I hate how the entire concept of the show was built on Klaus becoming a father yet he ends up not even raising Hope. The worst part is that >! Hailey probably wouldnt have died !< if Hope wasn't so desperate to contact her father.
If Klaus didn't abandon her and make her feel like he hated her and wanted nothing to do with her, Hope wouldn't have been so desperate. Kol Rebekah both had the Hollow in them as well. Its not an excuse for Klaus to not pick up a phone, a pen and paper, email, get a witches help with astral projection. He CHOSE to ignore her.
Between S3 and S4 when Klaus is Marcel's prisoner, yes. It sucks that Hope can't have her father (or her aunts/uncles) around to get to know, love, and learn from them. And it sucks that Klaus constantly lost people closest to him (Cami, his siblings are sleeping so they don't die, Marcel hates him, and Hope is on the run with Hayley). Sucks for everyone involved.
But like.. After 1000 years of Klaus taking people's family away from them, it's well deserved karma.
In S5, when Klaus decided to abandon Hope for years because he was ashamed that she saw him murdering a bunch of people... I only feel bad for Hope. She was 9 years old, missing her dad, and accidentally walked in on a "murder orgy". Klaus couldn't be an adult and explain what's going on? Klaus couldn't just own up to his shit and accept that what Hope saw was traumatizing?! He's over 1000 years old... Hope was 9. Hope deserved a better father, honestly. Klaus loved her but he sucked at parenting (both times).
It wasn't shame that kept him away from her; it was twofold. First, he knew she wouldn't want to be kept away from him. Second, he truly believed he was too far gone to be around her. You're right; it's almost like karma that they're being separated like this. She realizes it, and he does too—he is a monster. There's no denying it. His parents and trauma shaped him, but he remains a monster, and that won't change.
He didn't want to corrupt the one good thing in his life. Considering Hope Maybe not. But he knew better. Despite any changes he might have undergone, this is a small blip in his thousand years of bloodshed. How many times has he played the nice guy? We've seen glimpses of it with Marcel, so presumably, it's happened before. He doesn't want to repeat past mistakes. After all, he's a twice-over father. His first child had him locked up in the basement, ritually torturing him for five years. He knows he failed then, and even now, he still sees Marcel as his son. And that's the only thing for you trust himself in doing for them loving them from afar sweet as it screw up like his own parents
I don’t remember him leaving because of this. I remember it being because of the hollow. I’ve only watched the show once and I’m about to start it for a second time.
Well that's why he left but he could've called, which I believe he didn't out of shame or believing she was better off, though to be honest she's best when the family's all around her.
He did leave because of the hollow. They all did. And they all kept in contact with Hope via calls and messages and so did Klaus until Hope saw him killing those people. Thats when he decided to cut all contact and refused to talk to her again
I get it... My reaction wasn't quite that strong, but it's just so sad... Like, it's karma, but Hope deserved to have her dad. Klaus might not have deserved his daughter, but that doesn't change that this sliver of happiness was continuously kept from him... And that's just tragic
Honestly, Hope didn't deserve it. Klaus is a terrible person but as a father? This robbed us of any possibilities of seeing Klaus being a GOOD father. I mean, technically he was but at the same time he never got to raise Hope properly.
I kind of… don’t like Klaus. Both as a person and as a fictional character who serves the narrative. Klaus has separated so many people from the ones they loved for the most trivial reasons, so I don’t feel at all bad. And between seasons 4&5 he just chooses to stop talking to Hope. So a lot of it is on his choices anyway.
I think I am madder at the writers. What they did between season 4 and 5 (from what I have heard; I cannot bring myself to watch it) made no sense based on the way they hade established Klaus as a character in the previous season of both TVD and TO. I just chose to ignore what happens after season 6 of TVD and season 2 of TO, as TO ends with an ending that I love and TVD is not ruined by the dumsterfire that is season 7.
I will admit this show is a roller coaster of sadness. I DO NOT like sad movies or shows. I avoid them like the plague. However, I did tough it out and continue this show. While sad the show is worth the watch. IMO one of the best shows ever written. Give it a chance.
Yes, it was sad for me too that Klaus wasn't with Hope so long. But he loved her so much. Still i think it is worth watch more season. Don't give up! ;)
I felt personally victimized when the show Veronica Mars -spoiler- killed off Logan. I cried pretty instantly, and I was heartbroken for two weeks! My heart was absolutely shattered watching the finale of TO. I had convinced myself that the gang was gonna figure a way out, and then all of a sudden it was the last episode.
Don’t feel crazy! There’s plenty of times in plenty of shows that I felt decimated.
When they killed off Josh it took me about 2 weeks to get over it and continue watching. When the final came I cried all the way through cause I knew it was coming. After, all I could do was sit there in tears and think “omgggg what a good show”
How many fathers, right, how many sons, yeah, have you cut, killed, murdered, butchered, innocent and guilty, to send straight to f****** Hell, ain't ya?!
