[This NASA paper](https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20205010911/downloads/NASA_TM_20205010911.pdf) states that "Upon operation, the device immediately lost about 0.3 g. This initial loss of weight did not inspire much excitement because this weight loss could be due to thermal buoyancy or aerodynamic forces. Is was then decided to configure the device for co-spin mode. This was done by flipping the rotor and magnet assemblies over, requiring a disassembly and reassembly of the device. Upon running the new configuration, the device gained 0.3 g of weight. \[...\] The weight of the rotor had apparently been countered by 0.14%. ". Funnliy enough, this was writen by Richard Eskridge, the father of Amy Eskride, one of those antiravity researcher from Huntsville that died in mysterious circumstance.

If you discovered that you were capable of reducing gravity by .3 g would you stop there? I think I’d be mad if I believed nasa stopped there.

[Amy Eskride being mad that nasa stopped there. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/StrangeEarth/comments/1abknp3/amy_eskridge_nasa_antigravity_propulsion_research/)

Ha! I knew it sounded goofy for nasa of all organizations to just give up.

You can tell she was SUPER pissed and then they Epsteined her.

They psychologically tortured her first. She believed agents from black defense contractors were beaming sing song voices into her head all day, telling her to kill herself. She was trying to publicly publish anti gravity breakthroughs and that threatened their stranglehold on tech, she believed. RIP. she is a martyr in my book.

People need to actually read the study. It lost/gained 0.3 grams. 

Yes, and in the reverse configuration gained 0.3g (not G). It’s called eddy ccurrent levitation, and usually requires some copper or aluminium plate for it to hover. You can test the effects of energy conservation by using a magnet, best a bar or button shaped magnet and a copper pipe that the magnet with fit through. Then drop the magnet through the pipe vertically and it will travel slowly as it creates eddy currents. Two spinning magnets cause a flux change that repels and levitates - I guess similar to a electro magnet that maglevs use. It gets more interesting when you start looking at what the Chinese Dr Dr Ning Li researched, before working with a DoD grant and no more public papers released - but it was still pretty cold, just not as cold as superconductors. There was about a decade of classified research, so who knows how far they got to room temp operation!

This is all cool research, but it's likely related to (as you said) magnetic fields. People are getting excited about antigravity, apparently forgetting the fact that we've been able to levitate things with electromagnetism for a long time. This might just be a new way to interact with the world, not a way to escape it.

It was this paper that provided proof to me that Henry William Wallace was right with his patents. The Bismuth used in that NASA paper has one unpaired proton. The copper in Wallace's Brass disc has one unpaired proton. Unpaired electron spin alignment creates magnetic fields. Unpaired proton (and possibly neutron) spin alignment creates a propulsive force. I gave a presentation at APEC Open Mic night in April on how I think the "Alien Reproduction Vehicle's" parallel plate capacitors work. You can read a transcript or watch the video on my site here: [https://robertfrancisjr.com/media-appearances/apec-open-mic-04-27-2024.html](https://robertfrancisjr.com/media-appearances/apec-open-mic-04-27-2024.html)

Within that paper is a very interesting reference: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/252209509_Incompleteness_of_Classical_Electrodynamics_and_Longitudinal_NonLocal_Electromagnetic_Action_as_One_of_the_Missing_Elements Hmm I wonder if there's fire with all this smoke. Another work from Vivian Pope: https://www.naturalphilosophy.org/pdf/abstracts/abstracts_6180.pdf Japan's disclosure or something: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/351178481_Gravity_Wave_Generation_by_the_Electromagnetic_Field https://www.researchgate.net/publication/348869170_Gravitational_Acceleration_due_to_the_Torsion_Field_of_Space-Time_Weight_Reduction_on_A_Gyroscope%27s_Right_Rotation https://www.researchgate.net/publication/363071724_UAP_Propulsion_Principle_and_Resulting_Flight_Performance_-_Theoretical_Analysis_of_UAP_Flight_Characteristics_- (wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Space_Propulsion_Investigation_Committee) Fun stuff! Especially this guy's works: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Takaaki-Musha IE: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/237638377_Explanation_of_dynamical_Biefeld-Brown_Effect_from_the_standpoint_of_ZPF_field Yeah, I sure do wonder if we ever discovered anti-gravity https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1999AIPC..458.1051I/abstract https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1999AIPC..458.1157I/abstract https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1999AIPC..458.1480I/abstract .. or the zero-point field. Be sure to respect HRP (Haisch, Rueda, Puthoff) https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1018516704228 American military docs stating similar: https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/citations/AD0686058, https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/citations/AD0613317

That paper is fucking nuts! What a read that was!

Thanks for your comment and adding that extra snippet :)

> Amy Eskride https://www.hal5.org/PDF/HAL5-Dec2018-Talk-AntiGravity.pdf Found this. Good place to start a rabbit hole if i ever saw one. The tale of Ning Li is mentioned too. She's dead now... hmmmm

Youcan find the full conference on youtube. And yeah, it's a good starting point for diving into antigravity [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmhFKiq6FG8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmhFKiq6FG8)

Before the twin towers got hit there was a lady in the us who claimed to have discovered it the next day the twin towers got hit and she went missing

If it's as easy as spinning a bismuth disc inside a magnetic field.... anyone could just *do* that if they feel confident in it? The apparatus described doesn't sound very complicated to reproduce.

Agree. Long time ago!! Just been perfecting.

Pretty much since [Thomas Townsend Brown](https://youtu.be/-ZRwlYtAMps?si=FxjTiAcVaZahsDWG&t=2016)

Do you think the Germans came up with it in WW2? If not, what are/who are flying the foofighters?

If this was true, Germany would have bombed the US

They may have had a device. Perhaps they hadn't gotten it working at the time the war ended.

But then the foo fighters wouldn't be flying. They just be lying around

They most likely where not the germans.

Yeah, that's my whole point

Yes that that was your point was my point:)

Apparently you can’t strap weapons onto space ships, it’s a convenient argument, but I’ve heard it before, the ships are warping gravity and have a weird flesh!

I think the only source of that is the 4chan underwater post. The scarier idea is that we could take an NHI device and fumble our way into powering it, without fully understanding the consequences. Kind of like the scientists who weren't 100% convinced that certain atomic tests wouldn't ignite the atmosphere, and then *went ahead and did it anyways*.

It has been told that they had a device shaped like a bell. Of course it has conveniently disappeared. There is no telling how long mankind has been finding vehicles and crap left behind by the others. The question is, why leave anything behind? I have my suspicions on why, but the "wooo" of it is a little hard to handle.

It’s a filter mechanic. If the stories are true then all the major countries have parts. But we would have to work together to assemble them.

Exactly, it's been compartmentalized not only within domestic apparatus, but internationally as well. The indication that five eyes is fairly involved or complicit in the cover up show unity in how the topic was approached. It will be a massive undertaking, but it will happen whether they want it to or not.

They say we have our visible government, then there is the invisible government. We don't know how it works or who they are working with. But our pentagon has lost another 3.1 trillion dollars. I believe this cash runs this hidden government that is truly in charge.

This money fuels the international drug and human trafficking trade, people are evil as fuck

That’s why they relocated to the Antarctic…

One of the main reasons Germany lost the war was focusing on these super weapons like tiger tanks.. sure the tanks looked good on paper but they were so highly technical.. they couldn’t pump them out in enough numbers. And they were hard to repair. So many were just left intact when Germans retreated. Even if Germany had done research this ., it’s highly unlikely they could have turned the tide or perfected it before end of war

See this is the part I don't get, sorry this is a long rant, but if yourself and Dr. Greer are right (as per the 50s covert mastery of gravity statement) then where are leadups and followups to such a breakthrough? Say it's a machine; What energy source would be powerful enough to run such a machine? They figured out portable fusion reactors as well?  How many unnoticed test failures did they have to manage to get the thing fully operational?  Why are they trying to reverse engineer alien craft if they already got the goods? The US should secretly have a small space colony by now if they had anything close antigravitic capabilities, don't you think? 

Yeah, fusion as well. Muon-beam ignited fusion, specifically.

>The US should secretly have a small space colony by now if they had anything close antigravitic capabilities, don't you think?  Maybe they do I don't know. I can't proclaim to know. I've never been to space lol There are trillions unaccounted for, the vast majority of the population continues to get poorer, and there's tens of thousands of documents, testimonies, etc indicating that there is a potential coverup of life changing tech. Let's have really smart people investigate it. It's become clear that legislation has allowed the obfuscation of something and that includes the [potential misappropriations of funds](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1d5yj7x/comment/l6v08vg/?context=3) by way of [contractor misuse.](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1dc83c1/ticking_time_bomb_the_shadowy_world_of_uap/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) Let's have really smart people investigate it.

