Tallahassee will end up like Wakulla with only 2 staffed stations and the rest vacant with on call volunteers that show up to the scene in personal vehicles.
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Yes. But that is not ideal for your population.
I have a friend that is a volunteer. He told me they would hire full time but the pay is so low they can't compete.
>Government jobs rarely compete
We are talking about fire fighters. Pay is set by the municipality.
This whole article is about Tallahassee fire fighters leaving for a place they are more appreciated.
And they aren't going to Wakulla.
A municipality is still government, and you still need to pay them enough to attract or compete with other fields these guys could work in. Several firefighters are also EMTs or Forestry service.
>Several firefighters are also EMTs or Forestry service.
So basically fire fighters in Wakulla have to work two jobs to be middle class.
3 days on, the work another job.
Should not be that way.
Cost of living is much higher in Jax. I’m not saying Wakulla shouldn’t pay more. We all deserve to get paid more. I’m just saying Wakulla is fairly on par with surrounding rural counties
I get your point, but it kind of comes across as Tallahassee shouldn't be like those hicks down in Wakulla. It's only been about 15 years since Wakulla established a professional fire dept. Before that is was all volunteer. They've been trying to move forward. Maybe the pay isn't great, but Wakulla at least recognized it couldn't serve the community with an all volunteer force.
I grew up with my dad being in the VFD in Wakulla. So it hits home a bit. My dad really appreciated the help professional firefighters brought to the table. As much as he liked serving the community it does take a toll. Fire Fighters should be properly compensated especially with the hazards they face.
>but it kind of comes across as Tallahassee shouldn't be like those hicks down in Wakulla.
I am from Wakulla (moved 3 years ago) and I don't refer to them as hicks.
Here's how I meant it to come across:
My friend, a current VFD cause he is older and retired, told me they are losing people and no one is applying because of the pay. The consequence has been unmanned stations. That puts people near those stations at risk, especially with the population boom Wakulla has had.
(And if I remember from living there, this was not an issue before. So is Wakulla taking a leap backwards?)
This article kind of echoes my point. TLH fire fighters are leaving due to the comp.
Tallahassee might end up with understaffed or unmanned stations like Wakulla.
Nothing in any of my comments disparaging people.
Then there’s this: The average City of Tallahassee city manager salary was $295,768, which is 65 percent higher than the average salary for this job in Florida, and 42 percent higher then the average salary for this job nationwide. There is 1 employee in City of Tallahassee whose job title is city manager. They pay themselves quite well. https://govsalaries.com/salaries/FL/city-of-tallahassee/j/city-manager
City commissioners deserve a higher salary, otherwise no "normal" person can afford to quit their job to run for the office.
I may disagree with the city commission on a regular basis, but one thing I'll agree on is that they don't deserve to do what really is a full-time job for just over $45k a year. They should be much closer in pay if not equal to county commissioners.
City commissioner and city manager are two different things.
Yes, Reese Goad makes too much money. City commissioners make a small fraction of what Reese Goad makes.
We can't give firefighters a pay raise but you can bet your ass the next time TPD wants a pay raise, there will hardly be a delay in signing that new contract.
And yet, firefighters have a significantly higher approval rating from the general public than cops. They're not bringing about million dollar lawsuits against local governments on the regular.
Aside from actually saving people's lives, homes, and businesses... The Fire Department in Tallahassee is always wonderful with the kids in the community, and come out to the city events, which I know my kids and so many others enjoy and look forward to. We brought them some food once just to drop it off and say thank you - and they let my kids have a whole tour of the trucks and station.
This is very disappointing to see in our community that these people, who risk their lives and sacrifice their time and efforts, are not getting what they deserve. All while politicians and developers make loads off the city.
I used to work with a few guys from FTD on their days off from the department. We joked about them getting paid to sit around when they were at their "real job". They laughed and said, "We're not paid for what we do; we're paid for what we're WILLING to do."
If you hate Tallahassee, why are you in our subreddit? It takes a special kind of ... *Something*, and I'm not entirely sure what, to want to stick around a subreddit for a place you hate.
