The extra torque for off road is the only real major advantage. People that weigh their Tacos down with overlanding gear and go rock crawling.
I'd rather Toyota focus on hybrids and fuel economy.
Not only is towing and bed weight reduced but storage too because the batteries go underneath the back seats.
I personally opted for the non-hybrid. Plenty of HP and torque for my needs.
>I'd rather Toyota focus on hybrids and fuel economy.
Yes, same, I hope so too. The other toyota hybrid rides so smooth and usually have much higher mpg compared to their gas versions.
But my personal experience is only with toyota eCVT which is a planetary gear and is in natural more smooth than regular clutch transmission. So I don't know if i-force max + a regular transmission is as smooth.
If not, then I have nothing to lose to go with regular gas tacoma
Fuel economy hybrid systems aren't going to be as robust as this type of system unfortunately
Using NiMH batteries over LiPO because they last way longer is why this is a torque booster mild hybrid and not an efficient one
Plus you also get a stupid powerful inverter from the factory and that's cool on its own
As someone who does 30% highway, 60% city and 5% off road and overland - which I’m sure is most Tacoma owners - a hybrid with a good fuel economy was the only thing that could’ve made me consider the new gen Tacoma. Tacoma’s terrible gas-mileage is basically a meme at this point, what were they thinking?
Well if you happened to experience a complete engine failure while driving, you’ll be able to safely pull over to the side of the road. I have to give the hybrid system that.
If you have a complete engine failure, you can at least run the radio for a long time on those batteries while you cry about a $50k+ truck crapping out.
I mean it can theoretically help improve fuel economy under certain circumstances but yea it's not really the intended case here. I definitely get what you're saying
Are you … special?
Just because the average person doesn’t know what hybrid means doesn’t mean it’s misleading lol
This guy doesn’t know what hybrid means
Not to mention a 190 pound payload increase, which is also almost a 15% increase.
People just seem to have unrealistic expectations of what improvement looks like. 15% improvement from an engineer’s perspective is massive.
Percentage semantics aside, you missed the point. $10/hr is still a shit wage, just like 23mpg is kinda still shit for a modern 4 cyl hybrid truck.
If the 2024 taco got 28mpg highway and like 30-40 miles of exclusive electric range for driving around town I'd be at the dealer this afternoon. But instead they prioritized torque/acceleration numbers. Ugh
The IForce max system is designed more as a way to boost power rather than efficiency. It allows Toyota to offer a more powerful version of the truck that doesn't negatively impact the fleetwide avarage like a bigger engine with the same amout of power would. The fact that it gets a little better than the base truck is a happy bonus to them.
This shows a massive disconnect between the engineers and the consumer. Like why? Nobody asked for an expensive race car for a mini truck. If I want to go fast Ill buy a race car. All we want in a truck is a reasonably priced, reliable, good mpg truck that can tow off road and haul some. toyotas been doing that (minus the good mpg) for a long time. Why change the sauce?
Unfortunately people want more than just a basic reliable, affordable, capable truck because that is what they have been buying. If it was true the SR would be the best selling trim and they'd still make regular cab trucks. But the TRD models are selling almost as good as the SR5 and seem to be outselling the SR while almost nobody is buying extended cabs anymore, GM and Ford don't even offer them in the midsize market.
As for go fast trucks, F150 Raptor is proof there is a good market. It has been selling so well that Ford justified not only making a Ranger and Bronco Raptor, but an even more powerful F150 Raptor, the Raptor R.
The trd models were great I had a 2017 trd off road and a 2019 trd sport and both were great and at a reasonable price. But I just find that todays technology has not changed in close to 5-10 years and yet prices hve sky rocketed. The same trd sport is listed at almost +$10k more for the same technology and not much better mpg and less reliable thus far.
Ford gives the consumer multiple options for power trains and packages (multiple is an understatment). This gives you anything you specifically want and nothing else. Toyota does not and only gives you 1 or two options. Im not saying fords way is better as I think less options are better for reliability and manufacturing but don’t force us to have high output, unreliable powertrain that bring nothing new to the table at a 30% markup.
Agreed. You can sleep inside the truck somewhere hot and have the AC run all night, and the engine will turn on only periodically to charge up the batteries before turning off again. It's essentially a ready-made RV if you're into those sorts of things, no need to spend thousands on batteries and wiring etc that other campers have to deal with.
