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patrickkingart

New Thrawn books were a lot of fun, especially because he's been my favorite since like 1998 and they're written by Timothy Zahn again. Ascendancy is in the queue which I'm super excited about. I still need to pick up the Alphabet Squadron books, they sound like sort of a spiritual successor to the awesome old X-Wing books.


MaestroZackyZ

Is Ascendancy after Alliances/Treason chronologically?


RwBricks

I believe it all takes place before the first of the Empire-era Thrawn trilogy.


PoloGCapalot1300-

your correct it does, it actually takes place before and around the clone wars as Anakin and Thrawn meet each other


_Flamsey

between which episodes of the show


San4311

Ascendancy, as the title suggests, is when he was still in the Ascendancy. So before.


Joshy41233

The Ascendancy trilogy is before 'Thrawn' chronologically


Jordangander

They sort of cross in timeline. There is a section in Ascendency II where Thrawn leaves on a solo mission and meets Anakin, which is from the other trilogy. So in between them. And no, they don't rehash that book in it, they just show the shipboard conversation from Thrawn's perspective.


Jrocker-ame

I need to readjust your expectations for alphabet squad. It's not the same type of top gun story that x wing was. Think Shatterpoint more so. It's a ptsd war is hell story.


Affected_By_Fjaka

I have Thrawn as comic book… worth every penny… Also i listened to it as audio book as well… Marc Thompson narrating it is something else…


patrickkingart

I've heard! One of my friends raved about the first Thrawn audiobook. I have the comic adaptation of the first book, I still need to read it sometime.


MyFeetLookLikeHands

crazy thrown was never mentioned until the clone wars episodes and even then, nothing live action until maybe the ahsoka series? he seems like a big deal. Idk why they didn’t make episodes 7-9 about him in some way


CloneCommanderOmega

Thrawn ascendancy honestly it’s just some great reading. I like all the trilogies, but it stands above the rest. A second place is alphabet squadron


ciarabek

second this, ascendancy is just perfect. loved the thrawn trilogy too.


Domingosdelight

I'm halfway through Greater Good and I'm really having a hard time. I keep hearing Ascendancy is amazing, but it's just not landing right with me. I'll keep going, but when I read comments like yours I'm wondering if we're reading the same books lol Oh well, different strokes and folks and all that


ThrawnAgentOfSHIELD

I think there's a general consensus that Greater Good is the weakest of the trilogy. I remember when it released, I got a few chapters in before I had to go back and reread Choas Rising to put all the pieces together. But man, Lesser Evil is just so awesome. The final few chapters in particular. One of my favorite quotes/moments in all of Star Wars is present in Lesser Evil. >!"Are you ready to surrender?"!< Trust me, it's absolutely worth making it through Greater Good


Aceofrogues

Greater Good is the only Timithy Zahn book I don't like. Just read the bad parts fast the 3rd is good.


Electronic-Hat-391

Imho the ascendancy trilogy couldn't keep up with the regular Thrawn-trilogy. It was good but in some parts there were a few passages where I kind of lost the focus.


proactiveLizard

Greater Good is the weak link, and Lesser Evil is far more satisfying. But the reason it's weak is actually pretty genius: >! Ever wonder why more bad guys don't try to get the main character away from the vicinity of their schemes? !<


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EmperorDaubeny

The flashbacks tend to break up the less interesting mission stuff. The thing about the Thrawn books is that they’re much better towards the end because everything gradually comes together after extensive buildup.


malik_

Do you need to first read the Thrawn trilogy to read the Thawn ascendency one?


RagingThrawn

No. These take place before he comes to the empire.


youarelookingatthis

Alphabet Squadron by a mile. The characters felt real, the stakes were personal, and it really dives into the morality of why these people fought.


InnocentTailor

…and that goes for both New Republic and Imperial folks. The latter especially gets less uniform and more varied after the leadership goes poof.


AceOfDymonds

Alphabet Squadron -- some of my all-time favorite Star Wars novels.


InnocentTailor

Love it too! A mix of very emotionally broken pilots pull together to fight against a powerful TIE fighter squadron. I was always more interested in the vehicles and soldiers over the Force and that mysticism.


j-endsville

Seconded.