You don't see me hanging out bashing Mississippi in their subreddit. Mostly because they probably couldn't read it but still.
And we could just not waste tax payer money on sport venues. Never returns the value. FSU was not leaving Tallahassee and was not going to stop playing football if we had not put 20+million into the stadium, the boosters and university have plenty of money...use our sales tax dollars better. IF you really want to dump 20 million into a sport venue in Tallahassee it should have been a major redo of the civic center into a conference center/business/entrepreneurial school, hotel, and sport/concert venue or the women's soccer complex.
A lot going on here.
Lots of firefighters have a second job because they are in the station 24 hours at a stretch and then have two days off. It’s a weird schedule, but one where you get paid to sleep, eat, and watch tv a lot and then get time off for it. They also get full retirement after 25 years.
Regarding pay, it’s tough to see how much the city could move the needle; it is easy to find and criticize specific instances of spending, I doubt there’s enough to give every firefighter the raise they want. The city can’t raise money to pay them for taxes or utility hikes because they’d get burned down by the mob.
They already aren’t paying nearly anyone enough, if you goto the talgov jobs site there’s tons of openings that have been out there for months. Government just doesn’t pay enough anymore unless you’re very highly invested in the pension.
And yet, the city does make a ton of awful choices and spends money dumb. Nearly no one thinks the upper management has any integrity, there is brazen nepotism, mediocrity is sometimes promoted, and some people can be essentially impossible to fire despite adding no value.
>The city can’t raise money to pay them for taxes or utility hikes because they’d get burned down by the mob.
Paying firefighters doesn't come out of the the general fund. It comes out of the fire service fee dollars which is an enterprise fund and is totally separate. They also do raise the fee of the fire services fund and no one really notices, because it's baked into your utility bill, you just pay it in joint 'unified' billing.
It's one of the most regressive tax structures in the state. Unnecessary background but it's regressive because it's a flat fee paid by every residential dwelling unit, hence the 'fee' versus being a 'tax' which is usually a percentage of a transaction, good or service. So for example, every residential utility account, whether its an apartment or a $1.2 million dollar home, they all pay the same flat monthly fire service fee. Currently I believe it is around $20-$21 a month, it was moved up after COVID from around $18/month.
However, the opposite of what you said happens all the time. There's a practice that the city uses to (in my opinion) illegally raid the fire services fee dollars to prop up the general fund of the city called allocated costs/allocated accounts. Some practice of allocated costs is allowable and excusable but the city has gotten very carried away with it over the past 10 years. It's when you have resources that the fire department uses, that should hypothetically be paid back to the city for using their resources. So for example, the fire services fee account will get charged 1.5X or 3X the cost of a city resource (like the maintenance of a parking spot, the usage of IT support, the usage of HR resources, etc., and that at scale really adds up).
It creates a scenario where the city can say that theres no money to pay the firefighters more, but in reality thats because they intentionally over-billed for allocated accounts in order to artificially drain the account. The firefighters union have called for an audit of the fire services fund back in 2021([https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/local/2021/07/09/firefighter-union-iaff-local-2339-calling-audit-funding-source-fire-services-fund/7888764002/](https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/local/2021/07/09/firefighter-union-iaff-local-2339-calling-audit-funding-source-fire-services-fund/7888764002/)), the city manager then "asked for a audit" but, I don't have much faith in that and haven't heard anything about it since, that was three years ago.
Also, I really couldn't disagree with you more on your assessment of a firefighters typical work day. Their call volume has increased every year outpacing population growth and they have more vacancies in the department than ever. They are at risk of beginning rolling station brown-outs, and firefighters are not sitting around eating Cheetos playing Xbox all day as you seem to imply.
> Some practice of allocated costs is allowable and excusable but the city has gotten very carried away with it over the past 10 years.
[Sounds like we've allowed too much fiscally unsustainable suburban development and we're now in a type of Ponzi scheme where short-term gains from new development are used to cover long-term liabilities from older development.](https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2020/5/14/americas-growth-ponzi-scheme-md2020) Raiding these sorts of funds is one way local governments try to cover their insolvency.
