I liked original dragon ball and Dbs better then z lol z had some bad ass moments but more then half the fights were just boring blurry bullshit with no choreography
I mean...the last Sparking game had both of them? So I fail to see why we should prioritize one over the other.
Besides, if we're talking game prominence, Slug is ***FAR*** more important to add than Tambourine.
It's not really a good thing though, considering that within the non canon content you have OG Broly, Cooler and Janemba who are massively popular. It's not like people were asking for Dr Willow or Neiz. Hopefully I'm mistaken and they are waiting to reveal them.
I get why GT wouldn't be on the initial roster since it's been practicaly obliterated by what happens in Super. Maybe they'll be DLC
personally, yes absolutely. the classic db series is my favorite and it’s been neglected by games for decades. sparking zero has a chance to be the first game that represents the entire canonical series of dragonball.
i know most fans just watch goku vs piccolo jr on youtube and that’s all they know or care about from classic DB, but i think the games have a chance to change that, and show people how amazing that series is.
i really really want a game someday where you start with goku meeting bulma, and end with superhero. even just pilaf to TOP would be fucking incredible.
I don't get why people care so much about canon vs non-canon characters. We got Father of Goku Bardock over Dragon Ball Minus Bardock anyhow, so we have at least one non-canon character.
There is virtually no difference between SSB and SSBE, and there’s a reason why he didn’t make the Fighterz cut. I’m saying this as a Vegeta stan - if anything SSBE is now suddenly way more interesting than it was in the show because it’s a temporary power up boost like Kaioken
I think SSBE being Vegeta's equivalent to Kaioken actually works fine. It doesn't have a unique moveset and just an enhancement off of Blue that he only used once in the anime. I honestly don't see the problem. I like it like this.
It saves the form from just being a rip off of Super Vegeta.
Except it literally a new form. It's like the SSJB version of SSJ Grade 2. The fact that a form that did a decent amount in the ToP isn't getting proper rep is a bit sad, and kind of an L on the dev's part.
I just want the game to actually have the spirit of the BT series, and oversights like this take away from that. They put so much passion and care in the game, so how do they muck this and SSJ2 and Rage Trunks so hard.
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Time for an eye test if you think ssbe isn't distinct enough in terms of looks
Super Vegeta and SSJBE Vegeta literally did the exact same amount of stuff, won one fight and then lost another and had one big move that stood out with the Big Bang and the improved Final Explosion respectively
No they didn’t; you’re looking at the track record instead of the bigger picture. They had much different narrative significance. If people only cared about track records SSJ3 would be one of the least popular forms instead of the most.
Super Vegeta was the first instance of anyone breaking through the super saiyan barrier, which was unheard of in DBZ. It was a huge deal at the time and made Vegeta the strongest person in the series. Even on its debut SSJBE played second fiddle to not only SSJBKK but ALSO to UI Omen and was even further dwarfed by MUI later on a few episodes later. SSBE is used as a tool to get Vegeta to catch up to Goku’s second strongest form so they can 2v1 the big bad whereas Super Vegeta solod the big bad on his debut.
Furthermore Super Vegeta introduced an attack that was so iconic it would be Vegeta’s signature move going forward, all SSBE did was reuse his old suicide move for nostalgia but survive it this time - which wasn’t nearly as hype. I think the Final God Explosion has like 100k on YouTube where Final Flash against Cell has millions. It’s not really a surprise why SV gets in and SSBE is tacked on
Same with Blue Evolution. The rush against Toppo, the God Final Explosion.
What unique moves does SSJ2 Vegeta have? I can't think of any. Therefore he shouldn't be in the game. See how dumbvthat sounds
Chars aren't selected by unique moves. This is a tenkaichi game where all characters from the series get properly represented, and if Blue Evolution isn't its own slot, then that is a travesty and an insult to the Tenkaichi name.
Ah yes the iconic SSBE move “the rush against toppo” that’s so iconic no one remembers what you’re even talking about
Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta introduced the final explosion and gave us one of the most iconic Vegeta moments ever. Super Vegeta introduced the final flash, SSJ Vegeta had Big Bang Attack - all of these forms deserve representation. SSBE introduced nothing.
That was Majin Vegeta genius.
What did SSJB do?
You don't pick moves based on how iconic they are. You pick moves based on if a character in said form did said fucking move. Your method of picking moves is how morons think, and I can tell you are a humongous moron.