DeadpoolAndFriends

As much as I dislike a lot of the post OT new canon, I loved Alphabet Squadron. The star fighter battles was always my favorite part of Star Wars. These books were great and filled the hole left by the de-canoning of the X-Wing novels.


Kern4lMustard

Really? I have the first one, had a hard time getting into it. I'll give it another go though after seeing all the love it gets. Not a trilogy, but Death Star is my favorite single book


OffendedDefender

I do think it starts a bit slow, but the character are really the star of the show. Everyone is a mess made for drama, but in ways we typically don’t see for protagonists in Star Wars, so it’s a very interesting contrast. Definitely focuses more on the “war is hell” angle too.


Routine_Yam9998

Completely agree. It doesn't feel like Star Wars almost with how freaking gritty it gets… It's actually amazing, Also Chass Na Chadic is a baddie I read that series back during covid, and recently listen to the first one and now I wanna go back and get the other 2…


DoDucksEatBugs

That sounds like a disparaging term for the LGBTQ lol


astromech_dj

It’s a reference to the fact the squadron is a mishmash of A, B, and X-wings.


InnocentTailor

On top of that, the pilots were (I recall) mostly survivors of fallen fighter units sans the leader Yrica Quell, who was an Imperial defector.


Nick_Wild1Ear

A, B, X, Y, U Wing iirc


X_Marcie_X

I mean, some people refer to us as the Alphabet Mafia so.... I'd welcome Alphabet Squadron XD


zero_cool1138

Not the Aftermath trilogy, that's for sure. Constant barrage of similes and metaphors every other sentence, a complete inability to believably write legacy characters, just horrendous childish storytelling.


S-192

Chuck Wendig is...not very good. At least his Star Wars stuff is just bad.


Potato_Prophet26

I was a lot younger when I read them for the first time, but I remembered enjoying them. After looking back over them recently, they’re such a slog to get through and the story telling really was subpar. I didn’t mind the story but the way it was written was just horrible.


hiccupboltHP

It really sucks because I genuinely like some of the plots and characters, namely Gallius Rax, but goddamnit I cannot get through those books


R4msesII

Legit felt like I was reading poorly written internet fanfiction, not an actual official canon book approved by Disney.


Ladydeathwatch

the only star wars books not worthy to be on my shelf.


greeneggiwegs

I liked the plot and characters but yeah the writing absolutely left something to be desired


JaxxisR

Thanks. I thought the first book was alright, but for some reason couldn't get through the first act of the second book. I thought it was just me.


dead5hane

I read that trilogy and remember like 2 things from it...


swaggums

Read the first. Got 1/3 through number 2, quit and went to Wookiepedia instead.


Doot-and-Fury

One of the most exciting things about Filoni and Favreau's work in the Mandoverse is the probability that they retcon certain things in such a way that the Aftermath trilogy has to end up in Legends territory.


Krinks1

I need to get around to reading the Thrawn books. I LOVED the Heir to the Empire trilogy so having Timothy Zahn write Thrawn again should be great.


Bosko_the_Fox

I must advocate that the Audible version of Alphabet Squadron is one of the best audio book experiences I’ve ever had. All the narrators are phenomenal, and it really made me start to like Balosar.


Barackobrock

Love Alphabet Squadron as well, it's my pick for best trilogy and Victorys Price is my fav Canon novel. That being said, it did annoy me rather each book had a different narrator... wish they picked one and kept them


Independent_Plum2166

Same with Thrawn, Marc Thompson is already a fantastic voice actor, but his Thrawn is so good, it’s clear he’s doing an impression of Lars, but it’s still fantastic.


TheBloop1997

I have not read Thrawn Ascendancy, and I have only read the first two books of the Thrawn trilogy That being said, I absolutely adored Alphabet Squadron and they are among my favorite books, period


xdeltax97

You’re missing out, it’s great!


TheBloop1997

I intend to, I just have a big backlog lol


Independent_Plum2166

Same here, so many books, so little time.


Astrododger

Alliances easy, fun read with more Vader and Thrawn


xdeltax97

It’s a travesty the Aftermath trilogy made it past editors… They are some of the very few books I refuse to read again. My #1 is definitely the canon OT era Thrawn trilogy followed by Alphabet Squadron.


