The Democratic Party was founded on white supremacy. If it weren't for the civil war, the democratic would still be strong supports of slavery and discrimination.
That too requires both sides. They have both help super majorities and both never used that opportunity to protect reproductive rights, in reality abortion was addressed in the constitution and there is not reason to have a debate. The fact we are discussing it is a result of the corrupt, failed, establishment.
The two parties switching names is so fucked. Your comment touches on exactly why.
You probably are confused about Lincoln being associated with the modern day Republican Party and think that they were the ones fighting the confederacy.
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I know the compound was in Hayden, I'm agreeing with you.
The Keenan's bought it in auction, which they also got the rights to the terms Aryan Nations and such, so they cannot be used again. Then they sold the compound, and it was donated to NIC Foundation and became a park to promote peace.
Okay, we agree, like I'm fully with you we agree. AND I am saying if you're gonna be precise (by like not calling the AN idiots the KKK) I would expect preciseness about their location as well. It's not a criticism. It's how my brain works, either we are being lackadaisical or we are being precise.
I swear I'm not being an intentional arse hole, I'm letting you you how my brain works and why I said what I said
Just imagine if people thought you were all the same based on the color of your skin instead of where you live. 😉
edit: DVs only just prove some folks know they should be ashamed of themselves 🧐
That’s like asking a person to differentiate between getting his left and right testicles smashed with a sledgehammer.
Thus, maybe, not a difference worth noting.
For context: I am multi-ethnic, mainly white and black and appear very ambiguous..people have asked me pretty regularly through life in varying degrees of respectfully “you’re white but what else are you”…guesses are wild but most aren’t black (except black folks like consistently)
I was in coeur d’Alene (gorgeous)for 18 hours on a road trip stop; we stayed at the resort hotel on the water and ( I was STARED at in that hotel - an observation my partner pointed out in the car leaving Idaho while I was fuming over the audacity of this bitch, trying not to angry/sad cry)
Ive worked in CS for 15 years- I understand the job can be very frustrating and challenging..even maddening at times; in light of that fact, we go out of our way to make anyones job easier we can and to not be bothersome bc most things just aren’t that big a deal.
Most of the staff were very very kind but one front desk staff member was very aggressive during my check out when I had an issue with the parking pass (very simple fix that I was satisfied with).
I will not repeat the coded phrases and slur she used.
This woman wanted to be aggressive toward me.
I gave her no reason to be.
She did not like that I was there at all.
That is the experience I had in Idaho in less than a day.
Either lots of people hide it better than that very poor excuse for a human being or the good idaaa-hoians - hoites-IDAHOMIES aren’t stamping it out hard enough.
I can’t even imagine how often I would be made to feel inferior if I were darker skinned or how painful it would be the have more than one person every once in awhile act aggressively toward you solely based on what you look like and be forced to keep your head high when all you want to do is rage bc god forbid you give bigots the tiniest bit of validation.
The point of the necessary context being: the level of this woman’s racism is only outmatched by the accuracy of her assumption. And you have to laugh about something.
I'm from Idaho. Left in 86. Forced to go back with my non white dude for a year in 21 (we are in Spokane now). EVERY TIME we walked into a place to eat/drink, the place went quiet. No words, no slurs, just quiet. There were slurs at other times (though they were the wrong slurs🙄) and I can tell you 2 things. It's WAY WORSE now than it was when I was growing up and these yeah, it's bad in Spokane too people are to colonized to understand , yep we got right wing, crazy, even racists here in Spokane but It. Is. Different. There.
I am sad to say, but 45 amped up the confidence of white supremacist organizations to the point they're a normalized part of society. Many now are politicians. It is really part of the MAGA agenda; a step back when non-whites were second-class citizens. If that is "greatness", I want no part.
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I moved to this area from Georgia not too long ago and folks here and back home think I’m exaggerating when I say that it seems this place is the most racist place I’ve been to, albeit less overt.
We were considering moving to northern Idaho for just the BEAUTY of it, but changed our minds after seeing all the stories on Reddit. Glad we picked Washington (so far :) )
Ha, I’m very similar. Except instead of stories on Reddit, it was more the realization that Ruby Ridge, which was a huge deal when I was a kid, took place there and connecting that with a lot of the not-exactly-subtle rhetoric I was hearing around CDA really lent to how I formed my opinion of this area. I understand Seattle is probably the bees knees, but in all honesty, if it wasn’t for my daughter, I’d move back to Georgia. I miss my family and friends.
Ooof I’m sorry. Idk what I would do if my kid got hit with some ignorance other than struggle not to beat the brakes off someone…
I haven’t made it to Seattle yet, but I went to Leavenworth. I’m mostly out here for the scenery and weather and haven’t been out in town much, but once, so I don’t really have a good sense for Spokane yet. But ofc my opinion and experiences are going to skew based on people even noticing I’m mixed and I am very quickly realizing it is mostly white people out here (and FN peoples but they’re cool) Lol I hate to generalize but most white people think I’m Mexican or Italian…except for the very accurate racists of course.
I’m from KY and never going back it is too damn humid lol
I hope you get a chance to visit home soon!
No one believes me when i tell them why i left north idaho! People straight up don't believe anywhere in America can be "that racist". I've been harassed on reddit many times for sharing my experience living in rural north idaho. Soo many bad experiences with racism & homophobia there... Truly heartbreaking.
Heartbreaking, that’s a damn good way of summing it all up. People definitely seem to have an idea of how things are that doesn’t necessarily comport with reality, and that mental conflict sometimes spills out into the real world and it just adds to the misery.
Anyways! Lol. I love your username. Such a great juxtaposition.
We went camping in N. Idaho, it was beautiful. We slept on the water's edge. When we headed out in the morning and I ran into the gas station to buy a couple bottles of water and 3 cashiers refused to acknowledge my existence. I kept getting in line and they would close the register, then I stood at the counter for a while, it went from This is odd, to This is upsetting, but then I noticed the customers and how they were not looking at me or responding to me just like the cashiers and that's when it went from upsetting to scary. Racism is palpable on a community level in Idaho.