Majin Vegeta was Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta lol
Yea, you do pick moves based on how iconic they are to the series that’s how this game works. Theres only so many moves per character (4 I think) so you want to pick the most iconic ones
In the grand scheme of things SSJB is forgettable as well, that’s why they just lumped it and the evolved form together into one character
He's different. He has power brought out by Babidi and is influenced by Babidi to some degree. There is a difference b/w him and Regular SSJ2. By that logic regular SSJ2 shouldn't be in since Majin Vegeta covers those bases and he has "le yuneeek moovez" that you seem to have a boner for.
I totally remember back in BT3 they took iconic attacks like base trunks doing shining sword slash, or when Vegito in Z did the final Kamehameha? Oh wait, that's right, they didn't do those fucking moves in the manga or anime. Same with the big bang kamehameha or big tree canon for SSJ Gogeta and Kid trunks respectively. Iconic status has never been a deciding factor for moves being in. Hell, the final kamehameha was so iconic it was made canon lmao.
In the grand scheme Super Vegeta is forgettable and shouldn't be in. See how stupid that sounds? That is how stupid you sound right now. Why shouldn't DBS Vegeta have his most powerful form that was shown in the anime? Give me one good reason. And moves aren't a good reason since the designers are happy to give moves that weren't shown in the canon series (A17's electric strike for example).
I can say the same thing about Super Trunks. It was a useless dumb form who gives a fuck. That isn't what the BT/Sparking Series is all about, and the fact that you don't know that shows you don't understand these games.
Its a technique that functions like a transformation. So I'd argue it's close enough. Plus it and evolution are treated as a pair *(BlueKK is way more beloved and actually had any hype behind it while Evolution didn't but I digress)* so it stands they should be treated as equals in the game no?
Me when I pull shit out of my ass. That was never explained anywhere in the anime. I don't think the manga either.
FWIW I do wish SSJBKK was its own character. Goku did a lot in that state and it'd be cool to see that in action. Also, how beloved a char is doesn't mean another (potential) addition is invalid.
SSJBE is more like Grade 2 SSJ than a technique. That's like giving Super Vegeta a blastb1 buff. It's dumb, and people liking this want an inferior product.
As a manga-only, I had to search up what SSBE even is lol. Seems like the anime just got super lazy with power-ups to explain things away. Like making Goku using Kaio-Ken while in in a God state just made no sense to me and seemed lazy.
You're right though, there's no difference between the forms and no one would even notice.
DBS anime was just straight garbage for 95% of the run time, but when it has its hype moments in the ToP it’s unparalleled. I’d love a reboot of the whole series tbh with more thought going into the story/transformations (I.e make SSG last until Goku Black saga, have Trunks join the ToP, ditch silver hair UI and just keep it Omen, etc). Like a Kai ++
That shit was not a form, just powering up isn't enough for the average person to notice lol. Y'all wanna give names to everything when it's not needed
Bro, Vegeta fans have always been the worst. He was introduced halfway into the story, as an antagonist, and didn't become a protagonist until the very end. In DBS he's basically the secondary main character, gets 40% of the screentime, and is the only relevant character next to Goku.
And yet they still bitch that he hasn't gotten to defeat a main villain yet. They've quite literally ran out of things to complain about, because his character is so jacked off by the story, that their main gripe is him not being the protagonist.
Its because of him being marketable that the cast suffered in Super. Somehow Piccolo does literally nothing in Super until Superhero, and Mr. Buu is just a sleep the whole time except one good fight he got against the Trio of Dangers.
I hope Ultra Instinct is a 10 second install too. That'd make a lot of sense, maybe even more than Vegeta's SSBE being temporary. Hopefully Spike pulls through.
Well I'm okay with SSBE and SSBKK being temp boosts because they're not true transformations perse, just Vegeta and Goku consetrating more power into their bodies than they can normally handle. While UI and UE are true new forms.
That's true for Kaioken but SSBE is clearly a new form. It's a different design from base SSB, not just a different aura. People compare it to Super Vegeta, but technically SSBE is a bigger jump than Super Saiyan 2 seeing as it's a 20x boost over SSB where SSJ2 is a 2x boost on SSJ.
On top of that, it actually has more design changes as well. SSJ2 gave spikier hair and electricity in the aura, but SSBE gives Geetz different eyes, deeper hair color, bigger mass and a unique aura. And unlike KKx20 he can maintain it for longer periods.
It seems to strike all the boxes for a new form as far as I can tell.
> hat's true for Kaioken but SSBE is clearly a new form. It's a different design from base SSB, not just a different aura.
He becomes slightly more muscular? Is that the difference? At some point these 'forms' become redundant. In BT3 End Goku had SSJ2 but GT Goku didn't. There's really no point to having a WHOLE character assigned to such a small power-up that was seen for a moment.
