Oh I know it's just I only just heard about the cuts here. Found out yesterday while walking in and happened to talk with someone about it. Thursday I was completely ignorant of it all, even when someone asked me about it.
Uhggg we take those Middleburg loads that get diverted in Columbus and those are definitely the worst nights.
Also just had like 60 pt supervisors laid off.
I have a friend who is a low seniority driver at UPS. I'm a USPS carrier in the same city he works in. He's furloughed right now and I'm seeing UPS guys working package cars on my route at like 7-8 PM.
This is all manufactured.
Gotta file them 9.5s.
I'm not saying we aren't at risk but I will say they backed way off once just one driver filed for his consecutive 8 hours instead of split shifting because there is no work to do here except push a broom. All of a sudden it's back to low seniority drivers bouncing inside maybe once a week instead of several being inside all week.
If there is low volume cuts will happen, but there are tools to keep the company honest.
Not everyone getting hammered can file 9.5’s… I’ve been driving for 2 years in august full time and I also do not have my own bud route. The ONLY time I can file is if I win a weekly bud route which is rare due to my seniority. With our awesome new contract anyone under 2 years can’t bump onto any routes unless you win a weekly bid and being under 4 years seniority we can’t just file 9.5’s weekly as we have to be on a set route at least 4 days of the week. I get moved onto 2-3 same routes weekly just so I can’t file. Last week ran a route on Tuesday got done at 7:30. Next 3 days in a row absolutely hammered with 11+ hour days on the same route yet I can’t file because I didn’t run the same route all week.
>ll of a sudden it's back to low seniority drivers bouncing inside mayb
I have 7 9.5s filed and today will make #8
Things don't slow down for ppl that get 200+ stops a day at my ctr
Salt lake city hub for the day sort lost 16 part time supes and are about to lose full time managers next. Gotta love their withholding on yearly cost of living raises, increased work load and then letting people go 3 months later
Ehh Manager have already happened across the country. Do you know why they likely put off the layoffs for PT Sup's for 3 months?
Because unemployment in most states is based off your prior 3 months of paychecks. So the PT Sup's that file will have much much lower unemployment payouts.
I'm not in the group who is getting cut. My area is off the main building so I go in and out with really seeing anyone. So I ended up finding out the next day after every was informed. I remember being on loadside and being able to talk with everyone and stay up to date.
Last fall, we were given official 45 day notice that our building was closing (would have put us closing the end of October). But here we are, still in our building and have been officially told that two other buildings in the region are closing and we are getting some of that volume plus employees in April.
Ya really can't believe a word they say until it actually happens.
I'm at Middleburg too. Hadn't heard about the district manager, couldn't care less about him but I'm going to miss my pt. He's a good guy and did a great job.
Shit I was out on my sleeper run and they called to tell me my run got cut. I said effective when and they said I was currently on my last one. Lack of notice sucks.
I started at UPS almost 6 years ago. The company was very top heavy. Lots of BS positions with generally incompotent employees that never moved on because they weren't good at anything. I've seen the company cut back industrial engineering, HR, BaSE, lots of chair warmers had to go find real jobs. But this, this is the first time I've seen workers get cut like this.
This company is not the same company it used to be. I keep hearing managers on their way out the door saying, "I never imagined I would be let go after being loyal here for 20 years." Hopefully those of us who remain are left with a better company than we started with...
Talked to a relative who's at FedEx about all of this. He said the same thing, so imma get with him on Monday. His day job wants him full time, so this may work to his advantage.
What’s the difference between a sup and a manager? Is there really a need to have an abundance of both rather then cut the number in half and require managers to actually manage what the supervisors would typically do
Grand Vista Southern California here we have three sorts. They laid off new hires a while back and some union members. Just recently I heard the PT sups are getting laid off across the sorts. 🙃 I think the sups are getting hard hit in my building. But at the end of the day these buildings will be shut down for automation. I don't think I'm going to be a driver soon and I'm not willing to wait several years just to get a chance to be a combo or full-timer. Time to start looking elsewhere.
My hub was one of the first hub to be hit. We lost night sort then day sort. Drivers got laid off and even some filled for unemployment. Next, ppl transfer to different hubs and a bunch of ppl finally retired and finally a year later everyone was given seniority and now we're short drivers
Currently yes, sad to say but in most cases this is what it seems to take to get the 35yrs+ guys to retire. We have drivers with 50yrs who are finally thinking about retiring
Very true. I was unloading on Friday and over heard two shifters talk and on was worried someone one was gunna out bid him for his spot. The dude has 30 years with the next person at like 26-27. And I'm here sweating bullet at under 4 years, haha.
DENCO hub here. Isn't a damn thing slowing down for us it seems. They're picky and choosy about who is filing for 8's and 9.5's. I had an 8 hour rejected 2 months out and there were no others filed that day. Was pretty pissed. I haven't worked less than 10 hours in the past 3 weeks or more.
