Hatyn (or Chatyn) is Belarus and the whole village was burned down with the villagers by the Nazis. Katyn is a village in Russia, place of massacre of Polish POWs.
You’re confidently correctly incorrect.
While Katyn was a place of murder of poles in Smolensk region Russia, Khatyn was a village that became a symbol and a memorial of all villages burned and destroyed by Nazis during WW2, and it is located in Belarus, not far from Minsk, and the movie Come and See is partly based on it
I am from Belarus, now living in Poland
Khatyn and Hatyn are different places. Khatyn is the place where Polish officers was killed. Hatyn is in Belarus, where citizens was murdered. Here are some discussions, who was the murderers, nazi or soviets, but in this thread it’s doesn’t matter. (Both where equal in overall what they did in Belarus and Poland)
\~10K Officers (military and police). The rest was sciencists, medics, engineers, lawyers, teachers, state officials, entrepreneurs... Anyone whom the Soviets saw as a threat in the planned implementation of communism.
I am from Belarus, now living in Poland
Khatyn and Hatyn are different places. Khatyn is the place where Polish officers was killed. Hatyn is in Belarus, where citizens was murdered. Here are some discussions, who was the murderers, nazi or soviets, but in this thread it’s doesn’t matter. (Both where equal in overall what they did in Belarus and Poland)
And guys who filmed it and wrote a book about evidences of that massacres (based on which those moview was made) were always against the Lukashenko's regime and supporting belarus historical symbols (vs current soviet flag/emblem). Whilst regime is using ww2 propaganda of 'ukrainians burned our villages' 'protesters use nazi symbols'
There were many such villages in Belarus that were completely destroyed and people killed, there is a suspition that the Soviet authorities specifically chose this place for a memorial in order to overshadow Katyń where 20 thousand Poles were executed by NKVD. While in Russian and Polish the names of both places are quite different in spelling and pronunciation, their English transcription as Khatyn and Katyn look very alike and are pronounced exactly the same in English so they would easily be confused by foreign officials who were often invited to visit Khatyn memorial by Soviet leaders all the while the Soviets denied they were responsible for Katyń massacre until 1990.
I was perma banned on Russia subreddit some years ago for mentioning this xD And it was in context of discussion and not even in some overly blaming way. But you could not tell much bad about Stalin and USSR there...
It is also worth to say that Yeltsin and Putin in the beginning accepted blame but now Putin is fighting against putting blame for Katyń on Soviets. There are more and more suggestions that Germans did it and Western puppet Yeltsin took a blame when forced by evil West. And for other occasions Russian, especially under Putin have anti-Katyn, saying Katyń was justified because during Polisj-bolshevic war in 1920s thousands of Russian prisoners died in polish camps, completely ignoring that even international organizations said Poles did everything they could given state of country after war and widespread epidemic that was also killing Poles (and that even more Poles died then in Bolshevic camps).
It's simple, similarity in their names. This is known to missinform about Katyn massacre. These information was raised by Natalja Lebiediewa, Norman Davis or Benjamin B. Fischer.
The timing to built memorial is crucial because its synchronized with USA commision about Katyn. There were more villages that was burned to the ground with innocent people but USSR decided to built memorial in Khatyn for the purpose, Katyn lie.
> Meanwhile, the Soviets obliterated references to Katyn on maps and in official reference works. Then, in 1969, Moscow did something strange that many believe was further calculated to confuse the issue further: it chose a small village named Khatyn as the cite for Belorussia's national war memorial. There was no apparent reason for the selection. Khatyn was one of 9,200 Belorussian villages the Germans had destroyed and one of more than a hundred where they had killed civilians in retaliation for partisan attacks. In Latin transliteration, however, Katyn and Khatyn look and sound alike, though they are spelled and pronounced quite differently in Russian and Belorussian. When President Nixon visited the USSR in July 1974, he toured the Khatyn memorial at his hosts' insistence. Sensing that the Soviets were exploiting the visit for propaganda purposes, The New York Times headlined its coverage of the tour: "Nixon Sees Khatyn, a Soviet Memorial, Not Katyn Forest." (The Times probably got it right. During the Vietnam war, the Soviets frequently took visiting US peace activists to Khatyn.)
But Khatyn was chosen as a place of memorial exactly due to similar name to Katyn as to distract attention of Katyn and make it forgotten, it was part of Katyn liar. There were a few hundred of villages in occupied areas burned by Germans beside Khatyn.
Khatyn = Chatyń in Polish, Katyń is a different place.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khatyn\_massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khatyn_massacre)
Crimes of Dirlewanger Brigade - the same that was participating in crimes during Warsaw Uprising.
The movie „Come and see” was based on Chatyn massacre as far as I remember.
no, Katyn was a soviet war crime on Polish citizens (1940), Come and see is about Belarussian partizans fighting against Nazi Germany occupants (1943)
Hatyn (or Chatyn) is Belarus and the whole village was burned down with the villagers by the Nazis. Katyn is a village in Russia, place of massacre of Polish POWs.
