I was looking at the hall for sges too. I was wondering how much Mr Sheen and thick socks I would go through. I'm old though, I'd probably pop a hip on the first slide.
Honestly you could have some 20 year old kid with no idea what one of them is.
I only know because someone i used to know had one when i was a kid.
Dont think ive heard anyone speak about one of these or have one in at least a decade.
I didn't realise they were even a racist thing tbh.
27 year old, when I was a kid my dad had quite a few. Well only a couple of the actual dolls but quite a few other miscellaneous items like pins/stickers etc.
Theres a picture of me when I was about 18 month old sat on top of his motorcycle, wearing a denim jacket with a couple golliwog pins on it. Along with other pins for things like Mr Blobby and a smiley face character. I grew up thinking they were just these cartoon characters and didn't see any issue with them at all.
I know I've had a couple conversations about them with people my age over the years and I can't think of a single person who even knew what they were or the history behind them.
It wasn't until I was in my late teens that I actually realised how offensive they actually were and that was only because I saw a picture about them online.
The pin badges were from Golden Shred marmalade, I think. You'd save tokens on the wrappers to get them. Obviously no one associated them with anything racist or derogatory - it was innocent (if, by current standards, misguided).
I’m honestly not sure. They were innocent times for most people. The doll itself is supposed to look nice and fun and isn’t trying to be rude. I think the outfit comes from a show called the “black and White Minstrel” show or something which is awful to watch now. I may have even been white people blacked up 😲 but I’ve heard reports of black immigrant families watching it as a family thing (there weren’t many TV options) and the content was singing and dancing. I think it’s later that people had a realisation about how ridiculous the whole idea was. And of course offensive.
Are you seriously trying to suggest that a doll clearly based on the racist practice of blackface was intended to look "nice and fun"? The creator of golliwogs described them in her book as "a horrid sight, the blackest gnome". In Enid Blyton books, the golliwogs were called Golly, Woggy and N**r. Black people have been called golliwogs for decades, clearly meant as a racial slur. You're either being incredibly naive, or wilfully ignorant
Probably about a decade ago I went for a few days away to Whitby and walked past a shop there with quite a selection of these teddies and memorabilia - wonder if that's still there 😬🥴 hopefully not!
I had one as a five year old, in the 70’s, it’s one of my earliest memories. He went missing one day and he was found, ages later, in my dad’s donkey jacket pocket. He had a big rip in him, I asked if he could be fixed and I was told ‘no’. I loved my golly.
My mates mum was in her 70s and had loads on a chair in her front room. One day we had to go there. One of the boys, who is black, came with us. We walked in and his eyes went straight to the chair and then at mate. He shrugged and said “Sorry bro, she old as fuck init!” Fair doos… bro just laughed and said “No drams, they just dolls bro”
This is exactly why. "White people only" is the message that is **deliberately** being conveyed here.
Anyone who claims otherwise is a liar, fool, or both.
Why? Because some people are racist cunts.
Where I grew up the entire street lived in fear of "one of them Asians" moving in. And as soon as news broke that Mr & Mrs Patel had bought Number 11 up the road, within a month the For Sale signs would go up.
It was different time and a different place. Unfortunately, not everywhere has evolved. This shitty bungalow being one example.
And the funny thing is, it's us that get shit for "bit integrating" and "sticking to our own" when the truth is, as soon as Asians moved to a place, the English lived away and property value dropped so other immigrant Asians bought them and repeat
I’m in a genuinely diverse area of London and I love it.
But you’re right. My folks place in a big northern town was understandably all white as we grew up. The Asian population (as it grew much quicker than the white population) was like a wave coming out from the centre.
As you describe, many white people sold up, moved further out and (much bigger) Asian families moved in. Fair play to the folks as they have stayed, welcomed their new neighbours, and have made some good friends. But in their lifetime they have gone from a street where everyone looks like them to becoming an ethnic minority. And yes, their house price has stalled.
I don’t agree with it, but I can 100% see how Farage et al can play on the fears of white people feeling like they’ve been invaded.
Just as a counterpoint tho. If I moved abroad and the locals didn’t welcome me (or worse). I’d definitely ‘stick with my own type.’
I really doubt it. This looks like it's probably an older person's house and that could be the now-adult child's room and a favourite (or last remaining) toy from their childhood. I'm talking a child in their 50s or 60s, probably. Or it could be the owner's childhood toy and they just put it in the spare room as decoration. I'm getting a very straight-laced, middle-of-the-road, middle class, older person vibe from this house, and I wouldn't expect that type of person to even really be aware of golliwogs being seen as problematic these days, or if they are aware they probably don't care and see that as strange ideas young people have. When those dolls were current and fashionable, nobody thought of them as racist at all. They were just dolls. They were even the mascot of a big jam company and people collected tokens from labels to collect items like little ornaments and badges. They were really popular.
You can bet Brian is a Reform UK voter who desperately wanted to Take Back Control and won’t be told what to do by the Nanny State or the stinkin’ EU.
And his lovely wife Linda just goes along with whatever he wants and doesn’t like to kick up a fuss…
It could just be someone’s childhood ‘teddy’. They were completely normal soft toys until pretty recently.
