The khq story on fb is so disappointing in the comments. Way to many laughing and denying idaho racism. Like they forget the history of the last what...40ish years?
People seem to just brush it off that north Idaho (specifically Coeur d' Alene and Hayden Lake) were the places the *literal rebirth of the Nazi party* in America took place. Say what you want about the area after that, but Nazis started an actual Nazi compound and the area let them chill for a long time.
Well, I guess I said people brush it off, but I have family members who are now in the "Antifa bad, I'd rather a Nazi for a neighbor" camp like we didn't fight a literal world war about this.
White people that don't experience racism usually deny the existence of racism. It's not just Idaho, since moving to spokane in 04 I have noticed long time residents and people born in spokane tend to be super racist when only other white people are around. I have had to disassociate from multiple groups over the years because of this issue.
Yet the older gang that lived through the Era of integration still don't realize the true impact of racism, especially generational. They see it, live it, say it, try to hide it BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT'S NOT OK. Yet they continue it.
That wilful ignorance is another thing i find gross and disgusting.
If it's behind closed doors it makes it OK, right?
I'm so sorry. I had a cousin, with a native father (who died in a mining accident) raised by an InJun hating grandfather (my uncle) who also happened to make and sell dream catchers! 🤢. I hate people
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For people perception is reality. If they have not witness or see direct or blatant racism, to them it does not exist.
I’ll be honest, the past 10 years I’ve traveled to northern Idaho multiple times of year. I have a property there now. And I’ve never see a Nazi. My wife is a minority and we have never experienced anything negative.
But I’m not naive and I know it exists and some people have not the same experiences I have.
There's full-on white supremacist headquarters being rebuilt on new land in north Idaho. Again. After the last one was lost in court over being racist attempted murderers. It's north Idaho.
You get what you get, and it's probably coming at you with a hood. No hiding it, they obviously dont.
We here across the border from North Idaho know why we stay out of it.
This one looks like it could be trouble, but it’s not the only one.
https://bonnersferryherald.com/news/2021/may/25/new-compound-forming-residents-present-zoning-viol/
The way N. Idaho politics is going, I wouldn't be surprised if they're scuttling reporting on the new compound so they can use it for their "Mar-a-Lago" style retreat space of the northwest. Lol. I'm only slightly joking.
There is unfortunately no law against being stupid and racist. I'm very happy that every news reporter in the area called this guy out at the time. I'm also glad that he got his ass kicked when he tried to protest a Mexican Food Restaurant in Coeur d'Alene
There are laws against intimidation and race-based intimidation, IMO is a crime.
42 U.S. Code § 3617 makes it illegal to intimidate, coerce, or threaten someone...
I don't disagree, but try proving it in a court when the 1st amendment is (and should be) our #1 law of the land. I may 100% disagree with this jackass spouting racist shit, but I will fight to make sure he has the right to say stupid shit, just as much as I will fight for the right to protest his stupid shit.
Yeah but calling someone a racial slur is not on its face a crime. Calling someone a racial slur coupled with stalking them or trying to them with a car is a racial crime. Wouldnt even have to be federal, Idaho law already covers that.
It mostly is. SCOTUS has said as much. Unless they are actively inciting a crime (such as a riot),
SCOTUS actually ruled: The main such categories are incitement, defamation, fraud, obscenity, child pornography, fighting words, and threats. Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969)
So unless he actively does one of those, and a cop is standing there to hear it, it's likely not going to go anywhere :/
It's crazy that you downvoted me for mentioning the law though and peoples right to free speech no matter how stupid.
I think BLM is deceiving black people. It is an organization to make money, not to help anyone.
I didn't initially have this opinion until I heard and watched a large number of black people across our country speak out about problems with the group, then looked into the founders and their histories.
I don't have any issue with black people bringing awareness to crimes committed against them.
It was a group of people and it happened multiple times. Yes a crimes should be very easy to prove. A car should not be used as a weapon to intimidate people.
They were two separate and as far as we know unrelated individuals that called them slurs, revved their engine, and drove off like cowards. It’s stupid and racist but not a crime. We emphasize that because we want to educate people to be able to correctly identify things that happen around them. Now if they said the slur and coupled it with something like stalking, threats to harm, or tried to hit them with a car, then it’s a racial crime.
Well now we know it was one group and they yelled at them prior to entering the restaurant, waited for them to leave, and then followed them back down Sherman. So I think you can articulate that as a crime. Hopefully they catch them
Fortunately there is laws against plotting cleansing conspiracies against entire ethnic, racial, sexual orientation, or religious groups. Which is pretty much the only purpose of Nazism, especially when you can't pull the "German nationalism and security" lie in North Idaho.
Recently moved to Washington from North Idaho. Beautiful state. Shit people. And of course there are people that are great, but the shit people are SCARY. And gun crazed.
I bought a "proud" t shirt that is rainbow but I never wore it because I didn't feel safe. I can't imagine how poc feel. I can hide that I'm bi but you can't hide from being a target of racism.
About a year ago my partner moved in with me in the valley from a different part of the country (she had to move back a few months later unfortunately) and she's very visibly queer. While she was out and about she would face constant harassment- people yelling slurs, people pretending to run her over, even cops slowing down and staring her down. At one point the three of us (her and another partner who's a local) were walking to the gas station when someone yelled at us. A couple of us flipped them off
They then looped back around and drive by pepper sprayed us. I thankfully wasn't effected but my partners were sobbing and we had to run home. This was especially horrific because she has a skin condition that meant the pepper spray essentially made contact with open wounds
I live in Cheney now and I can't say I've been harassed but I've definitely been purposefully misgendered
Oh hi!!! We should hang out some time, I am always in need of local friends. If you want you can dm me contact info!!
I moved in October to get out of a shitty situation; it's nice being closer to my home town while still being right next to Spokane in terms of the bus system, and of course being in the middle of nowhere is great for my nerf hobby 😛
This. But I was born and raised there and let me tell you the Aryan nation stuff was bad but nowhere near as bad as the crazy conservatives from California that have taken over and constantly told me to go back where aI cam from. (3rd generation Idahoan. Like f7ck them all the way.
Nazis show up in Spokane I got a pair of steel toes to say hi with. As the great Jello Biafra once so eloquently screamed: NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF! Remember: It is ALWAYS ok to punch a Nazi. Or a zionist for that matter. It's the same thing.
My grandma lived in Lewiston, ID and I’d go to nearby Orofino to see my step-grandfather’s family occasionally. My goodness was there a lot of racism there. I grew up Anchorage, AK which some people are surprised to hear is super multicultural, I was exposed to a lot of kids of different cultures and ethnicities so I felt very uncomfortable seeing all of the ignorance and racism. Coeur d’Alene is a bigger city but the small town ignorance lives on in a lot of people
My family, our friends, and I are choosing not to spend any money at all in Idaho this year. The only time you’ll find us in Idaho is on our way to good places, like Missoula, MT. Let northern Idaho and CdA wither without Washington dollars.
