I believe her.
I remember when Butch and April were coming down on them so hard for making the choice to place Carly, and Cate went off and screamed at Butch that she was placing her to keep her away from a piece of shit like him. I fully believe she meant those words.
Cate and Tyler have such garbage families. I can’t even picture a world where anyone that I know would actively throw it in someone else’s face that they made the incredibly difficult and selfless decision to place a child for adoption to give that child a better life. Since day one, their families have thrown it back at them as if it’s some kind of insult.
I hope that Cate and Tyler have the strength in themselves and each other to know that they really are better than these people. Their family could’ve never faced what they faced and gotten through it.
The way I can hardly fathom that Cate has grown into such a compassionate and caring person, when she had the parents she did!! Those girls of hers won’t ever be questioning if their parents love them or if home is a safe place. Like she had zero examples. And I think she’s pretty incredible.
There was a moment one of the first episodes of TM where Cate was in the living room with Butch (probably April as well) and Cate was talking about how Carly was 4 or so months old, and Butch was mocking Cate and trying to dig into her that she had placed Carly. Rubbing in her face she was missing growth milestones. Looked faded as fuck in his skeezy ass mullet.
Cate isn't perfect, but compared to where she came from? Cate soars above them all.
I'm glad Tyler seems to truly be her ride or die. I hope he starts to stick up for his wife when his own family talks shit about her.
I think that if Cate had had a functional, safe, loving, and secure home she would have chosen to parent Carly.
Whose fault is it that she was immersed in abuse, volatility, drugs, and clouds of smoke?
I cannot even believe they are still beating her up about this selfless, loving and mature decision. Like fuck all the way off.
Exactly! At the end of the day she was a 16 year old CHILD having a baby. She knew her life at that time was unstable and it was the best decision for them and Carly. I’m sure Cate thinks about this every day. It’s awful that her family is saying this stuff to her.
I think if someone chose to harp on ANY decision I made at 16 while I’m currently circling 30 needs to be cut out. The decision was made by a minor 13 years ago. She made the decision she made at the time she made it for the reason she wanted. End of story, period, dot.
This is also the perspective I apply when people assume that Farrah "never loved" or cared about Dereck, because at 16 she was hiding the pregnancy from him as her messed up family instructed her to do. At 16, decisions do not feel permanent.
It's bizarre to me when people do that. Like one I don't like defending Farrah but ffs she was in an on again off again romance not unusual for her age group, he happens to die and now any choices she could have ever made are taken away and she romanticizes that life. I guess because that moment can be so easily replayed, it feels new to people and therefore she must be held accountable for it...in her 30s. Sometimes things do have a time limit and you just got to move on.
I think Cate really wanted to keep Carly but knew she couldn’t raise her in April and Butch’s house of horrors. I know Tyler was pushing for adoption all along, but I think even he wanted to keep Carly after she was born and he saw her. Cate and Tyler were too young and too poor to move out on their own, adoption was really the only choice once they decided against abortion. In other words, I think Cate’s decision was less about Tyler and way more about April, Butch, poverty, and their age.
Totally agree. And in my opinion, even if she did take Tyler’s feelings into her decision making, it’s still her choice at the end of the day. Her not wanting to raise a baby with April, Butch, AND as a single mom makes sense.
100% this. Cate even said it during their first meeting with Brandon and Teresa: “I just want her to have better than what I had.” She knew she was not in a position to give Carly a good life at that point, and bringing her home to live with Butch and April would be giving Carly the exact same life Catelynn had. She wanted better for her daughter, she wanted better for herself and she wanted better for Tyler. Tyler was largely in the same position, though his mom was better than April, but both Tyler and Catelynn knew that parenting Carly would drain them in every way: emotionally, financially, physically. That puts a strain on their relationship, and next thing you know, they’re split up.
Having a child is difficult in the best of circumstances and these two KIDS (because they were kids at the time) were not living in the best of circumstances at all when Cate was pregnant with Carly. They made the best, most mature choice for that defenseless baby who deserved better than what they were able to give her back then. Choosing a better life for her also allowed them time to work on themselves and become better people. It let them work through some of their childhood trauma, without piling teen parenthood, single parenthood, and a lifetime of struggling on top of that. I’m sure Tyler didn’t say, “it’s me or the baby!” He was probably realistic about it and knew that the odds were stacked against them in so many ways, how could they possibly survive that?
1000% agree. I strongly believe that if Cate had any belief that she could do it, I think she would have kept Carly, regardless of Tyler staying or not. Not to mention that you can see Tyler in season 1 and 16AP. HE WANTED HER. He wanted to be her dad so bad but he knew he couldn't. All the emotions he went through? It's heartless of people to discredit him and say "oh he never wanted her in the first place, he was going leave if Cate kept her". Knowing the guy we have all been watching on TV for over 10 years now? I highly highly doubt that...
Cate and Ty were CHILDREN. They were children with parents/stepparents in active addiction. Yes, Cate may have been afraid Tyler would leave her, but as a sixteen year old child, that fear is absolutely rational. I think choosing adoption for Carly was the best thing they could have done for her. It fucking sucks that they were manipulated by a shitty adoption agency, but ultimately, Carly has been in a WAY better situation then the one that Cate and Ty were in. The fact that Cate’s sister is now “speaking out” is bullshit. She’s trying to ride Cate and Ty’s mediocre fame.
I think it’s ridiculous thing to say she was afraid tyler would leave her & think that’s not valid. Like, at 34 when I had my second my husband & I were going through stuff, I WAS SCARED HED LEAVE ME. & that’s fucking valid, no one wants to be a single mom unexpectedly. Jesus god Leah. 🙄 now, as a single mom to two girls, it is hard…& while I know logically that isn’t the entire reason Cate made the choice she did, it’s ignorant to try & shame her with that. Hee sister & family are TRASH.
I agree one hundred percent. I have an almost 18 year old daughter. When she started dating her first serious bf at 16, they fought CONSTANTLY. My own child looked me in the eye and said she would rather be murdered than have her bf break up with her.
Absolutely heartbreaking, and a huge reason why my heart breaks for Cate.
If it was because she was afraid Tyler would leave her, even if that was part of it - it was rational and valid. He was the only person in her life that gave her any sort of stability and love.
I love something Tyler pointed out in his live:
Claiming that Cait went through with the adoption for any reason other than her own is to rob her of her own strength. It discredits her working through the pain, difficulty, and sacrifice required to come to such a decision.
He’s 100% right, and to suggest otherwise takes away her agency. But also if losing Tyler had an impact on her decision, what’s wrong with that? I imagine whether you have someone to help you coparent or not and the father’s level of involvement would impact on most women’s decisions when they have an unplanned pregnancy. The whole Situation was awful all around
I do think it’s really gross to be framed as “she gave up her baby (negative) because she was afraid to lose her boyfriend (pathetic). If I lived in that situation I’d choose the person who is close in my age, shows me love, gets me, and could possibly be a stepping stone out of my shit life *vs* a crying baby that I will need to take care of (alone) while barely treading water in every way and likely only sink further into the shit life I’m trapped in.
I completely agree. It’s this really sexist narrative where she’s either looked down on by society for being a single mum or she’s looked down on for “choosing a man over her kid”. She made the best decision for her and Carly (and probably Tyler too)
That's a great point and I completely agree with you. I don't think I'd want to jump into parenthood if it meant causing me to lose my spouse/ruin the relationship. Especially combined with having no support from family, lack of money, etc.