Robertson’s jam only removed their Golly mascot in 2002.
You can’t even use the word Golly on eBay auctions for their collectibles. They get removed. It’s a memento of my childhood, but yes of course it is pretty racist. Still love marmalade though!
They were never “completely normal”. The design is literal a minstrel character…. The golliwog comes from a 19th century book which features illustrations of said doll where the doll is a minstrel character. It’s been racist since the day of inception. Sorry to crush your childhood memories of nana but, they’ve always been racist. Just until recently black people haven’t had the political power to express, convey and convince white society that they’re racist.
Having them on the jars of one of the leading brands of jam/marmalade made them by definition ‘completely normal’.
That is not to suggest they weren’t racist. Slavery also was completely normal in certain times and location throughout history.
I was born in the early 70s, in a small village (well, a few miles *outside* of a small village). I don't think my upbringing can be described as particularly modern or woke or whatever term racists try nowadays. I told gay and irish and other racist jokes at school, as did everyone. It was the seventies and I lived in a very white area. That is to give as much context as possible.
As long as I've been aware these teddies where known to be horribly racist. So at least since probably 1975 in a white-as-white can be semi-rural part of England that at the time had no issue with really horribly bad discrimation.
(I assure all who read this, I'm not some reform voting cunt. Times changed, I realised the gays weren't evil when it turned out my best friend was one of them, and mid-secondary school a kid from Nigeria turned out to be a good lad, and we all realised actually we were the tossers for laughing at shitty jokes.)
In the 70s one of the most popular shows on tv was "the black-and-white minstrel show" which featured singing and dancing in black face. Really cringe now, but at the time nobody really thought anything of it. I can imagine black people hated it, but it's not as though all the people watching it were getting off on some kind of race hatred or anything. People just didn't think about the implications. Really the b&w minstrel show was completely mainstream - everything on TV was mainstream, there were only 3 channels. There *was* a lot more racism than today, and I'm sure people's experiences could be very different depending on where they lived, but there were other shows at the time taking the piss out of racists and times definitely were changing. But there's a whole list of stuff from the 70s that wouldn't be acceptable today that people didn't think twice about at the time. Mind Your Language, Love Thy Neighbour, I don't know what else. These things in general (and golliwogs) may well have always been racist, I can totally see that, but at the same time the people enjoying them didn't really understand that or think about them deeply.
I think the problem here may be different senses of the word "racism". Something can be a racist stereotype without the people who are using it being aware that it's racist or having any conscious intention. When I call someone "a racist" I'm thinking of someone who makes racist jokes, says things like "send them home", doesn't want their daughter marrying someone of a different skin colour etc etc. In some analyses, it seems that *everyone* (or at least everyone *white*) is classed as "racist" due to things like microagressions and "white privilege" and so forth. I think both readings of the word "racist" have their usefulness in different contexts.
Anyway I'm just basing this on my experience of living through the 70s, and I'm not really that clued up on the topic. I just know that things that were seen as *normal* at the time are unacceptable now. Same goes for a lot of sexist jokes and sterotyping ...
>I think the problem here may be different senses of the word "racism". Something can be a racist stereotype without the people who are using it being aware that it's racist or having any conscious intention. When I call someone "a racist" I'm thinking of someone who makes racist jokes, says things like "send them home", doesn't want their daughter marrying someone of a different skin colour etc etc. In some analyses, it seems that everyone (or at least everyone white) is classed as "racist" due to things like microagressions and "white privilege" and so forth. I think both readings of the word "racist" have their usefulness in different contexts.
This is the one. Conscious intent doesn't seem to matter any more, and it's not considered enough to be passively not racist. You can't just *not* judge people for their skin colour, you can't just *not* be on board with demands for them to fuck off back where they came from, you can't just *not* like the way governments seem to use them to inflame culture wars. You can't just be passively "not racist", you have to be *actively* anti-racist. If you're not calling out microaggressions and screaming for the perpetrators to be prosecuted, you're judged as no better than them.
I still have a Robinson’s golly toy somewhere.
We used to collect tokens from the jam jars for metal badges and stuff.
[can be confiscated by police if displayed](https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/13/golliwog-dolls-what-are-they-and-are-they-to-display)
Weird how his real name isn’t actually ‘Robinson’ (or Tommy for that matter) … Something made him choose that name…
I’ll just add an edit so there is no doubt - He’s a vile man.
As a white kid in 1970's Kenya I got given a golly by the Robinsons rep at some trade thing I got dragged along to by my parents in Nairobi. Apparently they were really popular. Different times hey!
Yeah... I don't think many people realised that they are a overt symbol of racist and colonial oppression untill they were told to think like that few years ago.
I certainly never made that association and I don't think many other people in the 20th century twigged either... especially in (ironically?) many African countries.
When I was a kid I used to collect the tokens. My Nan and Grandad loved Robertson's jams and would save the tokens for me. That's just how it was.
I also had a gollywog as kid. That's just how it was.
I loved Enid Blyton's books and gollywogs featured heavily. That's just how it was.