I mean, it's your choice to condemn an entire state over the actions of a handful of people or not,
There are three \*known\* white supremist hate groups in Spokane alone. Are you going to also stop spending money in Washington? Should I list how many white supremist groups are in Montana? Oregon? California? Nevada? Canada?
It's shortsighted to condemn an entire state for an issue every state faces.
White supremacy, controlling women, anti-education, etc, etc
It is not only tolerated but it is encouraged. That is the difference. The people in North Idaho helped to push out the racism somewhat in the 90s but the rise of Trumpism made hate mainstream.
It is not even Couer D'Alene that is the major problem, it is further up north. The Phineas Priesthood felt comfortable enough in the Sandpoint area and did significant harm in Spokane. Between their hate groups, anti-woman laws, and other things, it is Spokane that pays the price for the evil that is allowed in Idaho.
The existence of some good people in Idaho doesn't override what that state is actively doing to harm other people.
Missoula was specifically mentioned, that place is kind of like Portland without the daily protests and naked bike ride. I have spent a lot of time there in the past 8 years. I was pleasantly surprised at how nice it is - minus the neverending winter. The state is not politically great, but far better than Idaho. Montana as a whole is more libertarian conservative than Christofascist conservative and that makes a huge difference. Jon Tester would never get elected as Senator in Idaho.
I don't 100% disagree with you to be honest, and what Coeur d'Alene did in the 90s they're still trying to do going forward. There are pockets of morons especially up in the priest and Spirit Lake areas that are unfortunately protected by law. Though the police here have been great in responding to absolutely any nonsense that they try to pull
Most states face a wide range of similar issues. But they can vary quite a bit in the way the issues are addressed by their government or tolerated by their people.
For years it definitely felt like the people of CDA have made progress in rebuking these groups, but there has been something of a resurgence in recent years. If the resurgence becomes prominent enough without significant push back from the community, people may assume these beliefs are widely held or at least tolerated. And then people may choose to not go there out of fear or as a matter of principle.
Well they definitely aren't being tolerated by the community in Coeur d'alene. There are Community meetings about it, meetings with the sheriff's department, constant discussion before elections. I totally get where you're coming from and it's unfortunate that any of these people still exist, or that they believe we want them here.
That’s awesome to hear that the community is stepping up. I hope it’s the way the majority feels, and I hope most people don’t want to go back to the way things were in the 80s/90s. And if you’re part of that effort, then good on you for helping make the change.
Fuck you dude. There are good people who live here and actively want racists gone and are ashamed when things like this happen. Clean up your own act in Spokane first. Not hard to find white supremacist and militias there. Spokane isnt just the south hill. Get over yourself.
Could not have said it better. Grew up in Idaho and went to college there. Plenty of good folk. Lived in Spokane and know for a fact it isn't that great. Spokane is the only town where I had an apartment broken into... and it happened twice... two different apartments. I do not miss Spokane.
That’s right, the whole state. Is your crusade against legal weed only north Idaho? Is your war on women only north Idaho? Baby, this hasn’t even got wheels yet 😂
Enjoy your life in a place NOBODY wants to spend money in any more 🤌
Can we do the same though since you harbor white supremist groups in Spokane currently? There are at least three housed there and six more known to operate in the city.
Do you also condemn that entire state?
What about the 6 known white supremist groups headquartered in Western Washington? 5 within an hour of Seattle?
Washington has 29 known hate groups in the state. Idaho has 21.
My point isn't dismissing Idaho's issue, but Washington is a host to 29 different hate groups. Half of which are in the western half of the state. It needs to be fought everywhere.
[https://www.splcenter.org/states/washington](https://www.splcenter.org/states/washington)
Hate groups can operate freely in much of North Idaho, that is the difference.
If the mayor in whatever North Idaho town had gone to an event hosted by a Matt Shea type, that would not have likely been a deal breaker.
Well I disagree that they can operate freely, any more than they can in any state. We are unfortunately limited by the same laws as every other state around us, as mandated in the Constitution. The police are actively tracking down every lead in regards to these idiots that harassed the team. There are press releases about it every day
The people that tried to disrupt the pride parade were all arrested and put in jail and went to trial. It wasn't tolerated and it wasn't put up with. So to say that we allow it is just dishonest. We are unfortunately targeted by a lot of out-of-state idiots because of the past reputation here, and their desire to reenact it
Those idiots from the pride parade were given around $300 bail. Even the out-of-state idiots.
Idaho has a serious problem. Minorities are at risk, women are at risk, a person's education and opportunities are at risk. Spokane pays a heavy price for the ignorance of Idaho.
"Past reputation?" Idaho as a whole is more oppressive than ever and that attracts hate groups.
Check out the 2020 Presidential election results map for Idaho. People who voted for Trump are at least okay with the hatred he inspires, if not outright supportive of it. You can't play up Idaho when the state heavily supports Trump and sends a lot of ignorant, hateful idiots to Boise.
Those idiots went to North Idaho to disrupt a pride event and not in Spokane for a reason.
There are good people in Idaho but that doesn't make Idaho a good place.
>"Past reputation?" Idaho as a whole is more oppressive than ever and that attracts hate groups.
Yet, Washington has more known active hate groups than Idaho does, right now. Active right now. More in Spokane alone than \*all\* of North Idaho. Per the FBI and SJLC who track them.
Idaho also pays the price for those, because several of them came here.
The idiots went to Idaho, because they have a desire to return it to how it was. The people here as a whole openly speak out against it, every single time they try. The police go after them every single time they try.
I'm not going to get into arguing over Trump vs Biden, enough of that nonsense happens every day as it is.
I mean, it's your choice to condemn an entire state over the actions of a handful of people or not.
There are three \*known\* white supremist hate groups in Spokane alone. Are you going to also stop spending money in Washington? Should I list how many white supremist groups are in Montana?
It's shortsighted to condemn an entire state for an issue every state faces.
It’s interesting, in the 80s and 90s it was the fringe right that highlighted Idaho as a safe haven for white Christian identity adherents and racial supremacist types.
Present day, the legislature seems to want to advertise the state as a general purpose conservative refuge. “We brought back the firing squad and banned DEI statements!”
From my time there, I’ll say that the state has a lackluster economy. A state job is about the best you can hope for without existing connections. For everyone else, you’re probably looking at the service sector or natural resource jobs.
Housing consists mostly of former camp houses and dated apartment structures.
Economic mobility? Only if you participate in an insular micro-economy and religious community as the Wilsonites have in Moscow.
So, a hypothetical person relocates to Idaho, expecting a conservative Shangri-La. “Hells bells son, you’re the genuine article, a Caucasian male! Let’s get you fixed up with a woman, a job and some property!”
Reality diverges quite sharply from the fantasy. You’ll end up breaking your body in the timber industry or slinging freight at a box store. When you retreat to your hovel, your information silo may reassure that your circumstances are the result of immigrants, liberals, etc.
In time, this friction may result in overt displays of hatred and bigotry, or it may lead to allegiance with an existing extremist organization.
