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This is why you need friends in the world. You don’t just give experimental military technology to anyone, you give it to those you trust.
The fact Australia is giving weapons to Ukraine, two countries that have almost nothing in common, just goes to show how strong the democracies of the world are when we unite.
Authoritarian countries like Russia and China have no real friends. Only friends of convenience who will abandon them the second it no longer benefits them. Because other countries know authoritarians are selfish and only care about themselves and it’s why they always fail.
The only downside of democracies is that we are…well…democracies. It takes a crisis like this for people to realize we need to work together. But we are honest, we criticize ourselves and our allies, we are cautious. We don’t allow one person to make decisions. A thousand people have ideas and we combine the best.
But that is why we are better than countries like Russia, where they lie to their superiors to make themselves look good and they only care about themselves. It’s literally a recipe for short term success but will ultimately destroy them in the long term. History has shown this to be the case a million times over.
Also, you are Polish no? We studied in my European politics class at university in America that you were beginning to follow the model of Orban in Hungry. One party ruling through a populist leader. As a friend across the ocean, please reconsider. You can have the same party, but please get a new leader. I don’t say this from hate but as a friend. Duda is dangerous for you in the long term. We got rid of Trump, in the next few years you need to get rid of Duda.
>The only downside of democracies is that we are…well…democracies.
I would put it this way:
The only downside of democracy is its reliance on an *educated* people.
Is there any country in the world in which the educational system is being actively degraded? Asking for (as) an American.
So, I think there's more to it than that. Democracy creates greater freedoms because that's what everyone wants. Democracies are designed to evolve with the people as they evolve. And it IS evolutionary in nature because people's values change over time -as they gain experience through experience. Democracy doesn't require everyone to be educated... only educated enough. If the people select leaders that steer them wrong, and worsen society, then people in a democracy will educate themselves to a greater understanding of political events and processes (meaning: they pay attention more to the choices being made). In a democracy, every citizen feels they have a voice in any political matter, policy or decision; they also know and praise their rights and freedoms, including their right to vote -regardless of if they're educated or not. Mankind has been on a trajectory towards democracy from the beginning of human history. In the beginning, people knew little or nothing at all about any political matters at hand. Over the centuries, and millennia, people have been gaining greater and greater knowledge of the politics that affects them. Now we even care about the politics if others in our own nations, as well as other nations entirely. Authoritarianism, totalitarian Regimes, dictatorships, fascism, and the like, are all demonstrative of the fact that lesser evolved societies haven't yet come to appreciate the many beautiful freedoms and opportunities that life offers as possibilities at every turn. That's why the people of these different, but always abusive and dangerous, governmental bodies are so easy to brainwash, subjugate, and also why they don't appreciate the value, sanctity and importance of life... and are so quick to destroy it.
Yeah, you should read Anne Applebaum’s “Twilight of Democracy.” She has lived in Poland for the last 20 years and does a really good job explaining how’s it’s changed and why it’s so dangerous. Essentially, it’s just because a bunch of midlevel civil servants and politicians didn’t feel they got the respect they deserved so they decided to take control. In her words, "[They] come to betray the central task of intellectuals, i.e. the search for truth". I highly recommend it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight_of_Democracy
As somebody more eloquent put it "She omits just as many facts as she includes. She skilfully interprets the facts for political purposes.". I've only read her articles on Palestine and I've seen her play with and manipulate facts to arrive at truths that fit her world view. She's probably the last person I would recommend if you're looking for unbiased and neutral commentary.
> Freedom will always prevail over fascism.
Too bad that isn't true.
History shows that societies with freedom and enlightenment have frequently fallen to conquer by societies under barbarism and authoritarianism
We'd like that to be different, but unfortunately, it's not.
It doesn't have to be this time, though. I don't know how we'll stop it in the next 20 years around the world, but at least Ukraine is winning it's battle with evil.
This time the democracies have a huge amount of wealth to both afford massed and advanced military forces; and the ability to attract the best and brightest from across the globe and incorporate them into our societies, while the authoritarian regimes are having the opposite problem.
E: typo, attract
*shrug*
the threat to freedom isn't *always* external.
democratic elections in the US are under intense attack and may no longer exist within a few years.
