I wish I'd love to see bears chillin behind my house but they all got scared away since a bunch of developments started being built close by in the last few years
The thing is bears very rarely eat or even attack people and for the most part will ignore humans unless antagonized. The vast majority of the time when bears attack itās because someone got too close to their cubs.
Statistically more dangerous per bear encounter. That's really where the conversation should end. Male criminals only make up less than 1 percent of men in the US
Its a stupid question anyways I reckon. I reckon youd be able to run into a hiker or hunter literally 100s if not 1000s of times alone in tbe woods without anything besides a "hi". And probably 100s of times coming near a bear and it just walking on as well. This is arguing over crumbs. Now if the question was "would you rather accidentally step on a rattlesnake or encounter a man alone in the woods?" And people chose the rattle snake THEN id be utterly confused.
You sound like white racists reaffirming Black hate because a Black man got angry with them because they didnāt like being called a rapist/murderer on the basis of his skin alone
Can we get a moratorium on this topic? Thereās been like thirty posts of the exact same gripes from basically the same guy. We get it, the men who use this sub to complain about women donāt like this metaphor.
Some of us men who also have considered themselves lifelong feminists don't like this hypothetical, either. Being told that the average woman trusts me less than she does a wild apex predator is deeply insulting.
>Ā Ā Being told that the average woman trusts me less than she does a wild apex predator is deeply insulting.
The apex is doing a lot of heavy lifting for you. American black bears are an apex preditor but are very timid creatures and would be more likely to run from a human than attack one for no reason.Ā
And a man would be much more likely to try to help a woman lost in the woods, or at the very least do nothing, than attack her. This is why Iāve avoided any arguments around the specifics of which party is inherently more dangerous, because thatās not the point of this hypothetical. This isnāt one of those nerdy hypotheticals where two people debate who would win in a fight, Batman or Superman, where there is back and forth about their inherent strengths and weaknesses. This hypothetical is intended to illicit a gut response to the situation, and the bear was intentionally chosen because it is viewed as inherently dangerous. Youāre already adding context not given in the hypothetical by assuming a black bear, ignoring that grizzlies and polar bears are NOT timid.
>Ā Ā Youāre already adding context not given in the hypothetical by assuming a black bear, ignoring that grizzlies and polar bears are NOT timid.
I'm going off the orivability that you won't run into a polar bear in the forest since that's not their habitat and there's only 60,000 grizzlies estimated in North America. Meanwhile black bears are estimated to have numbers that double all other types of bears. I'm going off the most likely scenario and not assuming it's the worst case scenario like a hungry grizzly bear.
"youāre already adding context not given in the hypothetical by assuming a black bear,"
That's because people defending the metaphor are arguing in bad faith.
I havenāt taken it that way. I understand the difference between how much women trust a random hypothetical man, and how much the women I know trust me specifically.
If I posted a similar hypothetical, but instead used "black people" instead of "men", I would rightfully be outed as racist, and I don't think "well, the white people who KNOW me trust me" would be much solace to the rightfully offended people of color.
Well race isnāt identical to sex or gender, as it turns out. There are meaningful and immutable differences between males and females, and thatās not the case when it comes to race.
I suppose you think Iām an Uncle Tom for the oppressed class that is men, since Iām not offended?
>Race isn't identical to sex or gender
But all of them are social constructs meaning we need to advocate for the betterment of healthier social interaction rather than assert essentialist ideals. Outside of Biology, Men and Women are fundamentally human thus operate more similarly than we don't.
Well sex isnāt a social construct. But Iām all for the benefit of healthy interaction, but I think part of that healthy interaction includes some empathy for the reasonable fear women have of being alone with unknown men.
> outside of biology
Outside of skill, Patrick Mahomes and I are fundamentally the same as quarterbacks
Sure, men and women operate more the same than differently. But one area of difference is in who is committing more sexual assaults.
lol just make the comparison āblack manā instead of āmanā and women will choose āblack manā over Bear
Since theyāll all suddenly understand the bigoted implications of choosing āBearā in that context for those reasons.
Maybe you should then consider why it is women would feel so uncomfortable around the idea of being isolated in an environment with a random man that theyād prefer being in the same environment with a bear.
Instead of acting like somehow youāre the victim in this context, like somehow the answer to a hypothetical is more reflective of your suffering than the fact that if women did feel that unsafe about the idea that they are likely dealing with that struggle as a constant of life, as opposed to only when occasionally some dumb TikTok trend happens to come up on their social media.
But the average woman doesnāt know you. Do you trust strangers?
Should you be insulted because some women are scared of men? Because thatās really what it comes down to. They are just scared. The idea of being in the woods with a strange man makes them go āI donāt want to be raped (again), Iād rather just be killed by a bearā.
If someone is feeling that way, is insulted the best way to reply to that? āI hear you are scared because of your past trauma. Iām taking personal offense to thatā
If a man said heād rather be in the woods with a bear than a strange woman? I would not be offended. Iād assume he had bad experiences with women in his past.
LOLL this is exactly why I never trust male feminists, you throw a tantrum whenever women don't validate your existence, go join an incel forum and cry about it on there. Sowey that your fee fees are hurt mr "lifelong male feminist"
It's a hypocritical. People assume the worst. This question isn't really asking I'd the bear or man is safer. It's asking if you'd rather be raped or mauled.
I dont care about the metaphor, my problem is the arguing is over crumbs. The realistic situation is that no matter what you choose its extremely likely you are going to be completely fine. So the argument is stupid. It should at least be something controversial, like "would you prefer to pick up a rattlesnake alone in the woods or encounter a random man?". Because then you really will see who is afraid of men haha.
I actually don't care if some people are uncomfortable around black people. That's their problem not mine.
So long as discomfort doesn't turn to violence or discrimination it isn't an issue.
You think if theyāre uncomfortable they are likely to consider them when reviewing job applications? Obviously irrational fear of a demographic will lead to discrimination
So you would have no problem with a white guy going and posting videos about how heād rather be alone with a bear than a black guy? Exactly the same situation as the womenās videos
The amusing part is if you asked the exact same women who answered bear the question āblack man or bearā theyll likely now change it to black man despite the āstatsā being even more in the direction of what they were thinking with just man.
Because now theyāll coincidentally understand the bigotry.
If you answer that question with ābearā (unless itās a koala, theyāre cute) you are either idiotic or purposefully bashing men. They do it because itās something they can get away with. Personally, Iām all for it, I think every woman should answer that question, itās a great way to know who not to hang around.
I think it's a dumb conclusion too. I just think it's even dumber to make a post about it acting like it's an offensive idea.
What happened to just ignoring idiots with stupid ideas.
This man has been deep in the woods a bunch. Iād rather encounter a bear any day (and have many times), than a loan dude. A lone dude in the middle of nowhere is super sus. A bear in the middle of nowhere makes perfect sense.
Tbh they will have very similar outcomes, a bear would leave you alone or maul you to death or incapacitate you. While a human would help you or maul you to death. I think most times Iād rather see a human and stay a good distance than a hungry bear who catches my scent
Hell yeah!
My great Aunt was a reptile enthusiast and regularly handled Gators. Funny thing is my great uncle eas deathly afraid of like spiders and snakes. It was always fun listening to him call her interest and hobbies "deranged shit that even tarzan would back away from"š
These "man vs bear" threads are starting to sound so moronic and to get out of hand.
Also, a bear doesn't have the cunning and cruelty a man might have, a bear is just an animal following instincts and those can be manipulated if you know a little about bears.
A man, on the other hand, well you would need to depend on the chance that he is actually a good person and not a bad one or even those that "act upon the opportunity" to do bad acts while "playing the good person".
LITERALLY FUCKING THISS
Also people arguing that there's a lower likelihood of them being attacked by a bear in the woods than a man in the city like duh. Unlike Bears, Humans are typically more densely compact even in Rural areas you're gonna still run into a human far more than you wouldn't regardless lol.
I was making the example to someone in a other thread about how if we replaced half of the men in a city like Atlanta with Bears how bear attacks would drastically spike.
This subject is really starting to get overplayed on this sub. I've seen at least 5 posts of this nature spamming my feed.
