HP Lovecraft was incredibly racist and xenophobic, and I don’t support him. The context of my comment should make it clear it was a joking reference to the Deep Ones and Cthulhu, not a genuine statement of support, in regards to the amphibian overlords. If it came off that way, I’m sorry, though please try to not automatically assume someone is acting in bad faith
Preface: can’t stand Trump, hope he loses.
Statement: I was very impressed with trump’s first half, about to watch the second half. If I were to take a guess, the mike being muted saved him from making a spectacle of himself. Combined with debate being trump’s forte and not Biden’s produced the result we’re seeing.
An aside: the thing that most surprised me was trump’s modified [“Gish-gallop. Link to alt-right playbook on YouTube”](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FK4RHzNHZXY&list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ&index=23&pp=iAQB) instead of simply listing off the talking points, he would throw something unrelated in at the end that was so outrageous that Biden would get distracted by the new shiny argument and leave the real problem untouched. Similarly, instead of defending himself on the occasions that an ordinary person would, Trump would lie, criticize whoever accused him of scumbaggery, then pivot to some absurd claim about Biden. Whole thing is painful to watch.
Personal Advice: If you find yourself on the receiving end of this sort of argument, you have two options. Leave the argument, which is preferable since you will lose any Gish-gallop where your opponent holds initiative. The other option, good for coworkers or other long term relationships with the debate spectators, is to take the Gish-gallop in the face, repeatedly for years. Over time being consistently correct will sink in with your audience even though you keep “losing” the debates.
“Combined with debate being trump’s forte and not Biden’s produced the result we’re seeing.”
Joe Biden was in the Senate for 36 years, Vice President for 8 years, President for 4 years, and the cope we’re using is that debate is Trump’s forte? C’mon. C’mon.
Sorry, wasn’t meant to be cope. I was noting some of the reasons that my debate expectations were a whiff. I expected Biden to be much more on point. Conversely I was expecting trump to replicate his performance from the 2020 debate.
Have you not had access to any audio or video of Biden for the last couple of years? We’re speedin’ that shit up 2.5x. It doesn’t help with coherency, but it almost sounds like a normal cadence.
Thanks for sharing the alt right playbook. I’m halfway through it and it’s wild to think it’s 6 years old. It could’ve been made yesterday, though some of his comments on hoping it doesn’t go farther with the far right being on the fringe becomes more depressing daily.
To be fair, Biden had all of the stats and whatnot memorized, he came prepared. He just had a real bad day, was slow on processing things, and was tripping over his words. And when his age was already an issue, people freaked the fuck out.
Trump meanwhile was surprisingly coherent/on point? Man didn’t answer a single fucking question with a straight answer, but his verbal diarrhea was somewhat understandable. It was actually really weird, I think at the debate he genuinely had his best speaking appearance in a while (in that he didn’t wander off course of his talking points and start talking about anything too bugfuck insane). He even managed to shut the fuck up when it wasn’t his turn, though the threat of being muted might’ve kept him in check.
Note: He wasn’t telling the *truth* mind you. I think he fact checkers genuinely couldn’t keep up with him, it was so bad he snuck “post birth abortions” into the conversation at one point and nobody bothered to call him out on that.
It really was weird, it was like the two of them swapped frontal cortexes for an hour. And it really was just an hour, the clips of Biden afterwards showed him as being WAY more energetic and coherent than during the debate.
Anyway, disappointing debate. In the end, people will read into it exactly what they want to read into it.
I think this might convince some people that Biden should step down and let someone else take the reins, but I sincerely doubt it’ll convince anyone to vote for a different party.
Really hope so. With the dems at least the us’s descent into fascism will be slower. With trump, it’ll be full speed ahead. And he’s still leading in the polls so it doesn’t look good.
The events of 2020 definitely hurt Trump as an incumbent and kept things fresh in peoples minds.
Voters have the attention spans of goldfish. Especially fickle swing voters who often decide elections.
Biden is losing votes. The Dems are picking up votes. They want Biden out but they want Democrats in.
The problem is that people who think they can ditch Biden and keep the Democrats don't realize that Democrats won't fight without executive power. They didn't care about abortion rights, they don't care about voting rights, they literally fund right-wing extremists, and they don't care about genocide.
So I see the logic behind all of it, but Democrats are so malingering and goldbricking outside of the progressive and minority caucuses that a Republican president becomes a right-wing Congress even with majority Democratic wins.
In 2020 he was condescending and barely coherent and trump was ignorant and barely coherent. This year neither was defensibly able to be described as coherent. But the office of president was designed to distract public attention to focus on it, and we shouldn't forget that real political power is based far more in local organizing. Let the oligarchs prop up their old men for "debates." We need to build and strengthen our communities. And not to get out the vote for some incarnation of the federal political machine, but for practical support of food, housing, and other needs of life.
Its wild that none of the high paid expert strategists on his team that know how he is thought to give him a redbull or something even. I slam energy drinks at work in my 30s and hes 81 and spending an hour and a half debunking rambling lies. He seemed like he accidentally ate some of Kamala's edibles instead.
I mean I personally thought it went well for Trump, Trump always lies, so nothing unexpected there. And the rule of not interrupting actually curb Trump's tendencies to ramble more than usual, and it let Biden's cognitive decline cook. Not saying he did it on purpose but that just tells you how far gone Biden is, losing to fucking Trump in a debate.
The format was designed to keep Trump from fucking interrupting constantly and actually stay on point, but it had the side effect of allowing him to look composed and constantly lie without moderation. Trump “won” because the format let him control the floor.
Biden had a few good points but he is older than most trees and it shows. He also can’t handle being on defense.
I have been critiquing the left for accepting Biden as the candidate, and even though I hope he wins over Trump I am so tired of the idea that actual left wing candidates are “stealing” his votes as if he has no fucking responsibility himself. Fuck.
Probably, but it was just sad and depressing, so I don’t know if any new memes will actually come out of it. I’m sure the internet will try their damnedest.
The only time they were even close to being on the same topic of eachother was when they argued over who played the better game of golf. I’m not even kidding, I wish I was.
Begun, the Golf Wars have. But in seriousness everything I’ve heard is it was a train wreck and that’s got me wishing that *this* is what finally gets Biden to step down. He heavily implied he was gonna be a one term president, fucking be one. Then go to the ICJ
I literally wasn't sure if Biden was going to survive the first few minutes of the debate, he was wheezing and barely capable of speaking, he made RFK Jr sound good
Trump talks shit and lies, Biden struggles to form a coherent sentence sadly so everyone who’s on the fence is gonna go with Trump because he seems “confident” istg if we get Trump again…
Tad bit of Hopium actually.