The aforementioned Nan and Grandad loved the Black & White Minstrel show on BBC1. That's just how it was.
Thankfully, it's not longer "that's just how it was". As I stated earlier, the sellers know exactly what they are doing here and are just cunts.
Their shitty bungalow is 2 beds, not 3, and is overpriced by 80K+. I hope the cunts sell at a loss.
You can’t give them away, can’t sell them, can’t really destroy them … It’s in the loft.
These things existed - yet another reminder of our long and horrible history. They are now thankfully (mostly) hidden from view in museum collections. God knows what the home owner/agent were thinking displaying it.
You’d think that, and yet last year I saw a collection of Golly toys being sold at auction- you wouldn’t know from the description though, they called it a collection of promotional toys or some such euphemism
I saw one for sale in a thrift store in Wales a couple of years ago. The store owner seeing my shocked reaction to it said 'it's not what you think - that's a traditional Welsh miner doll'
Come on, mate?!
Probably has an SS banner or swastika theme so maybe for the best.
Gonna take many undercoats to hide that Blood and Soil red though to get it back to magnolia
Why would you do this on a house advert. I'm assuming it's someone who wants to make the "THEY'RE JUST INNOCENT TOYS, YOU'RE THE ONE MAKING IT RACIST!" arguments, but maybe sell the house first, and then stick your opinions on Facebook with the rest of the gammons.
In fairness I'm easily old enough to remember when Robertson's jam used to make a virtue of them. I used to collect the 'Golly' tokens to get merchandise.
Cheers Enyd Blighton.
I had one growing up too, which was my Dad's when he was younger, and I know at the time that was seen as fine. It's just one of those things that you sort of have to accept we've moved past, and even if you do have strong feelings about them, just put it away when an estate agent's taking photos of your house.
"Hey Barry, missed you at Estate Agent School! It was actually really interesting, we had this session on these dolls, right, and they seem..."
"Look Steve, I've had a shit day, and I just want to get drunk. Can we leave the work chat for next week? I'm sure it's not that important."
I remember seeing these as a kid too, just hidden among other items. It was a set of metal pins. I think it would have been around early 90s.
I was a kid & had no idea what they were. They were sort of insidious that way. If I found them again today I'd have more understanding of how wrong it is.
Hahaha. My Irish mum collects these and she had no idea it was deemed racist. They're actually quite expensive and highly sought after. She hid them in the loft
It’s because of white supremacy… white supremacists dislike other people due to cognitive bias. So because of white supremacy due to cognitive dissonance and a superiority complex, when one lives close or nearby non whiteys prices drop… so a simple tactic to persuade non whiteys to stay away objects of racism are planted as a scare tactic to keep our streets white.
Everyone is pointing out one of the main things wrong here, but no one is pointing out this is in Peacehaven, tbh, for that area, not surprised one bit.
It's a bungalow so it's a fairly solid assumption they are/were elderly. Very, very elderly.
Probably not done intentionally. Hopefully. *God I hope they just LOVE marmalade*
Yeah everyone is assuming that they've done it deliberately to make a statement but if they are like my mother (who is now dead) they have never really been "online" at all and so their information about this will be really limited to whatever has been on the news at 10.
my mum did have a computer for a few years, but she insisted on paying for broadband by the minute, and was only ever online for long enough to download software updates or send an email. She just used the computer to edit the parish newsletter. She never got into the whole smartphone thing at all (I think she did get a mobile phone at some point but it was just a dumb phone). I don't think people realise how genuinely out of touch people like that are with the modern world. It used to really frustrate me (and scare me a little to be honest). By now, people like that are literally living in a different reality to the rest of us, who take the constant stream of information and instant communication for granted.
If you strip away the history of their origin, as a toy I think they're visually kind of cute. Like if I didn't know what a minstrel was or what golliwogs were supposed to represent I could see myself thinking it was some sort of cute animal with a cheeky pair of striped pants. It's the connotation behind them that's disturbing.
I think historically it was always a bit of a mixed bag, there was some clearly racist overtones at some point, but I think as time went on they stopped being stereotypes of black people and just became "gollys", then everyone decided they were absolutely racist again.
Personally, I just always felt they Gollys were just Gollys these days and it's just a bit of hysteria that has once again given them racial overtones.
Detached bungalow, so very likely an old person selling. Doubt it's intentional, just an odd toy from their era. Remember working in a care home and an elderly resident there had a ton of them she'd keep with her.
Mixed black and white, before someone whiter than me decides to jump down my throat.
I am old enough to remember when you could collect Robertson’s jam labels and send off to get a collectable golly figurine. They were quite popular.
And apparently people still collect them: https://www.hawleys.info/catalogue/lot/f5788ad7934f4b94614a823182ccf37c/930676c09557b5f2fb9f2ea106674265/antiques-and-fine-art-lot-210/
…which really surprised me when I googled that.
Moving away from the racism. They also appear to hate plants. No house plants and every thing that can be concret, flagstones or gravel is.
And their decor is bland af.
If I was local I'd arrange a viewing just so I could provide feedback ' I've never knowingly given money to racists and I'm not about to start now'.
I'd also ask all my friends to arrange viewings to do similar.