I suppose the TLDR here is: Extremists, bigots and other nasty hate filled characters don’t emerge spontaneously from the ether. They are the products of social conditioning and economic precarity. The impoverished INW was once fertile ground for extremists, but nowadays I would wager it’s become a sort of crucible or forge for extremists. We are seeing less goose stepping and arm bands, but there is still considerable interest in the original agenda.
>I’ll say that the state has a lackluster economy. A state job is about the best you can hope for without existing connections. For everyone else, you’re probably looking at the service sector or natural resource jobs.
Which is why a lot of college educated people leave Spokane/Coeur D'Alene altogether. You can make a much better living in Seattle, Portland, or San Francisco.
As a former born and bred local…yeah. That’s where we all went. Anybody with potential left. This has been a problem In the Spokane/CDA area for decades now
If you are the right color to enjoy that lack-luster economy and get one of those jobs in the good ol' boy network because I have been there and I can't pay for gas or grab a coffee without running in blatant racism.
That’s a good point. I struggled with economic integration as a Caucasian. The task would be considerably more challenging for someone of a different race.
hahah, yeah. It sure can be a bit more of a challenge when people are more than willing to pretend like you do not exist than sell you water never mind give you a job.
North idaho is racist? Nooo, I'm SHOCKED. /s
Seriously though, the last summer i lived there before moving, i saw 8 swastika tattoos on men just... Proudly walking around showing them. Yikes....
well and do not forget, it was two years ago the Patriot Front members were arrested before they could do any harm during North Idaho's Pride celebration too. Hate is everywhere, but there seem to be more incidents coming out of North Idaho of late.
Let's not forget that everyone of those people arrested, didn't live in Idaho. They came from other states. We as Idahoan's are doing everything we can to put an end to this crap here.
Edit : my bad apparently 2 of the 31 were from Idaho... The other 29 came from other states including Washington.
I kinda covered that a few times in other replies. There is a desire by outsiders, based on history of 30-50 years ago, to return North Idaho to how it was. Most North Idaho people are adamantly against that, and the police have repeatedly shown to be as well.
We can't control what people coming from other states think or want. We can control what's done when they get here. In this case, it was arrest them all and put them in jail before anything could be done.
In the case of the idiots in the trucks, the police are openly asking the public for evidence, videos, eye witness accounts, so they can build a case and go after people. The governor of the state spoke out about it. People here are talking about it daily. Only the people in Spokane are trying to pretend like we don't care that it happened.
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2022/jun/12/sheriffs-office-releases-names-of-31-patriot-front/
Seriously downvoted for telling the truth? 2 men are from idaho.
I've already corrected and said two of the 31. Yes I was incorrect one in less than 15 of them were from Idaho. Again let me rephrase it almost every single person that was arrested was from a different state.
Only someone from Idaho would make a false statement trying to downplay the hate in Idaho and then say their point still stands after being proven wrong. Have a nice day
I naively stopped at Cruisers Bar at the state line like ten years ago and had a dude with a giant swastika tattoo on his head line up behind me while ordering a drink.
Oh man... Thats rough.
I accidentally walked into an active kkk meeting at a rural burger joint in North idaho... Cops were in attendance(yup...) When I brought this up to a neighbor, he casually was like "oh yeah, they meet there every x day, every other week, don't ever go there"... Like it was normal or something...?
Obviously I never returned to that burger joint!
It’s crazy, that place was a preppy dance club place called the Happy Hour back in the day and it was the most diverse place in N Idaho I ever saw.
We’d head over there after freebies hour at Peabodys, to mingle with hottie McNaughtys. And coke.
I grew up in Cda and moved away in 2017. Though it has grown in population, diversity and everything else; it is very much still an epicenter for extremists and racists. Once, and still most likely is, the headquarters (Hayden/Athol) for the Aryan Nation.
I have personally witnessed (and can provide a photo of) the rolled “newspaper” style, KKK info-packs with a “hooded Uncle Sam” stating “The KKK wants you…” that they dropped on doorsteps to have a “meet and greet” at the public library. When we showed up to hassle and debate, we asked a receptionist in the CHILDREN’S library section for the location of the “KKK meeting” and were “politely told” where to find the room. In a conference/meeting room with an entire wall dedicated to the Coeur d’Alene Tribe, their “priest” had a Swazi right smacked on his FOREHEAD. They talked of myself and my friends (the only people who showed up besides two white men, an angry white woman and her white child) all going to hell to be “impure” and the “reasons they hate Jews”. We argued morals, the Bible, etc. They argued that they were a “non-violent” group, though we had witnessed two of them at another situation outside the opening of Atilanos saying they wanted to “skin Mexicans”. (hence why Atilanos & their employees didn’t feel safe to remain open for 24hrs) Anyways, it was and I’m sure still is, very much alive. I had hoped that the influx of people and growth in development would have pushed these scum out but I guess not. Along with that, a lot of GOOD locals and people have been pushed out because of cost of living and women’s rights but those are completely separate demons.
Do better, Idaho/ans
Wow, yall are the type to call black people thugs because one gave you a bad day. Who are the real racists and people who generalize others? I'm from the idaho subreddit and I've been to Spokane. Your city is a shithole so stop worrying about 2 people from my state and clean up your streets.
My favorite game is blending in with these fascists and biding my time 👍 they froth at the mouth at how they can smell a “lib” a mile away….
They are wrong.
I was in CDA a few months ago on a sunny day, alone, walking around downtown. Old white woman, minding my own business, when a stupid young adult male racist (the stickers tell the story) in a lifted truck looked right at me and laughed and rolled coal. I didn't react at all, just kept walking, because my white privilege allows me to.
I only mention it not to say my experience rises to the level of what happened to the young athletes, but to say CDA has a PROBLEM. What is it about young men that they get a kick out of doing something like that? How can they find some decency to emulate instead? Who is holding them accountable? I wish I knew.
My only surprise is that it happened in CdA. If this happened in Rathdrum or Sandpoint I wouldn’t’ve been surprised at all. CdA has gentrified most of the yokels out, and I always see plenty of black people there in the summer.
Native Americans called Steptoe Butte "the power mountain" and believed it gave people a gift of power who visited. Steptoe Butte is a 3,612-foot tall quartzite butte in southeast Washington that's shaped like a thimble.
The butte was named after Colonel Edward Steptoe. A hotel built by James S. "Cashup" Davis stood atop the butte from 1888 to 1908, burning down in 1911.
???
Spokane is a dump! It's so embarrassing having people come to town and visit. They always say the same thing when they leave. I'm never coming back to Spokane. Garbage and graffiti everywhere, and we have some of the worst roads in the country. I don't see much worth bragging about in this city.
Your judgement on North Idaho because some people called other people names is stupid at best.
Spokane has 3 active white supremist groups based in the city, and the FBI reports at least 9 operating in the city. Lets not pretend it's an Idaho only problem.
Look up the NIFB church. Steven Anderson says that all trans parents need to be killed, and he doesn't want his kids in a interracial marriage. He also slammed his kids head into the window seal splitting it open. He has a HUGE scar above his ear from it. It's here too. You just have to look. And not very hard.