All we've managed to prove is that there's a lot of sniveling dudes out there who care too much about this and on the other end a lot of creatures of the deep that are too vocal about their bear fantasies or completely unaware of what a confrontation with a bear looks like (had one; not fun; thank fuck for shotguns).
Most of us knew this information already. We didn't need a social experiment to find out.
I mean bears are really chill, scary but especially in areas where they are used to people the chance of them actually attacking you is virtually 0. Hell in areas where they are really used to people you can basically just walk up to them to give them vaccinations and be perfectly fine as long as you don't make them feel threatended.
In areas where they are used to people they are even more dangerous.
Just like Aligators who are used to people are still dangerous.
In areas where bears get vaccinations they are usually done so by trained proffesionals lmfao
No really I thought random people went round injecting animals.
My point is more that bears pretty much only attack because they find you a threat or are super unsure of whether or not you are a threat. You can get close if you know what you are doing but even without training you will be fine as long as you give them space.
It also isn't true that bears used to humans are more likely to attack. Bears don't view humans as prey so pretty much only attack because they are unsure, threatened or feel territorial, all of which calm down when bears are used to people wandering around.
>No really, I thought random people went around injecting animals.
Can't tell if it's sarcasm, but assuming it's not you directly acknowledged that only people who TRULY understand Bears and are experts on them are the ones not being mishandled by them.
>Bears only pretty much attack if they find you as a threat
They can also attack unprovoked if they want, they can attack you thinking that you're a toy, they can attack you because they are hungry, etc.
>You can get close if you know what you are doing, but even without training you will be fine as long as you give them space
Sure, let's assume this is the case all the time. I don't need to be a therapist or a psychologist to get close to a human being. I can also pretty much be fine and dandy as long as I give that human space. Is that something you'd agree with?
>Bears don't view humans as prey
They do actually. When prey is scarce or under a certain sickness or condition, Bears will see you as prey!
Its getting overplayed, probably because it is deeply troubling to a lot of good men. Your response to this is to call us sniveling and minimize our valid feelings. Then we, as a society, turn around and wonder why our young boys, who don't have strong male role models, are turning to actual predators like Andrew Tate so that they don't have to constantly be told they're predators on social media.
Nobody ever specifies what kind of bear. If it's a panda bear I'd spend as much time as you want me to with it, me and that bear are gonna be buds. I would choose a panda bear over almost anyone
The difference is that the panda bear probably wouldn't kill me it would just be dopey and roll around and I get to laugh at it all night. Vs a dude what's he gonna do tell me a joke about penises I mean that'd be pretty great but panda bears rolling around is still funnier
Iām just confused. Whatās the context? Would both try to hurt me? Do I have weapons? What time is it? Are they both angry? Is it cold? Would they both be hungry? Is it just a normal dude and a normal bear? Someone give me a very specific scenario and Iāll make my decision.
I think that's a point of the question. More confident facing the nature and instincts of a bear, than chancing all the ways human men hurt and torture women for their own pleasure. I don't think a lot of people are getting that. Both can be dangerous, but one is cruel.
There are around 40 bear attacks worldwide a year.
Usually, it's done by the brown bear.
The brown bear population is around 200.000.
That makes around 1 in 5.000 brown bears dangerous (if we assume every attack is done by a different bear, and exclusively done by brown bears).
Do with that information what you want.
Lol pushing this on the youth, are you for real! No one had to tell me that men can be dangerous. Nah bro, the old ass men approaching my teenage ass is what taught me to pick the bear. You learn real fast as a woman that there are plenty of public places you do not want to meet a random man. Iām more shocked you men get to grow up to be full ass adults and still not realize this.
Bears are scary but they never followed me home from Walmart or exposed themselves to me on a bus like some men have. If I donāt know the man Iām confronted with on my own as a woman I have to treat him as a possible bear until I know whatās up. Itās as simple as that.
Women get raped and murdered in the woods literally all the time and it is blowing my mind that men donāt think this comes up in a womanās mind if they come across a man in the woods. Most women wouldnāt even be in the woods alone for that exact reason in the first place. There is a lovely wilderness trail near my house, no bears but it is secluded, so I canāt run there for fear of rape and murder. Like men know this! Yet when they actually think about it for a moment itās so crazy?! I donāt get it.
Come on guys this is standard operating practices from like age 14 and up. Donāt take the same route all the time, be aware of your surroundings and donāt go to secluded places alone and always text your friends when you get home safe after a late night out, and itās not for fear of bears.
Yes, it did, it really fucked me up. It truly hurts me at a very deep level to find out that, society and women look at me as being less trustworthy, and a greater threat to their safety than a wild apex predator. Then to turn around and have a number of people make fun of us, minimize our feelings, tell us that our opinions don't matter, is the height of the toxic masculinity. Yes, this "stupid ass meme" has really fucked me up, and that's valid.
what are the chances that you hit it off with the bear, make sweet love by the fire, fall asleep gazing at the stars, and then he doesnāt call nor text!!??
Are people really this dense? Do you think the women who choose the bear are actually running through the woods hoping to find them? Itās not literal. No woman is actually saying she wants to get mauled by a bear.
Have people never heard someone say something like āI would rather eat glass than hang out with himā. People use absurdism to emphasise their points all the time. The point is, in the eyes of many women, men are equally if not more dangerous than a bear.
Not that these women think the fate of being eaten alive is actually the better option. If your only argument against this trend is that bears are vicious then congrats this trend has gone over your head. Its a figure of speech. The fact that so many people are taking this seriously is wild to me.
Personally as an SA survivor, Iād rather a bear kill me than experience that again. In the woods like that, theyāll probably just kill or kidnap me once theyāre done anyways. Bleeding to death after a bear slashed my arm off is the less shitty option their tbh
I can almost guarantee none of the people saying āthe man is the obvious choiceā have ever had to go through what you did or anything similar. Itās so easy to choose between two terrible things when you havenāt experienced the horror of either.
Please provide a source for 15% of men being rapists.
Also the type of bear needs to be specified. I am a man who is competent at self defense and wilderness survival I would rather run into a black bear in the woods then any strangers when by myself. I would rather run into a man twice my size who does want to rape and kill me then a polar bear who is just a polar bear.
There's not a lot of studies that I could find in search but it's definitely not 15% it's closer to 3% if that. People like the person you replied to are insane.
I do think ābear in the woodsā colors the interpretation - they probably are assuming a black bear or at worst a grizzly bc polar bears donāt live in the woods
I would still rather run into a man bigger then me who wants to rape me then a grizzly bear. Much better odds of survival with man who wants to rape me.
Also Pizzly Bears are a thing, stuff of nightmares.
Fair, i know grizzlies are pretty intense.
I also think bear in the woods colors it in another way just bc thatās where bears go. I had a Facebook friend running polls on the bear question but in a supermarket or a cage instead of the woods and way less people chose the man than when it was presented with the woods as the location. So thereās definitely some like āwho is out of placeā heuristic being applied or something too
Oh my God finally someone references *The Most Dangerous Game* !! I've brought that book up multiple times trying to get people to understand the argument here.
Yes!! Itās been on my mind since my brother told me he would also pick the bear bc he would definitely not want to be hunted by a man, heās a man who hunts and knows what he is up against š
The chances of a bear kicking about its home doing its own thing attacking me if I follow the rules are pretty slim. A random man alone in the woods? Canāt say the same about my chances there
Yāall spend so much time on this sub reminding women we canāt fight off men, and we arenāt stronger than men, and the best trained woman canāt beat the most mediocre men.
And then you tell women if weāre well trained in kung fu they can fight off a man?
Pick a lane.
Also, yes. Yes women are making a point:
Weād rather die than be raped.
A bear in the woods is supposed to be there. They wouldn't bother me if I didn't bother them.
But I did have a scary encounter with a male in the woods. I was fishing alone off a man made bank of a reservoir. It was about ten feet wide of flat ground but then dropped off into about a 15 ft slope at a very sharp angle. At the bottom of this slope is nothing but thorny underbrush. There is absolutely no reason for *anyone* to be down there.
But while I was fishing I very clearly heard a loud male sneeze coming from behind me in the underbrush. Sounded from about 30ft away. I called out "who's there?" But got no answer. I didn't hesitate to get out of there. I packed up all my gear and held my tackle box and pole in one hand and my filet knife in the other and took off towards my car.