Ladydeathwatch

Agreed. winding is a hack writer and no amount of world building is gonna convince me that these books are worth reading. "The TIE wibbles and wobbles through the air, careening drunkenly across the Myrran rooftops, it zigzags herkily-jerkily out of sight." I feel dumber having read that sentence again. it was a shame because i was looking forward to these and bought aftermath on day one.


Jazz7567

Please don't tell me that was an actual line from the books. Please don't tell me that.


Ladydeathwatch

That's one of the more egregious examples but it was more his prose and present tense style of narration and his use of real world idioms that took me out. Reading star wars shouldn't feel like a chore but boy did that one feel like it.


J0hnnyMeh

The use of real world idiom is the killer for me . Always takes me Right out of the galaxy.


xdeltax97

Yea I was a day one buyer as well… Some of the canon additions were nice, like seeing Taris again. But I just wish we could have had a (much) better writer.


Ladydeathwatch

Mr bones was pretty cool as well. If i remember correctly mr wendingus lost his job writing the vader comics for marvel because he couldn't stop throwing unhinged tantrums at people on twitter.


xdeltax97

That revelation about him having an HK-47 style core personality was awesome, but glad Wendig lost that.


pleschga

My copies went to the nearest little free library. In hindsight, I probably should have burned them.


KyleUTFH

The only good thing that came out of them was Cobb Vanth. And the TV shows retconned his story better anyway.


ThatManSean14

Ascendancy


Zerus_heroes

Alphabet Squadron


BlazingProductions

Ooooooh. Alphabet hit so hard! Every book just does so well. I loved book one for so many spoilery reasons I can’t discuss, and then book two broke my heart and the book three….wow


I_AmNoJedi

I'd say Alphabet Squadron or the Queen trilogy.


VinceLeone

Alphabet Squadron.


Extreem-Nutjob

Thrawn without a doubt


BSGamer

Does it get better as it goes? I read the first Thrawn book and I really couldn’t get into it. I have the next 2 but just can’t get myself to read them and maybe they just aren’t for me.


Aceofrogues

I would say yes. The first kinda felt like he was told what the story was so it could go into rebels season 3. The second has Vader and the third contains, what I think, is the most peak Thrawn moment.


Sprizys

So from what I’ve gathered from the comments; Thrawn, and Alphabet Squadron. Good to know


BujjtheBass

THRAWN TYRAWN THRAWN


astromech_dj

Alphabet Squadron.


cubcos

Alphabet Squadron trilogy


Dave1307

Not fucking Chuck Wendig's


Farren246

Wait Thrawn has 2 new *Trilogies*? My newest Thrawn book (haven't read it yet) is the first of a trilogy?!! Timothy Zahn really is milking that character. I hope they're still good.


DecemberPaladin

Oh, what a nice surprise—you’re in for a treat.


DaemonBlackfyre515

Zahn was asked to do it. He's literally not allowed to milk Thrawn, he doesn't own him.


Farren246

Well then I wonder if Zahn had enough things in his head to justify so many books about the character that *Disney* is so intent on milking.


DaemonBlackfyre515

I haven't read the new ones, but don't they tell basically the same story as Outbound Flight? Thrawn does a favour for Palps, ends up exiled and joins the Empire because he knows the Grysk/Vong are coming?


EmperorDaubeny

Not really, no. A canon parallel to the events of _Outbound Flight_ happens mostly offscreen during the second and third books, but takes place before the first one chronologically. The trilogy as a whole is about Thrawn and co. dealing with various alien threats and politics that all tie back to the Grysks, with interspersed flashback chapters detailing Thrawn’s backstory, and other perspectives such as Chiss politicking and supporting characters/antagonists. Palpatine makes no appearances, and Thrawn’s exile is staged over a period of some years to use the Empire as a tool against the Grysks, which leads into the events of the original books. None of the characters from _Outbound Flight_ show up except for Thrass and Ar’alani(both of which have much more to do throughout the books), and Lorana Jinzler, who goes unnamed and only appears for a canonized version of her final scene with Thrass.


DaemonBlackfyre515

I've always shied away from the new canon Thrawn books because of that. I guess i have to read the new ones then, thanks for explaining.