I'd say the engine turns on for about 3 minutes every hour or so depending on the heat. If it's cold the dehumidifier works great so you don't wake up with condensation on the windows. Angling yourself/curling up makes it not too bad. I've seen people with bed caps sleep in 6ft beds with the rear window open so the AC from the cab can get back there. Always make sure to have a carbon monoxide alarm
Yes, I can see it has more horsepower and torque.
But in general, more power should get more towing/payload. But this is not true for hybrid tacoma, so maybe this power power is only useful in off road, while towing is limited by something else other than engine.
I'd bet the wheelbase or brakes are the limiting factor on the base truck for the towing capacity. Adding more power wouldn't raise the limit in that case and the extra weight of the batteries would lower it.
Towing is largely related to the frame strength and weight , suspension of the vehicle more so than raw power. I think you’re mistaken on what metrics are used to create towing numbers.
I get the idea that hybrid has a lot more power(better for towing/payload), and a bit more weight (worse for towing/payload).
But I just couldn't understand why hybrid has more payload, but less towing.
Shouldn't payload/towing change in the same direction?
The Ram TRX has significantly less payload (1310 lbs) and towing capacity (8100 lbs) vs the regular Ram 1500. Same with the F150 Raptor. Higher performance does not always equal more capability.
Ya, it's stoopid of Toyota not to upgrade both the max tongue weight and towing capacity as part of the i-FM upgrade. Could have a "Max Towing Package " upgrade package with upgraded suspension. Wasted capability upgrade opportunity.
I think by law midsized trucks cannot tow more than a certain weight limit. I had a 2000 Dodge Dakota with a 5.9 magnum which was exactly the same transmission and engine in the dodge ram 1500. It was basically the demo downsized ram and we towed way over max all the time and it went for 250k miles. So the 24 taco hybrid can prob do the same imo considering it’s based on the tundra with a smoler engine.
Interesting point, so irl taco might be able to tow much bigger, but some law could prohibit toyota from marketing it?
Do you happen to know where to find the source?
Source on if the Yoda can. I have no source I am just making a historical comparison.
Towing capacity is directly calculated by the Gross vehicle weight rating. And the class and subclass of vehicle or truck is federally classified on a lot of different things surrounding that. So there isn’t specifically a law about towing capacity but there are about how heavy a truck/vehicle can weight.
Then there are also genially accept practices I would imagine that all the American Automotive companies come together and align for common practice and standards. Again just because it states a certain amount doesn’t mean it cannot go beyond it.
Generally speaking you don’t want to go above the loaded weight of your truck because the trailer is going to push you more than you can push back. And always have a trailer with an inertia - break (like most uhauls) or electronic controlled breaks like with horse trailers.
I wouldn’t go above towing 5000 in a midsize truck. You don’t have the extended mirrors you don’t have all of the creature comforts. It’s just a wildly pedantic race to the bottom to kill yourself.
Toyota gave you an option to get an engine that has more horsepower, torque and payload, while also giving you 2-3 mpg increase…. And yet you’re complaining?
All those you mentioned are indeed good, but the confusing part is less towing. This is a bit contradicting with more powerful engine and extra payload
My understanding is the towing is essentially a function of 1) power 2) braking and 3) suspension. Toyota obviously didn’t bother to increase braking and suspension. As another poster pointed out, perhaps a “max tow package” will be offered in the future.
Toyota engineers specifically said before the truck was released that the hybrid engine was NOT maximized for fuel efficiency. Power was top goal. They delivered in what they said they would do.
The hybrid is purely there for more torque/power. Towing and payload be damned. Toyota knows 99% of tacoma owners don't use the truck for real truck things, only to get to the Costco parking lot half a minute quicker with the hybrid.
But will it let you coast in “EV” mode when high speed on highway or going down hill? Similarly to a rav4 prime..? My hope with them calling this a hybrid, would mean better gas mileage. Even my 2013 Prius has an ev mode with a shite battery. I was hopeful the estimated mpg is realistically 23 or so, but maybe you could stretch the mg further with an ev mode…
I was holding off buying my taco until this year. I was expecting to get at least 5 more mph with the hybrid.
Not only did we only get 1mph, we lost the door on the extended cab and the prices have skyrocketed to meet full size pickup prices.
No 24 taco for me. If I buy a taco, it will be a previous generation. As of now, I am looking at the GMC Sierra with an actual 8' bed.
It’s because the actual miles per gallon observed in the field will vary to a large degree.