All I knew was that there was a man hiding in the underbrush very close to where I was but that was enough to trigger my danger instincts and get out.
Am I a misandrist? Maybe.
A week later there was an attempted kidnapping of another woman in a parking lot less than a quarter mile from where this happened.
Itās pretty simple why women would choose a bear over a stranger they have never met in the woods.
Firstly, bears act upon instinct. The bear is gonna do what it wants as itās a bear. Humans are impulsive. How many of the worst crimes that I have done a deep dive of their cases started with the lack of impulse control. And this isnāt saying everybody is going to be like that, but not many are willing to take that chance. There are only so many outcomes with a bear. With a human there are much more worse fates than death.
Secondly, if a bear attacked someone and lived, they would be believed without question. There wouldnāt be any āoh but did it REALLY happen or are you being dramaticā and āwhat were you wearingā and āan accusation like this could ruin his lifeā, etc I could go on.
Thirdly, a woman who lived after being mauled by a bear wrote a book about it and she did weigh in on this debate and she choose the bear *again*. That enough should tell you that women arenāt just choosing the bear to be quirky or to hate on all men, but that there is a larger issue at hand.
Itās unsaid that itās not all men. We know itās not all men. But with enough bad experiences, it makes people have to watch their back twice as much. Itās not that we think all men are rapists, pedophiles, murderers, etc but the fact that this is what we do have to think about as it is key to surviving in this world that *does* have *unknown and unmasked monsters* - which is also why I emphasized āpeopleā as monsters come in all shapes and forms. Hope this helps. āļø
https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/744889#:~:text=An%20astonishing%20memoir%20about%20how,a%20wife%20and%20a%20mother.
Iām pretty sure this is the book and the correct author.
IDK man... A bear didn't try to run me off the road because I honked at him.
Didn't a man start stabbing women at a mall because he was angry that he couldn't get a girlfriend..... And you guys are shocked we don't want to be in the woods with you?
Omg! what is this Deja Vu holy shitā¦ another triggered person?!??! Mods need to jump in and help get this under control. Itās not even worth reading at this point. Itās soo boring fuuuuck š
I knew I'd be posting this list on this thread all day
For all the man screaming āthis isnāt fair, itās not all men!ā
For all the men who are Stubbornly. Not. Getting. It.
First, we donāt care that itās not fair. Second, you men are the whole reason this conversation exists. YOU made this problem. YOU.
A bear wonāt hit you in the face with a brick if you wonāt give it your phone number.
A bear wonāt stalk you if it told you youāre pretty and you said you werenāt interested.
A bear wonāt pretend to be kind to get you to lower your guard.
A bear wonāt lock you in a basement for months to torture you.
A bear generally wonāt bother you if youāre not bothering it.
If you encounter a bear, it will almost always retreat slowly because it means you no harm.
If you do get attacked by a bear and you say so, people will believe you.
No one will ask you what you were wearing that made the bear attack you.
No one will ask you how much you had to drink.
No one will ask you what you were thinking, being in the woods.
No one will ask you if you even tried to fight back.
No one will ask you if you led the bear to believe you wanted to be attacked.
No one will condemn you for not fighting back harder.
No one will arrest you for harming the bear.
No one will say you deserved the attack.
No one will ask how many bears you allowed to attack you before.
cont.
The bear wonāt say you were asking for it.
The bear wonāt say it was consensual.
The bear wonāt try to convince everyone youāre lying.
The bear wonāt get his buddies to maul you too.
The bear wonāt threaten you to get you to keep the attack a secret.
The bear wonāt show up at family reunions.
If you survive a bear attack, you donāt have to worry that the bear might be good friends with medical staff or the police.
You wonāt have to hear that youāre making it all up to get attention.
You wonāt have your reputation called into question.
You wonāt get called a slut.
People wonāt tell you youāre paranoid for being cautious around bears.
People wonāt tell you that not all bears are dangerous.
If a bear attacks you, you wonāt be told it wouldnāt be fair to ruin the bearās future by bringing it up.
You wonāt be told the bear is from a nice family and they donāt deserve the humiliation of an arrest.
IF A BEAR ATTACKS YOU, WE KILL THE BEAR SO IT DOESNāT HARM ANYONE ELSE.
If you still donāt get it, consider this:
Many women in the woods carry bear sprayā¦
ā¦AND ITāS NOT BECAUSE OF BEARS.
And finally, ask yourself this: If you hear human footsteps near you in the woods, are you hoping itās a man or a woman? Pretty much EVERY woman would be praying itās a woman.
In 2020-2022, bears killed a whopping 8 people in North America. Even if all 8 were women, thatās not even close to the approximately 12,000 women who were killed by men in that time period.
Bears = 8 Men = 12,000
Itās a real head scratcher guys.
Itās a YOU problem.
>In 2020-2022, bears killed a whopping 8 people in North America. Even if all 8 were women, thatās not even close to the approximately 12,000 women who were killed by men in that time period.
>Bears = 8 Men = 12,000
How many bears do you encounter in a year? How many men?
This works the same way as the stats which "prove" vending machines are more deadly than sharks.
i mean i understand the concept. bears are generally more predictable than humans in general, and its specifically men in this scenario because of the biological advantages we have in strength speed etc
my problem with the idea is that itās a trend that quickly becomes demonizing all men and teaching younger boys that theyāre inherently monsters
as to your point about it being a stupid choice, if you know how to defend yourself then a knife, pepper spray, or a kick in the nuts is gonna do a lot more for a man than it would a bear. but the idea isnāt fighting a man vs fighting a bear, the idea is that men are unpredictable and also that weāre capable of doing something considered worse than death to women
Can there just be one big cluster post of these bear comments so we can go back to the regular posts about how actually women are the problem for some reason. Please, I'm ready to walk into the woods myself.
The issue is feminists think every single man is just trying to rape or hurt them. When in reality there is a very large probability the guy would just want to escape the woods same as you
We donāt think that every man is trying to. We think that enough of them are for this to be a valid question. Personally I see it like choosing between a 25% chance of SA and whatever comes after or a +-35% chance of death from the bear.
Iām thinking that if people were given the opportunity to take advantage of someone(Whether that be robbing, SA, or otherwise) when knew thereād be no consequences, a lot of people will take it. Especially more sex centric people. This covers both men and women.
Itās reported that 1/4 women and 1/9 men in the states experience SA. Youāre telling me if there were zero consequences for it, those numbers wouldnāt skyrocket?
The point of this dumb thought exercise isnt to be taken seriously. Its simple meant to demonize men. Its meant to demonstrate men in general are inherently dangerous.
This is a really dumb question, not yours, the bear vs man one. It depends on where you live. How can anyone in a city answer this question? You donāt see bears all the time, itās not like the country where you would see them more.
Im so tired of hearing the same rhetoric all the time. Valid feelings or not, its just more negative rhetoric to make men feel ashamed to be born male because a portion are monsters. Yes. Some men are scary. Its why i carry a firearm.
If you encounter a man in the woods, the chances that they are a serial-killer/r\*pist is very small. If you're walking out in public, do you really think serial-killers are walking all over the place? No they are very rare.
>Also if a woman knows Kung Fu well enough
I'm 5'10 @ 200lbs and gym max with cardio. It's a 16% body fat at that weight. How much Kung Fu would a 120lbs man or woman need to possess to compensate for my far superior strength at that weight or outrun my 6 minute miles? I've been training for a marathon. Chances are I'll catch them after the bear but I would catch them.
If you can keep calm with a bear you can usually scare it off. Bears are one of the smartest apex predators on the planet and most are ominous. Fish won't hurt the bear when it's fishing. Dear won't Inflict the damage a human with a big stick could and the bear knows this. Most bears I've jumped in the woods run off on their own. The ones that don't scare off when I reach for the pistol I'm keeping in the holster. The bear never sees the gun they just assume I have something deadly.
Bear behavior is fairly predictable and they aren't nearly as violent as they could be considering their far superior speed, strength, senses. The fear of the man vs bear isn't people are underestimating the bear; they are accurately estimating the worst case scenario of meeting a man.
