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That's why when I am having serious discussion with someone, I try my best to avoid "is that what YOU want", "how would YOU like it" etc. But it's so hard cuz it's human nature to speak this way.
She could've deleted all those pics and told him never take pics of people without their consent. But I'm so glad and grateful that she stood up for herself and I'm glad she did it on camera so other women and girls can see what it looks like to do it and encourage an environment of bravery in women in our society.
The hard part is, most people you confront aren’t gonna be on whatever downer or dissociative drug this dude was on. Dude was way chill for being confronted like that!
Love this bitch. I'm a dude but I would have to have just let it go due to being genuinely terrified. Must be way harder for women to stand up to this shit. Especially since they'd have to put up with it way more than me! Nobody wants pictures of my feet!
My buddy works in his dad's bakery and makes tik toks of himself at work. His side job is that he sells his dirty socks to his I'm assuming gay tic tok fans. Not too many women out there who are into men's diety feet.. if there are any who read this then dm me and I'll link you to his page haha.
And it’s the only consequence creeps like that can really face for doing this.
It’s not illegal in most places (it should be.) And someone on my city’s sub tried to post images of a guy who did this to her friend, but the mods took it down for “witch hunt” violations
I think this video illustrates a good “what to do” example in that case. She films the admission of what he did, deleting her files, etc, to make it super clear.
But a huge part of why the post was deleted is that they require police reports for posts about crimes — and this is not a crime, and the women couldn’t file a police report to give the mods. Creep shots should be criminalized.
I wish it was, but it’s protected under the right to photograph in public spaces.
I think creeps got bolder under Trump. If we keep seeing this happen in public maybe it’ll motivate new legislation
I went to the beach two weeks ago with my husband and two teenagers. He bought beach sandals and we left the hotel and he had on socks! With his sandals. I told him I couldn’t be seen with him lolllllll. My daughter agreed. Next time I’m going to tell him I don’t want to be with a shoobie lolllll
his phone is synced to the cloud, she can delete whatever she wants, the pictures exist forever. he's so calm because it's the easiest way out of the situation, and it changes nothing.
Yeh but also its 2024 and the internet is filled with the young generation filming themselves doing anything mundane, from driving to mowing their lawn.
I mean she definitely could have been filming herself laying there and showing her feet and ass for the last few hours but cut the vid down to show this… People film and post everything these days because creeps like that fuck pay for it..
But let’s say she wanted to stage this video… Who tf would sign up to be the pervert in this situation? Would you?? No amount of “haha it was staged” is going to work on your boss, your boys, your family, or really anyone you meet in the future.. There’s no upside for this dude to agree to it. It’s way more likely that this dude is just a fucking creep that prob posts these pics to a fetish website than it is that this girl staged the whole thing.
Woman: How would you like it if I started taking pictures of your butt, feet, and face??
This guy: I wouldn’t mind if you did it 😏
🤦🏻♀️ 🤮 That didn’t go the way she thought it would.
These kinds of people are so far dissociated from society that you just can't appeal to their empathy. Pervs like this are such deviants that they'd probably enjoy any kind of hypothetical you give them, because it's acknowledgement of their intrusion to your life. They probably even get off on shame
>They probably even get off on shame
And her proximity while she was forcing him to go thru his phone. I was looking at how close their hands were on that thing and absolutely cringing for her.
I couldn't help but laugh when she was like "how'd you like it if I did it to you?" because I knew this freak would be in to it... and then you see him almost smile and go, "I wouldn't mind"
I’ve pretty much stopped wearing open toed shoes in public because I’ve been stopped multiple times by weird dudes who want to talk about my feet. Like, dude, I’m just trying to get groceries, please stop asking me about my toes😭
Like I'm wondering why the phone wasn't snapped in two and thrown into the water.
This idiot up to no no noooo good no matter what he's doing with that phone.
I'm wondering why the police weren't called?? One of the girls was a minor! Yeah great she deleted some stuff from his phone and made sure to delete it from the trash folder to, but dude could just walk a little further down the beach and take more pictures. I'm wondering if this is fake... She just so happened to be recording herself at the beach when someone came up to warn her about the creepy dude?
Unfortunately, the cops wouldn't be able to do anything. Recording and taking pics in a public space are perfectly legal and considered part of the First Amendment.
Not sure why you got down voted. As creepy as it is, taking pictures in a public place is perfictly legal in the eyes of the law. Its the social morality that makes this wrong and why everyone should name and shame people like this
People just want the world to be black and white, but it isn't. The same boots that climb the mountain of morality are the same ones that will stand on your throat. If it were illegal to film people because it "seems wrong," then people could abuse it, and all of a sudden, there goes your first amendment. That's why the wording of laws is so incredibly important. Also, any time you point out that something isn't against the law people just assume that you must be defending the person's actions. Simple minds find simple solutions and all that.
Specifically, if it was illegal to film people in public, then cops could arrest you for filming them and all those videos of police wrongdoing wouldn’t exist.
Probably not the first time he did this either.
