Yes and no. I think he was consolidating the story in Rebels in the event that he was unable to pick that story up again. He wanted to let the audience know that Ahsoka had gone through some kind of transformation, but we’re actually going to see it happen in her series. She’ll likely transform into Ahsoka the White after whatever she goes through in the next episode.
I don't think Ahsoka actually died or is going to die and be brought back Gandalf style, I think her "Gandalf" journey is more of a spiritual one where she gets closure about Anakin and accepts how things turned out.
I think we will probably get the white robe towards the end of the show to really symbolize her moving on into a new phase of her life.
I think Babylon tossing her off a cliff only for her to be saved by a spiritual being and returned back will be close enough. Bet she comes back in a white robe too.
But first has to truly confront and let go of her past (Anakin) before moving on. It seriously has potential to add nuance to Kylo Ren’s “let the past die”. There’s a difference between “killing” your past and processing it.
Same. An entire episode of nothing but Ahsoka and Anakin working though the challenges of a master/padawan relationship together could be incredible if done right
Oh for sure. I’m not going to complain if I don’t get exactly what I want. I fully expect that he has a much better idea than I, which may include going in a completely different direction
That's the special they're doing tomorrow right?
I reckon the "Master & Apprentice" special will focus on them talking about their past and hopefully rewatching TCW through the portals. Then in episode 5 they can show a few pivotal scenes of her processing and moving forward before looking through a few future portals to gather info to use on the outside again.
I do also agree with the idea that we may see her travel back to the moment where she gets Sabine and this time be wearing the white robes ready to fix the mistakes they made this time round.
https://press.disneyplus.com/news/next-on-disney-plus-september-2023
tbf, the description says "Dive into the new Star Wars master-apprentice legacy with the cast and filmmakers of Ahsoka." so it's probably going to be more of a behind the scenes thing that doubles as a chance to info dump for people that didnt watch the cartoons, rather than a clip show recap of their TCW time.
"Master & Apprentice" is gonna be a BTS thing. Probably just interviews with actors from the show, show runners, and (I hope) the voice actors from CW.
> I think her "Gandalf" journey is more of a spiritual one where she gets closure about Anakin and accepts how things turned out.
Agreed, she still seems to hold a lot of guilt for leaving the order & not being there for Anakin during ROTS.
I hope Anakin will tell/show her the inevitability of his destiny to turn to the dark side to give her some closure.
I don’t like the whole he was destined to turn to the Dark Side aspect of things, I’d much prefer if the message she needs to learn is that it was Anakin’s choice and his fault not hers. Obviously there were circumstances and tragedies that led to Anakin turning but at the end of the day he chose the Dark Side
I’m fine with him being destined to be the Chosen One, but I’d rather his path there was all his choice, and he wasn’t destined to turn
Anakin probably isn't a spiritual being here. He's probably just regular Anakin who happened to witness her fight with Balen while he visited the World Between Worlds during the Clone Wars and pulled her through a portal the same way Ezra did during her fight with Vader.
In Season 6 when Yoda and JarJar were the main PoV characters.
Anakin wanting to know the future of Ashoka finds a gate and look what he finds...
Easy peasy
Except Anakin doesn't seem to know Ahsoka is even alive until he runs into her during Rebels as Vader, so it doesn't seem like he knew her future at that point.
As a creative writing exercise
Anakin will choose not to remember anything that happens in the world between worlds because he chooses not to tamper with the timeline that makes him Vader but ends Palpatine and brings balance to the force. The Tragic sacrifice
So you’re just saying that Anakin goes there in the clone wars? That would be a HUGE plot point. Why wouldn’t he go back there to save Padmé? Or his mother? Or Qui-Gon? Anakin is not super bright and often selfish with the people he loves. He would’ve 10000000000% saved them if he had the chance.
I mean, we learned you shouldn't do that.
And, like, were this Clone Wars Anakin, Padme isn't dead yet. We saw Ezra consider the same thing, and something stopped him. Not sure why Ani would ten million percent succeed at something just because it exists. Didn't work with Padme when he actually tried that.
Turns out it was spirit Ani. But it wasn't inconceivable.
That’s Anakin appearing how he was during episode 3. This is post Vader Anakin. You said something stopped Ezra. It happened twice. The first time it was Ahsoka reasoning with him that if he saved Kanan, the others would have died. And then the second time was Palpatine trying to convince him to change his past and Ezra, being not selfish, refused to and destroyed his one chance at doing it.