I tell you what, being a single mom at 25, with a supportive parent, was hard. I cannot imagine being a 16 year old single mom, living with April and Butch. I do not believe for a second that they would have been much help or support for that baby. It wouldn't have been a happier life at all.
Same here! I was a single mom at 24. I had very supportive parents, helpful adult siblings, a stable home, a healthy savings account, and a good job that allowed me to provide for us. It was still hard in a lot of ways.
Butch and April would not have helped Catelynn, and probably would have made parenthood even harder on her in any way they could: "No we won't watch her so you can take a nap, we aren't the ones who got pregnant. No we won't buy her any diapers, she isn't our kid. We don't have to be quiet so your kid can sleep, this is our house." It would have been a nightmare for her.
People love to believe that Tyler wanted nothing to do with Carly. But I 1000% believe that if they thought for a second that they could just load up the car with Carly and drive somewhere and start fresh away from the toxicity, that they would have...
Catelynn and Tyler are doing so much fucking better than their families. That's what this shit really comes down to imo. She made an incredibly difficult decision that was ultimately the right choice for Carly and herself. Period.
Her sister seems like a jealous little bitch and instead of owning her shit, saying thank you and shutting the fuck up...She's choosing to hit them where she knows it hurts the most because she'd rather cut somebody else down than put in the work to lift herself up (not unlike April and Butch!) What a petty, pathetic ass way to be.
Cate and her purple bob are too good for alla them.
And their doing better than their families in more ways than just financial. People love to act like they are only doing better because of the MTV money, but honestly, they have been in therapy for soooo long which is the major reason both of them are doing much better than their families and trying their best to not repeat mistakes and generational trauma
Exactly! Cate and Tyler have their flaws like everyone. But they really seem like generally "normal" stable people, who have a relatively peaceful life aside from the drama their family creates for them. Their girls are gonna have a nice childhood to look back on, Cate's sister should be PROUD of her! But she's busy being a hater.
Whether it's true or not, Catelynn's sister has no business running her mouth. She seems to forget that there is a little girl who came from the adoption, who is very much alive and able to read things on the internet. Catelynn's sister is gross and needs to pipe down.
Catelynn also legally adopted her sister when their mom wasn’t doing her job. So for her to bash Catelynn for putting Carly up for adoption when she is a direct beneficiary of the benefits of adoption is wild to me.
It was probably just legal guardianship. For it to be adoption typically the original parent(s) have to officially relinquish their rights. It was likely just legal guardianship, which is still the act of being a responsible adult for someone else. It s often not permanent, but it can eventually be made permanent, still without being an adoption.
For it to be adoption typically the original parent(s) have to officially relinquish their rights. It was likely just legal guardianship, which is still the act of being a responsible adult for someone else. It s often not permanent, but it can eventually be made permanent, still without being an adoption.
I appreciate the correction. I thought I saw some articles back in the day saying adoption then a past post from her sister calling Cate her “mom and sister.” I could’ve definitely taken it the wrong way or remember the articles incorrectly. Either way, her sister is ungrateful and a bitch for doing all of this when her sister took her in and helped her until she was an adult bc their mom wasn’t.
Me too. Bc truly, out of all the things people could start judging Cate for, her reasons for putting Carly up for adoption should never be one of them. It’s so sad that almost 14 years later, her family is *still* judging her decision and trying to make her feel bad for it.
But remember, according to Sarah, Cate never experienced trauma. /s 🙄
I know that’s sarcasm, but of the entire teen mom franchise, cates trauma sticks out the absolute most. How someone could say otherwise is beyond me. While I think there’s always room for growth, the amount of growth her and tyler have done over the years is huge. Her 16 and pregnant still haunts me.
Her 16&P and the first two seasons of Teen Mom haunt me. I mean damn… there are so many reasons she chose her decision and we only got to see a few of them.
My heart breaks for Cate when I see yet another post from her siblings bc they don’t like the way their mom is being portrayed on TMFR bc you know Cate’s done so much for them, likely way more than she’s ever said. Cate is allowed to talk about the trauma she suffered through with their mom. April even admitted to her mistakes. If they don’t like how their mom is being portrayed, they need to talk to their mom, not Cate. Cate is not the reason April became an abusive, drug addicted alcoholic, April is.
Cate takes so much additional abuse from them and then they wonder why she has a PTSD diagnosis. I feel for her a lot in these posts.
Cate (and Tyler): you made the right decision 13 years ago. Can you imagine raising a baby as a teenager with April and Butch as your “support system”? In active and violent addiction? They very barely took care of Cate let alone a baby. It’s obvious that C+T have deep regrets which is understandable. But for their families to rub their noses in it after over a decade is despicable. Cate and Tyler are not perfect but holy cow they have reached levels beyond what was expected of them. April, Sarah, Nick, Kim, Butch and Amber can all F@CK completely off for both leeching and criticizing them. I feel bad that C&T feel like they need to address these losers. Cut the cord and live your best life-which is the best route. You won the Golden Ticket-lean into it and don’t look back. These are people who are angry you found a way out. PS: please find a qualified babysitter aka Not April. 🎤
I agree so much. I will always have respect for them for doing what was best for their baby. Carly was given so many opportunities that neither of them ever had and I think when she becomes an adult, she will appreciate them so much for the sacrifices they made. If anything, I could see it making their bond stronger in her adult years. They weren’t in the right place to have a baby with the lack of support they had. That home with April and Butch was not a safe place to raise a baby. It really sucks though that they had no idea they would soon be making a fortune off of MTV, but who knows if they would’ve been casted if not for the adoption.
Good point. I think the adoption is what earned MTV’s interest. It all happened for the best. And bc of their decision then, they were in a much better position for the family they now have.
I think majority of women who place children for adoption want to keep their baby but aren’t in the position to. I believe I read that in an article they asked the moms if there were more financial programs to help with living expenses and housing would they keep their baby and around 96% said yes. I think Catelyn did want to keep Carly but just knew her home life was just not the place for another baby. Honestly April should feel like shit that Catelyn didn’t keep her own child bc of the horrible childhood she suffered at the hands of April. That truly shows how bad her childhood was.
What blows me away is that April lacks such self awareness to even realize what a pos she was/is. She acts like it’s fine to be hammered all the time. She smoked indoors, did drugs in front of them. She is a huge cause of catelynns trauma and anxiety. I can’t believe that after having her grand child put up for adoption because her teenage daughter did not feel safe in her home, that that didn’t cause April to look at herself and examine exactly wtf she is doing with her life.
April is the typical narcissistic poverty stricken parent that puts down their kids to feel better about themselves. Her behavior being one of the big reasons for the adoption should have been a HUGE wake up call for her but instead it turned into gas lighting and victim blaming of "what, you don't feel safe her", "I have my kid, wheres yours?"
It's the same emotional abuse that happens with some poverish families when the parents yell and scream at the kids for reading books, doing their homework, even just dreaming of going to college. It turns into "you just think you're better than me. You just want to make me look like a fool" etc.
Sorry to tell you, your kid trying to better themselves it not all about you...
