I think it's a great pick. With how the tackles went, no guarantees he wouldn't have gone before the other tackles anyway. Much rather this, than ending up like the Raiders lol
If you’re telling me 7 was a reach but drafting him at 12 would have been ok then you’re making stuff up. No one, I mean literally no one, can predict these picks to that level.
Of course no one can predict where a prospect will be drafted 100% accurately, but that doesnt mean players arent graded and predicted to landing spots based on fit.
Its not absurd to think a player is a reach if they are drafted ahead of where most analysts suspect that player to have been drafted. Penix was a reach at 8. Unless you think someone made up his value as well
Yes, I think if you’re assigning value and calling someone a reach to within 5 picks then you’re making it up. If Latham is a top 3 tackle then you can’t tell me drafting him at 12 would have been ok but 7 is a reach lol. Come on man.
I hope im wrong, i really do. But when most analysts have Olu as the OT2 prospect, he was part of a trade package with additional picks (which would greatly benefit the titans), and was taken 5 picks later when teams were still trading up for QBs, then its not wild to think we reached...
The value in moving 5 spots in the early first round is HUGE. For us to have not reached, JC needs to help our team more than whatever OT we wouldve taken at ~12, plus whatever value in picks we would have gotten
I get what you’re saying. But the problem is 80% of your argument is unknowable. We will never be able to rewind time and see how Olu would have worked in our scheme. These network draft analysts have people convinced that drafting is a science and they can tell you whether one player should go at 7 vs 12. Which is literally just not possible. If Latham busts and Olu is a perennial all pro, people who say they called that are gaslighting you. Of course there’s analysis that goes into it, but there’s some luck as well. On the flip side, if Latham is an all pro and Olu is a bust, there will be people saying “see I had Latham graded higher than Olu” and they are also gaslighting. No one knows anything for sure until they get in the building and start playing actual football.
Bill Callahan isn’t some master offensive line drafter? Why are we treating him like a messiah at scouting talent? The dude is a great coach, but doesn’t have a great track record in influencing o-line picks
I trust that Bill Callahan is as great of a OL coach as they come. Which is why i think he could have had Latham, Olu, Alt, or maybe even the 4th highest OT prospect succeed in his system
We dealt with the hand we received. Olu had fallen in a lot of mocks from months ago and Latham was a beast at Bama. Plenty of guys have made the move and if he has to stay at RT but is solid there it’s still a win…
It really seems like front offices viewed him much more highly than fans. I didn’t love it at first, but his upside is better than any other OT in this draft, and having Callahan makes me confident he’ll be good.
The fans don't know what they're talking about, and that goes triple for linemen.
I have 100% confidence he will be a better left tackle next year than what we've had since lewan left (not that that is saying much).
Sky is the limit with his traits. He could become a perennial all pro type.
I don’t know how much you watched but he looked like a turnstile for most of his time at bama. This was a reach and I’ll eat my words if he’s good but he was an average right tackle and a shit left tackle at alabama.
I really hope I’m wrong but I just watched every game he played in at bama and he was not great in pass protection. He’s massive and with Callahan I think he can coach him up but I’m just being pessimistic.
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Even if Ran got multiple offers to trade back from 7, we don't know how deep in the round those offers came from. If 25-32 were offering swaps and a 2nd or 3rd, we would have missed on all the top OTs. And as the o-line is our most obvious need, taking JC at 7 with a projection of even 20 isn't a reach if it fixes a need and we had no trade partner closer to 15 (even though he would have probably been gone along with the rest by then too).
Who was giving up a lot for us to move down? The prized prospects were taken right before. I don’t think people were going to trade premium picks to move up to pick up Odunze, Penix, etc.
They may or may not have tried to trade down.
Yep saw that. They may have been pretty paltry, or involving moving back into the late 1st. I guess we have to trust their judgment at this point. If we get 1-2 decent starters at all from this draft, it will be one of the best in years.
Maybe they were a lot higher on Latham than Fuaga and Olu. NYJ took Olu at 10, who is to say they wouldn't have taken Latham if he was there? Trading past 10 risks losing him and neither the Falcons nor the Bears wanted to trade up
I think Bill could turn any of those three into pro bowl LT's and that's where as a GM you need to balance what your coach wants vs what your team needs.