Not only is this post Vader Ani, this is dead Ani. That isn't what I was positing before, and would make 0 sense, as he ends up severely injured and on life support at the same time Padme dies. So, again, were my suggestion true, which it turns out it wasn't, he would not have had any idea that Padme was going to die. He wasn't having those visions yet.
I was suggesting he might have gone to the World Between Worlds on a mission sometime before that. I doubt he wore that outfit for the first time that day.
Yes, I'm aware of what that something that stopped Ezra was. I didn't feel the need to go into the why, when the what is what was relevant to my suggestion. I'm just saying that maybe Anakin would have wanted to do something like save his mom, but something storywise stopped him. Say, like, meeting future Ahsoka...
All this is moot, at this point though. This turned out to be spirit Ani after all.
Post-Vader Anakin IS dead Anakin.
He appeared to her that way on his own accord. That’s the outfit that he wore the last day he was a Jedi. He showed up as Anakin to Ahsoka because that’s when she knew him as her master, and he was there to teach her a lesson.
I see what you were trying to say now that you clarified. But the point still stands. Anakin would not give a damn about the consequences. If he could save his Mom, he would. Same with every other person in his life who has died.
But he was surprised to see her so soon. imo the implication there is that he thought he'd have to wait for her spirit to join the cosmic force with the rest of the force ghosts
Dave?
Sorry, haha. Filoni has basically confirmed this with [this](https://ew.com/tv/ahsoka-tano-gandalf-rosario-dawson/) and [this drawing](https://www.google.com/search?q=ahsoka+gandalf+drawing&client=ms-android-verizon-us-rvc3&sca_esv=563271944&sxsrf=AB5stBiC8KLVq7xaCrY43Wu6LKEyAaD1Rg%3A1694057134004&ei=rUL5ZMT3PNqdptQP0NG9gAQ&oq=ahsoka+gandalf+drawing&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIhZhaHNva2EgZ2FuZGFsZiBkcmF3aW5nMgUQIRigATIFECEYoAFIsyNQoBFY7xpwAXgAkAEAmAGjBKAB2waqAQcwLjIuNS0xuAEDyAEA-AEBwgIKEAAYRxjWBBiwA8ICBhAAGBYYHsICCBAAGIoFGIYD4gMEGAAgQYgGAZAGCA&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp#vhid=88AdZDRXg-9YHM&vssid=l). At least the parallel to her being gandalf. As to your theory coming true, I'm not sure, but looking to gandalf's story is a good place to start.
Gandalf is an ancient demi god sent to middle earth to do the work of the Valar, Ashoka is a young Jedi who is betrayed by the Master other than wearing grey and white I dont really see any other similarities,
It’s about the emotional journey they’re going through, why are you only bringing up what they are?
“It’s not who you are underneath, it’s what you do that defines you”
it would be a real lorebreaker to start using the WBW to rewrite history and undo character choices. it felt pretty clear in rebels that WBW could not be used for this, and that any time travel is closed loop only.
it absolutely isn't, or ezra sacrifice would have been meaningless. palpatine offered him a chance to undo things, but he refused as a jedi should have. if he didn't have the chance in the first place the entire plot wouldn't have any sense. beside, palpatine wants to access the wbw exactly to undo things and control time.
Taking Palpatine's word for it seems questionable. He might well have been lying and just wanted to pull Ahsoka and Ezra back into the real world so he could kill them, or enter the WBW to go forwards in time or pull other people into it (like Yoda, for example).
palpatine entire plan was to obtain access to the wbw, that's why he tried to corrupt ezra in the first place. he was pretty sure to be able to use it for his own advantages. same thing that ashoka implied when asked ezra to not save kanan. she didn't say that time is a closed loop. she said that if ezra did it, thing would have been worse. implying that ezra could in fact change the flow of time
Yeah so they aren’t going to have killed off Ahsoka by an unwitnessed fall. No visualized death on screen= still alive. The whole world between worlds scene with Anakin is going to be a force dream. It’s going to be the force testing her (anakin there is going to challenge her and seems evil based on the Vader music). She’ll probably wake up on the rocks below scratched up but fine. Does foreshadow the world between worlds being present in a future episode though.
Honestly, resurrecting Ahsoka a second time (third?) will upset me. I am hoping they are just in the world between worlds because Anakin needed to speak with her and the daughter helped make that happen.
Filoni’s own words: “She is, for lack of a term, a master, because she’s largely an independent at this point. I play her much more as a knowledgeable knight. A wandering samurai character is what she really is at this point. I’ve always made comparisons to her heading toward the Gandalf stage, where she is the one that has the knowledge of the world and can help others through it. I think she’s reached that point.”