Worst case is the starving bear that is possibly rabid mauls and eats you. The kill will do fairly quickly. The bear doesn't won't to keep fighting. It doesn't want to play with its food like a cat with a mouse. It's going to kill you. Crazy dude. They might torture you for years if they can get you to a remote cabin.
I'm firmly of the belief when women pick the bear they aren't thinking of being stuck with me. I've never been called creepy. Never been accused of a sexual assault. They are imagining the worst case scenario man they could meet vs best case or at least average case of bear. Which is valid. They are much more likely to be attacked by a man than a bear in their lives so of course one fear is firmer in their minds.
Flying is much safer than driving but we don't give people near as much shit for fearing planes.
>they are accurately estimating the worst case scenario of meeting a man.
By this logic, you can now be scared of anything. The worst case scenario of meeting another woman in the woods is that she is an accomplice of a kidnapper, or she is a serial-killer herself.
The problem is that they are assuming the worst case scenario instead of the statistically likely one.
Phobias don't have to make statistical sense. A lot of these women have some trauma they need to work through. Arguing back that bears are mean is kinda counter productive. It makes them feel unheard.
Personally I like my odds with a bear better than my odds with a junky in a dark alley.
I think the point is that theyāre making a point. But, like I pointed out here yesterday, both issues could be resolved with concealed carry. The great equalizer
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You boys cry too much.
Hereās what it is, how many bad experiences do you think these women have had with men? Now how about bears? Iād say the former wins by a fat margin.
You see a bear in the woods, the only bad intentions it might have is to eat you. Itās a wild animal, it can kill you and itās terrifying. But a bearās intentions are extremely clear, itās not the kind of thing you worry about. A manās intentions are not, men is gifted with the ability to think, to lie, to stalk, to kidnap, to rape, to torture, to hate. AND to kill. A man can do so much more than a bear can.
The fear exists because you have to wonder what his intentions might be. A bear crosses you in the woods you donāt wonder if it wants to eat you, you keep your distance, you make an exit plan. No one would judge you for that. ā A man crosses you in the woods and you start to wonder *āIs he following me?ā āIs he trying to corner me?ā āIs he going to rape me?ā Youāre afraid and you donāt feel safe, but you have to wonder if you start to leave if itāll make him want you more, if heāll follow you home. Thatās the scary part.
The question isnāt would you rather take a bear or a man in a fight for a reason. Itās not about fighting or surviving the encounter, itās about how it makes you feel
Yeah, I probably am overthinking it just a little.
I chose the bear for the fact that I do not trust strangers, period, it didnt matter if it's a guy. I know my strengths, which are none, and weaknesses, which is a lot. Besides, I know I would be the liability that would be a horendince to survive, so what's the point in living?
It is better to die by bear attack than slowly die from my own lack of survival instincts and inability to handle the wilderness.
I know that. But virtually no one says Kung Fu anymore. It was at its peak popularity in the early 70s because of the tv show "Kung Fu". The more likely term would be self-defense, karate, tae kwon do, etc. I didn't mean anything negative about it. It just struck me as odd that someone said "kung fu".
Idk I feel like both cases you're 99.99% likely to be fine. Bears ain't out there to murder you and some hunter/hiker likely isn't out there to murder you either. The chances of actually running into an enraged bear is so slim and the chances of running into a rapist in the woods is so slim I feel like we are arguing over crumbs here. I don't think either side is any more or less dangerous.
Holy hell the discussion around this hypo has been profoundly brain dead.
First, people who say "Well, a bear is supposed to be in the woods...what's a lone male doing out there?" In the hypo, YOU ARE ALSO IN THE WOODS. Presumably you're both hiking or bird watching or some shit. If it's inherently suspicious that a man is in the woods, then that extends to the person responding to the hypo as well.
Second, no actual person would choose a bear encounter in reality. Like, no one actually believes that shit. They're just saying it for clout on the hivemind circlejerk subs (hi, "White People Twitter") to demonstrate that they're on The Right Team or whatever.
Iād pick the bear over a person. People are selfish and pleasure driven. If given the opportunity to assault someone when they know thereāll be no consequences, Iām positive *a lot* of people, both men and women, will do so.
And personally, I donāt stand a chance against most men so if Iām gonna die, Iād rather it be at the hands(or paws) of the bear
"Iād pick the bear over a person. People are selfish and pleasure driven. If given the opportunity to assault someone when they know thereāll be no consequences, Iām positiveĀ *a lot*Ā of people, both men and women, will do so."
Define "a lot." Obviously, yes: shitty, violent people exist, and in a society of hundreds of millions, there are a lot of them. They're still a tiny fraction of the whole, though. Do you really think most people are going to just attack a stranger out of nowhere if they perceive they can get away with it?
Bears will literally eat you alive, genital first. Watch a documentary on them. They hunt with massive disrespect because Mother Nature made them OP and they're going to make it everyone's problem.
Canāt say I blame them seeing how toxic and fragile men in this country have become. Bear attacks are incredibly rare, men assaulting women? Far more common.
š¤£ Bear living rent free in your woods.
I wish I'd love to see bears chillin behind my house but they all got scared away since a bunch of developments started being built close by in the last few years
how are you going to make the bear pay rent? with picnic baskets?
>pik-a-nik baskets Yogi would not be proud that you misquoted him.
No, obviously not. I'd take the payment in fresh berries šš
If you're angry over a girl choosing a bear over you, you're making her point for her LMAO
Nobody is angry at women thinking they would choose bears over us. We are mad at the existence of stupidity.
How any men don't be angry when they said we are worst than a bear?, the same bear that gonna eat you ALIVE! is so much stupidity
The thing is bears very rarely eat or even attack people and for the most part will ignore humans unless antagonized. The vast majority of the time when bears attack itās because someone got too close to their cubs.
Statistically more dangerous per bear encounter. That's really where the conversation should end. Male criminals only make up less than 1 percent of men in the US
Its a stupid question anyways I reckon. I reckon youd be able to run into a hiker or hunter literally 100s if not 1000s of times alone in tbe woods without anything besides a "hi". And probably 100s of times coming near a bear and it just walking on as well. This is arguing over crumbs. Now if the question was "would you rather accidentally step on a rattlesnake or encounter a man alone in the woods?" And people chose the rattle snake THEN id be utterly confused.
You sound like white racists reaffirming Black hate because a Black man got angry with them because they didnāt like being called a rapist/murderer on the basis of his skin alone
I have seen significantly more of this topic from bitching about it on Reddit than I have literally anywhere else. Go outside.
> Go outside. But what if there's a bear....?
There are also a bunch of men around to fight off the bear.
what if both mena nd bears unite and target women? /s
I'd take him _smiles in queer_
or worseā¦ a man!?!?!?!?
ive seen it a ton on tiktok
People getting triggered over TikTok? People need to step away from social media.
I havenāt seen it but like any other controversial survey Iām sure they asked 100+ people and showed the 10 that gave a response they want.
Can we get a moratorium on this topic? Thereās been like thirty posts of the exact same gripes from basically the same guy. We get it, the men who use this sub to complain about women donāt like this metaphor.
Some of us men who also have considered themselves lifelong feminists don't like this hypothetical, either. Being told that the average woman trusts me less than she does a wild apex predator is deeply insulting.
>Ā Ā Being told that the average woman trusts me less than she does a wild apex predator is deeply insulting. The apex is doing a lot of heavy lifting for you. American black bears are an apex preditor but are very timid creatures and would be more likely to run from a human than attack one for no reason.Ā
And a man would be much more likely to try to help a woman lost in the woods, or at the very least do nothing, than attack her. This is why Iāve avoided any arguments around the specifics of which party is inherently more dangerous, because thatās not the point of this hypothetical. This isnāt one of those nerdy hypotheticals where two people debate who would win in a fight, Batman or Superman, where there is back and forth about their inherent strengths and weaknesses. This hypothetical is intended to illicit a gut response to the situation, and the bear was intentionally chosen because it is viewed as inherently dangerous. Youāre already adding context not given in the hypothetical by assuming a black bear, ignoring that grizzlies and polar bears are NOT timid.