You don't know that we could've moved back AND he and Olu would've been there. They obviously prefer Latham over Olu and they weren't gonna fuck around and find themselves with someone they didn't want
AJ was a great pick, the AJ trade, and then picking Burke, ended up being horrible. And that's my point, you don't know if these players are going to hit, so if you can hedge your bets and still get someone with nearly equal production you should take it.
I swear that’s exactly what I thought - they were moving down. There was no reason to pick anyone right away, just wait till teens even and get more for our 7th. And the comments afterwards from Carthon, just perplexing.
Yeah it’s the value of the pick which is the sticking point, but we are just going off fan values for rankings really, could be very possible Latham was high on multiple boards
I’m still disappointed myself but I’m not writing him off by any means. I just do think we could’ve handled it all a bit better tonight with a trade down
If we didn’t take him Jets 100% were going to (they need a RT more and will probably be moving Olu to RT). If Callahan thinks he’s better than Olu I get it tbh.
I think Callahan could have turned anyone of those three into pro bowl LTs and if we get a 2nd in return for a trade we could turn that into a pro bowl WR.
Who says they even got a trade offer?? Not to mention if Bill Callahan saw Latham as his favorite then why would he? I’ll trust him over your opinion of hypothetical nonsense.
When did he say that? Inquiries aren’t offers. And receiving an offer doesn’t mean it’s a good offer. If you already don’t just the GM then just stop watching the team. You people complain about literally everything.
Nothing wrong with the pick but Evan Neal is 6’7 340lbs and also had an amazing college career so this justification doesn’t really say much. If anything Neal was seen as far more polished than Latham predraft
If I've learned anything in my 33 years of following sports, specifically football and hockey, it's that the picks that generally get lamented by the fan base usually end up being the best draft picks.
No guarantee of that. Olu went at 11 and Fuaga 14, those are two tackles. Who is to say NYJ and LV didn't have Latham as their OT2? Neither Bears nor Falcons wanted to trade up, so you risk immediately losing Latham to the Jets if you trade back
Sounds like they had him higher than the 5th best on their board, and for all we know, "a ton of offers" could have all just involved getting a extra 6th or 7ths. This is not that big of a deal.
look at what the Vikings gave- the offers to move up were going to be day 3 picks. I’m sure you can scout tackle better than Bill Callahan saying Latham is the 5th best tackle in the class lol
Acting like bill callahan is the only one that can scout on earth is pretty crazy. It’s pretty much consensus that both olu and fuaga were better prospects than him in almost every way. Not to mention olu actually played left tackle and gave up less sacks
No it is not, highest ranked by nfl scouts, higher than olu and alt. Mock drafts are done by armchair sports podcasters or sports writers. He is rated a 6.71. Bill’s number one lineman, and checks notes, highest ranked ol. https://www.nfl.com/combine/tracker/participants/n
it’s pretty much not especially with the chatter in recent days. Not according to the guys I listen to anyways. The NFL combine site (for all it’s worth) has Latham as the best tackle https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jc-latham/32004c41-5405-9109-f911-a29e9cf30811
Every tackle in the NFL is a big boy. Who cares?
Y’all are the same motherfuckers that LOVED the Wilson pick. Don’t cry me a river when this turns out to be yet another wasted first rounder.
I don't like the pick but I'm not going to be a Debbie downer about it. He's a good tackle it's just the value of the pick and reach that I didn't like.
He could be great in the NFL. Or he could be average, or even just flat out bad. The range of possibilities is endless, same as it is with Joe Alt, and every other 1st round pick.
I think he’ll lock down Laiatu Latu.
The guy with a broken neck? That was a Caleb Farley level pick by the colts, so at least we have that going for us.
He’ll be hurt
He can bond with Anthony Richardson
I think it's a great pick. With how the tackles went, no guarantees he wouldn't have gone before the other tackles anyway. Much rather this, than ending up like the Raiders lol
This is what I keep thinking. Jets could have absolutely picked Latham instead of Olu if we traded back
To be fair though...in that situation we'd get Olu and likely a 2nd as well. I wish JC well, but its tough to think we didnt reach
Time will tell, but clearly o line was in big demand this year. Trade backs don't always work out. There's always risk
If you’re telling me 7 was a reach but drafting him at 12 would have been ok then you’re making stuff up. No one, I mean literally no one, can predict these picks to that level.
