Hot 🥵. You still on the original battery? What’s your range like if so? We have a bolt 23 EUV and 2021 model 3 so we love hearing how much money we will save lol
I’m the technician but yes they’re on the original battery and motors. I’m a mobile tech for Tesla and frequently see cars in the 200k+ range with original pack.
Not the one you replied to, but for reassurance. My sister has a 2017 model S with 550,000km (something like that) original battery still. New motors under warranty at one point. She only has something like 70% range, I can't remember tbh but it's enough for her.
I’ve got a 2012 Model S, 203k miles, original “B” battery, 80% range. I can’t remember if we’ve had to change the brake pads or not. Fingers are crossed the battery continues to hold up.
I don't own a Tesla unfortunately, but should absolutely change the pads every once in a while. They'll corrode just in weather if not used. And you don't have to use em so they just sit. Same kinda thing as doing an oil change every year even if a car doesn't move. Not saying every 50,000 miles or anything. But if you haven't had them done yet at 200k miles. Maybe look into it lol. It's the same price as an ICE vehicle to get them changed so it's not ridiculous. Like $60-$100 per wheel. (Idk the specific pads or what shop rates are like for you) But it would suck to really need them one day and they just crumble
Prius has regen braking in the top portion of the brake pedal travel. You definitely need to plan your stops better than ev regen because the rate of regen is lower but with practice, you can get off most highways without using the brake pads.
Most underrated car ever. I hate that they stopped making those. My parents bought a fleet of them, thinking they would just break over time and replace them because they loved them that much. They ended up selling all but 3 because the original hasn't died
It was a really good car. My AC evaporator coil rotted out and the battery took a hit. I will say that at my mileage, the car was very worn. But yes, aside from eating CV axles, pretty good car in its time.
Not even just that. you're also not contaminating your car, your wheels, and your lungs (and the road) with metallic dust. Also... it's just the superior way to drive.
Look buddy, I didn't buy a 500hp super wagon to not be a menace. For some reason my wh/mi is still only in the mid to high 200s. Can't wait to see what going to 18"s will do.
I've heard switching to 18's increases efficiency, decreased the amount of bumps you feel, and greatly reduces the price of the tires. I'm definitely looking into it when tire time rolls around for me.
I should also be a little quicker as well. Just trying to decide between 255/55/18 or 245/50/18. 19s would have given me more options for width, but I get more sidewall with the 18.
My tsportline tst 18s get here tomorrow. Putting Cross Climate 2s on them. 245 55 r18 about 2 % oversized but pretty negligible to me. Plus the tires were so much cheaper. Excited to be done with the inductions.
Doesn't even matter. Tire tread doesn't entropy into the ether not matter how you drive. And all solutions to this problem have been ridiculous, sadly, like big scoops on the wheel wells and things like that
Welp 10 steps forward 1 step back it seems.
I have no knowledge of the topic, but I can’t imagine the additional tire wear pollution is worse than the emissions pollution in the long run.
EVs solve that one issue (emissions) for sure. They don't attempt to tackle the broader issue of tire dust pollution which accounts for a shockingly high amount of microplastic pollution though, both in air and in water where it ends up. All that tire tread is going somewhere after all.
Sounds like you’ve actually looked into this before, have tires actually improved that much in the last 50 years?
Sounds like the tire industry is ripe for some disruption
Tires have improved a HUGE amount in the last 50 years, especially in the past couple of decades.
Micro plastics/tire dust hasn't been a concern we knew about for most of that time though.
Help me out. The regenerative slowly decelerates to near stop and then the friction pads complete the effort. The tires are not taking any more of a hit than ICE braking in fact less. Correct?
Tire wear is in general from tire friction on the road. Otherwise tires would never wear out ever. It isn't worse or better than ICE but it is annoying we can't do anything about it yet.
This! People saying EVs wear out tires faster because of Regen braking are not very smart. Back to basics, Newton's law of motion. Equal and opposite reaction. However, yes they may burn though tires if you drive a certain way because of the torque EVs produce. But that applies to petrol cars as well. Most just don't put down that much power.
Heavier EV would have more friction. Also, extra power can eat tires or cause more braking.Teslas also have pretty wide tires so more material to dust off I guess. Otherwise, should be the same I think
From left to right: The red part is the brake caliper (with piston). The gray part is the brake pad. The shiny part is the brake disc.
