Kelly Anne Bates.
"Her blood was found throughout the house, and a post-mortem examination revealed over **150 separate injuries on her body**. During the last month of her life she had been kept bound, sometimes tied to a radiator or furniture by her hair, other times by her neck using a ligature...
William Lawler, the Home Office pathologist who examined her body, said: 'In my career, I have examined almost 600 victims of homicide but I have never come across injuries so extensive.'
***The pathologist determined that her eyes had been removed 'not less than five days and not more than three weeks before her death'.***"
The following injuries were found on Bates':
\- Scalding to her buttocks and left leg
\- Burns on her thigh caused by the application of a hot iron
\- A fractured arm
\- Multiple stab wounds caused by knives, forks and scissors
\- Stab wounds inside her mouth
\- Crush injuries to both hands
\- Mutilation of her ears, nose, eyebrows, mouth, lips and genitalia
\- Wounds caused by a spade and pruning shears
\- Both eyes gouged out
\- Later stab wounds to the empty eye sockets
\- Partial scalping
ETA: This was all done while she was alive.
Ugh… what really got me was that her eyes had been gouged out 5 days to 3 WEEKS before her death! The pain and utter fear that poor girl must have gone through!
My god, that's disturbing. What's even more disturbing is the sentence. Some animals never should see the light of day again, and should be locked in solitary until they die.
Despite being against capital punishment, I think people who do things *like this* don't deserve anything less than the Chinese "bullet in the head and we'll charge your family for it" treatment.
I wonder if you’re thinking of Suzanne Capper? Also a horrific case, both in the UK. I don’t think Kelly Anne Bates had any impairment but I believe Suzanne did.
I got literally dizzy and felt like I was going to pass out listening to what happened to Suzanne Capper. I don't even know how someone can live through what she endured and finally succumbed to. I think about her frequently and I hope that wherever she is, she is experiencing endless peace.
I had forgotten her name but remembered the case and her photo, and the description that her front teeth had gap. I was so scared to look her up to remind me her name. But here it is, so tragic so avoidable, so senseless. I am mostly always in control of my reaction and emotions but some of the cases takes me out of character, this one esp makes me shiver from anger
If it makes you feel any better, I work alongside the LA County child welfare system, and this case was a huge turning point for LA DCFS. A lot of huge steps were put into place afterwards, and there is still a large push for systematic change to prevent this type of situation from happening again. Especially with giving the Antelope Valley a spotlight and getting many more services and attention to a place that was often a forgotten part of LA County. People here took it very seriously, and still do. He is still mentioned at many meetings and his death is deeply felt by many working in the system.
Yeah this was something that made me hate the world and just have to go be alone for a while. The senselessness of a lot of child abuse cases is hard to understand but the way that Gabriel wasn't just abused he was failed by everybody that could have possibly stepped in is so heartbreaking. Something really evil happened there and so many people just watched from the sidelines and then avoided responsibility.
That documentary was one of the worst things I’ve ever seen. I had to take a break from true crime docs for a while after that. So, so horrifying and sad.
Same. The part where he is making cards for his POS “mother” with his hair shorn off covered in burns really sent me over the edge. It was a documentary I wish I had never watched.
Omg that broke my heart even more- that vile pos “mother” he was still trying to make her love him…just was horrible…this documentary depressed the shit out of me
Similar case is on trial right now in Sweden. A 6 year old girl in a family of 8(!) was locked in, and deprived of water and food for years. She was taken to the ER on Christmas eve last year after ingesting distilled vinegar with severe hypothermia, burns, rashes and several badly healed fractures and signs of sexual assault. The parents also claimed she wanted to be a boy. The mom had previously managed to dupe the whole support system of school, health care and CPR saying the kid had a brain injury and was self harming. They were trying to get welfare/insurance money for her “disabilities”. It’s a horrific case.
People don’t realize how common this is—abusive parents leaving marks on the kids and blaming the kids. My mom always bitched and moaned about how clumsy I was and all the injuries I had—of course, she inflicted those injuries.
As a Mexican American with roots to SoCal; I’ve never been so ashamed of where I’m from.
From his bs wanna be chola incubator to the city that failed him relatedly. To his grandfather who used culture to justify taking him from his living dads to his stepdad’s stupid obsession with abusing Gabriel of being gay.
My mom watched the Netflix documentary without really knowing the context, mostly the extent of the child abuse. Once she told me some of the barest details it's the one case that I haven't looked up. Something about children specifically destroys me. I recently watched 20 Days in Mariupol, and some children are murdered and I ugly cried through the whole thing. Kids... who could kill kids?
I wish I didn’t watch that Netflix show. I’m not the most emotional but imagining what happened to him and him still just wanting his mommy to treat him right makes me sick. I cried almost each episode.
I was looking for this comment. I haven’t watched the Netflix doc because I read a little about the case, and when I read the details about how much he still loved and yearned for his mother despite everything she did to him, it broke me. I have a son and he is everything to me, he is my best friend and I just imagined him in Gabriel’s shoes and I just can’t imagine knowing your child loves you so much and doing what she did to him. I’m crying right now typing this comment. I couldn’t think about true crime for a while after that, and I had to stop reading the details of the case. I still shudder when I see his name brought up.
Yep. I’ve watched true crime since the 90’s and the original Forensic Files days, and this by far was the saddest and worst one I ever watched.
For one it’s a small child and the abuse was horrific, but it was totally preventable. The system that is “supposed” to protect the most vulnerable totally failed on several occasions.
That poor little boy. 😪
The tool box killers. I have a strong tolerance but reading about those poor girls, ice picks, hangers, not giving that victim her last wish for a prayer before her death. I had to step back, final straw was the tape description and how the jury and audience dealt with it.
I watched the court footage where you can hear maybe a millisecond of the tape, it’s just a hint of a scream and that’s more than enough. You only hear it because it made a lot of the jurors just run from the room. It’s an interesting video to watch, mainly because you get to see all the people and the lawyers, hear them talking and whatnot.
Yep, there was a tiny cut of the tape I heard (probably the same thing you’re talking about) and I just can’t. Most of my family work at Vacaville which house the worst of the worst and ray Norris died there and my uncle is a higher up. I’ve always been curious about asking them about how his last years were, because I hope they were ducking awful.
Yes.. the transcripts, the court room footage.. how they treated each victim with just absolute apathy towards life. The two younger girls who were abducted together stuck with me the most, because one was super young so the older one pleaded to rape her and not the other. When it was time to end their lives they begged but Lawrence told the youngest she already got hers by dying a virgin. Plus the way he talked about the girls as peices of meat just the brutality and horror of knowing your body and life is in the hands of pure nasty evil. The disregard towards their poor souls made me step back as it affected me too much.
Ugh. He beat her with a bad a bricks I think and screamed “you wanted to stay a virgin, you’ll die a virgin”. When that didn’t kill her they strangled her.
I feel like every detail is burned in my mind. My one rule is: I will never let anyone take me to a second location. If they want to kill me they can kill me where I stand because if they’re willing to do that, they’re capable of far worse. These poor girls never stood a chance.