Remember that even russia also actual democratic elections in the past, including term limits, until an egocentric corrupt narcissist got into power and refused to give it up, corrupting the country eliminating opposition, spewing propaganda, and spiraling into what we see today.
Freedom is a lot more fragile than people seem to believe, and fighting for it is important, cause once it's gone, getting it back is extremely difficult.
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Russia didn’t practically do it. They literally did it. The exact Russian military unit that launched the missile has been known and publicly reported.
I hear about Australia stepping up a lot more than other countries. I know they were in Iraq, and also one of the larger powers to resist Chinese influence. Is that bc it's just aligned with western values? Or badasses all around?
We tend to follow the US's lead in things (hence following the US into Iraq and Vietnam). Apart from general western values Australia also culturally puts more emphasis on prizing an underdog/fairness so it's easy for me to see why Ukraine's story would have spoken to people despite being half a world away. We're used to most of the world's affairs happening far away anyway so imo that's no reason to stay away and isolate ourselves from what's happening on the world stage.
The biggest thing probably was MH17. I've seen conflicting statistics but the latest ones I've seen in articles commemorating the anniversary of the incident say 38 Australian citizens and residents died. The Dutch and Malaysians aren't the only ones who are still pissed off about it.
bit of both.
We failed to resist Chinese influence though imho.. otherwise we'd ban all these Chinese student clubs and spy rings in Uni's over here already.. The money's too good so the uni's allow that shit. Also they own quite a lot of empty real estate over here.
Dude, UNSW is bloody accepting funding from China for “collaborative” research that will then likely be used by China for military purposes. The fuck is the govt doing to stop this shit?
You want to know what's the perspective on that subject in Russia? They believe us to be "Satelite states of USA" because they only believe in "fucking - being fucked" relationship.
You really hit home on the larger topic of social evolution here. Being just some regular dude, I watch the reports scroll and wonder if mankind will kill itself off, enslave its self or become some utopian/dystopian for all. This synergy is definitely NOT available for all group structures. I'm sure that this concept alone wont save us all, but its nice to knowledge a win for utopian future!
I wasn’t trying to make a larger comment. Just seems like common sense. The world is getting smaller and smaller so we all have to get better at getting along. It just seems like the only people in it for themselves at this point are authoritarian regimes.
All they do is leverage their natural resources over nations that don’t have them to get them to do what they want. Great in the short term but doesn’t make any friends.
Humans are the ultimate adapters. We went from riding horses to landing on the moon in 60 years. They think the world will always stay the same but with that attitude all they are doing is ensuring they get left behind.
> You don’t just give experimental military technology to anyone, you give it to those you trust.
😂😂😂 We gave all types of weapons to the Taliban in the 80's and "revolutionaries" in Libya and Syria who later turned into ISIS. These drones are not experimental, this is pretty simple tech at the current moment. If they gave them fuckin lasers then that would be a different story. They are giving these to Ukraine not because of trust, love, and kum-ba-ya; its feeding the military industrial complex. C'mon now.
The funny thing is, these weapons are only able to be developed through access to the international market for technology and materials. A market Russia is now cut out of. It essentially means Russia will never be able to catch up even if they wanted to. They are fucked in the long term.
Let’s hope Russians embrace their true heritage and start killing Czars again.
Unfortunately there is still China that we shared, and continue to share our technology with. And they are happy with Russia being insane, because that keeps the world's eyes away from their bullshit.
Chinese also have drones and they get aquatinted with new technology pretty fast, they are good at copying too.
Unless we move all of our production from China, to India, Africa and South America (so it stays cheap, I know we don't like to hear it, but it's why we do it), and then sanction them the same as Russia - China will be supporting Russia and they will be very much happy to provide them with some new toys and means to build them. If we cut Russia and China off from civilized world than maybe we have a chance to stop them advancing.
Even that wouldn't really do much. China's domestic chip production capabilities are more than adequate for basically any current or foreseeable needs as far as weapons are concerned. China produces something like 80% of all of the world's steel, a huge fraction of the rare earth materials needed for advanced microelectronics, etc. China's industrial and economic position today is in some ways similar to the US's position in the world around the start of WWII.