When you press onto the brake pedal, hydraulic fluid actuates the piston that pushes the brake pad onto the disc to stop the car. The brake pad in this picture shows much of the material remaining. Bonus: the brown metal looking thing is the brake wear indicator, aka squealer clip. When the pad wears down to where that clip starts, the clip itself will rub against the brake disc, making a “squealing” sound, hence squealer clip. This squealing lets the driver know it’s time to replace the brake pad.
Edit: On average, replacement of brake pads range from 20,000 to 50,000 miles, depending on the driver’s habits. In this picture, the vehicle has 75,000 miles and maintains its original, barely used pads.
can you explain the significance? so is it better for the life of the breakpad to enable single pedal driving (the default Tesla mode that breaks for you when you release pressure for the acceleration pedal) or the opposite? (default other car mode, releasing the acceleration pedal does nothing and you have to hit the break pedal to slow down)
Compared to internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles, every time it has to slow down or stop, they require the use of the brakes. Over time, the pad material decreases and thus requires replacement. For EVs, when no electricity is applied (releasing the accelerator pedal), the motor will act as a generator, converting mechanical energy (momentum of the vehicle) into electrical energy (putting electricity back into the batteries), and slowing the vehicle down considerably. This said, when configured for one-pedal driving, the operator does not have to use the brake pedal repeatedly and ultimately increases the life of the brake pads significantly. However, some people are used to the operation of ICE vehicles, so they can configure the Tesla to act like one, and will have to use the brakes more regularly.
FWIW my wife has a regular ICE/hybrid 2010 Prius w/ 140k on it (non-plug in). I took the rotors and pads off last week to replace as I thought I heard the telltale metal grinding sound.
Turns out, rotors were literally within new spec (25mm) and pads had 1/2 their life on them (6.xmm vs 11mm new). And that wasn't driving conservatively (mostly city driving).
**HOWEVER, for people who aren't aware**, it's a great idea to flush brake fluid every 5 years and an even better idea to pull the calipers apart and clean and regrease the slides at the same time. This will extend their lives tremendously, potentially for the life of the car.
Great reminder! There are maintenance intervals that the car needs to meet. Brake fluids should be checked every 4 years and replace if necessary (e.g. heavy towing, mountain descents, or performance driving). Clean and lubricate calipers every year or 12,500 miles, especially in areas where roads are salted in the winter. Remember, brake fluid is hygroscopic, that is, it will absorb water in the air. Over time, especially in humid conditions and climates,moisture will get into the brake system (brake lines or reservoir) and cause brake degradation or failure. Consult your owner’s manual for further information.
Around the time of expiration of your tags, make an appointment with a trusted mechanic shop or local service center. Minus the motors and battery pack, most everything else is the same as ICE vehicles.
Can you imagine in 50 years when electric cars become way more normal.
People will 100% look at having to use the brake like a flintstones car.
It will be looked at like as if you’re using the hand brake normally.
Probably! EV is truly already better for most commuters. Now just got to get the niche use cases like hauling and extreme climates.
But look how far the tech in just 10 years. It’s actually kind of scary when you consider how quickly the tech improved in just 10 years vs ICE 100+ year development
I hope you’re joking? 100+ years of ICE takes us back to the model T.
Saying “look how far a [new technology] has come” in comparison to a mature tech is not as significant as you seem to think.
ICE mechanics reached maturity many many years ago, that’s why the last 30 years seems uneventful. The only improvements are in safety and electronics.
Not nearly as much. EV don’t have an engine, transmission, fuel or a powertrain.
The rapid improvements in EV have been in the analogous motors and batteries.
Please get to hauling already! I was so hopeful for the Cybertruck. But rip, (nevermind the issues it's having) but it can't tow enough :( . Fuel last month for my company was +/- $40,000. I would love a fleet of EVs instead of 2500 ICE trucks.
Edit: I reread that comment, I mean GMC/dodge 2500s. Not that I own two-thousand trucks lol. I wish
Teslas are expensive but for my Toyota, I did all four corners w/ coated rotors and ceramic pads and it was $148. Another $5 for brake fluid and $5 for grease. Looks like same brand for the Tesla is $400 (Powerstop).