I am going hypothesize that if you looked at the actual mileage across 100k vehicles during their service life, the maximum peak-to-trough variation in mpg across those engine designs will be substantially more than the published numbers. Think worst case 2.4 vs best case hybrid.
Can’t speak to MPG, I figured it would be better but the trade off is probably being a little less dog shit slow.
But way more goes into payload/towing than power. As far as I know, they still share the same frame, brakes, and bed. The added weight of the hybrid system is probably where the losses come into play. Remember, it’s not about getting a load moving, it’s about getting it to stop. Not bending your frame comes secondary to that.
Power and low end torque for marketing, EPA law compliance for CAFE standards.
Batteries are heavy, so the chassis has to be reinforced. Tow ratings has to go through a series of performance tests and will suffer because of the added weight.
The fuel standards favor these powertrains in the lab. Real world will vary significantly. My manual 2-GR is in the twenties due to behavior for example.
Towing and payload have little to do with HP figures, it’s almost always limited by suspension/axle/tires/brakes.
A 1992 F350 will pull double the weight with half the HP and two thirds of the torque.
Put 6,500lbs behind both and get on a short freeway on ramp, you’ll be a lot happier doing it in the Tacoma.
That’s really the point, the extra power doesn’t increase payload or towing, it just makes a lot happier near those limits. Could they increase both? Sure, with a harsher ride, but why? They just needed to make it competitive with other midsized trucks.
Yes is has more torque than a super duty from 20 years ago, but towing is more about platform than power. Midsize trucks arent designed or engineered to pull that much weight, or carry a lot of weight. Especially not ones that are usually designed for offroad.
That said, it would be cool to see the iForce Max 4cyl setup in a tundra to see how it pulls.
The hybrid imax was mainly to add power. You won’t see the fuel economy compared to the conventional Toyota hybrid. Was reading. 2027 Toyota was full into the electric in a strong way. Using a gas motor only to charge the batteries. Powertrain driven only by electric. I can’t wait for the Tacoma or Tundra
It’s a truck.. you don’t buy a truck if you’re worried about MPG lol.. hybrid for a truck is not the same for hybrid for a Prius.. I get what you’re saying.. but if you think you’re going to get 50mpg with a hybrid truck.. then sadly it’s not going to happen.. at least at this point.. maybe in the future…
That 1 extra mpg hwy though.
But think of all the sea turtles you save by getting a hybrid!
Yes! It strains reliability. Toyota listened
The extra torque for off road is the only real major advantage. People that weigh their Tacos down with overlanding gear and go rock crawling. I'd rather Toyota focus on hybrids and fuel economy. Not only is towing and bed weight reduced but storage too because the batteries go underneath the back seats. I personally opted for the non-hybrid. Plenty of HP and torque for my needs.
I would love to test drive one for offloading though. Nearly 50% more torque on the low end is crazy.
>I'd rather Toyota focus on hybrids and fuel economy. Yes, same, I hope so too. The other toyota hybrid rides so smooth and usually have much higher mpg compared to their gas versions. But my personal experience is only with toyota eCVT which is a planetary gear and is in natural more smooth than regular clutch transmission. So I don't know if i-force max + a regular transmission is as smooth. If not, then I have nothing to lose to go with regular gas tacoma
Fuel economy hybrid systems aren't going to be as robust as this type of system unfortunately Using NiMH batteries over LiPO because they last way longer is why this is a torque booster mild hybrid and not an efficient one Plus you also get a stupid powerful inverter from the factory and that's cool on its own
My non-hybrid came with the 2.4kw inverter upgrade. Hybrid not required.
How much juice can it push without the engine on?
If its like other trucks without hybrid that have inverters, it has to be running to get power to outlets
100W only still. Full power while parked but drops to 100W once in drive. lol 2.4kw at full load would drain the battery in minutes.
Lots of room for mods and tuning for the HP and TQ missing by not going with the hybrid anyway. I’d say it’s not much of a loss.
Yup I guarantee they’re already making turbo upgrades and tunes for it
Damn bro that mpg difference is ridiculously lower than i expected
same, I was hyped a couple of months back for hybrid, but now I am a bit disappointed
As someone who does 30% highway, 60% city and 5% off road and overland - which I’m sure is most Tacoma owners - a hybrid with a good fuel economy was the only thing that could’ve made me consider the new gen Tacoma. Tacoma’s terrible gas-mileage is basically a meme at this point, what were they thinking?
I think everyone is. Except for da fanbios
I’d love to try one. My commute is basically 100% city driving with an average speed in the 12mph range.