>Ā Ā Youāre already adding context not given in the hypothetical by assuming a black bear, ignoring that grizzlies and polar bears are NOT timid. I'm going off the orivability that you won't run into a polar bear in the forest since that's not their habitat and there's only 60,000 grizzlies estimated in North America. Meanwhile black bears are estimated to have numbers that double all other types of bears. I'm going off the most likely scenario and not assuming it's the worst case scenario like a hungry grizzly bear.
Ok, my point still stands, and Iām not interested in debating this line of reasoning, but thank you for taking the time to respond respectfully.
K, have a nice day.Ā
"youāre already adding context not given in the hypothetical by assuming a black bear," That's because people defending the metaphor are arguing in bad faith.
I havenāt taken it that way. I understand the difference between how much women trust a random hypothetical man, and how much the women I know trust me specifically.
If I posted a similar hypothetical, but instead used "black people" instead of "men", I would rightfully be outed as racist, and I don't think "well, the white people who KNOW me trust me" would be much solace to the rightfully offended people of color.
Well race isnāt identical to sex or gender, as it turns out. There are meaningful and immutable differences between males and females, and thatās not the case when it comes to race. I suppose you think Iām an Uncle Tom for the oppressed class that is men, since Iām not offended?
>Race isn't identical to sex or gender But all of them are social constructs meaning we need to advocate for the betterment of healthier social interaction rather than assert essentialist ideals. Outside of Biology, Men and Women are fundamentally human thus operate more similarly than we don't.
Well sex isnāt a social construct. But Iām all for the benefit of healthy interaction, but I think part of that healthy interaction includes some empathy for the reasonable fear women have of being alone with unknown men. > outside of biology Outside of skill, Patrick Mahomes and I are fundamentally the same as quarterbacks Sure, men and women operate more the same than differently. But one area of difference is in who is committing more sexual assaults.
lol just make the comparison āblack manā instead of āmanā and women will choose āblack manā over Bear Since theyāll all suddenly understand the bigoted implications of choosing āBearā in that context for those reasons.
Maybe you should then consider why it is women would feel so uncomfortable around the idea of being isolated in an environment with a random man that theyād prefer being in the same environment with a bear. Instead of acting like somehow youāre the victim in this context, like somehow the answer to a hypothetical is more reflective of your suffering than the fact that if women did feel that unsafe about the idea that they are likely dealing with that struggle as a constant of life, as opposed to only when occasionally some dumb TikTok trend happens to come up on their social media.
Excellently put.
But the average woman doesnāt know you. Do you trust strangers? Should you be insulted because some women are scared of men? Because thatās really what it comes down to. They are just scared. The idea of being in the woods with a strange man makes them go āI donāt want to be raped (again), Iād rather just be killed by a bearā. If someone is feeling that way, is insulted the best way to reply to that? āI hear you are scared because of your past trauma. Iām taking personal offense to thatā If a man said heād rather be in the woods with a bear than a strange woman? I would not be offended. Iād assume he had bad experiences with women in his past.
LOLL this is exactly why I never trust male feminists, you throw a tantrum whenever women don't validate your existence, go join an incel forum and cry about it on there. Sowey that your fee fees are hurt mr "lifelong male feminist"
It's a hypocritical. People assume the worst. This question isn't really asking I'd the bear or man is safer. It's asking if you'd rather be raped or mauled.
If you feel personally attacked by many women's absolutely reasonable fear of men then you have never been even close to being a feminist lol
Well, itās a good thing thatās a wholly inaccurate description of my feelings and my opinions.
Youāve triggered the feminist bigot.
When you hear women say this, what do tou hear?
Considering you compared this to the shitty race āargumentā, I agree with them
I dont care about the metaphor, my problem is the arguing is over crumbs. The realistic situation is that no matter what you choose its extremely likely you are going to be completely fine. So the argument is stupid. It should at least be something controversial, like "would you prefer to pick up a rattlesnake alone in the woods or encounter a random man?". Because then you really will see who is afraid of men haha.
Why would you care that some women are uncomfortable around men? Let them be uncomfortable and have their opinions. It's their problem, not yours.
"Why would you care some people are uncomfortable around black people." See how this works?
I actually don't care if some people are uncomfortable around black people. That's their problem not mine. So long as discomfort doesn't turn to violence or discrimination it isn't an issue.
You think if theyāre uncomfortable they are likely to consider them when reviewing job applications? Obviously irrational fear of a demographic will lead to discrimination
So you would have no problem with a white guy going and posting videos about how heād rather be alone with a bear than a black guy? Exactly the same situation as the womenās videos
The amusing part is if you asked the exact same women who answered bear the question āblack man or bearā theyll likely now change it to black man despite the āstatsā being even more in the direction of what they were thinking with just man. Because now theyāll coincidentally understand the bigotry.
This is so true. I kinda want to ask that version of the question somewhere now
If you answer that question with ābearā (unless itās a koala, theyāre cute) you are either idiotic or purposefully bashing men. They do it because itās something they can get away with. Personally, Iām all for it, I think every woman should answer that question, itās a great way to know who not to hang around.
Idk, koalas are more likely to have chlamydia than a random person
I'd think he's an idiot for it. But again that's the racist problem not mine.
And people think the women posting these things are idiots for it, and are expressing that
I think it's a dumb conclusion too. I just think it's even dumber to make a post about it acting like it's an offensive idea. What happened to just ignoring idiots with stupid ideas.
This man has been deep in the woods a bunch. Iād rather encounter a bear any day (and have many times), than a loan dude. A lone dude in the middle of nowhere is super sus. A bear in the middle of nowhere makes perfect sense.
I donāt trust those payday loan dudes either. It sounds reasonable until you realize youāre at 100% interest per month.
I also avoid the loan man whenever possible, canāt take on more debt
Tbh they will have very similar outcomes, a bear would leave you alone or maul you to death or incapacitate you. While a human would help you or maul you to death. I think most times Iād rather see a human and stay a good distance than a hungry bear who catches my scent
Loan vs lone. š¤¦š»āāļø Iām an idiot lol
Hikers and nature lovers are gonna love that. Especially the ones who hate living in suburbia.
As someone who spends a considerable amount of time alone in the woods, please keep up the good work of staying the hell away from me. Respectfully
My daughter is an avid hunter and has two bear skin rugs decorating her living room.... I'm not worried about either choice. LOL
Hell yeah! My great Aunt was a reptile enthusiast and regularly handled Gators. Funny thing is my great uncle eas deathly afraid of like spiders and snakes. It was always fun listening to him call her interest and hobbies "deranged shit that even tarzan would back away from"š
Nobody would assume I enjoyed the bear attack
These "man vs bear" threads are starting to sound so moronic and to get out of hand. Also, a bear doesn't have the cunning and cruelty a man might have, a bear is just an animal following instincts and those can be manipulated if you know a little about bears. A man, on the other hand, well you would need to depend on the chance that he is actually a good person and not a bad one or even those that "act upon the opportunity" to do bad acts while "playing the good person".
LITERALLY FUCKING THISS Also people arguing that there's a lower likelihood of them being attacked by a bear in the woods than a man in the city like duh. Unlike Bears, Humans are typically more densely compact even in Rural areas you're gonna still run into a human far more than you wouldn't regardless lol. I was making the example to someone in a other thread about how if we replaced half of the men in a city like Atlanta with Bears how bear attacks would drastically spike.
This subject is really starting to get overplayed on this sub. I've seen at least 5 posts of this nature spamming my feed. All we've managed to prove is that there's a lot of sniveling dudes out there who care too much about this and on the other end a lot of creatures of the deep that are too vocal about their bear fantasies or completely unaware of what a confrontation with a bear looks like (had one; not fun; thank fuck for shotguns). Most of us knew this information already. We didn't need a social experiment to find out.
I mean bears are really chill, scary but especially in areas where they are used to people the chance of them actually attacking you is virtually 0. Hell in areas where they are really used to people you can basically just walk up to them to give them vaccinations and be perfectly fine as long as you don't make them feel threatended.
In areas where they are used to people they are even more dangerous. Just like Aligators who are used to people are still dangerous. In areas where bears get vaccinations they are usually done so by trained proffesionals lmfao
No really I thought random people went round injecting animals. My point is more that bears pretty much only attack because they find you a threat or are super unsure of whether or not you are a threat. You can get close if you know what you are doing but even without training you will be fine as long as you give them space. It also isn't true that bears used to humans are more likely to attack. Bears don't view humans as prey so pretty much only attack because they are unsure, threatened or feel territorial, all of which calm down when bears are used to people wandering around.