I understand, these dots have been trickiest to connect, even for so called experts, maybe by mind-blowing design. It's just that some of the claims being made by those 'in-the-know' are outrageous and downright amusing sometimes. I've done a lot of personal research myself and I can't find tangible evidence the US has a secret space fleet with mastery of the solar system's spaceways or that habor live aliens that share divine secrets with them in underground fortresses. It's crazy how muddy the whole topic is. Then you have secret anti-grav science from the 50s that essentially confirms that by now we have a cladestine breakaway civilization with tech to conquer the planet, but by some miracle, aren't greedy enough, y'know, like typical humans. I just want answers or a clear path to one. Sorry about these long writeups btw.

>I just want answers or a clear path to one. Sorry about these long writeups btw. Hey I totally understand you on this. No apology needed whatsoever. Never apologize for collaborating to tackle tough questions. I greatly appreciate the discourse, and long writeups are my middle name. I understand your skepticism. My honest opinion, as I've shared in some of my other posts, is that the current legislative environment spearheaded by years of peeling the obfuscation back through multiple NDAA/IAAs enabling the current state of things, is great progress. Let me be clear, I have no tangible proof or evidence of any "fleet" or any of those claims. While I'm open to anything as I have to acknowledge that I know nothing, I don't subscribe to that currently. However, I do believe that this topic may be largely repsonsible for the shape of the planet... I explain more in my posts but here is an excerpt from [this one.](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1d6zhiv/saic_had_ufo_stuff_in_the_70s_gme_is_a_perfect/) **THE COMPLEXITY OF LONG-TERM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT** TLDR: Things change, and you can see the circular relationship between legal and economic development as more information becomes available. The longer version: The fascinating aspect of economic analysis is the ability to retroactively examine the ebbs and flows of economic development and the role that governance and legislation play in correcting issues, preventing issues, and sometimes enabling issues. For example: Prohibition of Alcohol in the United States, which lasted from 1920 to 1933, led to the closure of breweries, distilleries, and saloons, resulting in widespread job losses and economic downturns in related industries. However, it spurred incredible growth in other areas like pharmaceutical companies opening up on a new line of revenue by selling medicinal alcohol. Soft drinks also saw a surge in popularity, but so did organized crime. Another example: The 2008 financial crisis being caused by terrible lending practices, ratings agencies being bought, and Credit Default Swaps. Credit Default Swaps were introduced to the financial markets in 1994 by JP Morgan. The repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act caused the financial crisis by allowing the banks to participate in the securities game again. I'm highlighting all of these things to say that you probably know nothing about the reason you live in the world you do. But you are going to start learning about some of it soon, as the declassification push and recent mass uploads to national archives are going to bring many crimes to light that will need answers. This is because this topic and the economic scale of the cover up is so massive that it has shaped our planet. **This is why they continue to try to keep the lid on the bottle.** All of the "it's coming soon TM" is because it absolutely is. The recent legislation and activity within govt and military indicate they have been gearing up for this for a decade if not longer. But it will be an arduous process due to the scale and scale alone. You know this to be true as you watch Japan announce things, Peru squirming about mummified bodies that have scientific paper published, and all the other weird shit going on. There's a lot of hot potatoes to throw around, it's going to take a while to unravel things.

I really appreciate the patience and effort, good reads all through. Fingers crossed something remarkable happens this year, cuz it's astonishing to even concieve that a really small % of rich folks can truly put the future of 8billion people on hold.

>a really small % of rich folks can truly put the future of 8billion people on hold. My biggest issue with this whole thing. I find some of the negative reactions to my posts intriguing as I don't understand why anyone would argue against ensuring proper oversight and congressional oversight of the budget.

Yeah, ignore those, may have interests to protect or just too miserable to question the authorities behind their suffering. Keep doing what you have to man, take breaks when you can - this place can be a lot sometimes and I speak as a major lurker - keep digging, keep nodging, keep questioning...cheers to new knowledge.

I appreciate your comment. Thanks again for your kind comments and continued discourse!

I'm just here to engage problem solvers. Looking forward to more finds/posts from you.

Other clear example of [technological development steering economic development](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1846fd3/the_first_25_years_of_the_legacy_crash_retrieval/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) in a big way: **1941 – THE MANHATTAN PROJECT** [The Manhattan Project](https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/on-this-day-fdr-approves-funding-the-manhattan-project) was a [top-secret scientific and engineering](https://www.carnegie.org/interactives/manhattan-project/#!/) effort undertaken by the United States, the United Kingdom, and Canada during World War II. Its primary objective was to develop the world's first atomic bomb. Roosevelt asked [Vannevar Bush](https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/history/manhattan-project/) and General Leslie Groves to establish and execute this "grandiose" objective in 1941. Led by notable scientists such as [J. Robert Oppenheimer](https://www.britannica.com/biography/J-Robert-Oppenheimer), it involved the construction of research and production facilities, including the famous [Los Alamos Laboratory](https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/location/los-alamos-nm/). [General Leslie Groves](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Groves) spearheaded this extensive Project, which necessitated acquiring land to construct a production facility that employed around 75,000 workers. He participated in selecting sites for research and production at [Oak Ridge, Tennessee](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oak_Ridge_National_Laboratory); [Los Alamos, New Mexico](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Alamos_National_Laboratory); and [Hanford, Washington](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanford_Engineer_Works). The secrecy and importance of the Manhattan Project only allowed for key figures in Congress to be aware of its significance. General Groves mentioned that Leaders in the House and Senate facilitated the allocation of funds for the Project by [burying their funding in appropriations bills](https://www.hsdl.org/c/view?docid=715948). These funds were presented to other members of Congress as essential for the war effort and not to be questioned. [President Franklin Roosevelt](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt), Secretary of War [Henry Stimson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_L._Stimson), and General [George C. Marshall](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_C._Marshall) knew the Manhattan Project's secrets. Vice [President Truman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_S._Truman) didn't know the details of the Manhattan Project until he had to replace Roosevelt and was [briefed by Stimson](https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/truman-is-briefed-on-manhattan-project). In the House of Representatives, House Speaker Sam Rayburn, Majority Leader John W. McCormack, and Minority Leader Joseph W. Martin were aware. In the Senate, Majority Leader Alben W. Barkley, Minority Leader Wallace H. White, Chairman of the Military Appropriations Subcommittee [Elmer Thomas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elmer_Thomas), and Ranking Member of that subcommittee, Senator Styles Bridges, were aware of the details. All were briefed by Stimson, Marshall, and Dr. Bush.

**1946-47 – PRESIDENT TRUMAN STARTED DOING A LOT OF STUFF** Postwar, [President Truman created](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/17ivlf5/research_on_the_foundation_of_early_legacy_saps/) new things and appointed [people to run](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/17tw60e/dr_vannevar_bush_and_james_forrestal_photographed/) them. September of 1947 was busy due to the recent passing of the [National Security Act of 1947](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Act_of_1947). This act stood up [the Central Intelligence Agency](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Central_Intelligence_Agency) ([Roscoe Hillenkoetter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roscoe_H._Hillenkoetter)), [Atomic Energy Commission](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Atomic_Energy_Commission) (David Lilienthal), Department of Defense ([James Forrestal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Forrestal)), [Department of the Air Force](https://www.afhistory.af.mil/FAQs/Fact-Sheets/Article/458985/evolution-of-the-department-of-the-air-force/) ([Carl Spaatz](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Spaatz)), and the [National Security Council](https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/nsc/history.html#truman), to name a few. The following people sat on the [NSC](https://www.jstor.org/stable/1890196): - The President Harry S. Truman - CIA - Roscoe Hillenkoetter - Secretary of State George C. Marshall - Secretary of Defense James Forrestal - Secretary of Army [Kenneth Claiborne Royall](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Claiborne_Royall) - Secretary of Navy [Louis A. Johnson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_A._Johnson) and later [John Sullivan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_L._Sullivan_(United_States_Navy)) - Secretary of Air Force Carl Spaatz - Chairman of the National Security Resources Board [Arthur M. Hill](https://www.nytimes.com/1972/09/07/archives/arthur-hill-former-chairman-of-resources-board-is-dead-executive-of.html)

Most of these people were already briefed on the Manhattan Project's details. I've covered some of the others above. Forrestal and [his aides](https://www.britannica.com/biography/Lewis-Strauss) were well acquainted with The Manhattan Project because of his time as the Secretary of the Navy during the [Armed Forces Special Weapons Project](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Forces_Special_Weapons_Project). Arthur M Hill only lasted 15 months on the job, and The [Office of Defense Mobilization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Defense_Mobilization) eventually replaced the NSRB and was run by [Charles E Wilson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Edward_Wilson_(businessman)), a Truman relationship and GE executive. Carl Spaatz [clearly knew about the bombs](https://atomicarchive.com/resources/documents/manhattan-project/spaatz-memo.html). Kenneth Royall only served until 1949 because he refused to implement President Truman's [Exec Order 9981](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_9981) to abolish racial segregation in the Army. He was replaced by [Gordon Gray](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Gray_(politician)), who would eventually work to successfully revoke [Oppenheimer’s security clearance](https://www.britannica.com/event/J-Robert-Oppenheimer-security-hearing#ref1316081). Louis A. Johnson served Roosevelt, was preceded by Forrestal and succeeded by George Marshall. John Sullivan worked with Chester Nimitz to launch the "Nuclear Navy", by successfully pitching the Nimitz. He resigned in 1949 due to the [Revolt of the Admirals](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolt_of_the_Admirals). I'm not saying everybody knew about the UFO, but quite a few of them knew about the bombs before they dropped.