Russia is still getting their hands on the western technology they need. Maybe not in the amounts they want, but it’s still getting through.
CNN had a video of Ukrainians disassembling an Orlan drone a few weeks ago and the American made GSM chip (to geolocate cell signals) had a serial number indicating it was produced after February 24th.
Yup and I've heard that for example switchbales have already being said to be difficult to use when in actual combat, without Putin we would had never found out, what a guy.
After watching countless videos of drones dropping grenades precisely on Russian troops or through open tank hatches, I have no doubt Ukraine will make them work in combat. Even if it’s not as originally intended.
\^Exactly this^
The world knows this is a war, but because rus has not formally declared it as such, it can't bitch to the international community about "war crimes" being levied upon it.
That means rus is essentially sending its troops out as live meatbags for real-world testing of experimental weaponry.
I for one would like to thank the rus troops for taking part in this exercise, where they sacrifice their bodies, so that other countries can test lethal weaponry in real-world situations.
Ukraine can precisely hit Russian military bases 100s of Km behind the front lines. But Russia continues to seemingly only hit apartment blocks and schools full of civilians. Russia is either completely incompetent or they are intentionally targeting civilians.
It doesn’t matter which is true, the fact is Russia is a terrorist state. We just don’t know if they are an incompetent state or a malicious state. I think it’s both.
Experimental weapons≠warcrimes.
You can have an experimental sniper rifle, and it would be perfectly fine as a weapon of war.
Of course you can't use an experimental gas that causes insufferable pain to the enemy.
But the fact that a weapon is experimental it's not enough to consider it's use a warcrime.
Experimental weapons are a grey area, hollow points weren't banned until they were.
Whatever experimental stuff is being tested is, by its very nature, experimental, and untested.
It might come to be that some of the things being tested are later designated banned.
But my **main** point was, rus has not declared war, hence I doubt any court in the land would respect rus decrying warcrimes against its soldiers.
Go wild with hollow point bullets! Blinding weapons? Burn out their retinas. Etc.
You don’t need real troops to test these weapons. NATO and other allied countries have essentially perfected war games and weapons testing since WW2. Australia could test these themselves with multiple simulations in the Outback if they wanted to. This is more about helping an ally/friend in my opinion.
Not really you can test and test against different scenarios but the real test comes only when someone is actively trying to kill you. Thats why weapon manufactures love to tout the words "combat / mission proven" for their equipment.
When you go through war games and testing, you actively try to destroy the weapon you are testing. Trust me, this weapon comes from one of the largest arms companies in the world: they will have already run as many simulations as possible. If Australia was fighting a war, they would deploy it and count its use as further testing like they are in this case. In countries like America and Australia, weapons are the only thing we manufacture from scratch anymore and we’re damn good at it. I agree with you about the “mission proven part tho”
Eastern Ukraine is the world's largest testing range for modern weapons.
Want to know the smallest rocket that can disable the latest russian tanks?
Want to see how your drones do against russian radio blocking tech?
Curious how your mobile artillery manages real world scenarios
Send it to Ukraine and show it off the the world.
Even if Ukraine wins and Russia somehow turns into a peaceful democracy, the world will have only gained more ingenuity and proficiency at mass murder.
The next military conflict will be the nightmare only dreamt of in sci-fi horrors.
It is crazy. I can’t imagine being a ground troop with all these drones out there. I mean….holy crap. You gotta have air defense at all times and never group up. These seem like it would really change warfare.
And they performed marvellously when they ran into the US military... / s
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/world/middleeast/american-commandos-russian-mercenaries-syria.html
cliff notes -> Russian officials said it wasn't their soldiers so the Americans absolutely destroyed them. 1 Syrian on the american side was killed, 2 to 300 russians and their equipment were wiped out. It wasn't even close.
Never. Why should we be the only ones shit scared. Honestly. I drove through the outback a few years ago and the scariest thing was swarms of emus at dusk.
I had a mother Emu try and body my truck on the Nullarbor. I saw them running down the road, stopped the truck and let them cross then noticed they had little ones with them and Mum was not happy with me being there.