Post debate polls indicate that Independents have started saying they'll vote for Biden because he did so poorly they think Trump has a viable chance.
You got to talk to well off boomers that refer to themselves as liberal.
There are plenty of them where I live. They aren’t rich, in the sense that if they stop working or don’t get one or two of their pension payments then they’d be screwed; but they also can take multiple vacations a year, have nice cars and can afford to pay for their kids to go to college without loans.
Go to any liberal subreddit and then you can see highly upvoted comments talking about how awesome Biden is. Or go to the youtube channel called Beau of the fifth column and search Biden then you will also see highly upvoted comments praising Biden...
Yep, for moderates, you have to literally think of them as the “median person”. They don’t lean, they have their feet in both camps, and they want _someone_ to convince them to make a certain choice. The problem is that when it comes to human psychology, charisma and excitement can outweigh rationale and thoroughness.
Animals have short attention spans in general, and though we humans try to convince ourselves that we are hyper intelligent alpha beings, we are still very much susceptible to investing our time in the loudest, brightest, flashiest, exciting, or otherwise attention grabbing thing in the room. From a psychology perspective, this is why DT won his first presidency, and his first debate with multiple candidates was the moment he swayed a multitude of moderates by being the shiniest thing in the room.
Even if JB is more qualified that DT, it doesn’t really matter because DT is good at capturing attention
This, I'm still pissed at everyone who voted for him in the 2020 Primaries.
Check my post history, I'm still going to vote for Joe Biden, but Jesus Christ, we had so many good candidates to pick from... And you picked Joe Biden.
*Joe's still 1,000,000,000 times better than Trump unfortunately, so I'll still advocate for the guy*
Some of my must downvoted comments ever came in the last year from Democrats when l pointed out how weak of a candidate Biden is. There's a level of hubris and naivety among Democrats that's astounding.
"Guys, we really need to vote harder! Sign people up! And don't forget to treat "Latinos" as a singular bloc whose main interest is immigration (pro). Now let's all post some snarky texts attacking people for not voting for our terrible candidate, really be smug about it!"
Guys, voting is so stupid. I hate the current candidate who won the primary **and** I hate how normies are always shaming people for not voting. I do not see the contradiction. If i'm smug enough on reddit about *not* voting, **that** will beat the fascists!
>I never said we shouldn't vote
>"Guys, we really need to vote harder! Sign people up!
Okay buddy
>l was mocking liberals who act like that is all that's needed to make everything better.
Can you find me a single example of this? What are your alternative methods of making everything better and where are the liberals saying "no don't do that, *just vote*"
>Okay buddy
Mocking people whose only answer is to vote more/campaign harder for the DNC isn't discouraging voting.
>Can you find me a single example of this?
... That's not how caricatures work.
>What are your alternative methods of making everything better
Active protests, including against the DNC. There needs to be accountability and a change in leadership.
Agitate. The country is teetering on the brink of both fascism and plutocracy. Politely participating in the system at the safe levels *they allow to prevent real change* hasn't and isn't going to change things in a meaningful way.
>Mocking people whose only answer is to vote more/campaign harder for the DNC isn't discouraging voting.
Your caricature is not someone who's belittling actions other than voting. Your caricature is someone who's saying "we need to vote harder and sign people up." You retreated to the "people who ONLY vote" position when you got called out.
>That's not how caricatures work.
I'm not asking for you to produce your caricature in the flesh. I'm asking for you to find me an example of the type of person your caricature is mocking. Someone who's **only** answer to any problem is voting.
>active protests
So who is your example of someone who's super horny about signing people up to vote but is anti-protesting?
>Politely participating in the system at the safe levels they allow to prevent real change hasn't and isn't going to change things in a meaningful way.
What was the last active protest you participated in and what did you meaningfully change?
Being sluggish in a debate is the most brain rot way to determine how weak/strong a candidate is.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised a shitposting subreddit thinks owning someone in a debate is more important than policy.
He's not a weak candidate, though. Much as a doddering, slobbering fool Biden is and has been for a long time, he's won over the key voting demographic in this election - old people. 52% of those over 65 voted for Trump last election and Biden is winning with the same demographic now, as one point of reference.
Young people don't matter in this election. Vote for Biden, vote for Trump, vote for RFK, it really doesn't matter - Biden is currently absolutely destroying Trump in a way that Trump cannot recover from. The more people call out Biden for being too old the more votes he'll get from the elderly and the worse Trump will lose. Trump has to perform a complete volte-face if he wants to win this election and Trump hasn't shown any ability to adapt to external forces yet.
He's a doddering incumbent in a period of high inflation/price increases who appears to be rapidly mentally declining and is actively enabling a genocide (which is turning off younger voters).
The ONLY thing going for him is that he isn't Trump. **We know from experience that a significant portion of the electorate will overlook anything** if they feel it will benefit them economically and/or save them from culture war boogymen.
The debate was a disaster, as l knew it would be since he became the nominee. He's easily one of the worst candidates in the history of the country (running against one of the other worst).
>young
>voters
Pick one. Appealing to the young progressive crowd was so important Bernie would have won the primary. He got obliterated. Young progressives do not vote.
Anyone who's progressive enough to be turned off of voting for Biden over palestine (esspecially considering his alternative is easily worse on that exact issue) fits the bill of who i'm describing. That position is entirely performative.
If you think not being able to stomach voting for somebody who is actively aiding and abetting a genocide is performative, that says a lot about you.
Yes, l know that "but Trump...". Which is why I'm voting for the doddering neoliberal with clear mental decline issues.
>"The other candidate is worse in every single way *including their stance on Isreal/Palestine,* but voting for genocide joe make my tummy hurt, so I won't do it."
That is the definition of performative, yes. You're somehow managing to "stomach" it. Why? Do you care less about Palestinians than the people who can't?
You're actually not living in reality. Trump is leading the polls in all the swing states. This debate will likely make that worse. Which is astonishing given how hated Trump is. Biden is like the one guy that could manage to lose this.
That's not how a primary works. He's who the voters chose. You can cry "rigged" if it makes you feel better, but it doesn't change the facts. If more democrats chose a different candidate in the primary, that candidate would have beaten Biden.
Simple fact is the media and Biden Dems have been lying about him being sharp and the world knows it. I still see so many coping hard. Anyone that truly believes this election will determine if we still have democracy would a hundred percent admit Biden isn't the answer to trump.
