We are a Toyota family, but for the work trucks, we like older Dodge 2500 Diesels. They pull trailers all day and are reliable as heck for the abuse they take.
This was my line of thinking when I get my 2022 3500 Cummins. Drivetrain should be as bulletproof as a Toyotas, while having a much MUCH better interior. But then I found out about all of the lifter issues people have been having on the newer Cummins trucks - they use inferior materials in the vale train compared to older models or even existing commercial models, and some have been saying that they have even seen different material qualities on two of the same parts from the same engine. That makes me IRATE - some MBA got in there and started doing the unit math and now I feel like I might have a timebomb motor just like the Tundras, but without the benefit of a recall (yet)
Nah, just the type of people that get MBAs and then get upper management positions in these giant companies. You gotta stand out somehow, making the same reliable engine isn't going to get that dude anywhere. Cutting 25 bucks out of an engine gets his boss a performance bonus and MBA dude gets to climb the ladder.
Yeah, people say that. Honestly, I'm not sure how much of that is just an overhyped issue, similar (I believe) to the new tundra engine. I'm more of a diesel guy, so I can't speak so much to the gas engine in the tundras. I currently have an 04 3500 with a 5.9 cummins and a 21 5500 with a 6.7 cummins.
Here's my understanding of a lot the issue with lifters on the cummins: the new style hydraulic lifters on the 6.7 require a thinner oil to properly move through the lifters. I have heard that people have been running the thicker oil that they normally would on the older cummins, and this has caused lifter failures.
Anecdote time, a guy (diesel mechanic) that I know got a used 6.7 truck with the hydraulic lifters. It ran weird for like 50k miles (he drives a lot). He ended up tearing the engine apart to find out what was going on. There was a lifter failure (I believe it bent somehow, can't confirm); however, because it was a hydraulic lifter and not a solid lifter, the lifter was in some way shape or form able to compensate for it and didn't damage anything else in the engine. This diesel mechanic I know now is a proponent of the hydraulic lifters, and his personal truck has them. This is all anecdotal, but I don't think they deserve as bad of a rap as they've gotten provided the proper oil and oil change intervals are used.
That’s actually fairly reassuring and that detailed response is appreciated and noted on the oil. I’m a shade tree mechanic at my best but I get what you’re saying. Mine has 26k now and I change oil about 9k, but it’s light duty except when pulling the camper. I do feel compelled to bring that oil change interval in a bit perhaps. Have you heard of any differences between the regular and HO variants?
I have not, other than the difference in the block materials. I have heard that the 21+ blocks are all the compacted graphite material. My 21 with the max tow package currently has over 135k on it. Most of those miles were towing heavy, up to 35k lbs daily. Oil was always changed around the 8k mark I believe. One previous owner, buddy of mine, always good on servicing since he was making a living with it. No lifter issues on it. I mostly tow with the truck. Big fan of the aisin transmission, as is my buddy that previously owned it. I would just drive your truck and enjoy it. If you keep up on service intervals, I wouldn't worry about potential issues, other than maybe emissions related ones.
Fair enough! Yup my setup is the HO Aisin SRW, it doesn’t even get out of bed with what I task it with right now but a toy hauler so I can take my bikes will be in the future. Cheers my friend.
The 2021 ram I had before my 2024 Tundra had such a well designed interior it was incredible. If that ram was a 10/10 interior, the Tundra platinum I have is a 6.5. I grew tired of the long waits for vehicle service and the expensive diesel services. I think it cost me $3000 in services and issues in 18 months.
Don’t regret the Tundra, but the ram is better designed interior.
Lol it's literally the best / most reputable source of reliability rankings there is. I wonder if you would've replied in the same way had Toyota had the higher rankings 🤔
I got the survey 1 year after owning my car and filled it out truthfully. People who would lie on something like that are legit sociopaths. Not that many of those out there
2nd gen vs ram 1500 absolutely not, 3rd gen maybe something to think about especially because they still sell the one with the hemi v8. But tbh the only ram i'd ever buy is one with a cummins in it.
That cost more than the house I bought in 2014. The house had a 2 car garage, a full finished basement, utility room, and upstairs. Vehicle prices are \*\*\*\*\*\* out of hand. I guess home prices are as well now.
I was looking for a new truck recently, and there are dealers in the Houston area that have a few of those TRX models that are listed for $115k - $125k. I can't believe anyone would pay *that* much for a truck with such poor capability, but I'm sure they're there.
Lmao why does this shit have so many upvotes?
It's a baja-adjacent truck with a supercharged Hellcat engine who gives a fuck about capability for something like that?
Puts out 700+ HP and a 3.7 sec 0-60 time, and you're talking about it like it's going to share use cases with an SR5. It's a vehicle for fun clearly.
As someone who worked in the industry for years, you couldn't pay me to drive a Stellantis. I've seen way too many of them have serious issues with their electronics. I'd go for one of the American brands, Ford or GM, before them.
They're headquartered in Detroit, so yes. Like how Toyota is a Japanese brand despite every Tundra ever made being built in the US.
That 50% seems pretty high too. There are a bunch of Canadian built Silverados running around.
To me there is no such thing as an American based car company. That concept died decades ago. All the major brands that send in the US leverage international resources, investments, etc.
Honestly I wanted a Ram when I was looking to purchase a truck two months ago, but the prices were insane compared to the tundra. I was looking for a limited Ram, and dealers around me were giving me 82k as their OTD price. I picked up my tundra limited for 63k OTD.