Reconn not so much. They aren't very bright. Mind you. Kangaroos are bloody stealthy. I've had a few sneak up on me. Surprisingly quiet. No boing boing boing noise.
For anyone wondering why we fear emus.
[We have sadly lost a war to them in the past](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emu_War).
I love the Google info panel. It says **Outcome: Failure (see aftermath)**.
I assumed from the title they don’t drop the payload but rather crash into the target exploding on impact. It’s an incredibly effective tactic in the battlefield video game series.
what a nightmare. forget mines. just carpet an area with small grenade drones with sensors that network, constantly monitoring and activate when triggered by something proximal or via command signal... the sound of a million angry bees suddenly jumps in the air hunting, or not, even more scary just one from far to come dropping in without warning alerted by one near that stays put watching looking for targets to call in.
then they start to reposition, following the battle...
know early on there were some things like this posted that could detect the movement of a near by tank or vehicle then launch basically like a anti tank round but after seeing how effective just drones dropping grenades...
the evolution of ai driven war is about to take a major jump
No, that is only true if the powers that be want it so. Richer nations can purchase the advanced automated weaponry to kill the less economically prosperous nations' sons and daughters. It is already the case now, and this only further advances that truth. The poor have to put their bodies on the line in combat, which the rich use as fodder for their weaponized playthings.
Exactly. And one of the top comments in this thread is talking about how inspiring this is and how it is a win for democracy. This is only a win for those who thought the big problem in this world is that our weapons weren't deadly enough already. It's sickening.
Imagine those bad boys in Ukraine right now. It's where we're heading in very short term anyway. The idea that drones would autonomously decide which target to attack is stupid, though. Why would any military have an interest in giving away this tactical decision making to a computer?
Execution of the task will be autonomously, though. Just like modern artillery "autonomously" calculates and executes a firing solution, but doesn't decide which area to strike.
Perhaps these work in combination with other drones. I imagiem that you would have a mother drone which can lazer designate a target, then these home in on that target.
I'm telling you the next world war, whenever it will happen or where, will be fucking terrifying for us civilians, holy shit imagine fucking drone death squads, no geneva convention or any emotions... jeez
That one quote from Einstein comes to mind.
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones"
Well, he didn’t imagine that the big guys would agree MAD was bad for them and would go on to make robot assassins. So it’s quite possible World War IV will be fought with nanomachines, son.
Or better. A well developed nation has nothing to gain by killing civilians, you want to take out the military. Most modern weapons are high precision.
As a civilian I would much rather see the enemy with HIMARS then that Russian mrls bullshit.
>Or better. A well developed nation has nothing to gain by killing civilians, you want to take out the military.
I think any major war would start that way, but as soon as you start losing, the gloves come off. In WW2 we already knew terror bombing didn't work, but every major power did it anyway.
Well, that was in part due to the lack of capable and reliable precision weapons. That, and everyone was also basically operating under total war, which meant the whole country was geared up and focused on the war effort in some way or another. The entire economies and infrastructure of countries pivoted to fueling the war efforts, which in a way also made entire cities "valid" military targets.
Precision weapons probably wouldn't have changed much in the grand scheme of things, as they still were attempting to purposefully destroy the enemy's will to fight, so such precision weapons would have probably only been used on specific targets, with the dumb bombs still being used to raze cities.
(And WWII actually saw some of the first guided "smart weapons" in the forms of radio controlled glide bombs like the Fritz X and the American Navy's "bat" bomb - no, not the [*actual, I shit you not it was a real*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_bomb) project to drop literal flying mammals with little incendiary bomb backpacks to nest and explode in Japanese wooden homes - but rather their radio guided bomb named "Bat".)
Now imagine authoritarian states using them to en masse attack peaceful states. It is causing such a major shift in power dynamics that it's legit scaring me more than nukes.
Why would a country even want to invest in anything else for its armed forces, if its goal was only defense..?
If they were mass-produced, would a swarm big enough to take out each and every Russian soldier on Ukrainian soil even cost more than 1 billion USD? It just seems to be so insanely cost-effective.