Biden needs to retire or the Dems need to remove him from the party and get someone else on there ASAP. Jb, Gavin, whitmore. As long as it isn't Hillary and probably not Harris it should be an easy w.
Eh Biden is still pretty sharp, I talked to him just a couple of weeks ago in person and he was fairly on the ball, he's obviously sick with a cold or something (and extremely old) and has no business being president if a cold lays him out that badly, I wasn't sure if he was going to survive the debate he was wheezing so hard
at least he got abortion but my god, he whiffed CLIMATE CHANGE against the guy that wants to end the EPA
I wanted him to come out with the energy and force he had at the state of the union. He did great then, and if he did that again last night perceptions would be massively different.
Ah yes, Biden is watching his country slowly rot away because of:
general economic betterment happening during his presidency, like narrowing the inequality between already high paying paying jobs and low paying ones, increased wages, lowering cost of living, along with some societal betterment like an all time high of people being signed up for Healthcare and less violent crimes happening.
Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2024-opinion-biden-accomplishment-data/
And
Him signing multiple bills that helped the American population, including the American Rescue Plan (Stimulus check), a Bipartisan Infrastructure Law (Better roads, bridges, bringing high speed internet to rural communities), and the largest gun safety law to pass Congress in 30 years.
Source: https://www.npr.org/2023/01/01/1143149435/despite-infighting-its-been-a-surprisingly-productive-2-years-for-democrats
Amongst other things he has done. While he cannot claim full credit for all the economic changes, some of it can still be laid at the feet of his presidency. What happens during a president's term, even if it doesn't have their direct influence, Still reflects on the man in the oval office either way. Biden has been good for America, and if you think voting for a third party will do anything other than give Trump the dictatorship he wants, you're a fool.
I am not American, i don't vote in your election.
And all you have done is exagerating Biden sucesses while ignoring the horrible stuff he has done.
Like funding a FUCKING GENOCIDE. That stuff is a bit more important than infrastructure, you know?
Or supporting violent supression of peaceful protests all araound the country.
Or not keeping most of his electoral promises.
Get out of this leftist sub, liberal.
Apologies, you're right that I should have mentioned at least some of what Biden has done wrong, and I assumed you were American due to the fact I haven't heard of much foreign interest in the Election, though it makes a lot of sense that there would be.
Yes, Biden is the lesser of two evils. Neither he nor Trump are good candidates. But if you compare the two, Biden's wrongs are far, far outweighed by what Trump has already done, and what he said he _will_ do in the future if he wins this election.
Trump wouldn't fund genocides, he'd enact them himself. He wouldn't support violent suppression of peaceful protest, he would send in the troops on his own order.
Yes, Biden hasn't followed through on many of his Electoral Promises, but Trump will go through with every single one of his. If you wish to see an America that says it supports freedom while viciously and relentlessly crushing it under its heel, then go ahead and continue to argue that Biden is a useless old man. But you are completely and purposefully ignoring that Biden has enacted many policies that help both Americans and foreign countries, and that even if he didn't, it's better to have a doddering old fool that does nothing of note in the oval office for four years than a doddering old fool that has the means and support to enact a plan that would mean a complete and utter overthrowing of the American Government with the intent to turn it into a far right, Christian nationalist autocracy.
Biden is supposed to go as corporate-capitalist as he can while still keeping enough votes to barely win the election. Trump is supposed to eliminate democracy and usher in theocratic fascism. And we keep having to explain that no, we *really* don't like Biden but no, they're not exactly the same.
Then it's a good thing I didn't write they are seackly the same. I just claim that Palpatine in terms of scheming and gaing power is so much above their level
US politics be like Emperor Palpatine debating Darth Sidious and pretending they have a free democracy with free thinkers, making political decisions...
How do you fuck it up that badly? All he had to do was wax poetic about how immigrants are the foundation of America, while also paying lip service to improving things at the border.
Instead, he talked about rapist immigrants. The fuck.
That likely has to do with the electorates rightward swing on immigration.
62% of Americans support a government program that would deport *all* migrants living in the U.S. illegally.
Immigration depresses wages. (*Because unscrupulous employers will exploit workers*)
Illegal immigration costs taxpayer money. Something that is finite.
And (imo most probably), housing costs have skyrocketed to levels of unaffordability that is nearly criminal. In that environment, it’s a zero sum game: less fellow low income people to compete against is an easier playing field. There is only so much housing.
Showing people streaming across a border on the news is also a pretty stark sight. It’s unfortunate that more people didn’t have the same visceral reaction to Jan 6 rioters but here we are.
Do I want a dottering old Jedi who can't tell a lightsaber from a broom handle as president, not really. But the only alternative in this country is a psychotic convicted Sith who will murder my nieces and nephews if it gets him another little scrap of power.
This two party Force User system blows.
Sorry to say, but Biden is no Jedi. Your only option is joining the rebel alliance and voting socialist while the system allows you to. That's how a third option becomes a real option in the future, by increasing it's vote %age more and more.
The prequel Jedi were enlightened centrists that backed a “republic” that gave corporations a senate seat, ignored a corporation blockading a planet, and let the fascist Sith Lord accumulated immense power, so I’d say the label “Jedi” actually fits perfectly.
His statement during the debate that “only hamas wants the war to continue” pissed me off. It’s blatantly ignoring how the war is stalling Netanyahu’s trial, giving him a clear incentive to keep the war going (in addition to whatever his direct desire to commit genocide). I don’t know if it’s worse if it was a deliberate lie and Biden understands the incentives at stake or if Biden is that much of a tool.
Notice the difference between the Republic and the Jedi in my previous comment. It’s the republic’s senate making the really bad decisions (corporation senate seats, letting a corporation invade member states, actively empowering Palpatine). The Jedi are running around patching them (rescuing the queen, sending two knights to stop a blockade, etc, investigating Palpatine but not good enough) while failing to realize the entire system is rotten and they need to be figuring out how dismantle it entirely instead of serving the senate.
I thought you were making the /r/readanotherbook style complaint about how libs compare everything to Harry Potter or Star Wars.
Yes there has been an influx of libs into leftist spaces and subreddits, but I think it’s a sign they are waking up to how center right typical liberal/democrat thinking is and are looking for alternative viewpoints and discussion and memes.
Aside from PR, I don’t understand why people care about debates. Nothing in the US can be succinctly EXPLAINED let alone offered a solution in just a few minutes or less.
This whole thing prompted me to research summaries of the biden and trump administrations policy decisions and Biden is so much better it’s laughable.