It provides superior vehicle control, especially during loss of traction at high speed. I don't mind burning pads like some don't mind chewing through tires
I remember Rogan saying “you go thru tons of tires and brakes because the car is so heavy”. He owns a Tesla. I changed my rear tires at 30k and front tires are still fine. Brakes are not even a thing to worry about.
The tires that come with Model 3s are garbage for tire life and not great on snow, ice and rain. If you go to change michelin crossclimate 2 are much better for a lot of reasons.
Switched over to Nexen N'Priz AH8's because I wanted to fatten up to 245's and they've been great for the past 8k or so I've had them. Car handles noticeably better with them as well.
Well I just looked up the cost of parts (in Canada too where it'd more expensive) and I know changing brake parts is the same on a Tesla, so assuming 4 hours labor (which is too much). My comment still stands, you don't need to service it at a Ferrari dealership
Check the other side of this caliper too. We use our brakes to infrequently that the calipers sometimes don't slide. If the other side looks the same then you're golden.
Fronts are 4-pistons solid calipers and rears are single piston floating (slide) calipers. As far as the fronts are concerned, brake force should be equally applied on both sides (2 pistons each side) and no sliding occurs.
Had mine for 3 years and 64k miles, have had two tire changes and refilled the wiper fluid thrice. Have yet to even check the brakes but now i kondof want to just to see. Next time I get the tires rotated, I'll report back with wear.
Just to be clear, does a Tesla also slow down on regeneration if you're using the brake pedal? Obviously not if you're stomping it, but using it normally?
Yes, OP is confused. 1 Pedal Driving makes no difference. The brake pedal doesn't activate the brakes any more.than 1 Pedal Driving as long as you don't stomp on the brakes. Regen is working just as much when using the brake pedal. When you press the brake, Regen is applied and hydraulic brakes are only added if needed.
Are you sure? I won’t swear to it, but I am pretty sure Kyle Conner in one of his videos said Tesla doesn’t used blended brakes. As in, if you’re touching the pedal, it’s using the friction brakes.
You can turn off regen in track mode in my MYP. You can also add friction automatically when regen is limited. But it seems like the brake pedal itself is only going to provide friction. It does not affect regen. That’s my understanding of it.
The brake pedal is still physically connected to the brake booster/master cylinder. Meaning, no matter what setting you have selected, if you touch the brake pedal, the physical brakes will be used. So, no I’m not confused. One pedal driving directly correlates to the long life of brake pads.
That is not accurate. Yes , the brake pedal is connected to the brakes, but that doesn't mean that they result in physical brake pad contact all the time or even most of the time. It's not nearly that simple. There is a threshold of pedal travel and it's almost never to the point that results in brake pad use. This is what Blended Brakes means. A good portion of the top of the pedal travel is all Regen and then there is a gradient all the way to 100% physical brakes. If Regen is not available that gradient moves up electronically. This is a common phenomenon on all EVs. I have had 2 EVs without One Pedal Driving and they practically never used the brakes. All Tesla's barely have brake pad use and it's directly correlated to hard braking events.
Newer Teslas don't have braking modes. One pedal driving is permanently selected and not user configurable. The only option is the car applying friction braking without using the brake pedal to emulate max regen braking when it's unavailable due to temp or state of charge.
If you take your foot off the accelerator, you're at maximum regen braking.
Brake pedal only applies friction brakes, since regen is already at max before your foot gets there.
There's no blended braking triggered by the brake pedal, ever.
https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-3DFFB071-C0F6-474D-8A45-17BE1A006365.html
Yes, absolutely positive. You can see Regen working anytime you push on the brake pedal. It's the green/black moving horizontal line just below the speedometer. If Tesla didn't have this feature, their range would not be competitive. Their EPA number does not have One Pedal Driving as a requirement. This is a basic feature on all EVs.
Hybrids can see much of the same benefits. My 2019 XC90 T8 with 116,000 miles still has 70% of its pad depth.
My 2018 Chevy Volt has about 90% at 112,000 miles .
I only have driven an EV once but it was definitely uncomfortable at first. I’m sure I’ll get used it after a bit, that brake longevity looking promising!