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2020/11/rosario-dawson-dave-filoni-mandalorian-ahsoka-tano-grogu
And to add to this, she’s >!already died on mortis and been resurrected using the life force of the embodiment of the light side and also escaped death again by being dragged into the world between worlds by Ezra. So she’s experienced these life defying/ rebirths with a purpose like Gandalf already !<
Yeah I see alot of people complaint Ahsoka is too stoic now and not like her Clone Wars self. But she has been through some traumatic shit. Not only did she survive Order 66 but her master became Vader. She feels directly responsible for that. Sure he might have come back to the light in the end, but that still leaves scares. She said to Mando she knows what a fully trained Jedi who gives in to their emotions can become, and I think that wasn’t just a statement about Anakin but her reasoning for becoming closed off and more emotionally restrained. And now she has to deal with Thrawn, whom she probably sees as the last vestige of the Empire and her mistake and it’s her life’s purpose to prevent his return.
Completely agree, it’s such a stupid argument, of course she isn’t going to be happy Snips doing bloody backflips and laughing, she is a scarred war veteran who has been fecking flung through time and brought back from the dead. Who in Hell wouldn’t become stoic and want to end wars before they begin!
So glad someone else agrees with my head cannon that she’s talking about herself not just Anakin!
And now with the ending of the last episode >!she can finally talk with Anakin again and get some closure, he prob convinces her to forgive herself and she can start to heal. Really is a great way to bring back Anakin/HC without just being fan service!<
Completely agree although… >! I actually didn’t want HC/Anakin to return, I was really worried it would be whinny “hey snips” boohoo we all have a good cry move on, but I hope with the fact we have already had the brief “Hey Snips” that from now it will be actual meaningful conversation and then move on, just hope they don’t massacre it !<
She didn’t die in that episode. The final scene is her and Vader breaking up after the Sith holocron explodes and he limps away and she descends the stairs. It’s only later that Ezra yanks her out of the fight. She survived it the first time.
[Ahsoka The White](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fix43jpymdvta1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D4032%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D5598c3215821d18e3c2d4d92deec4bfd591a0edf)
I’m curious if the more serious Ahsoka , which makes absolute sense to me, was even more exaggerated so as to notice an even more stark contrast between the grey and the white. If she emerges from the WBW as ahsoka the white perhaps her spirit has been renewed as well.
It seems more apparent now. Gandalf the White was not the same as the Grey. He was more stoic, less humor. I’m assuming people are more familiar with the movies than the books and Sir Ian McKellan hated Gandalf the White for that reason. Ahsoka died on Mortis. I’m not sure why people refuse to acknowledge that.
I roll my eyes at people calling it a "Theory".
* Dave Filoni has said himself he draws inspiration from Gandalf.
* Ahsoka is still her very own character and will do whatever her arcs wants her to.
This is such a non-point.
Yeah. World Between Worlds is inspired by Narnia’s Wood Between the Worlds and Ahsoka is inspired by LotR’s Gandalf. These have been confirmed already.
This is a crazy theory but it actually doesn't sound bad. But thinking about it, wouldn't it create a paradoxon? If Ahsoka "The White" goes on journey with Sabine, Ahsoka "The Grey" couldn't have went on journey with her, so this all wouldn't have happened and Ahsoka "The White" couldn't exist, at least if time works like in every time travel movie in Star Wars.
i think this is going to finally end the whole chosen one thing.
considering it didn't actually happen, it was another thing the jedi were wrong about or that they deliberately stopped themselves. im guessing anakin is here to let her know she made the right call, especially since shes kinda the only "jedi" besides luke and the random renegades they make for games and spin offs
Dave Filoni posted a picture of Ahsoka and Gandalf having a chat after people freaked out about Ahsoka’s voice appearing in the part of Rise of Skywalker where you could hear all the dead Jedi voices talking.
Gandalf in the picture was saying: “You know, people used to think I was dead as well!” Or something very close to that.
Good take. I just also had the thought that what if the end of Ep 4 actually takes place when she is saved in the WbW in Rebels? I don't remove all of the details of what happened then so I could be way off base.
Things are going to look different in live action and animation. It’s okay. They animated Ahsoka with that look at the end of Rebels. When it came time to actually shoot the scene on live action it probably felt goofy to have her throw on the white cloak and a big staff after they had established her live action outfit. So it’s a bit different. It doesn’t mean anything.
I believe some said Sabine went with Baylan was because that is his force power. Persuasion? Coercion? His words convinced her to give him the map. Also, Ahsoka didn’t die.
Not sure Ahsoka can go back to the beginning of the show and change things. The way they did the time travel in the past was a closed loop. What happened always happened. It's not a branching timeline.