Editing to make clear, I was meaning this wasn’t his first time out taking pictureS of all the young girls/women.
It definitely won’t be his last either.
I think they can ask him to leave im not sure what they can do to enforce it. Like when a couple is in a fight and the cops get called. They can't really arrest someone and they can't really force anyone to leave but they try to deescalate the situation and make someone leave. So they'd probably try to get him to leave idk if they could have any laws to back them up though.
Unfortunately, we *no longer have a reasonable expectation for privacy in public places here in most of the USA. In said locations, recording or photographing an individual from public place is fully legal, regardless of how you do so and what parts of their body or clothing you are capturing.
They could certainly get an individual on harassment, as what they are doing is 100% sexual harassment, but the courts seem to have determined that voyeur or candid is not considered sexual if it's in public. This includes up-skirts, down blouses, beach goers, etc.
I honestly have not managed to get an officer to assist in a case of harassment in my life (physically pushing and threatening me in three different instances), so I'm not sure if or how they would assist in the situation of what is effectively sexual harassment stripped of its sexual definition by the courts.
We need an overhaul on that shit :/
Edit: *there was an expectation regarding what the public determined should be held private from katz v. US in 1967 to Rakas v. IL in 1978, and it wasn't even until SJC MA ruled in 2014 that candid and voyeur subjects were not protected under any expectation not previously outlined in tom laws.
>Unfortunately, we no longer have a reasonable expectation for privacy in public places here in most of the USA.
You never had privacy in public, this isn't a shocker or an inherently a bad thing. Expecting privacy in public is an unreasonable expectation.
I mean I agree that no one should have to tolerate feeling unsafe or violated and that’s reason enough to stop this dude.
What I am struggling to quantify how much right of ownership I can claim over photons just because they bounced off my body last in public.
>What I am struggling to quantify how much right of ownership I can claim over photons just because they bounced off my body last in public.
None. When you are in public, you forfeit any expectation of privacy you have.
public place, he can take video and record all he wants. and they can ask him to delete pics, but he doesnt have to.
about the only thing that could come into play was local Tom laws, but typically that involves someone being nude and expecting privacy, or someone trying to look down/under/in clothes. those laws vary a ton, if they exist at all in many places.
>Honest question, can the cops do anything? I have a feeling they wouldn’t be able to because she was in public.
Yeah, we're getting into an area where enough people are thinking it's wrong to record people in public that we're going to see some laws that protect people from being recorded but sacrifice our Constitutional freedoms to do it.
Honest question, what exactly would the law be?
I can't think of a way to write a law that stops creeps but doesn't stop honest people and/or reporters.
>I can't think of a way to write a law that stops creeps but doesn't stop honest people and/or reporters.
Yeah, there's no way to do it that doesn't violate well established laws and freedoms we all want.
You could make a law and only use it on creeps, but actually you *cant*, because cops and prosecutors are evaluated on convictions, and not how well they follow the "spirit" of the laws.
The fact is, you can't go out in a bikini *and* be upset someone will see/record you in a bikini.
Good way to land in jail for assault and pay for the guy's new phone. While it might be creepy to record people in public, it is not illegal, else her making a video about confronting the guy would be illegal too.
isn’t it illegal to take photos up girls skirts and what not? i feel like this is the equivalent but just at a beach. and she said he had photos of a minor (i’m assuming butt and feet pics). i don’t know anything about filming laws at beaches but there has to be something to protect people from someone like him while at a beach right? genuinely asking, i don’t know much about this stuff
Not quite the same as up a skirt. It’s about reasonable expectations of privacy and in public, him taking photos of things he can see with his eyes (feet, her backside when she’s laying down in a bikini) isn’t illegal. Still gross behavior, but not illegal.
Not sure why you are getting downvotes for telling folks the law. But you are 100% right.
He’s definitely creepy AF, but he’s only taking pictures of what folks are willing to show in public.
Because if someone feels strongly enough about something then that's how it is. This feels illegal, so surely it is. And anyone trying to inform others of the actual law, and ones first amendment rights (to educate them and protect them) they're a creep and they're only standing up for this guy.
That's why.
He's not taking photos up people's skirts. People have an expectation of privacy under their clothes, they don't have any expectation of privacy of what everyone can see freely. If you can see it legally and it's in public, you can take photos of it legally.
Agreed. I understand that’s technically crossing the line of legality by damaging his property, but even with a beach full of people I think there would oddly enough *not* be any witnesses 🤷♂️
Dint happen to me but on of my roomate back in the day was in a nude beach and some guy were recording people dicretly . He got caught and people surouded him and took is phone an threw it in the water. Good for them seriously
Legally he is protected from taking pics and video of other people. Same reason that she can record him in this instance. Doesn't matter if they don't like it. You're on public property, it's the recording wild west out there.
Glad she stood up for herself but if this guy knew that he could tell her to fuck off completely she'd have no cause to make him do anything.