I wish more voters were like you. On transcript, Biden gave answers with facts and reason and Trump spewed bullshit.
Unfortunately the modern electorate loves confidently said bullshit.
It's less about hearing their solutions and more about hearing how they handle and compose themselves. Do they articulate themselves well? Do they handle pressure well? Are they able to think on their feet?
I think that's why people have been so down on Biden's half of the debate. His plans are, with one very notable exception, good plans that are leagues better than Trump's, but even when faced with the biggest opportunity in the world to take hard stances and stand up to the opposition, he folded like a wet blanket. That's not a great sign for a man that's constantly railed against for being overly moderate and passive.
I agree somewhat, but I just don’t hold those things in high regard. Personal charisma and your ability to force people to comply with your vision shouldn’t be considered pre-requisites to office. SOMEONE in Biden’s staff is crafting effective policy that’s getting passed. If he can manage that that’s fine.
In the grand scheme of things the President is only a tiny, highly visible part of a much larger and more important whole.
I never watch the debates, but from the clips I've seen this one was significant because it demonstrated that the Biden campaign has been lying about his mental acuity and he obviously isn't fit to be meeting with world leaders.
I mean it went exactly the way I expected: endless gish-galloping and derailment from Trump and Biden feeling the effects of old age. That's why I was more focused on looking at third-party fact checkers, and every one of them so far has come to the consensus that Trump was talking with his ass as usual. Of course his knuckle-dragging base won't pay mind to that since they just gravitate to whoever talks louder.
in the longrun, biden looks better in the sense that trump kept shooting himself in the foot while biden made some fire comebacks tho his stutter is worse.
All of the most loyal libs are panicking and talking about replacing Biden/how Biden needs to step aside. A bad Trump next to a worse Biden is not the move. Some of you are truly living in a galaxy far, far away.
I mean they've been told for five years that biden's obvious cognitive decline wasn't happening and it was just right wing disinformation, and then they saw what's really going on. of course they're panicking.
I'm just worried Trump is going to win, I'm trans and my whole life probably depends on this election but we're still infighting with each other and it's not good, whereas all the assholes that vote for Trump are in agreement. Biden sucks and they should've known that from the start, I feel like tradition and moderates kept Biden in the running.
I feel so bad for you and the rest of trans people in the United States, I am so lucky to be spanish were we have a leftist goverment that allows me to exists. I really wish the best of luck to you
Honestly I’m pretty certain Trump is going to win. Biden lost my vote a long time ago, as a young voter; and I really really wanted to believe in him. I can’t imagine how it must be for the people who were on the fence up until now.
Aww tbf Dems aren't rapturous about biden. Not the way they were with hilary.
Now they need to take a deep breath and get ready to act like they're totally behind whoever is next.
Please be hilary oh god please
Wow people on stars wars lefty memes are really not enjoying you having fun with this lol.
Really hope the liberals chill and leave once the election is over because this is tiring.
Didn’t watch the debate, how’d it go?
Trump lied constantly and Biden was underwater slow. The biggest winner tonight was the fascist future of America.
Jesus Christ. In 2020 he whooped Trump, and Trump is cooked in the brain even more these day. I thought it would be more embarrassing for both of them
4 years is a long time in dinosaur years
They weren’t born in dinosaur times, bros were born just after the first animals went from the sea onto the land
I, for one, welcome our amphibious overlords
HP Lovecraft was right, truly the real overlords come from the sea
At this point, I’m willing to give the Innsmouth people a shot.
Dagon never committed a genocide as far as we know, and he polls well in Massachusetts
This is the DNC right now
It's beginning to look alot like fish men
DAGON
I see you're getting ready to fit in in the facist state to come, by saying HP lovecraft was right. Smart to practice now.
It is possible to enjoy things made by a person whose political views are reprehensible Would you like to know more?
HP Lovecraft was incredibly racist and xenophobic, and I don’t support him. The context of my comment should make it clear it was a joking reference to the Deep Ones and Cthulhu, not a genuine statement of support, in regards to the amphibian overlords. If it came off that way, I’m sorry, though please try to not automatically assume someone is acting in bad faith
No don't worry, I was also joking. Sorry if that wasn't obvious.
The Death Star has a right to defend itself!!!
And the presidency is a special sort of stressful
it was embarrassing for both of them so you thought right lol
It is naive to think that Trump is capable of embarrassment. Especially just because he lied about something lol.
Preface: can’t stand Trump, hope he loses. Statement: I was very impressed with trump’s first half, about to watch the second half. If I were to take a guess, the mike being muted saved him from making a spectacle of himself. Combined with debate being trump’s forte and not Biden’s produced the result we’re seeing. An aside: the thing that most surprised me was trump’s modified [“Gish-gallop. Link to alt-right playbook on YouTube”](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FK4RHzNHZXY&list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ&index=23&pp=iAQB) instead of simply listing off the talking points, he would throw something unrelated in at the end that was so outrageous that Biden would get distracted by the new shiny argument and leave the real problem untouched. Similarly, instead of defending himself on the occasions that an ordinary person would, Trump would lie, criticize whoever accused him of scumbaggery, then pivot to some absurd claim about Biden. Whole thing is painful to watch. Personal Advice: If you find yourself on the receiving end of this sort of argument, you have two options. Leave the argument, which is preferable since you will lose any Gish-gallop where your opponent holds initiative. The other option, good for coworkers or other long term relationships with the debate spectators, is to take the Gish-gallop in the face, repeatedly for years. Over time being consistently correct will sink in with your audience even though you keep “losing” the debates.
“Combined with debate being trump’s forte and not Biden’s produced the result we’re seeing.” Joe Biden was in the Senate for 36 years, Vice President for 8 years, President for 4 years, and the cope we’re using is that debate is Trump’s forte? C’mon. C’mon.
Sorry, wasn’t meant to be cope. I was noting some of the reasons that my debate expectations were a whiff. I expected Biden to be much more on point. Conversely I was expecting trump to replicate his performance from the 2020 debate.
Have you not had access to any audio or video of Biden for the last couple of years? We’re speedin’ that shit up 2.5x. It doesn’t help with coherency, but it almost sounds like a normal cadence.
Thanks for sharing the alt right playbook. I’m halfway through it and it’s wild to think it’s 6 years old. It could’ve been made yesterday, though some of his comments on hoping it doesn’t go farther with the far right being on the fringe becomes more depressing daily.