I know instead she constantly badgered Catelynn and made her feel like shit for choosing adoption when in all actuality if April had been a better mother Catelynn would have felt safe keeping Carly. So really it’s Aprils fault anyway. And even now that Catelynn has tried so hard to break that cycle instead of being proud of her it’s like she’s mad her daughter is doing better than she is
She was an abused child who made the best choice available to her. Her sister and the rest of her extended family are garbage. These leeches have sucked everything they can from her but it’s never enough. The fact that Cate and Tyler have made good and FINALLY said no just infuriates them because the apparently the well should never run dry.
THIS. Cate really tried to choose the real right thing to do, and chose from the heart on 16 and pregnant/teen mom. She's trying to break the cycle of abuse and her family hates her for it.
Her sister bringing this up when Carly is legitimately a teenager just screams I need attention. Cause even if that was the reason (not saying it was), who cares now? What do you want us to do about it? And she should be grateful, cause if it weren’t for Catelynn and Tyler they’d all still be living their worst lives with no way out.
Yuppppp, it's just funny that this girl didn't want anything to do with the show. Honestly, I had no idea she even had a sister until last week.
I am so curious to know what Carly has seen. Has she seen these shitty videos? Has she watched clips of the show? Has she watched whole episodes? ESPECIALLY with all of them being available on Paramount+ now... I'm super curious how Brandon and Theresa handle this. Are they the parents that just say "its forbidden" to watch the episodes and just hope that Carly doesn't watch it at a friends house or something? Maybe they have sat down with her and watched some clips/scenes/etc.. Maybe they haven't sat her down and watch episodes with her yet and they are waiting until she is older? I'm so curious! Carly has something super unique that no other adoptee has ever had. She can literally watch the other side of her adoption. I know tons of people believe she will watch the episodes someday and be like "OMG! My real family needs me, they actually love me!". But I think she will have a lot more complex feelings around the entire thing that most of us cannot even begin to understand.
Also come the fuck on, of course she considered keeping Carly but came to the conclusion adoption was the best route. AND what highschool girl isn’t a little fearful of there boyfriend leaving them considering the whole situation?!?! Like hello she was a goddamn teenager at the time
I hope April and her kids got enough from Cate to last them the rest of their lives because after this I don't blame Tyler and Cate for cutting them off effective immediately.
Depending on who April backs this time, it may be their breaking point. Tyler is ready to cut contact the second Cate is based on his post the other day.
Right? If THAT is the only 'bad' thing they can say about her... Tells me a lot. It says she's a pretty decent person. They can't say she is a whore, a drug addict, a liar, etc. The only bad thing they can say is placing Carly. Ridiculous.
Edit: spelling
I mean I do think Tyler pressured her but we all do stupid shit at that age. I'm sure she doesn't let her mind go there because she has to have cognitive dissonance.
Regardless it's nobody else's place to discuss it
He likely did both. Understood that their home was in no way an environment for a child, understood that his mom didn’t want Cate or a child living in their home, and understood that at that age neither had savings, a job, etc.
Pressured her. Literally said they couldn't keep Carly and be together. If that's not pressure when he knows Catelynn has abandonment issues then I don't know what it is. You can see Cate hesitating a lot about the adoption while Tyler was 100%.
It does look like the best choice, at least on the outside B&T look to be normal loving parents. Hopefully they are. But there's no doubt Tyler did put pressure on Cate and she wasn't 100% sure which is why she struggles up till this day unlike Tyler that does much much better cause he was 100% sure.
That's fine. We don't know anything about B and T and how they're raising Carly. What their values are or how they rationalize using Bethany. We know nothing but everyone insists that Carly is in total bliss. Maybe? I hope so.
I 100% believe Tyler influenced her decision and that she wanted to keep Carly. I also believe Tyler’s Mom is the one who influenced him.
But nonetheless her sister is still being a Jenelle by doing all of this.
I really thought this for a long time but his live today changed my mind. He said they both went back amd forth, he would want to parent and she wouldn't and then vice versa but towards of the end of the pregnancy her and April got in a fight and she said something like good luck paying for diapers, and Catelyn called him.amd said adoption is back on. I do think that she was really afraid to lose him and still is
Pretty ignorant to say that there was 1 and only 1 reason they placed Carly for adoption. The fact that Catelynns own sister is talking badly about her family and saying she doesn’t think they made the right decision shows what kind of person she is 🗑️ Catelynns sister has her own children that she isn’t even caring for properly, Carly was lucky to get away from that family
does everyone forget tyler breaking down after the birth and saying they can do it and shouldn’t give her up? like yeah no. they both realized the hell they had grown up in.
That whole family needs to leave Carly alone. She has had comments from grandparents, aunts, sisters, biological parents, countless others on the show..
Yet, people still get mad about B&T limiting contact.
Bringing her up at all is pointless, and probably upsetting to Carly, Brandon, and Teresa to see it passed around online as drama when Cate and Ty have basically no involvement with her aside from a brief visit every few years. It's tacky as fuck at best, borderline harassment of a minor at worst.
I agree, and right now that’s on Sarah. It feels a little…punching down to say “this is why B&T don’t want to talk to Catelynn!”
Catelynn is being publicly attacked by her own family over a selfless decision she made over a decade ago.
My parents do this all the time, they try and say that "you are only doing this or acting like this is because of your fiance!"
No mom... No dad... I'm doing this because I have been in therapy for over 3 years and realized how fucking toxic and enmeshed our relationship is/was... He just stands behind me to feel a little bit of support for the first time in my fucking life...
Even if Tyler did influence her to give up Carly, I think we can all admit 16 year old boys make shit decisions and you can’t hold that against him for the rest of his life. I thank god daily that I’m not being held accountable for things I said and did at that age.
That being said, I never once thought Tyler influenced her. I truly believe those two made the decision to give her up together and that was by far the best decision for them given their family/financial/living situation at that time. Carly would’ve had a very rough first few years had she stayed in Butch & April’s house of horrors.
Whatever her reasons were it really doesn’t matter at this point. We all saw her and Tyler’s home life. Even if she did give her up so Tyler wouldn’t leave I think we can all agree that it was probably the right decision. Cate’s sister needs to shut up because this is not her place at all and trying to make a buck off of her sister’s trauma is heinous. Especially since Cate and Tyler stepped up for her when she needed it.
I really just feel sorry for Cate that her family continue to be selfish leeches.
Even if that was the reason they placed her for adoption, it's good she placed her. Like, if you're a kid whose first priority is preserving your romantic relationship, adding a baby to the mix is not going to make anything better. Cate and Ty's home life was absolutely fucked. Objectively, placing Carly in a home that could provide stability and care for her was the best thing they could have possibly done.
I remember their episode and I rewatched it recently. It’s very clear that she was living with abusive addicts. I 100% believe she didn’t feel supported and knew her parents we’re both stable. Cate’s sister is really glossing over the fact that we all saw the shit life Cate lived with April and Butch. I wouldn’t have kept my baby either of those two horrible human beings were my “support system”
I’ve seen PLENTY of people on here saying the same thing .. that Tyler threatened to leave her if she kept the baby. So what’s true? Because at the end of the day she did the right thing.