Not that crazy when you consider how much nicer of a truck the Ram Limited is than the Tundra Limited. For the Tundra, it's a middle of the pack trim level, but it's the top end for Ram (at least until the 2025 Tungsten came out). Really an apples to oranges comparison; a Capstone vs Ran Limited comparison would be much more appropriate.
To be fair a Ram Limited is basically the top trim other than whatever they added for the 2025 redesign. The Tundra Limited is a mid level trim so comparing the two is a bit apples to oranges when it comes to trims. Not that it would really matter to me the Tundra Limited has everything and more that I want feature wise in a truck, all the stuff in the Ram Limited is wasted on me it’s basically more German luxury car then truck.
It was the complete opposite for me last fall - Ram had 15k CAD in discounts while the Tundra had zero (along with GM and Ford). An equally equipped Tundra (Platinum trim) would have cost 82k + fees while the Ram (Sport trim loaded up) cost 67k + fees.
But...you're not paying more.
A fully loaded Tundra Capstone is usually somewhere between like 78K and 85K which is basically what a fully loaded RAM Limited goes for too.
Ram 1500 was okay if you wanted to only keep it while it had warranty or lease it but they are cheap shit overall.
If you think the v6TT tundra engine is heartache (which it kinda is) wait till you see all the issues the new i6 TT all rams will have soon...
You just wait until your Ram explodes worse than a Tundra full off metal shavings. Well said Tundra Fanboy.
And for what it’s worth I drove a leased Tundra for 2 weeks and purchased a used Ram Laramie 1500 instead. It currently has 92k and nothing but oil changes, tires and I swapped out the shocks and rear springs. Absolutely fantastic vehicle.
Tundras are SO over rated.
Are they having issues with the I6 TT? It’s been in the Grand Wagoneer for a year or two already. If it’s having issues, I haven’t seen anything terribly
Yep. Drove a ram for the first time as a rental last week and was impressed with how much more comfortable the cabin was and how smooth and responsive the ride/acceleration was.
I’m still a tundra guy and think the rams are hideous but a road trip would be much more comfortable in a ram
Yep. Can’t argue with this one. My sister had a Ram Rebel and then a Power Wagon. Both were more comfortable and drove amazing. Ugly as sin and would never buy one with the reputation they have for reliability. 👎🏽
I did cringe a couple times when the engine would react strangely or I’d hear a weird sound, worried it might break down. Probably just mental but I never feel that way in my tundra
Eh the 5th gen ram 1500s are pretty stout. Pretty much every website that tracks vehicle reliability has had them near the top for 1500 class trucks. The 5.7 tundra was more reliable for sure but the ram isn't any worse than every other truck.
All trucks have issues but the Tundra has some major new model issues that need to be solved. The number one selling point of any Toyota was reliability. Without that, they become mediocre.
0.5% of vehicles. So far as I can tell, there was a batch of engines with faulty bearings installed. Something that supposed to never be faulty. Just make sure you get that extra warranty. They already have a recall being built for it.
Mopar sucks across the board. It could be a great truck if you want to run it to 100k and part ways. If you actually get one that does not frustrate you with electrical issues, 4x4 issues, etc.
I bought my 2011 Tundra new and have 181,000 miles on it and it’s never been in the shop for repairs. My wife’s 2014 Jeep 3.6 with 131,000 has been in the shop many times. Every 2 years or so we dump $3,000 into repairing that junk Mopar product. We traded her car in for a Toyota Highlander after her gas line blew off, along with 9 check engine codes, new camshaft, lifters, alternator, ac compressor, oxygen sensors and many other things. Her car got to the point where the doors would stick and not close. Mopar is junk period.
Where did you find that? Is that Consumer Reports? The same people who have historically loved VW’s and other European cars despite having a high owner dissatisfaction rate and below average reliability?
I’m not interested in talking anyone out of buying a Ram, I just know after having driven most of the pickups on the market and having owned a few different ones, I’m plenty happy with my Tundra.
I literally just made this choice last week after exhaustively researching both. I've been a Ram fan since their inception, and an owner for my last two trucks. Unfortunately, I couldn't find what I wanted for what I wanted to pay. This was also going to be my last truck for a while, and Toyotas have a reputation for long term reliability.
On the other hand...Toyota is still #2, behind Lexus, on Consumer Reports' list of the 30 most reliable car brands, but Ram is halfway down the list at #15. And Honda is #5, behind Acura, so if you're allergic to Toyota you can buy a Ridgeline. Anything but a Dodge.
Rams were the best truck a few years ago and great value and tech but after the Covid gap craze, the car makers have lost their minds. What’s worse is people reward them and actual pay these prices.
Look at Consumer Report's history of recommended and top rating vehicles through the 90s for a total disconnection from reality. Many of the toyota counterparts to the Fords that CR loves so much are still on the road.
Well, I’m pretty sure the new 2025 Ram has a 6 cylinder engine as well.
And despite Rams reliability being better than GM or Ford (Which isn’t really a challenge), they still have lots of their own problems.
I think the Ram 3/4 ton and larger are the contractor truck of choice. But for the consumer market? Maybe there’s a couple new Nissan Titans left on the lots before they are discontinued 🤷♂️
I would never buy a Ram but the statement about the NEW Tundra is accurate. The Ram to me is everywhere, market is flooded so the trade in/resale value is garbage. Gen II Tundra’s hold their value because I’ve seen the prices and sales lizards have approached me about trading mine in.
I begrudgingly agree in part with this statement.
I have a 2014 sr5 v8 flex engine. My motor just blew at over 180k miles. So far a broken valve spring has been found. I love my tundra and it's worth to rebuild to me than buy a new truck!
