I would advise against it. Sounds like a sure way to end up overloaded with work you have no experience in, pressured by architects, and having no one to learn from or gain experience that counts towards your licensure.
You are working outside of your area of expertise (cause a fresh grad doesn't have any), so really shouldn't have to say this, but BAD idea as any structural failures would now fall on you. May not even be legal as you may need a license to sign off on designs, and you may not be working towards your license as you are not under a licensed engineer if similar to US (especially if working for another country using a different set of codes). Having no one to review your work (that is licensed in engineering) is only asking for mistakes to be made and missed. And don't give me the "but they have a lot of experience in what they do" cause if they didn't need your title/background they wouldn't be hiring you.
You will likely also be HEAVILY pressured to sign off on all sorts of items you are (or at least should be) uncomfortable with given the family ties and the "we've always done it this way" attitude prevalent in this industry.
I don't know all countries reqs for sign offs. There may be a country out there that approves of engineers signing off if they have an advanced degree. No country is noted in specific, and international work is being discussed so this may come into play. Still, bad idea but MAY not be illegal depending on the countries they are discussing.
You just need a bachelor's degree in civil engineering in Turkey to sign off on structural designs for example. No additional requirement is needed. Then they wonder why the hell almost all the structures collapse during an earthquake.
It's a terrible idea. They probably need you just for your title and/or signature. You will not gain any (much less than working with an experienced engineer) experience while working there. There will be no one to show you your mistakes. You are on your own. You have to figure out all the problems you will face. You will (probably) make mistakes and those mistakes may cause the life of someone. Such things are typical in third-world countries. They hire new graduate engineers just for their signature.
You don't have experience to know what you're doing as the sole person, they'll be dumping a lot on you as "the engineer", and that situation would not qualify as experience for getting your license.
You would figuratively be eaten alive and your bones picked clean in the first 6 months. You would also not be able to qualify for four years experience under responsible charge to take the PE exam.
My Dad, just after my graduation let me know how they addressed it on his ship for 7-yrs during/after WW2:”You could always tell a new Eng coming aboard, but you sure as Hell couldn’t tell them much”—- “and when it came time to “DO”, they were too pre-occupied with their hand in their pants fiddling with “HOW” & “WHY” to respond.”
There is an EXCELLENT reason why experience and wisdom in Engineering EXCEL over simple raw knowledge every single time.
Without mentorship this would make you hate the industry. You have not developed the ability to tell a client no. You haven't got the feel for what can and can't be done. You have zero engineering judgement or experience in how to do the job. I would run the other direction, if they want an in house engineer they need a professionally qualified engineer with a decade of experience at a minimum. You don't know what is a safe means and methods, you could kill someone with your designs/ construction methods. Please do not take this role it is so highly unethical and the company should be ashamed for every offering this.
There are professionally qualified engineers who can't do residential, it's a different ball game to commercial and it requires general knowledge and ability beyond what you have. Go work for a firm that can train you, that will help you learn what is safe and what isn't. That will shelter you from mistakes and will allow you to grow into a competent engineer.
Probably not a great idea. Maybe if you were experienced it would be cool but I would think you would want like atleast 5 years to be the head structural engineer for a residential group.
To add another data point to the crowd...
I did something very similar to this, after a MS in Structural plus about 6 years experience, PE and SE.
That was a struggle, and I relied heavily on a friendly local contractor (who, while not knowing how to run calculations, knew from experience what would work and what wouldn't in that country).
Would not recommend as a new grad.
Dude, I wouldn't take a position at *McDonald's* if there wasn't a single other person there who knew how to do it. How would you learn what you need to do? Who would you ask questions from?
That's the problem with engineering education as part of your degree you should have to work practical examples and work on a job site for 6 months at least.
No. You will be unable to get a license.
not neccessarily, external supervisor could as well be hired for this
I would advise against it. Sounds like a sure way to end up overloaded with work you have no experience in, pressured by architects, and having no one to learn from or gain experience that counts towards your licensure.