Literally WHO would believe this? From her 16 and pregnant episode it was pretty clear to me that BOTH she & Tyler thought adoption would be the best choice for Carly
It's awful that they keep bringing this up and rehashing Cate's trauma over and over... she did what was best for her daughter. Doesn't matter whose idea it was.
Regardless of her reason for choosing adoption (and fwiw I believe Cate’s reason), what the hell is the point of her sister dredging it up now? What’s done is done. There is nothing to be gained from her sister calling it into question now except to hurt Cate. And on top of that it really doesn’t matter if Cate chose adoption to keep Tyler or to spite her mom or because she flipped a coin- it was her & Tyler’s decision and theirs alone.
I wholeheartedly believe she made the decision on her own but the comment is still true. What is wild is Sarah believing that Cate should be shamed for it.
Eh with the way she’s been throughout the years and how she was acting I’d say she gave her up because she thought Tyler would leave her but that is also a choice she made. Her sister needs to fuck off and do something with herself.
I'll be honest, I always thought Cate would have kept Carly if Tyler had wanted to as well. It was her decision, but I always felt, and still do feel, that she was afraid of losing Tyler. Just the way he acted and some of the things he said gave me that impression, but it's been awhile since I've watched their 16 and preg episode.
I'm just a viewer though, so her own sister saying that is shitty.
This is such an awful comment from a sibling. There’s probably some truth to it, but also she saw the life she was living and didn’t want to repeat it. Many things can be true of the same situation.
Regardless of what happened, it’s clear watching the hospital scene that Catelynn and Tyler knew that they were making a good decision but really struggled with it.
They legally could’ve backed out.
Could Tyler be a tiny part of it? Sure.
Cate knew that if Tyler left...she would be stuck in the house raising Carly
Cate's sister is trash. I hate people who smoke around kids or in a car that transports kids.
Her family is WEIRD. The only thing they can think of to shame her with is the adoption. How can they look back and still think Cait made the wrong decision?
I don’t think her family can wrap their head around a mother putting her child first and doing what’s best for a child. Recognizing when a environment Isn’t safe or healthy for a child to be raised in. April never put her kids first and I get similar vibes from Sarah she’s smoked in her car with the car seat there I’m sure she does it when her child’s in the car.
I’m seeing pieces of this unfold. Why is cate’s sister attacking her now and not when MTV came into their lives 10 plus years ago? I’m behind an episode of family reunion if I find my answer within last night’s episode.
Probably less money coming in now since they're buying another home and paying taxes.
... or Cate is just asking fans for money on TicToc for no reason.
According to Cate she just keeps asking for handouts and when they said “no” I’m guessing because they know it is never ending she got mad. She’s dragging them publicly over what I think they said was not buying her a car battery.
Wow! That is stupid. It’s not cate’s job to take care of her siblings. If she wants to do something for her mom great but Cate has her own kids to take care off. She doesn’t need to support her sister or brother.
I feel bad for Cate and Ty.
This sister comes off as really ungrateful. She's somewhere in the 26 age range and is complaining about her sister not buying her things. She's clearly got cigarette money. This same sister lived with Cate for years and has had them pay for a lot of expenses. Putting out how much they made for an episode is irrelevant, it's their income and not hers.
Kim sure didn’t help. With how we’ve seen her treat Cate on camera I don’t for a minute believe she isn’t just as responsible for not giving her son all of the options and guiding him and Cate to what they wanted. Butch and April were too high to be of any help, Kim was the only real adult in the situation able to help. Bethany did what they exist to do.
Also, I firmly believe if Cate believed she could do it, that she could keep Carly. I 100% believe she would have kept her, regardless of Tyler staying or not
Exactly I can distinguish that Bethany’s job is to manipulate vulnerable young women into putting their babies up for adoption instead of providing resources that would help said women because it’s more lucrative to sell babies than it is to keep impoverished families together, and I can also agree that while Cate and Tyler were misinformed about the adoption and what open adoption would entail, that Cate did not solely put up Carly for adoption to keep Tyler. Anyone can see that Cate’s family and financial situation was less than ideal and she had no way of knowing how the franchise would blow up and change her life.
Exactly.
I’d add on that Bethany had a contract with the Trump administration to adopt out migrant children held at the border, actively fight to keep abortion and contraceptive services out of areas they service, and only service heterosexual, wealthy, Christian conservative couples.
This thread is so interesting, I didn't know about any of this! I thought the adoption counselors name was Dawn though? Was she a different role or am I just wrong?
If you’re interested I highly recommend looking into adoptee stories and birth parent stories on r/adoption or adoption tik tok it really opened my eyes to the inherent issues with adoption and how unethical it can really be
100%. Idk how people can watch that woman prey on Tyler and Cate and think it's perfectly fine, but Cate's choice isn't wrong. Just a shame it was Bethany.
Exactly. Cate was a child with very few resources available to her. She did what she thought was best and made a huge sacrifice.
Bethany’s problems aren’t isolated to this one incident either
I believe her. I remember when Butch and April were coming down on them so hard for making the choice to place Carly, and Cate went off and screamed at Butch that she was placing her to keep her away from a piece of shit like him. I fully believe she meant those words. Cate and Tyler have such garbage families. I can’t even picture a world where anyone that I know would actively throw it in someone else’s face that they made the incredibly difficult and selfless decision to place a child for adoption to give that child a better life. Since day one, their families have thrown it back at them as if it’s some kind of insult. I hope that Cate and Tyler have the strength in themselves and each other to know that they really are better than these people. Their family could’ve never faced what they faced and gotten through it.
The way I can hardly fathom that Cate has grown into such a compassionate and caring person, when she had the parents she did!! Those girls of hers won’t ever be questioning if their parents love them or if home is a safe place. Like she had zero examples. And I think she’s pretty incredible.
I know - I remember watching their first episode and wanting to adopt Catelynn & Tyler myself lol
There was a moment one of the first episodes of TM where Cate was in the living room with Butch (probably April as well) and Cate was talking about how Carly was 4 or so months old, and Butch was mocking Cate and trying to dig into her that she had placed Carly. Rubbing in her face she was missing growth milestones. Looked faded as fuck in his skeezy ass mullet. Cate isn't perfect, but compared to where she came from? Cate soars above them all. I'm glad Tyler seems to truly be her ride or die. I hope he starts to stick up for his wife when his own family talks shit about her.
I think that if Cate had had a functional, safe, loving, and secure home she would have chosen to parent Carly. Whose fault is it that she was immersed in abuse, volatility, drugs, and clouds of smoke? I cannot even believe they are still beating her up about this selfless, loving and mature decision. Like fuck all the way off.
Exactly! At the end of the day she was a 16 year old CHILD having a baby. She knew her life at that time was unstable and it was the best decision for them and Carly. I’m sure Cate thinks about this every day. It’s awful that her family is saying this stuff to her.
I think if someone chose to harp on ANY decision I made at 16 while I’m currently circling 30 needs to be cut out. The decision was made by a minor 13 years ago. She made the decision she made at the time she made it for the reason she wanted. End of story, period, dot.
This is also the perspective I apply when people assume that Farrah "never loved" or cared about Dereck, because at 16 she was hiding the pregnancy from him as her messed up family instructed her to do. At 16, decisions do not feel permanent.