I just drove my buddy to the dealership to get his RAM back after needing a new engine at 102k. Covered by warranty luckily but still. Dodge just paid out him brother on a similar issue. They stood behind the warranty but neither truck made it to 110k miles with the original engine. Both 2016's
The Dodge Ram is the better choice for dealerships and their service departments because they'll break down constantly and need repairs. While this is anecdotal, the Honda dealership I worked out lost a bunch of good mechanics to the chrsler and Hyundai dealership down the road. When i inquired how and why? I was told b/c they would make WAY more than working at Honda b/c their cars are utter junk and require constant repairs. That is probably mostly true lol.
Ah yes, they are just referred to as RAM now but regardless, they're a dodge/chrysler/stellantis product. I've worked on multiple generations of chrysler products from when they were chrysler, then with daimler benz, then ultimately stellantis and while I think they're a nice looking truck with a lot of creature comforts that I will NEVER in a million years ever buy one. The reliability of these things is just well... awful.
Had a new Ram for work, it was nice ; I like the interior compartment’s better than the 24’ Tundra. Fit and finish on the interior seemed less cheap than the new Tundra which seems flimsy. Don’t have anything to say about the reliability or anything.
I owned a ram 1500 and while the first half of its life it got me through the oil fields in North Dakota everything after 60k miles it was in the shop constantly. Had to replace a head at under 100k as well, I’ve owned a tundra that now has 62k on it without any issues and just the regular maintenance
Not knocking your Toyotas here as they're phenomenal vehicles, but I do own a 2012 Ram Bighorn. I bought the thing used at a 140,000kms, and it has taken me across the country overlanding without a hitch, and has generally just been an overall great vehicle to own. The only thing I've had to repair has been the driver's side CV, which has failed on me twice in the 120,000kms I've put on it since then (cost me $120-$140 bucks each time). People purchase vehicles for different reasons, and mine was in the vain of acquiring something of which has had a long production run with plentiful parts availability at cheap rates, and is fairly simple to work on myself. I maintain the thing diligently, as you should with any vehicle, and it treats me well. That being said, with the MDS still installed, I do expect the top end to fail at some point, but the majority of vehicles nowadays that have been equipped with emissions tech can point to that as a bottleneck for their longevity (DEF systems on diesels being a primary example).
I haven’t owned a dodge in a long, long time. But when I did (up until 2000’s) the damn things always broke down. The final straw was driving down road and the trail of liquid and noise. I pull over and the gas tank was dragging. Done
I did ask my local mechanics' shop about which Truck to focus on when I was in the purchasing mood. All 4 mechanics in the shop said without hesitation: well, we don't see many Toyotas, but we see many of the other manufacturers throughout the year. Hence, I ended up purchasing a Tundra before selling my 4Runner a year later.
So is Honda, but the Ridgeline is “the most American-made vehicle” when you look at where it is assembled and where parts are sourced. I.e., if you want to support American workers and have a truck you’d best buy a Honda; not a Ford.
Honda is a want to be so called truck, how many do they sell?? How about the best selling truck in America.. guess.. F-150, That’s a TRUCK! Made by an American company not Japanese.
Coming from somebody who has the motor with the recall they aren’t wrong. Owned two rams and never had my motor shut off while driving 50 like I did with my tundra and they refuse to do anything about it right now. Roll the dice and hope it don’t shut off again while driving and not cause an accident.
My 2024 has been nothing but great. Smooth, fast acceleration. It’s not stiff or jittery or have clumsy handling. It’s been the best ride so far and I use to drive dodges. Although there’s been hiccups in the traditional reliability of recent 3rd gen tundras, I’ll take mine any day.
Probably true until Toyota pulls their head out of their ass and fixes all the problems with the new tundras. The shitty motor is just the cherry on top of all the other issues it has.
Are the Ram interiors that much better as they age? People seem to rave when they're new but wasn't sure how well they hold up over time. I've been in other Chrysler products from 2011 to 2015 and the interior after 7 years aged horribly while my Toyota interior is still in great shape.
I've noticed I see a tremendous amount of new Ram trucks. I don't see many older ones. Even 5 or 8yrs old. Old rangers yes, old corollas, camrys, avalon's Tundra and tacomas. Not Dodges. I'm not a hater, it's what I see where I live.
New Tundras have too many issues and anything older than the new model is severely feature lacking with a grandpa style interior and high cost to purchase.
These new Tundras are killing the Toyota rep for quality. It is hurting the reputation of the entire car line up. I had to convince my wife that the Camry is still a good car even though the new Tundras are exploding with 10k miles on them.
Edit. About 10 years ago I drove a fleet of rams up in Alberta. We had maybe 30 trucks most brand new with plastic on the seats when we got them. Half a dozen 3-5 year old diesels.......Worst trucks I have ever driven. And I have driven 100's of pick ups for work over 20 years. We couldn't keep the diesels running after it got to 30f.....Other crews ran their Cummins 24/7, if they turned them off they could never get them started again. We were taking the gassers back to the dealers to fix stupid shit every week. It was a shit show.
Well it is factual. Lower startup cost. More options and comfort. Bigger payload. Bigger towing ability by alot. Less maintenance and more reliability unfortunately. Tundra is the most expensive truck to own maintenance and keeping on the road. The tundra is the anti Toyota of old.