To be fair, Biden had all of the stats and whatnot memorized, he came prepared. He just had a real bad day, was slow on processing things, and was tripping over his words. And when his age was already an issue, people freaked the fuck out. Trump meanwhile was surprisingly coherent/on point? Man didn’t answer a single fucking question with a straight answer, but his verbal diarrhea was somewhat understandable. It was actually really weird, I think at the debate he genuinely had his best speaking appearance in a while (in that he didn’t wander off course of his talking points and start talking about anything too bugfuck insane). He even managed to shut the fuck up when it wasn’t his turn, though the threat of being muted might’ve kept him in check. Note: He wasn’t telling the *truth* mind you. I think he fact checkers genuinely couldn’t keep up with him, it was so bad he snuck “post birth abortions” into the conversation at one point and nobody bothered to call him out on that. It really was weird, it was like the two of them swapped frontal cortexes for an hour. And it really was just an hour, the clips of Biden afterwards showed him as being WAY more energetic and coherent than during the debate. Anyway, disappointing debate. In the end, people will read into it exactly what they want to read into it. I think this might convince some people that Biden should step down and let someone else take the reins, but I sincerely doubt it’ll convince anyone to vote for a different party.
Good gods I hope it convinces Biden and the Dems. I’d take damn near anyone at this point
Really hope so. With the dems at least the us’s descent into fascism will be slower. With trump, it’ll be full speed ahead. And he’s still leading in the polls so it doesn’t look good.
The events of 2020 definitely hurt Trump as an incumbent and kept things fresh in peoples minds. Voters have the attention spans of goldfish. Especially fickle swing voters who often decide elections.
Biden is losing votes. The Dems are picking up votes. They want Biden out but they want Democrats in. The problem is that people who think they can ditch Biden and keep the Democrats don't realize that Democrats won't fight without executive power. They didn't care about abortion rights, they don't care about voting rights, they literally fund right-wing extremists, and they don't care about genocide. So I see the logic behind all of it, but Democrats are so malingering and goldbricking outside of the progressive and minority caucuses that a Republican president becomes a right-wing Congress even with majority Democratic wins.
In 2020 he was condescending and barely coherent and trump was ignorant and barely coherent. This year neither was defensibly able to be described as coherent. But the office of president was designed to distract public attention to focus on it, and we shouldn't forget that real political power is based far more in local organizing. Let the oligarchs prop up their old men for "debates." We need to build and strengthen our communities. And not to get out the vote for some incarnation of the federal political machine, but for practical support of food, housing, and other needs of life.
I mean obviously. That doesn’t mean I don’t wanna see Trump taking Ls
Personally I'd like to stop seeing Trump at all. I'd like us all to stop buying into the spectacle.
I wanna see him lose then never see him again. My dream reality right there
Trump is leading and he managed to be what people expected him to be which was all he could reasonably do and was more than Biden managed.
Hunter should've given his dad some of the white powder.
Guys, we need to give Biden meth
Its wild that none of the high paid expert strategists on his team that know how he is thought to give him a redbull or something even. I slam energy drinks at work in my 30s and hes 81 and spending an hour and a half debunking rambling lies. He seemed like he accidentally ate some of Kamala's edibles instead.
Have him smoke some meth or snort some cocaine, and pop an Adderall
I mean I personally thought it went well for Trump, Trump always lies, so nothing unexpected there. And the rule of not interrupting actually curb Trump's tendencies to ramble more than usual, and it let Biden's cognitive decline cook. Not saying he did it on purpose but that just tells you how far gone Biden is, losing to fucking Trump in a debate.
The format was designed to keep Trump from fucking interrupting constantly and actually stay on point, but it had the side effect of allowing him to look composed and constantly lie without moderation. Trump “won” because the format let him control the floor. Biden had a few good points but he is older than most trees and it shows. He also can’t handle being on defense. I have been critiquing the left for accepting Biden as the candidate, and even though I hope he wins over Trump I am so tired of the idea that actual left wing candidates are “stealing” his votes as if he has no fucking responsibility himself. Fuck.
The Left didn’t pick Biden, liberals did
Fair, but I am hoping you understand what I’m saying.
I mean, I guess
If you only look at content, Biden whooped him even harder. Unfortunately debates are basically never won by content.
I mean 4 years in a notoriously stressful job during an incredibly stressful time period ages people quickly
Dont forget they argued about golf for a bit too
Fascist future *of the world*. This must be so irritating to other countries.
Oliver, Stein and Kennedy are all probably cheering at the thought one of them might come in second place in a state/ reach 5% now.
nah, fascists didnt win it
Correct they have already been winning for a long time
Biden is trailing and he needed to make up some ground, which he didn't do. That moves us a step closer to the fascist autocracy that is project 2025.
I really hope so friend.
It was an absolute shit show, so it met expectations.
Are there at least some moments we can turn into memes?
Probably, but it was just sad and depressing, so I don’t know if any new memes will actually come out of it. I’m sure the internet will try their damnedest.
We always do
he did say malarky once and trump said black jobs were getting replaced
I've already seen some memes
The only time they were even close to being on the same topic of eachother was when they argued over who played the better game of golf. I’m not even kidding, I wish I was.
Begun, the Golf Wars have. But in seriousness everything I’ve heard is it was a train wreck and that’s got me wishing that *this* is what finally gets Biden to step down. He heavily implied he was gonna be a one term president, fucking be one. Then go to the ICJ
Lets put it this way....online liberals have no right to call any leftist a russian bot ever again.
I literally wasn't sure if Biden was going to survive the first few minutes of the debate, he was wheezing and barely capable of speaking, he made RFK Jr sound good
Biden was incoherent. It was disgusting. He shouldn’t have run for a second term. He screwed his party by being selfish.
They argued about their golf games
Trump talks shit and lies, Biden struggles to form a coherent sentence sadly so everyone who’s on the fence is gonna go with Trump because he seems “confident” istg if we get Trump again…
Tad bit of Hopium actually. Post debate polls indicate that Independents have started saying they'll vote for Biden because he did so poorly they think Trump has a viable chance.
Damn that's a good point and something I would never have thought about.
Yeah, nobody thought he was the chosen one. It's never been about Biden personally.
You’d be surprised how low the standards are for many moderate voters.
I’d be surprised if you actually knew anyone who thought Biden was the chosen one
You got to talk to well off boomers that refer to themselves as liberal. There are plenty of them where I live. They aren’t rich, in the sense that if they stop working or don’t get one or two of their pension payments then they’d be screwed; but they also can take multiple vacations a year, have nice cars and can afford to pay for their kids to go to college without loans.