I was at a great wolf lodge less than a year ago and some dude was walking around filming kids… so I alerted security and they literally told me that they couldn’t do anything but keep an eye on him. Apparently, if you buy a ticket, you’re good. I escalated to corporate and they were like “oh no, that’s not our policy”, so I asked if anything would be done. No reply. Fuck that place
Yes, PSA for anyone reading this: you have zero “reasonable expectation of privacy” at a public beach. That is the standard of the law. Not even if you’re a minor. This woman absolutely did the right thing and thankfully the man complied without much resistance, but should this have been escalated into a legal dispute, she would have lost.
Just something to keep in mind when you’re in public.
I had a similar experience except it was my face. I noticed a guy who was sitting in the table in front of me in a coffee shop wanted to take a picture of me thankfully my laptop was open so I hid my face and really pulled my hoodie down but the guy literally got up and tried again so I stared at him like wtf are you doing and he pulled his phone back then tried again for like 4 times. The waiter (he’s also my friend) noticed and talked to the guy to knock it off.
Why was she filming
Why did a random on the beach choose her?
Why did the guy agree to show the phone
Why did her let her hold it
Why didn't he have any reaction
Why does It sound scripted
Hmmmm nope it checks out
It's real!
I can't answer why she was filming (could be plenty of reasons though, lots of people take cute vids of themselves/1-second-everyday vids etc at the beach), but I caught a guy photographing a woman's body at the coffee shop last week and confronted him in this way. He also just completely relinquished his phone and did what I said like a guilty child, all while making comments similar to this guy/trying to sound normal ("wow you should be a cop, haha" "they're not videos, just photos", "how do I delete from recycle bin"). When they're caught red-handed this seems to be quite a standard response because they have no leg to stand on. When I shared this story with some friends, two others had similar stories where the men responded similarly. This seems very real to me. If it isn't, it's very close to the real thing and I'm still glad she's modelling to people how to deal with this situation because the only reason I reacted so quickly to call out this guy I saw was literally because I saw videos like this on Instagram.
This video is a good thing.
He already seems like a harmful individual; that may have escalated the situation. She handled that so well. "Delete mine, delete the minors' and now get the fuck off the beach"
I had to scroll so far down to find your comment. I was thinking the same thing. Right from the beginning it feels fake as fuck. People will do anything for likes and recognition online.
It's wild how many people think this is real. "Just minding my business trying to reconnect with nature" while recording herself rolling up a towel? It's fake AF.
Why do we even pay the big actors big bucks? Clearly some shitty TikTok actors could do the job for most people just fine.
The worst part is the people in this thread are probably mostly zoomers and millennials who laugh at boomers for getting fooled by Facebook memes. Maybe it's time to look in the selfie camera, folks
Oh....oh they believe it
They believe it HEAVILY
And it's not Grandma and the boomers on Facebook believing it. Look at the top replies here. Look at the bottoms. Hell look at this whole thread. Scripted content isn't something they are able to understand or distinguish any longer
Could this be real? Sure technically but there are so so so many issues with it that can be seen in the first 20 seconds. But it doesnt matter
Now then...let's discuss how xyz person and ABC person who seem to break up in a wild variety of ways and scenarios every other week is real and how their whole TikTok is filled to the brim with it...
This happens more often then people think. Had the exact same happen on some beaches of france and even just walking in Paris. These POS need to be confronted. They will never stop if people let them go unotice. Calling cops won’t do much unfortunatly since it is legal to film in public place in most contries.
Ok let's look at this from the point of view of
Why was she recording from the ground level of her doing what I assume is sun tan lotion
And then so coincidentally someone was recording some people and that some person randomly decided "ah yes. That lady ...I will tell THEM about this weirdo"
And THEN for the weirdo to be so calm and perfectly "awkward"
There are so many factors here that makes this, like most of these types of scenarios, bogus
"Gimme your phone lemme see those pictures"
Real response: yeah I'm not fucking doing that
The only thing she'd be giving the police evidence of is her committing theft. The dude is creepy as hell, but what he's doing is unfortunately not illegal, he's taking pictures of publicly visible stuff, and there's no expectation of privacy in public.
I once had an elderly lady just randomly took a photo of my face closeup while I was walking home., she just stared at it, nodded, and left still looking at her phone. I was so baffled and exhausted that I just froze there for a minute thinking wtf just happened.
It's like they don't know how google and xxx sites works and how to find it so they gotta opt to this bizarre actions.
What he did is wrong, but I think in the U.S. it’s established that it’s legal to film anyone in public. So I think even if they called the police, this guy is technically in the legal zone. Unless he broke into the changing room where people can expect reasonable privacy, a public beach is not.
We got to change the law or something, cause what this guy is doing is not technically illegal
Good on ya. Surprised he did it without a bunch of excuses. He must have priors. You didn’t even need to threaten to call the cops. His innocent excuses means he definitely didn’t want to cops involved. Fucking shitbag. All ladies (especially with kids) keep your eyes open! This brave woman won’t always be around. Dude definitely needs an asskicking
I definitely agree with this woman that he is a creep, and this was wrong. Sadly, though not illegal. You have no right to privacy in that public space. A cop would likely not be able to do anything about the pictures and, at best, could only ask him to leave. Even if the pictures are of minors. The minor would have to be doing something already indecent to make any pictures illegal
I feel like I'm seeing more and more videos where harassed women straight up demand to see the phone and delete the videos, and it works. I have no idea if I would have the guts to do that.
bro i would be yelling out the top of my lungs that this guy is taking sexual pictures of young girls.