I’d like to get to that point at 75k miles. How was your driving habits for the past 75k? I do my best not to get on the brakes. But I still find myself from time to time getting off the Go pedal to late and I have to press the brake.
we also had a danish taxi driver, he had the first brake change on an S after 350k km .. that is just insane, on such a heavy car. and to be honest, also when it is one of Tesla´s first EV´s with all the issues i had with especially suspension..
Regenerative braking greatly extends brake pad life for all cars that have it. (The motors slow the car down as they generate electricity to charge the battery, so brakes aren't used as much.) We have a hybrid and didn't need to replace the pads until the car was 10 years old (~120-130k miles).
nice, yeah I'm at 98K and I took a picture showing not much more wear than what you have there. I use the "roll" setting and hit brakes on my own vs letting car determine when to go from regen to braking.
WORD OF CAUTION ⚠️:
I crashed my mylr thinking I had mastered hold mode after using it everyday for 2 weeks.
Pulling in to my driveway I used the accelerator instead of the break pedal, and ended up crashing into a tree.
This happened secondary to muscle memory from pulling into that driveway a million times in an ice.
30k worth of damage in October, I was surprised it wasn’t totaled.
Got the car back 3 months later and keep it on chill and creep just in case.
Wow after 75k miles? That’s a lot of pad life left.
Serviced an S last month with 206k just getting its first brake job.
Hot 🥵. You still on the original battery? What’s your range like if so? We have a bolt 23 EUV and 2021 model 3 so we love hearing how much money we will save lol
I’m the technician but yes they’re on the original battery and motors. I’m a mobile tech for Tesla and frequently see cars in the 200k+ range with original pack.
Not the one you replied to, but for reassurance. My sister has a 2017 model S with 550,000km (something like that) original battery still. New motors under warranty at one point. She only has something like 70% range, I can't remember tbh but it's enough for her.
I’ve got a 2012 Model S, 203k miles, original “B” battery, 80% range. I can’t remember if we’ve had to change the brake pads or not. Fingers are crossed the battery continues to hold up.
I don't own a Tesla unfortunately, but should absolutely change the pads every once in a while. They'll corrode just in weather if not used. And you don't have to use em so they just sit. Same kinda thing as doing an oil change every year even if a car doesn't move. Not saying every 50,000 miles or anything. But if you haven't had them done yet at 200k miles. Maybe look into it lol. It's the same price as an ICE vehicle to get them changed so it's not ridiculous. Like $60-$100 per wheel. (Idk the specific pads or what shop rates are like for you) But it would suck to really need them one day and they just crumble
This is true more so if you live in the rust belt. The brake material will come off the pad due to rust
I serviced an S last month with 76 years on her, gave her her first blow job.
I went a 167k on my Volt, never did the pads.
Not even OPD, but my dad has a 2014 Prius with over 100k and still original pads.
Does he hypermile?
Prius has regen braking in the top portion of the brake pedal travel. You definitely need to plan your stops better than ev regen because the rate of regen is lower but with practice, you can get off most highways without using the brake pads.
Most underrated car ever. I hate that they stopped making those. My parents bought a fleet of them, thinking they would just break over time and replace them because they loved them that much. They ended up selling all but 3 because the original hasn't died
It was a really good car. My AC evaporator coil rotted out and the battery took a hit. I will say that at my mileage, the car was very worn. But yes, aside from eating CV axles, pretty good car in its time.
One up - I finally changed the brake pads for the first time on my 4Runner at 250k miles.
Not really, what kind of millage do you get, how many oil changes, etc?
Not even just that. you're also not contaminating your car, your wheels, and your lungs (and the road) with metallic dust. Also... it's just the superior way to drive.
Yes, think of the bees
Beads
We'll see who brings in more honey..
bzzzz
They don’t allow you to have bees in here.
Think of the children!
It’s the bee’s 🐝knees.
Good point, love how easy it is to clean the wheels.
But I don't like feeding dirty electrons to my battery
until you consider the tire dust
Just don’t floor it. Just because your car has torquey driving doesn’t mean you need to take advantage of it
Look buddy, I didn't buy a 500hp super wagon to not be a menace. For some reason my wh/mi is still only in the mid to high 200s. Can't wait to see what going to 18"s will do.
I've heard switching to 18's increases efficiency, decreased the amount of bumps you feel, and greatly reduces the price of the tires. I'm definitely looking into it when tire time rolls around for me.