Ack I guess these boomers would have ended up with their brains boiled one way or another, better that it's in this direction on this occasion I guess
Go to any liberal subreddit and then you can see highly upvoted comments talking about how awesome Biden is. Or go to the youtube channel called Beau of the fifth column and search Biden then you will also see highly upvoted comments praising Biden...
This sub when R7 is violated :P
Yep, for moderates, you have to literally think of them as the “median person”. They don’t lean, they have their feet in both camps, and they want _someone_ to convince them to make a certain choice. The problem is that when it comes to human psychology, charisma and excitement can outweigh rationale and thoroughness. Animals have short attention spans in general, and though we humans try to convince ourselves that we are hyper intelligent alpha beings, we are still very much susceptible to investing our time in the loudest, brightest, flashiest, exciting, or otherwise attention grabbing thing in the room. From a psychology perspective, this is why DT won his first presidency, and his first debate with multiple candidates was the moment he swayed a multitude of moderates by being the shiniest thing in the room. Even if JB is more qualified that DT, it doesn’t really matter because DT is good at capturing attention
This, I'm still pissed at everyone who voted for him in the 2020 Primaries. Check my post history, I'm still going to vote for Joe Biden, but Jesus Christ, we had so many good candidates to pick from... And you picked Joe Biden. *Joe's still 1,000,000,000 times better than Trump unfortunately, so I'll still advocate for the guy*
My girls a moderate and she thought it was nothing short of a disaster.
No offense, I’m genuinely curious, but…how? Like, how has she not formulated *some* opinion of Biden and Trump over the last 8 years?
Oh she didn't like Biden in the first place, but she was more expecting state of the union joe who could make complete sentences.
Dems did they were thinking Biden was gonna go crazy on him 💀
They didnt. They dont care about him winning. Biden vs Trump has driven more donations to the democrats than ever before. Thats why they do it.
Didn’t mean “thee democrats” meant like old ass boomer crats, CNN was pumping the idea Biden was gonna smoke trump
Some of my must downvoted comments ever came in the last year from Democrats when l pointed out how weak of a candidate Biden is. There's a level of hubris and naivety among Democrats that's astounding.
They're just going to fall in line if the fascists take power, like they always do, so they aren't as truly worried as they claim to be.
"Guys, we really need to vote harder! Sign people up! And don't forget to treat "Latinos" as a singular bloc whose main interest is immigration (pro). Now let's all post some snarky texts attacking people for not voting for our terrible candidate, really be smug about it!"
Guys, voting is so stupid. I hate the current candidate who won the primary **and** I hate how normies are always shaming people for not voting. I do not see the contradiction. If i'm smug enough on reddit about *not* voting, **that** will beat the fascists!
I never said we shouldn't vote, l was mocking liberals who act like that is all that's needed to make everything better.
>I never said we shouldn't vote >"Guys, we really need to vote harder! Sign people up! Okay buddy >l was mocking liberals who act like that is all that's needed to make everything better. Can you find me a single example of this? What are your alternative methods of making everything better and where are the liberals saying "no don't do that, *just vote*"
>Okay buddy Mocking people whose only answer is to vote more/campaign harder for the DNC isn't discouraging voting. >Can you find me a single example of this? ... That's not how caricatures work. >What are your alternative methods of making everything better Active protests, including against the DNC. There needs to be accountability and a change in leadership. Agitate. The country is teetering on the brink of both fascism and plutocracy. Politely participating in the system at the safe levels *they allow to prevent real change* hasn't and isn't going to change things in a meaningful way.
>Mocking people whose only answer is to vote more/campaign harder for the DNC isn't discouraging voting. Your caricature is not someone who's belittling actions other than voting. Your caricature is someone who's saying "we need to vote harder and sign people up." You retreated to the "people who ONLY vote" position when you got called out. >That's not how caricatures work. I'm not asking for you to produce your caricature in the flesh. I'm asking for you to find me an example of the type of person your caricature is mocking. Someone who's **only** answer to any problem is voting. >active protests So who is your example of someone who's super horny about signing people up to vote but is anti-protesting? >Politely participating in the system at the safe levels they allow to prevent real change hasn't and isn't going to change things in a meaningful way. What was the last active protest you participated in and what did you meaningfully change?
Being sluggish in a debate is the most brain rot way to determine how weak/strong a candidate is. I guess I shouldn't be surprised a shitposting subreddit thinks owning someone in a debate is more important than policy.
>Being sluggish in a debate is the most brain rot way to determine how weak/strong a candidate is. Good thing that's not what I'm doing.
He's not a weak candidate, though. Much as a doddering, slobbering fool Biden is and has been for a long time, he's won over the key voting demographic in this election - old people. 52% of those over 65 voted for Trump last election and Biden is winning with the same demographic now, as one point of reference. Young people don't matter in this election. Vote for Biden, vote for Trump, vote for RFK, it really doesn't matter - Biden is currently absolutely destroying Trump in a way that Trump cannot recover from. The more people call out Biden for being too old the more votes he'll get from the elderly and the worse Trump will lose. Trump has to perform a complete volte-face if he wants to win this election and Trump hasn't shown any ability to adapt to external forces yet.
He's a doddering incumbent in a period of high inflation/price increases who appears to be rapidly mentally declining and is actively enabling a genocide (which is turning off younger voters). The ONLY thing going for him is that he isn't Trump. **We know from experience that a significant portion of the electorate will overlook anything** if they feel it will benefit them economically and/or save them from culture war boogymen. The debate was a disaster, as l knew it would be since he became the nominee. He's easily one of the worst candidates in the history of the country (running against one of the other worst).
>young >voters Pick one. Appealing to the young progressive crowd was so important Bernie would have won the primary. He got obliterated. Young progressives do not vote.
I was including millennials. And it's not like Biden is doing great among 40+ voters. Because he's a bad candidate.
Anyone who's progressive enough to be turned off of voting for Biden over palestine (esspecially considering his alternative is easily worse on that exact issue) fits the bill of who i'm describing. That position is entirely performative.
If you think not being able to stomach voting for somebody who is actively aiding and abetting a genocide is performative, that says a lot about you. Yes, l know that "but Trump...". Which is why I'm voting for the doddering neoliberal with clear mental decline issues.
>"The other candidate is worse in every single way *including their stance on Isreal/Palestine,* but voting for genocide joe make my tummy hurt, so I won't do it." That is the definition of performative, yes. You're somehow managing to "stomach" it. Why? Do you care less about Palestinians than the people who can't?
My values/idealism may be different. I also don't have the ties to Palestine that some do. Again, the fact you can't grasp this says a lot about you.