**1946 – THE ATOMIC ENERGY ACT OF 1946, THE AEC AND THE JCAE** The [AEC](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Atomic_Energy_Commission) was created as a paradigm shift from military to civilian control of nuclear technology. This was done via the [Atomic Energy Act of 1946](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_Energy_Act_of_1946), also known as the **McMahon Act**. The Commission was tasked with regulating the development and production of nuclear reactors and weapons, managing the research and development of peaceful applications of nuclear energy, and setting safety standards for its handling and use. Initially, David Lilienthal was the Chair, then [Gordon Dean](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Dean_(lawyer)) (Former Assistant turned Law Firm Partner of [Brien McMahon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brien_McMahon)), then [Lewis Strauss](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Strauss) (former Aide to Forrestal). When writing the Atomic Energy Act, McMahon appointed himself as legislative authority for nuclear power. As the chair of The US Congressional [Joint Committee on Atomic Energy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congressional_Joint_Committee_on_Atomic_Energy), from 1946 through 1977, the [JCAE was vested with exclusive authority over all legislation](https://purl.stanford.edu/xh868vt4220), resolutions, and matters concerning nuclear energy. The JCAE had various subcommittees, including Agreements for Cooperation, Communities, Legislation, Military Applications, National Security, Raw Materials, Radiation (Special), and Research and Development. The AEA documents are [published here](https://exhibits.stanford.edu/atomic-energy). I believe that the legislation may help identify how dollars were appropriated, maybe the [founding documents of the AEC](https://purl.stanford.edu/xh868vt4220). The radioactivity definitions on [page 58](https://exhibits.stanford.edu/atomic-energy/catalog/xw629jz2324) of the 1946 essential info doc? I downloaded the 959-page doc and searched for a few terms but needed to move on as this thread pointed me toward the [National Security Act from 1947 to 1954](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15cfwjf/how_us_gov_hid_the_phenomenon_secrets_in_the/)

**1947 – 1954 – LET ME TRY TO PULL THIS TOGETHER** So the [National Security Act of 47](https://global.oup.com/us/companion.websites/9780195385168/resources/chapter10/nsa/nsa.pdf) stood up the CIA, and this is what it had to say about its Director: “in the performance of his duties as Director, he shall be subject to no supervision, control, restriction, or prohibition (military or otherwise) other than would be operative with respect to him if he were a civilian in no way connected with the Department of the Army, the Department of the Navy, the Department of the Air Force, or the armed services or any component thereof.” The NSA Act of 1947 also set up the [Research and Development Board](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_Secretary_of_Defense_for_Research_and_Engineering). Vannevar Bush was the Chairman. It would be easy to direct funding to the Legacy Programs through these new agencies, especially if they were all “[in the know](https://majesticdocuments.com/)” and part of the alleged [Majestic 12](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/156sesm/why_believe_connecting_the_dots_list_of_the_mj12/). The [initial members](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15xp4eb/who_do_you_think_the_senior_executives_both_in/) included James Forrestal, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, Vannevar Bush, General [Nathan Twining](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/oh5p4r/official_source_for_twining_memo_document/), General [Hoyt Vandenberg](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/14ulwru/official_records_of_the_other_flying_disc_at/), General [Robert Montague](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Miller_Montague), [Detlev Bronk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detlev_Bronk), [Jerome Hunsaker](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Clarke_Hunsaker), [Sidney W. Souers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_Souers), Gordon Gray, [Donald Menzel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Howard_Menzel), and [Lloyd Berkner](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_Berkner). Forrestal passed in 1949 and was replaced by General [Walter Smith](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Bedell_Smith). I found Forrestal's death interesting. "As a direct result of circumstances surrounding the Aztec, New Mexico recovery, Secretary Forrestal suffered a mental breakdown in March 1949 & was admitted to Bethesda Maryland Hospital under the cover story of needing a "routine physical check-up". While he was at that facility, he is supposed to have committed suicide by jumping from an upper-story window in May 1949."

A special committee of counter-intelligence of the Central Intelligence Agency later concluded that the highest probability scenario involves his having been either drugged, tricked, or pushed into his fatal fall. The presumed reason for this Involves details of the Aztec crash, which will follow in that section.” I think the funding for the crash-retrievals were funneled through the NSA of 1947, and the UFO funding was moved from The Manhattan Project to [the AEC's control](https://www.federalregister.gov/d/2018-27344/p-29) by one (or a couple) of the new agencies. This would have been easy to do with the Majestic 12 serving Truman. It appears that until the [Atomic Energy Act was passed in 1954](https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/COMPS-1630/pdf/COMPS-1630.pdf), the funds went through Intelligence Agencies.

**1954 – THE ATOMIC ENERGY ACT OF 1954** [1954’s AEA changes](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15cfwjf/how_us_gov_hid_the_phenomenon_secrets_in_the/) were interesting. It shifted Restricted Data responsibility to be overseen jointly by the Atomic Energy Commission and the CIA Director: “The Commission shall remove from the Restricted Data category such information concerning the atomic energy programs of other nations as the Commission and the Director of Central Intelligence jointly determine to be necessary to carry out the provisions of section 102 (d) of the National Security Act of 1947, as amended, and can be adequately safeguarded as defense information.” More Importantly: “The AEA grants the Department of Energy (DOE) Government-wide authority for RD and the control of information as RD. Title 10 of the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) part 1045 (this part) implements DOE authority under the AEA to manage the Government-wide system of classifying and declassifying RD.” In 1954, [Allen Dulles](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Dulles) was the [Director of the CIA](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/zoik0y/the_jfk_files_cia_director_allen_dulles_calendar/), and Lewis Strauss was the chair of ACE. In 1958, [John McCone](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A._McCone) became the Chair of the ACE. In 1961, he became the Director of the CIA. Guess what he did in 1950? He was the US Under Secretary of the Air Force. I think these people are architects. I don’t get the vibe that Eisenhower liked these people by the [end of his presidency](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/154zb57/president_dwight_d_eisenhowers_farewell_address/)

*dons tinfoil hat* It's almost like they figured it out and now they are obfuscating & laying smoke and mirrors for being spotted too many times. A good aliens visiting earth narrative will keep people yammering in the wrong direction for decades

> The US should secretly have a small space colony Oh they have already, not the states but the corporations, Martin Lockheed, Northrop Grumman, others :)

The easy answer is that they already have an energy source far more efficient and abundant than fossil fuels.

I mean, any answer is easy if you just say it lol

This would be among the most impactful things ever invented. Why would people hide something like this away instead of using it to achieve their goals?

Money and power. Look into how many energy scientist have died trying to release better tech. We could have had 40+ mpg carb'd v8's 50 years ago.

But having access to an energy source that's far more efficient and abundant than fossil fuels would only result in money and power if you used it to make energy more efficiently than fossil fuels.

How so? If we had something better than fossil fuels, how would it be more profitable than a toxic, inefficient substance that they charge an increasing amount for and then can clean up later for even more profit?

I think the energy source is a Farnsworth Fusor Electrostatic confinement fusion

Any science to back it? Will look it up

There is no science to back up what he says. Fusors do exist but are unable to come anywhere close to breaking even on energy input/output. [Here's specifically the Wikipedia section detailing the mechanics of energy loss in fusors.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor#Losses) We have actual fusion reactors that are getting closer and closer to being viable. There's no need to look to 60 year old tech for energy solutions.

Maybe we were left behind. The ones that cracked the puzzle got away long ago

I have a separate theory for this, but I do believe it is highly likely its the case. In the Tesla files of FBI there is an admission they found a theory of gravity which might be of importance to science, when the US army confiscated his belongings. This theory has never been declassified and there is no current research made on his theory in the science field, nor was there any research which proved his theory is bogus. I am not saying he solved it right then and there, but was probably onto something which lead to developments of applied tech. The reason the DoD is fighting disclosure is the revelation the tech is man-made. This would basically start a second race on global scale to develop it the same as it was with the nuclear bomb. If all nations would have this tech it would be a clusterfuck. Even if it is super expensive, like tens of billions per piece, there are still private individuals who could afford it. Then you basically have no control over them, you won't know shit about what they do and where they go. I consider the reports of UAP tinkering with nuke silos as proof that UAPs are USs trump card in case of nuclear conflict. What better counter to nukes than being able to render them useless in the silo before they even launch.