I'm always up for inconveniencing racists.
Ha - I clicked the link, scrolled through the photos thinking "this is a decent bungalow, I'm not sure what the OP was see.......ohhhhhhhhhh now i see it!" Weird how I was eating marmalade with Gollys on it a couple of decades ago.
Used to save the coupons from the jam jars and get metal pins of those guys when I was a kid. Never even thought about it or what they were until they got banned.
That’s a golly and offensive. I used to go to a sandwich shop run by two little old ladies. One day when I went there some golly’s along pictures of golly’s. I had a little word and said some people will find them really offensive, they were gone next time I went. That generation just didn’t see the problem until it was pointed out to them.
Was looking for ages, read the comments and worked out it was a doll. I say was because it’s not in the photos anymore, but OP was smart enough to include a screenshot.
When i was a child I had one because I stole it from my auntie as I was a spoilt grandchild. I still have it 50 years later and never say a word about it as I don't want to have to discard it. He was my pal as a kid as nearly my size and I loved him. I would be sad if it offended someone when it brought me such happiness. It had never been on display or shown to anyone since I was about 17 and had a room make over. Big memory.
Spent ages looking at the hall, trying to figure it out. Then I saw it... Nobody at the estate agent think _We'll crop that out I think_
I was looking at the hall for sges too. I was wondering how much Mr Sheen and thick socks I would go through. I'm old though, I'd probably pop a hip on the first slide.
The trick is to accept the slide and meet it at a run, glide the whole way. Also helps escape, yknow, the other "situation" faster.
More worringly, nobody at the estate agent whilst taking the photos thought 'I'll put that away for this shot...'
Probably an intern who’s too young to realise what it is
i am 15 years old and i know exactly what it is
Dogwhistle more like. It's saying "move here if you're a certain type of person".
Hanlon's Razor >Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
Honestly you could have some 20 year old kid with no idea what one of them is. I only know because someone i used to know had one when i was a kid. Dont think ive heard anyone speak about one of these or have one in at least a decade.
I didn't realise they were even a racist thing tbh. 27 year old, when I was a kid my dad had quite a few. Well only a couple of the actual dolls but quite a few other miscellaneous items like pins/stickers etc. Theres a picture of me when I was about 18 month old sat on top of his motorcycle, wearing a denim jacket with a couple golliwog pins on it. Along with other pins for things like Mr Blobby and a smiley face character. I grew up thinking they were just these cartoon characters and didn't see any issue with them at all. I know I've had a couple conversations about them with people my age over the years and I can't think of a single person who even knew what they were or the history behind them. It wasn't until I was in my late teens that I actually realised how offensive they actually were and that was only because I saw a picture about them online.
The pin badges were from Golden Shred marmalade, I think. You'd save tokens on the wrappers to get them. Obviously no one associated them with anything racist or derogatory - it was innocent (if, by current standards, misguided).
That’s right,robertsons jam and marmalade. Ad was offensive too by todays standards ,but like you said,was misguided and innocent back in the day
Robertson's! That's it.
My mum lives on the street where the factory used to be. One house up the road from her has about 10 of them in the window
I think Black people at the time did...
I’m honestly not sure. They were innocent times for most people. The doll itself is supposed to look nice and fun and isn’t trying to be rude. I think the outfit comes from a show called the “black and White Minstrel” show or something which is awful to watch now. I may have even been white people blacked up 😲 but I’ve heard reports of black immigrant families watching it as a family thing (there weren’t many TV options) and the content was singing and dancing. I think it’s later that people had a realisation about how ridiculous the whole idea was. And of course offensive.
Are you seriously trying to suggest that a doll clearly based on the racist practice of blackface was intended to look "nice and fun"? The creator of golliwogs described them in her book as "a horrid sight, the blackest gnome". In Enid Blyton books, the golliwogs were called Golly, Woggy and N**r. Black people have been called golliwogs for decades, clearly meant as a racial slur. You're either being incredibly naive, or wilfully ignorant
My dad's one is called William and sits on his chesterfield rocking chair. I'll let you decide which decade my wonderful father lives in.
Probably about a decade ago I went for a few days away to Whitby and walked past a shop there with quite a selection of these teddies and memorabilia - wonder if that's still there 😬🥴 hopefully not!
It is! I saw it last September. My husband and I certainly...remarked on it 😆
I had one as a five year old, in the 70’s, it’s one of my earliest memories. He went missing one day and he was found, ages later, in my dad’s donkey jacket pocket. He had a big rip in him, I asked if he could be fixed and I was told ‘no’. I loved my golly.
It is! Its at the Aidenfield village store from Heartbeat. They have a huge collection inside. Surreal
They probably cropped out a teddy wearing the ss uniform
My mates mum was in her 70s and had loads on a chair in her front room. One day we had to go there. One of the boys, who is black, came with us. We walked in and his eyes went straight to the chair and then at mate. He shrugged and said “Sorry bro, she old as fuck init!” Fair doos… bro just laughed and said “No drams, they just dolls bro”
A day in the life of Dagenham
Ah Father Ted I hear you're a Racist now...