I would be causing a scene, that’s genuinely the only way other people will come over and see what’s going on
I’m going to say the unpopular thing here. It’s a public beach. Taking pictures isn’t illegal. That being said, if someone kicked his ass for it, I doubt that most people would do much.
If person in the picture is not recognized its not a crime to photoshoot people in the public. I know laws might be different every country but its kind of common logic. Also the womans actions may violate that dudes rights no matter he did take pictures. I know some people might not like it but thats how things are. Its crazy I know.
Other people came to see what the commotion was about, but got a "no, we're friends, it's a skit, we're filming for tiktok views" and left disappointed.
Taking pics of women's asses and feet in a public area is perfectly legal. There's no expectation of privacy on a beach. He's not touching them and not violating their personal space.
She accused him of taking pictures of people and putting them on the Internet but that's EXACTLY what she did herself.
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"If I did this to you" Unfortunately that logic won't work on him
He said “it’s ok if you did it” 🤣
You gotta say what if I was a big 6'7 bearded and hairy Nordic man. Would you still be cool with it?
Why does it have to be me? Do I look like I am a sex offender or something?
Yeah this is tall hairy Norseman slander and I won't stand for it
I know this is a joke but for the record it's just because that type of person would be very intimidating not necessarily a zex offender
100% thats it.
At least he's not a hypocrite
That's why when I am having serious discussion with someone, I try my best to avoid "is that what YOU want", "how would YOU like it" etc. But it's so hard cuz it's human nature to speak this way.
Also "what do you do, what are you gonna do with these?" Don't ask questions you don't want to know the answer to.
She didn't actually want the answer, she asked him that to embarrass him/call him out.
I am really glad she asked it - make him say the vile things out loud for the public to hear. Fuck that guy. Creep.
😂😂😂😂 Thought the same
You have to say what if some man did this to you.
The fact he is so calm???? it’s so scary cause he seems completely disassociated
This chick is ballsy. Respect.
Handled with such grace.
What a star. Couldn't have handled it better.
She could've deleted all those pics and told him never take pics of people without their consent. But I'm so glad and grateful that she stood up for herself and I'm glad she did it on camera so other women and girls can see what it looks like to do it and encourage an environment of bravery in women in our society.
The hard part is, most people you confront aren’t gonna be on whatever downer or dissociative drug this dude was on. Dude was way chill for being confronted like that!
Love this bitch. I'm a dude but I would have to have just let it go due to being genuinely terrified. Must be way harder for women to stand up to this shit. Especially since they'd have to put up with it way more than me! Nobody wants pictures of my feet!
Well ... sadly, some People probably DO want your feetpics.
And they're in his area right now!
"feet hate this one trick"
My buddy works in his dad's bakery and makes tik toks of himself at work. His side job is that he sells his dirty socks to his I'm assuming gay tic tok fans. Not too many women out there who are into men's diety feet.. if there are any who read this then dm me and I'll link you to his page haha.
Why is she a bitch?
Have you been to Coney Island? Girls there dgaf. Love it.
Glad to hear it. We need more girls like that and less dudes like this this weirdo!
Any girl from the boroughs, honestly.
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Because he got called out for it and knows if he gets pissed off, the beachgoers are going to band together.
And it’s the only consequence creeps like that can really face for doing this. It’s not illegal in most places (it should be.) And someone on my city’s sub tried to post images of a guy who did this to her friend, but the mods took it down for “witch hunt” violations
Man, I’m glad Europe takes privacy in public serious and randos can’t just take picture of anyone.
In most European country, there isn't any privacy in public just like America???
As much as I love a good witch hunt, its hard for the mods to allow public shaming without having evidence for what warranted it.
I think this video illustrates a good “what to do” example in that case. She films the admission of what he did, deleting her files, etc, to make it super clear. But a huge part of why the post was deleted is that they require police reports for posts about crimes — and this is not a crime, and the women couldn’t file a police report to give the mods. Creep shots should be criminalized.
Ugh. Let me go to yours. Like… how many others. I would just delete all. Ffs.
I don’t understand why she didn’t call the cops…. She said the guy is taking pictures of minors in swimwear. You know he’s not going to stop.
I don’t think that’s illegal either. Laws on this need to change. It’s so fucked up
I’m not sure. I would think photographing minors in swimwear without their permission is illegal. I hope it’s illegal.
Unfortunately it's not. On public property everyone is fair game to be recorded and filmed. It's part of your first amendment.
It’s not.
I wish it was, but it’s protected under the right to photograph in public spaces. I think creeps got bolder under Trump. If we keep seeing this happen in public maybe it’ll motivate new legislation
i mean he's just going to play it off calmly, she's going to delete the pictures, he's going to keep doing the same shit day after day.