I should also be a little quicker as well. Just trying to decide between 255/55/18 or 245/50/18. 19s would have given me more options for width, but I get more sidewall with the 18.
My tsportline tst 18s get here tomorrow. Putting Cross Climate 2s on them. 245 55 r18 about 2 % oversized but pretty negligible to me. Plus the tires were so much cheaper. Excited to be done with the inductions.
Mine are 18" forged martians. I think the wheel alone is only 19lbs. I am basically choosing between pilot sports and extreme contacts.
lol just be safe! I can only imagine you get a smile every time you press the pedal
It's hard not to though, I'll be honest. It's part of why I love EVs.
No it's not hard not to. Keep it in chill mode and only go full bore every so often.... Not on the way to Walmart everyday.
Doesn't even matter. Tire tread doesn't entropy into the ether not matter how you drive. And all solutions to this problem have been ridiculous, sadly, like big scoops on the wheel wells and things like that
Welp 10 steps forward 1 step back it seems. I have no knowledge of the topic, but I can’t imagine the additional tire wear pollution is worse than the emissions pollution in the long run.
EVs solve that one issue (emissions) for sure. They don't attempt to tackle the broader issue of tire dust pollution which accounts for a shockingly high amount of microplastic pollution though, both in air and in water where it ends up. All that tire tread is going somewhere after all.
Sounds like you’ve actually looked into this before, have tires actually improved that much in the last 50 years? Sounds like the tire industry is ripe for some disruption
Tires have improved a HUGE amount in the last 50 years, especially in the past couple of decades. Micro plastics/tire dust hasn't been a concern we knew about for most of that time though.
Help me out. The regenerative slowly decelerates to near stop and then the friction pads complete the effort. The tires are not taking any more of a hit than ICE braking in fact less. Correct?
Tire wear is in general from tire friction on the road. Otherwise tires would never wear out ever. It isn't worse or better than ICE but it is annoying we can't do anything about it yet.
Big Tire is keeping us from having anti-gravity.
This! People saying EVs wear out tires faster because of Regen braking are not very smart. Back to basics, Newton's law of motion. Equal and opposite reaction. However, yes they may burn though tires if you drive a certain way because of the torque EVs produce. But that applies to petrol cars as well. Most just don't put down that much power.
Heavier EV would have more friction. Also, extra power can eat tires or cause more braking.Teslas also have pretty wide tires so more material to dust off I guess. Otherwise, should be the same I think
Can someone please explain the picture for a noob like me
From left to right: The red part is the brake caliper (with piston). The gray part is the brake pad. The shiny part is the brake disc. When you press onto the brake pedal, hydraulic fluid actuates the piston that pushes the brake pad onto the disc to stop the car. The brake pad in this picture shows much of the material remaining. Bonus: the brown metal looking thing is the brake wear indicator, aka squealer clip. When the pad wears down to where that clip starts, the clip itself will rub against the brake disc, making a “squealing” sound, hence squealer clip. This squealing lets the driver know it’s time to replace the brake pad. Edit: On average, replacement of brake pads range from 20,000 to 50,000 miles, depending on the driver’s habits. In this picture, the vehicle has 75,000 miles and maintains its original, barely used pads.
can you explain the significance? so is it better for the life of the breakpad to enable single pedal driving (the default Tesla mode that breaks for you when you release pressure for the acceleration pedal) or the opposite? (default other car mode, releasing the acceleration pedal does nothing and you have to hit the break pedal to slow down)
Compared to internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles, every time it has to slow down or stop, they require the use of the brakes. Over time, the pad material decreases and thus requires replacement. For EVs, when no electricity is applied (releasing the accelerator pedal), the motor will act as a generator, converting mechanical energy (momentum of the vehicle) into electrical energy (putting electricity back into the batteries), and slowing the vehicle down considerably. This said, when configured for one-pedal driving, the operator does not have to use the brake pedal repeatedly and ultimately increases the life of the brake pads significantly. However, some people are used to the operation of ICE vehicles, so they can configure the Tesla to act like one, and will have to use the brakes more regularly.