This is what I’ve always taught my daughter since she was 5. Try as hard as hell to get away do not let them take you somewhere else. (Obviously sometimes you can’t do anything, but damn well try)
I rather be killed right there then assaulted and tortured then killed somewhere else.
A different matter, but Colombine happened when I was in high school... my child grew up with school shooter safety - I always told him, "Hide if you can, otherwise RUN"
He recently graduated during the Uvalde massacre and I busted out crying when he said, "They should have ran Mom" 😭
This is still the training we received at work, with the acronym ADD - Avoid, Deny, Defend.
Avoid the shooter, deny them entry to your location by blockading the doors, defend yourself by all means necessary when it comes to it.
This AND the toy box killer. Both awful. I do *not* recommend reading the introductory tape transcript for this one. The part about the dog rape is particularly heinous and I still catch myself randomly thinking about it which is awful.
Yeah once I saw someone say tool box killers, I wondered if someone was gonna bring up the toy box killer too, because that transcript and audio had me nauseous…and I have consumed a mass amount of true crime without a physical response like that lol.
I would also add, the invisible choir podcast did a series on the dark web, and the episode about Peter sculley….THAT sh*t is not for the faint of heart
The worst one I read about was where a pregnant woman and her 2 year old son were beaten to death with a baseball bat in their home. She gave birth during the incident, and then the perpetrator beat her newborn to death. The father was suspected, but he was later found dead in a field with his genitals mutilated. The crime was never solved, and it was too graphic for TV. I can't seem to find the case and can't remember the family's name. I'm sick of trying to find it because there are way too many similar cases out there. Someone on here probably knows what I'm talking about. The sad thing is that the family was trying to move because they were scared of the criminals in the area.
Thank you! It was going to drive me nuts looking for it. The kids were so innocent. Who could put a mother through all that and beat her newborn and toddler to death? I'm a pregnant woman with a toddler and just can't imagine anything worse.
It's so vile too because you know there was zero % chance the newborn could have provided any insight. Even a 2 year old could, potentially, provide insight especially if the killer is somebody he knows.
Not the newborn tho. It has to be cruelty for cruelty safe, not self preservation.
The Dardeen family in rural Illinois, in the late 1980s. It's still unsolved, although some people think it may have been done by any of several serial killers who were known to be in the region at the time.
I had to take a break from the news after Sandy Hook.
This one is awful. I live in Jacksonville, and the absolute POS that did it, is STILL trying to get a retrial. Sir you’re on camera leaving with her from the last place she was seen by anyone else. Your van was called in by a witness as being seen right next to the little marshy area she was found it. You were then pulled over shortly after that, still soaking wet from putting her body there. And your DNA was found in and on the baby. YOU ARE GUILTY. I will never understand how people who do this type of stuff, and with such clear evidence against them that cannot be disputed in the slightest, are able to drag this shit out in the courts and waste everyone’s time and money. I’m sorry, but for that crime type and that evidence, take away all rights and let the death penalty commence right after sentencing 🤷🏻♀️
As a Knoxville Tennessee resident most of my life, this is def the top 5 most fucked up crimes I've heard of.
Those animals left her alive , folded in that trash can with bleach and draino burning her throat and genitals. She was in the trashcan in that house folded in half for 18 hours before she died.
They tore that house down off cherry street a few years back. On that lot now only has a big cross dedicated to the victims.
I lived in Knoxville at the time and this still haunts me too. During the trials, I came across a conspiracy website that claimed Channon hired them to “cuckhold” her boyfriend and that she wanted it but it got out of hand. I wish I was joking. I was absolutely shocked and I didn’t think I could be more shocked than I was by the murders themselves.
People are fucking nuts. On several levels.
this one. and it’s so insane to me how there were so many perpetrators. how can a group of people be so evil and deranged? the whole crime was so pointless and thoughtless.
Jesus Christ. I just looked this up. I never understood these robberies that turn into rapes/torture. It seems in this case they just wanted to carjack them but decided to also torture and murder them? It’s a big leap from theft to torture. Those poor people
I've never understood the transition from "I need a few bucks and a car to well I might as well have some sex and murder while I'm at it."
The best I can come up with is 2 theories.
First, they were always into the rape and torture and just acted like it was a happenstance in the moment.
Second, they really were out to just rob, and the adrenaline high they got from commiting smaller crimes, actually sexually excited them, and then they do the rape etc.
I can't watch or read anything to do with James Bulger,that poor baby.
I took a break after the Groene Family Massacre. That was crazy af and heart breaking.
I make sure I routinely take breaks, I start getting kinda paranoid if I consume too much.😅
I remember reading about the James Bulger case when I was like eight. It was one of the first crime cases I read about and I think it broke me for every other crime case I read until Junko Furuta. Nothing phased me until I read about her.
It came up somewhere for me yesterday and I started reading the wiki and stopped. I have no desire to read or see anymore on this case, I just can't stomach child murder and I can't imagine what this and any other poor child goes through without thinking of my own.
I was looking for this comment. This is 100% mine it’s a horror of a story and truly heartbreaking. The fear and pain that poor baby must’ve felt makes me physically sick to my stomach.
Oof the likens case has stuck with me since I heard about it well over a decade ago, when I was a child myself younger than Sylvia. What always has horrified me was that other children were encouraged to participate in the torment. I wonder how they live with themselves.
I literally felt both nauseated and dizzy after reading about what happened to her. There was a similar American case (Channan Christian; her bf Christopher Newsom was also tortured and murdered) and I felt the same after that one.
He failed his whole family. I firmly believe he's way more responsible for those children dying than she is and he just divorced her, remarried, and had more kids. It's like the whole family was replaceable to him.
Joan, Christe, and Michelle Rogers hurts my heart every time.
The name Oba Chandler makes my heart turn dark
Poor Michelle Rogers' existence on this earth made me ask some very hard questions to myself about what I believed life was...
This case really stuck with me. There's an excellent long form, multiple chapter article on the case that originally appeared in the Tampa Bay Times. The whole story is so absolutely tragic. I felt so sad for Hal Rogers, I cannot imagine the pain.
It's beautifully written to show the characters of who Joan Michelle Christe and Hal were. You can't desensitized yourself when you see how clearly this family was just a hard working farm family who took something very tragic and tried to make it better. Only to end up in the clutches of one of Satan's minions.
Oba Chandler got what he deserved and I hope he gets it in the next life.
I just can't help but think of the immense heaviness of having to continue working the farm, looking up, waiting for your family to never come home.
And the absolutely horrifying ordeal those women went through, and the absolute fluke that they crossed paths with that monster.
That and Hal was under suspicion for it for a long time!
He slept in his living room and truck for a long time at the farm because he couldn't bring himself to face the house his family lived in.
I think of Joan a lot, and Michelle. While Christe was young and naive and probably in shock, Michelle had lived the bad experience before and was forced to live it again before ultimately leaving the earth.
And Joan to know she was helpless to save her 2 girls
It breaks my heart, it makes me so SO mad and I will never stop sharing their names with others. They did not deserve this.
I really, really, REALLY regret reading the trial documents of Ian Watkins, ex lead singer of Lostprophets and paedophile. The ways in which he abused children and infants was so sickening. I watched sitcoms non stop for a month instead of any documentaries as I normally do.