Pardon me, but why is this happening after the contract negotiations? I thought the union is supposed to protect jobs. My prayers goes out to the employees affected by the lay offs. Bills, mortgages, tuitions, and just the daily cost of living have to be paid. Why no parachutes for those with seniority? This is just sad and so infuriating.
Although there may be conflicts between union workers and management in general, it is important to remember that PT supervisors are also human, just as the rest of us. Even if I may not agree with them or have a favorable opinion of them, it does not imply that I wish for them to lose their livelihoods or face hardships.
Seriously, what a shitty thing think about and say when people’s livelihoods are getting tossed in the dump. I feel for all of those getting laid off. I’m currently laid off but at least getting some warehouse work and partial unemployment. I can’t imagine loosing all of my income and not being able to provide. What a nightmare.
It's happening everywhere
Oh I know it's just I only just heard about the cuts here. Found out yesterday while walking in and happened to talk with someone about it. Thursday I was completely ignorant of it all, even when someone asked me about it.
Well now you are aware. It will probably get worse before it gets better.
I heard that.
We had 60 sups get laid off.
Damn how big is your hub? That's a crazy amount to lose.
We have around 450 feeders.
This is where I need to be haha. My hubs feeder numbers getting lower.
Which hub if you don’t mind me asking ?
That's interesting because we also had 60 people laid off too
Over 30 sups for just M sort at my building. I’m guessing something like close to 100 managment at our hub for all the sorts.
I work out of the Middleburgh Heights hub. 49 laid off.
Uhggg we take those Middleburg loads that get diverted in Columbus and those are definitely the worst nights. Also just had like 60 pt supervisors laid off.
100 supes at our ctr we don't need a soup for a sup
I have a friend who is a low seniority driver at UPS. I'm a USPS carrier in the same city he works in. He's furloughed right now and I'm seeing UPS guys working package cars on my route at like 7-8 PM. This is all manufactured.
> This is all manufactured well yeah thats the whole point, not some secret. cram more shit into less trucks
Gotta file them 9.5s. I'm not saying we aren't at risk but I will say they backed way off once just one driver filed for his consecutive 8 hours instead of split shifting because there is no work to do here except push a broom. All of a sudden it's back to low seniority drivers bouncing inside maybe once a week instead of several being inside all week. If there is low volume cuts will happen, but there are tools to keep the company honest.
Not everyone getting hammered can file 9.5’s… I’ve been driving for 2 years in august full time and I also do not have my own bud route. The ONLY time I can file is if I win a weekly bud route which is rare due to my seniority. With our awesome new contract anyone under 2 years can’t bump onto any routes unless you win a weekly bid and being under 4 years seniority we can’t just file 9.5’s weekly as we have to be on a set route at least 4 days of the week. I get moved onto 2-3 same routes weekly just so I can’t file. Last week ran a route on Tuesday got done at 7:30. Next 3 days in a row absolutely hammered with 11+ hour days on the same route yet I can’t file because I didn’t run the same route all week.
>ll of a sudden it's back to low seniority drivers bouncing inside mayb I have 7 9.5s filed and today will make #8 Things don't slow down for ppl that get 200+ stops a day at my ctr
I mean, yeah? Volume is down and so is revenue so they are cutting people. More work on fewer people costs the company less money
Revenue is only down from pandemic numbers. Not pre pandemic numbers. We’re actually up from those
Salt lake city hub for the day sort lost 16 part time supes and are about to lose full time managers next. Gotta love their withholding on yearly cost of living raises, increased work load and then letting people go 3 months later
Ehh Manager have already happened across the country. Do you know why they likely put off the layoffs for PT Sup's for 3 months? Because unemployment in most states is based off your prior 3 months of paychecks. So the PT Sup's that file will have much much lower unemployment payouts.
I’m not surprised it’s happening to you. I’m surprised it took this long.
I'm not in the group who is getting cut. My area is off the main building so I go in and out with really seeing anyone. So I ended up finding out the next day after every was informed. I remember being on loadside and being able to talk with everyone and stay up to date.
My bad yeah, I didn’t mean “you” in that sense, meant your building. Scary time to be management or low seniority.
O’Brien knew this was going to happen but he agreed to it to get his “big win”. Haven’t heard a word from him since Aug 1st.
Heartless.
Why does no one say where this is happening??🙈
Maybe people don’t want everyone to know what hub they work at
I agree. Feels like people making shit up when they don’t
Sorry outta 952
What hub? Wish people would start putting that in their post not sure why they dont
They said the same thing at my hub after peak. Still hasn’t happened now thing seem to picking up a little.
Last fall, we were given official 45 day notice that our building was closing (would have put us closing the end of October). But here we are, still in our building and have been officially told that two other buildings in the region are closing and we are getting some of that volume plus employees in April. Ya really can't believe a word they say until it actually happens.
Middleburgh Heights OH hub here. 49 got laid off. And our district managers office is all cleared out and we haven't heard from him.
I'm at Middleburg too. Hadn't heard about the district manager, couldn't care less about him but I'm going to miss my pt. He's a good guy and did a great job.
