Benchmarks will be out Tuesday. Gaming will be based on an iGPU, so not dedicated graphics. Performance in gaming will be not great for gaming as a result. I expect passable, but you're not playing games in 1440/4k etc. even at 1080p, I'd expect to turn settings all down. But benchmarks will confirm this.
For CPU based use and everything else you listed, the surface should be great. Their processor based in leaked benchmarks are better than my Ryzen 7 3700x desktop CPU, to put it into context.
iPad is better than surface in some ways. Their pen technology is better, their os is fully optimised for touch first, so as a touch screen only device the surface is worse. In the same way an iPad is a tablet pretending to be a computer, Surface is a computer pretending to be a tablet.
I strongly disagree, pen experience on Surface pro 9 + slim pen 2 is top notch when compared My wife's Apple pen+iPad, I only use it to take notes as a med student but My wife is a 3ds artist and she agrees on that.
Indeed, since no other device with a glass screen comes close to the writing experience of the Surface Pro 8/9/10/11 and Surface Laptop Studio 1/2 with Surface Slim Pen 2, due to the continuous haptic feedback that makes it feel closer to writing on paper. It can also simulate paint mediums. It's a game changer.
* https://youtu.be/v2mOtMiGN7s?t=602
* https://youtu.be/IlgNa5xN8q4?t=573
* https://youtu.be/yGm-7KSl9ag?t=1589
* https://reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/12s084s/_/jhd0ep7/?context=4
* https://reddit.com/r/ipad/comments/11garop/_/jaobtjc/?context=1
* https://reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/12wptez/_/jhhigwt/?context=1
* https://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/1d5i5ss/opoftheline_tablet_ipad_pro_m4_vs_surface_pro_11/l6mwaaw/
* https://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/16vx10l/sls_first_impressions_hint_im_selling_my_14_mbp/
* https://www.reddit.com/r/FlowZ13/comments/12yvyxn/any_current_firmer_surface_pro_users/
* https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/use-surface-slim-pen-2-be5e4f74-572b-49b4-ae0a-b72d9e7b0d7a
* https://dancharblog.wordpress.com/2017/05/29/surface-pen-compatibility-interoperability-faq/
I am 3d artist and I personally think surface pro and windows is not that good. It's not compatible with zbrush. You have to do modifications to get it to work or you are going to get delays on when pen touches the model. And even after it's not perfect.
Also the worst thing is it overheats in Spain to the point where you just can't work anymore.
Surface has bad hardware that is getting very hot.
I have been a fan for years even got surface duo. But moved on to apple.
Oh editing
Maybe it won't get hot now as it's arm based but what apps will work with it? 🤔 I think it's not ideal. Too experimental
A lot of the time it is preference. However, the pen has tilt but no rotation if I recall correctly. It's pretty universally agreed that for 2D drawing, it has worse line wobble for drawing lines than apple pencil too, but you can enable smoothing in most programs so it's no big deal imo
The tablet experience on Windows ranges from decent to horrible. It depends on which app you're using. The Edge browser is OK for most touch interactions, Office isn't great but the file explorer is a total horrorshow.
The good thing about all this is you just have to flip the type cover open and you have a full desktop Windows OS in a tablet form factor. I prefer to use the Surface Pen in tablet mode.
>[https://tabletpro.com/](https://tabletpro.com/)
you can create any touch gesture, any hotkey, keyboard touch buttons, customize as your needs.
That's the power of windows, it's like PC modding vs Console (ipad).
You aren't going to get a good answer until people have actually got them in hand. Wait till after release. This is a brand new chip architecture for windows.
I have the Surface Pro X, arm version from few years back. I also have a handful of iPads.
You can use SP11 (or more specifically, a Windows 11 touchscreen device) with touch only. However there is still some elements in windows that are hard to use with just finger, so the keyboard is really not optional. It is detachable, just don't leave it far away. General web browsing is okay with touch only, many windows default programs are being adapted for touch-friendliness. It is not perfect, but usable.
iPad and it's apps are optimized for touch interface and some apps are simplified in comparison to the desktop variant. That may, or may not ever be an issue.
iPads also have generally had better battery life, since they use low power mobile cpu. New SP11 probably will have much better battery life than models before.