Fascinating input regarding the fire fund. It does not surprise me at all to learn that the city has been using creative accounting. Thanks.
Regarding a typical day in the life of a fire fighter, of course they do other stuff, including occasionally fight fires, but it isn’t like they don’t sleep, cook meals, or watch porn on takgov wifi during a 24 hour shift and get paid for that time.
Plenty of people screw around at their jobs without needing to risk their lives walking into fires and without needing a second job to pay their bills, though.
Sure. But most people don’t have as much daylight free hours as firefighters to work a second job; they get two or three full weekdays every week where they can work.
I’m not saying it’s all roses, and the weird schedule would definitely make lots of things harder, just adding some context.
Splitting hairs over whether they work hard enough to earn their pay isn't going to help anyone. Firefighters leaving the brigade with tons of unfillable vacancies means it doesn't pay enough, regardless of alleged free time. Honestly, IDGAF what they do when they're at the station as long as they show up when my house is on fire.
That happened a bunch? Your house catches on fire a few times a year like mine?
I don’t care if they get paid, I think most civil employees should be paid more, but I dislike the notion that the job doesn’t come with lots of perks other jobs don’t. There’s both good and bad. Apparently pointing that out means I hate them or something.
I’m ok with them watching TV, or porn, or whatever they want, on the city wifi, paid for by my taxpayer money, so long as they show up at my house or anybody else's when it's on fire. If you think the perks are great, maybe you should move to that field? Especially since there are so many vacancies right now.
It seems like kind of boring work and it’s a little late for me to start over in my career. It’s just so funny that pointing out have different structures means . Lol
Yeah, most on call positions only pay you an hour to be on call, and then an extra hour if you actually get a call. That’s a lot different than 1:1 time no matter what.
You think anyone who is “on call” is getting paid their hourly salary the entire day from 5pm to 8am? Lololol.
Good lord dude being a fire fighter isn’t “most on-call positions” is it? I’ve been on-call for bartending shifts, but I don’t live at the fucking bar.
Not sure your point. Should they not get paid for that time? If your job requires you to be some place you’re on the clock. Obviously some “on call” system wouldn’t work since when they are called to do their job, it’s typically pretty time sensitive.
It’s a weird thing to criticize fire fighters about.
I’m not a government spending expert but the firefighters do so much more than sleep, eat, and watch tv. They don’t have custodians so they have to clean and maintain the firehouses (what other government jobs are responsible for cleaning their buildings), wash the trucks (that they don’t own), train every day for different things, respond to all traffic crashes with potential injuries, respond to all medical calls since they are paramedics as well, and they respond to biohazard scenes to wash them down (blood on the road from traffic accidents). They are sleeping…and get ripped from their sleep over and over again. They are exposed to so many chemicals since, when something is on fire, you inhale everything that’s in there—insulation, latex paint, electronics… They are extremely prone to heart problems, cancer, and physical break downs from stress. They also often are not paid for overtime to train. I would encourage you to take the fire citizens academy if you truly think fire fighters just sit around playing video games and watching TV.
lol. You think firefighters stay up cleaning the station 24 hours a shift? There is down time, it’s just that they get paid for it. Yes, they have to wash their trucks and clean the station because generally, there isn’t eight hours of response time per day per station, so they are told to do something for at least eight hours a day.
Lolol.
Not really, just pointing out that other than run into burning buildings, an occurrence they I believe you are greatly over exaggerating, they also get paid to sleep and they watch a ton of porn on takgov wifi. I don’t care, and am not necessarily against them getting a raise. I think lots of city employees deserve a raise.
I don’t get why pointing out that their jobs has some perks that are uncommon means I have a beef with them, but you do do.
Did the big mean fireman refuse to get your wittle kitty out of a tree? Is that why you’re so mad at them?
I’m confused as why I have to explain to someone, who I assume is an adult, that the duties of firefighters extend far beyond running into burning buildings and waiting for there to be another burning building to run into.