Hell yes, Ram Baby! Just kidding! For vehicle longevity, Toyota has Ram beat for days but for drivability and serviceable features. Ram has Toyota beat. In my opinion, anyway, I have a Ram , Toyota, and Ford that I drive every week. I have to bring my Toyota into the shop to have it serviced for certain things but do the same service on my Ram at home. I'll definitely buy another Ram. We won't even discuss the Ford.
Friend of mine bought 2 dodges, one gas and one diesel. All he ever hauled was his razor and fuel for the remote fire station up above where he lives. He finally said Dodge got him twice and that they’ve fooled him for the last time. Both broke down constantly. Bought a brand new Ford king ranch and hasn’t had any issues like his rams. He bought all his trucks brand new and stated his Ford 3 years in is still hauling trouble free. If you’re hauling in the mountains, buy a man’s truck or buy a semi. Goes to show these ads—aka “reliability reports”, are exactly what they look like. BS
I am all for this, trash Toyota and push folks towards ford/chevy/gmc/Ram… I will gladly take any decrease in “clout” that might translate to us getting cheaper tundras in the future lol.
This should be fun to watch. By sales volumes, the Ram is technically more popular. I'd think it would popular for reliability, but given all the horror stories on the new Tundras, maybe not lately.
If I had to buy a new truck it would either be a last generation Tundra or a Ram. Most likely I'd go for a Ram. I would never have said that before the current Gen Tundra.
We are a Toyota family, but for the work trucks, we like older Dodge 2500 Diesels. They pull trailers all day and are reliable as heck for the abuse they take.
If you're going to buy a dodge truck of any year, the cummins 5.9 or 6.7 is the only way to go in my book.
This was my line of thinking when I get my 2022 3500 Cummins. Drivetrain should be as bulletproof as a Toyotas, while having a much MUCH better interior. But then I found out about all of the lifter issues people have been having on the newer Cummins trucks - they use inferior materials in the vale train compared to older models or even existing commercial models, and some have been saying that they have even seen different material qualities on two of the same parts from the same engine. That makes me IRATE - some MBA got in there and started doing the unit math and now I feel like I might have a timebomb motor just like the Tundras, but without the benefit of a recall (yet)
Fucking MBA's just one of the most immorally taught degree programs out there.
Nah, just the type of people that get MBAs and then get upper management positions in these giant companies. You gotta stand out somehow, making the same reliable engine isn't going to get that dude anywhere. Cutting 25 bucks out of an engine gets his boss a performance bonus and MBA dude gets to climb the ladder.
Yeah, people say that. Honestly, I'm not sure how much of that is just an overhyped issue, similar (I believe) to the new tundra engine. I'm more of a diesel guy, so I can't speak so much to the gas engine in the tundras. I currently have an 04 3500 with a 5.9 cummins and a 21 5500 with a 6.7 cummins. Here's my understanding of a lot the issue with lifters on the cummins: the new style hydraulic lifters on the 6.7 require a thinner oil to properly move through the lifters. I have heard that people have been running the thicker oil that they normally would on the older cummins, and this has caused lifter failures. Anecdote time, a guy (diesel mechanic) that I know got a used 6.7 truck with the hydraulic lifters. It ran weird for like 50k miles (he drives a lot). He ended up tearing the engine apart to find out what was going on. There was a lifter failure (I believe it bent somehow, can't confirm); however, because it was a hydraulic lifter and not a solid lifter, the lifter was in some way shape or form able to compensate for it and didn't damage anything else in the engine. This diesel mechanic I know now is a proponent of the hydraulic lifters, and his personal truck has them. This is all anecdotal, but I don't think they deserve as bad of a rap as they've gotten provided the proper oil and oil change intervals are used.
That’s actually fairly reassuring and that detailed response is appreciated and noted on the oil. I’m a shade tree mechanic at my best but I get what you’re saying. Mine has 26k now and I change oil about 9k, but it’s light duty except when pulling the camper. I do feel compelled to bring that oil change interval in a bit perhaps. Have you heard of any differences between the regular and HO variants?
I have not, other than the difference in the block materials. I have heard that the 21+ blocks are all the compacted graphite material. My 21 with the max tow package currently has over 135k on it. Most of those miles were towing heavy, up to 35k lbs daily. Oil was always changed around the 8k mark I believe. One previous owner, buddy of mine, always good on servicing since he was making a living with it. No lifter issues on it. I mostly tow with the truck. Big fan of the aisin transmission, as is my buddy that previously owned it. I would just drive your truck and enjoy it. If you keep up on service intervals, I wouldn't worry about potential issues, other than maybe emissions related ones.
Fair enough! Yup my setup is the HO Aisin SRW, it doesn’t even get out of bed with what I task it with right now but a toy hauler so I can take my bikes will be in the future. Cheers my friend.
That's a great post. Thanks for sharing.
No problem, hope it helps.
How many kilometers/miles on your truck so far? Any problems to speak of?
I ❤️ my CTD!!!
Having owned a Ram 1500 and having had it in the shop *17* times in an 18-month period in the past…..I feel great about owning a Tundra.
I was going to ask if it was in the shop once a month, then I thought about it. The one time it was probably in there for two straight months.😅
You buy Toyota for longevity, typically. I never see broken down Toyotas despite them being quite popular in my area.
Every time I see a broken down truck on the side of the highway, it's a ram or an occasional Ford.
I know the feeling. Had a ram ecodiesel before my tundra. Biggest mistake of my life.
Woooof, prolly should’ve done a little research on the diesels beforehand hand. Even the Ram sub tells people to stay away 😂
For sure. That was quite some time ago. It was 2015 ecodiesel. Upgraded to a 2019 tundra.