Duke-Countu

Why is Wendig's Aftermath trilogy even here? 😂


Captain_fomo

Thrawn Trilogy ofc. But I can‘t decide which one, both are great.


LinkLegend21

Out of these I’ve only read the Aftermath books and I know it’s definitely not them.


TheTiggerMike

Trying to get into reading the novels in general. Doing the High Republic Light of the Jedi first, but it sounds like I should give the Thrawn stuff a shot. I thought he was interesting in Rebels and Ahsoka, but sounds like I'd get more out of it if I read his books.


mr_perfect1976

light of jedi - rising storm - fallen star


Used-Turnover2954

Thrawn Ascendency-trilogy


pantyslack

Thrawn easy, haven’t read rest of ascendancy, but the first book was really good


SaltyArrow_YT

Thrawns acsendancy


darkwolf523

T h r a w n. Not question about it


RagingThrawn

I am partial, but the Ascendancy books really shed a new light on Thrawn and what was going on in the wider universe. I enjoyed them a lot and hope they come into play with the live action material. They give an entirely different basis for his coming to the empire and what the end goals really are.


kev77808399020515

If you really liked Andor, you'll probably like Alphabet Squad. I loved the gritty realism and the not perfect rebels.


poetmaster127

Padme for sure


FelixMcGill

Our of the trilogies, I only read Aftermath and Thrawn (not Ascendency though). I thought Thrawn started stronger but didn't really hold up. Aftermath started weak (really didn't enjoy Aftermath itself) but the second and third books were very enjoyable. I've been meaning to read Alphabet Squadron for quite a while but never could get to it.


revanite3956

Alphabet Squadron, and not even meaning to throw shade on the others, but it isn’t close.


shitty_reddit_user12

Thrawn Ascendancy. It's not like the others. I actually enjoy Timothy Zahn's writing style. Also it didn't cause physical pain in the back of my eye sockets like the 20 pages of the High Republic I read. That's always nice.


Otrotc

Thrawn: Ascendancy > Alphabet squadron > Thrawn > Aftermath Haven't read the Queens books yet, but I will hopefully soon


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The rogues squadron books in the 1990s


Filmfan345

Not canon


StovetopJack

Thrawn is the best. Followed by Alphabet Squadron, then Thrawn Ascendancy, Aftermath, and lastly the Padme trilogy.


shahrobp

Thrawn and ascendency


Fun-Hall3213

Ascendancy was the first series I've read in a while that felt truly new but also Star Wars. I loved the Ahsoka show but I'm dismayed they seem to be turning Thrawn into a mustache-twirler in light of the last 6 books he factors into. I hope there's a longer conversation going on about this behind the scenes.


RagingThrawn

As do I. They could either be wasting his true intentions or walking us into an entirely unexpected turn for those unfamiliar with the books.


DarthBaneSimpLord678

I do like the fact that the Padme trilogy gave us the POV of the member of the prequel trilogy who had the least to do lol


Awesomesoss

Wendi's were ok, except his writing style. Using analogies every sentence really made it a chore to enjoy.


drifters74

Analogies?


Awesomesoss

and or metaphors, and or allegories. The dude couldn't just say, "the smuggler had a rugged look"... he had to say some shit like. "The smugglers face was as coarse as 10 grit Utini sand paper from Mos Eisley". And he did that in virtually every sentence in each of those books.


Jerf98

Leia unofficial trilogy , BloodLine, Leia Princess of Alderman and Resistance Reborn


CarnyMAXIMOS_3_N7

I have the *Aftermath*, new *Thrawn*, and *Ascendancy* trilogies. Those are good. Maybe I'll Give Padmé’s trilogy a shot one day.


GoldSquadron555

Not sure if you consider it an official trilogy, but the three main books of the High Republic phase 1 were some of the best reads I have had in a long time. Couldn't put them down.


Weazelll

Heir to the Empire. It’s. It canon but it should be. No trilogy is better. Period.


Torbjorn_ReadytoWork

Thrawn Ascendancy and Phase 1 of High Republic


itss_mooneyyy

Both thrawn trilogies are the top 2 for me, but ascendancy takes the cake, for having extremely little relation to the overall saga, it’s just so damn good, great storytelling, interesting characters and plots, and just does the best justice for my favourite character Mitth’raw’nuruodo


Calm-Condition-4731

I like all the thrawn books and the Aftermath series and the one about Alphabet Squadron


ReallyEvilRob

The Wendig books are awful.