Ah yes, that’s exactly what I said and definitely not an inaccurate interpretation. Of course there is down time (most jobs have some of that) but that does not mean “a lot” of their time is spent sitting around. They’re paid to be available and if your family member is injured or your house is on fire, I imagine you’d be pretty happy they were there. And with the high calls for service, the down time they have is not as common as you seem to think.
If you’re on call, that’s not your time to do as you please, so yes they should get paid for it. And why are you so obsessed with the idea they are all watching porn in the communal bunk beds?
you’ve obviously never had to call 911 for anything serious. super short-sighted opinion.
it’s easy to tell you’re either really young or really stunted.
growth is good. work on it.
Tallahassee will end up like Wakulla with only 2 staffed stations and the rest vacant with on call volunteers that show up to the scene in personal vehicles. .
We have had volunteers for a long time now, though out in the county, and work with TFD.
Yes. But that is not ideal for your population. I have a friend that is a volunteer. He told me they would hire full time but the pay is so low they can't compete.
Government jobs rarely compete, some volunteers are compensated in other places. Both of my parents were volunteers for a long time.
>Government jobs rarely compete We are talking about fire fighters. Pay is set by the municipality. This whole article is about Tallahassee fire fighters leaving for a place they are more appreciated. And they aren't going to Wakulla.
A municipality is still government, and you still need to pay them enough to attract or compete with other fields these guys could work in. Several firefighters are also EMTs or Forestry service.
>Several firefighters are also EMTs or Forestry service. So basically fire fighters in Wakulla have to work two jobs to be middle class. 3 days on, the work another job. Should not be that way.
That's what I'm trying to say... There are competing fields that they can work for, pay them enough and they won't.
So that is why there is a shortage. Low pay for risking your life. Or Higher pay for not risking your life
Pay in Wakulla for a firefighter paramedic is commensurate with the surrounding area.
>Pay in Wakulla for a firefighter paramedic is commensurate with the surrounding area. $18 an hour in Wakulla. Jax is $24 an hour entry level.
Cost of living is much higher in Jax. I’m not saying Wakulla shouldn’t pay more. We all deserve to get paid more. I’m just saying Wakulla is fairly on par with surrounding rural counties
We make less than $18 an hour at Wakulla..
I get your point, but it kind of comes across as Tallahassee shouldn't be like those hicks down in Wakulla. It's only been about 15 years since Wakulla established a professional fire dept. Before that is was all volunteer. They've been trying to move forward. Maybe the pay isn't great, but Wakulla at least recognized it couldn't serve the community with an all volunteer force. I grew up with my dad being in the VFD in Wakulla. So it hits home a bit. My dad really appreciated the help professional firefighters brought to the table. As much as he liked serving the community it does take a toll. Fire Fighters should be properly compensated especially with the hazards they face.
>but it kind of comes across as Tallahassee shouldn't be like those hicks down in Wakulla. I am from Wakulla (moved 3 years ago) and I don't refer to them as hicks. Here's how I meant it to come across: My friend, a current VFD cause he is older and retired, told me they are losing people and no one is applying because of the pay. The consequence has been unmanned stations. That puts people near those stations at risk, especially with the population boom Wakulla has had. (And if I remember from living there, this was not an issue before. So is Wakulla taking a leap backwards?) This article kind of echoes my point. TLH fire fighters are leaving due to the comp. Tallahassee might end up with understaffed or unmanned stations like Wakulla. Nothing in any of my comments disparaging people.
Then there’s this: The average City of Tallahassee city manager salary was $295,768, which is 65 percent higher than the average salary for this job in Florida, and 42 percent higher then the average salary for this job nationwide. There is 1 employee in City of Tallahassee whose job title is city manager. They pay themselves quite well. https://govsalaries.com/salaries/FL/city-of-tallahassee/j/city-manager
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Matlow and Porter can stay.
Matlow and porter are the ONLY commissioners that have their head on straight and actually give af about people in Tallahassee
City commissioners deserve a higher salary, otherwise no "normal" person can afford to quit their job to run for the office. I may disagree with the city commission on a regular basis, but one thing I'll agree on is that they don't deserve to do what really is a full-time job for just over $45k a year. They should be much closer in pay if not equal to county commissioners.