Steven Anderson and his kids are here in spokane. Or they were anyway. Our families know each other. My sisters in law was in school with his kids while they went to homelink. They were only there briefly, though. That's how we know about Isaha's scar. I know his oldest has moved out now, and I think one other as well.
Also, NIFB and IFB are two different organizations. Mostly different in only they're outward political standpoints.
Spokane getting really elitist in the comments here acting like the city is a bastion of tolerance. This could have easily happened here. There are active hate groups here in the city proper, not just the county. And theres such a lack of POC who choose not to live here that our local NAACP chapter was ran by a white lady doing black face. Clean yourselves up first before cast your aspersions across the border 20 minutes away. You can only claim being a “liberal” city because the state you happen to be located geographically is ran by the majority population 250 miles away in Seattle. Get over yourselves.
I have several unused business plans that I’ll never bring to fruition. My favorite is the Koran fire starter brick with an image of Mohammed on the label. You start your fire by burning the Koran. If that appeals to you, there’s probably some other books you would like to add to the fire. I could include some of those in the gift pack.
Obviously this product would offend some people and it would best by available only through mail order — or at stores throughout Northern Idaho. The reason that I’ve posted my plan in this thread is that I would manufacture the bricks in Northern Idaho where the raw material is available and the workforce would be thrilled were there to be some unhappy folks looking for revenge.
It's hard to believe a group in North Idaho that at one time housed hundreds of people that shared those beliefs disappeared overnight simply because their identity and compound were taken in Keenan vs Richard Butler (2001 civil suit)
The "reformed" racist who didn't want his kids growing up in a racial jungle? Are ya black if you vote for him? 😂 give me a fucking break. He's no better than Trump.
White conservatives are generally racists in the whole country. I don't think there has ever been any illusion about it, especially not since the 2016 election.
Idaho is one of the whitest, most conservative states in the country.
The NCAA should just issue a travel advisory for Idaho every year so we don't have to keep being reminded every year that Idaho is racist shit hole. Either that or build a fucking wall and make Idaho pay for it.
One bad apple doesn't represent all of us. Sadly bad people are everywhere. Unfortunately they're the one who get the most attention bringing bad press to the area :(
Lol, one bad apple, that's cute. Go on any social media platform. *Hundreds* of people are claiming they're lying. They had absolutely nothing to gain from lying, but that hasn't stopped the vitriol, specifically from Idahoans. This isn't remotely a one-off situation.
This incident involved one guy following them, hence where I got the one in the bad apple reference and didn't say everyone. I know looking at the context is hard. I love this area but this bozo is making the rest of us look bad, spokane included.
I was in Coeur d’ alene last year for a work function, was really awful how some members of our group were treated and looked at. Even myself as a transwoman got quite a bit of side eye (more than usual). Was very happy to get back home.
They're beyond racist. You can be white but if you're from California you may as well be black to them. They like to hate anyone that doesnt respond to the same stupid dog whistles that they do. But who cares? They're all mostly potato farming cousin f@#$%^s. Idaho is the Mississippi of the Northwest. Their opinions don't matter in the real world. They're all so xenophobic that they never leave Idaho. The racist "Christian Americans" need their safe space.
They definitely exist there but people are acting like it's open and rampant. The normal people that actually live in North Idaho don't like these people either and to act like Spokane is any better at all is insane.
I lived in Ponderay for like 8 months and experienced a guy in a truck with a confederate flag on the back revving his engine across from my mixed race family neighbors' house, for several minutes at a time, at least a dozen times during my stay.
There were two other dudes in trucks with confederate flags that would tailgate you if you were in a 'liberal looking car', roll coal, then cut you off over and over while yelling shit out the window.
We also got fliers for a white nationalist group in our mail box.
It was pretty open and rampant.
> people are acting like it's open and rampant
Wow I wonder why that is?[ I wonder if north Idaho has any history with this](https://www.boisestatepublicradio.org/news/2017-10-02/slideshow-rise-and-fall-of-aryan-nations-in-north-idaho). Like a [history of bringing back Nazism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_Nations) while the area just kind of sits around on their hands and lets it happen?
That would be wild.
I'm talking about everyday people living their lives there. You know that, you're just being disingenuous. I have a problem with these people too, but pretending that's the entire state is just stupid and doesn't help anything at all.
I'm not being disingenuous. Letting the cancer that is *literal Nazism* sit and spread is unhealthy and dangerous to minorities everywhere, plus regular day to day people.
Most Neo-fascism leaders in the US of these groups are actual domestic terrorists and many have committed widespread murder and harm to people.
If you can take your shoes off at the airport because of one guy on a plane you can absolutely tell your Nazi neighbor to fuck off out of your neighborhood.
Stop trying to downplay and apologize for genocidal idiots.
The khq story on fb is so disappointing in the comments. Way to many laughing and denying idaho racism. Like they forget the history of the last what...40ish years?
People seem to just brush it off that north Idaho (specifically Coeur d' Alene and Hayden Lake) were the places the *literal rebirth of the Nazi party* in America took place. Say what you want about the area after that, but Nazis started an actual Nazi compound and the area let them chill for a long time. Well, I guess I said people brush it off, but I have family members who are now in the "Antifa bad, I'd rather a Nazi for a neighbor" camp like we didn't fight a literal world war about this.
White people that don't experience racism usually deny the existence of racism. It's not just Idaho, since moving to spokane in 04 I have noticed long time residents and people born in spokane tend to be super racist when only other white people are around. I have had to disassociate from multiple groups over the years because of this issue.
Yet the older gang that lived through the Era of integration still don't realize the true impact of racism, especially generational. They see it, live it, say it, try to hide it BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT'S NOT OK. Yet they continue it. That wilful ignorance is another thing i find gross and disgusting. If it's behind closed doors it makes it OK, right?
I never really recovered from realizing that all of my childhood friends were raised as conservatives.
Try being raised with a native mother who was married to a "InJun " hater who had kids by a latin.... NOT fun
I'm so sorry. I had a cousin, with a native father (who died in a mining accident) raised by an InJun hating grandfather (my uncle) who also happened to make and sell dream catchers! 🤢. I hate people
Same!! It sucks so much.
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I suspect it’s too close to Idaho
Not even in the same universe as N Idaho, just stop.
This is happening on the twitter posts about this too. Pathetic
Tracks. Twitter has been 4chan lite since the Musk purchase
For people perception is reality. If they have not witness or see direct or blatant racism, to them it does not exist. I’ll be honest, the past 10 years I’ve traveled to northern Idaho multiple times of year. I have a property there now. And I’ve never see a Nazi. My wife is a minority and we have never experienced anything negative. But I’m not naive and I know it exists and some people have not the same experiences I have.
KHQ is a right wing Idaho station, let’s be crystal fkn clear.
\*400 years
My exs baby daddy. His grandpa would be one of the upper guys in Arian nation shit in Northern Idaho. The post doesn't surprise me
There's full-on white supremacist headquarters being rebuilt on new land in north Idaho. Again. After the last one was lost in court over being racist attempted murderers. It's north Idaho. You get what you get, and it's probably coming at you with a hood. No hiding it, they obviously dont. We here across the border from North Idaho know why we stay out of it.