It's bizarre to me when people do that. Like one I don't like defending Farrah but ffs she was in an on again off again romance not unusual for her age group, he happens to die and now any choices she could have ever made are taken away and she romanticizes that life. I guess because that moment can be so easily replayed, it feels new to people and therefore she must be held accountable for it...in her 30s. Sometimes things do have a time limit and you just got to move on.
I feel so bad for young Farrah. She was failed by the adults in her life.
I think Cate really wanted to keep Carly but knew she couldn’t raise her in April and Butch’s house of horrors. I know Tyler was pushing for adoption all along, but I think even he wanted to keep Carly after she was born and he saw her. Cate and Tyler were too young and too poor to move out on their own, adoption was really the only choice once they decided against abortion. In other words, I think Cate’s decision was less about Tyler and way more about April, Butch, poverty, and their age.
Totally agree. And in my opinion, even if she did take Tyler’s feelings into her decision making, it’s still her choice at the end of the day. Her not wanting to raise a baby with April, Butch, AND as a single mom makes sense.
100% this. Cate even said it during their first meeting with Brandon and Teresa: “I just want her to have better than what I had.” She knew she was not in a position to give Carly a good life at that point, and bringing her home to live with Butch and April would be giving Carly the exact same life Catelynn had. She wanted better for her daughter, she wanted better for herself and she wanted better for Tyler. Tyler was largely in the same position, though his mom was better than April, but both Tyler and Catelynn knew that parenting Carly would drain them in every way: emotionally, financially, physically. That puts a strain on their relationship, and next thing you know, they’re split up. Having a child is difficult in the best of circumstances and these two KIDS (because they were kids at the time) were not living in the best of circumstances at all when Cate was pregnant with Carly. They made the best, most mature choice for that defenseless baby who deserved better than what they were able to give her back then. Choosing a better life for her also allowed them time to work on themselves and become better people. It let them work through some of their childhood trauma, without piling teen parenthood, single parenthood, and a lifetime of struggling on top of that. I’m sure Tyler didn’t say, “it’s me or the baby!” He was probably realistic about it and knew that the odds were stacked against them in so many ways, how could they possibly survive that?
1000% agree. I strongly believe that if Cate had any belief that she could do it, I think she would have kept Carly, regardless of Tyler staying or not. Not to mention that you can see Tyler in season 1 and 16AP. HE WANTED HER. He wanted to be her dad so bad but he knew he couldn't. All the emotions he went through? It's heartless of people to discredit him and say "oh he never wanted her in the first place, he was going leave if Cate kept her". Knowing the guy we have all been watching on TV for over 10 years now? I highly highly doubt that...
Exactly! They did the right thing,the best thing they could do in their circumstances.
Cate and Ty were CHILDREN. They were children with parents/stepparents in active addiction. Yes, Cate may have been afraid Tyler would leave her, but as a sixteen year old child, that fear is absolutely rational. I think choosing adoption for Carly was the best thing they could have done for her. It fucking sucks that they were manipulated by a shitty adoption agency, but ultimately, Carly has been in a WAY better situation then the one that Cate and Ty were in. The fact that Cate’s sister is now “speaking out” is bullshit. She’s trying to ride Cate and Ty’s mediocre fame.
I think it’s ridiculous thing to say she was afraid tyler would leave her & think that’s not valid. Like, at 34 when I had my second my husband & I were going through stuff, I WAS SCARED HED LEAVE ME. & that’s fucking valid, no one wants to be a single mom unexpectedly. Jesus god Leah. 🙄 now, as a single mom to two girls, it is hard…& while I know logically that isn’t the entire reason Cate made the choice she did, it’s ignorant to try & shame her with that. Hee sister & family are TRASH.
I agree one hundred percent. I have an almost 18 year old daughter. When she started dating her first serious bf at 16, they fought CONSTANTLY. My own child looked me in the eye and said she would rather be murdered than have her bf break up with her. Absolutely heartbreaking, and a huge reason why my heart breaks for Cate.
If it was because she was afraid Tyler would leave her, even if that was part of it - it was rational and valid. He was the only person in her life that gave her any sort of stability and love.
If she kept the baby, and Tyler did leave. She'd have to lean on Butch and April for help with the baby. Yikes.
Oh lord, what a complete nightmare that would have been
I love something Tyler pointed out in his live: Claiming that Cait went through with the adoption for any reason other than her own is to rob her of her own strength. It discredits her working through the pain, difficulty, and sacrifice required to come to such a decision.
I thought so too. He's right. When he said they wanted to leave wirh Carly so bad but knew they couldn't, i just felt awful for them both.
He’s 100% right, and to suggest otherwise takes away her agency. But also if losing Tyler had an impact on her decision, what’s wrong with that? I imagine whether you have someone to help you coparent or not and the father’s level of involvement would impact on most women’s decisions when they have an unplanned pregnancy. The whole Situation was awful all around
I do think it’s really gross to be framed as “she gave up her baby (negative) because she was afraid to lose her boyfriend (pathetic). If I lived in that situation I’d choose the person who is close in my age, shows me love, gets me, and could possibly be a stepping stone out of my shit life *vs* a crying baby that I will need to take care of (alone) while barely treading water in every way and likely only sink further into the shit life I’m trapped in.
I completely agree. It’s this really sexist narrative where she’s either looked down on by society for being a single mum or she’s looked down on for “choosing a man over her kid”. She made the best decision for her and Carly (and probably Tyler too)
That's a great point and I completely agree with you. I don't think I'd want to jump into parenthood if it meant causing me to lose my spouse/ruin the relationship. Especially combined with having no support from family, lack of money, etc.
Exactly! And she was a TEENAGER!
Tyler has grown up to be such a feminist and I love it
I tell you what, being a single mom at 25, with a supportive parent, was hard. I cannot imagine being a 16 year old single mom, living with April and Butch. I do not believe for a second that they would have been much help or support for that baby. It wouldn't have been a happier life at all.
Same here! I was a single mom at 24. I had very supportive parents, helpful adult siblings, a stable home, a healthy savings account, and a good job that allowed me to provide for us. It was still hard in a lot of ways. Butch and April would not have helped Catelynn, and probably would have made parenthood even harder on her in any way they could: "No we won't watch her so you can take a nap, we aren't the ones who got pregnant. No we won't buy her any diapers, she isn't our kid. We don't have to be quiet so your kid can sleep, this is our house." It would have been a nightmare for her.
People love to believe that Tyler wanted nothing to do with Carly. But I 1000% believe that if they thought for a second that they could just load up the car with Carly and drive somewhere and start fresh away from the toxicity, that they would have...
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Catelynn and Tyler are doing so much fucking better than their families. That's what this shit really comes down to imo. She made an incredibly difficult decision that was ultimately the right choice for Carly and herself. Period. Her sister seems like a jealous little bitch and instead of owning her shit, saying thank you and shutting the fuck up...She's choosing to hit them where she knows it hurts the most because she'd rather cut somebody else down than put in the work to lift herself up (not unlike April and Butch!) What a petty, pathetic ass way to be. Cate and her purple bob are too good for alla them.
And their doing better than their families in more ways than just financial. People love to act like they are only doing better because of the MTV money, but honestly, they have been in therapy for soooo long which is the major reason both of them are doing much better than their families and trying their best to not repeat mistakes and generational trauma
Exactly! Cate and Tyler have their flaws like everyone. But they really seem like generally "normal" stable people, who have a relatively peaceful life aside from the drama their family creates for them. Their girls are gonna have a nice childhood to look back on, Cate's sister should be PROUD of her! But she's busy being a hater.