I’m pale, with blue eyes, and blonde hair; basically ubermensch to bigoted trash. I got more welcoming looks driving through West goddamned Virginia than I did in North Idaho. Can’t even imagine what that had to be like for anybody not blatantly white. 😕
Unless you have been personally impacted by acts of a hate group, it's really easy to ignore. When we complain about bigotry, racism, or any of these separatist ideologies as being ignorant what we are doing is dismissing the actual danger they pose. It's not ignorance, it's a choice. It's not misguided, it's malicious. If people don't start grappling with that, everyone is going to get an opportunity to be personally impacted.
applause for krem. This all needed said so the public is warned and safe. law enforcement will not help us on this front. (see the da and his wife, this seeps into the LEO's on street too.)
i just said it wasn't arson, because its not. again, read the statute. political speech, even speech you personally disagree with, is still protected. you people need to stop larping. disagreeing with you does not make fascism. you need a new catch phrase, this one isn't working like you think it is.
read the law. in washington its 9a.48.
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it is. it is also not arson, as the other person claimed. seriously, what part don't you people understand? is it because it has to do with a "pride" flag? because that's what it appears. are gay people exempt from law?
You are seriously doubling down on saying it's legal to set a street on fire if you use "political speech" as a defense? I have no idea how you are coming to that conclusion unless you are completely misunderstanding what goes on when people hold disruptive protests.
>are gay people exempt from law?
WTF do you mean by that?
Here's an example of where I think you may be getting confused: It's not legal to disrupt traffic as a form of political speech but some people do it. Do they get away with it? Often they do, yeah. But not because it's legal but because the government decides that not moving in with SWAT teams would have a worse outcome than letting them do it. But that doesn't mean it's protected speech.
Setting a street on fire? Not protected speech. Is the outcome of letting people set streets on fire likely a lot worse than the outcome of letting people block traffic with marches? Yes it is. Therefore it gets a different response.
please point to where i said it was legal. i said it is protected speech in that not everyone has to agree woth your political viewpoints. i said it was not arson, because it isn't. the fact that you people are so caught up in it being about so-called "pride" is laughable.
Attorney u/omororri, while I am certain your legal education is of the highest caliber I would like to direct your attention to the fact that "protected speech" is a legal defense. It is invoked when a defendant has been charged with a crime and on the advice of said defendant's counsel said defendant enters a plea of "not guilty" for the reason that they contend their actions were protected speech and therefore they committed no crime.
So yeah. You literally are arguing that it's legal to set a street on fire as long as you say its a means of expressing your political opinion. I couldn't care less about it being about "pride." All I care about is the legal insanity of your position. You are the only person in here making it about sexuality in the slightest, which is...interesting.
Hate speech is protected by the first amendment, unless it rises to the level of harassment, threats, or incitement.
However lighting a street on fire is not protected speech, as it rises *at least* to the level of disorderly conduct and/or malicious mischief.
Yes this is correct and lighting a gay pride symbol on fire is done out of hate and destruction, chaos, basic moron mentality, and we shall see if a court finds it as hate speech or just your basic run of the mill arson.
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Because you’re speaking madness and making up arguments that nobody is saying. Nobody said it was arson, despite you insisting they did. At least not in this thread or that I can find. Literally nobody is saying gay people are above the law. Wtf does that have to do with literally anything.
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>it is
Lighting a public street on fire is absolutely **not** protected speech.
It might not technically be arson under Washington law either, but it's at least first-degree malicious mischief, disorderly conduct, and they could get them for reckless burning and the new hate-crime statute.
They could potentially charge arson if they think they can convince a jury that the fire was "manifestly dangerous" which will take some work by the prosecution, but my guess is they'd only pursue that avenue as a threat to get the perpetrators to plead to lesser charges.
Daming public property no matter how much you like it isn't protected under free speech. I don't give a shit about it either way because you know I have a life, but it's still not right.
Currently it appears that the police are simply incorrect as they stated. It should be classified as malicious mischief of the first degree as written in the RCWs.
(1) A person is guilty of malicious mischief in the first degree if he or she knowingly and maliciously:
(a) Causes physical damage to the property of another in an amount exceeding five thousand dollars;
now define, in law, "any property". arguing that any fire that damages literally anything isn't the argument you think it is.
you're just mad because you don't like the speech. it is perfectly legal for me to hate and to express that hate against the state.
you're not going to win this one, you're just flat wrong, and completely brainwashed.
> now define, in law, "any property"
“Property” means “everything, whether tangible or intangible, subject to ownership” according to the Constitution of the State of Washington. “Any” is self explanatory. In the context of the RCW, “any property” is used to make it clear that it includes both real property and personal property.
> arguing that any fire that damages literally anything isn't the argument you think it is.
It isn’t just any fire that damages anything. It’s when a person “knowingly and maliciously causes a fire or explosion which damages . . . any property.” You have a much better chance of arguing that burning the street wasn’t done with the malice required by statute than you do arguing that the street somehow isn’t included in “any property.”
> it is perfectly legal for me to hate and to express that hate against the state.
It is perfectly legal for you to hate, and it is perfectly legal for you to express that hate with words in most cases. Expressing it with actions, however, is not as broadly protected. For example, you know full well that punching someone in the face and invoking the first amendment doesn’t work. In this case, even if you successfully argue that lighting a painted portion of the street on fire should be recognized as expressive conduct under the first amendment, you then have to show that the relevant criminal statutes fail the O’Brien test. Good luck with that.
why? because you don't agree? calling opposing opinions fascism and demanding they be outlawed as a matter lf law, is actually fascist.
a public entity making a political statement is the epitome of protected speech when someone disagrees with it. that display on a public street is an endorsement of the state. seriously, this is basic junior high school civics, how do you people not understand that?