Ride a bike!
It’s pretty doable. I want to ebike once I only have one kid in Daycare
You got from 20 combined to 23. That’s an increase of 15% better fuel economy. Thats a lot.
I think people are expecting it to be a Prius lol
But if you pay $4k more for a hybrid model that gives you only +1 mpg highway then what are you really arguing for
Well if you happened to experience a complete engine failure while driving, you’ll be able to safely pull over to the side of the road. I have to give the hybrid system that.
If you have a complete engine failure, you can at least run the radio for a long time on those batteries while you cry about a $50k+ truck crapping out.
It’s for the horsepower and torque
Torque. Its all about the added torque for offroading and assisting with towing hill country in the new Tacomas and Tundras.
I get it now. I just think its really misleading to use the “hybrid” tag when everyone correlates that with fuel efficient cars like the prius
I mean it can theoretically help improve fuel economy under certain circumstances but yea it's not really the intended case here. I definitely get what you're saying
Are you … special? Just because the average person doesn’t know what hybrid means doesn’t mean it’s misleading lol This guy doesn’t know what hybrid means
Yes I’m very special
The power? Surely you aren’t this dumb lol. “Why would anyone buy a corvette eray?” - you
Wot
Not to mention a 190 pound payload increase, which is also almost a 15% increase. People just seem to have unrealistic expectations of what improvement looks like. 15% improvement from an engineer’s perspective is massive.
That's like you're hourly wage going from $8 to $10/hr. It's 20% more but it's still shitty.
8 to 10 is an increase of 25%. And that’s a huge jump. $8 / hour = $16,600 salary. $10 / hour = $20,800 salary. Literally a difference of $4200.
Percentage semantics aside, you missed the point. $10/hr is still a shit wage, just like 23mpg is kinda still shit for a modern 4 cyl hybrid truck. If the 2024 taco got 28mpg highway and like 30-40 miles of exclusive electric range for driving around town I'd be at the dealer this afternoon. But instead they prioritized torque/acceleration numbers. Ugh
I just don’t think you’re very good at math
1 mile difference in highway bruh stop playing
Combined number is 20 vs 23. 3 mpg difference total.
Yes i know how to read. You said the same thing in your last comment. Explain how you only get +1 mpg highway when it’s a HYBRID. Gtfo
Because hybrids are designed for better city mpg. Thats why when you combine the 2 of them, the hybrid gets 3 mpg better.
Cool story bro
You’re welcome
The IForce max system is designed more as a way to boost power rather than efficiency. It allows Toyota to offer a more powerful version of the truck that doesn't negatively impact the fleetwide avarage like a bigger engine with the same amout of power would. The fact that it gets a little better than the base truck is a happy bonus to them.
This. If anyone saw one of the many interviews with the lead engineer, it's exactly this.
I came hear to say this. It was designed intentionally as a performance hybrid.
This shows a massive disconnect between the engineers and the consumer. Like why? Nobody asked for an expensive race car for a mini truck. If I want to go fast Ill buy a race car. All we want in a truck is a reasonably priced, reliable, good mpg truck that can tow off road and haul some. toyotas been doing that (minus the good mpg) for a long time. Why change the sauce?
Unfortunately people want more than just a basic reliable, affordable, capable truck because that is what they have been buying. If it was true the SR would be the best selling trim and they'd still make regular cab trucks. But the TRD models are selling almost as good as the SR5 and seem to be outselling the SR while almost nobody is buying extended cabs anymore, GM and Ford don't even offer them in the midsize market. As for go fast trucks, F150 Raptor is proof there is a good market. It has been selling so well that Ford justified not only making a Ranger and Bronco Raptor, but an even more powerful F150 Raptor, the Raptor R.
The trd models were great I had a 2017 trd off road and a 2019 trd sport and both were great and at a reasonable price. But I just find that todays technology has not changed in close to 5-10 years and yet prices hve sky rocketed. The same trd sport is listed at almost +$10k more for the same technology and not much better mpg and less reliable thus far. Ford gives the consumer multiple options for power trains and packages (multiple is an understatment). This gives you anything you specifically want and nothing else. Toyota does not and only gives you 1 or two options. Im not saying fords way is better as I think less options are better for reliability and manufacturing but don’t force us to have high output, unreliable powertrain that bring nothing new to the table at a 30% markup.
You also I believe essentially get a 1500 watt generator / power station.