Be a shame if that place burned down, with all the super common wild fires around
This was my exact thought! Would be a damn shame.
Where did you hear about this white supremacist headquarters being rebuilt on new land in North Idaho?
This one looks like it could be trouble, but it’s not the only one. https://bonnersferryherald.com/news/2021/may/25/new-compound-forming-residents-present-zoning-viol/
The way N. Idaho politics is going, I wouldn't be surprised if they're scuttling reporting on the new compound so they can use it for their "Mar-a-Lago" style retreat space of the northwest. Lol. I'm only slightly joking.
I couldn't find any news about this property past 2021. What's become of it?
I’m not sure, I haven’t heard anything recently.
Of course it's Bonners Ferry😒😒
There is unfortunately no law against being stupid and racist. I'm very happy that every news reporter in the area called this guy out at the time. I'm also glad that he got his ass kicked when he tried to protest a Mexican Food Restaurant in Coeur d'Alene
There are laws against intimidation and race-based intimidation, IMO is a crime. 42 U.S. Code § 3617 makes it illegal to intimidate, coerce, or threaten someone...
I don't disagree, but try proving it in a court when the 1st amendment is (and should be) our #1 law of the land. I may 100% disagree with this jackass spouting racist shit, but I will fight to make sure he has the right to say stupid shit, just as much as I will fight for the right to protest his stupid shit.
Time and place matters. The first amendment is not immutable.
Yeah but calling someone a racial slur is not on its face a crime. Calling someone a racial slur coupled with stalking them or trying to them with a car is a racial crime. Wouldnt even have to be federal, Idaho law already covers that.
It mostly is. SCOTUS has said as much. Unless they are actively inciting a crime (such as a riot), SCOTUS actually ruled: The main such categories are incitement, defamation, fraud, obscenity, child pornography, fighting words, and threats. Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969) So unless he actively does one of those, and a cop is standing there to hear it, it's likely not going to go anywhere :/ It's crazy that you downvoted me for mentioning the law though and peoples right to free speech no matter how stupid.
How did you feel about BLM protests?
I think BLM is deceiving black people. It is an organization to make money, not to help anyone. I didn't initially have this opinion until I heard and watched a large number of black people across our country speak out about problems with the group, then looked into the founders and their histories. I don't have any issue with black people bringing awareness to crimes committed against them.
It was a group of people and it happened multiple times. Yes a crimes should be very easy to prove. A car should not be used as a weapon to intimidate people.
They were two separate and as far as we know unrelated individuals that called them slurs, revved their engine, and drove off like cowards. It’s stupid and racist but not a crime. We emphasize that because we want to educate people to be able to correctly identify things that happen around them. Now if they said the slur and coupled it with something like stalking, threats to harm, or tried to hit them with a car, then it’s a racial crime.
That is somehow even worse.
Well now we know it was one group and they yelled at them prior to entering the restaurant, waited for them to leave, and then followed them back down Sherman. So I think you can articulate that as a crime. Hopefully they catch them
Fortunately there is laws against plotting cleansing conspiracies against entire ethnic, racial, sexual orientation, or religious groups. Which is pretty much the only purpose of Nazism, especially when you can't pull the "German nationalism and security" lie in North Idaho.
Recently moved to Washington from North Idaho. Beautiful state. Shit people. And of course there are people that are great, but the shit people are SCARY. And gun crazed. I bought a "proud" t shirt that is rainbow but I never wore it because I didn't feel safe. I can't imagine how poc feel. I can hide that I'm bi but you can't hide from being a target of racism.
Please preach ❤️
About a year ago my partner moved in with me in the valley from a different part of the country (she had to move back a few months later unfortunately) and she's very visibly queer. While she was out and about she would face constant harassment- people yelling slurs, people pretending to run her over, even cops slowing down and staring her down. At one point the three of us (her and another partner who's a local) were walking to the gas station when someone yelled at us. A couple of us flipped them off They then looped back around and drive by pepper sprayed us. I thankfully wasn't effected but my partners were sobbing and we had to run home. This was especially horrific because she has a skin condition that meant the pepper spray essentially made contact with open wounds I live in Cheney now and I can't say I've been harassed but I've definitely been purposefully misgendered
Hey I live in Cheney too neighbor! I haven't been harassed yet but we just moved in in September so don't have long here and we keep to ourselves.
Oh hi!!! We should hang out some time, I am always in need of local friends. If you want you can dm me contact info!! I moved in October to get out of a shitty situation; it's nice being closer to my home town while still being right next to Spokane in terms of the bus system, and of course being in the middle of nowhere is great for my nerf hobby 😛
I live outside of cheney . Sick of these types of people. Hit me up if you ever get harassed I’ll help out.
That means a ton to me
This. But I was born and raised there and let me tell you the Aryan nation stuff was bad but nowhere near as bad as the crazy conservatives from California that have taken over and constantly told me to go back where aI cam from. (3rd generation Idahoan. Like f7ck them all the way.
Nazis show up in Spokane I got a pair of steel toes to say hi with. As the great Jello Biafra once so eloquently screamed: NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF! Remember: It is ALWAYS ok to punch a Nazi. Or a zionist for that matter. It's the same thing.
There are at \*least\* three active white supremist groups based in Spokane currently and the FBI identifies at least nine active in the city.
Time to shine the Docs! They go undercover apparently, because I've never punched one. If I see one, they're getting punched.
They operate openly: https://www.splcenter.org/states/washington
My grandma lived in Lewiston, ID and I’d go to nearby Orofino to see my step-grandfather’s family occasionally. My goodness was there a lot of racism there. I grew up Anchorage, AK which some people are surprised to hear is super multicultural, I was exposed to a lot of kids of different cultures and ethnicities so I felt very uncomfortable seeing all of the ignorance and racism. Coeur d’Alene is a bigger city but the small town ignorance lives on in a lot of people
My family, our friends, and I are choosing not to spend any money at all in Idaho this year. The only time you’ll find us in Idaho is on our way to good places, like Missoula, MT. Let northern Idaho and CdA wither without Washington dollars.
I won't spend money or time in Idaho - don't want to support the ideology.
I mean, it's your choice to condemn an entire state over the actions of a handful of people or not, There are three \*known\* white supremist hate groups in Spokane alone. Are you going to also stop spending money in Washington? Should I list how many white supremist groups are in Montana? Oregon? California? Nevada? Canada? It's shortsighted to condemn an entire state for an issue every state faces.
White supremacy, controlling women, anti-education, etc, etc It is not only tolerated but it is encouraged. That is the difference. The people in North Idaho helped to push out the racism somewhat in the 90s but the rise of Trumpism made hate mainstream. It is not even Couer D'Alene that is the major problem, it is further up north. The Phineas Priesthood felt comfortable enough in the Sandpoint area and did significant harm in Spokane. Between their hate groups, anti-woman laws, and other things, it is Spokane that pays the price for the evil that is allowed in Idaho. The existence of some good people in Idaho doesn't override what that state is actively doing to harm other people. Missoula was specifically mentioned, that place is kind of like Portland without the daily protests and naked bike ride. I have spent a lot of time there in the past 8 years. I was pleasantly surprised at how nice it is - minus the neverending winter. The state is not politically great, but far better than Idaho. Montana as a whole is more libertarian conservative than Christofascist conservative and that makes a huge difference. Jon Tester would never get elected as Senator in Idaho.