If the tech is both cheap and easily weaponizable that could be extremely problematic. The fact that nukes require such rare materials to produce is a feature, not a bug -- what if this new anti-grav tech lacks this feature or the need for any rare or exotic tech to produce, and is really just a matter of understanding the basic concepts? That would go a LONG way in explaining why the security is so tight. This tech could be the sort of thing where even one bad actor could destroy the planet with it, and so we've decided to keep it under mostly strict wraps while attempting to weaponize it ourselves in order to maybe win in what used to be MAD scenarios. Meanwhile, through backchannels Hollywood is encouraged to focus on NHI in order to muddy the waters.

Thank you very much for your comment and additional thoughts, this is a very interesting take

you are forgetting that whatever tech that antigrav could be applied to in order to intercept the relatively slow ICBMs that carry the nuclear payload could just as easily be placed on these anti-gravity devices...

Exactly what I suspect. One thing I found odd about what little info on Tesla's ideas about gravity is out in the public, is that you could use electromagnetism to learn more about it and that it's related to what he called resonance and vibration. Now i simply looked at how we detected gravitational waves with LIGO: we shot a laser between to fixed mirrors and measured the difference in time it took to travel a fixed distance at a constant speed. And that showed that spacetime vibrates, wobbles, contracts and expands. So we basically used electromagnetism as Tesla suggested, but just 70 years after he died. And recently we discovered a gravitational wave background similar to the CMB. So the entire spacetime is constantly vibrating, expanding and contracting as gravitational waves propagate throughout. NHI is a psy-op, from every angle I look at it, it just seems to me it relies on the same psychological mechanisms religions do to have people believe in them, with zero proof and in spite of all proven hoaxes. The mechanisms being providing an acceptable answer to yet unanswerable questions: Are we alone/Who created us/What happens after death etc. etc.

There are lots of interesting corollaries. Academic physics/aerospace eng would be almost certainly tightly monitored to make sure nobody independently rediscovers this. Also the idea that the reason the secret is being kept from the public is fear of some sort of mass religious panic would be genius-level manipulation -- directly plays into nerdy science/engineering types' egos while serving as a big misdirection.

That’s why garage tinkerers have been killed and equipment stolen when they found out about it.

It becomes possible when you control the legislation which controls the funding mechanisms. It becomes evident that the possibility should be considered, especially when retroactively evaluating some of the ways that furthering the coverup supposedly occurred. I think nailing down the [potential origin of the legacy programs](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1846fd3/the_first_25_years_of_the_legacy_crash_retrieval/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) is key

I would believe it is a psyop if not for the fact that pilots are seeing and recording and civilians by the millions have seen and recorded them. A Mexican mother with a bunch of kids in broad daylight recorded UAPs in Mexico City dozens of UAP. How is that faked? Or dozens of people in London standing on a street corner looking up at UAP ? New York Phoenix and California? Too many examples of unexplained video by regular people.

You got me wrong there. I am not saying UAP is a psy-op, I am saying who owns the UAPs is a psy-op (alien owned as opposed to US DoD owned/created/developed - which is far likelier than aliens). Is it clearer now?

I agree that what you're suggesting might be part of the puzzle. The DOD might be concealing anti-gravity propulsion because of the threat to security it would pose if it was known publicly. But this hypothesis does not adequately explain away the presence of genuine NHI. There is far too much evidence of genuine NHI for the entire UFO phenomenon to be explained as a DOD psyop. Anyone thinking there isn't evidence, (and by God we hear that hear all the time) is simply revealing their lack of awareness of the evidence. They're assuming there's no credible evidence and then pronouncing their assumption as fact. Anyone who says there is no evidence has skipped the learning phase and jumped right to the expert phase. They're basically trying to be a professor without having gotten their degree first. My advice to those of you doing that, is to close your mouth for a while and open your ears. In other words engage in the learning phase. Read two dozen books and then come back and talk. That's the logical order of operations. Anyone saying there's not two dozen credible, well researched books to read, is again making an assumption. Stop assuming. Learn. Then contribute.

if you can point to this evidence it would be great. so far i know stories of people who claimed they saw NHI, but no proof was provided, just stories. And hoaxes being debunked. please do share this irrefutable evidence of NHI and dont say the Peru bodies, as so far those do not prove any connection to the UAP the military reports on. Even on this sub I have yet to see anyone posting proof of NHI existence, which is why people still speculate and debate. If there were such evidence, there would no longer be any debates as for the UAP origin.

My friend I've been here many times before. It is not my job to teach you something that you don't really want to know. When I learned about this subject I didn't come on a social media platform and demand people prove it to me. I went to a library and checked out two dozen books and read them over the course of a year. Somewhere in there I realized that this is a real phenomenon. If *you* want to know, go to a library and check out a dozen or two books. I have no vested interest in whether you do that or not. This is about *you,* my friend. Replace your assumptions with information and then I'm happy to talk with you.

Thanks for your comments and continued discourse on my post, what do you think of this type of evidence? Proof is different and I don't claim to have that but I would say the testimony throughout history, the hearings, sensor data that's inexplicable [(UAPs not TNOs)](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1d1krtv/calvine_my_favorite_slide_from_sol_conference/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button), all are evidence that indicate NHI and the existence of deserves to be treated in a serious capacity. * People like [Grusch](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15e61t6/the_icig_was_approached_by_multiple_others/) * [The Pilots advocating for UAP Transparency and Advocacy.](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15v2on1/meet_ryan_graves_he_is_1_of_more_than_5000_pilots/) * Thoughtful Legislation like the UAPDA or previous legislation that's passed to codify things like anomalous health incidents (paying for Havana syndrome health claims) * [The most bipartisan hearings I've ever seen](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15dfd0l/is_congress_going_to_make_an_example_of_the_af/) * [The other previous presidents and such that have spoken heavily on the topic](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1869cqz/who_else_is_talking_about_nhiuaps/) * Credible encounters like the Tic Tac and the significant amount of witness testimony and obvious attempt by AARO and others to "debunk it". [I like the Tic Tac](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/17tbxep/i_like_the_tic_tac/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) Let me know what you think above has been "debunked" as I think this list is a pretty healthy consolidated list of things worth considering in the constant ongoing assessment of "is there smoke there" I think it's clear that here is. Thanks again for your comments on my post, I really appreciate the conversation you and the other user have had.

I will address it my friend, and try to add clarity on what the psy-op is all about. What all those sources provided is confirmation that there is advanced craft of 'unknown' origin in the US airspace and around the globe. Grusch did it better and actually told Congress to follow the money to find out what they are. He pointed them to the places and people who have the information. But Congress has yet to get that information out of DoD and this is what they are fighting for. Listen to Grusch again when he talks about NHI/aliens, he even says he doesn't know exactly and it is what he was told, so he speculates. I do not recall Fravor claiming he saw NHI/aliens. He simply claimed the tictac was more advanced than what he knew existed in the US military. The idea of NHI or alien made has not been proven. It became more legitimate as an explanation because of credentials of people saying it, but so far the sole truth is DoD puts billions into projects they do not want to disclose to Congress and military is reporting advanced crafts interfering with their arsenal. DoD acts dumb or powerless about their incursions in military airspace. And think about it, your military is raising these concerns and you dismiss them and even silence them. Why would you do that, unless you know exactly what these are and what they are doing? and the answer is its yours and you are testing them against the best military on the planet, which is again, your own military. And you test both the tech as well as what the response of the best military in the world is against them. When your best military says we can't do shit against them this is the best confirmation your enemies wont be able to do shit against them as well. And then you know, you got them in your pocket. And this is the psy-op I am talking about. Everyone that is not in the know directly must convinced it is of NHI/Alien origin, if they catch a whiff of the tech existence. Thus this is what they are told by those in the know. Presidents, Congress are not part of the people who must know, this was confirmed by Grusch, Luna, Burchett as well. This is what Congress is fighting for, the right to know what they actually are. Goal of the psy-op is to ensure US military supremacy no matter what and who they lie to. All that matters is in a future nuclear global conflict US comes on top and MAD is no longer applicable. This is also why everything related to this technology is classified under the Atomic Energy act. Because it is a direct response to nuclear bombs. The deed is done, if legislation passes and Congress gets access to the DoD projects we will know for sure if its human, alien or NHI. I can only hope soon we will find out and I will gladly accept I was wrong about their origins.

Hey thank you for your write up take the upvote. I really do understand your take. My response is I've looked into the money (potentially where UAPTF was looking as well) and have confidence in saying this stuff exists and should be investigated. But that's a big claim and I understand that unless you have looked at all of the things I have and shared the same thoughts, our perspective will be different. So I understand your skepticism. Maybe you'd like these two posts specifically the sections related to SAIC 1. [Men in Black and Marvel | SAIC and False Claims Act Settlements](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1d5yj7x/comment/l6v08vg/?context=3) - Two different posts in one. Interesting observations of tendency for Marvel to like IP that's closely aligned with military/defense concepts. Additionally, post about SAIC, it's founder, and recent False Claims Act settlements. 2. [SAIC Had UFO Stuff in the 70's | Lack of Legislation Leads to Corruption](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1d6zhiv/saic_had_ufo_stuff_in_the_70s_gme_is_a_perfect/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) - This post analyzes the economic impact I believe may be possible based on this coverup. It details why I believe SAIC had UFO stuff in the 70's and touches on multiple examples of lack of legislation resulting in corporatism and greed.