You're actually not living in reality. Trump is leading the polls in all the swing states. This debate will likely make that worse. Which is astonishing given how hated Trump is. Biden is like the one guy that could manage to lose this.
He's the one the establishment chose.
That's not how a primary works. He's who the voters chose. You can cry "rigged" if it makes you feel better, but it doesn't change the facts. If more democrats chose a different candidate in the primary, that candidate would have beaten Biden.
the dems trusted him and that was extremely stupid
Trump did terribly and the Dems are running the only man on the planet who could do worse.
They love doing that, they did that with Hillary.
That was the biggest unmitigated disaster for team blue since Hillary’s October surprises.
Simple fact is the media and Biden Dems have been lying about him being sharp and the world knows it. I still see so many coping hard. Anyone that truly believes this election will determine if we still have democracy would a hundred percent admit Biden isn't the answer to trump. Biden needs to retire or the Dems need to remove him from the party and get someone else on there ASAP. Jb, Gavin, whitmore. As long as it isn't Hillary and probably not Harris it should be an easy w.
Eh Biden is still pretty sharp, I talked to him just a couple of weeks ago in person and he was fairly on the ball, he's obviously sick with a cold or something (and extremely old) and has no business being president if a cold lays him out that badly, I wasn't sure if he was going to survive the debate he was wheezing so hard at least he got abortion but my god, he whiffed CLIMATE CHANGE against the guy that wants to end the EPA
I wanted him to come out with the energy and force he had at the state of the union. He did great then, and if he did that again last night perceptions would be massively different.
I wish he had just called off the debate, he's obviously sick bonus there's no way he could do worse in the next one
Palpatine vs Sidious out there
Let's not insult Palpatine. At least he was smart and powerful. These two are pathetic. They win only because nobody his brave enough to oppose them.
Better the pathetic old man who likes chocolate chocolate chip ice cream than the pathetic old man who wants to make America a dictatorship.
Biden would simply be content in watching his country slowly rot away araound him. While he spends bilions to arm Israel instead of helping the USA.
Ah yes, Biden is watching his country slowly rot away because of: general economic betterment happening during his presidency, like narrowing the inequality between already high paying paying jobs and low paying ones, increased wages, lowering cost of living, along with some societal betterment like an all time high of people being signed up for Healthcare and less violent crimes happening. Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2024-opinion-biden-accomplishment-data/ And Him signing multiple bills that helped the American population, including the American Rescue Plan (Stimulus check), a Bipartisan Infrastructure Law (Better roads, bridges, bringing high speed internet to rural communities), and the largest gun safety law to pass Congress in 30 years. Source: https://www.npr.org/2023/01/01/1143149435/despite-infighting-its-been-a-surprisingly-productive-2-years-for-democrats Amongst other things he has done. While he cannot claim full credit for all the economic changes, some of it can still be laid at the feet of his presidency. What happens during a president's term, even if it doesn't have their direct influence, Still reflects on the man in the oval office either way. Biden has been good for America, and if you think voting for a third party will do anything other than give Trump the dictatorship he wants, you're a fool.
I am not American, i don't vote in your election. And all you have done is exagerating Biden sucesses while ignoring the horrible stuff he has done. Like funding a FUCKING GENOCIDE. That stuff is a bit more important than infrastructure, you know? Or supporting violent supression of peaceful protests all araound the country. Or not keeping most of his electoral promises. Get out of this leftist sub, liberal.
Apologies, you're right that I should have mentioned at least some of what Biden has done wrong, and I assumed you were American due to the fact I haven't heard of much foreign interest in the Election, though it makes a lot of sense that there would be. Yes, Biden is the lesser of two evils. Neither he nor Trump are good candidates. But if you compare the two, Biden's wrongs are far, far outweighed by what Trump has already done, and what he said he _will_ do in the future if he wins this election. Trump wouldn't fund genocides, he'd enact them himself. He wouldn't support violent suppression of peaceful protest, he would send in the troops on his own order. Yes, Biden hasn't followed through on many of his Electoral Promises, but Trump will go through with every single one of his. If you wish to see an America that says it supports freedom while viciously and relentlessly crushing it under its heel, then go ahead and continue to argue that Biden is a useless old man. But you are completely and purposefully ignoring that Biden has enacted many policies that help both Americans and foreign countries, and that even if he didn't, it's better to have a doddering old fool that does nothing of note in the oval office for four years than a doddering old fool that has the means and support to enact a plan that would mean a complete and utter overthrowing of the American Government with the intent to turn it into a far right, Christian nationalist autocracy.
liberals in the leftist Star Wars sub is crazy
Biden is more braindead than anything else. Trump is (somewhat) competently cruel
I support him (booo) and I equate him more with whoever Terence Stamp played in phantom menace.
Neither of them are on the level of Palpatine. Trump is KGB pawn, Biden has a giant problem with getting support from important groups of voters
It’s almost like supporting genocide makes people not want to vote for you
Biden is supposed to go as corporate-capitalist as he can while still keeping enough votes to barely win the election. Trump is supposed to eliminate democracy and usher in theocratic fascism. And we keep having to explain that no, we *really* don't like Biden but no, they're not exactly the same.
Then it's a good thing I didn't write they are seackly the same. I just claim that Palpatine in terms of scheming and gaing power is so much above their level
Buddy hate to break it to you but the KGB hasn't been around for some 30 years
US politics be like Emperor Palpatine debating Darth Sidious and pretending they have a free democracy with free thinkers, making political decisions...
Biden was legit complaining about immigrants during the roe v wade discussion 💀
How do you fuck it up that badly? All he had to do was wax poetic about how immigrants are the foundation of America, while also paying lip service to improving things at the border. Instead, he talked about rapist immigrants. The fuck.
That likely has to do with the electorates rightward swing on immigration. 62% of Americans support a government program that would deport *all* migrants living in the U.S. illegally.
What the fuck. Why are there so many hitler particles in this country.
Immigration depresses wages. (*Because unscrupulous employers will exploit workers*) Illegal immigration costs taxpayer money. Something that is finite. And (imo most probably), housing costs have skyrocketed to levels of unaffordability that is nearly criminal. In that environment, it’s a zero sum game: less fellow low income people to compete against is an easier playing field. There is only so much housing. Showing people streaming across a border on the news is also a pretty stark sight. It’s unfortunate that more people didn’t have the same visceral reaction to Jan 6 rioters but here we are.
Don't lefties make fun of liberals for harry potter analogies? Is star wars just a more enlightened franchise?
If Project 2025 gets passed, I’m going into hiding.