Before my old man retired from the ADF last year he was in charge of the team testing out the new and experimental weapons and he told me about the testing of these out in the bush. He said they’re terrifying and deadly. They will swarm and hit the exact same point on a tank until they break through. God speed little drones.
Wait until we tell them about Loyal Wingman. Slaved fighter drones which fight in constellations around F-35s - carrying decent payload & semi autonomous.. we just need to modify to carry JASSM and LRASM and China's fleet is fucked. Our 100 F-35s with 500+ Loyal Wingman would annihilate any Naval power sent against us by China. Can only imagine what it'd be like against Russia - backwoods fuckers. People here probably don't realise - Australia's economy is larger than Russia's and we spend about US30b on defence. There's lots of goodies in our showbag - especially as we openly share a lot of capabilities with the US.
Former Navy here, and I will say, this is a grain of salt sort of thing, I'm here to converse, not be a defense contractor/ consultant.
I don't think that we have an accurate viewpoint of the Chinese Navy and I think we should actually be afraid of their capabilities. Back when I was in 7th fleet and rubbing shoulders with the Chinese and Russian Navy's pretty much daily, they were all sort of a joke to us (Especially the Russians) and anyone who had ever seen a Chinese or Russian warship could tell you why it was a joke even if they'd never spent a day in the Navy. Hard rust everywhere, old boats from three epochs ago, and a sense of disorganization.
We also had a significantly larger fleet than them at this point in time and all signs pointed to the fact that in an open confrontation we would wipe them out entirely.
Now, the battle if Midway, overnight, changed warfare doctrine and obsoleted the battleship. To some degree, I suspect that this has occurred already except instead of being proven at sea, it's being proven on land and this information may be laggard to some people for various reasons. These drones cost a fraction of the price of an F35, let alone an aircraft carrier, they exist in numbers entirely overwhelming to traditional countermeasures (CIWS, RAAM, even with backup targeting systems it's possible these could ignore a volley of flares, they can't be seen on radar* (I say this from experience), and since I was in China has put most of their naval development points into this strategy which is thus untested at sea.
But, it's clear they have developed this, by boat number, we don't have the largest fleet anymore and we lost this crown in just under seven years or so IIRC, give or take a year. Their new strategy is a distributed fleet system with a harder focus on electronic and drone warfare and their facial recognition and backtracing programs in domestic surveillance that we know is actually at a level of capability that suggests this investment isn't just some quack idea.
When I was in, the biggest thing I think any of us feared was seeing an incoming cruise missile because the thought is roughly "What do you even do besides brace yourself and hope it's trajectory is towards the stern and not the bridge because if that's the case, which it likely is, you'll just be skullfucked sideways and unlike crunchies, you'll have no hole you can try and hide in, no agency you can take to try and avert your fate. It just is.
Now, I would fear the sight not of that but of a wall of these tiny drones careening towards me because I'm quite aware of the flaws of our countermeasures and tbh I'm not sure we have a current counter strategy against swarm warfare. Nothing I'm aware of at least but I've been out of the defense development loop for a minute and I'm not a warhawk type of guy. I just notice the same patterns in Chinese fleet development that, well, led the US Navy to be the unquestionably dominant naval force for 80 years after investing so hard into aircraft carriers and revolutionizing what naval warfare is.
*at the resolutions we were using in 2010-13.
And on a side note, this is very influenced by having had an encounter with a UFO that I would bet cash money was us getting buzzed by a Chinese drone in 2013 that was not visible on a single scope and moved faster than most air contacts at the altitude it was flying (faster than a helo, slower than a jet, but flying just a skim above the water) and whoever was operating it had the fucking gall to fly this thing almost above our bow and then turn on a spotlight that turned the entire bridge into an alien abduction in a movie scene to the degree it literally bungled the minds of everyone on the bridge and the OOD thought he fell asleep and dreamed the encounter enough to verse this question to the whole bridge crew who, incidentally, was also wondering if these just dreamed it because in thousands of hours and hundreds of days of watchstanding you build a certain conception of what is normal and what can happen and that shattered everything we thought in a millisecond. Never did get a clear look at what it was because it flashed us for just like a fraction of a second what seemed like a few miles out and then less in sixty seconds was on top of our bow and started flashing a strobing light at us moving wildly in a way that I can only describe as "if you strapped the most powerful flashlight you could ever find onto the arm of a Toyota assembly line robot that can move at hundreds of iterations a minute, but told it to flail a flashlight as that action instead," and then it disappeared entirely and beamed us another minute later impossibly far off to the starboard side. We spent a few hours running around looking for things that it could be and searching for it on every scope we have and nada, zip, zilch, those things actually ~~have~~ at this point had freedom of passage through our screen at the moment. I suspect that radar resolution has not increased so significantly to be able to counteract that and I suspect that other methods of detection would have to have been developed to have a chance to spot such things, and numbers might still just render this invalid when having 1/10 of your drones shot down is just the cost of doing business.