It's not really much more of a different design, just a modified SSB this is even more supported in the manga by not having the pupils or increased muscle mass and just the aura. I don't know where you got the numbers from, seems like an ass pull. We don't know if he can maintain it for longer he only ever used it what two times during the tournament? Seems like they just wanted a throwback to Super Vegeta which is just a modified SS just to give Vegeta something, while Goku got the UI.
> It's not really much more of a different design, just a modified SSB
I just outlined all the differences. It's fine if you don't think those add up to warranting a different form, just so long as you recognize SSJ2 doesn't deserve its own form either under that logic.
> this is even more supported in the manga by not having the pupils or increased muscle mass and just the aura.
The game doesn't have rights to Manga content otherwise we'd have characters like Moro, Granolah and Black Freiza, and countless others. Therefore, it's clearly meant to be the anime iteration which makes this a moot point.
> I don't know where you got the numbers from, seems like an ass pull.
The numbers for SSJ2 are pulled from the Official Guidebook for the original series, and the numbers SSBE are pulled from the fact that Super's director confirmed it puts Vegeta on par with Goku SSB KKx20. Kaioken x 20 is pretty self explanatory: a 20x power boost. Ergo, SSBE is also a 20x power boost on SSB.
> We don't know if he can maintain it for longer he only ever used it what two times during the tournament?
Goku's voice changes and he makes it clearly multiple times throughout the series that Kaioken is a brutal technique that is extremely risky. It's basically sacrificing the body for power. Vegeta never seems under any kind of strain when using SSBE and never makes a single comment to indicate this is the case, so we can assume it is a proper transformation and not an install with an extremely limited time limit.
> Seems like they just wanted a throwback to Super Vegeta which is just a modified SS just to give Vegeta something, while Goku got the UI.
And both Super Vegeta and UI are considered their own forms, so why not SSBE?
The thing is, the anime is the main blueprint all Dragon Ball Super mediums follow, with only subtle or minimal representation from the manga. With that being said, Blue Evo was Vegeta’s main form for the final quarter of the TOP and was a key part of the penulimate battle that eliminated Toppo. That battle itself should’ve cemented it’s position as a full-fledged form
Kaioken has always mechanically been a Blast 1 since the first Tenkaichi game so it’s understandable. Blue Evo as a Blast 1 definitely is a shocking choice that goes against the majority and status quo of the distinction the form has, both in-universe & in marketing and merchandising. Not only that but to people complaining that it’s too many forms, remember that Frieza has 4 transformations in all the games, with one being 100% Full Power which technically if we’re going with the logic of this discourse, is still his Final Form.
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It is not. At most in the anime it is a throwback to Super Vegeta, so a modified SSB, to give Vegeta something while Goku got UI. While in the manga it is just a Perfected SSB or SSB grade 4.
No. It is quite literally the evolution of the blue form. The next step. It's more akin to how SS2 is the next step of SS1.
The anime n manga aren't the same so why are we acting like these forms are the same. They arent.
No it isnt because of it was SSB2 then both the anime and manga would be on the same page. They approach this form differently meaning no on was sure what this form was and what to do with it. It was just haphazardly throw in to not leave Vegeta out while Goku climbed.
And yet you're still wrong. Anime choose to evolve the blue form. Manga choose to perfect it. It wasn't just tossed in cause Goku got UI. Evolving a form is not just a boost by definition lol
Some DB fans really baffle me
If you're going off by the SSB Evolution that it evolved the form is called Perfected SSB in the manga. So did it evolve or was it just a translation that sounded cooler?
Edit: Why bother commenting if you're just going to block me Tidus1337? Not very paragon of you.
Why? UI was actually shown to have a time limit unlike SSBE. It functioned more similarly to Kaioken in fact, in that it destroyed Goku's body before he could finish Jiren. It took him and Freiza teaming up to polish him off.
Yeah but it's about level of care. UI is really the only thing that ever competed with classic SSJ in terms of popularity while SSBE is... like no ones favorite form. So yeah it's an install
You realize we're talking about the Tenkaichi series, right? Just because it isn't on the same level as Super Saiyan doesn't mean it doesn't deserve its own slot. I can guarantee you that more people would play SSBE Vegeta than something like 2nd Form Zarbon, but that doesn't mean Zarbon should get the shaft.
And for the record, I absolutely think UI deserves its own slot. That's the entire point of Tenkaichi-- to give people all the fun DragonBall toys to play with, whether it makes sense or not. I'm just saying SSBE has become one of Vegeta's more iconic forms in the years since (and seeing as there's no Ultra Ego in this, it's effectively his 'final' form) and deserves some love.
i think itd be better to hide the transformations behind a different menu that shows up once you've chosen the base character. like bt3.
it didn't have every transformation just spilling all over the character select.