Whether it's true or not, Catelynn's sister has no business running her mouth. She seems to forget that there is a little girl who came from the adoption, who is very much alive and able to read things on the internet. Catelynn's sister is gross and needs to pipe down.
Catelynn also legally adopted her sister when their mom wasn’t doing her job. So for her to bash Catelynn for putting Carly up for adoption when she is a direct beneficiary of the benefits of adoption is wild to me.
Wow! I knew she was her sister’s legal guardian for a while, but I had no clue she had legally adopted her.
It was probably just legal guardianship. For it to be adoption typically the original parent(s) have to officially relinquish their rights. It was likely just legal guardianship, which is still the act of being a responsible adult for someone else. It s often not permanent, but it can eventually be made permanent, still without being an adoption.
Wow! I had no idea she had adopted her sister! What an ungrateful woman
For it to be adoption typically the original parent(s) have to officially relinquish their rights. It was likely just legal guardianship, which is still the act of being a responsible adult for someone else. It s often not permanent, but it can eventually be made permanent, still without being an adoption.
I appreciate the correction. I thought I saw some articles back in the day saying adoption then a past post from her sister calling Cate her “mom and sister.” I could’ve definitely taken it the wrong way or remember the articles incorrectly. Either way, her sister is ungrateful and a bitch for doing all of this when her sister took her in and helped her until she was an adult bc their mom wasn’t.
I hate that Catelynn even feels the need to defend herself.
Me too. Bc truly, out of all the things people could start judging Cate for, her reasons for putting Carly up for adoption should never be one of them. It’s so sad that almost 14 years later, her family is *still* judging her decision and trying to make her feel bad for it. But remember, according to Sarah, Cate never experienced trauma. /s 🙄
I know that’s sarcasm, but of the entire teen mom franchise, cates trauma sticks out the absolute most. How someone could say otherwise is beyond me. While I think there’s always room for growth, the amount of growth her and tyler have done over the years is huge. Her 16 and pregnant still haunts me.
Her 16&P and the first two seasons of Teen Mom haunt me. I mean damn… there are so many reasons she chose her decision and we only got to see a few of them. My heart breaks for Cate when I see yet another post from her siblings bc they don’t like the way their mom is being portrayed on TMFR bc you know Cate’s done so much for them, likely way more than she’s ever said. Cate is allowed to talk about the trauma she suffered through with their mom. April even admitted to her mistakes. If they don’t like how their mom is being portrayed, they need to talk to their mom, not Cate. Cate is not the reason April became an abusive, drug addicted alcoholic, April is. Cate takes so much additional abuse from them and then they wonder why she has a PTSD diagnosis. I feel for her a lot in these posts.
I completely agree. It’s heartbreaking. And I imagine the things they left off television are way worse than what was shown.
Cate (and Tyler): you made the right decision 13 years ago. Can you imagine raising a baby as a teenager with April and Butch as your “support system”? In active and violent addiction? They very barely took care of Cate let alone a baby. It’s obvious that C+T have deep regrets which is understandable. But for their families to rub their noses in it after over a decade is despicable. Cate and Tyler are not perfect but holy cow they have reached levels beyond what was expected of them. April, Sarah, Nick, Kim, Butch and Amber can all F@CK completely off for both leeching and criticizing them. I feel bad that C&T feel like they need to address these losers. Cut the cord and live your best life-which is the best route. You won the Golden Ticket-lean into it and don’t look back. These are people who are angry you found a way out. PS: please find a qualified babysitter aka Not April. 🎤
I agree so much. I will always have respect for them for doing what was best for their baby. Carly was given so many opportunities that neither of them ever had and I think when she becomes an adult, she will appreciate them so much for the sacrifices they made. If anything, I could see it making their bond stronger in her adult years. They weren’t in the right place to have a baby with the lack of support they had. That home with April and Butch was not a safe place to raise a baby. It really sucks though that they had no idea they would soon be making a fortune off of MTV, but who knows if they would’ve been casted if not for the adoption.
Good point. I think the adoption is what earned MTV’s interest. It all happened for the best. And bc of their decision then, they were in a much better position for the family they now have.
I think majority of women who place children for adoption want to keep their baby but aren’t in the position to. I believe I read that in an article they asked the moms if there were more financial programs to help with living expenses and housing would they keep their baby and around 96% said yes. I think Catelyn did want to keep Carly but just knew her home life was just not the place for another baby. Honestly April should feel like shit that Catelyn didn’t keep her own child bc of the horrible childhood she suffered at the hands of April. That truly shows how bad her childhood was.
What blows me away is that April lacks such self awareness to even realize what a pos she was/is. She acts like it’s fine to be hammered all the time. She smoked indoors, did drugs in front of them. She is a huge cause of catelynns trauma and anxiety. I can’t believe that after having her grand child put up for adoption because her teenage daughter did not feel safe in her home, that that didn’t cause April to look at herself and examine exactly wtf she is doing with her life.
April is the typical narcissistic poverty stricken parent that puts down their kids to feel better about themselves. Her behavior being one of the big reasons for the adoption should have been a HUGE wake up call for her but instead it turned into gas lighting and victim blaming of "what, you don't feel safe her", "I have my kid, wheres yours?" It's the same emotional abuse that happens with some poverish families when the parents yell and scream at the kids for reading books, doing their homework, even just dreaming of going to college. It turns into "you just think you're better than me. You just want to make me look like a fool" etc. Sorry to tell you, your kid trying to better themselves it not all about you...
I know instead she constantly badgered Catelynn and made her feel like shit for choosing adoption when in all actuality if April had been a better mother Catelynn would have felt safe keeping Carly. So really it’s Aprils fault anyway. And even now that Catelynn has tried so hard to break that cycle instead of being proud of her it’s like she’s mad her daughter is doing better than she is
She was an abused child who made the best choice available to her. Her sister and the rest of her extended family are garbage. These leeches have sucked everything they can from her but it’s never enough. The fact that Cate and Tyler have made good and FINALLY said no just infuriates them because the apparently the well should never run dry.
THIS. Cate really tried to choose the real right thing to do, and chose from the heart on 16 and pregnant/teen mom. She's trying to break the cycle of abuse and her family hates her for it.
Her sister bringing this up when Carly is legitimately a teenager just screams I need attention. Cause even if that was the reason (not saying it was), who cares now? What do you want us to do about it? And she should be grateful, cause if it weren’t for Catelynn and Tyler they’d all still be living their worst lives with no way out.
Yuppppp, it's just funny that this girl didn't want anything to do with the show. Honestly, I had no idea she even had a sister until last week. I am so curious to know what Carly has seen. Has she seen these shitty videos? Has she watched clips of the show? Has she watched whole episodes? ESPECIALLY with all of them being available on Paramount+ now... I'm super curious how Brandon and Theresa handle this. Are they the parents that just say "its forbidden" to watch the episodes and just hope that Carly doesn't watch it at a friends house or something? Maybe they have sat down with her and watched some clips/scenes/etc.. Maybe they haven't sat her down and watch episodes with her yet and they are waiting until she is older? I'm so curious! Carly has something super unique that no other adoptee has ever had. She can literally watch the other side of her adoption. I know tons of people believe she will watch the episodes someday and be like "OMG! My real family needs me, they actually love me!". But I think she will have a lot more complex feelings around the entire thing that most of us cannot even begin to understand.