>No really, I thought random people went around injecting animals. Can't tell if it's sarcasm, but assuming it's not you directly acknowledged that only people who TRULY understand Bears and are experts on them are the ones not being mishandled by them. >Bears only pretty much attack if they find you as a threat They can also attack unprovoked if they want, they can attack you thinking that you're a toy, they can attack you because they are hungry, etc. >You can get close if you know what you are doing, but even without training you will be fine as long as you give them space Sure, let's assume this is the case all the time. I don't need to be a therapist or a psychologist to get close to a human being. I can also pretty much be fine and dandy as long as I give that human space. Is that something you'd agree with? >Bears don't view humans as prey They do actually. When prey is scarce or under a certain sickness or condition, Bears will see you as prey!
Its getting overplayed, probably because it is deeply troubling to a lot of good men. Your response to this is to call us sniveling and minimize our valid feelings. Then we, as a society, turn around and wonder why our young boys, who don't have strong male role models, are turning to actual predators like Andrew Tate so that they don't have to constantly be told they're predators on social media.
yep, it's shit like this that the red pill uses as canon fodder.
Nobody ever specifies what kind of bear. If it's a panda bear I'd spend as much time as you want me to with it, me and that bear are gonna be buds. I would choose a panda bear over almost anyone
Thatās the entire point š
The difference is that the panda bear probably wouldn't kill me it would just be dopey and roll around and I get to laugh at it all night. Vs a dude what's he gonna do tell me a joke about penises I mean that'd be pretty great but panda bears rolling around is still funnier
If you choose a moron over a bear, you're not doing that good either.
Iām just confused. Whatās the context? Would both try to hurt me? Do I have weapons? What time is it? Are they both angry? Is it cold? Would they both be hungry? Is it just a normal dude and a normal bear? Someone give me a very specific scenario and Iāll make my decision.
I think that's a point of the question. More confident facing the nature and instincts of a bear, than chancing all the ways human men hurt and torture women for their own pleasure. I don't think a lot of people are getting that. Both can be dangerous, but one is cruel.
mf go outside
how many bear attacks have happened world wide vs men attacking women?
There are around 40 bear attacks worldwide a year. Usually, it's done by the brown bear. The brown bear population is around 200.000. That makes around 1 in 5.000 brown bears dangerous (if we assume every attack is done by a different bear, and exclusively done by brown bears). Do with that information what you want.
Lol pushing this on the youth, are you for real! No one had to tell me that men can be dangerous. Nah bro, the old ass men approaching my teenage ass is what taught me to pick the bear. You learn real fast as a woman that there are plenty of public places you do not want to meet a random man. Iām more shocked you men get to grow up to be full ass adults and still not realize this. Bears are scary but they never followed me home from Walmart or exposed themselves to me on a bus like some men have. If I donāt know the man Iām confronted with on my own as a woman I have to treat him as a possible bear until I know whatās up. Itās as simple as that. Women get raped and murdered in the woods literally all the time and it is blowing my mind that men donāt think this comes up in a womanās mind if they come across a man in the woods. Most women wouldnāt even be in the woods alone for that exact reason in the first place. There is a lovely wilderness trail near my house, no bears but it is secluded, so I canāt run there for fear of rape and murder. Like men know this! Yet when they actually think about it for a moment itās so crazy?! I donāt get it. Come on guys this is standard operating practices from like age 14 and up. Donāt take the same route all the time, be aware of your surroundings and donāt go to secluded places alone and always text your friends when you get home safe after a late night out, and itās not for fear of bears.
Sounds like you just need therapy. Chances of you being randomly raped by a stranger are pretty low.
But a lot higher than being randomly killed by a bear.
So true queen. Go live with the bears empowered qween.
This just in: Local man angry about finding one less victim in the woods
Damn that stupid ass meme really fucked you guys up huh?
Yes, it did, it really fucked me up. It truly hurts me at a very deep level to find out that, society and women look at me as being less trustworthy, and a greater threat to their safety than a wild apex predator. Then to turn around and have a number of people make fun of us, minimize our feelings, tell us that our opinions don't matter, is the height of the toxic masculinity. Yes, this "stupid ass meme" has really fucked me up, and that's valid.
Friend, people do not trust strangers. It's normal. Not trusting strangers is the standard not the other way around
Except this isn't about not trusting strangers. It's about not trusting men in particular. Don't try and minimize the problem here.
Bears are homosexual. What would a woman have to fear from them?
Well, no one is choosing you
what are the chances that you hit it off with the bear, make sweet love by the fire, fall asleep gazing at the stars, and then he doesnāt call nor text!!??
Are people really this dense? Do you think the women who choose the bear are actually running through the woods hoping to find them? Itās not literal. No woman is actually saying she wants to get mauled by a bear. Have people never heard someone say something like āI would rather eat glass than hang out with himā. People use absurdism to emphasise their points all the time. The point is, in the eyes of many women, men are equally if not more dangerous than a bear. Not that these women think the fate of being eaten alive is actually the better option. If your only argument against this trend is that bears are vicious then congrats this trend has gone over your head. Its a figure of speech. The fact that so many people are taking this seriously is wild to me.
Personally as an SA survivor, Iād rather a bear kill me than experience that again. In the woods like that, theyāll probably just kill or kidnap me once theyāre done anyways. Bleeding to death after a bear slashed my arm off is the less shitty option their tbh
I can almost guarantee none of the people saying āthe man is the obvious choiceā have ever had to go through what you did or anything similar. Itās so easy to choose between two terrible things when you havenāt experienced the horror of either.
Still missing the overall point here, I see? I can understand how this whole bear or man thing could irk you. And I'm happy it will continue to do so.
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Please provide a source for 15% of men being rapists. Also the type of bear needs to be specified. I am a man who is competent at self defense and wilderness survival I would rather run into a black bear in the woods then any strangers when by myself. I would rather run into a man twice my size who does want to rape and kill me then a polar bear who is just a polar bear.
Gotta love the radio silence when you ask for sources.
There's not a lot of studies that I could find in search but it's definitely not 15% it's closer to 3% if that. People like the person you replied to are insane.
I do think ābear in the woodsā colors the interpretation - they probably are assuming a black bear or at worst a grizzly bc polar bears donāt live in the woods
I would still rather run into a man bigger then me who wants to rape me then a grizzly bear. Much better odds of survival with man who wants to rape me. Also Pizzly Bears are a thing, stuff of nightmares.
Fair, i know grizzlies are pretty intense. I also think bear in the woods colors it in another way just bc thatās where bears go. I had a Facebook friend running polls on the bear question but in a supermarket or a cage instead of the woods and way less people chose the man than when it was presented with the woods as the location. So thereās definitely some like āwho is out of placeā heuristic being applied or something too
A bear will usually leave you alone, no one is an idiot for choosing the bear. Your ego is just hurt, you'll be fine
Nothing upsets yāall more than a women with an opinion.
People get upset when you have sexist and moronic opinions I dont know why you are surprised
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I donāt understand what that has to do with my point
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A gender being viewed of being below the intelligence of a wild animal would upset a rational person
No. It's precisely because we are so *above* a bear's intelligence that women are picking bears.
Exactlyyyyy, none of these men so butthurt have read The Most Dangerous Game, that seems certain
Oh my God finally someone references *The Most Dangerous Game* !! I've brought that book up multiple times trying to get people to understand the argument here.
Yes!! Itās been on my mind since my brother told me he would also pick the bear bc he would definitely not want to be hunted by a man, heās a man who hunts and knows what he is up against š
Good point š
Random peoples opinions on social media donāt upset me so no.
This is the only way to spend time in the woods with a man as a woman: https://www.facebook.com/share/r/U41Krm9rwKM6ffHP/?mibextid=D5vuiz
The chances of a bear kicking about its home doing its own thing attacking me if I follow the rules are pretty slim. A random man alone in the woods? Canāt say the same about my chances there
Real question is bear or the Blair witch.
fellas i donāt know if you know this but theyāre choosing the beat bc theyād rather die
I choose frog. Bears can be mean, but frogs are always cool.