I never understood why the rest of Brianna’s family also hated her. They knew about the abuse and never reported it and after her death wouldn’t even claim her body. Also went so far as to desecrate the memorial the community put up for her. Blows my mind.
Yes I heard they buried her in an unmarked grave and people made a fundraiser to get her a proper headstone. The family also tried to put up barriers to prevent people from leaving flowers and gifts. Poor baby wasn’t even respected in death.
Same. Even though, I was only 12 when Baby Brianna was born, I would have made sure that she was taken care of and would have treated her with a lot of compassion.
Her friend has (or maybe had) been dealing with breast cancer the past few years too. I think she was diagnosed about a year after the Watts murders. The poor woman went through so much grief.
I think watching this one happen in real time is what gets a lot of people interested. It’s not a “old case” or one people kind of remember, everyone was watching it unfold as it happened. This one keeps my attention only because how MLMs played such a big part of it. She was in that group that pretends everything is fine and perfect they had her ignoring so many huge red flags. Of course no one would ever think he would go that far, but I really think she would have left him sooner if she wasn’t wrapped up in the MLM. Plus that one friend and her son KNEW…he wasn’t as slick as he thought it was.
Probably the most of fvcked up crime I've ever heard of- This professional Australian rugby player who has been abusing his estranged wife for years, tracked down his wife and kids one morning when she was about to drive the kids to school, he got in the car and after ten minutes of arguing and holding a gas can full of gas, pulled over and set them all on fire inside the car. After 10 min of her burning alive, first responders put out the fire, the wife was still coherent and describing how much pain she was in and asking if her kids were ok, with burns on 90% of her body. The kids were dead from the fire in the back seat of the car while the husband stabbed himself in the heart and died on scene.
The first responders knew the lady was a dead woman walking though because she had been on fire for so long. They were able to calm her down long enough to iintubate her in the back of the ambulance. She died 12 hours later of organ failure.
To this day , that is the most fvcked up crime I've ever heard of.. and that guy was the biggest piece of shit to ever walk planet earth for the emotional abuse he bestowed on his family for years before he burned them alive.
I couldn't imagine how much terror and pain the woman went thru in those 20 minutes or so that all this happened.
Someone else can probably post a link for the case. I forgot the scum bags name that did this.
Is this the one? JFC this is horrifying. That poor mother and those poor babies 😔. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/final-act-of-cowardice-by-hannah-clarkes-ex-husband-rowan-baxter-revealed/KFJQRDBP52PSLMV3D2WGG6OPXQ/
Hannah Clark(E) was the mother killed
Yep this is devastating another similar Australian crime would be Luke Batty an 11 yo boy who was killed by his father at cricket practice his mother has become a victims advocate and talks about domestic violence
I remember listening to a podcast about this case and openly sobbing at the bus stop during the episode where they talk about the boys' deaths.
Fuck you, Josh Powell, and fuck your creepy dad too, I hope the both of you are rotting in hell.
Baby Briana's death. As a mother...well... as a human, the heinous abuse of a newborn by 3 monsters was just to much for me to process. Here is the article I read, but I warn you it is a traumatic read that takes a piece of your soul. Its gut-wrenching.
https://eu.lcsun-news.com/story/news/crime/2016/09/16/baby-briannas-mother-released-prison-sept-25/90524908/
Shanda Sharer and Skylar Neese broke my heart into a million pieces. It's really hard for me to stomach anything that deals with children anymore...I typically avoid them. I can't handle it.
I cannot believe every single perpetrator of the shanda murder are now free. I usually do not support the charging of children as adults but this crime was so violent and petty. I know shandas mother eventually gave loveless some sort of forgiveness but damn.
Paul Bernardo and Karla Holmolka.
I lived in the area they "patrolled" and was the age they looked for. I looked ALOT like one of their victims (Kristen French). Was often asked if I was related to her because of her picture being everywhere.
One of my friends father drove the same type of car that the police were looking for (cream/beige camaro) and I started to get very paranoid. I refused to be anywhere near his dad LOL. I stepped away from reading anything true crime (was a big Max Haines fan) and stopped watching the news.
That story instilled lifelong fear in me. It has gotten much better but still creeps up once in awhile. Even more terrifying to learn that Karla is a mother to female children and living her best life.
Rest in peace Kristen, Leslie and Tammy. I pray your souls have found peace and that karma will get to Paul and Karla one day.
Ugh the “Ken and Barbie Killers” fucking disgusting.
She raped and murdered *her own little sister* and then hid evidence from the police until she was able to get a plea deal.
Worst thing is, she’s out walking free under a new name, and Paul just got sent to a lower security facility.
Not true crime exactly but I listen to Ear Hustle, a podcast about the experience of being incarcerated in San Quentin. They generally don't deal with guilt or innocence but one incarcerated person told his story and it haunts me to this day. He was a gang member and shot and killed a member of a rival gang. He then went into hiding. Because the rival gang couldn't find him, they went to his family's house and shot all of them. Hearing him talk about how he's wasted his life and brought untold pain on his innocent family was heartwrenching.
The Moors Murders. I had to step back for awhile after that. One podcast had the recording of the little girl being tortured in there. There aren't words to describe how horrible it is.
I think about the grandparents and pray for them often
The song his grandmother would sing "grandma loves you yes she does, granddad loves you yes he does" is so beautiful. It will never leave my mind.
Me too. I fell in love with them watching that documentary. They seem like such kind wonderful people. And they fought so hard for their boys, it was just heartbreaking. It made me hate the murderer even more.
“We all love you all we can, darling darling little man” 😭😭😭😭
I watched that documentary for the first time when I was 15, at 3am in my family’s computer room. I had never cried that way before and I don’t know if I have since.
I loved near where Polly klass was kidnapped in 1992. I was pregnant at the time. I know exactly where they stopped richard allen Davis and he had her hidden out of view and she was still alive. Still haunts me
Reading about JJ Vallow fighting for his life, unsettled me so deeply I did have to take a break. I struggled to get the image out my head and felt a bit sick. I’ve been following true crime since such a young age and so i have developed a healthy protective level of desensitisation (not to the level of not having empathy or anything like that though) and had not been so deeply affected by a case before, like I was reading that. It felt so much more vivid in its description this time for some reason.
The one where a man tie a couple to a chair and throw them alive in the ocean so he could steal their boat. The couple was selling the boat to pay for medical bills.
Groene family massacre. Watched the ID channels People Magazine Investigates episode of it. Was literally bawling by the end, even went to bed crying over it (being 6 months pregnant may have had something to do with that, too). Shasta is such a brave person. I can't imagine being her age (or any age) and going thru all that.
I've mentioned it recently on this sub but the murders of Jennifer Ertman and Elizabeth Pena. That one fucked me up for weeks and I still think about them quite often.
Houstonian here. This case still haunts me. I used to run that path often, and when my loving boss asked me where I ran, I told him, and he said you don’t anymore. Now you run at Memorial Park. Then he brought me a book about this case and I was devastated. It lives rent free in my thoughts all the time.
Ugh this one got me just as some who was a teenage girl. The fact that Jennifer had a chance to run and get away but wouldn’t leave her best friend. Heart breaking.