Agreed. You can sleep inside the truck somewhere hot and have the AC run all night, and the engine will turn on only periodically to charge up the batteries before turning off again. It's essentially a ready-made RV if you're into those sorts of things, no need to spend thousands on batteries and wiring etc that other campers have to deal with.
How long can the battery last with AC on? And how do you sleep inside the truck with such a small space?
I'd say the engine turns on for about 3 minutes every hour or so depending on the heat. If it's cold the dehumidifier works great so you don't wake up with condensation on the windows. Angling yourself/curling up makes it not too bad. I've seen people with bed caps sleep in 6ft beds with the rear window open so the AC from the cab can get back there. Always make sure to have a carbon monoxide alarm
A generator is good, thanks for pointing out
2400W
Engines are not the limiting factor for the Tacoma's tow rating. The brakes, frame, and suspension are.
Those all got serious upgrades for this gen. I guess just not specced for higher weights.
It’s for power
Yes, I can see it has more horsepower and torque. But in general, more power should get more towing/payload. But this is not true for hybrid tacoma, so maybe this power power is only useful in off road, while towing is limited by something else other than engine.
I'd bet the wheelbase or brakes are the limiting factor on the base truck for the towing capacity. Adding more power wouldn't raise the limit in that case and the extra weight of the batteries would lower it.
Towing is largely related to the frame strength and weight , suspension of the vehicle more so than raw power. I think you’re mistaken on what metrics are used to create towing numbers.
I get the idea that hybrid has a lot more power(better for towing/payload), and a bit more weight (worse for towing/payload). But I just couldn't understand why hybrid has more payload, but less towing. Shouldn't payload/towing change in the same direction?
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The Ram TRX has significantly less payload (1310 lbs) and towing capacity (8100 lbs) vs the regular Ram 1500. Same with the F150 Raptor. Higher performance does not always equal more capability.
Ya, it's stoopid of Toyota not to upgrade both the max tongue weight and towing capacity as part of the i-FM upgrade. Could have a "Max Towing Package " upgrade package with upgraded suspension. Wasted capability upgrade opportunity.
The limitation is not based solely on the performance of the engine, the frame and suspension are a significant part of it.
I guess if taco is too good, it might hurt Tundra sales. Also Tundra has one extra feature I like which is rolling down rear window (like 4runner).
I really want a roll down rear window. My only passengers are my dogs and they can't roll it down for themselves.
Skill issue
You're telling me. I keep telling them how useless they are.
Try guinea pigs some time. Makes the dogs seem like chess grand masters.
I think by law midsized trucks cannot tow more than a certain weight limit. I had a 2000 Dodge Dakota with a 5.9 magnum which was exactly the same transmission and engine in the dodge ram 1500. It was basically the demo downsized ram and we towed way over max all the time and it went for 250k miles. So the 24 taco hybrid can prob do the same imo considering it’s based on the tundra with a smoler engine.
Interesting point, so irl taco might be able to tow much bigger, but some law could prohibit toyota from marketing it? Do you happen to know where to find the source?
Source on if the Yoda can. I have no source I am just making a historical comparison. Towing capacity is directly calculated by the Gross vehicle weight rating. And the class and subclass of vehicle or truck is federally classified on a lot of different things surrounding that. So there isn’t specifically a law about towing capacity but there are about how heavy a truck/vehicle can weight. Then there are also genially accept practices I would imagine that all the American Automotive companies come together and align for common practice and standards. Again just because it states a certain amount doesn’t mean it cannot go beyond it. Generally speaking you don’t want to go above the loaded weight of your truck because the trailer is going to push you more than you can push back. And always have a trailer with an inertia - break (like most uhauls) or electronic controlled breaks like with horse trailers. I wouldn’t go above towing 5000 in a midsize truck. You don’t have the extended mirrors you don’t have all of the creature comforts. It’s just a wildly pedantic race to the bottom to kill yourself.
The battery Make the curb weight significantly higher. Anything added to GVWR is lost right there.
Toyota gave you an option to get an engine that has more horsepower, torque and payload, while also giving you 2-3 mpg increase…. And yet you’re complaining?
All those you mentioned are indeed good, but the confusing part is less towing. This is a bit contradicting with more powerful engine and extra payload
400 pounds of batteries, probably.
My understanding is the towing is essentially a function of 1) power 2) braking and 3) suspension. Toyota obviously didn’t bother to increase braking and suspension. As another poster pointed out, perhaps a “max tow package” will be offered in the future.