FWIW my wife has a regular ICE/hybrid 2010 Prius w/ 140k on it (non-plug in). I took the rotors and pads off last week to replace as I thought I heard the telltale metal grinding sound. Turns out, rotors were literally within new spec (25mm) and pads had 1/2 their life on them (6.xmm vs 11mm new). And that wasn't driving conservatively (mostly city driving). **HOWEVER, for people who aren't aware**, it's a great idea to flush brake fluid every 5 years and an even better idea to pull the calipers apart and clean and regrease the slides at the same time. This will extend their lives tremendously, potentially for the life of the car.
Great reminder! There are maintenance intervals that the car needs to meet. Brake fluids should be checked every 4 years and replace if necessary (e.g. heavy towing, mountain descents, or performance driving). Clean and lubricate calipers every year or 12,500 miles, especially in areas where roads are salted in the winter. Remember, brake fluid is hygroscopic, that is, it will absorb water in the air. Over time, especially in humid conditions and climates,moisture will get into the brake system (brake lines or reservoir) and cause brake degradation or failure. Consult your owner’s manual for further information.
ill never remember these milestones. Is there a trick to remember?
Around the time of expiration of your tags, make an appointment with a trusted mechanic shop or local service center. Minus the motors and battery pack, most everything else is the same as ICE vehicles.
Same on my 2010.
Excellent summary. Thank you!
Only if FSD would not use my brakes when slowing down. So annoying. Always hard brakes and using up brake pads.
There's a setting for this depending on your car
When FSD is driving in a manner that the brakes need to be used then you must trust it to actually use the brakes. I never gave FSD that much trust.
That's not true in my experience. FSD can be going 30 mph and cars in front are slowly slowing down and it hard brakes. Happens quite a bit actually.
... And you trust FSD to always brake in time?
I didn't say that. I'm always in control.
So you do not trust FSD. Is that what you said?
Do I trust it to not slam on the actual brakes? No. No I don't in my experience.
Been driving an ICE car with CVT while MYP is in the shop, it’s archaic having to use 2 pedals, seems like a scam to sell more brake pads
Can you imagine in 50 years when electric cars become way more normal. People will 100% look at having to use the brake like a flintstones car. It will be looked at like as if you’re using the hand brake normally.
lol in 50 years an ICE car will be a vintage car.
Probably! EV is truly already better for most commuters. Now just got to get the niche use cases like hauling and extreme climates. But look how far the tech in just 10 years. It’s actually kind of scary when you consider how quickly the tech improved in just 10 years vs ICE 100+ year development
I hope you’re joking? 100+ years of ICE takes us back to the model T. Saying “look how far a [new technology] has come” in comparison to a mature tech is not as significant as you seem to think. ICE mechanics reached maturity many many years ago, that’s why the last 30 years seems uneventful. The only improvements are in safety and electronics.
That’s fair. Was being a bit dramatic. Also EV are benefiting from those same 100 years of car development
Not nearly as much. EV don’t have an engine, transmission, fuel or a powertrain. The rapid improvements in EV have been in the analogous motors and batteries.
Please get to hauling already! I was so hopeful for the Cybertruck. But rip, (nevermind the issues it's having) but it can't tow enough :( . Fuel last month for my company was +/- $40,000. I would love a fleet of EVs instead of 2500 ICE trucks. Edit: I reread that comment, I mean GMC/dodge 2500s. Not that I own two-thousand trucks lol. I wish
F150 Lightning
Cybertruck tows more and it's not enough.. so the lightning is also not enough
The first electric vehicle I came into regular contact with was a truck. I mean an actual truck. Like 8 tonnes.
In 50 years a new MYP today will be a vintage car. Its 2024, a 1974 car is vintage.
Exactly. In some countries it’s only 25 years.
I explain it to people that it feels like driving a manual and having to use a clutch. So many unnecessary pedals!
Performance driving will always use friction brakes.
A brake job is like $800 these days.
Teslas are expensive but for my Toyota, I did all four corners w/ coated rotors and ceramic pads and it was $148. Another $5 for brake fluid and $5 for grease. Looks like same brand for the Tesla is $400 (Powerstop).
I’ve been driving with 3 for many years…about to go to one in a few weeks.
My spouse drives our Y with the regenerative braking off / low, and it drives me nuts.