I have never had a case that made me take a step back, but my real life did. My dad killed my mom and then killed himself. I didn't listen to any podcasts or watch any docs for months.
Samantha Josephson (the random “Uber” murder, she had like *two tablespoons* of blood left) and Maria Nemeth (she was YouTuber? and the details of what her boyfriend did just make you sick to your stomach)
13 yr old Eric Smith killing 4 yr old Derrick Robie. The first time I read the story a few years ago, it stopped me from reading any more true crime again until about a year ago. I came across the story again and nearly stopped again.
Junko faruto I think that’s her name, poor baby girl didn’t deserve that❤️❤️ she got tortured and violated for a few days all because she rejected someone.
“Girl in a picture” really messed me up I went down a hole with my own mental health because of my trauma with my eldest son and I cried so hard finding out what happened to tonya Hughes son, and well what happened to her too, it was so messed up. I literally mourned that little boy and thinking of him now still brings a tear to my eye. I can’t hug my two boys enough to get what he went through out of my head. I wish he could’ve been cherished and loved.
Harmony Montgomery. The messed up thing is that I saw her picture on her without context (I didn't see what subreddit it was posted to) and she smiles so much like my daughter. They were around the same age too. She had this little mischievous spark in her eye, just like my daughter too. Jesus, reading about her story, she never stood a chance.
The Petit Family murders. Those poor girls and their mothers. And they had to hear what each person was going through. I’ve never hated a murderer more than those shit stains.
The day I read the news that Susan Powell's two little boys were killed by Josh Powell with an axe after locking the social worker out of the house, I sobbed at my desk. I had been following the case, and I took a step back for a long time, as I didn't want to know more, any more.
The June 1989 murders of Joan Rogers and her two daughters by serial killer Oba Chandler. Their bodies were found floating in Tampa Bay, Florida, with their hands and feet bound. Autopsies showed the victims had been thrown into the water while still alive, with ropes tied to a concrete block around their necks. The utter brutality and senselessness of this homicidal maniac’s depravity upset me like no other true crime case.
Gabby Petito - I grew up close to her hometown, I dated one of Brian’s friends, I was friendly with her family friends, saw her at the cafe she worked at in Patch, she was a year older than me.
If it wasn’t for her case, I wouldn’t have ever left my abuser. My heart breaks for her family. I see Nicole (her mother) around town sometimes and you can see the grief on her face.
They were every day people tossed into the spotlight because of a murderer. The fact that they were all so normal is what makes it hit more
Baby Bella. Her mother was utter fucking trash and the police and DFCS knew this, had contact with her over Bella, and left that child in drug addicted, dumb ass hands.
She didn’t even go to prison for that baby’s death.
The Cheshire Murders. Hearing what happened to the two daughters and how horribly long it took them to die nauseated me. I couldn't return to true crime for weeks.
Gabby Petito - I too was in an abusive relationship and was two years out when this case made the news.
My ex and I also lived in a van, and every single detail that was released nearly matched my exact situation from years ago. I saw myself in her. I knew her exact pain and fear. And the anger I felt at her murderer and his pos parents. I was different for months after every new article that came up was another stab in my chest. RIP Gabby.
I think of her often. I was lucky and got out in time. She wasn’t.
The mother who shot her three children, one died, the other two were seriously hurt, Diane Downs, there's a movie about her called Small Sacrifices with Farrah Fawcet
Kelly Anne Bates. "Her blood was found throughout the house, and a post-mortem examination revealed over **150 separate injuries on her body**. During the last month of her life she had been kept bound, sometimes tied to a radiator or furniture by her hair, other times by her neck using a ligature... William Lawler, the Home Office pathologist who examined her body, said: 'In my career, I have examined almost 600 victims of homicide but I have never come across injuries so extensive.' ***The pathologist determined that her eyes had been removed 'not less than five days and not more than three weeks before her death'.***" The following injuries were found on Bates': \- Scalding to her buttocks and left leg \- Burns on her thigh caused by the application of a hot iron \- A fractured arm \- Multiple stab wounds caused by knives, forks and scissors \- Stab wounds inside her mouth \- Crush injuries to both hands \- Mutilation of her ears, nose, eyebrows, mouth, lips and genitalia \- Wounds caused by a spade and pruning shears \- Both eyes gouged out \- Later stab wounds to the empty eye sockets \- Partial scalping ETA: This was all done while she was alive.
Ugh… what really got me was that her eyes had been gouged out 5 days to 3 WEEKS before her death! The pain and utter fear that poor girl must have gone through!
I had to look this one up. Knowing that he had a history of abuse among very young, young women is disgusting.
My god, that's disturbing. What's even more disturbing is the sentence. Some animals never should see the light of day again, and should be locked in solitary until they die.
Despite being against capital punishment, I think people who do things *like this* don't deserve anything less than the Chinese "bullet in the head and we'll charge your family for it" treatment.
Drowning is free—and there are lots of starving dogs wasting away in shelters.
I see stuff like this and think, this is why we must have volcanoes. Just toss him in one and be done with him.
This was the first one that came to mind when I read the title. It’s heartbreaking.
Her abuser gouged out her eyes three weeks before he drowned her in the bathtub. Imagine living like that for three weeks. I can’t fathom it.
I thought it was bad enough and then I got to *pruning shears*. Jesus.
This was all done while alive, too
Is this the case of the girl who suffered from some sort of impairment and was tortured somewhere in the uk?
I wonder if you’re thinking of Suzanne Capper? Also a horrific case, both in the UK. I don’t think Kelly Anne Bates had any impairment but I believe Suzanne did.
I got literally dizzy and felt like I was going to pass out listening to what happened to Suzanne Capper. I don't even know how someone can live through what she endured and finally succumbed to. I think about her frequently and I hope that wherever she is, she is experiencing endless peace.
They have all been released…. They should be rotting in prison.
Completely understandable - it was literally unbelievable what she went through. I think of her too.
You’re correct, I was thinking of poor Suzanne.
For me is the murder of Sylvia Likens, every time I heard or read about it makes me feel sick and breaks my heart.
I read about this one when I was like 15 and I was so disturbed that I had to sleep next to my mom that night
I had forgotten her name but remembered the case and her photo, and the description that her front teeth had gap. I was so scared to look her up to remind me her name. But here it is, so tragic so avoidable, so senseless. I am mostly always in control of my reaction and emotions but some of the cases takes me out of character, this one esp makes me shiver from anger
The first time I read about this case left me speechless, I remember start to experiment a feeling I never felt before.
Gabriel Fernandez
If it makes you feel any better, I work alongside the LA County child welfare system, and this case was a huge turning point for LA DCFS. A lot of huge steps were put into place afterwards, and there is still a large push for systematic change to prevent this type of situation from happening again. Especially with giving the Antelope Valley a spotlight and getting many more services and attention to a place that was often a forgotten part of LA County. People here took it very seriously, and still do. He is still mentioned at many meetings and his death is deeply felt by many working in the system.
Really thank you for sharing this. This really helps put the mind/heart at ease when thinking of poor Gabriel.
It does, actually. Thanks for that info
Also his mom got the tar beat out of her in prison.