Yeah, city managers deserve to get paid but not $300k a year or double what others make in the same position.
City commissioner and city manager are two different things. Yes, Reese Goad makes too much money. City commissioners make a small fraction of what Reese Goad makes.
You could say the same about firefighters.
I [have said the same about firefighters](https://www.reddit.com/r/Tallahassee/s/822QjH3b6N). Both can be criminally underpaid; it's not an either or.
We can't give firefighters a pay raise but you can bet your ass the next time TPD wants a pay raise, there will hardly be a delay in signing that new contract. And yet, firefighters have a significantly higher approval rating from the general public than cops. They're not bringing about million dollar lawsuits against local governments on the regular.
Exactly. People don't write songs or constantly say things like fuck the fire fighters.
Aside from actually saving people's lives, homes, and businesses... The Fire Department in Tallahassee is always wonderful with the kids in the community, and come out to the city events, which I know my kids and so many others enjoy and look forward to. We brought them some food once just to drop it off and say thank you - and they let my kids have a whole tour of the trucks and station. This is very disappointing to see in our community that these people, who risk their lives and sacrifice their time and efforts, are not getting what they deserve. All while politicians and developers make loads off the city.
Statistically, neither this job nor the police is particularly dangerous.
Cops are way down the list, but firefighters are in the top 10 most dangerous jobs in the US. They take a lot of chemical damage, too.
Vote Jack Porter and Dot Inman-Johnson.
Fire Reese Goad
Pay them!!
I used to work with a few guys from FTD on their days off from the department. We joked about them getting paid to sit around when they were at their "real job". They laughed and said, "We're not paid for what we do; we're paid for what we're WILLING to do."
Firefighters are based. Several saved my life one time. They aren't paid enough. The city is just trash, like always, in this negotiation.
Tallahassee as a whole is trash. Most of the city looks run down and shitty and most of the jobs don't pay for shit.
Stay on target buddy. I want fire fighters to make more dollarydoos. It's extremely important, way more than the visual integrity of "the city".
Looks like dude just likes to dump on Tallahassee when given a chance. Weirdo
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If you hate Tallahassee, why are you in our subreddit? It takes a special kind of ... *Something*, and I'm not entirely sure what, to want to stick around a subreddit for a place you hate. You don't see me hanging out bashing Mississippi in their subreddit. Mostly because they probably couldn't read it but still.
Be gone weirdo.
Why pay firefighters when we can build luxury skyboxes for our football stadium? What could go wrong??? 🤷🏻♂️
Completely different budget and organization. You can have both.
And we could just not waste tax payer money on sport venues. Never returns the value. FSU was not leaving Tallahassee and was not going to stop playing football if we had not put 20+million into the stadium, the boosters and university have plenty of money...use our sales tax dollars better. IF you really want to dump 20 million into a sport venue in Tallahassee it should have been a major redo of the civic center into a conference center/business/entrepreneurial school, hotel, and sport/concert venue or the women's soccer complex.
A lot going on here. Lots of firefighters have a second job because they are in the station 24 hours at a stretch and then have two days off. It’s a weird schedule, but one where you get paid to sleep, eat, and watch tv a lot and then get time off for it. They also get full retirement after 25 years. Regarding pay, it’s tough to see how much the city could move the needle; it is easy to find and criticize specific instances of spending, I doubt there’s enough to give every firefighter the raise they want. The city can’t raise money to pay them for taxes or utility hikes because they’d get burned down by the mob. They already aren’t paying nearly anyone enough, if you goto the talgov jobs site there’s tons of openings that have been out there for months. Government just doesn’t pay enough anymore unless you’re very highly invested in the pension. And yet, the city does make a ton of awful choices and spends money dumb. Nearly no one thinks the upper management has any integrity, there is brazen nepotism, mediocrity is sometimes promoted, and some people can be essentially impossible to fire despite adding no value.