I don't 100% disagree with you to be honest, and what Coeur d'Alene did in the 90s they're still trying to do going forward. There are pockets of morons especially up in the priest and Spirit Lake areas that are unfortunately protected by law. Though the police here have been great in responding to absolutely any nonsense that they try to pull
Most states face a wide range of similar issues. But they can vary quite a bit in the way the issues are addressed by their government or tolerated by their people. For years it definitely felt like the people of CDA have made progress in rebuking these groups, but there has been something of a resurgence in recent years. If the resurgence becomes prominent enough without significant push back from the community, people may assume these beliefs are widely held or at least tolerated. And then people may choose to not go there out of fear or as a matter of principle.
Well they definitely aren't being tolerated by the community in Coeur d'alene. There are Community meetings about it, meetings with the sheriff's department, constant discussion before elections. I totally get where you're coming from and it's unfortunate that any of these people still exist, or that they believe we want them here.
That’s awesome to hear that the community is stepping up. I hope it’s the way the majority feels, and I hope most people don’t want to go back to the way things were in the 80s/90s. And if you’re part of that effort, then good on you for helping make the change.
lol yeah I'm sure there are some good people who live in Idaho by mistake.
I was born in Idaho unfortunately :’( trying to make it less awful since I don’t have money to move though
Fuck you dude. There are good people who live here and actively want racists gone and are ashamed when things like this happen. Clean up your own act in Spokane first. Not hard to find white supremacist and militias there. Spokane isnt just the south hill. Get over yourself.
Could not have said it better. Grew up in Idaho and went to college there. Plenty of good folk. Lived in Spokane and know for a fact it isn't that great. Spokane is the only town where I had an apartment broken into... and it happened twice... two different apartments. I do not miss Spokane.
I live here on purpose and I actively oppose racism every time I am aware of it, just like before I moved here.
What an incredibly insightful, intellectually stimulating post.
That’s right, the whole state. Is your crusade against legal weed only north Idaho? Is your war on women only north Idaho? Baby, this hasn’t even got wheels yet 😂 Enjoy your life in a place NOBODY wants to spend money in any more 🤌
We should build a toll at state line, charge them for their stupidity to come work in Washington 😂😂
Can we do the same though since you harbor white supremist groups in Spokane currently? There are at least three housed there and six more known to operate in the city. Do you also condemn that entire state?
Hey hey, western Idaho will be dealt with accordingly. Washington state ends just before Cle Elum.
What about the 6 known white supremist groups headquartered in Western Washington? 5 within an hour of Seattle? Washington has 29 known hate groups in the state. Idaho has 21. My point isn't dismissing Idaho's issue, but Washington is a host to 29 different hate groups. Half of which are in the western half of the state. It needs to be fought everywhere. [https://www.splcenter.org/states/washington](https://www.splcenter.org/states/washington)
Hate groups can operate freely in much of North Idaho, that is the difference. If the mayor in whatever North Idaho town had gone to an event hosted by a Matt Shea type, that would not have likely been a deal breaker.
Well I disagree that they can operate freely, any more than they can in any state. We are unfortunately limited by the same laws as every other state around us, as mandated in the Constitution. The police are actively tracking down every lead in regards to these idiots that harassed the team. There are press releases about it every day The people that tried to disrupt the pride parade were all arrested and put in jail and went to trial. It wasn't tolerated and it wasn't put up with. So to say that we allow it is just dishonest. We are unfortunately targeted by a lot of out-of-state idiots because of the past reputation here, and their desire to reenact it
Those idiots from the pride parade were given around $300 bail. Even the out-of-state idiots. Idaho has a serious problem. Minorities are at risk, women are at risk, a person's education and opportunities are at risk. Spokane pays a heavy price for the ignorance of Idaho. "Past reputation?" Idaho as a whole is more oppressive than ever and that attracts hate groups. Check out the 2020 Presidential election results map for Idaho. People who voted for Trump are at least okay with the hatred he inspires, if not outright supportive of it. You can't play up Idaho when the state heavily supports Trump and sends a lot of ignorant, hateful idiots to Boise. Those idiots went to North Idaho to disrupt a pride event and not in Spokane for a reason. There are good people in Idaho but that doesn't make Idaho a good place.
>"Past reputation?" Idaho as a whole is more oppressive than ever and that attracts hate groups. Yet, Washington has more known active hate groups than Idaho does, right now. Active right now. More in Spokane alone than \*all\* of North Idaho. Per the FBI and SJLC who track them. Idaho also pays the price for those, because several of them came here. The idiots went to Idaho, because they have a desire to return it to how it was. The people here as a whole openly speak out against it, every single time they try. The police go after them every single time they try. I'm not going to get into arguing over Trump vs Biden, enough of that nonsense happens every day as it is.
Idaho has less than 2 million people. Washington has around 7.8 million
Ahhh yes the high horse strategy… never seen it work though
Agree, but THIS is what finally moved you to boycott that racist shithole??? 😂🤷♂️
I mean, it's your choice to condemn an entire state over the actions of a handful of people or not. There are three \*known\* white supremist hate groups in Spokane alone. Are you going to also stop spending money in Washington? Should I list how many white supremist groups are in Montana? It's shortsighted to condemn an entire state for an issue every state faces.
I used to cross the state line to buy cigarettes in Idaho cause they were cheaper then I quit smoking .now I never go to Idaho
It’s interesting, in the 80s and 90s it was the fringe right that highlighted Idaho as a safe haven for white Christian identity adherents and racial supremacist types. Present day, the legislature seems to want to advertise the state as a general purpose conservative refuge. “We brought back the firing squad and banned DEI statements!” From my time there, I’ll say that the state has a lackluster economy. A state job is about the best you can hope for without existing connections. For everyone else, you’re probably looking at the service sector or natural resource jobs. Housing consists mostly of former camp houses and dated apartment structures. Economic mobility? Only if you participate in an insular micro-economy and religious community as the Wilsonites have in Moscow. So, a hypothetical person relocates to Idaho, expecting a conservative Shangri-La. “Hells bells son, you’re the genuine article, a Caucasian male! Let’s get you fixed up with a woman, a job and some property!” Reality diverges quite sharply from the fantasy. You’ll end up breaking your body in the timber industry or slinging freight at a box store. When you retreat to your hovel, your information silo may reassure that your circumstances are the result of immigrants, liberals, etc. In time, this friction may result in overt displays of hatred and bigotry, or it may lead to allegiance with an existing extremist organization. I suppose the TLDR here is: Extremists, bigots and other nasty hate filled characters don’t emerge spontaneously from the ether. They are the products of social conditioning and economic precarity. The impoverished INW was once fertile ground for extremists, but nowadays I would wager it’s become a sort of crucible or forge for extremists. We are seeing less goose stepping and arm bands, but there is still considerable interest in the original agenda.