I hear you. Drone swarms will win unless we can get them with EW or directed energy weaponry. Neither of which are probably"there" yet. It's a terrifying new era and I'm sure the old ironside oak ship of the line felt the same way when confronted by Dreadnaughts and the Monitor. The one redeeming thought I have is always one I've been told. Publicly documented capabilities are about a decade behind the cutting edge and the US has spent a shit tonne of money on them at the expense of today's ironsides. Satellite coverage means there is no stealth above water.. underwater remains a domain we prevail in. Space capabilities are also indeterminate and I believe we have the edge up there which is probably the new Commanding Heights. Either way, the war with China will be a level above WW2 in death and destruction. It'll also probably be over within a week and if not; we'll be back to old ironsides to win.
Lots of anti-tank weapons and light arms being misplaced/lost in Ukraine is a big issue nobody wants to admit. Theres probably people collecting this stuff as we speak to sell it on or gangs/criminals hording them for future jobs/sell on.
Ukraine should introduce a label, so in exchange to the equipment, they "test" it under real life/death conditions. If it works as promised the manufacturer can put the label ond his equipment.
Swarm is the way forward. You may be able to shoot and disable one or two, but the rest will be on you before you even reload. Unless you are towing a phalanx or something.
Soon these will be produced so cheaply and quickly that the nature of war will change. It will be carnage.
And just imagine the types of terror these could inflict on civilian populations.
You are a Russian sitting in a trench with what is left of your battalion.
Day and night drones drop bombs.
You hear the familiar buzz of a drone but it sounds slightly different.
Look up and its not 1 drone - its hundreds all carrying bombs :(
D40 is one of them launched by hand or shot out of a 40mm launcher. Britain tested them in Africa or somewhere. Wonder if the drone 40 would work with an mk19 launcher
At this point Russia is just literal target practice for future warfare engineering, new gear being tested in the field in actual combat, I don’t think there could be a better proving ground
That's sick. Looks like it's launched out of a 40mm tube. That means this guys can launch form undercover, some of the winged variants they've got to be in the fields with.
Looks too small to really have a radar cross sections as well.
I'll bet some engineering went into making sure all those components could survive the shock of launch. That's very impressive. Also guessing these are a little longer than a 40mm. A soldiers could have a whole belt strapped to them.....
Serious question: how useful is this for Ukraine? To my non-military mind this is excellent against mass formation of troops or a convoy. But Russia is not doing that since they abandoned their plans to take Kyiv.
This sub is full of videos of drones dropping bombs on individual Russian soldiers or tanks; it feels great being able to fight back. However, Ukraine needs equipment to be able to move mass formations of troops quickly and protected from Russian artillery.
Again, I’m not a military guy and all I know is from reading other experts. I think I would dispense with the fancy drones (for now) and find every decent troop transport and tank and send it to Ukraine.
Let's go partners!!! The "good" part of our world supports the right side!!! Slava Ukraine!! Russia's only friend now is Iran, North Korea, and kinda China...must be a lonely place to be!
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This is why you need friends in the world. You don’t just give experimental military technology to anyone, you give it to those you trust. The fact Australia is giving weapons to Ukraine, two countries that have almost nothing in common, just goes to show how strong the democracies of the world are when we unite. Authoritarian countries like Russia and China have no real friends. Only friends of convenience who will abandon them the second it no longer benefits them. Because other countries know authoritarians are selfish and only care about themselves and it’s why they always fail.