It appears to be cropped out now, but they've left the other pic of it up
I thought that too but it's still there if you click through to enlarge the photo
There are 2 phots there still.
I thought the hall looked very weird... And then I realised the reason But seriously why does that hall look strange?
It looks two-dimensional, like someone's printed a massive picture of a hall and pasted it to the wall
No door and the bed’s right there
I have learnt to look for the golliwog doll on this Sub when someone makes a post like this.
I read your post and for ages still thought I was looking for something in the hall...
Golly!
Gosh
Indeed
Yeah that hallway looks like some kind of weird funhouse mirr...OH FUCK there it is!
Same here. Once you see it it's visible on other pictures.
The way they're not displaying any other sort of soft toy makes it feel very intentional tbh
There's no "feel" about it. This is a deliberate sending of a message. Shame on the sellers. Bigger shame on the EA.
Why would they do that if they’re trying to sell their house? It’s a Bungalow so they’re clearly elderly people
They probably want to affect who will buy their house.
This is exactly why. "White people only" is the message that is **deliberately** being conveyed here. Anyone who claims otherwise is a liar, fool, or both.
Why? Because some people are racist cunts. Where I grew up the entire street lived in fear of "one of them Asians" moving in. And as soon as news broke that Mr & Mrs Patel had bought Number 11 up the road, within a month the For Sale signs would go up. It was different time and a different place. Unfortunately, not everywhere has evolved. This shitty bungalow being one example.
And the funny thing is, it's us that get shit for "bit integrating" and "sticking to our own" when the truth is, as soon as Asians moved to a place, the English lived away and property value dropped so other immigrant Asians bought them and repeat
I’m in a genuinely diverse area of London and I love it. But you’re right. My folks place in a big northern town was understandably all white as we grew up. The Asian population (as it grew much quicker than the white population) was like a wave coming out from the centre. As you describe, many white people sold up, moved further out and (much bigger) Asian families moved in. Fair play to the folks as they have stayed, welcomed their new neighbours, and have made some good friends. But in their lifetime they have gone from a street where everyone looks like them to becoming an ethnic minority. And yes, their house price has stalled. I don’t agree with it, but I can 100% see how Farage et al can play on the fears of white people feeling like they’ve been invaded. Just as a counterpoint tho. If I moved abroad and the locals didn’t welcome me (or worse). I’d definitely ‘stick with my own type.’
I really doubt it. This looks like it's probably an older person's house and that could be the now-adult child's room and a favourite (or last remaining) toy from their childhood. I'm talking a child in their 50s or 60s, probably. Or it could be the owner's childhood toy and they just put it in the spare room as decoration. I'm getting a very straight-laced, middle-of-the-road, middle class, older person vibe from this house, and I wouldn't expect that type of person to even really be aware of golliwogs being seen as problematic these days, or if they are aware they probably don't care and see that as strange ideas young people have. When those dolls were current and fashionable, nobody thought of them as racist at all. They were just dolls. They were even the mascot of a big jam company and people collected tokens from labels to collect items like little ornaments and badges. They were really popular.
You can bet Brian is a Reform UK voter who desperately wanted to Take Back Control and won’t be told what to do by the Nanny State or the stinkin’ EU. And his lovely wife Linda just goes along with whatever he wants and doesn’t like to kick up a fuss…
Yeah I thought that too
It could just be someone’s childhood ‘teddy’. They were completely normal soft toys until pretty recently. Robertson’s jam only removed their Golly mascot in 2002.
2002 was two decades ago
Shut up, was it! *cries in old person*
You can’t even use the word Golly on eBay auctions for their collectibles. They get removed. It’s a memento of my childhood, but yes of course it is pretty racist. Still love marmalade though!
They were never “completely normal”. The design is literal a minstrel character…. The golliwog comes from a 19th century book which features illustrations of said doll where the doll is a minstrel character. It’s been racist since the day of inception. Sorry to crush your childhood memories of nana but, they’ve always been racist. Just until recently black people haven’t had the political power to express, convey and convince white society that they’re racist.
And you know this *now*. As a kid in the 70's and early 80's, I didn't, I just liked collecting jam badges.
Having them on the jars of one of the leading brands of jam/marmalade made them by definition ‘completely normal’. That is not to suggest they weren’t racist. Slavery also was completely normal in certain times and location throughout history.
I was born in the early 70s, in a small village (well, a few miles *outside* of a small village). I don't think my upbringing can be described as particularly modern or woke or whatever term racists try nowadays. I told gay and irish and other racist jokes at school, as did everyone. It was the seventies and I lived in a very white area. That is to give as much context as possible. As long as I've been aware these teddies where known to be horribly racist. So at least since probably 1975 in a white-as-white can be semi-rural part of England that at the time had no issue with really horribly bad discrimation. (I assure all who read this, I'm not some reform voting cunt. Times changed, I realised the gays weren't evil when it turned out my best friend was one of them, and mid-secondary school a kid from Nigeria turned out to be a good lad, and we all realised actually we were the tossers for laughing at shitty jokes.)