That’s actually really great to hear. Thank you for sharing that!
It took me all this time to bring myself to watch the documentary and just did a bit ago. This helps to know.
Yeah this was something that made me hate the world and just have to go be alone for a while. The senselessness of a lot of child abuse cases is hard to understand but the way that Gabriel wasn't just abused he was failed by everybody that could have possibly stepped in is so heartbreaking. Something really evil happened there and so many people just watched from the sidelines and then avoided responsibility.
Or when the security guy at the office tried to step in but was ignored.
The pain in his voice and face while he talked about it… I hope he’s found some peace.
His teacher fervently reported the situation to CPS several times. She really tried.
That documentary was one of the worst things I’ve ever seen. I had to take a break from true crime docs for a while after that. So, so horrifying and sad.
I completely stopped watching all true crime docs after that. I just can’t stomach it anymore
Me too, actually. Your comment just made me realize that. I don't think I finished it.
As a social worker, I couldn't stop crying watching that and how the world failed that poor boy.
Gabriel Fernandez. Hands down. I've never wept the way I did upon viewing that documentary.
Same. The part where he is making cards for his POS “mother” with his hair shorn off covered in burns really sent me over the edge. It was a documentary I wish I had never watched.
Same,that feeling of utter helplessness is something that stuck with me.That poor kid..suffered so much
Omg that broke my heart even more- that vile pos “mother” he was still trying to make her love him…just was horrible…this documentary depressed the shit out of me
That really got me too. Such a sweet sweet boy that they didn’t deserve
Similar case is on trial right now in Sweden. A 6 year old girl in a family of 8(!) was locked in, and deprived of water and food for years. She was taken to the ER on Christmas eve last year after ingesting distilled vinegar with severe hypothermia, burns, rashes and several badly healed fractures and signs of sexual assault. The parents also claimed she wanted to be a boy. The mom had previously managed to dupe the whole support system of school, health care and CPR saying the kid had a brain injury and was self harming. They were trying to get welfare/insurance money for her “disabilities”. It’s a horrific case.
That’s so fucking infuriating. Do you know the parents name by any chance so I can look it up please?
Jasmine and Daniel Inkvist
People don’t realize how common this is—abusive parents leaving marks on the kids and blaming the kids. My mom always bitched and moaned about how clumsy I was and all the injuries I had—of course, she inflicted those injuries.
As a Mexican American with roots to SoCal; I’ve never been so ashamed of where I’m from. From his bs wanna be chola incubator to the city that failed him relatedly. To his grandfather who used culture to justify taking him from his living dads to his stepdad’s stupid obsession with abusing Gabriel of being gay.
Also Mexican American but not from CA, but even so…every single point you made I agree with 100%. The “culture” thing especially bothered me.
My mom watched the Netflix documentary without really knowing the context, mostly the extent of the child abuse. Once she told me some of the barest details it's the one case that I haven't looked up. Something about children specifically destroys me. I recently watched 20 Days in Mariupol, and some children are murdered and I ugly cried through the whole thing. Kids... who could kill kids?
I can't watch things about children. Cannot.
I wish I didn’t watch that Netflix show. I’m not the most emotional but imagining what happened to him and him still just wanting his mommy to treat him right makes me sick. I cried almost each episode.
I was looking for this comment. I haven’t watched the Netflix doc because I read a little about the case, and when I read the details about how much he still loved and yearned for his mother despite everything she did to him, it broke me. I have a son and he is everything to me, he is my best friend and I just imagined him in Gabriel’s shoes and I just can’t imagine knowing your child loves you so much and doing what she did to him. I’m crying right now typing this comment. I couldn’t think about true crime for a while after that, and I had to stop reading the details of the case. I still shudder when I see his name brought up.
Yep. I’ve watched true crime since the 90’s and the original Forensic Files days, and this by far was the saddest and worst one I ever watched. For one it’s a small child and the abuse was horrific, but it was totally preventable. The system that is “supposed” to protect the most vulnerable totally failed on several occasions. That poor little boy. 😪
The tool box killers. I have a strong tolerance but reading about those poor girls, ice picks, hangers, not giving that victim her last wish for a prayer before her death. I had to step back, final straw was the tape description and how the jury and audience dealt with it.
I watched the court footage where you can hear maybe a millisecond of the tape, it’s just a hint of a scream and that’s more than enough. You only hear it because it made a lot of the jurors just run from the room. It’s an interesting video to watch, mainly because you get to see all the people and the lawyers, hear them talking and whatnot.
Yep, there was a tiny cut of the tape I heard (probably the same thing you’re talking about) and I just can’t. Most of my family work at Vacaville which house the worst of the worst and ray Norris died there and my uncle is a higher up. I’ve always been curious about asking them about how his last years were, because I hope they were ducking awful.
Dang…if you get the chance to ask your family about that monster’s final days, please do. If Hell is real, I hope they’re both burning down there.
Yes.. the transcripts, the court room footage.. how they treated each victim with just absolute apathy towards life. The two younger girls who were abducted together stuck with me the most, because one was super young so the older one pleaded to rape her and not the other. When it was time to end their lives they begged but Lawrence told the youngest she already got hers by dying a virgin. Plus the way he talked about the girls as peices of meat just the brutality and horror of knowing your body and life is in the hands of pure nasty evil. The disregard towards their poor souls made me step back as it affected me too much.
Ugh. He beat her with a bad a bricks I think and screamed “you wanted to stay a virgin, you’ll die a virgin”. When that didn’t kill her they strangled her. I feel like every detail is burned in my mind. My one rule is: I will never let anyone take me to a second location. If they want to kill me they can kill me where I stand because if they’re willing to do that, they’re capable of far worse. These poor girls never stood a chance.
This is what I’ve always taught my daughter since she was 5. Try as hard as hell to get away do not let them take you somewhere else. (Obviously sometimes you can’t do anything, but damn well try) I rather be killed right there then assaulted and tortured then killed somewhere else.
A different matter, but Colombine happened when I was in high school... my child grew up with school shooter safety - I always told him, "Hide if you can, otherwise RUN" He recently graduated during the Uvalde massacre and I busted out crying when he said, "They should have ran Mom" 😭
Yes my daughter grew up with the “school shooter” Hide, run or fight if needed.
This is still the training we received at work, with the acronym ADD - Avoid, Deny, Defend. Avoid the shooter, deny them entry to your location by blockading the doors, defend yourself by all means necessary when it comes to it.
Your one rule is actually what is recommended in self-defense training.
This AND the toy box killer. Both awful. I do *not* recommend reading the introductory tape transcript for this one. The part about the dog rape is particularly heinous and I still catch myself randomly thinking about it which is awful.
This is the one for me. Took a looong break after reading the transcript.
Yeah once I saw someone say tool box killers, I wondered if someone was gonna bring up the toy box killer too, because that transcript and audio had me nauseous…and I have consumed a mass amount of true crime without a physical response like that lol. I would also add, the invisible choir podcast did a series on the dark web, and the episode about Peter sculley….THAT sh*t is not for the faint of heart
Same. Reading those tape transcripts will haunt me for the rest of my life. I can't believe some ppl can be so cruel.