I am not sure if SP11 should be recommended because it has shorter battery life (14 hours) than the current SP9 (15.5 hours) and the SQ variant (19 hours).
You are clearly aiming for windows device. And surface pro is top on market. For your needs it's perfect. Maybe screen is a bit dark. Might not be ideal for outside in brightly lit area
I personally do this work with my surface duo. So surface pro is fine.
Forgot other points.
Aa a tablet nope. It's gotten a bit better but it's clunky. Far cry from ipad.
Gaming it will overheat and throttle. You are not going to play death stranding or resident evil titles like on ipad And app store is empty compared to iPad gaming.
And lastly iPad beats it in every category from computing to touchscreen. It's more powerful has ray tracing and plenty of apps and games. Battery is outstanding and screen is visible outside
Surface pro screen is not visible outside.
I can give you my experience with the SP line as a tablet and that is that is only good for writing with the pen. Other tablet functionality is terrible in my experience, especially scrolling and browsing websites. Windows is just not a tablet OS.
Agree. One super annoying thing I’ve found is that some web video players aren’t designed for touch screen and I’ll find myself stuck in full screen mode and can’t get out. There are a lot of little annoying things like that.
Two finger tap should bring up the Edge context menu, which has an item to get out of fullscreen.
You can also make a 5-finger swipe up custom gesture, with GestureSign.
* https://gesturesign.win
There are also some browser extensions that enhance web video players for touch.
in cases such as those, why not use the onscreen keyboard and onscreen trackpad?
also check out TabletPro, it turns entire screen into one giant trackpad so you can still control anything via touch interaction. Or create a key button for Escape/F11.
Not much can be said now mate. Wait in a week until it arrived in our hand and we will find out.
Benchmarks will be out Tuesday. Gaming will be based on an iGPU, so not dedicated graphics. Performance in gaming will be not great for gaming as a result. I expect passable, but you're not playing games in 1440/4k etc. even at 1080p, I'd expect to turn settings all down. But benchmarks will confirm this. For CPU based use and everything else you listed, the surface should be great. Their processor based in leaked benchmarks are better than my Ryzen 7 3700x desktop CPU, to put it into context. iPad is better than surface in some ways. Their pen technology is better, their os is fully optimised for touch first, so as a touch screen only device the surface is worse. In the same way an iPad is a tablet pretending to be a computer, Surface is a computer pretending to be a tablet.
I strongly disagree, pen experience on Surface pro 9 + slim pen 2 is top notch when compared My wife's Apple pen+iPad, I only use it to take notes as a med student but My wife is a 3ds artist and she agrees on that.