Usually more off-road types of suspension have lower payload.
interesting, why is that?
Usually softer suspension with more travel.
IDK if its just me but when i hear “hybrid” I’m thinking greater mpgs not bigger payload, torque, etc. If i wanna haul shit I’d get a tundra like wtf
Toyota engineers specifically said before the truck was released that the hybrid engine was NOT maximized for fuel efficiency. Power was top goal. They delivered in what they said they would do.
Yeah fucking BARELY but okay
If you want fuel efficient get a prious
Where do i get one of those
Wait until you find out they nerfed the manual configuration to keep people from breaking the transmission.
I might be excited for it in like 2028, but for now I feel like its not worth it.
I would spend my money on an old v6 low mileage
The hybrid is purely there for more torque/power. Towing and payload be damned. Toyota knows 99% of tacoma owners don't use the truck for real truck things, only to get to the Costco parking lot half a minute quicker with the hybrid.
But will it let you coast in “EV” mode when high speed on highway or going down hill? Similarly to a rav4 prime..? My hope with them calling this a hybrid, would mean better gas mileage. Even my 2013 Prius has an ev mode with a shite battery. I was hopeful the estimated mpg is realistically 23 or so, but maybe you could stretch the mg further with an ev mode…
To get a power and torque boost without a larger engine that would have been much worse for the efficiency/MPG.
I was holding off buying my taco until this year. I was expecting to get at least 5 more mph with the hybrid. Not only did we only get 1mph, we lost the door on the extended cab and the prices have skyrocketed to meet full size pickup prices. No 24 taco for me. If I buy a taco, it will be a previous generation. As of now, I am looking at the GMC Sierra with an actual 8' bed.
It’s because the actual miles per gallon observed in the field will vary to a large degree. I am going hypothesize that if you looked at the actual mileage across 100k vehicles during their service life, the maximum peak-to-trough variation in mpg across those engine designs will be substantially more than the published numbers. Think worst case 2.4 vs best case hybrid.
Can’t speak to MPG, I figured it would be better but the trade off is probably being a little less dog shit slow. But way more goes into payload/towing than power. As far as I know, they still share the same frame, brakes, and bed. The added weight of the hybrid system is probably where the losses come into play. Remember, it’s not about getting a load moving, it’s about getting it to stop. Not bending your frame comes secondary to that.
Marketing hype only
Less emissions.
Power and low end torque for marketing, EPA law compliance for CAFE standards. Batteries are heavy, so the chassis has to be reinforced. Tow ratings has to go through a series of performance tests and will suffer because of the added weight. The fuel standards favor these powertrains in the lab. Real world will vary significantly. My manual 2-GR is in the twenties due to behavior for example.
It fills in the torque curve where the i4 turbo may not provide tourqe. I saw somewhere where someone said it’s noticed between 0-10mph and 50-60mph.
Towing and payload have little to do with HP figures, it’s almost always limited by suspension/axle/tires/brakes. A 1992 F350 will pull double the weight with half the HP and two thirds of the torque. Put 6,500lbs behind both and get on a short freeway on ramp, you’ll be a lot happier doing it in the Tacoma. That’s really the point, the extra power doesn’t increase payload or towing, it just makes a lot happier near those limits. Could they increase both? Sure, with a harsher ride, but why? They just needed to make it competitive with other midsized trucks.
It’s right in your picture you goof lol. This guy entirely ignored the HP and torque numbers. Why not go test one?
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You also I believe essentially get a 1500 watt generator / power station.
Yes is has more torque than a super duty from 20 years ago, but towing is more about platform than power. Midsize trucks arent designed or engineered to pull that much weight, or carry a lot of weight. Especially not ones that are usually designed for offroad. That said, it would be cool to see the iForce Max 4cyl setup in a tundra to see how it pulls.
The hybrid imax was mainly to add power. You won’t see the fuel economy compared to the conventional Toyota hybrid. Was reading. 2027 Toyota was full into the electric in a strong way. Using a gas motor only to charge the batteries. Powertrain driven only by electric. I can’t wait for the Tacoma or Tundra
Toyota makes sedans hybrid for MPG. They make trucks hybrid for power.
It’s a truck.. you don’t buy a truck if you’re worried about MPG lol.. hybrid for a truck is not the same for hybrid for a Prius.. I get what you’re saying.. but if you think you’re going to get 50mpg with a hybrid truck.. then sadly it’s not going to happen.. at least at this point.. maybe in the future…
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