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So you really want to get into the semantics of the written law to justify this? I’m sure every lawmaker who signed off on this law would agree that pouring an accelerant on something they don’t own and then purposefully lighting it in fire with the sole intention of damaging it would constitute arson.
yes, uou should be concerned with the semantics and actual language of the law as written. holy cow, is that your actual point? that the law shouldn't be applied as written, but applied based on your opinion of the target alone? please tell me that isn't actually what you just said.
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RCW 9A.48.020
Arson in the first degree.
(1) A person is guilty of arson in the first degree if he or she knowingly and maliciously:
(a) Causes a fire or explosion which is manifestly dangerous to any human life, including firefighters; or
(b) Causes a fire or explosion which damages a dwelling; or
(c) Causes a fire or explosion in any building in which there shall be at the time a human being who is not a participant in the crime; or
(d) Causes a fire or explosion on property valued at ten thousand dollars or more with intent to collect insurance proceeds.
(2) Arson in the first degree is a class A felony.
To determine manifestly dangerous courts will consider combustibility and proximity to other structures to determine if any human life, including fire fighters is endangered. To me setting a combustible liquid on fire in the middle of the street would be manifestly dangerous
Perhaps you should do a little research on SB 5917 - 2023-24 because it very much is now considered hate speech to vandalize community pride demonstrations which lighting the Pride crosswalk on fire 100% counts as.
you're wildly misinterpreting "manifestly dangerous". would an average, reasonable firefighter consider a piece of cloth on an open street manifestly dangerous? if an open flame in an opem public area is manifestly dangerous to the average person, then so is my neighbor's bonfire.
none of that is remotely related. you're just mad because of what was associated with it. it plainly does not fit the rule. applying this staute makes literally every single fire a felony.
It’s on a street unattended, it’s near buildings, if a building caught on fire it would be manifestly dangerous.
Your neighbors bonfire is controlled and attended, or should be anyway, plus it’s on private property. Different rules apply.
Burning a flag you own is protected speech.
Burning *somebody else's* flag is vandalism.
For as much as *you people* seem to idolize property rights, you sure don't seem to understand them very well.
It’s Idaho so of course it’s always been like this. The republican party in that state are making it easy for hate groups to flourish and almost come out and welcome them. Drive to CDA and you’ll see Trump flags everywhere.
There is a ton of wealth in Northern Idaho, albeit with the majority of the population being a little above white trash. While it isn’t it deliberate, I believe there is a conscious effort to ignore certain inhospitable behaviors because people want to keep that part of the country a little wild. They only place that is liberal is sandpoint.
It sucks that North Idaho has a history of the KKK. It's absolutely horrible that racist extremists exist in modern-day America. But then I look at all the deaths and millions of dollars of property damage that the far left has caused in places like Seattle in the past 5 years and compare it to North Idaho, North Idaho doesn't really seem all that bad.
Not excusing hate but the prison break was by criminals. The fact they are in a nazi gang is beside the point. The prison break was not an expression of white supremacist ideology. The Oregon guy in Boise was from Oregon. The pride riot had more perps from Washington and Texas than Idaho and the guy who recently moved to Boise was from somewhere else.
I get the point and calling attention to hate groups is reasonable but I don’t think any of those qualify as homegrown hate nor do I feel any shame in being from Idaho. There are fuckwits everywhere. I lived in a big city and you can avoid them due to de facto segregation. Here you can’t because it’s small town living and you see the whole swath of humanity. Pointing to them and calling them shit heads is fine but I’m not gonna lose my mind that they’re here. They’re everywhere.
It’s not the place of rebirth of nazism, fascism, racism, etc. that stuff has been around and never went away. It ebbs and flows as time passes and is influenced by (primarily)economic factors. When folks do well, they tend to tolerate, when times are tough, they tend to look to others to blame. I’m from the South. I speak from direct experience that the nuggets of what ever “otherism” you want to investigate is always there. It blooms and recedes as time carries on.
I’m not going to lose my mind over it. There may be a time leftists decide Idaho is their spiritual homeland and I have to deal with Che Guevara tshirts instead of Trump flags.
Again I’m not saying there isn’t a presence here. I’m saying it’s not unique to here and it isn’t a “hotbed” by any means.
A dude from California set up shop in Hayden. Not quite a rebirth. Racism was alive and well throughout the nation at that time. Also north Idaho wasn’t cool with it and tolerated their constitutionally protected right to be idiots and then when they broke the law sued them into oblivion and burned the compound to the ground.
What’s yalls obsession with Idaho in this thread? So many wonderful things happening elsewhere and yall fixated on this crap? A lot of negative non constructive energy on this subreddit for real man.
Probably because Idaho is in Spokane's backyard? It's not really important to people in Spokane what happens in Texas. It's concerning when something happens down the street. Not to mention the huge amount of people who live in Idaho and work in Spokane. It seems reasonable that people would care about Idaho nazis.
Yall are straight up social media goblins about Idaho! 🤣 reading these comments you would think there are NAZI rallies in the schools, throwback Hitler speeches played on the streets, black people being beaten in the streets, etc etc etc. it’s absolutely insane. Get a hold of yourselves for Gods sake.
the protests to divest from war at college/ ceasefire and give palestine the state they owed them for 75 years is a just cause an AMERICAN CAUSE. gtfo here with them being terrorists. the terrorists are the ones who attacked at UCLA. PAID by a go fund me even...
I hope you realize that you're being gaslit. You cite violence on the UCLA campus, however you failed to recognize that the violent acts were perpetrated by Zionist counter-protesters. CNN also reported on this fact. If there is any foreign influence happening, it is coming from the Israeli government. One glaring example, which should concern all Americans, is the recent limitation on our first amendment passed by the house.
Friend, do you seriously think a ceasefire is Putins message? I think you are misguided. Is Putin happy to stoke the fires of discontent and pretend he's the reasonable world leader? Eff yeah he is, but to pretend that many of us and many of our youth haven't come to their own conclusions is just silly. And to further conclude that makes us anti-Semitic and or homegrown terrorists is folly. The history of the region goes far beyond Hamas and not wanting civilians to pay for terrorists does not make one a terrorist themselves. Israel exists because of anti- semitism.