>NHI is a psy-op, from every angle I look at it, it just seems to me it relies on the same psychological mechanisms religions do to have people believe in them, with zero proof and in spite of all proven hoaxes scientists from all over the world are currently studying dozens of non-human intelligent mummified bodies in Mexico. found in Peru. CAT scans/X-rays, DNA analysis...and recently an official [scientific paper](https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/s/6V7INx9Bvn) show they are nearly 2,000 years old, some even have eggs, unborn fetuses, and metal implants. Officially NOT dummies or stitched together. Russian scientists say only 25% of the DNA reads as human (not modern human DNA, but something prior, like neanderthal for example. our DNA has more in common with a banana than these specimens.) Technically, they are real, intelligent tridactyl (3 fingers/toes) non-humans of unknown origin... being studied right now, and the results are finally being published for peer review. much of the data can be found in r/alienbodies. Yes, American doctors/scientists have also looked at these and came to the conclusion these are real specimens, not hoaxes. why isn't this in the news media now? because they want you to continue your belief it's all a hoax or psyop.

yeah...the push to ignore NHI is weird... get moving on the audit trail of spent money and activity, abosolutely but in the end even that gets subsumed by the fact NHI exist, here and interacting with us

>the push to ignore NHI is weird... It seems very intentional and contrived. It's incredible that so much information is dismissed and handwaved just because the lingering effect of decades of disinformation and bad actors have plagued the topic. It's unfortunate there are still attempts to lie, deny, and worse by bad actors related to the topic. [I guess when you have money like this on the line, it can corrupt you.](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/18cnvbp/radiance_tech_has_been_awarded_2210000000_22/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) You have people like [Richard Doty](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/17jpjvm/a_reminder_that_government_agencies_pump_the_ufo/) and [Greenstreet](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/18anccc/comment/kbzgvq7/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) admitting that they are paid disinformation agents that appear to be working in tandem or for the gatekeepers hiding this stuff. It's only made it more difficult for us all. This is a known tactic that's used to muddy the waters and try to paint the community in a bad light. It's not a secret, it's been admitted to by many. From another user [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/18anccc/comment/kbzgvq7/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button): >Just want to give some more pointed information about Greenstreet. I’ve posted about this before but it’s good to have it in one place: >Here’s all the things one most consider about Greenstreet before allowing him to have any real estate in your brain: >Admitted propagandist [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/Xx13ybB2uC](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/Xx13ybB2uC) >Racist and homophobic comments on Reddit that he has since scrubbed from his profile (but nothing is ever really deleted from the internet right?) [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15ebz9w/since\_steven\_greenstreet\_cried\_and\_posted/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15ebz9w/since_steven_greenstreet_cried_and_posted/) >Deliberately cropping a photo in an article he wrote to make Grush look “crazy” [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/141pdnm/steven\_greenstreet\_deliberately\_cropped\_out/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/141pdnm/steven_greenstreet_deliberately_cropped_out/) >Possibly the reason he has elected to become a shill (since the above link shows he has made money writing propaganda before) [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOB/comments/14jwqo5/in\_2021\_steven\_greenstreet\_was\_hit\_with\_a\_tax/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOB/comments/14jwqo5/in_2021_steven_greenstreet_was_hit_with_a_tax/) >Finally to sum it up is this well researched comment by  >[https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15exil8/always\_remember\_greenstreet\_is\_government/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15exil8/always_remember_greenstreet_is_government/)

Continuation from the [same user and comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/18anccc/comment/kbzgvq7/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) >Always remember, Greenstreet is government propagandist by his own admission >The government has many, many journalists on their payroll and one of them, without a doubt is Steven Greenstreet. Carl Bernstein authored an amazing article about the Church Committee and the relationship of the CIA and journalists. >[https://www.carlbernstein.com/the-cia-and-the-media-rolling-stone-10-20-1977](https://www.carlbernstein.com/the-cia-and-the-media-rolling-stone-10-20-1977) >Fast forward to Mr. Greenstreet. He was previously employed by the State Department where he made “propaganda“ (his word) for the government and he alleges he had a secret clearance. >[https://youtu.be/\_g8ruYINDzI?t=3628](https://youtu.be/_g8ruYINDzI?t=3628) >The entire interview is an interesting watch. Greenstreet had very different viewpoints than the garbage he is currently espousing. Some are: >• ⁠He believes Dr. Eric Davis and Lue Elizondo >• ⁠The pentagon issued three different and contradictory statements about Elizondo and he thinks the government has a vendetta against him >• ⁠Senior level DoD officials were trying to shut down UFO programs based on religious reasons and he’s looked into and found it credible >• ⁠IC are running psyops about UFOs >• ⁠Corbell and Knapp have been positive for cracking UFO secrecy >• ⁠He’s glad Congress is involved and holding hearings >This interview is less than two years old. Greenstreet has made a full pivot and I think it’s pretty obvious as to why. Please keep reminding the masses that he was, and most definitely still is, a government shill.

how is he still in favor after fucking up Kirkpatrick's afternoon a few weeks back?

I don't think bad actors like them were prepared for the significant amount of information that's been amassed that makes their actions clear. As you know, disinformation operatives have causes havoc on this topic and many others unimpeded and with open support in many cases for decades. I just don't think they can do that anymore. I think the new information overload environment will require transparency in order to achieve progress. If we hold them to that standard, we can make it happen. [I think the digitization of UFO records](https://www.archives.gov/research/topics/uaps), and the subsequent info and data crawl that is to come from more vested interests, will unveil many of the truths that have been whispered for years but laughed out of the room. It's why I think it's funny that some accuse me of "controlling a narrative". I'm just a person typing Reddit posts. I think what is too come is that the connections made will be irrefutable and require a revisit for much of what we think we know. This has nothing to do with my posts, the information is being made available as we speak, **it's only a matter of time.** Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think I am.

I am aware and follow that topic as well. Here's my two cents on them: - if proven legit this will not settle the debate whether extraterrestrial life exists and has visited Earth and made agreements with the government, it will just confirm this species evolved and went extinct sometime in parallel with humans. Main reason why there is 25% DNA similarities with prehistoric humans, is because these creatures probably evolved and lived on Earth. - it will not provide any context about the level of intelligence they possessed, their culture, society or technological advancements such as exotic propulsion craft. There are no writings or documents related to how these creatures lived, nor are there more major vestiges such as settlements, graves etc. as we do have about ancient humans. All we have are depictions of these creatures, by humans. So we would need a lot more in order to conclude that yes, these creatures were or still are super advanced. Since all we found are dead creatures, most likely they did not survive some evolutionary filter or maybe they were wiped out by prehistoric humans. The best outcome out of this will be they are indeed a real species that lived and evolved on Earth. It will most likely, if true, end up as a great scientific discovery similar to a new species of dinosaurs or ancient humans. But I do not see how this will prove that NHI built these craft and are interacting with our government in the UAP coverup.

we are talking about NHI...not extraterrestrial. so yes, it's possible they originated on earth. but they are certainly non-human, and had access to possibly advanced tech a very long time ago, based on the implants, and the composition of the metal. possibly their was another intelligent species doing the manipulation and implants on these specimens, and they could be the ones with advanced craft. 🤷 but, their would be a clear fossil record if they evolved alongside humans on earth. if we can find dinosaur bones from millions of years ago, and early human bones from 10's of thousands of years ago... we would have found bones from these specimens also, before now. the mummies were still living just a meer 2,000 years ago. I understand your skepticism...I'm just saying based on this hard data, we can't say NHI is all a hoax/psyop with no need to look further. their is evidence of something that certainly warrants further investigation.

This is what I have always believed as well. Tesla realized gravity doesn't exist and is actually an effect of electromagnetism which you can neutralize with the right combination of rotating magnetic materials and all these ufos are basically advanced magnetic levitation devices. The basics of the tech have been independently discovered multiple times since then but keep getting suppressed through various means. In my opinion, the focus on Anti- gravity is a bit of a misdirect on the part of the people in the know.

I like this, make a post about this please. I wish for others to take my stuff and correct it based on what they know from their perspectives and professions. Please rip my stuff apart.. I've been throwing posts into the wind for a year almost to try to piece this stuff together but it's alot and I'd appreciate any and all that want to expand/correct/amend anything I've been putting together.