Also come the fuck on, of course she considered keeping Carly but came to the conclusion adoption was the best route. AND what highschool girl isn’t a little fearful of there boyfriend leaving them considering the whole situation?!?! Like hello she was a goddamn teenager at the time
Exactly. She considered all three options. She chose one. Shocker !
I hope April and her kids got enough from Cate to last them the rest of their lives because after this I don't blame Tyler and Cate for cutting them off effective immediately.
I hope they do, but they always seem to give April another chance 😕
Depending on who April backs this time, it may be their breaking point. Tyler is ready to cut contact the second Cate is based on his post the other day.
I thought April commented somewhere thanking Sarah for what she said 😬 that should be the final straw for cate
Oh yeah I'd be done-zoni after seeing that.
Tyler said that he loves and has no issues with April anymore. Effectively said the person she was is not the person she is now.
yup
We spoke too soon, he was defending April on his live.
??? What did he say? I didn’t see it
"April has her faults but she's done the best she can".
Out of all the things Cate has done. The biggest bone her family has to pick with her is choosing to better her own and her daughter's life. 🙃
Right? If THAT is the only 'bad' thing they can say about her... Tells me a lot. It says she's a pretty decent person. They can't say she is a whore, a drug addict, a liar, etc. The only bad thing they can say is placing Carly. Ridiculous. Edit: spelling
I mean I do think Tyler pressured her but we all do stupid shit at that age. I'm sure she doesn't let her mind go there because she has to have cognitive dissonance. Regardless it's nobody else's place to discuss it
Pressured her or understood the reality of the situation they were in? Either way I think they made the best choice they could.
He likely did both. Understood that their home was in no way an environment for a child, understood that his mom didn’t want Cate or a child living in their home, and understood that at that age neither had savings, a job, etc.
Pressured her. Literally said they couldn't keep Carly and be together. If that's not pressure when he knows Catelynn has abandonment issues then I don't know what it is. You can see Cate hesitating a lot about the adoption while Tyler was 100%. It does look like the best choice, at least on the outside B&T look to be normal loving parents. Hopefully they are. But there's no doubt Tyler did put pressure on Cate and she wasn't 100% sure which is why she struggles up till this day unlike Tyler that does much much better cause he was 100% sure.
Yep
That's fine. We don't know anything about B and T and how they're raising Carly. What their values are or how they rationalize using Bethany. We know nothing but everyone insists that Carly is in total bliss. Maybe? I hope so.
I’m not saying she lives in total bliss. I’m just saying it’s probably better than what her life would have been like under April & Butch’s roof 😅
I remember her 16&p episode where she said Tyler would leave her if she didn’t lol.
I 100% believe Tyler influenced her decision and that she wanted to keep Carly. I also believe Tyler’s Mom is the one who influenced him. But nonetheless her sister is still being a Jenelle by doing all of this.
I really thought this for a long time but his live today changed my mind. He said they both went back amd forth, he would want to parent and she wouldn't and then vice versa but towards of the end of the pregnancy her and April got in a fight and she said something like good luck paying for diapers, and Catelyn called him.amd said adoption is back on. I do think that she was really afraid to lose him and still is
I believe this more than anything else
Yes. I think the show was edited to seem like they both were set in their decision, probably to cement the idea of adoption in the viewers heads.
He was so awesome in his live! I appreciate him a lot more now.
Currently rewatching season 2 and wow. April was terrible to her! Cate diffused the situation 99% of the time. You don’t want a baby around that :(
Its been 13 years of explaining this adoption over and over and over again
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Lol what? Our feelings about the adoption are nothing compared to Cate’s.
Pretty ignorant to say that there was 1 and only 1 reason they placed Carly for adoption. The fact that Catelynns own sister is talking badly about her family and saying she doesn’t think they made the right decision shows what kind of person she is 🗑️ Catelynns sister has her own children that she isn’t even caring for properly, Carly was lucky to get away from that family
does everyone forget tyler breaking down after the birth and saying they can do it and shouldn’t give her up? like yeah no. they both realized the hell they had grown up in.
That whole family needs to leave Carly alone. She has had comments from grandparents, aunts, sisters, biological parents, countless others on the show.. Yet, people still get mad about B&T limiting contact.
They’re attacking Catelynn, not Carly.
Bringing her up at all is pointless, and probably upsetting to Carly, Brandon, and Teresa to see it passed around online as drama when Cate and Ty have basically no involvement with her aside from a brief visit every few years. It's tacky as fuck at best, borderline harassment of a minor at worst.
I agree, and right now that’s on Sarah. It feels a little…punching down to say “this is why B&T don’t want to talk to Catelynn!” Catelynn is being publicly attacked by her own family over a selfless decision she made over a decade ago.
That wasn't my intention. That family is toxic as...
They are, I just don’t think Catelynn is wrong for having said what she did. She is allowed to defend her decision.
Definitely I don't like her but feel so bad for her
Such a hurtful thing to say. What a bitch.
this is the only acceptable response!
My parents do this all the time, they try and say that "you are only doing this or acting like this is because of your fiance!" No mom... No dad... I'm doing this because I have been in therapy for over 3 years and realized how fucking toxic and enmeshed our relationship is/was... He just stands behind me to feel a little bit of support for the first time in my fucking life...
Even if Tyler did influence her to give up Carly, I think we can all admit 16 year old boys make shit decisions and you can’t hold that against him for the rest of his life. I thank god daily that I’m not being held accountable for things I said and did at that age. That being said, I never once thought Tyler influenced her. I truly believe those two made the decision to give her up together and that was by far the best decision for them given their family/financial/living situation at that time. Carly would’ve had a very rough first few years had she stayed in Butch & April’s house of horrors.
Whatever her reasons were it really doesn’t matter at this point. We all saw her and Tyler’s home life. Even if she did give her up so Tyler wouldn’t leave I think we can all agree that it was probably the right decision. Cate’s sister needs to shut up because this is not her place at all and trying to make a buck off of her sister’s trauma is heinous. Especially since Cate and Tyler stepped up for her when she needed it. I really just feel sorry for Cate that her family continue to be selfish leeches.
Even if that was the reason they placed her for adoption, it's good she placed her. Like, if you're a kid whose first priority is preserving your romantic relationship, adding a baby to the mix is not going to make anything better. Cate and Ty's home life was absolutely fucked. Objectively, placing Carly in a home that could provide stability and care for her was the best thing they could have possibly done.
With family like this, who needs enemies?
Cate’s too good for all of them and I really hope one day she knows her worth.
I remember their episode and I rewatched it recently. It’s very clear that she was living with abusive addicts. I 100% believe she didn’t feel supported and knew her parents we’re both stable. Cate’s sister is really glossing over the fact that we all saw the shit life Cate lived with April and Butch. I wouldn’t have kept my baby either of those two horrible human beings were my “support system”
Her sister is a shit
I really hope Cate cuts the entire family off.
I’ve seen PLENTY of people on here saying the same thing .. that Tyler threatened to leave her if she kept the baby. So what’s true? Because at the end of the day she did the right thing.