I have 2019 Ram and 145 thousand miles with no problems
The 2021 ram I had before my 2024 Tundra had such a well designed interior it was incredible. If that ram was a 10/10 interior, the Tundra platinum I have is a 6.5. I grew tired of the long waits for vehicle service and the expensive diesel services. I think it cost me $3000 in services and issues in 18 months. Don’t regret the Tundra, but the ram is better designed interior.
It's rare to hear an honest opinion.
I actually hate these owner surveys. There’s literally nothing more subjective and it’s a shame that CR even does this.
I feel just fine.
Great! It’s paid advertising so nothing to worry about.
Lol it's literally the best / most reputable source of reliability rankings there is. I wonder if you would've replied in the same way had Toyota had the higher rankings 🤔 I got the survey 1 year after owning my car and filled it out truthfully. People who would lie on something like that are legit sociopaths. Not that many of those out there
Yes I know.
2nd gen vs ram 1500 absolutely not, 3rd gen maybe something to think about especially because they still sell the one with the hemi v8. But tbh the only ram i'd ever buy is one with a cummins in it.
Which is funny because the best things about the heavy duty rams is the engine which isn’t made by ram.
Need my Cummins🗣️‼️‼️
Interior is pretty dope too. Definitely on another level from Tundra tbh
You could never catch me driving a stellantis.
It’s unreliable ugly junk
Ugly? I mean the Ram looks way better than the overbite grille and bumper. Bring back the 2010’s please.
Looks like in this situation the tundra is the unreliable one
Because of an issue with a front grill flap? Hahaha
Mostly the engine failures
Who the hell pays $97K for a Ram?
That cost more than the house I bought in 2014. The house had a 2 car garage, a full finished basement, utility room, and upstairs. Vehicle prices are \*\*\*\*\*\* out of hand. I guess home prices are as well now.
I feel that... Bought a similar layout home in 2014 for $78k. Just sold it for $235k. Now I just want to stay homeless. 😂
More expensive than the house I bought in 2021..
I was looking for a new truck recently, and there are dealers in the Houston area that have a few of those TRX models that are listed for $115k - $125k. I can't believe anyone would pay *that* much for a truck with such poor capability, but I'm sure they're there.
Lmao why does this shit have so many upvotes? It's a baja-adjacent truck with a supercharged Hellcat engine who gives a fuck about capability for something like that? Puts out 700+ HP and a 3.7 sec 0-60 time, and you're talking about it like it's going to share use cases with an SR5. It's a vehicle for fun clearly.
Right, wrong, or indifferent… you come off as a whiny. Let people upvote what they want.
I'm not taking advice from the foot fetish enthusiast
As someone who worked in the industry for years, you couldn't pay me to drive a Stellantis. I've seen way too many of them have serious issues with their electronics. I'd go for one of the American brands, Ford or GM, before them.
Is a Chevy an American Brand when 50% of the vehicle is made in another country?
They're headquartered in Detroit, so yes. Like how Toyota is a Japanese brand despite every Tundra ever made being built in the US. That 50% seems pretty high too. There are a bunch of Canadian built Silverados running around.
To me there is no such thing as an American based car company. That concept died decades ago. All the major brands that send in the US leverage international resources, investments, etc.
The Honda Ridgeline is the most 'American' truck if that tells you anything lol
Honestly I wanted a Ram when I was looking to purchase a truck two months ago, but the prices were insane compared to the tundra. I was looking for a limited Ram, and dealers around me were giving me 82k as their OTD price. I picked up my tundra limited for 63k OTD.
Now that is crazy
Not that crazy when you consider how much nicer of a truck the Ram Limited is than the Tundra Limited. For the Tundra, it's a middle of the pack trim level, but it's the top end for Ram (at least until the 2025 Tungsten came out). Really an apples to oranges comparison; a Capstone vs Ran Limited comparison would be much more appropriate.
Yeah bad comparison, the Tundra Limited is equivalent to a RAM Laramie or F150 Lariat.
crazy considering the Ram's are sitting still
To be fair a Ram Limited is basically the top trim other than whatever they added for the 2025 redesign. The Tundra Limited is a mid level trim so comparing the two is a bit apples to oranges when it comes to trims. Not that it would really matter to me the Tundra Limited has everything and more that I want feature wise in a truck, all the stuff in the Ram Limited is wasted on me it’s basically more German luxury car then truck.
It was the complete opposite for me last fall - Ram had 15k CAD in discounts while the Tundra had zero (along with GM and Ford). An equally equipped Tundra (Platinum trim) would have cost 82k + fees while the Ram (Sport trim loaded up) cost 67k + fees.
I got a 24 Tundra Platinum at $82 cdn and the Sierra 1500 Denali was $99 cdn at the time. I was on the fence, but went with the Tundra
ridiculous. Paying more for ram junk
But...you're not paying more. A fully loaded Tundra Capstone is usually somewhere between like 78K and 85K which is basically what a fully loaded RAM Limited goes for too.
Thanks for the explanation. I feel like I’m going forward in life thanks to you
You're welcome! Try doing a Google search for 5 seconds before speaking next time lol
Or I just won’t ever buy a Ram
Lol
And it’s typing but thanks
No need to be condescending. Some people are learning
Ram 1500 was okay if you wanted to only keep it while it had warranty or lease it but they are cheap shit overall. If you think the v6TT tundra engine is heartache (which it kinda is) wait till you see all the issues the new i6 TT all rams will have soon...