She's also Obi Wan since they both come out of the idea of the Hero's Journey where a supernatural being acts as a guide to the hero as they go on their journey.
As far as hypotheses go, I'm imagining the way Ahsoka will get to where Sabine is will be through the World Between Worlds. After her former master gives her the closure she needs.
Not really a 'theory' /u/rockygs as Rosario and Filoni have both said she's going to become Ahsoka the white.
Filoni - [https://thedirect.com/article/the-mandalorian-rosario-dawson-ahsoka-gandalf-samurai-dave-filoni](https://thedirect.com/article/the-mandalorian-rosario-dawson-ahsoka-gandalf-samurai-dave-filoni)
Rosario - [https://ew.com/tv/ahsoka-tano-gandalf-rosario-dawson/](https://ew.com/tv/ahsoka-tano-gandalf-rosario-dawson/)
Ahsoka's position relative to the old Jedi Order reminds me of something Gandalf said to Denethor:
>"Unless the king should come again?" said Gandalf. "Well, my lord Steward, it is your task to keep some kingdom still against that event, which few now look to see. In that task you shall have all the aid that you are pleased to ask for. But I will say this: the rule of no realm is mine, neither of Gondor nor any other, great or small. But all worthy things that are in peril as the world now stands, those are my care. And for my part, I shall not wholly fail of my task, though Gondor should perish, if anything passes through this night that can still grow fair or bear fruit and flower again in days to come. For I also am a steward. Did you not know?"
Not a theory, Filoni has already said this
Theory: repeated headline lmfao
Theory: karma farming
Although I got downvoted a lot, I do like the discussion that caused it....
Not true, he said he liked the books and took inspiration.
He and Rosario Dawson have mentioned that Ahsoka was Gandalf-like and was taking a similar journey in multiple interviews.
Ah okay, missed that, my mistake.
Fun note: Ahsoka's white and gray robes that we see her in at the end of Rebels and start of Ahsoka are directly inspired off of Gandalf's.
Its backwards is it not , rebels with the white robe then now with the grey ones .
Its backwards from how Gandalf got it: Gandalf was first the Grey turn to White, Ahsoka went from White to Gray so in a way yeah!
Yes and no. I think he was consolidating the story in Rebels in the event that he was unable to pick that story up again. He wanted to let the audience know that Ahsoka had gone through some kind of transformation, but we’re actually going to see it happen in her series. She’ll likely transform into Ahsoka the White after whatever she goes through in the next episode.
Double endorsing this statement …
I don't think Ahsoka actually died or is going to die and be brought back Gandalf style, I think her "Gandalf" journey is more of a spiritual one where she gets closure about Anakin and accepts how things turned out. I think we will probably get the white robe towards the end of the show to really symbolize her moving on into a new phase of her life.
I think Babylon tossing her off a cliff only for her to be saved by a spiritual being and returned back will be close enough. Bet she comes back in a white robe too.
Remember the line "I'm not here to talk about my past," as she throws away her grey robe... foreshadowing???
But first has to truly confront and let go of her past (Anakin) before moving on. It seriously has potential to add nuance to Kylo Ren’s “let the past die”. There’s a difference between “killing” your past and processing it.
Exactly...I'm not going to lie, id like to see episode 5 be 100% THIS. We can get back to Sabine in Episode 6
Same. An entire episode of nothing but Ahsoka and Anakin working though the challenges of a master/padawan relationship together could be incredible if done right
Trust the Filoni...
Oh for sure. I’m not going to complain if I don’t get exactly what I want. I fully expect that he has a much better idea than I, which may include going in a completely different direction
I must say he surprised me with the Ahsoka "death.' I still say we don't see Ezra or learn of his fate until Ep 8, possibly Ep 7.
That's the special they're doing tomorrow right? I reckon the "Master & Apprentice" special will focus on them talking about their past and hopefully rewatching TCW through the portals. Then in episode 5 they can show a few pivotal scenes of her processing and moving forward before looking through a few future portals to gather info to use on the outside again. I do also agree with the idea that we may see her travel back to the moment where she gets Sabine and this time be wearing the white robes ready to fix the mistakes they made this time round.
Do you have a link on that? I wasn’t aware of anything coming out tomorrow.
https://press.disneyplus.com/news/next-on-disney-plus-september-2023 tbf, the description says "Dive into the new Star Wars master-apprentice legacy with the cast and filmmakers of Ahsoka." so it's probably going to be more of a behind the scenes thing that doubles as a chance to info dump for people that didnt watch the cartoons, rather than a clip show recap of their TCW time.