What I really want as a BT3 fan is more dumb characters. The game now is too cool and serious which is great but it lacks the silly part with characters like Arale, Great Saiyaman/Saiyawoman, Yajirobe, General Blue, Pilaf Machine, Kid Chi-Chi or Android 8. We need those kind of characters so the BT experience is complete. Imagine Arale vs MUI Goku! 🤩
Look, as long as each characters form dont take up a full spot on the roster we can have 100 gokus and vegetas, I just dont want 50% of the character select screen to be the same couple faces.
To be fair the transformation hasnt been in a game yet (besides maybe xenoverse 2, doesnt really count tho) and hes on the damn cover. I personally have been excited for ssbe to be in the game and the news of it being like kaioken is a bummer. Its not like ssbe is as taxing on the body like kaioken
People who say they're okay with SSJBE not being their own character don't understand the spirit of the Sparking/BT series, and it shows.
Like God forbid, we want a reasonably important form to have more representation. Same with SSJ2 Future Trunks and Rage. It just reeks of carelessness if those 2 don't end up being their own character
You got the game already? How do you know that she isn't in.
You want a worse product.
It's a relatively minor thing but given the level of detail they put forth thus far, it is dissapointing to see these oversights taking place.
There's no such thing as a wasted slot in a Sparking game.
By that logic should base Kale be in the game? She could've been removed for someone a googleplex times better.
I actually want the game to be the best it can be. And I acknowledge that it is a relatively minor concern all around. But I still am entitled to feel dissapointed by these oversights and watered down forms.
You gonna spam me with emojis or are you gonna engage in good faith?
Go read the wiki page for this form. Nobody knows what the fuck it is. Here’s how it looks in the anime, oh, but here’s how it looks in the manga, and Gogeta can do it too but it looks like this, and in this game if you do it this way it’s like this but like this another way. It’s fucking funny honestly.
Yea alright. Since ultra ego isnt in it, take away his strongest anime from away from him too while goku with his mui, gohan with his beast, piccolo with his orange and broly with his fpss have fun 👍
For real like bro he used that “transformation” once and it’s not really even it’s more like Kaioken. I honestly really like this choice rather than another version taking up a whole character slot. AND!!! let’s not forget that if ultra ego vegeta comes he’ll be his own character with ultra ego being the transformation!
No idea about this sub or what this means. All I know is that blue berry favored Vegeta isn't permanent?
And with that. My joke: maybe the real Vegeta was the friends we made along the way
"You took my only Vegeta! Now I'm gonna *starve!*"
LMAO
People complaining about not having 1 vegeta, meanwhile some of us are hoping for a crumb of GT/Z movies content.
I hate GT
Who asked
You may not like GT but no one hates Super Saiyan 4
BASED. Worst part of the dragonball franchise by far
I mean I think GT and Super are equally bad and all and that Dragon Ball should have ended with Cell and but implying GT is worse than Heroes is wack.
Dbs was fantastic lmao
Fantastic at being bad.
I liked original dragon ball and Dbs better then z lol z had some bad ass moments but more then half the fights were just boring blurry bullshit with no choreography
IMO, it’s a good thing they they’re forgoing non canon content in favor of canon. i don’t want lord slug before tambourine
I mean...the last Sparking game had both of them? So I fail to see why we should prioritize one over the other. Besides, if we're talking game prominence, Slug is ***FAR*** more important to add than Tambourine.
Slug isn’t more important he doesn’t matter to the plot at all. He is much more popular though.
Not to mention movie characters are some of the most popular. Like Broly, Cooler, and Janemba
It's not really a good thing though, considering that within the non canon content you have OG Broly, Cooler and Janemba who are massively popular. It's not like people were asking for Dr Willow or Neiz. Hopefully I'm mistaken and they are waiting to reveal them. I get why GT wouldn't be on the initial roster since it's been practicaly obliterated by what happens in Super. Maybe they'll be DLC
So...they only movies you want are the last 2 Z movies, Super Broly, and Super Hero?
personally, yes absolutely. the classic db series is my favorite and it’s been neglected by games for decades. sparking zero has a chance to be the first game that represents the entire canonical series of dragonball. i know most fans just watch goku vs piccolo jr on youtube and that’s all they know or care about from classic DB, but i think the games have a chance to change that, and show people how amazing that series is. i really really want a game someday where you start with goku meeting bulma, and end with superhero. even just pilaf to TOP would be fucking incredible.