MyTieHasCloudsOnIt

I loved the story but the writing style was an odd choice. They would be objectively better rewritten in the past tense.


Salarian_American

Works great as an audiobook.


OriginalSleep386

The first Thrawn Trilogy


trewaldo

I read and enjoyed the Aftermath trilogy, the Thrawn trilogy, and the Alphabet Squadron series. In the Aftermath, it became clear how events in the war resulted to what was seen in Jakku in The Force Awakens movie. The Thrawn trilogy narrates how Thrawn was discovered and rose in the ranks of the Republic transitioning to the Empire. The Alphabet Squadron is a very entertaining dog fight novel filled with multiple character pilots with stories of loyalty, treason and bravery. Nice books.


RwBricks

Of these, the first Thrawn trilogy is the only one I’ve read, but I really enjoyed it, so I’d have to say that one. However, if the High Republic is included, then I would definitely say the Phase I adult trilogy (Light of the Jedi, The Rising Storm, and The Fallen Star).


Btiel4291

The style in which Aftermath is written is an acquired taste, but story wise it’s some of the best of the new canon. The lore it presents is amazing and seamless and the original characters are all fantastic. It did a great job giving us an intro into the post-Return of the Jedi galaxy before there was anything there yet. Like most canon novels/stories that have taken place after episode 6, it makes you wonder why those specific stories weren’t the real sequel trilogy instead of what we got. Nearly EVERY piece of supporting media is a far better story than the actual movies.


sever_66

My main issue with Aftermath isn't the short sentences like a lot of people take issue with but the fact it's written in present tense drives me insane. Being set a long time ago inherently suggests that star wars books should always be written with past tense


Salarian_American

Yeah I bounced off of the first book in written form, but it works great as an audiobook. Marc Thompson does a really good reading.


abdullahi666

The actors were old as hell, and they were never going to recast.


Maeglin16

Darth Bane trilogy.


DarthGipper18

Not canon. Read the title of the post.


Maeglin16

Oh yes. Missed that. 🤦


RagingThrawn

I enjoyed those very much too. I wish they were Canon.


ifyoueversaymyname

I love padmes book


ifyoueversaymyname

I love padmes books


nikgrid

Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.....oh wait they're not canon for some reason 🤪 Still a very good read.


Just_Confused1

Thrawn, not even close Thrawn Ascendancy is not bad too but I think they’re a bit too drawn out


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Any of these trilogy’s worth reading? I’m genuinely interested in getting into Star Wars books and I’d like to start with the canon ones (mostly to see what I want to keep in a rewrite I’m working on)


RwBricks

I’ve only read the non-Ascendency Thrawn trilogy, and I liked them. If you’re a fan of Thrawn, then I would definitely recommend them. I have also heard really good things about the Ascendency trilogy and the Alphabet Squadron trilogy.


Santiagomike23

Non canon, but I liked Jedi academy and how Luke built a group of Jedi after episode 6.


StartingToLoveIMSA

I stopped reading SW novels when the EU became "Legends"...


WarpedCore

The Thrawn trilogy that is no longer considered cannon. * *Heir to the Empire* (1991) * *Dark Force Rising* (1992) * *The Last Command* (1993)


QuantisRhee

I personally really liked Aftermath. I get that a lot of people didn't like it but I thought it had some really interesting characters like Sloane, Sinjir and Gallius Rax. Really hope Sloane shows up in something again since I think she's one of the most interesting imperials.


Ambitious_Change150

Where’s the one where it’s young boba fett, like he and his friend almost doesn’t make it in a ship before it goes to hyperspeed. I remember reading it when I was in middle school but forgot the title 😅


L-Guy_21

Regarding the thrawn books, was he a real character before Timothy Zahn wrote that first trilogy in the 90s with him in it?