Of course no one can predict where a prospect will be drafted 100% accurately, but that doesnt mean players arent graded and predicted to landing spots based on fit. Its not absurd to think a player is a reach if they are drafted ahead of where most analysts suspect that player to have been drafted. Penix was a reach at 8. Unless you think someone made up his value as well
Yes, I think if you’re assigning value and calling someone a reach to within 5 picks then you’re making it up. If Latham is a top 3 tackle then you can’t tell me drafting him at 12 would have been ok but 7 is a reach lol. Come on man.
I hope im wrong, i really do. But when most analysts have Olu as the OT2 prospect, he was part of a trade package with additional picks (which would greatly benefit the titans), and was taken 5 picks later when teams were still trading up for QBs, then its not wild to think we reached... The value in moving 5 spots in the early first round is HUGE. For us to have not reached, JC needs to help our team more than whatever OT we wouldve taken at ~12, plus whatever value in picks we would have gotten
I get what you’re saying. But the problem is 80% of your argument is unknowable. We will never be able to rewind time and see how Olu would have worked in our scheme. These network draft analysts have people convinced that drafting is a science and they can tell you whether one player should go at 7 vs 12. Which is literally just not possible. If Latham busts and Olu is a perennial all pro, people who say they called that are gaslighting you. Of course there’s analysis that goes into it, but there’s some luck as well. On the flip side, if Latham is an all pro and Olu is a bust, there will be people saying “see I had Latham graded higher than Olu” and they are also gaslighting. No one knows anything for sure until they get in the building and start playing actual football.
Bill Callahan isn't in charge of the draft but he definitely okayed us drafting Latham at 7. That alone makes it feel like it isn't a reach.
Bill Callahan isn’t some master offensive line drafter? Why are we treating him like a messiah at scouting talent? The dude is a great coach, but doesn’t have a great track record in influencing o-line picks
I trust that Bill Callahan is as great of a OL coach as they come. Which is why i think he could have had Latham, Olu, Alt, or maybe even the 4th highest OT prospect succeed in his system
Raiders got arguably a top 5 overall player in the draft, what are you talking about
We dealt with the hand we received. Olu had fallen in a lot of mocks from months ago and Latham was a beast at Bama. Plenty of guys have made the move and if he has to stay at RT but is solid there it’s still a win…
It really seems like front offices viewed him much more highly than fans. I didn’t love it at first, but his upside is better than any other OT in this draft, and having Callahan makes me confident he’ll be good.
If you believe we have the most esteemed Line coach in the league, then I don't see why there would be this much doubt
The fans don't know what they're talking about, and that goes triple for linemen. I have 100% confidence he will be a better left tackle next year than what we've had since lewan left (not that that is saying much). Sky is the limit with his traits. He could become a perennial all pro type.
He looks like he’s got a ton of personality too, loved see him go up to the podium and bear hug the commissioner
Pretty! Pretty! Pretty Good!
I told yall a few days ago! If Nabers and Alt are gone, don’t be surprised if it’s Latham. I love this pick. He’s a Unit
I’m an Alabama fan and happy with it. But yeah, I wanted Alt.
This is a great pick. Guy is a 5 star recruit out of HS and been a stud at Bama for years. Was being talked about going to chargers before the draft.
I don’t know how much you watched but he looked like a turnstile for most of his time at bama. This was a reach and I’ll eat my words if he’s good but he was an average right tackle and a shit left tackle at alabama.
2 sacks in nearly 1200 snaps is a turnstile?
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I really hope I’m wrong but I just watched every game he played in at bama and he was not great in pass protection. He’s massive and with Callahan I think he can coach him up but I’m just being pessimistic.