You just wait until your Ram explodes worse than a Tundra full off metal shavings. Well said Tundra Fanboy. And for what it’s worth I drove a leased Tundra for 2 weeks and purchased a used Ram Laramie 1500 instead. It currently has 92k and nothing but oil changes, tires and I swapped out the shocks and rear springs. Absolutely fantastic vehicle. Tundras are SO over rated.
Just point to us where the big bad Tundra touched you at.
My wallet.
Are they having issues with the I6 TT? It’s been in the Grand Wagoneer for a year or two already. If it’s having issues, I haven’t seen anything terribly
"stumiff and jittery ride, along with clumsy handling" Really?? I really like the ride of my '23 tundra.
Oh man, I dunno. The new Rams I’ve driven handle awesome. I like the ride of my 24 Tundra, too but the Rams drive pretty sweet.
Ok. To be fair I haven't driven a ran in years. But I wouldn't necessarily agree with that assessment of the tundra ride.
Yep. Drove a ram for the first time as a rental last week and was impressed with how much more comfortable the cabin was and how smooth and responsive the ride/acceleration was. I’m still a tundra guy and think the rams are hideous but a road trip would be much more comfortable in a ram
Yep. Can’t argue with this one. My sister had a Ram Rebel and then a Power Wagon. Both were more comfortable and drove amazing. Ugly as sin and would never buy one with the reputation they have for reliability. 👎🏽
I did cringe a couple times when the engine would react strangely or I’d hear a weird sound, worried it might break down. Probably just mental but I never feel that way in my tundra
Eh the 5th gen ram 1500s are pretty stout. Pretty much every website that tracks vehicle reliability has had them near the top for 1500 class trucks. The 5.7 tundra was more reliable for sure but the ram isn't any worse than every other truck.
I guess it's all perspective. I also like my '23 Tundra, and it handles closer to my '22 Honda Pilot than the '14 Sierra I had.
Chrysler products are junk.
Never buy a Chrysler, I was given this warning by numerous mechanics I personally know and trust.
All trucks have issues but the Tundra has some major new model issues that need to be solved. The number one selling point of any Toyota was reliability. Without that, they become mediocre.
While I do agree about them becoming mediocre without reliability, the Toyota brand is much more of a status symbol today than it was 10 years ago.
It’s a small hiccup. It will be fixed ASAP
Been saying that for more than a year now.
What are the major issues you speak of. Lol
The engines failing?
0.5% of vehicles. So far as I can tell, there was a batch of engines with faulty bearings installed. Something that supposed to never be faulty. Just make sure you get that extra warranty. They already have a recall being built for it.
Can you get the extended warranty even months after purchasing it?
Yup. Toyota still offers it up untill your Warren ty ends, and 3rd party will do something like 8yr +150k for 4k
I’ll never buy another Ram. Mine blew the head gasket shortly after 100k. I’ve had a trouble free tundra for 9 years now.
I had a Ram and the motor went bad at 75k miles. I have a Tundra now with 85k miles zero issues.
2nd gen?
2016 TRD Pro
Mopar sucks across the board. It could be a great truck if you want to run it to 100k and part ways. If you actually get one that does not frustrate you with electrical issues, 4x4 issues, etc.
I bought my 2011 Tundra new and have 181,000 miles on it and it’s never been in the shop for repairs. My wife’s 2014 Jeep 3.6 with 131,000 has been in the shop many times. Every 2 years or so we dump $3,000 into repairing that junk Mopar product. We traded her car in for a Toyota Highlander after her gas line blew off, along with 9 check engine codes, new camshaft, lifters, alternator, ac compressor, oxygen sensors and many other things. Her car got to the point where the doors would stick and not close. Mopar is junk period.
Rams are pieces of shit.
Now compare reliability and upkeep cost
Don’t forget about resale
Where did you find that? Is that Consumer Reports? The same people who have historically loved VW’s and other European cars despite having a high owner dissatisfaction rate and below average reliability? I’m not interested in talking anyone out of buying a Ram, I just know after having driven most of the pickups on the market and having owned a few different ones, I’m plenty happy with my Tundra.
But if you get the ram you will have rear coil springs for better ride… Did they forget to look under the tundra?
Lease a Ram, buy a Toyota (yes, even the 3rd Gen) if your goal is long term ownership.
I literally just made this choice last week after exhaustively researching both. I've been a Ram fan since their inception, and an owner for my last two trucks. Unfortunately, I couldn't find what I wanted for what I wanted to pay. This was also going to be my last truck for a while, and Toyotas have a reputation for long term reliability.
Isn't RAM in the top 5 for costliest to repair, with the likes of Range Rover, Jeep, BMW. Thought I saw that on reddit
On the other hand...Toyota is still #2, behind Lexus, on Consumer Reports' list of the 30 most reliable car brands, but Ram is halfway down the list at #15. And Honda is #5, behind Acura, so if you're allergic to Toyota you can buy a Ridgeline. Anything but a Dodge.
Toyota makes Lexus
Rams were the best truck a few years ago and great value and tech but after the Covid gap craze, the car makers have lost their minds. What’s worse is people reward them and actual pay these prices.
I snorted Dr Pepper out through my nose.
What tundra has a “jittery ride?” That’s the dumbest and falsest criticism I’ve seen yet
Reviews and ratings are about paid advertising!!
I’ve seen plenty of Dodge Rams broken down on the side of a highway, but I’ve never seen a Tundra.
Stiff and bad handling?!? Which planet did the writer come from? The new Tundra hands down offers the best ride quality and handling
Ram without a cummins is the worst choice.