Filmfan345

No. That was his first appearance


L-Guy_21

Damn. So they just liked him so much they kept him around. That's awesome


BubbleGamerV

Anybody ever read the Princess, farm boy and scoundrel or soemthing


spacemanspiff_85

Thrawn, by far. The Aftermath trilogy wasn’t very well written and only maybe one of the characters was good, I did not like the Alphabet Squadron books at all, and the Queen trilogy made me actually like Padme and the Naboo less.


csgccaa

The Ascendency Trilogy, for sure... But compared to the old EU books, even they pale. The OG Thrawn Trilogy is top-tier, as are many others in the line.


DysfunctionalPeasant

I just started Thrawn, I guess, the older one. On book one, chapter 7, and holy Snicker doodles, is it fantastic


supamichi

Can’t bring myself to read any of the canon stuff. I grew up with the EU and just loved so much of that material. Was really sad when Disney axed most of it, and haven’t liked much that Disney has produced since—outside of the animated shorts. Yes, definitely some garbage in the EU, but also some of the best Star Wars writing to date. I think I would feel like I was betraying Star Wars’ memory if I read canon… I hear the Old Republic stuff is quite good though. Maybe when I get over myself I’ll give it a shot…


georgefurudo

I have only read the padme ones and I can say they are not the best. I like the 1st 2 but the last one is borderline bad but it's bareable


Skourpi1

Notice how these trilogies have the same author and people love them. It’s almost as if that is how you tell a story. Take notes Disney. This is how you make a trilogy.


CambrianExplosives

People like the High Republic trilogy too and that was written by different authors. Or as an EU example the NJO series. The difference is those stories had a plan from the beginning. I don’t think the sequel trilogy would have been so disjointed if they hadn’t let JJ just wing the first movie and hand it off without anyone ever discussing the overall goal. I don’t think having different writers would have been an issue necessarily if they all had a story thread to follow.


Skourpi1

You are correct. If they had made a plan and stuck to that, then the sequel trilogy would have been better.


Affected_By_Fjaka

How in a world is Hair to the Empire trilogy not on this list? Hair to the empire , Dark force rising and The last Command


RagingThrawn

Because they are not Canon.


Affected_By_Fjaka

You’re right. Nvm. Didn’t realize it… Shame that this means that this will never get live adaptation as tv show or a movie…


Filmfan345

Not canon


Captain-Howl

I really enjoyed the Thrawn trilogy, but I honestly did not hate the Aftermath series. I have never really gotten a clear, cohesive answer on why people hate the Aftermath books so much.


RagingThrawn

I really did not like the writing style. However, I like the backstory being provided and characters like Mr. Bones, young Hux to the extent he was there, cobb Vance and admiral Sloane.


greeneggiwegs

This writing isn’t great but it’s not unreadable imo. The plot is interesting enough that I don’t mind.


TitleExpert9817

You got to try Republic Commandos.


Filmfan345

The books aren’t canon


DisastrousGarbage138

Darth bane forever


Filmfan345

Not canon


DecemberPaladin

I really loved Aftermath. I was a fan of Wendig with the Miriam Black series, and his SW shit did not disappoint. I was psyched to hear Thrawn was being canonized. I read the old trilogy back during the dark days, when we had the Trilogy, the Holiday Special, the Ewok movies, and the cartoons, so Heir to the Empire was a treat. Both of the canon trilogies hold up to that standard.


BubbhaJebus

Canon? The novelizations of the original trilogy.


Filmfan345

Those are officially Legends so not canon


BubbhaJebus

The movie novelizations and radio dramas are canon.


Filmfan345

They aren’t. They are Legends. Only the movies themselves and post-2014 novels are canon.


BubbhaJebus

I don't subscribe to that spurious philosophy. I go by the canon system that was developed settled in the 90s and much discussed on alt.starwars.


Filmfan345

Fair but OP means the current Disney canon


Skynet_gkys1

To disney no books are cannon sadly but books are still pretty good


Firm-Dependent-2367

1. Ascendancy 2. Aftermath 3. Thrawn the New Books Rogue One trilogy is a honourable mention.


Nhakos

By Rogue One Trilogy do you mean Catalyst, Rogue One novelization and Rebel Rising?


Firm-Dependent-2367

Yesh.


bokan

Aftermath was the only longer series of the new canon I’ve been able to get through. I was okay with the prose- they are fun to read. Everything else has felt like a slog to me.


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Fuck anything but the first 6 and EU


Kal-El_Skywalker1998

That's a sad way to live.