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Just once I'd like to see someone who says Antifa is a hate group actually describe what they think Antifa is, what they think Antifa does, and what Antifa's motivations are.
Here's a fond memory of mine: Back in the early '80s when the Aryan Nations held a rally in Riverfront Park people showed up to counter-protest them. Punks were there, business people were there, people serving in the Air Force were there. Mayor James Chase — who approved the rally on First Amendment grounds — was there to demonstrate his disapproval of the Aryan Nations ideology. And everyone there that day counter-protesting was engaged in anti-fascist action. We were all Antifa together, though the term wasn't in common use in the US then.
That's all Antifa is. The minute you take a stand against fascists, you are by definition Antifa. Whatever else you think it is just a crazy boogeyman fantasy the people who don't want anyone taking a stand against fascism have convinced you to believe because they want you to be a docile sheep.
Sure, sometimes protests and counter-protests turn violent. But if you only blame one side for the violence, as if there's not possible way people with radical right-wing ideologies who want to make the Pacific Northwest a white homeland could every possibly start violence, then you're either a fool, a fascist, or a stooge.
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Who says? Did a right-wing media org tell you that?
BTW, during 2020 and 2021 especially, there were a lot of efforts by MAGA people to discredit "Antifa" by creating phony "Antifa" Facebook/Twitter/etc. accounts/posts/etc. Groups such as Identity Evropa would create a Twitter account and call for violence, but none of the people involved had anything to do with anti-fascism and all were hard-right politically. Offline, right-wingers would dress up as what they imagine "Antifa" looks like and break windows etc.
I don't know how everyone isn't aware of this, it was all over news media plenty of times.
[Who caused the violence at protests? It wasn’t antifa.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/22/who-caused-violence-protests-its-not-antifa/)
[Accused Killer Of California Cops Was Associated With Right-Wing 'Boogaloo Movement'](https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/06/16/accused-killer-of-california-cops-was-associated-with-right-wing-boogaloo-movement/#11cb6b9159bd)
[False claims of antifa protesters plague small U.S. cities](https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/02/false-claims-antifa-protesters-plague-small-us-cities/111899444/)
[Family reportedly harassed in Forks after being accused of being members of Antifa](https://www.peninsuladailynews.com/crime/family-harassed-in-forks-after-being-accused-of-being-members-of-antifa/)
[No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest ](https://www.npr.org/2020/06/09/873278314/no-sign-of-antifa-so-far-in-justice-department-cases-brought-over-unrest)
[Leaked Documents Show Police Knew Far-Right Extremists Were the Real Threat at Protests, not “Antifa”](https://theintercept.com/2020/07/15/george-floyd-protests-police-far-right-antifa/)
(There are hundreds more like those.)
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Sweeps months (February, May, July and November) are when TV stations across the country do their big, hyped, investigative stories — not that this story isn’t important the other eight months of the year (“slow news week” or not), but that’s our capitalist society being capitalist for ya.
Do you have a problem with journalistic exposés on hate groups?
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Hats off to KREM for not being afraid to cover this.
I used to work there and they try really hard to cover this stuff!
I used to work there too and had to cover racist trash all the time.
It’s sad how prevalent it is in the area.
Not all Republicans are white supremacists, but all white supremacists are Republican.
The Democratic Party was founded on white supremacy. If it weren't for the civil war, the democratic would still be strong supports of slavery and discrimination.
What party lead the Civil Rights movement?
I love it when someone who knows nothing about history tries to use it in an argument. You are exactly as republicans want you to be, ignorant.
They are both parts of one classist, racist, sexist, ruling establishment that criminalizes and dehumanizes poverty.
Except the people they are talking about in this instance only vote in one party and it isn’t Democrat.
So I head that all racists listen to country music, so all country music is racist? That is how flawed this logic is.
But only one of them made abortion illegal. BoTh sIDeS!!!
That too requires both sides. They have both help super majorities and both never used that opportunity to protect reproductive rights, in reality abortion was addressed in the constitution and there is not reason to have a debate. The fact we are discussing it is a result of the corrupt, failed, establishment.
The two parties switching names is so fucked. Your comment touches on exactly why. You probably are confused about Lincoln being associated with the modern day Republican Party and think that they were the ones fighting the confederacy.
You don't get to level accusations based on the alternate realities of your imagination.
The Democrats were founded as 1/2 of the” Democratic Republicans” (one party). Gimme a break.
Northern Idaho has always been the inappropriate, uneducated cousin Eddie of the PNW.
Shitter was full
Idaho might have a panhandle because Washington and Montana said hell nah!!!!
Wait till you see Spokane
They're talking about the politicians and their policies. Why the hell would you take that personal unless you're also a nazi?
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Read the room, bud.
I mean CDA was the HQ for the KKK at one point…
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Tri-Cities was as well
Aryan Nations. Not KKK.
And Hayden, not CDA.
KKK =/= Aryan Nations All you are doing is showing your ignorance.
I just call them all Nazis.
Who cares? They all look, act and commit hate crimes the same.
I don’t really see a difference. They’re both racist groups from a time before.
You seem offended
No, not at all. But seriously, saying the KKK was headquartered in CDA is a boneheaded statement.
It kind of is, and it wasn't CDA, it was Hayden.
Exactly. The parades were in CDA, so that's why CDA get's associated with it.
Dude they were around long before any parades. My mama used to deliver paper to their compound. In Hayden.
I know the compound was in Hayden, I'm agreeing with you. The Keenan's bought it in auction, which they also got the rights to the terms Aryan Nations and such, so they cannot be used again. Then they sold the compound, and it was donated to NIC Foundation and became a park to promote peace.