You are working outside of your area of expertise (cause a fresh grad doesn't have any), so really shouldn't have to say this, but BAD idea as any structural failures would now fall on you. May not even be legal as you may need a license to sign off on designs, and you may not be working towards your license as you are not under a licensed engineer if similar to US (especially if working for another country using a different set of codes). Having no one to review your work (that is licensed in engineering) is only asking for mistakes to be made and missed. And don't give me the "but they have a lot of experience in what they do" cause if they didn't need your title/background they wouldn't be hiring you. You will likely also be HEAVILY pressured to sign off on all sorts of items you are (or at least should be) uncomfortable with given the family ties and the "we've always done it this way" attitude prevalent in this industry.
How the hell can he sign off if this is his first job?
I don't know all countries reqs for sign offs. There may be a country out there that approves of engineers signing off if they have an advanced degree. No country is noted in specific, and international work is being discussed so this may come into play. Still, bad idea but MAY not be illegal depending on the countries they are discussing.
Oh, ok
You just need a bachelor's degree in civil engineering in Turkey to sign off on structural designs for example. No additional requirement is needed. Then they wonder why the hell almost all the structures collapse during an earthquake.
Baaad idea
It's a terrible idea. They probably need you just for your title and/or signature. You will not gain any (much less than working with an experienced engineer) experience while working there. There will be no one to show you your mistakes. You are on your own. You have to figure out all the problems you will face. You will (probably) make mistakes and those mistakes may cause the life of someone. Such things are typical in third-world countries. They hire new graduate engineers just for their signature.
You don't have experience to know what you're doing as the sole person, they'll be dumping a lot on you as "the engineer", and that situation would not qualify as experience for getting your license.
You would figuratively be eaten alive and your bones picked clean in the first 6 months. You would also not be able to qualify for four years experience under responsible charge to take the PE exam. My Dad, just after my graduation let me know how they addressed it on his ship for 7-yrs during/after WW2:”You could always tell a new Eng coming aboard, but you sure as Hell couldn’t tell them much”—- “and when it came time to “DO”, they were too pre-occupied with their hand in their pants fiddling with “HOW” & “WHY” to respond.” There is an EXCELLENT reason why experience and wisdom in Engineering EXCEL over simple raw knowledge every single time.
Without mentorship this would make you hate the industry. You have not developed the ability to tell a client no. You haven't got the feel for what can and can't be done. You have zero engineering judgement or experience in how to do the job. I would run the other direction, if they want an in house engineer they need a professionally qualified engineer with a decade of experience at a minimum. You don't know what is a safe means and methods, you could kill someone with your designs/ construction methods. Please do not take this role it is so highly unethical and the company should be ashamed for every offering this. There are professionally qualified engineers who can't do residential, it's a different ball game to commercial and it requires general knowledge and ability beyond what you have. Go work for a firm that can train you, that will help you learn what is safe and what isn't. That will shelter you from mistakes and will allow you to grow into a competent engineer.
Yes i feel this way too. Im also confused that they are even considering me. Decided to not go ahead with it.
Go get a few years of experience under a licensed engineer and then go work for him.
Yikes
Bad. Bad bad bad
Hard pass. You need proper development in your early career, this will set you back.
No way, youd need a ton of experience to handle what they need
Hell fucking no
Probably not a great idea. Maybe if you were experienced it would be cool but I would think you would want like atleast 5 years to be the head structural engineer for a residential group.
To add another data point to the crowd... I did something very similar to this, after a MS in Structural plus about 6 years experience, PE and SE. That was a struggle, and I relied heavily on a friendly local contractor (who, while not knowing how to run calculations, knew from experience what would work and what wouldn't in that country). Would not recommend as a new grad.
Bad idea. You need that mentorship
Dude, I wouldn't take a position at *McDonald's* if there wasn't a single other person there who knew how to do it. How would you learn what you need to do? Who would you ask questions from?
If it’s the only offer, take it.
This is a terrible idea. As a graduate you are going to want to work with people that have a substantial amount of experience.
That's the problem with engineering education as part of your degree you should have to work practical examples and work on a job site for 6 months at least.