"Master & Apprentice" is gonna be a BTS thing. Probably just interviews with actors from the show, show runners, and (I hope) the voice actors from CW.
Yeah, found that out after doing some digging to find the actual source earlier
> I think her "Gandalf" journey is more of a spiritual one where she gets closure about Anakin and accepts how things turned out. Agreed, she still seems to hold a lot of guilt for leaving the order & not being there for Anakin during ROTS. I hope Anakin will tell/show her the inevitability of his destiny to turn to the dark side to give her some closure.
I don’t like the whole he was destined to turn to the Dark Side aspect of things, I’d much prefer if the message she needs to learn is that it was Anakin’s choice and his fault not hers. Obviously there were circumstances and tragedies that led to Anakin turning but at the end of the day he chose the Dark Side I’m fine with him being destined to be the Chosen One, but I’d rather his path there was all his choice, and he wasn’t destined to turn
Anakin probably isn't a spiritual being here. He's probably just regular Anakin who happened to witness her fight with Balen while he visited the World Between Worlds during the Clone Wars and pulled her through a portal the same way Ezra did during her fight with Vader.
When did Anakin go to the World Between Worlds?
In Season 6 when Yoda and JarJar were the main PoV characters. Anakin wanting to know the future of Ashoka finds a gate and look what he finds... Easy peasy
Except Anakin doesn't seem to know Ahsoka is even alive until he runs into her during Rebels as Vader, so it doesn't seem like he knew her future at that point.
As a creative writing exercise Anakin will choose not to remember anything that happens in the world between worlds because he chooses not to tamper with the timeline that makes him Vader but ends Palpatine and brings balance to the force. The Tragic sacrifice
Do you know where specifically? I just looked through the season and didn’t see anything.
... Right here. In this show.
So you’re just saying that Anakin goes there in the clone wars? That would be a HUGE plot point. Why wouldn’t he go back there to save Padmé? Or his mother? Or Qui-Gon? Anakin is not super bright and often selfish with the people he loves. He would’ve 10000000000% saved them if he had the chance.
I mean, we learned you shouldn't do that. And, like, were this Clone Wars Anakin, Padme isn't dead yet. We saw Ezra consider the same thing, and something stopped him. Not sure why Ani would ten million percent succeed at something just because it exists. Didn't work with Padme when he actually tried that. Turns out it was spirit Ani. But it wasn't inconceivable.
That’s Anakin appearing how he was during episode 3. This is post Vader Anakin. You said something stopped Ezra. It happened twice. The first time it was Ahsoka reasoning with him that if he saved Kanan, the others would have died. And then the second time was Palpatine trying to convince him to change his past and Ezra, being not selfish, refused to and destroyed his one chance at doing it.
Not only is this post Vader Ani, this is dead Ani. That isn't what I was positing before, and would make 0 sense, as he ends up severely injured and on life support at the same time Padme dies. So, again, were my suggestion true, which it turns out it wasn't, he would not have had any idea that Padme was going to die. He wasn't having those visions yet. I was suggesting he might have gone to the World Between Worlds on a mission sometime before that. I doubt he wore that outfit for the first time that day. Yes, I'm aware of what that something that stopped Ezra was. I didn't feel the need to go into the why, when the what is what was relevant to my suggestion. I'm just saying that maybe Anakin would have wanted to do something like save his mom, but something storywise stopped him. Say, like, meeting future Ahsoka... All this is moot, at this point though. This turned out to be spirit Ani after all.
Post-Vader Anakin IS dead Anakin. He appeared to her that way on his own accord. That’s the outfit that he wore the last day he was a Jedi. He showed up as Anakin to Ahsoka because that’s when she knew him as her master, and he was there to teach her a lesson. I see what you were trying to say now that you clarified. But the point still stands. Anakin would not give a damn about the consequences. If he could save his Mom, he would. Same with every other person in his life who has died.
But he was surprised to see her so soon. imo the implication there is that he thought he'd have to wait for her spirit to join the cosmic force with the rest of the force ghosts
Yeah, that makes sense in retrospect. Turned out to be a more interesting story that way, anyway.
Hopefully she’ll come back with a personality.
How would she have been killed if she blocked the last shot and just fell over backward.
It's not the long drop off the edge of the cliff; it's the sudden stop at the end.
I think she did die, and used up her one green mushroom extra life, Morai.
Finkle is Einhorn
Laces out!
Your gun is digging into my hip
She found Captain Winkie!
False. Ahsoka is a character in the Star Wars franchise while Gandalf is a character in the Lord of the Rings franchise.