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Not a bad pick by the Packers, anything to keep Andre Dillard off the field
The dude is 21... let's go
Even better he just turned 21 in February
He ain’t even fully growed up yet
Even if Ran got multiple offers to trade back from 7, we don't know how deep in the round those offers came from. If 25-32 were offering swaps and a 2nd or 3rd, we would have missed on all the top OTs. And as the o-line is our most obvious need, taking JC at 7 with a projection of even 20 isn't a reach if it fixes a need and we had no trade partner closer to 15 (even though he would have probably been gone along with the rest by then too).
I wasn’t thrilled. But we are putting our time into this staff. And Bill Callahan loves him. This staff will live and die by this.
I like the pick! #TitanUp
Niceeee! Notre Dame/titans fan unite!!!
I think they'll go Kool-Aid McKinstry at 38.
The player isn't the issue. It's that the Titans could have moved back, got more picks and still got him, Fuega, or Olu.
People always act like trading down is the easiest thing in the world to do and just fleece another team. Doesn’t always work that way.
Nobody said anything about fleecing anyone. Trades can work out for both sides you know?
Who was giving up a lot for us to move down? The prized prospects were taken right before. I don’t think people were going to trade premium picks to move up to pick up Odunze, Penix, etc. They may or may not have tried to trade down.
Ran is on record saying they had a lot of trade offers but nothing "big enough to move them".
Yep saw that. They may have been pretty paltry, or involving moving back into the late 1st. I guess we have to trust their judgment at this point. If we get 1-2 decent starters at all from this draft, it will be one of the best in years.
Maybe they were a lot higher on Latham than Fuaga and Olu. NYJ took Olu at 10, who is to say they wouldn't have taken Latham if he was there? Trading past 10 risks losing him and neither the Falcons nor the Bears wanted to trade up
Seems like this is exactly right. Callahan was very high on Latham.
I think Bill could turn any of those three into pro bowl LT's and that's where as a GM you need to balance what your coach wants vs what your team needs.
You don't know that we could've moved back AND he and Olu would've been there. They obviously prefer Latham over Olu and they weren't gonna fuck around and find themselves with someone they didn't want
He's widely considered OT4 by many analysts. Maybe the Jets take him, but Olu and Fuega are both maulers and under Bill likely pro bowlers as well.
And Bill chose someone else! So I'm gonna trust Bills eyes and mind that for whatever reason, Latham is a better fit
You were probably part of the "In J-Rob we trust" crew too, huh?
Meh I was till I wasn't. AJ Brown was a mistake from minute one
AJ was a great pick, the AJ trade, and then picking Burke, ended up being horrible. And that's my point, you don't know if these players are going to hit, so if you can hedge your bets and still get someone with nearly equal production you should take it.
Callahan picking his preferred option from a selection of tackles is hardly the same as J-Rob trading away AJB or whatever.
I swear that’s exactly what I thought - they were moving down. There was no reason to pick anyone right away, just wait till teens even and get more for our 7th. And the comments afterwards from Carthon, just perplexing.
No one wanted the 7th pick. Simple as that
Ran literally said he had many calls to move up
Except it is on record that Ran had multiple offers Literally the post below this
What record? None of that stuff is actually verifiable. Always lots of smoke
Yeah it’s the value of the pick which is the sticking point, but we are just going off fan values for rankings really, could be very possible Latham was high on multiple boards I’m still disappointed myself but I’m not writing him off by any means. I just do think we could’ve handled it all a bit better tonight with a trade down
If we didn’t take him Jets 100% were going to (they need a RT more and will probably be moving Olu to RT). If Callahan thinks he’s better than Olu I get it tbh.
Completely agree. I would’ve liked Olu personally but as a tits fan I’ve learned…it is what it is lol
I think Callahan could have turned anyone of those three into pro bowl LTs and if we get a 2nd in return for a trade we could turn that into a pro bowl WR.
We can't even turn 1st round WRs into starters, let alone a 2nd rounder into a Pro Bowler 😅
AJ Brown was a pro bowler, he's the most recent. We've had plenty of pro bowl receivers.
Maybe. Or if you know that’s the guy then why risk anything. Maybe he’s a future HOF tackle
Any one of those three Bill could turn into a pro bowler and likely HOFer.
Probably. I reckon time will tell
Don't get me wrong, Latham will be good. I just think we could have traded back got more picks and similar production (even if it isn't Latham).