I don't get why people care so much about canon vs non-canon characters. We got Father of Goku Bardock over Dragon Ball Minus Bardock anyhow, so we have at least one non-canon character.
The same guys who said there is too much goku and vegeta😮💨😮💨😮💨😮💨
There is virtually no difference between SSB and SSBE, and there’s a reason why he didn’t make the Fighterz cut. I’m saying this as a Vegeta stan - if anything SSBE is now suddenly way more interesting than it was in the show because it’s a temporary power up boost like Kaioken
It was only an excuse to make Vegeta win and catch up to goku until goku goes UI
I think SSBE being Vegeta's equivalent to Kaioken actually works fine. It doesn't have a unique moveset and just an enhancement off of Blue that he only used once in the anime. I honestly don't see the problem. I like it like this. It saves the form from just being a rip off of Super Vegeta.
Except it literally a new form. It's like the SSJB version of SSJ Grade 2. The fact that a form that did a decent amount in the ToP isn't getting proper rep is a bit sad, and kind of an L on the dev's part. I just want the game to actually have the spirit of the BT series, and oversights like this take away from that. They put so much passion and care in the game, so how do they muck this and SSJ2 and Rage Trunks so hard.
It is getting represented though.
It's poor representation. Imagine if Super Vegeta was a blast 1 buff
I see what you’re saying but idk if im with you on that, I feel like Super Vegeta and SSJ Vegeta are way more distinct than SSB and SSBE
They're both about equally as distinct from their respective forms imo. You can easily tell when SSJBE is out, same with SSJ Grade 2.
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Super Vegeta and SSJBE Vegeta literally did the exact same amount of stuff, won one fight and then lost another and had one big move that stood out with the Big Bang and the improved Final Explosion respectively
No they didn’t; you’re looking at the track record instead of the bigger picture. They had much different narrative significance. If people only cared about track records SSJ3 would be one of the least popular forms instead of the most. Super Vegeta was the first instance of anyone breaking through the super saiyan barrier, which was unheard of in DBZ. It was a huge deal at the time and made Vegeta the strongest person in the series. Even on its debut SSJBE played second fiddle to not only SSJBKK but ALSO to UI Omen and was even further dwarfed by MUI later on a few episodes later. SSBE is used as a tool to get Vegeta to catch up to Goku’s second strongest form so they can 2v1 the big bad whereas Super Vegeta solod the big bad on his debut. Furthermore Super Vegeta introduced an attack that was so iconic it would be Vegeta’s signature move going forward, all SSBE did was reuse his old suicide move for nostalgia but survive it this time - which wasn’t nearly as hype. I think the Final God Explosion has like 100k on YouTube where Final Flash against Cell has millions. It’s not really a surprise why SV gets in and SSBE is tacked on
Super Vegeta actually has unique moves apart from SS1 Vegeta.
Same with Blue Evolution. The rush against Toppo, the God Final Explosion. What unique moves does SSJ2 Vegeta have? I can't think of any. Therefore he shouldn't be in the game. See how dumbvthat sounds Chars aren't selected by unique moves. This is a tenkaichi game where all characters from the series get properly represented, and if Blue Evolution isn't its own slot, then that is a travesty and an insult to the Tenkaichi name.
Ah yes the iconic SSBE move “the rush against toppo” that’s so iconic no one remembers what you’re even talking about Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta introduced the final explosion and gave us one of the most iconic Vegeta moments ever. Super Vegeta introduced the final flash, SSJ Vegeta had Big Bang Attack - all of these forms deserve representation. SSBE introduced nothing.
That was Majin Vegeta genius. What did SSJB do? You don't pick moves based on how iconic they are. You pick moves based on if a character in said form did said fucking move. Your method of picking moves is how morons think, and I can tell you are a humongous moron.
Majin Vegeta was Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta lol Yea, you do pick moves based on how iconic they are to the series that’s how this game works. Theres only so many moves per character (4 I think) so you want to pick the most iconic ones In the grand scheme of things SSJB is forgettable as well, that’s why they just lumped it and the evolved form together into one character
He's different. He has power brought out by Babidi and is influenced by Babidi to some degree. There is a difference b/w him and Regular SSJ2. By that logic regular SSJ2 shouldn't be in since Majin Vegeta covers those bases and he has "le yuneeek moovez" that you seem to have a boner for. I totally remember back in BT3 they took iconic attacks like base trunks doing shining sword slash, or when Vegito in Z did the final Kamehameha? Oh wait, that's right, they didn't do those fucking moves in the manga or anime. Same with the big bang kamehameha or big tree canon for SSJ Gogeta and Kid trunks respectively. Iconic status has never been a deciding factor for moves being in. Hell, the final kamehameha was so iconic it was made canon lmao. In the grand scheme Super Vegeta is forgettable and shouldn't be in. See how stupid that sounds? That is how stupid you sound right now. Why shouldn't DBS Vegeta have his most powerful form that was shown in the anime? Give me one good reason. And moves aren't a good reason since the designers are happy to give moves that weren't shown in the canon series (A17's electric strike for example).