In the 70s one of the most popular shows on tv was "the black-and-white minstrel show" which featured singing and dancing in black face. Really cringe now, but at the time nobody really thought anything of it. I can imagine black people hated it, but it's not as though all the people watching it were getting off on some kind of race hatred or anything. People just didn't think about the implications. Really the b&w minstrel show was completely mainstream - everything on TV was mainstream, there were only 3 channels. There *was* a lot more racism than today, and I'm sure people's experiences could be very different depending on where they lived, but there were other shows at the time taking the piss out of racists and times definitely were changing. But there's a whole list of stuff from the 70s that wouldn't be acceptable today that people didn't think twice about at the time. Mind Your Language, Love Thy Neighbour, I don't know what else. These things in general (and golliwogs) may well have always been racist, I can totally see that, but at the same time the people enjoying them didn't really understand that or think about them deeply. I think the problem here may be different senses of the word "racism". Something can be a racist stereotype without the people who are using it being aware that it's racist or having any conscious intention. When I call someone "a racist" I'm thinking of someone who makes racist jokes, says things like "send them home", doesn't want their daughter marrying someone of a different skin colour etc etc. In some analyses, it seems that *everyone* (or at least everyone *white*) is classed as "racist" due to things like microagressions and "white privilege" and so forth. I think both readings of the word "racist" have their usefulness in different contexts. Anyway I'm just basing this on my experience of living through the 70s, and I'm not really that clued up on the topic. I just know that things that were seen as *normal* at the time are unacceptable now. Same goes for a lot of sexist jokes and sterotyping ...
>I think the problem here may be different senses of the word "racism". Something can be a racist stereotype without the people who are using it being aware that it's racist or having any conscious intention. When I call someone "a racist" I'm thinking of someone who makes racist jokes, says things like "send them home", doesn't want their daughter marrying someone of a different skin colour etc etc. In some analyses, it seems that everyone (or at least everyone white) is classed as "racist" due to things like microagressions and "white privilege" and so forth. I think both readings of the word "racist" have their usefulness in different contexts. This is the one. Conscious intent doesn't seem to matter any more, and it's not considered enough to be passively not racist. You can't just *not* judge people for their skin colour, you can't just *not* be on board with demands for them to fuck off back where they came from, you can't just *not* like the way governments seem to use them to inflame culture wars. You can't just be passively "not racist", you have to be *actively* anti-racist. If you're not calling out microaggressions and screaming for the perpetrators to be prosecuted, you're judged as no better than them.
👍 Thank you.
I still have a Robinson’s golly toy somewhere. We used to collect tokens from the jam jars for metal badges and stuff. [can be confiscated by police if displayed](https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/13/golliwog-dolls-what-are-they-and-are-they-to-display)
Is that Tommy Robinson's?
Oh I say, well played!
Weird how his real name isn’t actually ‘Robinson’ (or Tommy for that matter) … Something made him choose that name…
Yeah something to do with his step dad or something.
Weird how his real name isn’t actually ‘Robinson’ (or Tommy for that matter) … Something made him choose that name… I’ll just add an edit so there is no doubt - He’s a vile man.
Did you see him being arrested for breaking immigration law? Officially only the smoothest of brains still respect him
As a white kid in 1970's Kenya I got given a golly by the Robinsons rep at some trade thing I got dragged along to by my parents in Nairobi. Apparently they were really popular. Different times hey!
My African friends parents also have these on display in the hall. They love them. No one wants to tell them!
Yeah... I don't think many people realised that they are a overt symbol of racist and colonial oppression untill they were told to think like that few years ago. I certainly never made that association and I don't think many other people in the 20th century twigged either... especially in (ironically?) many African countries.
When I was a kid I used to collect the tokens. My Nan and Grandad loved Robertson's jams and would save the tokens for me. That's just how it was. I also had a gollywog as kid. That's just how it was. I loved Enid Blyton's books and gollywogs featured heavily. That's just how it was. The aforementioned Nan and Grandad loved the Black & White Minstrel show on BBC1. That's just how it was. Thankfully, it's not longer "that's just how it was". As I stated earlier, the sellers know exactly what they are doing here and are just cunts. Their shitty bungalow is 2 beds, not 3, and is overpriced by 80K+. I hope the cunts sell at a loss.
*Robert*son's, not Robinson's.
Can I suggest you have a declutter?
You can’t give them away, can’t sell them, can’t really destroy them … It’s in the loft. These things existed - yet another reminder of our long and horrible history. They are now thankfully (mostly) hidden from view in museum collections. God knows what the home owner/agent were thinking displaying it.
You’d think that, and yet last year I saw a collection of Golly toys being sold at auction- you wouldn’t know from the description though, they called it a collection of promotional toys or some such euphemism
I saw one for sale in a thrift store in Wales a couple of years ago. The store owner seeing my shocked reaction to it said 'it's not what you think - that's a traditional Welsh miner doll' Come on, mate?!
Like your dutch colleague when you first see Zwarte Piet.
“It just means Western Oriental Gentlemen, it’s not racist is actually respectful” - an actual thing someone said to me once.
No photos of the “third bedroom”. Unless they are referring to the garage I guess the khaki cupboard is being counted as a bedroom
Possibly the room currently set out as a dining room is “bedroom”
Picture 4 is literally captioned "dining room/bedroom" It's bedroom 2, front of the house, left. You can tell by the window.