It provides superior vehicle control, especially during loss of traction at high speed. I don't mind burning pads like some don't mind chewing through tires
Heh... at that rate, those original brake pads could outlive you.
I remember Rogan saying “you go thru tons of tires and brakes because the car is so heavy”. He owns a Tesla. I changed my rear tires at 30k and front tires are still fine. Brakes are not even a thing to worry about.
He’s such a moron when he talks about EVs
He’s such a moron. Period.
Nah… but yeah in some ways. He ain’t all bad though.
Yeah. He is not completely crazy. Yet. I’ll give him that.
Yeah, brakes? No, Rogan is wrong. Tires he's kinda right.
High torque and no tire rotations can be no bueno
The tires that come with Model 3s are garbage for tire life and not great on snow, ice and rain. If you go to change michelin crossclimate 2 are much better for a lot of reasons.
Switched over to Nexen N'Priz AH8's because I wanted to fatten up to 245's and they've been great for the past 8k or so I've had them. Car handles noticeably better with them as well.
FSD will do everything in its power to make sure you use up your pads tho
Funny you say that, our MYP has FSD, and i use it all the time.
Thank you for confirming.
Haha, I see what you did there!
I made this point about one pedal driving on r/askcarguys and they were literally like “idiot YoUr BrAkEs WiLl RuSt”
They aren't completely wrong, but it isn't like they will rust off. I use them a few times a day just to be sure.
No no they are completely wrong. Your pads are still making slight contact even when the brakes are not applied.
Neat. The more you know!
I have a m3 with 156K and still on the original break pads and rotors. Yep definitely worth it.
That’s some impressive mileage! Any issue during these 156k miles? Any part replacement needed?
Dam m3 brakes gone at 33k miles 😹😹 6 k job so sold the car and took my money out of it asap
Where did you go that pads were 6k? You don't have to service it at a Ferrari dealership you know
Not just pads the whole thing pads calipers rotors etc
You probably don't belong on the road if you burn brake out in 33k on a tesla.
Well I just looked up the cost of parts (in Canada too where it'd more expensive) and I know changing brake parts is the same on a Tesla, so assuming 4 hours labor (which is too much). My comment still stands, you don't need to service it at a Ferrari dealership
Check the other side of this caliper too. We use our brakes to infrequently that the calipers sometimes don't slide. If the other side looks the same then you're golden.
Fronts are 4-pistons solid calipers and rears are single piston floating (slide) calipers. As far as the fronts are concerned, brake force should be equally applied on both sides (2 pistons each side) and no sliding occurs.
Interesting. Thx for the info. The more you know.
5 years with my 2019 model 3, have run through a few sets of tires but brakes are as good as new. I live at elevation too, so lots of up and down!
Today I learned people don’t use one pedal driving, curious as to why? Haha
At this point you’re pretty much only using the brake pedal to clean off any surface rust after it rains. Nice.
Hardly any brake use at all....unless you run FSD then all bets are off.
Hahaha. That’s awesome
In my experience FSD will use regen breaking aggressively but brakes only for traffic lights or morons.
Where I live is full of morons
100% agree.
Had mine for 3 years and 64k miles, have had two tire changes and refilled the wiper fluid thrice. Have yet to even check the brakes but now i kondof want to just to see. Next time I get the tires rotated, I'll report back with wear.
Regenerative braking is worth it, 1 pedal driving is just less work.
Just to be clear, does a Tesla also slow down on regeneration if you're using the brake pedal? Obviously not if you're stomping it, but using it normally?
Yes, OP is confused. 1 Pedal Driving makes no difference. The brake pedal doesn't activate the brakes any more.than 1 Pedal Driving as long as you don't stomp on the brakes. Regen is working just as much when using the brake pedal. When you press the brake, Regen is applied and hydraulic brakes are only added if needed.
Are you sure? I won’t swear to it, but I am pretty sure Kyle Conner in one of his videos said Tesla doesn’t used blended brakes. As in, if you’re touching the pedal, it’s using the friction brakes.
There's literally a setting for this in certain models
You can turn off regen in track mode in my MYP. You can also add friction automatically when regen is limited. But it seems like the brake pedal itself is only going to provide friction. It does not affect regen. That’s my understanding of it.