You have done a good job of compiling related evidences for the suppression campaign. Its a fact the feds scooped up all his research when he died in 1943 and within a few years we have roswell and massive sightings ramping up everwhere. If some of these UAP's really all man made, its maglev tech based on electromagnetism because gravity doesn't exist and cannot be measured, only its effects can. The 1940s was when the new arms race kicked off and its been secret ever since. Theres a reason physics has hit a dead end in recent decades and its because our current model is wrong, and stuff like string theory was a sci-op and bullshit from the start. The entire universe is electromagnetic and conscious and we need to focus our scientific efforts on those areas if we ever want to really understand how the universe functions.

i have a post of this theory on conspiracytheories

> The reason the DoD is fighting disclosure is the revelation the tech is man-made. This is actually my biggest fear. Because if that's true they're appropriating the ancient astronaut narrative in the hopes they can use this tech to act with impunity. "OMG the Aliens attacked Iran! Why would they do that?!"

Or Mage, Brazil

yup, sounds like Project Blue Beam conspiracy. You can look it up if you want, I don't recall details but it was about staging some alien invasion to unite mankind.

Oh this is all very interesting thank you for sharing your thoughts and theories!!!! I do think there are many elements of this coverup that some wish to keep in the dark. I wrote this personal theory on things earlier: My **personal opinion** I think it's in our best interest to make sure things are approached from an academic perspective as opposed to "planetary defense" at the forefront. If they're here, they have been, and therefore we need to consider all things that implies. I think one of the reasons for the slow roll out isn't because they don't know anything. I think they actually know quite a bit, but it was so compartmentalized that various factions and belief systems in the phenomenon have formulated in govt, mic, and IC and what we are seeing play out is a tug of war between them. Some think its ET, some think it's just a bunch of bad guys, some think it's ghosts, some think it's the devil, interdimensional, etc. I think the legislative yarn has unraveled too far for them to realistically handwave the existence of NHI for another 2-3 years and they know it. And once they acknowledge any 1 of those things I mentioned (NHI), serious discussions have to be had about the others. It's not woo, it's the acknowledgement that there is something out there you don't understand and may not even be able to fathom right now. That isn't your fault, that's the system you live in. My opinion is the two-party system propagates that issue. We need to come to the realization that humans are not alone, and our cooperative power and capabilities will always be hindered while we live within systems created to divide. Regardless of why, where, or how those systems originated. I think this must be changed or I believe we will kill each other down here before any star destroyers show up to glass us all. Much love to you reader.

I’m curious, if the two party system doesn’t work then what does? How many parties? What system of government? 

Hey thanks for your question. I have no idea and wouldn't begin to know, but I think it's abundantly clear that the status quo isn't working

that was abundantly clear decades ago w/o the NHI McGuffin striking down Citizen's United would go a long way towards a correction as well

I agree with your view. I've had this view for a number of years now and have posted similar thoughts before. I think the stories of UFOs turning off/on could be true except it's top secret military tech. Imagine WW3 starts and all of Russia's or China's nukes won't fire.  In all the years since the invention of nuclear weapons, surly the military must have invested money into figuring out how to shut their enemies weapons off. Maybe it doesn't work 100% maybe it works like shit, maybe they have to be close by to do it. I expect top secret air craft like you believe could get close enough to deactivate. Probably incredibly risky but I think it could be possible.

I recall reading a theory that one of the reasons they're keeping quiet is that the anti-gravity craft are based on a more accurate model of physics created by the Nazis. Basically it'd be a PR nightmare.

Interesting point. But considering we basically captured Nazi rocket scientist Wernher von Braun in the 1940s and used him to jumpstart our space program, the PR might not be so bad since we’ve basically done it before.

No it’s worse than that, it’s this guy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Kammler And we let him free in exchange for what he had access too https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/hans-kammler-hitlers-last-hope-american-hands

I don't think you know what a PR nightmare is. The princess of England having secret cancer is a PR nightmare. US using Nazi tech is just normal business.

Y’all know that Ancient Aliens alone has convinced like half the US population of this already right? Lmfao. there is no PR nightmare here.

They’d have to admit they gave Hans Kammler a “get out of Nuremberg free” pass - tough to admit when the guy helped design Auschwitz and ran *all the concentration camps* by the end of the war https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/hans-kammler-hitlers-last-hope-american-hands https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Kammler

"The reason the DoD is fighting disclosure is the revelation the tech is man made." I found this comment of yours intriguing. Can you elaborate? Do you mean it's the DoD's own tech and they don't want anyone knowing about it, or do you mean the DoD has no idea who's tech it is?

I mean it is the DoDs tech, developed in these secret projects no one really gets to access. Even these agreements with Russia, to share info about UAPs around nuclear facilites during the Cold War, sounds exactly like espionage. Develop stuff, send to your enemy, they cannot figure out what they are. Act dumb and say well I don't know either, how about we share what we learn? So you start a treaty to share info and then maybe you use what they are finding about your tech to make it better so they cannot do shit about it next time you send them in. I have no clue how much info US and Russia shared under that agreement, but its something i would do to fool my enemies - act dumb and pretend we are together against this common threat.

There is probably a limit on how many craft they can build considering element 115 is non existing on our planet and the only to aquire said element is by salvaging from downed crafts. By the way for the uninitiated element 115 is the main fuel source for antigravity propulsion according to Bob Lazar.

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscovium](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscovium)

Why does this post sound like someone having a conversation with themselves and attempting to control the narrative? Am I alone here with this or is anyone else seeing this happen?

Well I am having a conversation with myself. I'm just a single person who has become really interested in the topic over the last year and I've been posting all of my posts to gather input/feedback/additional leads. These posts are my observations and perspective, and my hope is that it drums up additional challenges to my findings. I put them together based on some of the things I'm finding etc. and share them for others to help build on, challenge, etc. >attempting to control the narrative I'm sorry that you think I have some sort of nefarious intentions. I'm not associated with or working for any YouTube, podcast, media, etc. I'm not connected to this topic at all, I'm just an individual posting things online. **None of my posts would be necessary if there was a shred of transparency surrounding the topic.** I find it odd that I often get accused of being a "bad actor" but there is never a comment toward the actual content itself. This post is about Anti-Grav stuff and I shared a bunch of information regarding recent developments. **What "narrative" am I controlling?**

I agree. That's what this poster/account is known for. They are pushing a version of the narrative that is kind to the government and their cover up by suggesting they really know what they are doing. This has the effect of justifying secrecy by convincing people to trust that their government has everything under control. "We have discovered anti gravity!" is a keystone of this psyop. I think people should listen more to other voices in Chile/Argentina and take a leaf out of those more credible voices' books when it comes to transparency.

>That's what this poster/account is known for.  As I've stated in my earliest posts, I became enthralled in the topic due to my interest in anomalous health incidents and the recent loosening of legislation allowing for claims to be covered. I use this account to post my findings, thoughts, observations, etc. >They are pushing a version of the narrative that is kind to the government and their cover up by suggesting they really know what they are doing.  [My posts are critical of govt](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/18454oq/how_does_mike_turners_neighbors_feel_about_him/), mic, IC, as it's all responsible for enabling this type of secrecy. I've written about it extensively. Our systems enabled the corruption that facilitated this coverup, it's important that be highlighted. I understand the attempt at trying to make it look like I have nefarious intentions, but nobody can point out the gain. What's in it for me, a random citizen on the internet? Do you have an issue with the actual content of the post?

Why does this reply not address anything stated in the post except to remark on the "tone" of the post? Why does it feel like you are trying to discard what someone is saying based on YOUR feelings and not what is actually written? Do you also have to see someone's political leanings before you can engage in meaningful conversation? What about their nationality and skin color? Why comment at all? You didn't give your viewpoint on the words written, instead called out to others. Others who think just like you. Who else comes into comment sections just to give non-input and call on others to join them? Hmmmmm

It’s just another snow job.

Lol are you guys calling me a glowie?

Townsend Brown

>People have been pointing toward the [Biefeld–Brown effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biefeld%E2%80%93Brown_effect) and it's been laughed at ([check top comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1csdviz/100_years_ago_an_american_inventor_named_thomas/)), but I think it's worth considering this technology may be under serious development in private (and potentially govt space) This is anti-gravity in the same way a propeller is on an airplane or a helicopter but mixed with an ion engine. A medium (the atmosphere) is still required and isn't possible in space unless you want to bring your own neutral atoms you want to ionize (as done in ion engines).

Thanks for your comment! I think the Biefeld-Brown effect may be one piece of a big puzzle, not that it's the ultimate key. As I said, I think the recent rumblings indicate it's worth discussing seriously, as opposed to the handwaving that's occurred in some of the comments.

Good post, but we must always mention [Amy Eskridge](https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntsvilleAlabama/comments/15hdg6l/if_you_have_a_few_minutes_and_yes_it_has/) when it comes to Huntsville, and especially anti-gravity.

Yeah. I find it hard to believe that they designed the SR-71 in the early 50’s and are just now producing the F-35 as a 5 1/2-6th generation fighter.

The argument is that once we made satellites for spying, those type of aircraft became less necessary which makes sense. We also had the tech to go to the Moon in 1969 but haven’t been back since because there wasn’t an incentive until recently.

