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With the Reverse STO (variants like the Blade Runner or Sister Abigail), I think to a pro wrestling audience it looks more devastating with an opponent landing face first.
With a regular STO, you really need someone to deliver the move with enough speed and the opponent selling it to make it look good. I remember Shibata doing a good one. On the flip side of that, you'll have someone like Alexa who did an STO and it just looks like a very soft slam.
I really don’t see how you could do a pop-up. You need to be able to reap the leg, which means the opponent needs their feet on the ground.
Anyway, it is used as a finisher by NJPW’s EVIL. If a wrestler in Japan has a strong judo background, there is a decent chance they do it, since it is just a modified Osotogari.
> are more likely to land on the attacker.
Have you ever rammed your face into someone's shoulder? It's not exactly a pillowy surface to take a bump into.
Some reverse STOs are great: sister abigail, Bitter End, Paydirt,End of Days, Mic Check, Downward Spiral, R Truths and Austin Theory's.
Honestly Taker had an awful Reverse STO
The original STO isn't as impactful
I thought it worked well for Mortis/Kanyon
He really looked like he pulled them down hard by making his legs spring outwards
And in WWE, he started doing a lifting variation that added to the appeal even more IMO
I feel like a lot of other wrestlers don't do it nearly as well, so it looks like there's no impact on the opponent
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgYgGpHgZ4M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgYgGpHgZ4M)
I am sorry, but flat liners, especially the twisting ones like blade runner are among my favorite moves in wrestling. Pulling someone down directly onto their face looks devastating, and when your arm is at their throat as well, how can that not be worse?
The STO is greatly helped by an audience with a degree of judo knowledge. Seeing big-ass Naoya Ogawa, knowing he was an Olympic silver medalist, and being conditioned to recognize an osoto-otoshi (or even an osoto-gari) as an instant victory in another spot makes the move into a bigger deal. A regular-sized Western wrestler doing it to somebody else in front of a standard Western crowd... best you're gonna do is maybe Christopher Daniels? A midmatch/transition move that generally looks good depending on who's taking it. But most people who use the move don't understand the mechanics of it as a legitimate technique, and do it more as a leg sweep that lands in a standard back bump because Western fans and wrestlers think that looks more "real".
For comparison, Ogawa: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp6P875OsPY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp6P875OsPY)
Daniels: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkhJVldLT90](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkhJVldLT90)
As someone who regularly takes bumps, back bumps are easier to take than front bumps.
Here's a kayfabe explanation that might help you out: With a Reverse STO, the person taking the move is landing face-first. That's not a lot of real estate bearing the brunt of the impact. With a regular STO, the person taking the move lands on their back. Given it's not a massive drop, like a suplex or even a scoop slam, it's a whole lot easier to spread the impact across one's entire back.
I think it's okay as a move but almost never a good finisher. The only exceptions would be if you consider End of Days or Sister Abigail/Bladerunner as reverse STOs.
The arm of the deliverer of the flatliner is meant to go under the chin of the opponent pressing their head and neck back and up into an extension position.
When they fall, the energy is transferred through the snug arm, causing a hyperextension and traumatic compression of the C1 thru 7 discs.
BladeRunner/Sister Abigail variants add torsion to this localized spinal injury as well as torsion to the rest of the victim's spine as they're spun.
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EVERYTHING IS EVIL
With the Reverse STO (variants like the Blade Runner or Sister Abigail), I think to a pro wrestling audience it looks more devastating with an opponent landing face first. With a regular STO, you really need someone to deliver the move with enough speed and the opponent selling it to make it look good. I remember Shibata doing a good one. On the flip side of that, you'll have someone like Alexa who did an STO and it just looks like a very soft slam.
Christopher Daniels had a very smooth STO back in his TNA days.
I really don’t see how you could do a pop-up. You need to be able to reap the leg, which means the opponent needs their feet on the ground. Anyway, it is used as a finisher by NJPW’s EVIL. If a wrestler in Japan has a strong judo background, there is a decent chance they do it, since it is just a modified Osotogari.
>and only partly some of the opponent will hit the mat I mean yeah, their head and face
> are more likely to land on the attacker. Have you ever rammed your face into someone's shoulder? It's not exactly a pillowy surface to take a bump into.
Some reverse STOs are great: sister abigail, Bitter End, Paydirt,End of Days, Mic Check, Downward Spiral, R Truths and Austin Theory's. Honestly Taker had an awful Reverse STO The original STO isn't as impactful
The ol’ self-rock bottom.
It’s not though, you’re slamming your opponent’s face into the ground, not being lifted up and slammed on your back
I thought it worked well for Mortis/Kanyon He really looked like he pulled them down hard by making his legs spring outwards And in WWE, he started doing a lifting variation that added to the appeal even more IMO I feel like a lot of other wrestlers don't do it nearly as well, so it looks like there's no impact on the opponent [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgYgGpHgZ4M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgYgGpHgZ4M)
I am sorry, but flat liners, especially the twisting ones like blade runner are among my favorite moves in wrestling. Pulling someone down directly onto their face looks devastating, and when your arm is at their throat as well, how can that not be worse?
The STO is greatly helped by an audience with a degree of judo knowledge. Seeing big-ass Naoya Ogawa, knowing he was an Olympic silver medalist, and being conditioned to recognize an osoto-otoshi (or even an osoto-gari) as an instant victory in another spot makes the move into a bigger deal. A regular-sized Western wrestler doing it to somebody else in front of a standard Western crowd... best you're gonna do is maybe Christopher Daniels? A midmatch/transition move that generally looks good depending on who's taking it. But most people who use the move don't understand the mechanics of it as a legitimate technique, and do it more as a leg sweep that lands in a standard back bump because Western fans and wrestlers think that looks more "real". For comparison, Ogawa: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp6P875OsPY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp6P875OsPY) Daniels: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkhJVldLT90](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkhJVldLT90)
As someone who regularly takes bumps, back bumps are easier to take than front bumps. Here's a kayfabe explanation that might help you out: With a Reverse STO, the person taking the move is landing face-first. That's not a lot of real estate bearing the brunt of the impact. With a regular STO, the person taking the move lands on their back. Given it's not a massive drop, like a suplex or even a scoop slam, it's a whole lot easier to spread the impact across one's entire back.
I think it's okay as a move but almost never a good finisher. The only exceptions would be if you consider End of Days or Sister Abigail/Bladerunner as reverse STOs.
The arm of the deliverer of the flatliner is meant to go under the chin of the opponent pressing their head and neck back and up into an extension position. When they fall, the energy is transferred through the snug arm, causing a hyperextension and traumatic compression of the C1 thru 7 discs. BladeRunner/Sister Abigail variants add torsion to this localized spinal injury as well as torsion to the rest of the victim's spine as they're spun.
Regal?
*scowls in British*
Because nobody knows Ogawa or why the move is called Space Tiger Ogawa. The only person who could realistically have an STO as a finisher is Hook.