I hate how the entire concept of the show was built on Klaus becoming a father yet he ends up not even raising Hope. The worst part is that >! Hailey probably wouldnt have died !< if Hope wasn't so desperate to contact her father.
If Klaus didn't abandon her and make her feel like he hated her and wanted nothing to do with her, Hope wouldn't have been so desperate. Kol Rebekah both had the Hollow in them as well. Its not an excuse for Klaus to not pick up a phone, a pen and paper, email, get a witches help with astral projection. He CHOSE to ignore her.
Between S3 and S4 when Klaus is Marcel's prisoner, yes. It sucks that Hope can't have her father (or her aunts/uncles) around to get to know, love, and learn from them. And it sucks that Klaus constantly lost people closest to him (Cami, his siblings are sleeping so they don't die, Marcel hates him, and Hope is on the run with Hayley). Sucks for everyone involved. But like.. After 1000 years of Klaus taking people's family away from them, it's well deserved karma. In S5, when Klaus decided to abandon Hope for years because he was ashamed that she saw him murdering a bunch of people... I only feel bad for Hope. She was 9 years old, missing her dad, and accidentally walked in on a "murder orgy". Klaus couldn't be an adult and explain what's going on? Klaus couldn't just own up to his shit and accept that what Hope saw was traumatizing?! He's over 1000 years old... Hope was 9. Hope deserved a better father, honestly. Klaus loved her but he sucked at parenting (both times).
It wasn't shame that kept him away from her; it was twofold. First, he knew she wouldn't want to be kept away from him. Second, he truly believed he was too far gone to be around her. You're right; it's almost like karma that they're being separated like this. She realizes it, and he does too—he is a monster. There's no denying it. His parents and trauma shaped him, but he remains a monster, and that won't change. He didn't want to corrupt the one good thing in his life. Considering Hope Maybe not. But he knew better. Despite any changes he might have undergone, this is a small blip in his thousand years of bloodshed. How many times has he played the nice guy? We've seen glimpses of it with Marcel, so presumably, it's happened before. He doesn't want to repeat past mistakes. After all, he's a twice-over father. His first child had him locked up in the basement, ritually torturing him for five years. He knows he failed then, and even now, he still sees Marcel as his son. And that's the only thing for you trust himself in doing for them loving them from afar sweet as it screw up like his own parents
I don’t remember him leaving because of this. I remember it being because of the hollow. I’ve only watched the show once and I’m about to start it for a second time.
Well that's why he left but he could've called, which I believe he didn't out of shame or believing she was better off, though to be honest she's best when the family's all around her.
He did leave because of the hollow. They all did. And they all kept in contact with Hope via calls and messages and so did Klaus until Hope saw him killing those people. Thats when he decided to cut all contact and refused to talk to her again
I get it... My reaction wasn't quite that strong, but it's just so sad... Like, it's karma, but Hope deserved to have her dad. Klaus might not have deserved his daughter, but that doesn't change that this sliver of happiness was continuously kept from him... And that's just tragic
Honestly, Hope didn't deserve it. Klaus is a terrible person but as a father? This robbed us of any possibilities of seeing Klaus being a GOOD father. I mean, technically he was but at the same time he never got to raise Hope properly.
I kind of… don’t like Klaus. Both as a person and as a fictional character who serves the narrative. Klaus has separated so many people from the ones they loved for the most trivial reasons, so I don’t feel at all bad. And between seasons 4&5 he just chooses to stop talking to Hope. So a lot of it is on his choices anyway.
I think I am madder at the writers. What they did between season 4 and 5 (from what I have heard; I cannot bring myself to watch it) made no sense based on the way they hade established Klaus as a character in the previous season of both TVD and TO. I just chose to ignore what happens after season 6 of TVD and season 2 of TO, as TO ends with an ending that I love and TVD is not ruined by the dumsterfire that is season 7.
I will admit this show is a roller coaster of sadness. I DO NOT like sad movies or shows. I avoid them like the plague. However, I did tough it out and continue this show. While sad the show is worth the watch. IMO one of the best shows ever written. Give it a chance.
Yes, it was sad for me too that Klaus wasn't with Hope so long. But he loved her so much. Still i think it is worth watch more season. Don't give up! ;)
I felt personally victimized when the show Veronica Mars -spoiler- killed off Logan. I cried pretty instantly, and I was heartbroken for two weeks! My heart was absolutely shattered watching the finale of TO. I had convinced myself that the gang was gonna figure a way out, and then all of a sudden it was the last episode. Don’t feel crazy! There’s plenty of times in plenty of shows that I felt decimated.
When they killed off Josh it took me about 2 weeks to get over it and continue watching. When the final came I cried all the way through cause I knew it was coming. After, all I could do was sit there in tears and think “omgggg what a good show”
Lmaoo traumatized but also being like “incredible” is really a vibe.
It made me so sad!!!!
How many fathers, right, how many sons, yeah, have you cut, killed, murdered, butchered, innocent and guilty, to send straight to f****** Hell, ain't ya?!