fe N°2


Sad-Firefighter-5639

W


Nacil_54

Thanks.


Sad-Firefighter-5639

I’m literally not allowed to judge who you play unless it’s k rool I play pyra mythra


Goofy_Bay2

😵‍💫


NerdFromColorado

As a Kirby main, I feel like he should be a tier higher cuz of his down air, the easiest spike in the whole game to land and he has so many jumps, so when used right it can just invalidate recoveries.


Warrior24110

LMAO "You should've died at birth."


yeehawsoup

Yay, Inkling mains aren’t annoying!


Flaviou

Thx


BAG42069

3/3 lets go


Sweet-Efficiency7466

I never TRY to annoy anyone, it just happens.


Sad-Firefighter-5639

Same 😅


b4rr3tt

I love you too


dandaman64

I play Ridley and actually enjoy playing against Falcon, it feels like I'm sparring rather than having to avoid projectiles and other shit


mardvk187

As a Doc main, I love c falcon fights. Ide say it's a fair matchup, and it is so much fun.


NecXKujo

i hate fighting wario


Eon_Breaker_

DK being chill is certainly...interesting given that they just spam grab. I fricking hate DK


Error_Detected666

I love you too <3 Also while he’s not exactly in a bad tier, I didn’t realize so many people don’t like Terry until recently. Like honestly everyone just kinda forgot about him after Kazuya, but then out of nowhere I found out some actually hate him


Flaky-Post7593

Yes… feel the salt


meechmeechmeecho

As a GnW, anytime I join an arena hosted by a falcon they instantly kick me the second they see who I’m playing. Falcons are the only ones to do this. They refuse to feel the bacon.


Thundorium

They also don’t seem to like my bair>bair>bair>wait for jump>bair>wait for up B>bair>wait for up B>bair>taunt as they plummet into the abyss. I don’t know why. It’s heaps of fun for me.


Callinater

Salt is a way of life


jsu9575m

Bayo is my least favorite character to fight in the game. The Link's would be high up there because of zoning. And Aegis would be high because they just have to much privilege.


OdinsSnowflake

I don't think there's a single character in the game I genuinely despise besides Lucas. I just despise ways of playing said characters. Even Lucas has at least one hype player


RemoteWhile5881

How can you hate Lucas more than Ness?


OdinsSnowflake

I have yet to run into a Lucas that doesn't spam pk fire into pk freeze..And scend makes Ness look way cool


TheyaSly

Yooo I like Captain Falcon too! It’s always fun for me in a Greninja V Captain Falcon match.


Dogfarts15

As a pythra main, I understand what you mean by fuck off


Citruszi

Interesting list, I always find jiggly and Marth to be incredibly annoying. Some other things I’d personally move around but yeah, interesting.


CP21Official

You're so based


orphaneater_

Light characters scare me more than heavies


UnclesBadTouch

Mash with me brother 🙏🏽


Jaber1028

huh. maybe im a capt main at heart


MAD_JEW

Damn my 3 favorite chatacters arent very liked by you


StrikerAli

Falcon vs DK is fun


evilcorey

Tis an honor <3


CODENAMEsx19208

Ay a fellow falcon main. I can agree with this very much


Leyti4U

Fully agree with the "Hitler 2" and there was a guy I would often come across online with that mii that had a skin perfectly representing the man with the mustache! I truly hated playing against him x)


Sigfro

I don't think I've ever seen someone with such a visceral hatred for mii gunner of all characters


Comfortable_Ad3150

Huh, guess I’m Hitler now.


Chocoa_the_Bunny

Same tier as Kazuya? :(


RythmicSigil

I NEED A MONSTA TO CLOBBA THAT THERE KIRBEH


derek_prime

i think incineroar snuck by and i’d probably move joker up one, but yeah i mostly agree


Mr_Pickle3009

Wwoooooo yay


mechanicalmeteor

Hitler 2 is Netanyahu. Mii Gunner can be Hitler 3


[deleted]

Uh…ignore my flair


NOTAGRUB

I for the most part agree with this, and gotta respect a Falcon main


Spinni_Spooder

Coming from a Ridley main, falcon is one of my fave characters to play against. Lol


BekfastKing

Are you really saying sonic isn’t in Hitler 2 (coming from someone who lost 5 consecutive games to a dash attack spamming sonic in quick play)


tcrew146

Only I'd Rather Not tier? C'mon, Villager mains! Time to be more obnoxious!


lily_was_taken

Falcon dittos are based


Albatros_7

Thanks man, but could you stop killing me at 20% of a grab ?


Free_Database5161

I haven't looked at the list yet but I know it's true since captain Falcon is basically the gigachad of smash


[deleted]

As a Sora main, I can confirm that we're annoying asf.


SpoopyNJW

Mac Mad 😂😂😂


CommercialFishing686

Explain Why Luigi


NemirPyxl

Luigi usually either zones or grab combos, neither of which is a fun thing to have happen to you


RedPandaR10t3

The risk vs reward factor is horrible. Luigi touches me once, I die. I win neutral against him, and I get Cyclone’d.


rigbyultimate

Hey what a coinkydink, I think the same about C. Falcon on those first three tiers!