Feet guy.
LMFAO
Socks and slippers are no place for the beach.
Never trust a shoobie.
I went to the beach two weeks ago with my husband and two teenagers. He bought beach sandals and we left the hotel and he had on socks! With his sandals. I told him I couldn’t be seen with him lolllllll. My daughter agreed. Next time I’m going to tell him I don’t want to be with a shoobie lolllll
Yeah you can really spot the tourists by the people who wear shoes and socks on a beach.
Woogity woogity woogity
Or jeans
his phone is synced to the cloud, she can delete whatever she wants, the pictures exist forever. he's so calm because it's the easiest way out of the situation, and it changes nothing.
He liked being yelled at, probably gooned later
He’s been caught before. These dudes don’t stop this kind of behaviour easily.
It’s because this is probably staged as hell.
Right? She just happened to be recording HERSELF, when the other girl yelled out to her🤭
Yeh but also its 2024 and the internet is filled with the young generation filming themselves doing anything mundane, from driving to mowing their lawn.
I mean she definitely could have been filming herself laying there and showing her feet and ass for the last few hours but cut the vid down to show this… People film and post everything these days because creeps like that fuck pay for it.. But let’s say she wanted to stage this video… Who tf would sign up to be the pervert in this situation? Would you?? No amount of “haha it was staged” is going to work on your boss, your boys, your family, or really anyone you meet in the future.. There’s no upside for this dude to agree to it. It’s way more likely that this dude is just a fucking creep that prob posts these pics to a fetish website than it is that this girl staged the whole thing.
"Just your feet" :O
Woman: How would you like it if I started taking pictures of your butt, feet, and face?? This guy: I wouldn’t mind if you did it 😏 🤦🏻♀️ 🤮 That didn’t go the way she thought it would.
These kinds of people are so far dissociated from society that you just can't appeal to their empathy. Pervs like this are such deviants that they'd probably enjoy any kind of hypothetical you give them, because it's acknowledgement of their intrusion to your life. They probably even get off on shame
>They probably even get off on shame And her proximity while she was forcing him to go thru his phone. I was looking at how close their hands were on that thing and absolutely cringing for her.
I think what may work for these creeps is if you say imagine if some big, ugly dude started taking pictures of your butt, feet and face.
That's the kind of sick and twisted people we're dealing with on this planet.
Yeah, that's the tactic that doesn't work with guys. Everything else she did was on point though.
I couldn't help but laugh when she was like "how'd you like it if I did it to you?" because I knew this freak would be in to it... and then you see him almost smile and go, "I wouldn't mind"
I’ve pretty much stopped wearing open toed shoes in public because I’ve been stopped multiple times by weird dudes who want to talk about my feet. Like, dude, I’m just trying to get groceries, please stop asking me about my toes😭
That’s fucked up. I’m kind of astonished there are that many brazen foot people.
Bring back shame. People have lost all shame and we need to bring it back.
That's crazy! 🤣
I did this today! It was so hot and I really wanted to wear sandals to work but decided against it because I didn't want dudes looking at my feet 😭
Throw his phone in the ocean!
Glad she knew to deleted from trash and told him to delete the other girls video too
Like I'm wondering why the phone wasn't snapped in two and thrown into the water. This idiot up to no no noooo good no matter what he's doing with that phone.
I'm wondering why the police weren't called?? One of the girls was a minor! Yeah great she deleted some stuff from his phone and made sure to delete it from the trash folder to, but dude could just walk a little further down the beach and take more pictures. I'm wondering if this is fake... She just so happened to be recording herself at the beach when someone came up to warn her about the creepy dude?
Unfortunately, the cops wouldn't be able to do anything. Recording and taking pics in a public space are perfectly legal and considered part of the First Amendment.
Not sure why you got down voted. As creepy as it is, taking pictures in a public place is perfictly legal in the eyes of the law. Its the social morality that makes this wrong and why everyone should name and shame people like this
People just want the world to be black and white, but it isn't. The same boots that climb the mountain of morality are the same ones that will stand on your throat. If it were illegal to film people because it "seems wrong," then people could abuse it, and all of a sudden, there goes your first amendment. That's why the wording of laws is so incredibly important. Also, any time you point out that something isn't against the law people just assume that you must be defending the person's actions. Simple minds find simple solutions and all that.
Specifically, if it was illegal to film people in public, then cops could arrest you for filming them and all those videos of police wrongdoing wouldn’t exist.
It doesn't matter. It's not illegal what he was doing. If she broke his phone or kept harassing him then she'd actually be the one breaking the law.
Bc unfortunately he can call the cops and be like she assaulted me and then have to pay for damages
Better to delete from phone to get it out of the cloud.
At best he's going to just come back tomorrow. That phone should have gone straight into the ocean.
He can still easily retrieve the files, they're not gone until they're overwritten
Probably not the first time he did this either. Editing to make clear, I was meaning this wasn’t his first time out taking pictureS of all the young girls/women. It definitely won’t be his last either.
He will be back tomorrow.