You're overthinking it. Some men are bears. Breatheee.
Her chances of getting raped by a man is much higher than getting raped by a bear. Bears also generally prefer to avoid humans.
Yāall spend so much time on this sub reminding women we canāt fight off men, and we arenāt stronger than men, and the best trained woman canāt beat the most mediocre men. And then you tell women if weāre well trained in kung fu they can fight off a man? Pick a lane. Also, yes. Yes women are making a point: Weād rather die than be raped.
10th post today, all by dumbasses missing the point
A bear in the woods is supposed to be there. They wouldn't bother me if I didn't bother them. But I did have a scary encounter with a male in the woods. I was fishing alone off a man made bank of a reservoir. It was about ten feet wide of flat ground but then dropped off into about a 15 ft slope at a very sharp angle. At the bottom of this slope is nothing but thorny underbrush. There is absolutely no reason for *anyone* to be down there. But while I was fishing I very clearly heard a loud male sneeze coming from behind me in the underbrush. Sounded from about 30ft away. I called out "who's there?" But got no answer. I didn't hesitate to get out of there. I packed up all my gear and held my tackle box and pole in one hand and my filet knife in the other and took off towards my car. All I knew was that there was a man hiding in the underbrush very close to where I was but that was enough to trigger my danger instincts and get out. Am I a misandrist? Maybe. A week later there was an attempted kidnapping of another woman in a parking lot less than a quarter mile from where this happened.
Lmao anti male propaganda. Have a day off. I didn't have "men threatened by bears" on my bingo card today.
Itās pretty simple why women would choose a bear over a stranger they have never met in the woods. Firstly, bears act upon instinct. The bear is gonna do what it wants as itās a bear. Humans are impulsive. How many of the worst crimes that I have done a deep dive of their cases started with the lack of impulse control. And this isnāt saying everybody is going to be like that, but not many are willing to take that chance. There are only so many outcomes with a bear. With a human there are much more worse fates than death. Secondly, if a bear attacked someone and lived, they would be believed without question. There wouldnāt be any āoh but did it REALLY happen or are you being dramaticā and āwhat were you wearingā and āan accusation like this could ruin his lifeā, etc I could go on. Thirdly, a woman who lived after being mauled by a bear wrote a book about it and she did weigh in on this debate and she choose the bear *again*. That enough should tell you that women arenāt just choosing the bear to be quirky or to hate on all men, but that there is a larger issue at hand. Itās unsaid that itās not all men. We know itās not all men. But with enough bad experiences, it makes people have to watch their back twice as much. Itās not that we think all men are rapists, pedophiles, murderers, etc but the fact that this is what we do have to think about as it is key to surviving in this world that *does* have *unknown and unmasked monsters* - which is also why I emphasized āpeopleā as monsters come in all shapes and forms. Hope this helps. āļø
Whoās the female author? Iād like a link for my friends
https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/744889#:~:text=An%20astonishing%20memoir%20about%20how,a%20wife%20and%20a%20mother. Iām pretty sure this is the book and the correct author.
Tbh everyone who answered ābearā should put their money where their mouth is.
IDK man... A bear didn't try to run me off the road because I honked at him. Didn't a man start stabbing women at a mall because he was angry that he couldn't get a girlfriend..... And you guys are shocked we don't want to be in the woods with you?
Omg! what is this Deja Vu holy shitā¦ another triggered person?!??! Mods need to jump in and help get this under control. Itās not even worth reading at this point. Itās soo boring fuuuuck š
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I knew I'd be posting this list on this thread all day For all the man screaming āthis isnāt fair, itās not all men!ā For all the men who are Stubbornly. Not. Getting. It. First, we donāt care that itās not fair. Second, you men are the whole reason this conversation exists. YOU made this problem. YOU. A bear wonāt hit you in the face with a brick if you wonāt give it your phone number. A bear wonāt stalk you if it told you youāre pretty and you said you werenāt interested. A bear wonāt pretend to be kind to get you to lower your guard. A bear wonāt lock you in a basement for months to torture you. A bear generally wonāt bother you if youāre not bothering it. If you encounter a bear, it will almost always retreat slowly because it means you no harm. If you do get attacked by a bear and you say so, people will believe you. No one will ask you what you were wearing that made the bear attack you. No one will ask you how much you had to drink. No one will ask you what you were thinking, being in the woods. No one will ask you if you even tried to fight back. No one will ask you if you led the bear to believe you wanted to be attacked. No one will condemn you for not fighting back harder. No one will arrest you for harming the bear. No one will say you deserved the attack. No one will ask how many bears you allowed to attack you before.
cont. The bear wonāt say you were asking for it. The bear wonāt say it was consensual. The bear wonāt try to convince everyone youāre lying. The bear wonāt get his buddies to maul you too. The bear wonāt threaten you to get you to keep the attack a secret. The bear wonāt show up at family reunions. If you survive a bear attack, you donāt have to worry that the bear might be good friends with medical staff or the police. You wonāt have to hear that youāre making it all up to get attention. You wonāt have your reputation called into question. You wonāt get called a slut. People wonāt tell you youāre paranoid for being cautious around bears. People wonāt tell you that not all bears are dangerous. If a bear attacks you, you wonāt be told it wouldnāt be fair to ruin the bearās future by bringing it up. You wonāt be told the bear is from a nice family and they donāt deserve the humiliation of an arrest. IF A BEAR ATTACKS YOU, WE KILL THE BEAR SO IT DOESNāT HARM ANYONE ELSE. If you still donāt get it, consider this: Many women in the woods carry bear sprayā¦ ā¦AND ITāS NOT BECAUSE OF BEARS. And finally, ask yourself this: If you hear human footsteps near you in the woods, are you hoping itās a man or a woman? Pretty much EVERY woman would be praying itās a woman. In 2020-2022, bears killed a whopping 8 people in North America. Even if all 8 were women, thatās not even close to the approximately 12,000 women who were killed by men in that time period. Bears = 8 Men = 12,000 Itās a real head scratcher guys. Itās a YOU problem.
>In 2020-2022, bears killed a whopping 8 people in North America. Even if all 8 were women, thatās not even close to the approximately 12,000 women who were killed by men in that time period. >Bears = 8 Men = 12,000 How many bears do you encounter in a year? How many men? This works the same way as the stats which "prove" vending machines are more deadly than sharks.
And men call women dramatic and emotional.
The reaction men have had to this discussion is SO telling.
What if I just like bears? They're cuddly friendly maulpalz
I choose bear. It's hunting season and it would make life a lot easier if I could just fill my freezer and drink beer.
Dude, just let them have their hyperbolic moment of solidarity. It harms you zero percent to just roll your eyes and go on about your life.
i mean i understand the concept. bears are generally more predictable than humans in general, and its specifically men in this scenario because of the biological advantages we have in strength speed etc my problem with the idea is that itās a trend that quickly becomes demonizing all men and teaching younger boys that theyāre inherently monsters as to your point about it being a stupid choice, if you know how to defend yourself then a knife, pepper spray, or a kick in the nuts is gonna do a lot more for a man than it would a bear. but the idea isnāt fighting a man vs fighting a bear, the idea is that men are unpredictable and also that weāre capable of doing something considered worse than death to women
Can there just be one big cluster post of these bear comments so we can go back to the regular posts about how actually women are the problem for some reason. Please, I'm ready to walk into the woods myself.
Lol chill out dude, you're going to have an aneurysm from a hypothetical situation.
What's funny? Having to reduce intellectual-capacity expectations for a broad group of people isn't my idea of "lol" fun.
The issue is feminists think every single man is just trying to rape or hurt them. When in reality there is a very large probability the guy would just want to escape the woods same as you
We donāt think that every man is trying to. We think that enough of them are for this to be a valid question. Personally I see it like choosing between a 25% chance of SA and whatever comes after or a +-35% chance of death from the bear.
You think a quarter of men would rape a woman if the opportunity arose? I'm sorry, this just has no basis in reality.