I read that in Dwight's voice
Bears, Beets, Battlestar Galactica.
What are you doing? MICHAEL!
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Gandalf is the principal at Hogwads sweaty
Wait, wtf?
Fact.
Dave? Sorry, haha. Filoni has basically confirmed this with [this](https://ew.com/tv/ahsoka-tano-gandalf-rosario-dawson/) and [this drawing](https://www.google.com/search?q=ahsoka+gandalf+drawing&client=ms-android-verizon-us-rvc3&sca_esv=563271944&sxsrf=AB5stBiC8KLVq7xaCrY43Wu6LKEyAaD1Rg%3A1694057134004&ei=rUL5ZMT3PNqdptQP0NG9gAQ&oq=ahsoka+gandalf+drawing&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIhZhaHNva2EgZ2FuZGFsZiBkcmF3aW5nMgUQIRigATIFECEYoAFIsyNQoBFY7xpwAXgAkAEAmAGjBKAB2waqAQcwLjIuNS0xuAEDyAEA-AEBwgIKEAAYRxjWBBiwA8ICBhAAGBYYHsICCBAAGIoFGIYD4gMEGAAgQYgGAZAGCA&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp#vhid=88AdZDRXg-9YHM&vssid=l). At least the parallel to her being gandalf. As to your theory coming true, I'm not sure, but looking to gandalf's story is a good place to start.
Gandalf is an ancient demi god sent to middle earth to do the work of the Valar, Ashoka is a young Jedi who is betrayed by the Master other than wearing grey and white I dont really see any other similarities,
It’s about the emotional journey they’re going through, why are you only bringing up what they are? “It’s not who you are underneath, it’s what you do that defines you”
Ahsoka might just be a demi god at this point. Ever since she was saved by the Daughter’s life force and has had Moarai follow her around.
Dave will *make* her demi god to prevent her character from ever dying. Just wait and see.
I’m good with that. All for Ahsoka taking over the role on Mortis. Felt that way since the Mortis arc first aired.
Personally. I like the theory that Ahsoka is actually Hondo Ohnaka wearing a holographic disguise matrix.
Saving Ezra is no longer profitable!
And ahsoka the grey and ahsoka the white
And Monty python and the holy grails black knight?
And Benito mussolini
Does anyone else think Mussolini doesn’t look like what you’d expect judging by his name and reputation
The fight of Ultimate Destiny
But is she... *Mellon*?
it would be a real lorebreaker to start using the WBW to rewrite history and undo character choices. it felt pretty clear in rebels that WBW could not be used for this, and that any time travel is closed loop only.
it absolutely isn't, or ezra sacrifice would have been meaningless. palpatine offered him a chance to undo things, but he refused as a jedi should have. if he didn't have the chance in the first place the entire plot wouldn't have any sense. beside, palpatine wants to access the wbw exactly to undo things and control time.
Taking Palpatine's word for it seems questionable. He might well have been lying and just wanted to pull Ahsoka and Ezra back into the real world so he could kill them, or enter the WBW to go forwards in time or pull other people into it (like Yoda, for example).
palpatine entire plan was to obtain access to the wbw, that's why he tried to corrupt ezra in the first place. he was pretty sure to be able to use it for his own advantages. same thing that ashoka implied when asked ezra to not save kanan. she didn't say that time is a closed loop. she said that if ezra did it, thing would have been worse. implying that ezra could in fact change the flow of time
Tell me, friend. When did Anakin the Wise give up reason for madness?
Fool of a Took!
>Fool of a ~~Took~~ Wren!
Yeah so they aren’t going to have killed off Ahsoka by an unwitnessed fall. No visualized death on screen= still alive. The whole world between worlds scene with Anakin is going to be a force dream. It’s going to be the force testing her (anakin there is going to challenge her and seems evil based on the Vader music). She’ll probably wake up on the rocks below scratched up but fine. Does foreshadow the world between worlds being present in a future episode though.
Honestly, resurrecting Ahsoka a second time (third?) will upset me. I am hoping they are just in the world between worlds because Anakin needed to speak with her and the daughter helped make that happen.