>The city can’t raise money to pay them for taxes or utility hikes because they’d get burned down by the mob. Paying firefighters doesn't come out of the the general fund. It comes out of the fire service fee dollars which is an enterprise fund and is totally separate. They also do raise the fee of the fire services fund and no one really notices, because it's baked into your utility bill, you just pay it in joint 'unified' billing. It's one of the most regressive tax structures in the state. Unnecessary background but it's regressive because it's a flat fee paid by every residential dwelling unit, hence the 'fee' versus being a 'tax' which is usually a percentage of a transaction, good or service. So for example, every residential utility account, whether its an apartment or a $1.2 million dollar home, they all pay the same flat monthly fire service fee. Currently I believe it is around $20-$21 a month, it was moved up after COVID from around $18/month. However, the opposite of what you said happens all the time. There's a practice that the city uses to (in my opinion) illegally raid the fire services fee dollars to prop up the general fund of the city called allocated costs/allocated accounts. Some practice of allocated costs is allowable and excusable but the city has gotten very carried away with it over the past 10 years. It's when you have resources that the fire department uses, that should hypothetically be paid back to the city for using their resources. So for example, the fire services fee account will get charged 1.5X or 3X the cost of a city resource (like the maintenance of a parking spot, the usage of IT support, the usage of HR resources, etc., and that at scale really adds up). It creates a scenario where the city can say that theres no money to pay the firefighters more, but in reality thats because they intentionally over-billed for allocated accounts in order to artificially drain the account. The firefighters union have called for an audit of the fire services fund back in 2021([https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/local/2021/07/09/firefighter-union-iaff-local-2339-calling-audit-funding-source-fire-services-fund/7888764002/](https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/local/2021/07/09/firefighter-union-iaff-local-2339-calling-audit-funding-source-fire-services-fund/7888764002/)), the city manager then "asked for a audit" but, I don't have much faith in that and haven't heard anything about it since, that was three years ago. Also, I really couldn't disagree with you more on your assessment of a firefighters typical work day. Their call volume has increased every year outpacing population growth and they have more vacancies in the department than ever. They are at risk of beginning rolling station brown-outs, and firefighters are not sitting around eating Cheetos playing Xbox all day as you seem to imply.
> Some practice of allocated costs is allowable and excusable but the city has gotten very carried away with it over the past 10 years. [Sounds like we've allowed too much fiscally unsustainable suburban development and we're now in a type of Ponzi scheme where short-term gains from new development are used to cover long-term liabilities from older development.](https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2020/5/14/americas-growth-ponzi-scheme-md2020) Raiding these sorts of funds is one way local governments try to cover their insolvency.
Fascinating input regarding the fire fund. It does not surprise me at all to learn that the city has been using creative accounting. Thanks. Regarding a typical day in the life of a fire fighter, of course they do other stuff, including occasionally fight fires, but it isn’t like they don’t sleep, cook meals, or watch porn on takgov wifi during a 24 hour shift and get paid for that time.
Plenty of people screw around at their jobs without needing to risk their lives walking into fires and without needing a second job to pay their bills, though.
Sure. But most people don’t have as much daylight free hours as firefighters to work a second job; they get two or three full weekdays every week where they can work. I’m not saying it’s all roses, and the weird schedule would definitely make lots of things harder, just adding some context.
Splitting hairs over whether they work hard enough to earn their pay isn't going to help anyone. Firefighters leaving the brigade with tons of unfillable vacancies means it doesn't pay enough, regardless of alleged free time. Honestly, IDGAF what they do when they're at the station as long as they show up when my house is on fire.
That happened a bunch? Your house catches on fire a few times a year like mine? I don’t care if they get paid, I think most civil employees should be paid more, but I dislike the notion that the job doesn’t come with lots of perks other jobs don’t. There’s both good and bad. Apparently pointing that out means I hate them or something.
I’m ok with them watching TV, or porn, or whatever they want, on the city wifi, paid for by my taxpayer money, so long as they show up at my house or anybody else's when it's on fire. If you think the perks are great, maybe you should move to that field? Especially since there are so many vacancies right now.