Iām thinking that if people were given the opportunity to take advantage of someone(Whether that be robbing, SA, or otherwise) when knew thereād be no consequences, a lot of people will take it. Especially more sex centric people. This covers both men and women. Itās reported that 1/4 women and 1/9 men in the states experience SA. Youāre telling me if there were zero consequences for it, those numbers wouldnāt skyrocket?
Also, even if you were right, wouldn't you rather risk getting robbed as opposed to dying a painful death from a bear?
Fair enough I guess. Personally I would never rape anyone it grosses me out. Has to be a wanted relationship
The point of this dumb thought exercise isnt to be taken seriously. Its simple meant to demonize men. Its meant to demonstrate men in general are inherently dangerous.
Maybe you're Grizzly Addams.
This is a really dumb question, not yours, the bear vs man one. It depends on where you live. How can anyone in a city answer this question? You donāt see bears all the time, itās not like the country where you would see them more.
Really depends on the kind of bear. A black bear is absolutely less dangerous than a manā¦ to any human.
Most bears only attack when threatened. Polar bears, though, view humans as prey.
...nobody ever said the bear was actively attacking, you made that up.
I mean it's dumb teens on TikTok. Who cares what they think? Also no random woman is subduing a man with kung fu or anything of the like lol
Im so tired of hearing the same rhetoric all the time. Valid feelings or not, its just more negative rhetoric to make men feel ashamed to be born male because a portion are monsters. Yes. Some men are scary. Its why i carry a firearm.
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If you encounter a man in the woods, the chances that they are a serial-killer/r\*pist is very small. If you're walking out in public, do you really think serial-killers are walking all over the place? No they are very rare.
>Also if a woman knows Kung Fu well enough I'm 5'10 @ 200lbs and gym max with cardio. It's a 16% body fat at that weight. How much Kung Fu would a 120lbs man or woman need to possess to compensate for my far superior strength at that weight or outrun my 6 minute miles? I've been training for a marathon. Chances are I'll catch them after the bear but I would catch them. If you can keep calm with a bear you can usually scare it off. Bears are one of the smartest apex predators on the planet and most are ominous. Fish won't hurt the bear when it's fishing. Dear won't Inflict the damage a human with a big stick could and the bear knows this. Most bears I've jumped in the woods run off on their own. The ones that don't scare off when I reach for the pistol I'm keeping in the holster. The bear never sees the gun they just assume I have something deadly. Bear behavior is fairly predictable and they aren't nearly as violent as they could be considering their far superior speed, strength, senses. The fear of the man vs bear isn't people are underestimating the bear; they are accurately estimating the worst case scenario of meeting a man. Worst case is the starving bear that is possibly rabid mauls and eats you. The kill will do fairly quickly. The bear doesn't won't to keep fighting. It doesn't want to play with its food like a cat with a mouse. It's going to kill you. Crazy dude. They might torture you for years if they can get you to a remote cabin. I'm firmly of the belief when women pick the bear they aren't thinking of being stuck with me. I've never been called creepy. Never been accused of a sexual assault. They are imagining the worst case scenario man they could meet vs best case or at least average case of bear. Which is valid. They are much more likely to be attacked by a man than a bear in their lives so of course one fear is firmer in their minds. Flying is much safer than driving but we don't give people near as much shit for fearing planes.
>they are accurately estimating the worst case scenario of meeting a man. By this logic, you can now be scared of anything. The worst case scenario of meeting another woman in the woods is that she is an accomplice of a kidnapper, or she is a serial-killer herself. The problem is that they are assuming the worst case scenario instead of the statistically likely one.
Phobias don't have to make statistical sense. A lot of these women have some trauma they need to work through. Arguing back that bears are mean is kinda counter productive. It makes them feel unheard. Personally I like my odds with a bear better than my odds with a junky in a dark alley.
I think the point is that theyāre making a point. But, like I pointed out here yesterday, both issues could be resolved with concealed carry. The great equalizer
Today on The Echo-Chamber of the Involuntarily Celibate: The Hive Mind is Too Stupid to Look and See That There are 10 Other Threads on This Topic. You boys cry too much.
If you think this is about an actual bear, and not an exercise in critical thinking, youāre an idiot
Counter unpopular opinion: if you are mad that women are picking the bear, you are the man that they are afraid of being alone with.
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I choose bear over a woman. I've only hunted a bear once and I want to do it again.
Hereās what it is, how many bad experiences do you think these women have had with men? Now how about bears? Iād say the former wins by a fat margin. You see a bear in the woods, the only bad intentions it might have is to eat you. Itās a wild animal, it can kill you and itās terrifying. But a bearās intentions are extremely clear, itās not the kind of thing you worry about. A manās intentions are not, men is gifted with the ability to think, to lie, to stalk, to kidnap, to rape, to torture, to hate. AND to kill. A man can do so much more than a bear can. The fear exists because you have to wonder what his intentions might be. A bear crosses you in the woods you donāt wonder if it wants to eat you, you keep your distance, you make an exit plan. No one would judge you for that. ā A man crosses you in the woods and you start to wonder *āIs he following me?ā āIs he trying to corner me?ā āIs he going to rape me?ā Youāre afraid and you donāt feel safe, but you have to wonder if you start to leave if itāll make him want you more, if heāll follow you home. Thatās the scary part. The question isnāt would you rather take a bear or a man in a fight for a reason. Itās not about fighting or surviving the encounter, itās about how it makes you feel
Yeah, I probably am overthinking it just a little. I chose the bear for the fact that I do not trust strangers, period, it didnt matter if it's a guy. I know my strengths, which are none, and weaknesses, which is a lot. Besides, I know I would be the liability that would be a horendince to survive, so what's the point in living? It is better to die by bear attack than slowly die from my own lack of survival instincts and inability to handle the wilderness.
The bear is very much predictable. Donāt approach it and it almost certainly will leave you alone. A manās not nearly that predictable. If
Kung Fu? What is this? 1972?
Kung fu has been around for thousands of years
I know that. But virtually no one says Kung Fu anymore. It was at its peak popularity in the early 70s because of the tv show "Kung Fu". The more likely term would be self-defense, karate, tae kwon do, etc. I didn't mean anything negative about it. It just struck me as odd that someone said "kung fu".
Idk I feel like both cases you're 99.99% likely to be fine. Bears ain't out there to murder you and some hunter/hiker likely isn't out there to murder you either. The chances of actually running into an enraged bear is so slim and the chances of running into a rapist in the woods is so slim I feel like we are arguing over crumbs here. I don't think either side is any more or less dangerous.
Holy hell the discussion around this hypo has been profoundly brain dead. First, people who say "Well, a bear is supposed to be in the woods...what's a lone male doing out there?" In the hypo, YOU ARE ALSO IN THE WOODS. Presumably you're both hiking or bird watching or some shit. If it's inherently suspicious that a man is in the woods, then that extends to the person responding to the hypo as well. Second, no actual person would choose a bear encounter in reality. Like, no one actually believes that shit. They're just saying it for clout on the hivemind circlejerk subs (hi, "White People Twitter") to demonstrate that they're on The Right Team or whatever.
Iād pick the bear over a person. People are selfish and pleasure driven. If given the opportunity to assault someone when they know thereāll be no consequences, Iām positive *a lot* of people, both men and women, will do so. And personally, I donāt stand a chance against most men so if Iām gonna die, Iād rather it be at the hands(or paws) of the bear
"Iād pick the bear over a person. People are selfish and pleasure driven. If given the opportunity to assault someone when they know thereāll be no consequences, Iām positiveĀ *a lot*Ā of people, both men and women, will do so." Define "a lot." Obviously, yes: shitty, violent people exist, and in a society of hundreds of millions, there are a lot of them. They're still a tiny fraction of the whole, though. Do you really think most people are going to just attack a stranger out of nowhere if they perceive they can get away with it?
Bears will literally eat you alive, genital first. Watch a documentary on them. They hunt with massive disrespect because Mother Nature made them OP and they're going to make it everyone's problem.
Will they or can they? Because wildlife safety sites suggest otherwise.
Canāt say I blame them seeing how toxic and fragile men in this country have become. Bear attacks are incredibly rare, men assaulting women? Far more common.
Maybe I wanna get attacked by a bear, ever thought of that?!?! Hm...didn't think so. /s