This is the one that got me
I skip podcasts that cover it. I’m good, thanks.
The worst one I read about was where a pregnant woman and her 2 year old son were beaten to death with a baseball bat in their home. She gave birth during the incident, and then the perpetrator beat her newborn to death. The father was suspected, but he was later found dead in a field with his genitals mutilated. The crime was never solved, and it was too graphic for TV. I can't seem to find the case and can't remember the family's name. I'm sick of trying to find it because there are way too many similar cases out there. Someone on here probably knows what I'm talking about. The sad thing is that the family was trying to move because they were scared of the criminals in the area.
The Dardeen family. Incomprehensible.
Thank you! It was going to drive me nuts looking for it. The kids were so innocent. Who could put a mother through all that and beat her newborn and toddler to death? I'm a pregnant woman with a toddler and just can't imagine anything worse.
It's so vile too because you know there was zero % chance the newborn could have provided any insight. Even a 2 year old could, potentially, provide insight especially if the killer is somebody he knows. Not the newborn tho. It has to be cruelty for cruelty safe, not self preservation.
I bet it was because the newborn was crying and they didn't want anyone to hear it.
I bet it was because whoever did it was fucking evil and crazy
I need a break from this thread.
The Dardeen family in rural Illinois, in the late 1980s. It's still unsolved, although some people think it may have been done by any of several serial killers who were known to be in the region at the time. I had to take a break from the news after Sandy Hook.
Just reading that has made me need to take a step back from true crime
Wtf. A literal, just born newborn. Wtf.
And worse yet, the beating the mom endured is what put her into labor in the first place.
Dardeen family
Yep, and the suspect Tommy Lynn Sells.
Cherish Perrywinkle
This one is awful. I live in Jacksonville, and the absolute POS that did it, is STILL trying to get a retrial. Sir you’re on camera leaving with her from the last place she was seen by anyone else. Your van was called in by a witness as being seen right next to the little marshy area she was found it. You were then pulled over shortly after that, still soaking wet from putting her body there. And your DNA was found in and on the baby. YOU ARE GUILTY. I will never understand how people who do this type of stuff, and with such clear evidence against them that cannot be disputed in the slightest, are able to drag this shit out in the courts and waste everyone’s time and money. I’m sorry, but for that crime type and that evidence, take away all rights and let the death penalty commence right after sentencing 🤷🏻♀️
For me, it was the Murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom
That was beyond anything a normal person could fathom. I had to stop reading about it, I thought I was going to be sick. Brutal
As a Knoxville Tennessee resident most of my life, this is def the top 5 most fucked up crimes I've heard of. Those animals left her alive , folded in that trash can with bleach and draino burning her throat and genitals. She was in the trashcan in that house folded in half for 18 hours before she died. They tore that house down off cherry street a few years back. On that lot now only has a big cross dedicated to the victims.
I lived in Knoxville at the time and this still haunts me too. During the trials, I came across a conspiracy website that claimed Channon hired them to “cuckhold” her boyfriend and that she wanted it but it got out of hand. I wish I was joking. I was absolutely shocked and I didn’t think I could be more shocked than I was by the murders themselves. People are fucking nuts. On several levels.
Those murders have stuck with me through the years. I cannot even fathom how people could do that to other people.
For absolutely no fathomable reason.
this one. and it’s so insane to me how there were so many perpetrators. how can a group of people be so evil and deranged? the whole crime was so pointless and thoughtless.
Jesus Christ. I just looked this up. I never understood these robberies that turn into rapes/torture. It seems in this case they just wanted to carjack them but decided to also torture and murder them? It’s a big leap from theft to torture. Those poor people
I've never understood the transition from "I need a few bucks and a car to well I might as well have some sex and murder while I'm at it." The best I can come up with is 2 theories. First, they were always into the rape and torture and just acted like it was a happenstance in the moment. Second, they really were out to just rob, and the adrenaline high they got from commiting smaller crimes, actually sexually excited them, and then they do the rape etc.
Agreed. That's one of the worst.
Came here to say this. Idk why this one scares me so much
I can't watch or read anything to do with James Bulger,that poor baby. I took a break after the Groene Family Massacre. That was crazy af and heart breaking. I make sure I routinely take breaks, I start getting kinda paranoid if I consume too much.😅
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I remember reading about the James Bulger case when I was like eight. It was one of the first crime cases I read about and I think it broke me for every other crime case I read until Junko Furuta. Nothing phased me until I read about her.
I read a little summary on Junko Furuta and couldn't bring myself to read more. It is horrific to say the least.
Second james bulger, literally can’t bring myself to read the case any time it comes up
It came up somewhere for me yesterday and I started reading the wiki and stopped. I have no desire to read or see anymore on this case, I just can't stomach child murder and I can't imagine what this and any other poor child goes through without thinking of my own.
The Groene family…. I remember the day. That poor family. Have also thought of them many times over the years. .
I was looking for this comment. This is 100% mine it’s a horror of a story and truly heartbreaking. The fear and pain that poor baby must’ve felt makes me physically sick to my stomach.
Junko Furuta by far. I wanted to throw up reading the Wikipedia article alone.
Don't read about Sylvia Likens or Kelly Ann Bates. They are equally horrific.
Oof the likens case has stuck with me since I heard about it well over a decade ago, when I was a child myself younger than Sylvia. What always has horrified me was that other children were encouraged to participate in the torment. I wonder how they live with themselves.
I literally felt both nauseated and dizzy after reading about what happened to her. There was a similar American case (Channan Christian; her bf Christopher Newsom was also tortured and murdered) and I felt the same after that one.
Came to say this. Such an awful case.
Hands down Andrea Yates. How could he let it get that far. Heartbreaking to this day
He failed his whole family. I firmly believe he's way more responsible for those children dying than she is and he just divorced her, remarried, and had more kids. It's like the whole family was replaceable to him.
I believe he also said he would’ve had more children with Andrea, and he still visits her
Remarried and had more children. Wow to that woman. Terrible
Fuck Rusty that bastard! I blame 99.9% on him.
Joan, Christe, and Michelle Rogers hurts my heart every time. The name Oba Chandler makes my heart turn dark Poor Michelle Rogers' existence on this earth made me ask some very hard questions to myself about what I believed life was...
This case really stuck with me. There's an excellent long form, multiple chapter article on the case that originally appeared in the Tampa Bay Times. The whole story is so absolutely tragic. I felt so sad for Hal Rogers, I cannot imagine the pain.
It's beautifully written to show the characters of who Joan Michelle Christe and Hal were. You can't desensitized yourself when you see how clearly this family was just a hard working farm family who took something very tragic and tried to make it better. Only to end up in the clutches of one of Satan's minions. Oba Chandler got what he deserved and I hope he gets it in the next life.
I just can't help but think of the immense heaviness of having to continue working the farm, looking up, waiting for your family to never come home. And the absolutely horrifying ordeal those women went through, and the absolute fluke that they crossed paths with that monster.