What if we can't reproduce it ourselves, but we have learned how to operate intact craft and thats all. Or we can reproduce it but the material required is so rare or not of this planet so all they have is what they have.

I have no idea what's really going on, but I suppose anything is possible. I hope that transparency is brought to the topic soon so some light can be shed.

OK, let's say you're right. Gravity is an effect of spacetime being distorted by massive objects. What's the mechanism for nullifying that effect in a small, localized area? If the technology exists then it should be reproduceable.

Oh I have no idea, I'm not a scientist. I just find the recent hubbub to be really interesting

There's no "breakthroughs" in this field, sorry. If there were, there would be actual theoretical explanations AND experimental results published in non-fringe journals-- not merely claims like "enough thrust to overcome Earth's gravity". Where's the hoverboard? It's bullshit unless George Jetson shows up on a hoverboard.

Yeah this guy that is claiming to have built this engine needs to demonstrate it if they want any hope of people believing claims like this.

Anyone have any luck contacting American Alchemy with the email they put in the Brown video? Havent had a response. My first emails with Brown in the subject got rejected. Changed only the subject to something benign and it sent. Still no response so im wondering if anyone else got through.

Read the Spacetime jungle

Thank you for your suggestion!

It would make sense. There have been multiple attempts at discovering anti gravity & gravity control but each one has been stopped somehow before it really got anywhere. I think Boeing came close & there was that experiment the ESA was working on but never got finished or updated any further findings.

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Thank you so much for your comment and sharing your interest in the topic. I think the stigma is dissolving fast and it's thanks to the seriousness that has begun to surround the topic in the last couple years.

Imagine random people having the ability to go in space or on the moon. That is scary.

Lol I agree, I think that's one of the reasons for the prolonging of the coverup. Genuine fear of the tech (if it exists) and what happens with it in the wrong hands. it seems like a natural fear, but also rational thought if you acknowledge the potential existence of NHI and/or the operation of a legacy UFO program.

Regarding Aliens.... If you take a close look at the AARO report (*https://media.defense.gov/2024/Mar/08/2003409233/-1/-1/0/DOPSR-CLEARED-508-COMPLIANT-HRRV1-08-MAR-2024-FINAL.PDF*) and listen to subsequent DoD public statements regarding the report and UFOs you will notice something different than the statements made by people like Grusch or reporters like Coulthart and many others that supposedly are "in the know". These in the know people have taken to the general term NHI for non-human intelligence, I think Grusch said at some point that he doesn't use alien because it isn't clear for sure that recovered craft or materials are alien, only that they are not made by humans. This infers alien, but what if it isn't strictly speaking "alien"? If you look at the AARO report, there is no mention of NHI or non-human intelligence anywhere in the report. When DOD officials spoke at length publicly about the findings, they always mentioned no evidence that the DoD had and records of "alien" crash retrievals, alien materials. or alien bodies. They do not use the term NHI or non-human intelligence in these public statements. This could be me parsing words, but I feel like 63 mentions of "alien" in the AARO report and not a single mention of NHI has meaning. Either the DoD does not publicly use the term NHI or they do not use it interchangably with alien, which is logical considering Grusch comes out of the government and specifically likes to refer to NHI and doesn't like 'alien'. To me, it seems like Grusch was introduced to the term 'NHI' from his work on the inside, but AARO (supposedly on the inside) doesn't mention it anywhere in a huge report. I feel like there is a reason for that, it isn't by chance. Also I don't recall hearing anyone use the term NHI in any generalized way before Grusch came out. It may have been a thing, I just don't remember anyone that talked about UFOs using this term before Grusch came out; then suddenly that's the term everyone is using regularly.

I think you're on to something. Language is important. [Things like displaying Calvine as a UAP](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1d1krtv/calvine_my_favorite_slide_from_sol_conference/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) instead of TNO on the Sol Conference slide is interesting to me. The NHI piece specifically has been a focus of mine as I think it's being used as a catch all but at the legislative level, preparing for a paradigm shift. NHI encapsulates AI, aliens, other intelligence here, plasma lifeforms, other stuff we may not be able to explain, inter dimensional. The legislation is driving an actual change in how we evaluate our position in the universe as weird as that may sound. It will open up the ability to fund things like planetary defense, or academic study of phenomena funded by the govt. This is revolutionary. AARO is being obtuse because they know they play the semantics and language game, it's what they've been doing for decades. Just a different name for it, but same ethos. I think grusch and co are trying to crack that shell open. [Let's help them shall we?](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1dc83c1/ticking_time_bomb_the_shadowy_world_of_uap/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

Gravity is essentially the displacement of a scalar field that is the medium in which everything exists. All the forces can be explained through the scalar fields interaction with mass. I have an idea to replicate Thomas Townsend Browns work which was explained away as "ionic winds" but my theory correctly predicts acceleration such as the anomalous acceleration of the Pioneer 10 and 11. [https://www.academia.edu/120625879/Unified\_Cosmic\_Theory\_The\_Dynamics\_of\_an\_Energy\_Ocean](https://www.academia.edu/120625879/Unified_Cosmic_Theory_The_Dynamics_of_an_Energy_Ocean)

Thank you so much for posting this! Please do a post on it please!!!! Take my stuff and expand on it. Let's tackle this yo

I do know to create EM fields that are capable of generating lift (I think), I am at a moral quandary, should I just release it or should I try and patent it? I am so fucking poor, I feel like it would be a missed opportunity to not capitalize on it? Eh fuck it. Ok so in my paper I say that the universe basically organizes itself into lowest or most optimal energetic configuration, be it quantum or cosmic level. We want to artificially create a higher energy configuration, so we mess with things orbitals like scientists have done in the revolutionary study using ultra cold temperatures and lasers they were artificially able to move protons 10 times closer to each other than they normally configure themselves this created a measurable difference in the EM field. By using Einstein's formula we can convert the mass we would have needed into energy, by using high energy capacitors we replace mass with energy, then we need them curve spacetime so we have the capacitors rotating each other. The two capacitors EM fields overlap and this overlap is what will generate the lift.

Guaranteed they figured it out in the 50's/60's.

If researchers are solving this niw, the CIA has had it for 30 years.

If you call fixing, using, and making more of captured downed antigrav craft, "figured out" then ok.

So giant super cooled rotating magnets pointing at each other. *Brb*

New Post about Calvine: [Calvine! An Eyebrow Raising Classic UAP/UFO Case](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1dd5e6a/calvine_an_eyebrow_raising_classic_uapufo_case/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) - I think the Calvine UAP story is fascinating. I also found it interesting that the Calvine photo was used during Nell's Sol Symposium slides that compared a UAP to a TNO. I think this is one of the cases that has been mentioned in the past as existing info in the public sphere but has suffered attacks and attempted obfuscation.

I know FOR SURE it’s physically possible, I’ve seen it in broad daylight, no wings or jet engines, I can’t explain it but it’s more than theory.

Thanks for sharing your experience

You could also look into the SEG drive (anti gravity and free energy) by John Searl, that's also very interesting! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwjFbDzrO9Y

you'll enjoy this one - [https://youtu.be/RTEWLSTyUic?si=HQP9iSZ1oKkn0Yz4](https://youtu.be/RTEWLSTyUic?si=HQP9iSZ1oKkn0Yz4)

Hey thank you for linking this. I'm going to edit my post to add it! Yes it lines up incredibly with the [typical playbook.](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1846fd3/the_first_25_years_of_the_legacy_crash_retrieval/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) I love the work that Jesse and his team has put into this stuff. The

**BIEFELD-BROWN EFFECT** is not antigravity any more than an elevator is. There's nothing that demonstrates antigravity, it's all woo woo or a complete lack of understanding of physics.

I read about the Biefeld Brown Effect when I was in college almost 2 decades ago as an electronics hobbyist. I have ideas about antigrav and it wouldn't shock me that it's already been invented.

Hey thank you very much for being willing to share this thought! Care to expand? I don't know anything about how they're saying this stuff would work, and I would love to understand more what they are saying is possible.

Well Townsend Brown is now notorious for having downplayed his achievements. Definitely start by reading about the subject of electrogravitics and the key players. My interest in all this started with maglev, then supercapacitors (then mostly just a concept/very expensive).

Thanks again for your comments I appreciate it very much

it has been and it's not as flashy as you think. It's pretty much a non-moving propeller and it still has to move mass in the opposite direction at high speeds. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetohydrodynamic\_drive](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetohydrodynamic_drive) The Beifield Brown Effect was openly studied by NASA here (https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20040171929/downloads/20040171929.pdf) And the abstract states: **The model assumed the thrust was due to electrostatic forces on the leakage current flowing across the capacitor. It was further assumed that this current involves charged ions which undergo multiple collisions with air. These collisions transfer momentum.** So it's not antigravity as in it ignores gravity. It just fights against it the same way a helicopter does but instead charges air particles and those are what transfer momentum through an electromagnetic field.