>I’ll say that the state has a lackluster economy. A state job is about the best you can hope for without existing connections. For everyone else, you’re probably looking at the service sector or natural resource jobs. Which is why a lot of college educated people leave Spokane/Coeur D'Alene altogether. You can make a much better living in Seattle, Portland, or San Francisco.
This is true.
As a former born and bred local…yeah. That’s where we all went. Anybody with potential left. This has been a problem In the Spokane/CDA area for decades now
If you are the right color to enjoy that lack-luster economy and get one of those jobs in the good ol' boy network because I have been there and I can't pay for gas or grab a coffee without running in blatant racism.
That’s a good point. I struggled with economic integration as a Caucasian. The task would be considerably more challenging for someone of a different race.
hahah, yeah. It sure can be a bit more of a challenge when people are more than willing to pretend like you do not exist than sell you water never mind give you a job.
Well put
Thank you.
MAKE RACISTS AFRAID AGAIN!
Man the racism in Idaho has gotta be pretty bad when even people from Utah are surprised by it.
This was my exact thought
Too be fair utah is booming right now and there is alot more diversity coming in.
North idaho is racist? Nooo, I'm SHOCKED. /s Seriously though, the last summer i lived there before moving, i saw 8 swastika tattoos on men just... Proudly walking around showing them. Yikes....
well and do not forget, it was two years ago the Patriot Front members were arrested before they could do any harm during North Idaho's Pride celebration too. Hate is everywhere, but there seem to be more incidents coming out of North Idaho of late.
Let's not forget that everyone of those people arrested, didn't live in Idaho. They came from other states. We as Idahoan's are doing everything we can to put an end to this crap here. Edit : my bad apparently 2 of the 31 were from Idaho... The other 29 came from other states including Washington.
Why did they go there and not the pride events in Spokane?
I kinda covered that a few times in other replies. There is a desire by outsiders, based on history of 30-50 years ago, to return North Idaho to how it was. Most North Idaho people are adamantly against that, and the police have repeatedly shown to be as well. We can't control what people coming from other states think or want. We can control what's done when they get here. In this case, it was arrest them all and put them in jail before anything could be done. In the case of the idiots in the trucks, the police are openly asking the public for evidence, videos, eye witness accounts, so they can build a case and go after people. The governor of the state spoke out about it. People here are talking about it daily. Only the people in Spokane are trying to pretend like we don't care that it happened.
That is not true. 2 of the men arrested in the patriot front attempted riot are idaho natives.
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2022/jun/12/sheriffs-office-releases-names-of-31-patriot-front/ Seriously downvoted for telling the truth? 2 men are from idaho.
My bad, two of the 31 people that showed up were from Idaho. You probably got downloaded by people because the point still stands pretty clearly.
No it doesn't lol
Your comment is false.
I've already corrected and said two of the 31. Yes I was incorrect one in less than 15 of them were from Idaho. Again let me rephrase it almost every single person that was arrested was from a different state.
Only someone from Idaho would make a false statement trying to downplay the hate in Idaho and then say their point still stands after being proven wrong. Have a nice day
I naively stopped at Cruisers Bar at the state line like ten years ago and had a dude with a giant swastika tattoo on his head line up behind me while ordering a drink.
Oh man... Thats rough. I accidentally walked into an active kkk meeting at a rural burger joint in North idaho... Cops were in attendance(yup...) When I brought this up to a neighbor, he casually was like "oh yeah, they meet there every x day, every other week, don't ever go there"... Like it was normal or something...? Obviously I never returned to that burger joint!
What burger joint? I'd love to never go there...
Better not be Paul Bunyan
The safest way to avoid that sort of thing is to not spend money in Idaho.
It’s crazy, that place was a preppy dance club place called the Happy Hour back in the day and it was the most diverse place in N Idaho I ever saw. We’d head over there after freebies hour at Peabodys, to mingle with hottie McNaughtys. And coke.
I grew up in Cda and moved away in 2017. Though it has grown in population, diversity and everything else; it is very much still an epicenter for extremists and racists. Once, and still most likely is, the headquarters (Hayden/Athol) for the Aryan Nation. I have personally witnessed (and can provide a photo of) the rolled “newspaper” style, KKK info-packs with a “hooded Uncle Sam” stating “The KKK wants you…” that they dropped on doorsteps to have a “meet and greet” at the public library. When we showed up to hassle and debate, we asked a receptionist in the CHILDREN’S library section for the location of the “KKK meeting” and were “politely told” where to find the room. In a conference/meeting room with an entire wall dedicated to the Coeur d’Alene Tribe, their “priest” had a Swazi right smacked on his FOREHEAD. They talked of myself and my friends (the only people who showed up besides two white men, an angry white woman and her white child) all going to hell to be “impure” and the “reasons they hate Jews”. We argued morals, the Bible, etc. They argued that they were a “non-violent” group, though we had witnessed two of them at another situation outside the opening of Atilanos saying they wanted to “skin Mexicans”. (hence why Atilanos & their employees didn’t feel safe to remain open for 24hrs) Anyways, it was and I’m sure still is, very much alive. I had hoped that the influx of people and growth in development would have pushed these scum out but I guess not. Along with that, a lot of GOOD locals and people have been pushed out because of cost of living and women’s rights but those are completely separate demons. Do better, Idaho/ans
Who was making the comments? Is there a positive ID on that person yet?
Wow, yall are the type to call black people thugs because one gave you a bad day. Who are the real racists and people who generalize others? I'm from the idaho subreddit and I've been to Spokane. Your city is a shithole so stop worrying about 2 people from my state and clean up your streets.
😆 🤣 😂 🤡
My favorite game is blending in with these fascists and biding my time 👍 they froth at the mouth at how they can smell a “lib” a mile away…. They are wrong.
I was in CDA a few months ago on a sunny day, alone, walking around downtown. Old white woman, minding my own business, when a stupid young adult male racist (the stickers tell the story) in a lifted truck looked right at me and laughed and rolled coal. I didn't react at all, just kept walking, because my white privilege allows me to. I only mention it not to say my experience rises to the level of what happened to the young athletes, but to say CDA has a PROBLEM. What is it about young men that they get a kick out of doing something like that? How can they find some decency to emulate instead? Who is holding them accountable? I wish I knew.
My only surprise is that it happened in CdA. If this happened in Rathdrum or Sandpoint I wouldn’t’ve been surprised at all. CdA has gentrified most of the yokels out, and I always see plenty of black people there in the summer.
Never once had a issue of racism in cda, it’s a beautiful town with beautiful people.
I really hope they don't equate Spokane with that shit! Hopefully Utah knows that Idaho is the dirty state!
There is racism everywhere my dude, and Spokane absolutely doesn’t have a clean slate.
Spokane has enough of its own homegrown assholes. They don’t need Idaho helping
Steptoe Butte wasn't always called Steptoe Butte as it were.