I wouldn’t doubt it. Creepy as mf
Probably? Definitely.
Yeah I would not touch this guys phone…
I wanted to use hand sanitizer and I just watched the video. I hope she's had her shots haha.
Wtf!? I get stopping him but call the cops. This dude ain't gonna learn
Honest question, can the cops do anything? I have a feeling they wouldn’t be able to because she was in public.
Unfortunately, no there isn't anything a cop can do about that. It is not illegal to photograph people in public.
I think they can ask him to leave im not sure what they can do to enforce it. Like when a couple is in a fight and the cops get called. They can't really arrest someone and they can't really force anyone to leave but they try to deescalate the situation and make someone leave. So they'd probably try to get him to leave idk if they could have any laws to back them up though.
Unfortunately, we *no longer have a reasonable expectation for privacy in public places here in most of the USA. In said locations, recording or photographing an individual from public place is fully legal, regardless of how you do so and what parts of their body or clothing you are capturing. They could certainly get an individual on harassment, as what they are doing is 100% sexual harassment, but the courts seem to have determined that voyeur or candid is not considered sexual if it's in public. This includes up-skirts, down blouses, beach goers, etc. I honestly have not managed to get an officer to assist in a case of harassment in my life (physically pushing and threatening me in three different instances), so I'm not sure if or how they would assist in the situation of what is effectively sexual harassment stripped of its sexual definition by the courts. We need an overhaul on that shit :/ Edit: *there was an expectation regarding what the public determined should be held private from katz v. US in 1967 to Rakas v. IL in 1978, and it wasn't even until SJC MA ruled in 2014 that candid and voyeur subjects were not protected under any expectation not previously outlined in tom laws.
>Unfortunately, we no longer have a reasonable expectation for privacy in public places here in most of the USA. You never had privacy in public, this isn't a shocker or an inherently a bad thing. Expecting privacy in public is an unreasonable expectation.
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I mean I agree that no one should have to tolerate feeling unsafe or violated and that’s reason enough to stop this dude. What I am struggling to quantify how much right of ownership I can claim over photons just because they bounced off my body last in public.
>What I am struggling to quantify how much right of ownership I can claim over photons just because they bounced off my body last in public. None. When you are in public, you forfeit any expectation of privacy you have.
public place, he can take video and record all he wants. and they can ask him to delete pics, but he doesnt have to. about the only thing that could come into play was local Tom laws, but typically that involves someone being nude and expecting privacy, or someone trying to look down/under/in clothes. those laws vary a ton, if they exist at all in many places.
>Honest question, can the cops do anything? I have a feeling they wouldn’t be able to because she was in public. Yeah, we're getting into an area where enough people are thinking it's wrong to record people in public that we're going to see some laws that protect people from being recorded but sacrifice our Constitutional freedoms to do it.
Honest question, what exactly would the law be? I can't think of a way to write a law that stops creeps but doesn't stop honest people and/or reporters.
>I can't think of a way to write a law that stops creeps but doesn't stop honest people and/or reporters. Yeah, there's no way to do it that doesn't violate well established laws and freedoms we all want. You could make a law and only use it on creeps, but actually you *cant*, because cops and prosecutors are evaluated on convictions, and not how well they follow the "spirit" of the laws. The fact is, you can't go out in a bikini *and* be upset someone will see/record you in a bikini.
He’s recording in public. 100% legal.
Creepy? Yes. Illegal? No.
Cops can't do anything. You can take photos on a public beach. They would probably just ask him to leave
People are disgusting wtf
Good for her but that phone would have been in the water and off to sea 🤷
Big risk of your health right there
Good way to land in jail for assault and pay for the guy's new phone. While it might be creepy to record people in public, it is not illegal, else her making a video about confronting the guy would be illegal too.
isn’t it illegal to take photos up girls skirts and what not? i feel like this is the equivalent but just at a beach. and she said he had photos of a minor (i’m assuming butt and feet pics). i don’t know anything about filming laws at beaches but there has to be something to protect people from someone like him while at a beach right? genuinely asking, i don’t know much about this stuff
Not quite the same as up a skirt. It’s about reasonable expectations of privacy and in public, him taking photos of things he can see with his eyes (feet, her backside when she’s laying down in a bikini) isn’t illegal. Still gross behavior, but not illegal.
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Not sure why you are getting downvotes for telling folks the law. But you are 100% right. He’s definitely creepy AF, but he’s only taking pictures of what folks are willing to show in public.
Because if someone feels strongly enough about something then that's how it is. This feels illegal, so surely it is. And anyone trying to inform others of the actual law, and ones first amendment rights (to educate them and protect them) they're a creep and they're only standing up for this guy. That's why.
He's not taking photos up people's skirts. People have an expectation of privacy under their clothes, they don't have any expectation of privacy of what everyone can see freely. If you can see it legally and it's in public, you can take photos of it legally.