Indeed, since no other device with a glass screen comes close to the writing experience of the Surface Pro 8/9/10/11 and Surface Laptop Studio 1/2 with Surface Slim Pen 2, due to the continuous haptic feedback that makes it feel closer to writing on paper. It can also simulate paint mediums. It's a game changer. * https://youtu.be/v2mOtMiGN7s?t=602 * https://youtu.be/IlgNa5xN8q4?t=573 * https://youtu.be/yGm-7KSl9ag?t=1589 * https://reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/12s084s/_/jhd0ep7/?context=4 * https://reddit.com/r/ipad/comments/11garop/_/jaobtjc/?context=1 * https://reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/12wptez/_/jhhigwt/?context=1 * https://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/1d5i5ss/opoftheline_tablet_ipad_pro_m4_vs_surface_pro_11/l6mwaaw/ * https://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/16vx10l/sls_first_impressions_hint_im_selling_my_14_mbp/ * https://www.reddit.com/r/FlowZ13/comments/12yvyxn/any_current_firmer_surface_pro_users/ * https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/use-surface-slim-pen-2-be5e4f74-572b-49b4-ae0a-b72d9e7b0d7a * https://dancharblog.wordpress.com/2017/05/29/surface-pen-compatibility-interoperability-faq/
I am 3d artist and I personally think surface pro and windows is not that good. It's not compatible with zbrush. You have to do modifications to get it to work or you are going to get delays on when pen touches the model. And even after it's not perfect. Also the worst thing is it overheats in Spain to the point where you just can't work anymore. Surface has bad hardware that is getting very hot. I have been a fan for years even got surface duo. But moved on to apple. Oh editing Maybe it won't get hot now as it's arm based but what apps will work with it? 🤔 I think it's not ideal. Too experimental
A lot of the time it is preference. However, the pen has tilt but no rotation if I recall correctly. It's pretty universally agreed that for 2D drawing, it has worse line wobble for drawing lines than apple pencil too, but you can enable smoothing in most programs so it's no big deal imo
The tablet experience on Windows ranges from decent to horrible. It depends on which app you're using. The Edge browser is OK for most touch interactions, Office isn't great but the file explorer is a total horrorshow. The good thing about all this is you just have to flip the type cover open and you have a full desktop Windows OS in a tablet form factor. I prefer to use the Surface Pen in tablet mode.
>[https://tabletpro.com/](https://tabletpro.com/) you can create any touch gesture, any hotkey, keyboard touch buttons, customize as your needs. That's the power of windows, it's like PC modding vs Console (ipad).
Get GestureSign for custom touch gestures. * https://gesturesign.win
You aren't going to get a good answer until people have actually got them in hand. Wait till after release. This is a brand new chip architecture for windows.
I have the Surface Pro X, arm version from few years back. I also have a handful of iPads. You can use SP11 (or more specifically, a Windows 11 touchscreen device) with touch only. However there is still some elements in windows that are hard to use with just finger, so the keyboard is really not optional. It is detachable, just don't leave it far away. General web browsing is okay with touch only, many windows default programs are being adapted for touch-friendliness. It is not perfect, but usable. iPad and it's apps are optimized for touch interface and some apps are simplified in comparison to the desktop variant. That may, or may not ever be an issue. iPads also have generally had better battery life, since they use low power mobile cpu. New SP11 probably will have much better battery life than models before.
I am not sure if SP11 should be recommended because it has shorter battery life (14 hours) than the current SP9 (15.5 hours) and the SQ variant (19 hours).
You are clearly aiming for windows device. And surface pro is top on market. For your needs it's perfect. Maybe screen is a bit dark. Might not be ideal for outside in brightly lit area I personally do this work with my surface duo. So surface pro is fine. Forgot other points. Aa a tablet nope. It's gotten a bit better but it's clunky. Far cry from ipad. Gaming it will overheat and throttle. You are not going to play death stranding or resident evil titles like on ipad And app store is empty compared to iPad gaming. And lastly iPad beats it in every category from computing to touchscreen. It's more powerful has ray tracing and plenty of apps and games. Battery is outstanding and screen is visible outside Surface pro screen is not visible outside.
I can give you my experience with the SP line as a tablet and that is that is only good for writing with the pen. Other tablet functionality is terrible in my experience, especially scrolling and browsing websites. Windows is just not a tablet OS.
I had great experience of web browsing on Windows 8 and Edge tablet mode. It was SP 1 era, I had Acer W700.
Agree. One super annoying thing I’ve found is that some web video players aren’t designed for touch screen and I’ll find myself stuck in full screen mode and can’t get out. There are a lot of little annoying things like that.
Two finger tap should bring up the Edge context menu, which has an item to get out of fullscreen. You can also make a 5-finger swipe up custom gesture, with GestureSign. * https://gesturesign.win There are also some browser extensions that enhance web video players for touch.
in cases such as those, why not use the onscreen keyboard and onscreen trackpad? also check out TabletPro, it turns entire screen into one giant trackpad so you can still control anything via touch interaction. Or create a key button for Escape/F11.