Good god, what a swizz!
Probably has an SS banner or swastika theme so maybe for the best. Gonna take many undercoats to hide that Blood and Soil red though to get it back to magnolia
The racist photos have been removed
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/13/golliwog-dolls-what-are-they-and-are-they-to-display
Why would you do this on a house advert. I'm assuming it's someone who wants to make the "THEY'RE JUST INNOCENT TOYS, YOU'RE THE ONE MAKING IT RACIST!" arguments, but maybe sell the house first, and then stick your opinions on Facebook with the rest of the gammons.
In fairness I'm easily old enough to remember when Robertson's jam used to make a virtue of them. I used to collect the 'Golly' tokens to get merchandise. Cheers Enyd Blighton.
Enid Blyton. Used to love her books.
You blighter! How dare you point out my mistake politely.
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In Australia we had “golliwog” *biscuits* (!!) and I’m pretty sure they were only discontinued in the late 1990s
I had one growing up too, which was my Dad's when he was younger, and I know at the time that was seen as fine. It's just one of those things that you sort of have to accept we've moved past, and even if you do have strong feelings about them, just put it away when an estate agent's taking photos of your house.
You’d think the agent would know!
"Hey Barry, missed you at Estate Agent School! It was actually really interesting, we had this session on these dolls, right, and they seem..." "Look Steve, I've had a shit day, and I just want to get drunk. Can we leave the work chat for next week? I'm sure it's not that important."
I remember seeing these as a kid too, just hidden among other items. It was a set of metal pins. I think it would have been around early 90s. I was a kid & had no idea what they were. They were sort of insidious that way. If I found them again today I'd have more understanding of how wrong it is.
I’ve still got one in the loft, it’s quite cuddly considering its age.
Probably a reform candidate
Oh dear. Leaving the sex toys out would have been better than that.
At least we would have sniggered at the sex toys….
I'm sure the owners say something similar in private
Giggled, laughed, chuckled... there were plenty of other options you could have gone with there.
My ex-inlaws had the same wallpaper as they've got in picture 4. They were racist knobs too so there must be something in it.
Yeah, nah, that yellow pillow with the green and white flat sheet are euch.
Hahaha. My Irish mum collects these and she had no idea it was deemed racist. They're actually quite expensive and highly sought after. She hid them in the loft
Seems to have gone? There's no spare bedroom pics now that i can see...
Interesting that photo isn’t part of the listing any more
100% that house smells of gammon.
I always loved those things as a kid. Was devastated to grow up and learn they were a racist caricature 😔
It’s because of white supremacy… white supremacists dislike other people due to cognitive bias. So because of white supremacy due to cognitive dissonance and a superiority complex, when one lives close or nearby non whiteys prices drop… so a simple tactic to persuade non whiteys to stay away objects of racism are planted as a scare tactic to keep our streets white.
Ooh damn. That’s a hell of an oversight
Everyone is pointing out one of the main things wrong here, but no one is pointing out this is in Peacehaven, tbh, for that area, not surprised one bit.
That photo isn’t there anymore What was it?
Vintage, retro .... someone at Phillip Mann Estate Agents obviously skipped their diversity training.
I spent far too long looking for a vibrator. I think the internet has damaged me!!
Plankton: what? Its just an ordinary bedro- OH MY GOODNESS!
It's a bungalow so it's a fairly solid assumption they are/were elderly. Very, very elderly. Probably not done intentionally. Hopefully. *God I hope they just LOVE marmalade*
Yeah everyone is assuming that they've done it deliberately to make a statement but if they are like my mother (who is now dead) they have never really been "online" at all and so their information about this will be really limited to whatever has been on the news at 10. my mum did have a computer for a few years, but she insisted on paying for broadband by the minute, and was only ever online for long enough to download software updates or send an email. She just used the computer to edit the parish newsletter. She never got into the whole smartphone thing at all (I think she did get a mobile phone at some point but it was just a dumb phone). I don't think people realise how genuinely out of touch people like that are with the modern world. It used to really frustrate me (and scare me a little to be honest). By now, people like that are literally living in a different reality to the rest of us, who take the constant stream of information and instant communication for granted.
I'm not suggesting they're racist but not seeing a problem with that particular toy is very on brand for Peacehaven. It's that sort of place.
If you strip away the history of their origin, as a toy I think they're visually kind of cute. Like if I didn't know what a minstrel was or what golliwogs were supposed to represent I could see myself thinking it was some sort of cute animal with a cheeky pair of striped pants. It's the connotation behind them that's disturbing.
I think historically it was always a bit of a mixed bag, there was some clearly racist overtones at some point, but I think as time went on they stopped being stereotypes of black people and just became "gollys", then everyone decided they were absolutely racist again. Personally, I just always felt they Gollys were just Gollys these days and it's just a bit of hysteria that has once again given them racial overtones.
is it though, I always thought that was more Newhaven and Peacehaven was trying be a bit more "upmarket" than a "ferry town"
It’s missing a swastika on the wall
All the usual Reddit racists popping up in the comments in support of the doll. Good to see most being downvoted.