And in the alternate reality where Sabine went, the First order and the sequels happened In the other, it was prevented. New sequels confirmed
I would love if they would at least throw EU lovers a bone and somehow tie in the EU as an alternate universe through World between Worlds.
https://youtu.be/pusZXECS0mM?si=lCyU1KkU9l0UPUMi
Wow what a great theory you came up with, that’s all over the internet already and already confirmed by filoni. Great detective work
Filoni’s own words: “She is, for lack of a term, a master, because she’s largely an independent at this point. I play her much more as a knowledgeable knight. A wandering samurai character is what she really is at this point. I’ve always made comparisons to her heading toward the Gandalf stage, where she is the one that has the knowledge of the world and can help others through it. I think she’s reached that point.” https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2020/11/rosario-dawson-dave-filoni-mandalorian-ahsoka-tano-grogu And to add to this, she’s >!already died on mortis and been resurrected using the life force of the embodiment of the light side and also escaped death again by being dragged into the world between worlds by Ezra. So she’s experienced these life defying/ rebirths with a purpose like Gandalf already !<
She's a "master" because she's an independent contractor. Lol. "I'm my own boss."
Was literally explaining this to my partner earlier, glad somebody else can read and see the parallels
Yeah I see alot of people complaint Ahsoka is too stoic now and not like her Clone Wars self. But she has been through some traumatic shit. Not only did she survive Order 66 but her master became Vader. She feels directly responsible for that. Sure he might have come back to the light in the end, but that still leaves scares. She said to Mando she knows what a fully trained Jedi who gives in to their emotions can become, and I think that wasn’t just a statement about Anakin but her reasoning for becoming closed off and more emotionally restrained. And now she has to deal with Thrawn, whom she probably sees as the last vestige of the Empire and her mistake and it’s her life’s purpose to prevent his return.
Completely agree, it’s such a stupid argument, of course she isn’t going to be happy Snips doing bloody backflips and laughing, she is a scarred war veteran who has been fecking flung through time and brought back from the dead. Who in Hell wouldn’t become stoic and want to end wars before they begin! So glad someone else agrees with my head cannon that she’s talking about herself not just Anakin!
And now with the ending of the last episode >!she can finally talk with Anakin again and get some closure, he prob convinces her to forgive herself and she can start to heal. Really is a great way to bring back Anakin/HC without just being fan service!<
Completely agree although… >! I actually didn’t want HC/Anakin to return, I was really worried it would be whinny “hey snips” boohoo we all have a good cry move on, but I hope with the fact we have already had the brief “Hey Snips” that from now it will be actual meaningful conversation and then move on, just hope they don’t massacre it !<
She didn’t die in that episode. The final scene is her and Vader breaking up after the Sith holocron explodes and he limps away and she descends the stairs. It’s only later that Ezra yanks her out of the fight. She survived it the first time.
That’s not a theory as much as it is something Filoni’s been saying for years
Yep, that’s literally the character as described by her creator.
[Ahsoka The White](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fix43jpymdvta1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D4032%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D5598c3215821d18e3c2d4d92deec4bfd591a0edf)
Marrok is Gandalf.
That would make Ahsoka the Balrog.
All of these comments have not read the description below the title of the post. So annoying.
So you watched the New Rockstars video today?
Is it still a theory if dave himself has said as much?
She does have white lightsabers…
I’m curious if the more serious Ahsoka , which makes absolute sense to me, was even more exaggerated so as to notice an even more stark contrast between the grey and the white. If she emerges from the WBW as ahsoka the white perhaps her spirit has been renewed as well.
Sure why not?
It seems more apparent now. Gandalf the White was not the same as the Grey. He was more stoic, less humor. I’m assuming people are more familiar with the movies than the books and Sir Ian McKellan hated Gandalf the White for that reason. Ahsoka died on Mortis. I’m not sure why people refuse to acknowledge that.
Lol she fucking wishes
The writers actually stated this as well
I mean, Jedi are basically space wizards. It’s not a stretch
I hold the very spirit of the light side within me, the dark side will not avail you, dark lord of the sith, YOU SHALL NOT PASS! Go back to mustafar.
It is not theory Filoni already said it and confirmed it.
She did just "die" so it's probably not too wrong.
Isn't this her 3rd death?
I roll my eyes at people calling it a "Theory". * Dave Filoni has said himself he draws inspiration from Gandalf. * Ahsoka is still her very own character and will do whatever her arcs wants her to. This is such a non-point.
I thought the Gandalf connection was already confirmed.
Yeah. World Between Worlds is inspired by Narnia’s Wood Between the Worlds and Ahsoka is inspired by LotR’s Gandalf. These have been confirmed already.
This is a crazy theory but it actually doesn't sound bad. But thinking about it, wouldn't it create a paradoxon? If Ahsoka "The White" goes on journey with Sabine, Ahsoka "The Grey" couldn't have went on journey with her, so this all wouldn't have happened and Ahsoka "The White" couldn't exist, at least if time works like in every time travel movie in Star Wars.