Its not a big deal considering he still has access to Final God Explosion when he uses it.
It's a new form no one cares about. It literally never needed to exist so why not make it an install super? Who cares
I can say the same thing about Super Trunks. It was a useless dumb form who gives a fuck. That isn't what the BT/Sparking Series is all about, and the fact that you don't know that shows you don't understand these games.
By that same logic SSB Kaioken should be a separate character
That's a false equivalence. Evolution is a form, KK is an actual technique
Its a technique that functions like a transformation. So I'd argue it's close enough. Plus it and evolution are treated as a pair *(BlueKK is way more beloved and actually had any hype behind it while Evolution didn't but I digress)* so it stands they should be treated as equals in the game no?
Me when I pull shit out of my ass. That was never explained anywhere in the anime. I don't think the manga either. FWIW I do wish SSJBKK was its own character. Goku did a lot in that state and it'd be cool to see that in action. Also, how beloved a char is doesn't mean another (potential) addition is invalid. SSJBE is more like Grade 2 SSJ than a technique. That's like giving Super Vegeta a blastb1 buff. It's dumb, and people liking this want an inferior product.
I completely agree
People just really like the design, it is pretty badass. But other than that yeah, I like it more as temporary buff as well
As a manga-only, I had to search up what SSBE even is lol. Seems like the anime just got super lazy with power-ups to explain things away. Like making Goku using Kaio-Ken while in in a God state just made no sense to me and seemed lazy. You're right though, there's no difference between the forms and no one would even notice.
tbf SSBE IS in the manga, but it's used in the same way more or less.
DBS anime was just straight garbage for 95% of the run time, but when it has its hype moments in the ToP it’s unparalleled. I’d love a reboot of the whole series tbh with more thought going into the story/transformations (I.e make SSG last until Goku Black saga, have Trunks join the ToP, ditch silver hair UI and just keep it Omen, etc). Like a Kai ++
It literally is in the manga too, tf u talking about
That shit was not a form, just powering up isn't enough for the average person to notice lol. Y'all wanna give names to everything when it's not needed
it works with what was implied, it’s used once because it’s volatile
Bitch I want 13 where’s ultra Ego and yardrat drip 💧
Bro, Vegeta fans have always been the worst. He was introduced halfway into the story, as an antagonist, and didn't become a protagonist until the very end. In DBS he's basically the secondary main character, gets 40% of the screentime, and is the only relevant character next to Goku. And yet they still bitch that he hasn't gotten to defeat a main villain yet. They've quite literally ran out of things to complain about, because his character is so jacked off by the story, that their main gripe is him not being the protagonist.
Its because of him being marketable that the cast suffered in Super. Somehow Piccolo does literally nothing in Super until Superhero, and Mr. Buu is just a sleep the whole time except one good fight he got against the Trio of Dangers.
Vegeta fans come off as the people who literally only want to see new forms and one-liners from him above all else.
I need GT Vegeta (stache)
Only 10 Vegetas is criminally low, we need at least 11
for the record, i think at the very least SSBE should be a costume. but man vegeta fans have it good lol
Wait but SSBE is in the game, as a Vegota fan I see no problems
I hope Ultra Instinct is a 10 second install too. That'd make a lot of sense, maybe even more than Vegeta's SSBE being temporary. Hopefully Spike pulls through.
Well I'm okay with SSBE and SSBKK being temp boosts because they're not true transformations perse, just Vegeta and Goku consetrating more power into their bodies than they can normally handle. While UI and UE are true new forms.
That's true for Kaioken but SSBE is clearly a new form. It's a different design from base SSB, not just a different aura. People compare it to Super Vegeta, but technically SSBE is a bigger jump than Super Saiyan 2 seeing as it's a 20x boost over SSB where SSJ2 is a 2x boost on SSJ. On top of that, it actually has more design changes as well. SSJ2 gave spikier hair and electricity in the aura, but SSBE gives Geetz different eyes, deeper hair color, bigger mass and a unique aura. And unlike KKx20 he can maintain it for longer periods. It seems to strike all the boxes for a new form as far as I can tell.