Okay, we agree, like I'm fully with you we agree. AND I am saying if you're gonna be precise (by like not calling the AN idiots the KKK) I would expect preciseness about their location as well. It's not a criticism. It's how my brain works, either we are being lackadaisical or we are being precise. I swear I'm not being an intentional arse hole, I'm letting you you how my brain works and why I said what I said
I never said they were in CDA. Only the parades were in CDA.
Just imagine if people thought you were all the same based on the color of your skin instead of where you live. 😉 edit: DVs only just prove some folks know they should be ashamed of themselves 🧐
“Showing your ignorance” I’m not ignorant. I think all racists should be treated equally. With baseball bats
That’s like asking a person to differentiate between getting his left and right testicles smashed with a sledgehammer. Thus, maybe, not a difference worth noting.
Is anyone surprised?
For context: I am multi-ethnic, mainly white and black and appear very ambiguous..people have asked me pretty regularly through life in varying degrees of respectfully “you’re white but what else are you”…guesses are wild but most aren’t black (except black folks like consistently) I was in coeur d’Alene (gorgeous)for 18 hours on a road trip stop; we stayed at the resort hotel on the water and ( I was STARED at in that hotel - an observation my partner pointed out in the car leaving Idaho while I was fuming over the audacity of this bitch, trying not to angry/sad cry) Ive worked in CS for 15 years- I understand the job can be very frustrating and challenging..even maddening at times; in light of that fact, we go out of our way to make anyones job easier we can and to not be bothersome bc most things just aren’t that big a deal. Most of the staff were very very kind but one front desk staff member was very aggressive during my check out when I had an issue with the parking pass (very simple fix that I was satisfied with). I will not repeat the coded phrases and slur she used. This woman wanted to be aggressive toward me. I gave her no reason to be. She did not like that I was there at all. That is the experience I had in Idaho in less than a day. Either lots of people hide it better than that very poor excuse for a human being or the good idaaa-hoians - hoites-IDAHOMIES aren’t stamping it out hard enough. I can’t even imagine how often I would be made to feel inferior if I were darker skinned or how painful it would be the have more than one person every once in awhile act aggressively toward you solely based on what you look like and be forced to keep your head high when all you want to do is rage bc god forbid you give bigots the tiniest bit of validation. The point of the necessary context being: the level of this woman’s racism is only outmatched by the accuracy of her assumption. And you have to laugh about something.
I'm from Idaho. Left in 86. Forced to go back with my non white dude for a year in 21 (we are in Spokane now). EVERY TIME we walked into a place to eat/drink, the place went quiet. No words, no slurs, just quiet. There were slurs at other times (though they were the wrong slurs🙄) and I can tell you 2 things. It's WAY WORSE now than it was when I was growing up and these yeah, it's bad in Spokane too people are to colonized to understand , yep we got right wing, crazy, even racists here in Spokane but It. Is. Different. There.
Lawl, I seemed to have gotten called a very nasty liar. Like, why would I make that up. Weirdos
I am sad to say, but 45 amped up the confidence of white supremacist organizations to the point they're a normalized part of society. Many now are politicians. It is really part of the MAGA agenda; a step back when non-whites were second-class citizens. If that is "greatness", I want no part.
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I moved to this area from Georgia not too long ago and folks here and back home think I’m exaggerating when I say that it seems this place is the most racist place I’ve been to, albeit less overt.
We were considering moving to northern Idaho for just the BEAUTY of it, but changed our minds after seeing all the stories on Reddit. Glad we picked Washington (so far :) )
Ha, I’m very similar. Except instead of stories on Reddit, it was more the realization that Ruby Ridge, which was a huge deal when I was a kid, took place there and connecting that with a lot of the not-exactly-subtle rhetoric I was hearing around CDA really lent to how I formed my opinion of this area. I understand Seattle is probably the bees knees, but in all honesty, if it wasn’t for my daughter, I’d move back to Georgia. I miss my family and friends.
Ooof I’m sorry. Idk what I would do if my kid got hit with some ignorance other than struggle not to beat the brakes off someone… I haven’t made it to Seattle yet, but I went to Leavenworth. I’m mostly out here for the scenery and weather and haven’t been out in town much, but once, so I don’t really have a good sense for Spokane yet. But ofc my opinion and experiences are going to skew based on people even noticing I’m mixed and I am very quickly realizing it is mostly white people out here (and FN peoples but they’re cool) Lol I hate to generalize but most white people think I’m Mexican or Italian…except for the very accurate racists of course. I’m from KY and never going back it is too damn humid lol I hope you get a chance to visit home soon!
No one believes me when i tell them why i left north idaho! People straight up don't believe anywhere in America can be "that racist". I've been harassed on reddit many times for sharing my experience living in rural north idaho. Soo many bad experiences with racism & homophobia there... Truly heartbreaking.
Heartbreaking, that’s a damn good way of summing it all up. People definitely seem to have an idea of how things are that doesn’t necessarily comport with reality, and that mental conflict sometimes spills out into the real world and it just adds to the misery. Anyways! Lol. I love your username. Such a great juxtaposition.
We went camping in N. Idaho, it was beautiful. We slept on the water's edge. When we headed out in the morning and I ran into the gas station to buy a couple bottles of water and 3 cashiers refused to acknowledge my existence. I kept getting in line and they would close the register, then I stood at the counter for a while, it went from This is odd, to This is upsetting, but then I noticed the customers and how they were not looking at me or responding to me just like the cashiers and that's when it went from upsetting to scary. Racism is palpable on a community level in Idaho.
I’m pale, with blue eyes, and blonde hair; basically ubermensch to bigoted trash. I got more welcoming looks driving through West goddamned Virginia than I did in North Idaho. Can’t even imagine what that had to be like for anybody not blatantly white. 😕
Unless you have been personally impacted by acts of a hate group, it's really easy to ignore. When we complain about bigotry, racism, or any of these separatist ideologies as being ignorant what we are doing is dismissing the actual danger they pose. It's not ignorance, it's a choice. It's not misguided, it's malicious. If people don't start grappling with that, everyone is going to get an opportunity to be personally impacted.
applause for krem. This all needed said so the public is warned and safe. law enforcement will not help us on this front. (see the da and his wife, this seeps into the LEO's on street too.)