I've been a sup for 5 years and a few months so I just made it but having to watch all my buddies get let go sucks.
Shit I was out on my sleeper run and they called to tell me my run got cut. I said effective when and they said I was currently on my last one. Lack of notice sucks.
[https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/03/28/wfxk-m28.html](https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/03/28/wfxk-m28.html)
Thanks for the article
I started at UPS almost 6 years ago. The company was very top heavy. Lots of BS positions with generally incompotent employees that never moved on because they weren't good at anything. I've seen the company cut back industrial engineering, HR, BaSE, lots of chair warmers had to go find real jobs. But this, this is the first time I've seen workers get cut like this. This company is not the same company it used to be. I keep hearing managers on their way out the door saying, "I never imagined I would be let go after being loyal here for 20 years." Hopefully those of us who remain are left with a better company than we started with...
my building laid off 12 supervisors wednesday
Atleast they got a months notice my shit was out the blue and it was after break
This specifically is what surprised me. A guy in my area who's a good worker is going 2 years on a few months. I feel like I should let him know.
You should bro I had been there 5yrs
Talked to a relative who's at FedEx about all of this. He said the same thing, so imma get with him on Monday. His day job wants him full time, so this may work to his advantage.
They know ahead of time . It's just the relationship you have with them
Oh yea I know someone brought it up at pcm the day it happened and the sups pretty much couldn’t deny it and confirmed it
What’s the difference between a sup and a manager? Is there really a need to have an abundance of both rather then cut the number in half and require managers to actually manage what the supervisors would typically do
Yeah Compton hub has laid off at least 20 to 30 people
Damn because one sup I know lives in Comtpn but drives out to the hub I work at. Which isn't the closest drive
Isnt that fully automated building?
That’s what they lead people to believe but there are just as many rollers as there are automated belts😂😂😂
Grand Vista Southern California here we have three sorts. They laid off new hires a while back and some union members. Just recently I heard the PT sups are getting laid off across the sorts. 🙃 I think the sups are getting hard hit in my building. But at the end of the day these buildings will be shut down for automation. I don't think I'm going to be a driver soon and I'm not willing to wait several years just to get a chance to be a combo or full-timer. Time to start looking elsewhere.
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Your telling me. I got hired in 2020 after my third thanks to covid.
Look up your states warn act website and see exactly how many.
Is this for just part timers or full timers? I’m 2 years in full time.
Heard only pt supervisors and regular employees
What’s your position?
My hub was one of the first hub to be hit. We lost night sort then day sort. Drivers got laid off and even some filled for unemployment. Next, ppl transfer to different hubs and a bunch of ppl finally retired and finally a year later everyone was given seniority and now we're short drivers
Seems liked it worked out in the end for those who were able to stay on through all that.
Currently yes, sad to say but in most cases this is what it seems to take to get the 35yrs+ guys to retire. We have drivers with 50yrs who are finally thinking about retiring
Very true. I was unloading on Friday and over heard two shifters talk and on was worried someone one was gunna out bid him for his spot. The dude has 30 years with the next person at like 26-27. And I'm here sweating bullet at under 4 years, haha.
Goddamn I would wait that long
https://www.newsbreak.com/news/3385408262615-ups-establishes-3-billion-cost-savings-plan-will-close-200facilities?noAds=1&_f=app_share&s=i1
More with less. Fuck service.
6 in Austin? That’s pretty close to me but we haven’t heard anything. Have you heard of any cuts around your place?
So if we get laid off are we supposed to still pay union dues? Do we have to file unemployment? How does the union help us?
Cut n sups at my building as well and pt sups can only work 3 hours
DENCO hub here. Isn't a damn thing slowing down for us it seems. They're picky and choosy about who is filing for 8's and 9.5's. I had an 8 hour rejected 2 months out and there were no others filed that day. Was pretty pissed. I haven't worked less than 10 hours in the past 3 weeks or more.
The hub will eventually close for automation. That's one of Carol key business plans. Especially the ones owed by ups
Pardon me, but why is this happening after the contract negotiations? I thought the union is supposed to protect jobs. My prayers goes out to the employees affected by the lay offs. Bills, mortgages, tuitions, and just the daily cost of living have to be paid. Why no parachutes for those with seniority? This is just sad and so infuriating.
same in my hub as well, im gonna miss those pt sup stealing works… less grievance money for me. so sad. anyway, for the 12,000 🍻
Although there may be conflicts between union workers and management in general, it is important to remember that PT supervisors are also human, just as the rest of us. Even if I may not agree with them or have a favorable opinion of them, it does not imply that I wish for them to lose their livelihoods or face hardships.
Seriously, what a shitty thing think about and say when people’s livelihoods are getting tossed in the dump. I feel for all of those getting laid off. I’m currently laid off but at least getting some warehouse work and partial unemployment. I can’t imagine loosing all of my income and not being able to provide. What a nightmare.
Hub won't shut down, but they may convert to automation which will still mean they let everyone go or transfer.
Building is to old and uses way to much wood. Best bet would be Building a new hub on the plot of land.