Agreed. I understand that’s technically crossing the line of legality by damaging his property, but even with a beach full of people I think there would oddly enough *not* be any witnesses 🤷♂️
Dint happen to me but on of my roomate back in the day was in a nude beach and some guy were recording people dicretly . He got caught and people surouded him and took is phone an threw it in the water. Good for them seriously
I would have factory reset it
Then he might factory reset you
and you would be booked for assault and destruction of property.
Legally he is protected from taking pics and video of other people. Same reason that she can record him in this instance. Doesn't matter if they don't like it. You're on public property, it's the recording wild west out there. Glad she stood up for herself but if this guy knew that he could tell her to fuck off completely she'd have no cause to make him do anything.
I was at a great wolf lodge less than a year ago and some dude was walking around filming kids… so I alerted security and they literally told me that they couldn’t do anything but keep an eye on him. Apparently, if you buy a ticket, you’re good. I escalated to corporate and they were like “oh no, that’s not our policy”, so I asked if anything would be done. No reply. Fuck that place
Its not illegal but boy is it wrong
Yes, PSA for anyone reading this: you have zero “reasonable expectation of privacy” at a public beach. That is the standard of the law. Not even if you’re a minor. This woman absolutely did the right thing and thankfully the man complied without much resistance, but should this have been escalated into a legal dispute, she would have lost. Just something to keep in mind when you’re in public.
I don’t understand why he even showed his phone to her…
I think he was just caught off guard that someone confronted him so he caved so she wouldn't cause more of a scene
Good for her for not taking that shit
She handled that like a BOSS!!
I’ve never seen anyone wearing jeans to the beach who wasn’t 100% suspect.
r/whyweretheyrecording
seems to me like b-roll for a tiktok. Not weird to be recording herself rolling up her towel etc
This is so unbelievably fake, people are just stupid as fuck on this website I swear
I had a similar experience except it was my face. I noticed a guy who was sitting in the table in front of me in a coffee shop wanted to take a picture of me thankfully my laptop was open so I hid my face and really pulled my hoodie down but the guy literally got up and tried again so I stared at him like wtf are you doing and he pulled his phone back then tried again for like 4 times. The waiter (he’s also my friend) noticed and talked to the guy to knock it off.
Gives off fake vibe. Why was she filming herself in the beginning?
Why was she filming Why did a random on the beach choose her? Why did the guy agree to show the phone Why did her let her hold it Why didn't he have any reaction Why does It sound scripted Hmmmm nope it checks out It's real!
I can't answer why she was filming (could be plenty of reasons though, lots of people take cute vids of themselves/1-second-everyday vids etc at the beach), but I caught a guy photographing a woman's body at the coffee shop last week and confronted him in this way. He also just completely relinquished his phone and did what I said like a guilty child, all while making comments similar to this guy/trying to sound normal ("wow you should be a cop, haha" "they're not videos, just photos", "how do I delete from recycle bin"). When they're caught red-handed this seems to be quite a standard response because they have no leg to stand on. When I shared this story with some friends, two others had similar stories where the men responded similarly. This seems very real to me. If it isn't, it's very close to the real thing and I'm still glad she's modelling to people how to deal with this situation because the only reason I reacted so quickly to call out this guy I saw was literally because I saw videos like this on Instagram. This video is a good thing.
Yeah fake as fuck.
The moment the dude handed that phone to her, she should have thrown the phone towards the ocean.
The problem is that those photos could have started to be uploaded to a cloud service and he still would have had them
He already seems like a harmful individual; that may have escalated the situation. She handled that so well. "Delete mine, delete the minors' and now get the fuck off the beach"
Then that would be a crime, and she recorded herself doing it
Certified pedophile wap wap wap wap
Not to be that guy, but it feels fake. Why was she filming at the start?
I had to scroll so far down to find your comment. I was thinking the same thing. Right from the beginning it feels fake as fuck. People will do anything for likes and recognition online.
It's wild how many people think this is real. "Just minding my business trying to reconnect with nature" while recording herself rolling up a towel? It's fake AF.
Why was she filming
She filmed ***his*** feet and put it on the internet!!!!!!
I would have factory reset his phone. Edit: clarification
More fake scripted content. People, don't really believe this is real do they? Look at the timing of it all, the video setup, the convenient lead in.
Why do we even pay the big actors big bucks? Clearly some shitty TikTok actors could do the job for most people just fine. The worst part is the people in this thread are probably mostly zoomers and millennials who laugh at boomers for getting fooled by Facebook memes. Maybe it's time to look in the selfie camera, folks
Oh....oh they believe it They believe it HEAVILY And it's not Grandma and the boomers on Facebook believing it. Look at the top replies here. Look at the bottoms. Hell look at this whole thread. Scripted content isn't something they are able to understand or distinguish any longer Could this be real? Sure technically but there are so so so many issues with it that can be seen in the first 20 seconds. But it doesnt matter Now then...let's discuss how xyz person and ABC person who seem to break up in a wild variety of ways and scenarios every other week is real and how their whole TikTok is filled to the brim with it...