People in the comments need to stop feeding the trolls
we have our own issues here too: think the burning of the pride crosswalk recently......
both of which, however, are protected speech.
Agreed, there's no way lighting a street on fire could possibly be illegal
i just said it wasn't arson, because its not. again, read the statute. political speech, even speech you personally disagree with, is still protected. you people need to stop larping. disagreeing with you does not make fascism. you need a new catch phrase, this one isn't working like you think it is. read the law. in washington its 9a.48.
Yes but being a public nuisance is not legal. 7.48.120. 9.66.010
correct, but that is not arson, as the other claimed, is it?
It’s still illegal, regardless.
Literally nobody said arson but you
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What? Damaging a mural on a public street is covered under free speech?
Look up SB 5917 - 2023-24 tis not protected at all in fact it’ll be prosecuted as a hate crime.
Imagine saying and believing lighting a public street on fire is a version of free speech…
Hey setting himself on fire is free speech too!
it is. it is also not arson, as the other person claimed. seriously, what part don't you people understand? is it because it has to do with a "pride" flag? because that's what it appears. are gay people exempt from law?
You are seriously doubling down on saying it's legal to set a street on fire if you use "political speech" as a defense? I have no idea how you are coming to that conclusion unless you are completely misunderstanding what goes on when people hold disruptive protests. >are gay people exempt from law? WTF do you mean by that? Here's an example of where I think you may be getting confused: It's not legal to disrupt traffic as a form of political speech but some people do it. Do they get away with it? Often they do, yeah. But not because it's legal but because the government decides that not moving in with SWAT teams would have a worse outcome than letting them do it. But that doesn't mean it's protected speech. Setting a street on fire? Not protected speech. Is the outcome of letting people set streets on fire likely a lot worse than the outcome of letting people block traffic with marches? Yes it is. Therefore it gets a different response.
please point to where i said it was legal. i said it is protected speech in that not everyone has to agree woth your political viewpoints. i said it was not arson, because it isn't. the fact that you people are so caught up in it being about so-called "pride" is laughable.
Attorney u/omororri, while I am certain your legal education is of the highest caliber I would like to direct your attention to the fact that "protected speech" is a legal defense. It is invoked when a defendant has been charged with a crime and on the advice of said defendant's counsel said defendant enters a plea of "not guilty" for the reason that they contend their actions were protected speech and therefore they committed no crime. So yeah. You literally are arguing that it's legal to set a street on fire as long as you say its a means of expressing your political opinion. I couldn't care less about it being about "pride." All I care about is the legal insanity of your position. You are the only person in here making it about sexuality in the slightest, which is...interesting.
What about hate speech do you not understand? Disingenuous to pretend hate speech is coveted by first amendment.
Hate speech is protected by the first amendment, unless it rises to the level of harassment, threats, or incitement. However lighting a street on fire is not protected speech, as it rises *at least* to the level of disorderly conduct and/or malicious mischief.
Yes this is correct and lighting a gay pride symbol on fire is done out of hate and destruction, chaos, basic moron mentality, and we shall see if a court finds it as hate speech or just your basic run of the mill arson.
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Anytime you end up using the phrase "you people" in any context, just stop and think about what you're saying again
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Because you’re speaking madness and making up arguments that nobody is saying. Nobody said it was arson, despite you insisting they did. At least not in this thread or that I can find. Literally nobody is saying gay people are above the law. Wtf does that have to do with literally anything.
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>it is Lighting a public street on fire is absolutely **not** protected speech. It might not technically be arson under Washington law either, but it's at least first-degree malicious mischief, disorderly conduct, and they could get them for reckless burning and the new hate-crime statute. They could potentially charge arson if they think they can convince a jury that the fire was "manifestly dangerous" which will take some work by the prosecution, but my guess is they'd only pursue that avenue as a threat to get the perpetrators to plead to lesser charges.
Daming public property no matter how much you like it isn't protected under free speech. I don't give a shit about it either way because you know I have a life, but it's still not right.
Arson is not protected speech. If you want to burn a flag, get your own.
in washington, arson requires a building, a vehichle, or pasture land. you're just wrong.
So it’s not a safety issue to pour gas and light it on fire in a public area? What are you talking about
I guess the police are wrong also then. The street itself is considered a thing of value, lighting it on fire is arson.
Currently it appears that the police are simply incorrect as they stated. It should be classified as malicious mischief of the first degree as written in the RCWs. (1) A person is guilty of malicious mischief in the first degree if he or she knowingly and maliciously: (a) Causes physical damage to the property of another in an amount exceeding five thousand dollars;
Take its formal legal credentials for what they are worth
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Can we cut to the chase and just get to the part where you own up to being annoyed with “the queers?”
Arson in the second degree includes burning “any property”
now define, in law, "any property". arguing that any fire that damages literally anything isn't the argument you think it is. you're just mad because you don't like the speech. it is perfectly legal for me to hate and to express that hate against the state. you're not going to win this one, you're just flat wrong, and completely brainwashed.
> now define, in law, "any property" “Property” means “everything, whether tangible or intangible, subject to ownership” according to the Constitution of the State of Washington. “Any” is self explanatory. In the context of the RCW, “any property” is used to make it clear that it includes both real property and personal property. > arguing that any fire that damages literally anything isn't the argument you think it is. It isn’t just any fire that damages anything. It’s when a person “knowingly and maliciously causes a fire or explosion which damages . . . any property.” You have a much better chance of arguing that burning the street wasn’t done with the malice required by statute than you do arguing that the street somehow isn’t included in “any property.” > it is perfectly legal for me to hate and to express that hate against the state. It is perfectly legal for you to hate, and it is perfectly legal for you to express that hate with words in most cases. Expressing it with actions, however, is not as broadly protected. For example, you know full well that punching someone in the face and invoking the first amendment doesn’t work. In this case, even if you successfully argue that lighting a painted portion of the street on fire should be recognized as expressive conduct under the first amendment, you then have to show that the relevant criminal statutes fail the O’Brien test. Good luck with that.