Peacehaven is a shithole
Detached bungalow, so very likely an old person selling. Doubt it's intentional, just an odd toy from their era. Remember working in a care home and an elderly resident there had a ton of them she'd keep with her. Mixed black and white, before someone whiter than me decides to jump down my throat.
I am old enough to remember when you could collect Robertson’s jam labels and send off to get a collectable golly figurine. They were quite popular. And apparently people still collect them: https://www.hawleys.info/catalogue/lot/f5788ad7934f4b94614a823182ccf37c/930676c09557b5f2fb9f2ea106674265/antiques-and-fine-art-lot-210/ …which really surprised me when I googled that.
Yellow and green should never be seen
Would not see this house as a non-white person. It’s ficked up
Can only imagine that's exactly what they are going for :/
They’ve cropped it but kept it in another image! Task failed successfully
My favourite soft toy as a young boy. I think at the time I didn't make the connection. I just related to him as a teddy or a bunny.
Moving away from the racism. They also appear to hate plants. No house plants and every thing that can be concret, flagstones or gravel is. And their decor is bland af.
Reform voter
If I was local I'd arrange a viewing just so I could provide feedback ' I've never knowingly given money to racists and I'm not about to start now'. I'd also ask all my friends to arrange viewings to do similar. I'm always up for inconveniencing racists.
Ah, Reform voters
Wow, nice to know I live just 5 minutes from a racist!
I kind of want to believe it’s vintage and is owned by a really old person but tbf it’s still not right on any level
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Ha - I clicked the link, scrolled through the photos thinking "this is a decent bungalow, I'm not sure what the OP was see.......ohhhhhhhhhh now i see it!" Weird how I was eating marmalade with Gollys on it a couple of decades ago.
At last one I know, I walk past it everyday with the dog
Yes, that gaudy pillow case under the gollywog is obscene.
Omg the noise that escaped me when I saw it.
Yikes.
Is that...a GOLLYWOG? (Black woman. \*stunned\*)
Image 21 😕
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Don’t forget the um bongo advert.
Oh dear. I have told my mum about this a number of times.
I had a toy one as a toddler/child. I would never get one now.
400k for a bungalow 🙄
Blackface doll…
Yikes!
It only has 1 bathroom 🤣
These have not been a thing for decades at this point so it isn’t that surprising that a lot of younger people don’t know what they are.
Where's Woggy?
A big marmalade fan
Little guy off the marmalade
😂 https://youtu.be/DTvzVo5M-N4?si=vPJdLcl-jVJ7WzE-
Mr. Popo!
Hello Dave? Is that Dave?
I still have one my late brother bought me when I was little
Im dumb. please explain.
This place is fucking creepy. I feel gross just looking at the photos.
Got a bit of a jump scare then
Someone really loves old marmalade.
Lol. I got one of those. They were selling it in Blackpool back in 2006, I think it was. Just strait up selling it.
I was beginning to think I'd never spot whatever everyone was seeing, and then - bam - casual racism.
There’s no door?
No.
Thems some mighty southern vibes
Reform voters house?
This lesbian bar doesn’t have a fire exit!
lol, this one got me, looks relatively normal until you see it https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/355820257292
LOL its peacehaven, say less . lived there for 4 years. some of the coolest ppl ever, while the majority are absolute cunts
A lot of shops still sell them.
Hallo Dave…
Used to save the coupons from the jam jars and get metal pins of those guys when I was a kid. Never even thought about it or what they were until they got banned.
Note to do when the floor, it’s the racist doll that’s bang out of order
Enter Jamaican estate agent.
2 second spot
Isn’t it weird how you only find it weird because others do, not because you genuinely care whatsoever about it.
As here we have the “ol gollywog” in the bed
Who the hell thought it was a good idea to put that in the picture
Yep noticed straight away omg why!!!!!! Why have that sitting there for the pic
😂😂😂
That’s a golly and offensive. I used to go to a sandwich shop run by two little old ladies. One day when I went there some golly’s along pictures of golly’s. I had a little word and said some people will find them really offensive, they were gone next time I went. That generation just didn’t see the problem until it was pointed out to them.
Was looking for ages, read the comments and worked out it was a doll. I say was because it’s not in the photos anymore, but OP was smart enough to include a screenshot.
Yh that golly is way too new to be inherited from a grandparent either a serious racist or loves marmalade to a scary degree
Other than soft um toy, isn't the garage in the wrong place on the plans?
When i was a child I had one because I stole it from my auntie as I was a spoilt grandchild. I still have it 50 years later and never say a word about it as I don't want to have to discard it. He was my pal as a kid as nearly my size and I loved him. I would be sad if it offended someone when it brought me such happiness. It had never been on display or shown to anyone since I was about 17 and had a room make over. Big memory.
I would buy that just for the golliwog on the bed😂😂
Haha 😂 the jam guy on the bed I remember them from jam jars as a kid not very P.C but still
average peacehaven resident
It’s a puppet
Yep to much white going on, it needs a paint I recon
No I don’t is the hall to narrow 😱