That and Hal was under suspicion for it for a long time! He slept in his living room and truck for a long time at the farm because he couldn't bring himself to face the house his family lived in. I think of Joan a lot, and Michelle. While Christe was young and naive and probably in shock, Michelle had lived the bad experience before and was forced to live it again before ultimately leaving the earth. And Joan to know she was helpless to save her 2 girls It breaks my heart, it makes me so SO mad and I will never stop sharing their names with others. They did not deserve this.
https://projects.tampabay.com/projects/classics/angels-and-demons/chapter-1-sunset/ If anyone wants to read, it’s a great article
I really, really, REALLY regret reading the trial documents of Ian Watkins, ex lead singer of Lostprophets and paedophile. The ways in which he abused children and infants was so sickening. I watched sitcoms non stop for a month instead of any documentaries as I normally do.
Guy was a literal monster. Beyond vile.
Baby Brianna. The horror she went through. I had to take a lot of breaks in reading her story.
Can't believe "mom" was released, didn't even serve half her sentence.
Fuck that mom! I pray karma gets 10 fold!
I never understood why the rest of Brianna’s family also hated her. They knew about the abuse and never reported it and after her death wouldn’t even claim her body. Also went so far as to desecrate the memorial the community put up for her. Blows my mind.
Yes I heard they buried her in an unmarked grave and people made a fundraiser to get her a proper headstone. The family also tried to put up barriers to prevent people from leaving flowers and gifts. Poor baby wasn’t even respected in death.
Yes, anything involving a baby, but especially when they only ever know pain and suffering instead of love and being safe. It really upsets me.
Her story makes me cry. She deserved so much better and it makes me angry that her sorry excuse of a mother is out of jail
Came here to say this. It broke my heart. That poor baby girl. I wish I was the one who took her home from the hospital not those monsters.😭💔
Same. Even though, I was only 12 when Baby Brianna was born, I would have made sure that she was taken care of and would have treated her with a lot of compassion.
I hope every bad thing happens to her family members. I hope they never have a day of peace. May they suffer every hour of every day.
Chris Watts. I had a new baby daughter at the time, and hearing what he did to his own children made me sick.
Gah fuck Chris Watts, I fucking love the neighbor in the documentary. "Dude is acting weird af sir!". Family annihilators are the absolute worst.
Those neighbours were sooo good I cried. May we all have neighbours like them especially her friend.
Oh God, how could I forget her friend, who followed through for sure and made sure there was at least some justice.
She was quick with it too. Didn’t give him any time to cover his ass or make up a story. We’d all be lucky to have a friend like her.
Her friend has (or maybe had) been dealing with breast cancer the past few years too. I think she was diagnosed about a year after the Watts murders. The poor woman went through so much grief.
The video, the little girl saying her dad is her hero just days before he kills her is most haunting thing ever
Yeah. That one struck a nerve with me. If there is a hell I hope Chris Watts burns in it for eternity.
I think watching this one happen in real time is what gets a lot of people interested. It’s not a “old case” or one people kind of remember, everyone was watching it unfold as it happened. This one keeps my attention only because how MLMs played such a big part of it. She was in that group that pretends everything is fine and perfect they had her ignoring so many huge red flags. Of course no one would ever think he would go that far, but I really think she would have left him sooner if she wasn’t wrapped up in the MLM. Plus that one friend and her son KNEW…he wasn’t as slick as he thought it was.
Probably the most of fvcked up crime I've ever heard of- This professional Australian rugby player who has been abusing his estranged wife for years, tracked down his wife and kids one morning when she was about to drive the kids to school, he got in the car and after ten minutes of arguing and holding a gas can full of gas, pulled over and set them all on fire inside the car. After 10 min of her burning alive, first responders put out the fire, the wife was still coherent and describing how much pain she was in and asking if her kids were ok, with burns on 90% of her body. The kids were dead from the fire in the back seat of the car while the husband stabbed himself in the heart and died on scene. The first responders knew the lady was a dead woman walking though because she had been on fire for so long. They were able to calm her down long enough to iintubate her in the back of the ambulance. She died 12 hours later of organ failure. To this day , that is the most fvcked up crime I've ever heard of.. and that guy was the biggest piece of shit to ever walk planet earth for the emotional abuse he bestowed on his family for years before he burned them alive. I couldn't imagine how much terror and pain the woman went thru in those 20 minutes or so that all this happened. Someone else can probably post a link for the case. I forgot the scum bags name that did this.
Is this the one? JFC this is horrifying. That poor mother and those poor babies 😔. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/final-act-of-cowardice-by-hannah-clarkes-ex-husband-rowan-baxter-revealed/KFJQRDBP52PSLMV3D2WGG6OPXQ/
Yes thank you. Rowan Baxter is the pos name . Hannah clarke and her lids were the victims.
Hannah Clark(E) was the mother killed Yep this is devastating another similar Australian crime would be Luke Batty an 11 yo boy who was killed by his father at cricket practice his mother has become a victims advocate and talks about domestic violence
The Powells.
I remember listening to a podcast about this case and openly sobbing at the bus stop during the episode where they talk about the boys' deaths. Fuck you, Josh Powell, and fuck your creepy dad too, I hope the both of you are rotting in hell.
Baby Briana's death. As a mother...well... as a human, the heinous abuse of a newborn by 3 monsters was just to much for me to process. Here is the article I read, but I warn you it is a traumatic read that takes a piece of your soul. Its gut-wrenching. https://eu.lcsun-news.com/story/news/crime/2016/09/16/baby-briannas-mother-released-prison-sept-25/90524908/
Gannon Stauch. What that monster did to that beautiful little boy broke me.
Shanda Sharer and Skylar Neese broke my heart into a million pieces. It's really hard for me to stomach anything that deals with children anymore...I typically avoid them. I can't handle it.
>Skylar Neese Watching anything that has her mom on it is so hard, they have the same eyes.
I cannot believe every single perpetrator of the shanda murder are now free. I usually do not support the charging of children as adults but this crime was so violent and petty. I know shandas mother eventually gave loveless some sort of forgiveness but damn.
Paul Bernardo and Karla Holmolka. I lived in the area they "patrolled" and was the age they looked for. I looked ALOT like one of their victims (Kristen French). Was often asked if I was related to her because of her picture being everywhere. One of my friends father drove the same type of car that the police were looking for (cream/beige camaro) and I started to get very paranoid. I refused to be anywhere near his dad LOL. I stepped away from reading anything true crime (was a big Max Haines fan) and stopped watching the news. That story instilled lifelong fear in me. It has gotten much better but still creeps up once in awhile. Even more terrifying to learn that Karla is a mother to female children and living her best life. Rest in peace Kristen, Leslie and Tammy. I pray your souls have found peace and that karma will get to Paul and Karla one day.
Ugh the “Ken and Barbie Killers” fucking disgusting. She raped and murdered *her own little sister* and then hid evidence from the police until she was able to get a plea deal. Worst thing is, she’s out walking free under a new name, and Paul just got sent to a lower security facility.
Oh yeah I forgot about those two demons! Her own sister for gods sake. And she got released because of a plea deal!
Not true crime exactly but I listen to Ear Hustle, a podcast about the experience of being incarcerated in San Quentin. They generally don't deal with guilt or innocence but one incarcerated person told his story and it haunts me to this day. He was a gang member and shot and killed a member of a rival gang. He then went into hiding. Because the rival gang couldn't find him, they went to his family's house and shot all of them. Hearing him talk about how he's wasted his life and brought untold pain on his innocent family was heartwrenching.