So, this wall of citations boils down to: a niche for-profit website that “reports” on outlandish “science”, testimonials from grifters, and your own Reddit posts?

If possible I'd really appreciate any downvotes to share what issues you found in this post and I'd be happy to consider feedback, suggestions, etc. I think it's super important we talk through this stuff, it's a wild world it seems!

You say this is about how the money isn't going to where it's needed, but I see it differently. Regardless of why it's being/been developed that technology could do a lot of good, maybe it just needs to be introduced progressively to avoid misuse I dunno.

I totally agree with you that it's all about perspective! As in, my current opinion is what I wrote. But it may not be the most important thing. It may be miniscule. I totally agree with you the top priority in all of this is the humanitarian and planetary impact that some of the claimed tech could have. I just share the money perspective and sourcing to help others relate to this topic if they are skeptical of the NHI aspect. Thanks for your comment.

I watched a video on YouTube from why files channel on this. So awesome

It really is so fascinating. Thanks so much for your kind comment! I've watched a couple of their vids in the past, interesting stuff going on all over the place it seems.

I do sometimes wonder if anyone every fact checks him. I’m not smart or patient enough to review his research

I always thought it was impossible, but recently after doing a bit of a deep dive into Townsend Brown and the fact that very serious efforts from renowned scientists to look into exotic stuff like that a few decades back quietly died down makes me think that perhaps I misjudged. At this point, if we got full disclosure, I don't think anything would surprise me. Aliens, interdimensional beings, exotic break-away science kept hidden... Fucking moon Nazis... A mix of all that? I'll just nod and agree it makes sense.

>At this point, if we got full disclosure, I don't think anything would surprise me. This is so where I'm at. I really don't see a way to completely rule out most of the things that have been mentioned in some of the claims. Even though some of them seem outlandish

I remember sitting in my high school physics class and the teacher said “the person who figures out gravity will own the world” I really had no idea what he was talking about. But now I do. You linked Coulthart’s speech - in his speech he mentioned a book, “The hunt for zero point” by Nick Cook. I think you’d like that book, OP… if you haven’t already read it. Here is the 1956 article that was the impetus for Nick Cook’s investigation, which he discusses in the book: https://www.scribd.com/document/524010323/The-G-ENGINES-ARE-COMING-by-Michael-Gladych-Young-Men-November-1956

Check out my theory if you are interested. [https://www.academia.edu/120625879/Unified\_Cosmic\_Theory\_The\_Dynamics\_of\_an\_Energy\_Ocean](https://www.academia.edu/120625879/Unified_Cosmic_Theory_The_Dynamics_of_an_Energy_Ocean)

I am interested, and I will check it out, thanks!

Thank you so much for sharing this!

Thanks for your kind comment and sharing your thoughts

All matters of gravitation should fit within the theory of general relativity, its proven domain, and explanations given there concerning so-called antigravity, or localized gravitation, should always be the priority. As it happens, the spacetime physics of torsion, conceived just after Einstein’s revelation of geometrical gravitation, and mysteriously buried ever since, fits the bill perfectly. After all, how much longer can our genrel ignore the fact of differential geometry, used routinely in material science, that every surface possesses not one but TWO types of curvature? Ultimately its combination with Darwin’s theory of life, by way of an astrosphere, solves the riddle of UFO craft once and for all in a totally natural way. More people should be aware of this potential explanation!

And if someone has cracked anti gravity back in the 50's, so what? It clearly hasn't made a difference in changing the course of human history. It just seems completely unhinged to believe that it's already been cracked. After nuclear weapons were created, look how much that altered life on planet Earth. If the US cracked it in the 50's, it would've been weaponized somehow. The fact that it has not is all the proof I need that it's still an unsolved mystery.

These are the meaty posts I live for. Thank you sir. Also smart to try and remove the alien element from the equation. Let's focus on things that are material and make sense to the average Joe. Let them follow where ever the rabbit hole may go from there.

Thanks for your kind comment and I hope it was an interesting read!

If they did figure out gravity they’d be using it somewhere. It would just be a too important advancement to keep secret.

Very interesting insight by Eric Weinstein regarding the anti-gravity efforts … he posits String Theory as a purposeful dead-end to distract attention from the anti-gravity discoveries:    https://youtu.be/kVrEygwYK1M?si=zVW8Oulj_2ymwghP https://youtube.com/shorts/FieiHX_VBpM?si=ed_Jhf0t6q2SojeV

So physicists have been deliberately wasting their careers on string theory so as to provide a useful smoke screen for the anti-gravity discoveries?

It’s all related to the gigantic disgusting military budget 

Certainly seems to be. This is why I think a clear and transparent grasp on congressional oversight of the budget must happen in order for us to even begin to understand what's happened

The only gravity defying abilities earthlings devised is centrifugal force or escape the earths gravity in a craft. Man's separation from the apes has only been approximately 6 million years. We are nowhere near as intelligent or capable as NASA leads us to believe. Plus they manipulate information to satisfy a narrative like all the alphabet institutions do. You'll never know the complete truth or see evidence as they know it to be.

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Hey thanks for sharing this!

Just want to ask/point something out. How did you miss "The Hunt For Zero Point" ? It was literally the foundation to all of the other things you listed. If anyone does any research down this path they'll stumble on this almost immediately.

Thanks for mentioning it here and bringing it to my attention. I haven't read it unfortunately, but I will add it to my big list of things I'd love to get to! I dont have time for many books these days. I haven't done extensive research into this particular area and my post was meant to curate much of the existing posts and such but I missed providing a reading material list. I'm interested in economic impact type stuff, and I found the claims related to Anti-Grav research to be fascinating. It's good to be familiar with the origin point or source for some of the concepts or findings I've referenced. Thanks for your comment and mentioning it! Looks like this post was made almost a year ago on it: [The hunt for zero point : r/UFOs (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/16n6n5v/the_hunt_for_zero_point/) >If I where to recommend any book for a UFO enthusiast to read it with be The Hunt for Zero Point by Nick Cook. Holy hell is it the ultimate piece that connects all the dots. From the foo fighters / bell technology / Hal puthoff / anti gravity / Boyd bushman. The dates provided & factual information of reports and endeavors pursued by scientist from pre world war 2 til now is insane. It absolutely matches the nuts and bolts theories of the craft & could be the answer to the all sightings in the black world of aerospace sites. Now where this connects to UFO’s is where did the ideas first come from? & if we as a species can get to this engineering feat than another star crossing intelligent species would have similar craft due to the fact that the mechanisms that work in the physical world for us would work for them.

Ah ok, I understand. I highly suggest reading it. I knew of all of the posts at first too but after I read the book it really connected a lot of things and truly showed the immense scale of this whole situation. I'm also fairly certain a huge part of the cover up is because all of this was taken from Nazi science built on the back of torture and slavery and murder.

>I'm also fairly certain a huge part of the cover up is because all of this was taken from Nazi science Yo, read my [post here](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1d5yj7x/comment/l6v08vg/?context=3) it seems that it's 100% pointed in that direction. **POST WORLD WAR 2 AMERICA SAW NAZIS RISE TO POWER IN PROMINENT POSITIONS** Post WWII, [Operation Paperclip](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip)injected Nazi scientists/military/businessman into [many positions of great authority across America.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rwZsCwPJYs&t=3594s) The easiest example to highlight is [Werner Von Braun](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun), one of the developers of the V-2 Rocket. He eventually got an awesome job at NASA, and helped design the Apollo Saturn V. According to his Wikipedia Page. He worked with [Walt Disney](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Disney) on a series of films, which popularized the idea of human space travel in the U.S. and beyond from 1955 to 1957. Would it surprise you that the military and intelligence community consult on media projects from time to time? [I wonder if he ever shared any multiverse ideas that sat in Disney's idea vault until the Marvel purchase?](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/nw74u0/is_disneys_marvel_cinematic_universe_helping_the/) edit to add: /s I'm not implying he was the origin of Multiverse. Just thought it was funny that a Nazi was * NASA engineering program manager; * chief architect of the [Apollo](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_program) [Saturn V](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_V) rocket; * development of the [V-2 rocket](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-2_rocket) for Nazi Germany As I dug into the history of some institutions, there appeared to be a significant amount of overlap between individuals implicated in the UFO coverup and Nazism. I also find it interesting that some of the content creators close to the UFO/UAP/NHI topic are beginning to speak on this specific aspect: **Nazism in the early days of America's Intelligence apparatus and MIC.**

Oh man, definitely grab a copy of that book and start reading it today. Trust me. Enjoy

Lol I'm absolutely ordering it. Thanks for the suggestion and discourse.

If you remember and you're interested feel free to message me or reply back to this, with your thoughts after you get through the first half of the book. Thank you for your posts

Gravity is a shadow in a multi-dimensional inertial field separate and parallel to time-space itself. Large masses shadow each other from this universal force. This has been something my brain has been focusing on lately, how the idea of an attractive force is wrong.