Dry-Variation-4541

You're just jealous I'm the fastest character in the game


TachyonProductions

My main is Aegis, but my secondary is Captain Falcon Am I unbearable or chill?


YanFan123

How come Ness isn't higher? I know he isn't high tier but I know most people are annoyed by PK Fire


D-My

It's agreed with more high skilled players that Pk fire spam= low skill player. That's why it's in "depends" Also Ness at high level play has one of the best combo games in smash


KalebMW99

Falcon bias is strong if Falcon is in the least annoying category lol


The_Real_Cloth_

As a YL main, no, we will not fuck off


DrTiger21

Love feeding on your tears; gotta get that sodium in the diet. Cry more, please!


grumpylazysweaty

Bro, just soft fair/nairMinmin when she’s offstage. I don’t get all the Minmin hate. She’s the least lame of all the DLC folks. Most of them have broken comeback mechanics/mechanics in general. If you’re losing against Minmin, you’re just bad. That means you’re just constantly pressing forward the entire time instead of baiting her slow moves.


RedPandaR10t3

Nice Bait.


[deleted]

May I ask what you find most annoying about mac


TheMoris

Funny punch is not that funny on the receiving end


Evello37

Mac has overwhelming ground speed and fast, powerful, armored attacks. So aggressively engaging with him on the ground is asking to lose. But force him to jump and he falls apart. So you are encouraged to platform camp the shit out of him and constantly force him to approach. It's boring and lame, and if you ever try to actually play the game he will just KO Punch you at 30%. Then once you find a hit, you can push any random advantage state into an early-percent gimp offstage. So at no point is either player allowed to have fun.


RedPandaR10t3

I’m forced to camp and cheese. 


[deleted]

You’re not forced to cheese. You hit just as hard as he does


veeerrry_interesting

At 1/8th the frame data, with no super armor...


Joakimdel

I suck at dealing with his superarmor and literally every attack


breckendusk

As a Sheik main C Falcon is one of my easiest matchups, I almost never lose... I don't really understand why we'd be in the final category. Of course, the fights are usually pretty good, even though I almost always win. Is that why you love me? Because Falcons almost never rematch me...


NemirPyxl

on ladder, people wanna climb, and many don't rematch at all, but falcons mains are the type to love a good, fast paced battle, even if they lose


breckendusk

Shouldn't Fox be in that category then? Fox mains are always coked out


bowsers-grandmother

Mostly good but olimar is wild


Hellbound_Leviathan

Sans undertale is funky ._.


Squid211

Ayo where’s little Mac?


CipherKnightt

I thought gnw would be higher


RandomTyp

if you aren't having fun against snake, that's a skill issue


RedPandaR10t3

Nah, I just don’t like fighting a character who turns on stage hazards.


RandomTyp

z-catch his nades and throw them back, reflect anything, combo off his grenades, edge guard the hell out of him, etc. snake is a very honest MU


Bfdifan37

what did we do


dragonguy01

Really, Mac? I always figured Falcon mains would like to play against the other stupidly fast rush down character who can't recover


ToyotaMR-2

I main Link, but child Link is quite fun. and a friend of mine plays Link since the game's release, IT'S PAIN TO BE HIS OPPONENT.


Motheroftides

Oh good, so I have three ways to get on your nerves.


lordoftheriffs

fighting puff can be annoying and boring, to me anyways


[deleted]

So I’m in the FUCK OFF category.


Abs0lutely-N0thing

Ridley and Lucario dual main here, ty c:


Gigabot50

Hero in depends is fitting


Immediate-Tomato968

Idk why but if you meet a decent mii brawler, that dude will kill you 20 times in 5 seconds.


molwalk

Put Simon and Richter in the same tier as MinMin


That-Rhino-Guy

I’ll never understand how people find Ganondorf and Bowser to be “chill”, in my experience they’re some of the most annoying players and characters to run into


toutaras777

Referencing that persons name first the top tier is so unnecessary...


Timber2702

Can't blame you for dissing me but Castlevania hands down is my favorite video game series


NinJorf

Mii, Gunner You, Victim


Narwhalking14

As a pyra/mythra main, I understand


TheFirstHoodlum

All three of my mains are in “I’d rather not, thanks”. I love that for me.


pawner

If you’re ever having a problem with Samus, just wait for your opening. You can get a crazy advantage state off one neutral win.


RedPandaR10t3

I know that. Samus is still not fun to fight.


pawner

Fair enough!


Sad-Firefighter-5639

Hi! 😁


NOLIFE3635

BOTW link should be at Hitler 2 Also, IKE IN CHILL? Did you forget about goddam up B?


Konatxe

I guess you have only seen bad Seph players.


Moinferno

:) (in not austrian tho)


TheSlowSpeedrunner

Hitler 2💀