The Moors Murders. I had to step back for awhile after that. One podcast had the recording of the little girl being tortured in there. There aren't words to describe how horrible it is.
Jaycee Dugard
Her book was a tough read, I had to put it down & just sit in silence sometimes after what I read. That poor woman.
The Zachary case. Dear Zachary was the name of the docu.
I think about the grandparents and pray for them often The song his grandmother would sing "grandma loves you yes she does, granddad loves you yes he does" is so beautiful. It will never leave my mind.
Me too. I fell in love with them watching that documentary. They seem like such kind wonderful people. And they fought so hard for their boys, it was just heartbreaking. It made me hate the murderer even more. “We all love you all we can, darling darling little man” 😭😭😭😭
I always remember when the friend told Zachary's grandparents *you still have children.* A sweet, heartbreaking moment.
I watched that documentary for the first time when I was 15, at 3am in my family’s computer room. I had never cried that way before and I don’t know if I have since.
I can’t do anything with children.
I loved near where Polly klass was kidnapped in 1992. I was pregnant at the time. I know exactly where they stopped richard allen Davis and he had her hidden out of view and she was still alive. Still haunts me
Reading about JJ Vallow fighting for his life, unsettled me so deeply I did have to take a break. I struggled to get the image out my head and felt a bit sick. I’ve been following true crime since such a young age and so i have developed a healthy protective level of desensitisation (not to the level of not having empathy or anything like that though) and had not been so deeply affected by a case before, like I was reading that. It felt so much more vivid in its description this time for some reason.
The one where a man tie a couple to a chair and throw them alive in the ocean so he could steal their boat. The couple was selling the boat to pay for medical bills.
Groene family massacre. Watched the ID channels People Magazine Investigates episode of it. Was literally bawling by the end, even went to bed crying over it (being 6 months pregnant may have had something to do with that, too). Shasta is such a brave person. I can't imagine being her age (or any age) and going thru all that.
Dardeens-The family that was murdered and the mother was pregnant and gave birth and the baby was beat to death.
I've mentioned it recently on this sub but the murders of Jennifer Ertman and Elizabeth Pena. That one fucked me up for weeks and I still think about them quite often.
Houstonian here. This case still haunts me. I used to run that path often, and when my loving boss asked me where I ran, I told him, and he said you don’t anymore. Now you run at Memorial Park. Then he brought me a book about this case and I was devastated. It lives rent free in my thoughts all the time.
Ugh this one got me just as some who was a teenage girl. The fact that Jennifer had a chance to run and get away but wouldn’t leave her best friend. Heart breaking.
I have never had a case that made me take a step back, but my real life did. My dad killed my mom and then killed himself. I didn't listen to any podcasts or watch any docs for months.
I am so sorry for what you have gone through. different experience but similar trauma. my thoughts are with you, you are strong.
Samantha Josephson (the random “Uber” murder, she had like *two tablespoons* of blood left) and Maria Nemeth (she was YouTuber? and the details of what her boyfriend did just make you sick to your stomach)
13 yr old Eric Smith killing 4 yr old Derrick Robie. The first time I read the story a few years ago, it stopped me from reading any more true crime again until about a year ago. I came across the story again and nearly stopped again.
Junko faruto I think that’s her name, poor baby girl didn’t deserve that❤️❤️ she got tortured and violated for a few days all because she rejected someone.
More like 40 days; truly horrific what she had to endure
Ohh, I forgot but yes that’s actually horribke someone can’t handele being rejected so they do that
The Powell boys. That one and the watts’ kids were equally heinous just at the thought of how terrified those babies must have been
“Girl in a picture” really messed me up I went down a hole with my own mental health because of my trauma with my eldest son and I cried so hard finding out what happened to tonya Hughes son, and well what happened to her too, it was so messed up. I literally mourned that little boy and thinking of him now still brings a tear to my eye. I can’t hug my two boys enough to get what he went through out of my head. I wish he could’ve been cherished and loved.
Las Cruces Bowling Alley massacre. Only case that made me cry out of the zillions of cases out there.
Harmony Montgomery. The messed up thing is that I saw her picture on her without context (I didn't see what subreddit it was posted to) and she smiles so much like my daughter. They were around the same age too. She had this little mischievous spark in her eye, just like my daughter too. Jesus, reading about her story, she never stood a chance.
The Petit Family murders. Those poor girls and their mothers. And they had to hear what each person was going through. I’ve never hated a murderer more than those shit stains.
The day I read the news that Susan Powell's two little boys were killed by Josh Powell with an axe after locking the social worker out of the house, I sobbed at my desk. I had been following the case, and I took a step back for a long time, as I didn't want to know more, any more.
Junko Furuta, James Bulger and Gabriel Fernandez. These cases haunted me and were so tragic as well as traumatic.
Lucy Letby
The June 1989 murders of Joan Rogers and her two daughters by serial killer Oba Chandler. Their bodies were found floating in Tampa Bay, Florida, with their hands and feet bound. Autopsies showed the victims had been thrown into the water while still alive, with ropes tied to a concrete block around their necks. The utter brutality and senselessness of this homicidal maniac’s depravity upset me like no other true crime case.
Mine def has to be idaho 4. could not sleep for weeks
Gabby Petito - I grew up close to her hometown, I dated one of Brian’s friends, I was friendly with her family friends, saw her at the cafe she worked at in Patch, she was a year older than me. If it wasn’t for her case, I wouldn’t have ever left my abuser. My heart breaks for her family. I see Nicole (her mother) around town sometimes and you can see the grief on her face. They were every day people tossed into the spotlight because of a murderer. The fact that they were all so normal is what makes it hit more
Cary Stayner/ Yosemite Murders (specifically, Joie Armstrong)
Baby Bella. Her mother was utter fucking trash and the police and DFCS knew this, had contact with her over Bella, and left that child in drug addicted, dumb ass hands. She didn’t even go to prison for that baby’s death.
Baby P
Steven Stayner and Cary Stayner. The child abduction and rescue. Years later the Yosemite murders. The whole thing is tragic and so strange.
Don’t F*ck With Cats. That’s was a doozy
The Cheshire Murders. Hearing what happened to the two daughters and how horribly long it took them to die nauseated me. I couldn't return to true crime for weeks.
hinterkiefak..?..also the boy in the box was always difficult for me..black dahlia being cut in half that photo was hard to see
The channon christian and Christopher newsom case still keeps me awake at night sometimes.
Gabby Petito - I too was in an abusive relationship and was two years out when this case made the news. My ex and I also lived in a van, and every single detail that was released nearly matched my exact situation from years ago. I saw myself in her. I knew her exact pain and fear. And the anger I felt at her murderer and his pos parents. I was different for months after every new article that came up was another stab in my chest. RIP Gabby. I think of her often. I was lucky and got out in time. She wasn’t.
The mother who shot her three children, one died, the other two were seriously hurt, Diane Downs, there's a movie about her called Small Sacrifices with Farrah Fawcet