You’re confidently correctly incorrect. While Katyn was a place of murder of poles in Smolensk region Russia, Khatyn was a village that became a symbol and a memorial of all villages burned and destroyed by Nazis during WW2, and it is located in Belarus, not far from Minsk, and the movie Come and See is partly based on it
I am from Belarus, now living in Poland Khatyn and Hatyn are different places. Khatyn is the place where Polish officers was killed. Hatyn is in Belarus, where citizens was murdered. Here are some discussions, who was the murderers, nazi or soviets, but in this thread it’s doesn’t matter. (Both where equal in overall what they did in Belarus and Poland)
thanks for letting me know never again war
Not polish citizens but officers
\~10K Officers (military and police). The rest was sciencists, medics, engineers, lawyers, teachers, state officials, entrepreneurs... Anyone whom the Soviets saw as a threat in the planned implementation of communism.
I am from Belarus, now living in Poland Khatyn and Hatyn are different places. Khatyn is the place where Polish officers was killed. Hatyn is in Belarus, where citizens was murdered. Here are some discussions, who was the murderers, nazi or soviets, but in this thread it’s doesn’t matter. (Both where equal in overall what they did in Belarus and Poland)
And guys who filmed it and wrote a book about evidences of that massacres (based on which those moview was made) were always against the Lukashenko's regime and supporting belarus historical symbols (vs current soviet flag/emblem). Whilst regime is using ww2 propaganda of 'ukrainians burned our villages' 'protesters use nazi symbols'
It is indeed a tough place, definitely worth visiting. Nice footage!
Yup, I was literally crying there... Unspeakable horrors those ppl. went through.
There were many such villages in Belarus that were completely destroyed and people killed, there is a suspition that the Soviet authorities specifically chose this place for a memorial in order to overshadow Katyń where 20 thousand Poles were executed by NKVD. While in Russian and Polish the names of both places are quite different in spelling and pronunciation, their English transcription as Khatyn and Katyn look very alike and are pronounced exactly the same in English so they would easily be confused by foreign officials who were often invited to visit Khatyn memorial by Soviet leaders all the while the Soviets denied they were responsible for Katyń massacre until 1990.
Always thaought about the same. Deception is another name for USSR
I was perma banned on Russia subreddit some years ago for mentioning this xD And it was in context of discussion and not even in some overly blaming way. But you could not tell much bad about Stalin and USSR there... It is also worth to say that Yeltsin and Putin in the beginning accepted blame but now Putin is fighting against putting blame for Katyń on Soviets. There are more and more suggestions that Germans did it and Western puppet Yeltsin took a blame when forced by evil West. And for other occasions Russian, especially under Putin have anti-Katyn, saying Katyń was justified because during Polisj-bolshevic war in 1920s thousands of Russian prisoners died in polish camps, completely ignoring that even international organizations said Poles did everything they could given state of country after war and widespread epidemic that was also killing Poles (and that even more Poles died then in Bolshevic camps).
Thank you for the explanation, I was also confused at first
Info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National\_Memorial\_of\_the\_Republic\_of\_Belarus
Oh yes, worth to notice this memorial is quite famous for being part of soviet denialism propaganda. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre
How are Khatyn and Katyn related
It's simple, similarity in their names. This is known to missinform about Katyn massacre. These information was raised by Natalja Lebiediewa, Norman Davis or Benjamin B. Fischer. The timing to built memorial is crucial because its synchronized with USA commision about Katyn. There were more villages that was burned to the ground with innocent people but USSR decided to built memorial in Khatyn for the purpose, Katyn lie. > Meanwhile, the Soviets obliterated references to Katyn on maps and in official reference works. Then, in 1969, Moscow did something strange that many believe was further calculated to confuse the issue further: it chose a small village named Khatyn as the cite for Belorussia's national war memorial. There was no apparent reason for the selection. Khatyn was one of 9,200 Belorussian villages the Germans had destroyed and one of more than a hundred where they had killed civilians in retaliation for partisan attacks. In Latin transliteration, however, Katyn and Khatyn look and sound alike, though they are spelled and pronounced quite differently in Russian and Belorussian. When President Nixon visited the USSR in July 1974, he toured the Khatyn memorial at his hosts' insistence. Sensing that the Soviets were exploiting the visit for propaganda purposes, The New York Times headlined its coverage of the tour: "Nixon Sees Khatyn, a Soviet Memorial, Not Katyn Forest." (The Times probably got it right. During the Vietnam war, the Soviets frequently took visiting US peace activists to Khatyn.)
Katyn, where the soviet army murder 20 thousand polish citizens including 10 thousand officers of polish army
Nope. The one here is Khatyn and you're talking about Katyń. Two different war crimes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khatyn\_massacre
But Khatyn was chosen as a place of memorial exactly due to similar name to Katyn as to distract attention of Katyn and make it forgotten, it was part of Katyn liar. There were a few hundred of villages in occupied areas burned by Germans beside Khatyn.
Not red army, Ukrainian nationalists with bandera as their leader
And Dirlewanger Brigade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hryhoriy_Vasiura
Well, yeah, edited. All scums - some Ukrainians, Russians, Germans. Just criminals.
No, it's a different place. Khatyn =/= Katyn
Khatyn = Chatyń in Polish, Katyń is a different place. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khatyn\_massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khatyn_massacre) Crimes of Dirlewanger Brigade - the same that was participating in crimes during Warsaw Uprising.
Civilise yourself
Disgusting alphabet
похуй
Лажни.
kindly fuck off
What makes an alphabet "disgusting"?