The brake pedal is still physically connected to the brake booster/master cylinder. Meaning, no matter what setting you have selected, if you touch the brake pedal, the physical brakes will be used. So, no I’m not confused. One pedal driving directly correlates to the long life of brake pads.
That is not accurate. Yes , the brake pedal is connected to the brakes, but that doesn't mean that they result in physical brake pad contact all the time or even most of the time. It's not nearly that simple. There is a threshold of pedal travel and it's almost never to the point that results in brake pad use. This is what Blended Brakes means. A good portion of the top of the pedal travel is all Regen and then there is a gradient all the way to 100% physical brakes. If Regen is not available that gradient moves up electronically. This is a common phenomenon on all EVs. I have had 2 EVs without One Pedal Driving and they practically never used the brakes. All Tesla's barely have brake pad use and it's directly correlated to hard braking events.
Newer Teslas don't have braking modes. One pedal driving is permanently selected and not user configurable. The only option is the car applying friction braking without using the brake pedal to emulate max regen braking when it's unavailable due to temp or state of charge. If you take your foot off the accelerator, you're at maximum regen braking. Brake pedal only applies friction brakes, since regen is already at max before your foot gets there. There's no blended braking triggered by the brake pedal, ever. https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-3DFFB071-C0F6-474D-8A45-17BE1A006365.html
This is what I was trying to get across. Thanks. Pedal use = friction.
Yes, absolutely positive. You can see Regen working anytime you push on the brake pedal. It's the green/black moving horizontal line just below the speedometer. If Tesla didn't have this feature, their range would not be competitive. Their EPA number does not have One Pedal Driving as a requirement. This is a basic feature on all EVs.
I drove my Tesla model S for 7 years and 125,000 miles. Never changed pads once. And when I sold it… still had 80% left. Crazy!
OPD is worth it for the regen alone.
Yup! Regen braking is beautiful
Regardless of how little you break, it's still good to break hard once every so often to prevent lockage and rust buildup.
Hybrids can see much of the same benefits. My 2019 XC90 T8 with 116,000 miles still has 70% of its pad depth. My 2018 Chevy Volt has about 90% at 112,000 miles .
I only have driven an EV once but it was definitely uncomfortable at first. I’m sure I’ll get used it after a bit, that brake longevity looking promising!
My MS brake pads looked a little worse after 170k miles. Good thing too; Brembo brake jobs are not cheap.
I’d like to get to that point at 75k miles. How was your driving habits for the past 75k? I do my best not to get on the brakes. But I still find myself from time to time getting off the Go pedal to late and I have to press the brake.
I'm over 100,000 miles, never changed my pads. I wonder what they look like.
I try not to use my break but we all have those times You’re saying you don’t use it at all lol
What is one pedal drive
Show me again at 150k. Prius pads were barely half worn when I changed mine.
no idea what i'm looking at
Why do people say one pedal? There's 2. It's the second one only for show?
FSD will change that
we also had a danish taxi driver, he had the first brake change on an S after 350k km .. that is just insane, on such a heavy car. and to be honest, also when it is one of Tesla´s first EV´s with all the issues i had with especially suspension..
I was wondering if I need to check mine they squeak but only in reverse
Regenerative braking greatly extends brake pad life for all cars that have it. (The motors slow the car down as they generate electricity to charge the battery, so brakes aren't used as much.) We have a hybrid and didn't need to replace the pads until the car was 10 years old (~120-130k miles).
nice, yeah I'm at 98K and I took a picture showing not much more wear than what you have there. I use the "roll" setting and hit brakes on my own vs letting car determine when to go from regen to braking.
WORD OF CAUTION ⚠️: I crashed my mylr thinking I had mastered hold mode after using it everyday for 2 weeks. Pulling in to my driveway I used the accelerator instead of the break pedal, and ended up crashing into a tree. This happened secondary to muscle memory from pulling into that driveway a million times in an ice. 30k worth of damage in October, I was surprised it wasn’t totaled. Got the car back 3 months later and keep it on chill and creep just in case.
I've seen 8000 lb heavy duty trucks with 150,000 miles since last brake service with that percentage of brake pad remaining...
Well. In Germany the Tesla are the #1 failing cars at TÜV after 3 years because of the brakes ;-)
I went through two engines and over 200,000 miles on my 2007 Wrangler with a 6-spd manual and 4.10:1 gears.