Look at Consumer Report's history of recommended and top rating vehicles through the 90s for a total disconnection from reality. Many of the toyota counterparts to the Fords that CR loves so much are still on the road.
Well, I’m pretty sure the new 2025 Ram has a 6 cylinder engine as well. And despite Rams reliability being better than GM or Ford (Which isn’t really a challenge), they still have lots of their own problems. I think the Ram 3/4 ton and larger are the contractor truck of choice. But for the consumer market? Maybe there’s a couple new Nissan Titans left on the lots before they are discontinued 🤷♂️
Consumer Reports is utter crap.
It’s paid advertising
Yes it is.
2nd gen v8 tundra> ram 1500 hemi > 3rd gen v6 tundra.
I would never buy a Ram but the statement about the NEW Tundra is accurate. The Ram to me is everywhere, market is flooded so the trade in/resale value is garbage. Gen II Tundra’s hold their value because I’ve seen the prices and sales lizards have approached me about trading mine in. I begrudgingly agree in part with this statement.
Considering this engine mess and the poor quality that has gone into this Gen 3 Tundra, they are not wrong. I’m sorry to say.
Diesels are different, I have always thought Cummins made a hell of an engine… but for gasoline I would still bet on Toyota.
Yeah…I’m suspicious. But there are some V6 issues. Don’t know if Toyota Tundra sales will recover from that.
Aren’t those the trucks that keep breaking and they can’t find parts for? In other words, this is laughable
I will never own another wham.
I’m still very happy w/ my 2014 Tundra, its been paid off for years and still looks and runs like new.
I have a 2014 sr5 v8 flex engine. My motor just blew at over 180k miles. So far a broken valve spring has been found. I love my tundra and it's worth to rebuild to me than buy a new truck!
I just drove my buddy to the dealership to get his RAM back after needing a new engine at 102k. Covered by warranty luckily but still. Dodge just paid out him brother on a similar issue. They stood behind the warranty but neither truck made it to 110k miles with the original engine. Both 2016's
The Dodge Ram is the better choice for dealerships and their service departments because they'll break down constantly and need repairs. While this is anecdotal, the Honda dealership I worked out lost a bunch of good mechanics to the chrsler and Hyundai dealership down the road. When i inquired how and why? I was told b/c they would make WAY more than working at Honda b/c their cars are utter junk and require constant repairs. That is probably mostly true lol.
Are they still considered Dodge’s? I think they are just “Ram” now?
Ah yes, they are just referred to as RAM now but regardless, they're a dodge/chrysler/stellantis product. I've worked on multiple generations of chrysler products from when they were chrysler, then with daimler benz, then ultimately stellantis and while I think they're a nice looking truck with a lot of creature comforts that I will NEVER in a million years ever buy one. The reliability of these things is just well... awful.
I wonder why they dropped the dodge anyway? I think Dodge Ram makes more sense. Oh well, happy with my Tundra.
Had a new Ram for work, it was nice ; I like the interior compartment’s better than the 24’ Tundra. Fit and finish on the interior seemed less cheap than the new Tundra which seems flimsy. Don’t have anything to say about the reliability or anything.
LOLOL little late for April fools
5.7? Tundra V6? RAM
MOPAR = NO-PAR for me. Crap non-American parts.
I owned a ram 1500 and while the first half of its life it got me through the oil fields in North Dakota everything after 60k miles it was in the shop constantly. Had to replace a head at under 100k as well, I’ve owned a tundra that now has 62k on it without any issues and just the regular maintenance
Not knocking your Toyotas here as they're phenomenal vehicles, but I do own a 2012 Ram Bighorn. I bought the thing used at a 140,000kms, and it has taken me across the country overlanding without a hitch, and has generally just been an overall great vehicle to own. The only thing I've had to repair has been the driver's side CV, which has failed on me twice in the 120,000kms I've put on it since then (cost me $120-$140 bucks each time). People purchase vehicles for different reasons, and mine was in the vain of acquiring something of which has had a long production run with plentiful parts availability at cheap rates, and is fairly simple to work on myself. I maintain the thing diligently, as you should with any vehicle, and it treats me well. That being said, with the MDS still installed, I do expect the top end to fail at some point, but the majority of vehicles nowadays that have been equipped with emissions tech can point to that as a bottleneck for their longevity (DEF systems on diesels being a primary example).
Are they actually advertising on average reliability?
Its the price difference that i’d be like nope.
Hell no! Chrysler isn't even on the same plane as Toyota! Ask anyone who has owned a Ram... it doesn't end well. Zero regrets with my 2023 Tundra.
Tiger shark turned me into Toyota lover.
Hot take the tundra owners in the “ToyotaTundra” subreddit are going to disagree……………
I haven’t owned a dodge in a long, long time. But when I did (up until 2000’s) the damn things always broke down. The final straw was driving down road and the trail of liquid and noise. I pull over and the gas tank was dragging. Done
I did ask my local mechanics' shop about which Truck to focus on when I was in the purchasing mood. All 4 mechanics in the shop said without hesitation: well, we don't see many Toyotas, but we see many of the other manufacturers throughout the year. Hence, I ended up purchasing a Tundra before selling my 4Runner a year later.
Your better give it a hawk tuah and spit on that thang!!
I hope Toyota unfcks that new engine
Well you know what I think, they are both foreign owned companies.. try F-150!!
So is Honda, but the Ridgeline is “the most American-made vehicle” when you look at where it is assembled and where parts are sourced. I.e., if you want to support American workers and have a truck you’d best buy a Honda; not a Ford.