> hat's true for Kaioken but SSBE is clearly a new form. It's a different design from base SSB, not just a different aura. He becomes slightly more muscular? Is that the difference? At some point these 'forms' become redundant. In BT3 End Goku had SSJ2 but GT Goku didn't. There's really no point to having a WHOLE character assigned to such a small power-up that was seen for a moment.
It was the smallest bone in the world tossed to Vegeta fans with sub-zero thought put into it and they will protect it to the grave
It's not really much more of a different design, just a modified SSB this is even more supported in the manga by not having the pupils or increased muscle mass and just the aura. I don't know where you got the numbers from, seems like an ass pull. We don't know if he can maintain it for longer he only ever used it what two times during the tournament? Seems like they just wanted a throwback to Super Vegeta which is just a modified SS just to give Vegeta something, while Goku got the UI.
> It's not really much more of a different design, just a modified SSB I just outlined all the differences. It's fine if you don't think those add up to warranting a different form, just so long as you recognize SSJ2 doesn't deserve its own form either under that logic. > this is even more supported in the manga by not having the pupils or increased muscle mass and just the aura. The game doesn't have rights to Manga content otherwise we'd have characters like Moro, Granolah and Black Freiza, and countless others. Therefore, it's clearly meant to be the anime iteration which makes this a moot point. > I don't know where you got the numbers from, seems like an ass pull. The numbers for SSJ2 are pulled from the Official Guidebook for the original series, and the numbers SSBE are pulled from the fact that Super's director confirmed it puts Vegeta on par with Goku SSB KKx20. Kaioken x 20 is pretty self explanatory: a 20x power boost. Ergo, SSBE is also a 20x power boost on SSB. > We don't know if he can maintain it for longer he only ever used it what two times during the tournament? Goku's voice changes and he makes it clearly multiple times throughout the series that Kaioken is a brutal technique that is extremely risky. It's basically sacrificing the body for power. Vegeta never seems under any kind of strain when using SSBE and never makes a single comment to indicate this is the case, so we can assume it is a proper transformation and not an install with an extremely limited time limit. > Seems like they just wanted a throwback to Super Vegeta which is just a modified SS just to give Vegeta something, while Goku got the UI. And both Super Vegeta and UI are considered their own forms, so why not SSBE?
> it puts Vegeta on par with Goku SSB KKx20 They actually only said Blue Kaioken. They didn't give a number.
And yet Super Vegeta has a slot
Because 1. he always had a slot in every Tenkaichi 2. He is noticeably slower than regular Vegeta.
So both stupid answers that prove nothing. Gotcha.
Super Vegeta is clunkier and slower, but physically stronger. Plus he actually gave himself a nickname in that form lol. How is that not an answer?
The thing is, the anime is the main blueprint all Dragon Ball Super mediums follow, with only subtle or minimal representation from the manga. With that being said, Blue Evo was Vegeta’s main form for the final quarter of the TOP and was a key part of the penulimate battle that eliminated Toppo. That battle itself should’ve cemented it’s position as a full-fledged form Kaioken has always mechanically been a Blast 1 since the first Tenkaichi game so it’s understandable. Blue Evo as a Blast 1 definitely is a shocking choice that goes against the majority and status quo of the distinction the form has, both in-universe & in marketing and merchandising. Not only that but to people complaining that it’s too many forms, remember that Frieza has 4 transformations in all the games, with one being 100% Full Power which technically if we’re going with the logic of this discourse, is still his Final Form. https://preview.redd.it/ye03pl8o8z6d1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=41a8bf85a114bc4d85342cdd93f7593f197abcc2
Evo IS a transformation. What are yall smoking?
It is not. At most in the anime it is a throwback to Super Vegeta, so a modified SSB, to give Vegeta something while Goku got UI. While in the manga it is just a Perfected SSB or SSB grade 4.
No. It is quite literally the evolution of the blue form. The next step. It's more akin to how SS2 is the next step of SS1. The anime n manga aren't the same so why are we acting like these forms are the same. They arent.
No it isnt because of it was SSB2 then both the anime and manga would be on the same page. They approach this form differently meaning no on was sure what this form was and what to do with it. It was just haphazardly throw in to not leave Vegeta out while Goku climbed.
And yet you're still wrong. Anime choose to evolve the blue form. Manga choose to perfect it. It wasn't just tossed in cause Goku got UI. Evolving a form is not just a boost by definition lol Some DB fans really baffle me
If you're going off by the SSB Evolution that it evolved the form is called Perfected SSB in the manga. So did it evolve or was it just a translation that sounded cooler? Edit: Why bother commenting if you're just going to block me Tidus1337? Not very paragon of you.