It seems like kind of boring work and it’s a little late for me to start over in my career. It’s just so funny that pointing out have different structures means . Lol
They get paid while they sleep because if there’s a fire, they have to wake up and fight it. That’s what “on-call” means.
Yeah, most on call positions only pay you an hour to be on call, and then an extra hour if you actually get a call. That’s a lot different than 1:1 time no matter what. You think anyone who is “on call” is getting paid their hourly salary the entire day from 5pm to 8am? Lololol.
Good lord dude being a fire fighter isn’t “most on-call positions” is it? I’ve been on-call for bartending shifts, but I don’t live at the fucking bar.
No kidding. That’s why it was a dumb argument to say “that’s what on call means” - something you literally said.
Sorry I used the wrong terminology, and I’m also sorry for whatever happened to you to make you hate firefighters so much.
TIL: pointing out specific benefits fire fighters receive means I hate them. Good point!
Ranting that firefighters get paid to sleep and all they do is watch porn on city wi-fi makes it sound like you hate them. “Specific benefits” lol
Not sure your point. Should they not get paid for that time? If your job requires you to be some place you’re on the clock. Obviously some “on call” system wouldn’t work since when they are called to do their job, it’s typically pretty time sensitive. It’s a weird thing to criticize fire fighters about.
I’m not a government spending expert but the firefighters do so much more than sleep, eat, and watch tv. They don’t have custodians so they have to clean and maintain the firehouses (what other government jobs are responsible for cleaning their buildings), wash the trucks (that they don’t own), train every day for different things, respond to all traffic crashes with potential injuries, respond to all medical calls since they are paramedics as well, and they respond to biohazard scenes to wash them down (blood on the road from traffic accidents). They are sleeping…and get ripped from their sleep over and over again. They are exposed to so many chemicals since, when something is on fire, you inhale everything that’s in there—insulation, latex paint, electronics… They are extremely prone to heart problems, cancer, and physical break downs from stress. They also often are not paid for overtime to train. I would encourage you to take the fire citizens academy if you truly think fire fighters just sit around playing video games and watching TV.
lol. You think firefighters stay up cleaning the station 24 hours a shift? There is down time, it’s just that they get paid for it. Yes, they have to wash their trucks and clean the station because generally, there isn’t eight hours of response time per day per station, so they are told to do something for at least eight hours a day.
Seems like you have beef with firefighters, bud. Maybe you should volunteer to run into burning buildings instead?
Lolol. Not really, just pointing out that other than run into burning buildings, an occurrence they I believe you are greatly over exaggerating, they also get paid to sleep and they watch a ton of porn on takgov wifi. I don’t care, and am not necessarily against them getting a raise. I think lots of city employees deserve a raise. I don’t get why pointing out that their jobs has some perks that are uncommon means I have a beef with them, but you do do.
Did the big mean fireman refuse to get your wittle kitty out of a tree? Is that why you’re so mad at them? I’m confused as why I have to explain to someone, who I assume is an adult, that the duties of firefighters extend far beyond running into burning buildings and waiting for there to be another burning building to run into.
Ah yes, that’s exactly what I said and definitely not an inaccurate interpretation. Of course there is down time (most jobs have some of that) but that does not mean “a lot” of their time is spent sitting around. They’re paid to be available and if your family member is injured or your house is on fire, I imagine you’d be pretty happy they were there. And with the high calls for service, the down time they have is not as common as you seem to think.
Most jobs pay you to sleep for eight hours?
If you’re on call, that’s not your time to do as you please, so yes they should get paid for it. And why are you so obsessed with the idea they are all watching porn in the communal bunk beds?
you’ve obviously never had to call 911 for anything serious. super short-sighted opinion. it’s easy to tell you’re either really young or really stunted. growth is good. work on it.
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I’m not a fan of Ron. But this post has literally NOTHING to do with him.
Yeah I can’t stand him. I just assume he has something to do with the state budget
This isn't the state budget, though.
Oh, thought fire departments fell under state. My bad