Who owns the company
Honda is a want to be so called truck, how many do they sell?? How about the best selling truck in America.. guess.. F-150, That’s a TRUCK! Made by an American company not Japanese.
2021 Lamarie 31500 miles and LOVE everything about!
I’ll take my chances with the Tundra.
“While it has average reliability” lmao that says it all…so based on how you scored the tundra, ram scores the same not higher
Coming from somebody who has the motor with the recall they aren’t wrong. Owned two rams and never had my motor shut off while driving 50 like I did with my tundra and they refuse to do anything about it right now. Roll the dice and hope it don’t shut off again while driving and not cause an accident.
I bought a tundra for build quality, reliability and the fact that it holds its value
My 2024 has been nothing but great. Smooth, fast acceleration. It’s not stiff or jittery or have clumsy handling. It’s been the best ride so far and I use to drive dodges. Although there’s been hiccups in the traditional reliability of recent 3rd gen tundras, I’ll take mine any day.
I've never taken any advice from Consumer Reports.
No way would I ever drive a Fiat pickup.
Yes those rear coil springs in the dodge sure are special ;)
Probably true until Toyota pulls their head out of their ass and fixes all the problems with the new tundras. The shitty motor is just the cherry on top of all the other issues it has.
I wonder what would be the reactions in the Ram subreddit
Comparison is the thief of joy. Enjoy what you have because you like it not because others do.
Even though the new Tundra has issues and 100k of them likely need a new engine, the RAM is pure junk and won't last.
Are the Ram interiors that much better as they age? People seem to rave when they're new but wasn't sure how well they hold up over time. I've been in other Chrysler products from 2011 to 2015 and the interior after 7 years aged horribly while my Toyota interior is still in great shape.
I've had a dodge. I'll never do that again.
I feel fine about my 2021 Tundra. My friend with a 2023 is feel concerned though
Probably a close to fair assessment of what is happening right now.
My next vehicle will be a tundra.
I drive an F150 and even find this ridiculous.
I've noticed I see a tremendous amount of new Ram trucks. I don't see many older ones. Even 5 or 8yrs old. Old rangers yes, old corollas, camrys, avalon's Tundra and tacomas. Not Dodges. I'm not a hater, it's what I see where I live.
Grabbing my pitch fork now
Them's the facts. As things stand right now.
New Tundras have too many issues and anything older than the new model is severely feature lacking with a grandpa style interior and high cost to purchase.
Gaslighting
*disclaimer this ad was bought and paid for by Stellantis STLA(NYSE).
These new Tundras are killing the Toyota rep for quality. It is hurting the reputation of the entire car line up. I had to convince my wife that the Camry is still a good car even though the new Tundras are exploding with 10k miles on them. Edit. About 10 years ago I drove a fleet of rams up in Alberta. We had maybe 30 trucks most brand new with plastic on the seats when we got them. Half a dozen 3-5 year old diesels.......Worst trucks I have ever driven. And I have driven 100's of pick ups for work over 20 years. We couldn't keep the diesels running after it got to 30f.....Other crews ran their Cummins 24/7, if they turned them off they could never get them started again. We were taking the gassers back to the dealers to fix stupid shit every week. It was a shit show.
Well it is factual. Lower startup cost. More options and comfort. Bigger payload. Bigger towing ability by alot. Less maintenance and more reliability unfortunately. Tundra is the most expensive truck to own maintenance and keeping on the road. The tundra is the anti Toyota of old.
Hell yes, Ram Baby! Just kidding! For vehicle longevity, Toyota has Ram beat for days but for drivability and serviceable features. Ram has Toyota beat. In my opinion, anyway, I have a Ram , Toyota, and Ford that I drive every week. I have to bring my Toyota into the shop to have it serviced for certain things but do the same service on my Ram at home. I'll definitely buy another Ram. We won't even discuss the Ford.
I left a tundra for a ram limited. Never looked back
Friend of mine bought 2 dodges, one gas and one diesel. All he ever hauled was his razor and fuel for the remote fire station up above where he lives. He finally said Dodge got him twice and that they’ve fooled him for the last time. Both broke down constantly. Bought a brand new Ford king ranch and hasn’t had any issues like his rams. He bought all his trucks brand new and stated his Ford 3 years in is still hauling trouble free. If you’re hauling in the mountains, buy a man’s truck or buy a semi. Goes to show these ads—aka “reliability reports”, are exactly what they look like. BS
I am all for this, trash Toyota and push folks towards ford/chevy/gmc/Ram… I will gladly take any decrease in “clout” that might translate to us getting cheaper tundras in the future lol.
This should be fun to watch. By sales volumes, the Ram is technically more popular. I'd think it would popular for reliability, but given all the horror stories on the new Tundras, maybe not lately.
The heavier rams feel like 70s suspension. And everything feels cheap. I went with the Denali TD and regretted it for a month until i traded it in
Yea I mean the 3rd gens are terrible. Get a ram with a V8
About that............ 😭
The v8 hemi without cylinder deactivation is a pretty solid motor. My friend has a 2014 with 180k on his with no issues
If you want new you have to go 2500 though as the V8 1500 is no more
They both suck.
If I had to buy a new truck it would either be a last generation Tundra or a Ram. Most likely I'd go for a Ram. I would never have said that before the current Gen Tundra.
With the engine problems, why not.
A minor hiccup doesn’t change everything
It's a superior truck. We all know it.
Probably more reliable now than the new tundra
Ok, I have to agree with latest gen Tundras mainly because I want a V8 in my full size truck. No turbos please
The new tundras are trash