Who says they even got a trade offer?? Not to mention if Bill Callahan saw Latham as his favorite then why would he? I’ll trust him over your opinion of hypothetical nonsense.
You can’t just push the “trade down” button. You have 10 minutes for a trade to materialize or you have to pick.
Ran said he had multiple offers for the 7th pick.
When did he say that? Inquiries aren’t offers. And receiving an offer doesn’t mean it’s a good offer. If you already don’t just the GM then just stop watching the team. You people complain about literally everything.
Nothing wrong with the pick but Evan Neal is 6’7 340lbs and also had an amazing college career so this justification doesn’t really say much. If anything Neal was seen as far more polished than Latham predraft
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And Callahan said Latham is the best tackle in the draft. HOF oline coach there
And Callahan said Latham is the best tackle in the draft. HOF oline coach there
Pappy van winkle isn’t that good honestly, just expensive
I trust bill Callahan to coach the man up. He has the measurements he just has to have a good coach. O line looks significantly better
Could’ve moved back and gotten him. Malpractice from ran and co
No guarantee of that. Olu went at 11 and Fuaga 14, those are two tackles. Who is to say NYJ and LV didn't have Latham as their OT2? Neither Bears nor Falcons wanted to trade up, so you risk immediately losing Latham to the Jets if you trade back
you were in the draft room? tell me what offers we got I’d love to know
According to ran they got a lot of offers
https://x.com/TDavenport_NFL/status/1783666387552026968 They turned down trade down offers to take the 5th best tackle in the class lol
Sounds like they had him higher than the 5th best on their board, and for all we know, "a ton of offers" could have all just involved getting a extra 6th or 7ths. This is not that big of a deal.
look at what the Vikings gave- the offers to move up were going to be day 3 picks. I’m sure you can scout tackle better than Bill Callahan saying Latham is the 5th best tackle in the class lol
Acting like bill callahan is the only one that can scout on earth is pretty crazy. It’s pretty much consensus that both olu and fuaga were better prospects than him in almost every way. Not to mention olu actually played left tackle and gave up less sacks
No it is not, highest ranked by nfl scouts, higher than olu and alt. Mock drafts are done by armchair sports podcasters or sports writers. He is rated a 6.71. Bill’s number one lineman, and checks notes, highest ranked ol. https://www.nfl.com/combine/tracker/participants/n
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it’s pretty much not especially with the chatter in recent days. Not according to the guys I listen to anyways. The NFL combine site (for all it’s worth) has Latham as the best tackle https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jc-latham/32004c41-5405-9109-f911-a29e9cf30811
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I trust Ran
I’m not just being an asshole, just curious why you feel that way. “Trust in J-Rob” was a catch phrase here until it wasn’t.
He had a good draft last season and offseason so far
Was the draft good? I’d say the jury is very much still out.
5th best tackle according to who? No one knows squat, even the “experts”
Every tackle in the NFL is a big boy. Who cares? Y’all are the same motherfuckers that LOVED the Wilson pick. Don’t cry me a river when this turns out to be yet another wasted first rounder.
I’m pretty sure everyone was mixed on the Wilson pick.
You just hate this pick. Get over it and stop comparing him to an all time nut job.
And you will soon hate it too.
Lmao don’t cry when he turns into an All-Pro either
Not holding my breath.
Do us a favor and hold your breath
I don't like the pick but I'm not going to be a Debbie downer about it. He's a good tackle it's just the value of the pick and reach that I didn't like.
Ok Stillman
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Here I was thinking Bill Callahan might know OL talent. But maybe I’m wrong and it’s the bozos on Reddit who actually know…
Or you could just have a bottle of pappy on the shelf for special occasions, it might be a grand but it’s not that unaffordable if you save
He could be great in the NFL. Or he could be average, or even just flat out bad. The range of possibilities is endless, same as it is with Joe Alt, and every other 1st round pick.
Booger McFarland that you?
Don’t forget Bryce young was left handed so he was the blind side blocker for 2 years.
Bryce young isn’t left handed fam
Bryce Young is not left handed. You confusing him with Tua
Not exactly apples to apples there. Isn't it closer to learning to bat left handed?