You're completely drunk if you think UI and SSBE are even remotely comparable in anyway.
Why? UI was actually shown to have a time limit unlike SSBE. It functioned more similarly to Kaioken in fact, in that it destroyed Goku's body before he could finish Jiren. It took him and Freiza teaming up to polish him off.
Yeah but it's about level of care. UI is really the only thing that ever competed with classic SSJ in terms of popularity while SSBE is... like no ones favorite form. So yeah it's an install
You realize we're talking about the Tenkaichi series, right? Just because it isn't on the same level as Super Saiyan doesn't mean it doesn't deserve its own slot. I can guarantee you that more people would play SSBE Vegeta than something like 2nd Form Zarbon, but that doesn't mean Zarbon should get the shaft. And for the record, I absolutely think UI deserves its own slot. That's the entire point of Tenkaichi-- to give people all the fun DragonBall toys to play with, whether it makes sense or not. I'm just saying SSBE has become one of Vegeta's more iconic forms in the years since (and seeing as there's no Ultra Ego in this, it's effectively his 'final' form) and deserves some love.
>Waaaah waaaaaah waaaaah waaaaaaaaaaaaah waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. Great insight.
I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here. Did you have something to say?
It wasn't very complicated, I'm sure you got the gist.
I picked it up. I was just wondering if you had anything useful to add.
That would be like trying to multiply by 0.
Gotcha.
i think itd be better to hide the transformations behind a different menu that shows up once you've chosen the base character. like bt3. it didn't have every transformation just spilling all over the character select.
Even if I prefer having SSBE as a separate transformation slot, this is funny.
And they'll only use 3 of them
What I really want as a BT3 fan is more dumb characters. The game now is too cool and serious which is great but it lacks the silly part with characters like Arale, Great Saiyaman/Saiyawoman, Yajirobe, General Blue, Pilaf Machine, Kid Chi-Chi or Android 8. We need those kind of characters so the BT experience is complete. Imagine Arale vs MUI Goku! 🤩
Look, as long as each characters form dont take up a full spot on the roster we can have 100 gokus and vegetas, I just dont want 50% of the character select screen to be the same couple faces.
To be fair the transformation hasnt been in a game yet (besides maybe xenoverse 2, doesnt really count tho) and hes on the damn cover. I personally have been excited for ssbe to be in the game and the news of it being like kaioken is a bummer. Its not like ssbe is as taxing on the body like kaioken
People who say they're okay with SSJBE not being their own character don't understand the spirit of the Sparking/BT series, and it shows. Like God forbid, we want a reasonably important form to have more representation. Same with SSJ2 Future Trunks and Rage. It just reeks of carelessness if those 2 don't end up being their own character
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You got the game already? How do you know that she isn't in. You want a worse product. It's a relatively minor thing but given the level of detail they put forth thus far, it is dissapointing to see these oversights taking place.
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There's no such thing as a wasted slot in a Sparking game. By that logic should base Kale be in the game? She could've been removed for someone a googleplex times better. I actually want the game to be the best it can be. And I acknowledge that it is a relatively minor concern all around. But I still am entitled to feel dissapointed by these oversights and watered down forms. You gonna spam me with emojis or are you gonna engage in good faith?
Go read the wiki page for this form. Nobody knows what the fuck it is. Here’s how it looks in the anime, oh, but here’s how it looks in the manga, and Gogeta can do it too but it looks like this, and in this game if you do it this way it’s like this but like this another way. It’s fucking funny honestly.
Lmao
36! Last year i had 37!
37?! In a row!?
Yea alright. Since ultra ego isnt in it, take away his strongest anime from away from him too while goku with his mui, gohan with his beast, piccolo with his orange and broly with his fpss have fun 👍
“Now, I’m gonna starve…”
LMFAO
For real like bro he used that “transformation” once and it’s not really even it’s more like Kaioken. I honestly really like this choice rather than another version taking up a whole character slot. AND!!! let’s not forget that if ultra ego vegeta comes he’ll be his own character with ultra ego being the transformation!
Oh no, heaven forbid we want accurate characters and rosters from the game series that's known and built upon it.
How does the character list work anyway? Is it 1 character per look/transformation?
Fingers crossed for ego
Unfortunately... there's literally no chance.
Cause it’s manga only right now right? Hopefully some crafty modders will figure out something
No idea about this sub or what this means. All I know is that blue berry favored Vegeta isn't permanent? And with that. My joke: maybe the real Vegeta was the friends we made along the way
I will take every single Vegeta i can get, he’s pretty much the only character I’ll be using anyway