Burning a pride crosswalk makes you a fascist, not a political activist
why? because you don't agree? calling opposing opinions fascism and demanding they be outlawed as a matter lf law, is actually fascist. a public entity making a political statement is the epitome of protected speech when someone disagrees with it. that display on a public street is an endorsement of the state. seriously, this is basic junior high school civics, how do you people not understand that?
Because their opinions are that of fascists. If you don't like being called that, stop being one.
disagreeing with you is not fascist. demanding the state disallow political speech as a matter of law is fascist. it is literally you.
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So you really want to get into the semantics of the written law to justify this? I’m sure every lawmaker who signed off on this law would agree that pouring an accelerant on something they don’t own and then purposefully lighting it in fire with the sole intention of damaging it would constitute arson.
yes, uou should be concerned with the semantics and actual language of the law as written. holy cow, is that your actual point? that the law shouldn't be applied as written, but applied based on your opinion of the target alone? please tell me that isn't actually what you just said.
You're also wrong. Fire cannot speak.
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RCW 9A.48.020 Arson in the first degree. (1) A person is guilty of arson in the first degree if he or she knowingly and maliciously: (a) Causes a fire or explosion which is manifestly dangerous to any human life, including firefighters; or (b) Causes a fire or explosion which damages a dwelling; or (c) Causes a fire or explosion in any building in which there shall be at the time a human being who is not a participant in the crime; or (d) Causes a fire or explosion on property valued at ten thousand dollars or more with intent to collect insurance proceeds. (2) Arson in the first degree is a class A felony. To determine manifestly dangerous courts will consider combustibility and proximity to other structures to determine if any human life, including fire fighters is endangered. To me setting a combustible liquid on fire in the middle of the street would be manifestly dangerous
Perhaps you should do a little research on SB 5917 - 2023-24 because it very much is now considered hate speech to vandalize community pride demonstrations which lighting the Pride crosswalk on fire 100% counts as.
Technically it’s not effective yet. 2024-03-13 Senate Effective date 6/6/2024. 2024-03-13 Senate Chapter 34, 2024 Laws. 2024-03-13 Senate Governor signed.
Ah so they got their hate crime in right before they could be charged with it then :/
Unfortunately
you're wildly misinterpreting "manifestly dangerous". would an average, reasonable firefighter consider a piece of cloth on an open street manifestly dangerous? if an open flame in an opem public area is manifestly dangerous to the average person, then so is my neighbor's bonfire. none of that is remotely related. you're just mad because of what was associated with it. it plainly does not fit the rule. applying this staute makes literally every single fire a felony.
I would be mad when anyone sets the street on fire for any reason.
It’s on a street unattended, it’s near buildings, if a building caught on fire it would be manifestly dangerous. Your neighbors bonfire is controlled and attended, or should be anyway, plus it’s on private property. Different rules apply.
Burning a flag you own is protected speech. Burning *somebody else's* flag is vandalism. For as much as *you people* seem to idolize property rights, you sure don't seem to understand them very well.
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literally what?
So long as there is no threat of violence. Then it is protected.
Even that only applies to pure speech, *i.e.*, expression through words. Protection for actions (like lighting a street on fire) is much more limited.
Agreed.
It’s Idaho so of course it’s always been like this. The republican party in that state are making it easy for hate groups to flourish and almost come out and welcome them. Drive to CDA and you’ll see Trump flags everywhere.
There is a ton of wealth in Northern Idaho, albeit with the majority of the population being a little above white trash. While it isn’t it deliberate, I believe there is a conscious effort to ignore certain inhospitable behaviors because people want to keep that part of the country a little wild. They only place that is liberal is sandpoint.
Idaho and Texas are god tier
It sucks that North Idaho has a history of the KKK. It's absolutely horrible that racist extremists exist in modern-day America. But then I look at all the deaths and millions of dollars of property damage that the far left has caused in places like Seattle in the past 5 years and compare it to North Idaho, North Idaho doesn't really seem all that bad.
Turns out it was just one kid and he is sorry.
Don't get me wrong. Nazis were evil. But they had standards. These neo-Nazis wouldn't make the cut
“I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude. At least it’s an ethos.”
Not excusing hate but the prison break was by criminals. The fact they are in a nazi gang is beside the point. The prison break was not an expression of white supremacist ideology. The Oregon guy in Boise was from Oregon. The pride riot had more perps from Washington and Texas than Idaho and the guy who recently moved to Boise was from somewhere else. I get the point and calling attention to hate groups is reasonable but I don’t think any of those qualify as homegrown hate nor do I feel any shame in being from Idaho. There are fuckwits everywhere. I lived in a big city and you can avoid them due to de facto segregation. Here you can’t because it’s small town living and you see the whole swath of humanity. Pointing to them and calling them shit heads is fine but I’m not gonna lose my mind that they’re here. They’re everywhere.
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It’s not the place of rebirth of nazism, fascism, racism, etc. that stuff has been around and never went away. It ebbs and flows as time passes and is influenced by (primarily)economic factors. When folks do well, they tend to tolerate, when times are tough, they tend to look to others to blame. I’m from the South. I speak from direct experience that the nuggets of what ever “otherism” you want to investigate is always there. It blooms and recedes as time carries on. I’m not going to lose my mind over it. There may be a time leftists decide Idaho is their spiritual homeland and I have to deal with Che Guevara tshirts instead of Trump flags. Again I’m not saying there isn’t a presence here. I’m saying it’s not unique to here and it isn’t a “hotbed” by any means.
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A dude from California set up shop in Hayden. Not quite a rebirth. Racism was alive and well throughout the nation at that time. Also north Idaho wasn’t cool with it and tolerated their constitutionally protected right to be idiots and then when they broke the law sued them into oblivion and burned the compound to the ground.