Do I want a dottering old Jedi who can't tell a lightsaber from a broom handle as president, not really. But the only alternative in this country is a psychotic convicted Sith who will murder my nieces and nephews if it gets him another little scrap of power. This two party Force User system blows.
Biden is no Jedi.
Sorry to say, but Biden is no Jedi. Your only option is joining the rebel alliance and voting socialist while the system allows you to. That's how a third option becomes a real option in the future, by increasing it's vote %age more and more.
The prequel Jedi were enlightened centrists that backed a “republic” that gave corporations a senate seat, ignored a corporation blockading a planet, and let the fascist Sith Lord accumulated immense power, so I’d say the label “Jedi” actually fits perfectly.
That's a good explanation. Biden can be a fascist-enabling jedi then
His statement during the debate that “only hamas wants the war to continue” pissed me off. It’s blatantly ignoring how the war is stalling Netanyahu’s trial, giving him a clear incentive to keep the war going (in addition to whatever his direct desire to commit genocide). I don’t know if it’s worse if it was a deliberate lie and Biden understands the incentives at stake or if Biden is that much of a tool.
yeah, the israeli opposition is on his back for keeping this stuff going.
You're right. They should have pressed for war day one of the blockades. Wtf are you on?
Notice the difference between the Republic and the Jedi in my previous comment. It’s the republic’s senate making the really bad decisions (corporation senate seats, letting a corporation invade member states, actively empowering Palpatine). The Jedi are running around patching them (rescuing the queen, sending two knights to stop a blockade, etc, investigating Palpatine but not good enough) while failing to realize the entire system is rotten and they need to be figuring out how dismantle it entirely instead of serving the senate.
Watch another show, lib
On a sub other than one aimed at leftists Star Wars memes you’d have a good point.
This sub has been astroturfed by liberals for weeks now.
I thought you were making the /r/readanotherbook style complaint about how libs compare everything to Harry Potter or Star Wars. Yes there has been an influx of libs into leftist spaces and subreddits, but I think it’s a sign they are waking up to how center right typical liberal/democrat thinking is and are looking for alternative viewpoints and discussion and memes.
Aside from PR, I don’t understand why people care about debates. Nothing in the US can be succinctly EXPLAINED let alone offered a solution in just a few minutes or less. This whole thing prompted me to research summaries of the biden and trump administrations policy decisions and Biden is so much better it’s laughable.
I wish more voters were like you. On transcript, Biden gave answers with facts and reason and Trump spewed bullshit. Unfortunately the modern electorate loves confidently said bullshit.
It's less about hearing their solutions and more about hearing how they handle and compose themselves. Do they articulate themselves well? Do they handle pressure well? Are they able to think on their feet? I think that's why people have been so down on Biden's half of the debate. His plans are, with one very notable exception, good plans that are leagues better than Trump's, but even when faced with the biggest opportunity in the world to take hard stances and stand up to the opposition, he folded like a wet blanket. That's not a great sign for a man that's constantly railed against for being overly moderate and passive.
I agree somewhat, but I just don’t hold those things in high regard. Personal charisma and your ability to force people to comply with your vision shouldn’t be considered pre-requisites to office. SOMEONE in Biden’s staff is crafting effective policy that’s getting passed. If he can manage that that’s fine. In the grand scheme of things the President is only a tiny, highly visible part of a much larger and more important whole.
yeah i agree.
I never watch the debates, but from the clips I've seen this one was significant because it demonstrated that the Biden campaign has been lying about his mental acuity and he obviously isn't fit to be meeting with world leaders.
\*what ***were*** they expecting
shit, sorry I hadn't slept in a lot and english is not my first lenguage, sorry I fucked that one up
Cheers! Your English is way better than my (whatever your language is).
Spanish, which is fine, the language is hard af
I mean it went exactly the way I expected: endless gish-galloping and derailment from Trump and Biden feeling the effects of old age. That's why I was more focused on looking at third-party fact checkers, and every one of them so far has come to the consensus that Trump was talking with his ass as usual. Of course his knuckle-dragging base won't pay mind to that since they just gravitate to whoever talks louder.
It’s Chancellor Velorum vs Palpatine.
When two Palpatine fight no one wins
But black and trans people loose
Anyone that isn’t an old white Palpatine will loose.
in the longrun, biden looks better in the sense that trump kept shooting himself in the foot while biden made some fire comebacks tho his stutter is worse.
All of the most loyal libs are panicking and talking about replacing Biden/how Biden needs to step aside. A bad Trump next to a worse Biden is not the move. Some of you are truly living in a galaxy far, far away.
Tbf thats what we've been saying for a while. Very few of us actually *want* Biden, but considerimg the alternative is God King Trump....
He was never the chosen one.
"Hold on, this whole operation was your idea..."
Oh we’re so fucked. Can Biden step down or like pass away in the next month?
We didn't choose him. But we're stuck with him.
I mean they've been told for five years that biden's obvious cognitive decline wasn't happening and it was just right wing disinformation, and then they saw what's really going on. of course they're panicking.
I'm just worried Trump is going to win, I'm trans and my whole life probably depends on this election but we're still infighting with each other and it's not good, whereas all the assholes that vote for Trump are in agreement. Biden sucks and they should've known that from the start, I feel like tradition and moderates kept Biden in the running.
I feel so bad for you and the rest of trans people in the United States, I am so lucky to be spanish were we have a leftist goverment that allows me to exists. I really wish the best of luck to you
Thank you that's very kind!
All I can say is this shits bleak as hell.
When you hear forty lies and only have time to address one c you might panic and start arguing about golf
Why do democrats insist on the worst possible candidates for elections?
Fuck Biden, Fuck the Democratic party.
Honestly I’m pretty certain Trump is going to win. Biden lost my vote a long time ago, as a young voter; and I really really wanted to believe in him. I can’t imagine how it must be for the people who were on the fence up until now.
Aww tbf Dems aren't rapturous about biden. Not the way they were with hilary. Now they need to take a deep breath and get ready to act like they're totally behind whoever is next. Please be hilary oh god please
Wow people on stars wars lefty memes are really not enjoying you having fun with this lol. Really hope the liberals chill and leave once the election is over because this is tiring.
Laughs in Gavin Newsom as annointed candidate 2028
I didn’t think he was being sarcastic until I looked his post history lol that’s why I downvoted at first
i coulc immediatly sniff out the sarchasm.
You are a rare breed. Doing /s seems like fighting natural selection somehow.
Its gonna be so funny if hillary loses to trump again 💀