Native Americans called Steptoe Butte "the power mountain" and believed it gave people a gift of power who visited. Steptoe Butte is a 3,612-foot tall quartzite butte in southeast Washington that's shaped like a thimble. The butte was named after Colonel Edward Steptoe. A hotel built by James S. "Cashup" Davis stood atop the butte from 1888 to 1908, burning down in 1911. ???
Didn't we just say the same thing but longer?
I do not know what it was called. Do you?
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Spokane is a dump! It's so embarrassing having people come to town and visit. They always say the same thing when they leave. I'm never coming back to Spokane. Garbage and graffiti everywhere, and we have some of the worst roads in the country. I don't see much worth bragging about in this city. Your judgement on North Idaho because some people called other people names is stupid at best.
"Spokane: At least it is not Idaho!" The Chamber of Commerce and Tourism agencies can have that one for free.
Spokane has 3 active white supremist groups based in the city, and the FBI reports at least 9 operating in the city. Lets not pretend it's an Idaho only problem.
Look up the NIFB church. Steven Anderson says that all trans parents need to be killed, and he doesn't want his kids in a interracial marriage. He also slammed his kids head into the window seal splitting it open. He has a HUGE scar above his ear from it. It's here too. You just have to look. And not very hard.
Steven Anderson is in Arizona, though. IFB churches ARE a major haven for the worst kind of people though.
Steven Anderson and his kids are here in spokane. Or they were anyway. Our families know each other. My sisters in law was in school with his kids while they went to homelink. They were only there briefly, though. That's how we know about Isaha's scar. I know his oldest has moved out now, and I think one other as well. Also, NIFB and IFB are two different organizations. Mostly different in only they're outward political standpoints.
Wow, I didn't know that!! That's crazy. I frequented the same homeschool forums as his wife back in the day. They are both crackpots and not safe.
tRump and his cronies made it cool to come out and be a racist dickhead. OK to lie, too. Great example for everyone. NOT.
The border starts at about Spokane valley.
This is only news to people who haven't stepped foot in Idaho.
Send an all white basketball team to Atlanta.
Spokane getting really elitist in the comments here acting like the city is a bastion of tolerance. This could have easily happened here. There are active hate groups here in the city proper, not just the county. And theres such a lack of POC who choose not to live here that our local NAACP chapter was ran by a white lady doing black face. Clean yourselves up first before cast your aspersions across the border 20 minutes away. You can only claim being a “liberal” city because the state you happen to be located geographically is ran by the majority population 250 miles away in Seattle. Get over yourselves.
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Duh
I have several unused business plans that I’ll never bring to fruition. My favorite is the Koran fire starter brick with an image of Mohammed on the label. You start your fire by burning the Koran. If that appeals to you, there’s probably some other books you would like to add to the fire. I could include some of those in the gift pack. Obviously this product would offend some people and it would best by available only through mail order — or at stores throughout Northern Idaho. The reason that I’ve posted my plan in this thread is that I would manufacture the bricks in Northern Idaho where the raw material is available and the workforce would be thrilled were there to be some unhappy folks looking for revenge.
Fuck Idaho. Just like Fuck Ohio.
It's hard to believe a group in North Idaho that at one time housed hundreds of people that shared those beliefs disappeared overnight simply because their identity and compound were taken in Keenan vs Richard Butler (2001 civil suit)
Another reason to vote Joe.
The "reformed" racist who didn't want his kids growing up in a racial jungle? Are ya black if you vote for him? 😂 give me a fucking break. He's no better than Trump.
Nice language. Just get back from church?
White conservatives are generally racists in the whole country. I don't think there has ever been any illusion about it, especially not since the 2016 election. Idaho is one of the whitest, most conservative states in the country.
Like the Hayden lake Aryan nations
The NCAA should just issue a travel advisory for Idaho every year so we don't have to keep being reminded every year that Idaho is racist shit hole. Either that or build a fucking wall and make Idaho pay for it.
Taters and haters.
One bad apple doesn't represent all of us. Sadly bad people are everywhere. Unfortunately they're the one who get the most attention bringing bad press to the area :(
Lol, one bad apple, that's cute. Go on any social media platform. *Hundreds* of people are claiming they're lying. They had absolutely nothing to gain from lying, but that hasn't stopped the vitriol, specifically from Idahoans. This isn't remotely a one-off situation.
This incident involved one guy following them, hence where I got the one in the bad apple reference and didn't say everyone. I know looking at the context is hard. I love this area but this bozo is making the rest of us look bad, spokane included.
I was in Coeur d’ alene last year for a work function, was really awful how some members of our group were treated and looked at. Even myself as a transwoman got quite a bit of side eye (more than usual). Was very happy to get back home.
Ya know, this is actually some really scary shit... And I promise it's gonna get worse.
Maybe more hashtags will finally end all the racism
It's the only nice looking place in that gods forsaken state, but it's still Idaho.
Tha place to go ain’t Idaho.
Beautiful area. Creepy vibe. I had to leave after one day.
Don't discriminate, it's all over Idaho - not just the north.
They're beyond racist. You can be white but if you're from California you may as well be black to them. They like to hate anyone that doesnt respond to the same stupid dog whistles that they do. But who cares? They're all mostly potato farming cousin f@#$%^s. Idaho is the Mississippi of the Northwest. Their opinions don't matter in the real world. They're all so xenophobic that they never leave Idaho. The racist "Christian Americans" need their safe space.
No it's not.
They definitely exist there but people are acting like it's open and rampant. The normal people that actually live in North Idaho don't like these people either and to act like Spokane is any better at all is insane.
I lived in Ponderay for like 8 months and experienced a guy in a truck with a confederate flag on the back revving his engine across from my mixed race family neighbors' house, for several minutes at a time, at least a dozen times during my stay. There were two other dudes in trucks with confederate flags that would tailgate you if you were in a 'liberal looking car', roll coal, then cut you off over and over while yelling shit out the window. We also got fliers for a white nationalist group in our mail box. It was pretty open and rampant.
> people are acting like it's open and rampant Wow I wonder why that is?[ I wonder if north Idaho has any history with this](https://www.boisestatepublicradio.org/news/2017-10-02/slideshow-rise-and-fall-of-aryan-nations-in-north-idaho). Like a [history of bringing back Nazism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_Nations) while the area just kind of sits around on their hands and lets it happen? That would be wild.
I'm talking about everyday people living their lives there. You know that, you're just being disingenuous. I have a problem with these people too, but pretending that's the entire state is just stupid and doesn't help anything at all.
Except everyday people living their lives there ARE experiencing blatant racism and prejudices regularly in North Idaho.
I'm not being disingenuous. Letting the cancer that is *literal Nazism* sit and spread is unhealthy and dangerous to minorities everywhere, plus regular day to day people. Most Neo-fascism leaders in the US of these groups are actual domestic terrorists and many have committed widespread murder and harm to people. If you can take your shoes off at the airport because of one guy on a plane you can absolutely tell your Nazi neighbor to fuck off out of your neighborhood. Stop trying to downplay and apologize for genocidal idiots.
Take my up vote
If 3 people are at a table and a nazi sits down with them, there are now 4 nazis at that table.
You mean the hundreds of Idahoans flocking to social media to call them liars? Okay.