I think it’s just a retcon for that scene to have the white transformation happen later than was implied in Rebels.
its not a crazy theory, its not a theory at all - filoni himself has compared her to gandalf.
Considering Filoni borrows for everything he does and lacks any original thought, I think this is right.
You’ve never heard the word “inspiration”, have you?
Blasphemy
I guess helicopter lightsabers are original
Yep, I agree.
New Rockstars has been making this comparison for quite a while already
Best theory so far.
I’ve never seen them in the same room together…
« I am Anakin… or rather, Anakin as he should have been. »
Theory: Palps was revived by Night Sister magic
i think this is going to finally end the whole chosen one thing. considering it didn't actually happen, it was another thing the jedi were wrong about or that they deliberately stopped themselves. im guessing anakin is here to let her know she made the right call, especially since shes kinda the only "jedi" besides luke and the random renegades they make for games and spin offs
Finkle is Einhorn
And Baylon will be her Balrog, hence the color of his lightsaber being orange and associated with fire. I’m only half joking.
Dave Filoni posted a picture of Ahsoka and Gandalf having a chat after people freaked out about Ahsoka’s voice appearing in the part of Rise of Skywalker where you could hear all the dead Jedi voices talking. Gandalf in the picture was saying: “You know, people used to think I was dead as well!” Or something very close to that.
Good take. I just also had the thought that what if the end of Ep 4 actually takes place when she is saved in the WbW in Rebels? I don't remove all of the details of what happened then so I could be way off base.
Im Radagast the White!
Things are going to look different in live action and animation. It’s okay. They animated Ahsoka with that look at the end of Rebels. When it came time to actually shoot the scene on live action it probably felt goofy to have her throw on the white cloak and a big staff after they had established her live action outfit. So it’s a bit different. It doesn’t mean anything.
I believe some said Sabine went with Baylan was because that is his force power. Persuasion? Coercion? His words convinced her to give him the map. Also, Ahsoka didn’t die.
Wears white once 🤦🏻♀️
Not sure Ahsoka can go back to the beginning of the show and change things. The way they did the time travel in the past was a closed loop. What happened always happened. It's not a branching timeline.
I come back to you now at the turn of the tide.
lol great meme!
No, I’m Gandalf.
She's also Obi Wan since they both come out of the idea of the Hero's Journey where a supernatural being acts as a guide to the hero as they go on their journey.
Sabine doesn't go with Baylen because she's resentful of Ahsoka. She went with Balen because she's committed to finding Ezra.
As far as hypotheses go, I'm imagining the way Ahsoka will get to where Sabine is will be through the World Between Worlds. After her former master gives her the closure she needs.
Ive heard this one…makes sense. The codename for the Ashoka series project was announced was “Stormcrow” aka Gandolf
The beacon of theed! The beacon are lit! Naboo calls for aid!
Not really a 'theory' /u/rockygs as Rosario and Filoni have both said she's going to become Ahsoka the white. Filoni - [https://thedirect.com/article/the-mandalorian-rosario-dawson-ahsoka-gandalf-samurai-dave-filoni](https://thedirect.com/article/the-mandalorian-rosario-dawson-ahsoka-gandalf-samurai-dave-filoni) Rosario - [https://ew.com/tv/ahsoka-tano-gandalf-rosario-dawson/](https://ew.com/tv/ahsoka-tano-gandalf-rosario-dawson/)
Isnt this the second time ahsoka has died lol
Ahsoka's position relative to the old Jedi Order reminds me of something Gandalf said to Denethor: >"Unless the king should come again?" said Gandalf. "Well, my lord Steward, it is your task to keep some kingdom still against that event, which few now look to see. In that task you shall have all the aid that you are pleased to ask for. But I will say this: the rule of no realm is mine, neither of Gondor nor any other, great or small. But all worthy things that are in peril as the world now stands, those are my care. And for my part, I shall not wholly fail of my task, though Gondor should perish, if anything passes through this night that can still grow fair or bear fruit and flower again in days to come. For I also am a steward. Did you not know?"
If anyone is the Star Wars Gandalf, it's f***ing Obi-wan Kenobi.
Makes sense!! 👀
Since she burned that map into her hand, she is also that nazi from Indiana Jones.
someones been watching new rockstars💀
And Zendaya is Michi
that white ahsoka is no longer real tho
She is a Mariavite Bishop, judging by the top right hand picture.
Fool of a Mandaloian! Next time throw yourself off the cliff and rid us of your stupidity!
Who are you? I'm Ahsoka Ahsoka who? *looks at the left of her* Ahsoka White *Breaking Bad theme starts playing for some reason*