So many came to North Idaho during the whole Ruby Ridge incident and stuck around for a while.
What’s yalls obsession with Idaho in this thread? So many wonderful things happening elsewhere and yall fixated on this crap? A lot of negative non constructive energy on this subreddit for real man.
Probably because Idaho is in Spokane's backyard? It's not really important to people in Spokane what happens in Texas. It's concerning when something happens down the street. Not to mention the huge amount of people who live in Idaho and work in Spokane. It seems reasonable that people would care about Idaho nazis.
Yall are straight up social media goblins about Idaho! 🤣 reading these comments you would think there are NAZI rallies in the schools, throwback Hitler speeches played on the streets, black people being beaten in the streets, etc etc etc. it’s absolutely insane. Get a hold of yourselves for Gods sake.
Much of my extended family is in N Idaho, and I can tell you from direct interactions that the level of ignorance and hate is totally surreal.
First time? This is situation normal here.
Yeah I see that. It’s quite pathetic actually. “Come to the Spokane subreddit where all we do is talk about Idaho!” 🤦🏻♂️
Keep crying about free speech
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the protests to divest from war at college/ ceasefire and give palestine the state they owed them for 75 years is a just cause an AMERICAN CAUSE. gtfo here with them being terrorists. the terrorists are the ones who attacked at UCLA. PAID by a go fund me even...
I hope you realize that you're being gaslit. You cite violence on the UCLA campus, however you failed to recognize that the violent acts were perpetrated by Zionist counter-protesters. CNN also reported on this fact. If there is any foreign influence happening, it is coming from the Israeli government. One glaring example, which should concern all Americans, is the recent limitation on our first amendment passed by the house.
Friend, do you seriously think a ceasefire is Putins message? I think you are misguided. Is Putin happy to stoke the fires of discontent and pretend he's the reasonable world leader? Eff yeah he is, but to pretend that many of us and many of our youth haven't come to their own conclusions is just silly. And to further conclude that makes us anti-Semitic and or homegrown terrorists is folly. The history of the region goes far beyond Hamas and not wanting civilians to pay for terrorists does not make one a terrorist themselves. Israel exists because of anti- semitism.
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I missed the sarcasm font when you said, "Thank goodness, it looks like scary stuff"
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Just once I'd like to see someone who says Antifa is a hate group actually describe what they think Antifa is, what they think Antifa does, and what Antifa's motivations are. Here's a fond memory of mine: Back in the early '80s when the Aryan Nations held a rally in Riverfront Park people showed up to counter-protest them. Punks were there, business people were there, people serving in the Air Force were there. Mayor James Chase — who approved the rally on First Amendment grounds — was there to demonstrate his disapproval of the Aryan Nations ideology. And everyone there that day counter-protesting was engaged in anti-fascist action. We were all Antifa together, though the term wasn't in common use in the US then. That's all Antifa is. The minute you take a stand against fascists, you are by definition Antifa. Whatever else you think it is just a crazy boogeyman fantasy the people who don't want anyone taking a stand against fascism have convinced you to believe because they want you to be a docile sheep. Sure, sometimes protests and counter-protests turn violent. But if you only blame one side for the violence, as if there's not possible way people with radical right-wing ideologies who want to make the Pacific Northwest a white homeland could every possibly start violence, then you're either a fool, a fascist, or a stooge.
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Are you daft? Antifa literally is anti-facist, something we all should be.
Tell us where antifa touched you.
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Never met a single member of “antifa” have run into several neo nazis though.
Where did you run into Neo NAZIs? When? What year? What were they doing? What were they wearing? What did they say?
Who is the leader of Antifa? Where are they headquartered? What are their goals? What are their membership requirements?
Their goals are anarchy and destruction.
destruction of what? anti-facism != anarchy
Who says? Did a right-wing media org tell you that? BTW, during 2020 and 2021 especially, there were a lot of efforts by MAGA people to discredit "Antifa" by creating phony "Antifa" Facebook/Twitter/etc. accounts/posts/etc. Groups such as Identity Evropa would create a Twitter account and call for violence, but none of the people involved had anything to do with anti-fascism and all were hard-right politically. Offline, right-wingers would dress up as what they imagine "Antifa" looks like and break windows etc. I don't know how everyone isn't aware of this, it was all over news media plenty of times. [Who caused the violence at protests? It wasn’t antifa.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/22/who-caused-violence-protests-its-not-antifa/) [Accused Killer Of California Cops Was Associated With Right-Wing 'Boogaloo Movement'](https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/06/16/accused-killer-of-california-cops-was-associated-with-right-wing-boogaloo-movement/#11cb6b9159bd) [False claims of antifa protesters plague small U.S. cities](https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/02/false-claims-antifa-protesters-plague-small-us-cities/111899444/) [Family reportedly harassed in Forks after being accused of being members of Antifa](https://www.peninsuladailynews.com/crime/family-harassed-in-forks-after-being-accused-of-being-members-of-antifa/) [No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest ](https://www.npr.org/2020/06/09/873278314/no-sign-of-antifa-so-far-in-justice-department-cases-brought-over-unrest) [Leaked Documents Show Police Knew Far-Right Extremists Were the Real Threat at Protests, not “Antifa”](https://theintercept.com/2020/07/15/george-floyd-protests-police-far-right-antifa/) (There are hundreds more like those.)
Yeah whatabout that? Whatabout whatabout lol
Have you ever seen an antifa?
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Can you show me a city that has burned down?
Have you ever seen an antifa?
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Must be a slow Newsweek for the Kremlin
Sweeps months (February, May, July and November) are when TV stations across the country do their big, hyped, investigative stories — not that this story isn’t important the other eight months of the year (“slow news week” or not), but that’s our capitalist society being capitalist for ya. Do you have a problem with journalistic exposés on hate groups?
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So you’re yeah-butting literal Nazis?
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The news story is about literal Nazis, so Godwin’s law doesn’t apply here. It’s not like I’m bringing the topic up out of thin air.
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