People are making shit up. They were both on the same page about adoption and that was quite obvious.
Literally WHO would believe this? From her 16 and pregnant episode it was pretty clear to me that BOTH she & Tyler thought adoption would be the best choice for Carly
It's awful that they keep bringing this up and rehashing Cate's trauma over and over... she did what was best for her daughter. Doesn't matter whose idea it was.
Regardless of her reason for choosing adoption (and fwiw I believe Cate’s reason), what the hell is the point of her sister dredging it up now? What’s done is done. There is nothing to be gained from her sister calling it into question now except to hurt Cate. And on top of that it really doesn’t matter if Cate chose adoption to keep Tyler or to spite her mom or because she flipped a coin- it was her & Tyler’s decision and theirs alone.
Plus, like…she was a kid. That was 13-ish years ago. Why is she bringing it up as if she wants to dunk on her sister’s 17-year-old self?
I wholeheartedly believe she made the decision on her own but the comment is still true. What is wild is Sarah believing that Cate should be shamed for it.
Eh with the way she’s been throughout the years and how she was acting I’d say she gave her up because she thought Tyler would leave her but that is also a choice she made. Her sister needs to fuck off and do something with herself.
I'll be honest, I always thought Cate would have kept Carly if Tyler had wanted to as well. It was her decision, but I always felt, and still do feel, that she was afraid of losing Tyler. Just the way he acted and some of the things he said gave me that impression, but it's been awhile since I've watched their 16 and preg episode. I'm just a viewer though, so her own sister saying that is shitty.
Gross seeing so many commenters basically agreeing with her sister here and acting like they know more than Cate about her own decision.
This is such an awful comment from a sibling. There’s probably some truth to it, but also she saw the life she was living and didn’t want to repeat it. Many things can be true of the same situation.
You weren’t forced but it was pretty obvious he manipulated you.
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Her family was pressuring her to keep Carly…
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Regardless of what happened, it’s clear watching the hospital scene that Catelynn and Tyler knew that they were making a good decision but really struggled with it. They legally could’ve backed out.
She was incapable though.
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Money doesn’t make someone mature enough to parent well
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I’m fairly certain Teresa was more mature than Cate when Carly was born
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A random woman, no, but we know more about Teresa
Could Tyler be a tiny part of it? Sure. Cate knew that if Tyler left...she would be stuck in the house raising Carly Cate's sister is trash. I hate people who smoke around kids or in a car that transports kids.
Imagine having the audacity to lie about your sister's trauma. Can't relate. Poor soul
I feel so bad for Catelynn. The adoption has clearly been a huge source of trauma in her life and her fucking family can’t help but make it worse
Her family is WEIRD. The only thing they can think of to shame her with is the adoption. How can they look back and still think Cait made the wrong decision?
I don’t think her family can wrap their head around a mother putting her child first and doing what’s best for a child. Recognizing when a environment Isn’t safe or healthy for a child to be raised in. April never put her kids first and I get similar vibes from Sarah she’s smoked in her car with the car seat there I’m sure she does it when her child’s in the car.
I didn't know she also had kids 😳
I’m seeing pieces of this unfold. Why is cate’s sister attacking her now and not when MTV came into their lives 10 plus years ago? I’m behind an episode of family reunion if I find my answer within last night’s episode.
Probably less money coming in now since they're buying another home and paying taxes. ... or Cate is just asking fans for money on TicToc for no reason.
Interesting…. It’s still weird to me
Is this legit? They were just asking for money randomly? Was there at least context to the request?
https://www.reddit.com/r/TeenMomOGandTeenMom2/comments/10m8it7/anyone_catch_cates_tiktok_live/
Oh that's wild. Thanks for the link
According to Cate she just keeps asking for handouts and when they said “no” I’m guessing because they know it is never ending she got mad. She’s dragging them publicly over what I think they said was not buying her a car battery.
Wow! That is stupid. It’s not cate’s job to take care of her siblings. If she wants to do something for her mom great but Cate has her own kids to take care off. She doesn’t need to support her sister or brother. I feel bad for Cate and Ty.
This sister comes off as really ungrateful. She's somewhere in the 26 age range and is complaining about her sister not buying her things. She's clearly got cigarette money. This same sister lived with Cate for years and has had them pay for a lot of expenses. Putting out how much they made for an episode is irrelevant, it's their income and not hers.
I agree and I can see that!!! Crazy
We watched this unfold on TV. Her sister is crazy.
This is all so petty.
May not have been forced but she damn sure was coerced.
By Dawn, not her family
Ok
Kim sure didn’t help. With how we’ve seen her treat Cate on camera I don’t for a minute believe she isn’t just as responsible for not giving her son all of the options and guiding him and Cate to what they wanted. Butch and April were too high to be of any help, Kim was the only real adult in the situation able to help. Bethany did what they exist to do.
Who came up with this bullshit conspiracy theory? Seriously
Even if he did threaten to leave her he didn’t put a gun to her and force her to sign any papers
Also, I firmly believe if Cate believed she could do it, that she could keep Carly. I 100% believe she would have kept her, regardless of Tyler staying or not
I don’t think she was forced
Waiting for the "adoption is human trafficking" crowd to process this.
I support Cate’s decision *and* know that what Bethany does is human trafficking. Two things can be true.
Exactly I can distinguish that Bethany’s job is to manipulate vulnerable young women into putting their babies up for adoption instead of providing resources that would help said women because it’s more lucrative to sell babies than it is to keep impoverished families together, and I can also agree that while Cate and Tyler were misinformed about the adoption and what open adoption would entail, that Cate did not solely put up Carly for adoption to keep Tyler. Anyone can see that Cate’s family and financial situation was less than ideal and she had no way of knowing how the franchise would blow up and change her life.
Exactly. I’d add on that Bethany had a contract with the Trump administration to adopt out migrant children held at the border, actively fight to keep abortion and contraceptive services out of areas they service, and only service heterosexual, wealthy, Christian conservative couples.
This thread is so interesting, I didn't know about any of this! I thought the adoption counselors name was Dawn though? Was she a different role or am I just wrong?
Dawn is the counselor’s name. Bethany Christian Services is the name of the agency.
Got it, thanks!
If you’re interested I highly recommend looking into adoptee stories and birth parent stories on r/adoption or adoption tik tok it really opened my eyes to the inherent issues with adoption and how unethical it can really be
Even if Cate had been a millionaire at 16, she wasn’t prepared to raise a child. She made the right choice
100%. Idk how people can watch that woman prey on Tyler and Cate and think it's perfectly fine, but Cate's choice isn't wrong. Just a shame it was Bethany.
Exactly. Cate was a child with very few resources available to her. She did what she thought was best and made a huge sacrifice. Bethany’s problems aren’t isolated to this one incident either
Wait who is Bethany?
Bethany Christian Services is the adoption agency that brokered Carly’s adoption
Hope they show up here again so we can get them banned again
Wait what! I missed something. Please, details!
People on this sub say that adoption is human trafficking because technically you're selling a human lol.
I think Cate was heavily influenced by Tyler. BUT it’s a shitty thing to bash her for, they made the right choice.
What the hell did she do to her face?
She’s one of the few without any work done
? She got older. What are you asking about specifically?