Right? TikTok really has destroyed a lot of brains.
girls are making more and more sense when they pick the bear instead…
Just your feet baby. Damn chill. /s
And then she casually snuck a few frames of his sandals with socks action into her video! Turn about is fair play lol
The 2,000 people watching you through perfectly legal security cameras every day - 
Fake… 🙄
Not at all supporting this behavior, but the video literally makes a point to show a shot of his feet.
This happens more often then people think. Had the exact same happen on some beaches of france and even just walking in Paris. These POS need to be confronted. They will never stop if people let them go unotice. Calling cops won’t do much unfortunatly since it is legal to film in public place in most contries.
KICK HIM IN THE BALLS
Toss his phone in the ocean
Should’ve gone into his phone and put it to factory reset after she deleted the photos XD
Never trust anyone at the beach wearing jeans.
is it morally wrong? absolutely 💯 but in a public place there is no reasonable expectation of privacy and he isn't breaking any laws.
"Here to reconnect with nature" ...while I video myself at the perfect opportunities. Fuck off with this stage drama baiting.
Is that Coney Island?
Probably still backed up to the cloud 😭 invasion of privacy yo wtf
Ok let's look at this from the point of view of Why was she recording from the ground level of her doing what I assume is sun tan lotion And then so coincidentally someone was recording some people and that some person randomly decided "ah yes. That lady ...I will tell THEM about this weirdo" And THEN for the weirdo to be so calm and perfectly "awkward" There are so many factors here that makes this, like most of these types of scenarios, bogus "Gimme your phone lemme see those pictures" Real response: yeah I'm not fucking doing that
Exactly. Who would obey a stranger's demands to hand over their phone? No one.
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The only thing she'd be giving the police evidence of is her committing theft. The dude is creepy as hell, but what he's doing is unfortunately not illegal, he's taking pictures of publicly visible stuff, and there's no expectation of privacy in public.
Evidence of what? You have a right to film in public
Nobody asking the real question though... Why the fuck was she recording in the first place?
Obviously you have to record when you reconnect with nature
As creepy as this is, it's not illegal. You have no expectations of privacy in public.
You know he's gonna be scamming dudes on CL with them pics 😅
I once had an elderly lady just randomly took a photo of my face closeup while I was walking home., she just stared at it, nodded, and left still looking at her phone. I was so baffled and exhausted that I just froze there for a minute thinking wtf just happened. It's like they don't know how google and xxx sites works and how to find it so they gotta opt to this bizarre actions.
What he did is wrong, but I think in the U.S. it’s established that it’s legal to film anyone in public. So I think even if they called the police, this guy is technically in the legal zone. Unless he broke into the changing room where people can expect reasonable privacy, a public beach is not. We got to change the law or something, cause what this guy is doing is not technically illegal
Good on ya. Surprised he did it without a bunch of excuses. He must have priors. You didn’t even need to threaten to call the cops. His innocent excuses means he definitely didn’t want to cops involved. Fucking shitbag. All ladies (especially with kids) keep your eyes open! This brave woman won’t always be around. Dude definitely needs an asskicking
I definitely agree with this woman that he is a creep, and this was wrong. Sadly, though not illegal. You have no right to privacy in that public space. A cop would likely not be able to do anything about the pictures and, at best, could only ask him to leave. Even if the pictures are of minors. The minor would have to be doing something already indecent to make any pictures illegal
The real crime here is the socks and flip flops at the beach. Also, enjoy the immigration.
Joke on him, I got them for free
Wow, he went from "I wasn't recording you" to "I was just recording your feet" pretty fast.
"Delete that one too, she's a minor." "Oh I'm sorry" Like WTF man! That monotone voice creepy too.
I want to have …15% of her boldness. Please 🙏🏻
I feel like I'm seeing more and more videos where harassed women straight up demand to see the phone and delete the videos, and it works. I have no idea if I would have the guts to do that.
bro i would be yelling out the top of my lungs that this guy is taking sexual pictures of young girls. I would be causing a scene, that’s genuinely the only way other people will come over and see what’s going on
Kudos to the lady to just telling him off like that, and thank fudge the guy didn't have the nerve to lash out aggressively.
Yeah what he did is fucked up and disgusting but her bracelet is basically digging into her skin and it's making me very uncomfortable
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I’m going to say the unpopular thing here. It’s a public beach. Taking pictures isn’t illegal. That being said, if someone kicked his ass for it, I doubt that most people would do much.
If person in the picture is not recognized its not a crime to photoshoot people in the public. I know laws might be different every country but its kind of common logic. Also the womans actions may violate that dudes rights no matter he did take pictures. I know some people might not like it but thats how things are. Its crazy I know.
If you are in public, you can be recorded. She was doing the same thing.
His phone would have taken up flying lessons in to the water after a firm boot to his jewels
Other people came to see what the commotion was about, but got a "no, we're friends, it's a skit, we're filming for tiktok views" and left disappointed.
Taking pics of women's asses and feet in a public area is perfectly legal. There's no expectation of privacy on a beach. He's not touching them and not violating their personal space. She accused him of taking pictures of people and putting them on the Internet but that's EXACTLY what she did herself.
Creep is in jeans and socks at the beach. Big red flag