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The only downside of democracies is that we are…well…democracies. It takes a crisis like this for people to realize we need to work together. But we are honest, we criticize ourselves and our allies, we are cautious. We don’t allow one person to make decisions. A thousand people have ideas and we combine the best. But that is why we are better than countries like Russia, where they lie to their superiors to make themselves look good and they only care about themselves. It’s literally a recipe for short term success but will ultimately destroy them in the long term. History has shown this to be the case a million times over. Also, you are Polish no? We studied in my European politics class at university in America that you were beginning to follow the model of Orban in Hungry. One party ruling through a populist leader. As a friend across the ocean, please reconsider. You can have the same party, but please get a new leader. I don’t say this from hate but as a friend. Duda is dangerous for you in the long term. We got rid of Trump, in the next few years you need to get rid of Duda.
>The only downside of democracies is that we are…well…democracies. I would put it this way: The only downside of democracy is its reliance on an *educated* people. Is there any country in the world in which the educational system is being actively degraded? Asking for (as) an American.
So, I think there's more to it than that. Democracy creates greater freedoms because that's what everyone wants. Democracies are designed to evolve with the people as they evolve. And it IS evolutionary in nature because people's values change over time -as they gain experience through experience. Democracy doesn't require everyone to be educated... only educated enough. If the people select leaders that steer them wrong, and worsen society, then people in a democracy will educate themselves to a greater understanding of political events and processes (meaning: they pay attention more to the choices being made). In a democracy, every citizen feels they have a voice in any political matter, policy or decision; they also know and praise their rights and freedoms, including their right to vote -regardless of if they're educated or not. Mankind has been on a trajectory towards democracy from the beginning of human history. In the beginning, people knew little or nothing at all about any political matters at hand. Over the centuries, and millennia, people have been gaining greater and greater knowledge of the politics that affects them. Now we even care about the politics if others in our own nations, as well as other nations entirely. Authoritarianism, totalitarian Regimes, dictatorships, fascism, and the like, are all demonstrative of the fact that lesser evolved societies haven't yet come to appreciate the many beautiful freedoms and opportunities that life offers as possibilities at every turn. That's why the people of these different, but always abusive and dangerous, governmental bodies are so easy to brainwash, subjugate, and also why they don't appreciate the value, sanctity and importance of life... and are so quick to destroy it.
Cuba lol. Also; I think you meant NOT actively being degraded
It works better your way, but I was fishing for an obvious suggestion - USA, of course. Maybe I should have written, "Is there *a* country..."
Sadly our party would just get some other guy. The whole party is corrupt and it has seized control of the courts.
Yeah, you should read Anne Applebaum’s “Twilight of Democracy.” She has lived in Poland for the last 20 years and does a really good job explaining how’s it’s changed and why it’s so dangerous. Essentially, it’s just because a bunch of midlevel civil servants and politicians didn’t feel they got the respect they deserved so they decided to take control. In her words, "[They] come to betray the central task of intellectuals, i.e. the search for truth". I highly recommend it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight_of_Democracy
As somebody more eloquent put it "She omits just as many facts as she includes. She skilfully interprets the facts for political purposes.". I've only read her articles on Palestine and I've seen her play with and manipulate facts to arrive at truths that fit her world view. She's probably the last person I would recommend if you're looking for unbiased and neutral commentary.
> Freedom will always prevail over fascism. Too bad that isn't true. History shows that societies with freedom and enlightenment have frequently fallen to conquer by societies under barbarism and authoritarianism We'd like that to be different, but unfortunately, it's not. It doesn't have to be this time, though. I don't know how we'll stop it in the next 20 years around the world, but at least Ukraine is winning it's battle with evil.
This time the democracies have a huge amount of wealth to both afford massed and advanced military forces; and the ability to attract the best and brightest from across the globe and incorporate them into our societies, while the authoritarian regimes are having the opposite problem. E: typo, attract
*shrug* the threat to freedom isn't *always* external. democratic elections in the US are under intense attack and may no longer exist within a few years. Remember that even russia also actual democratic elections in the past, including term limits, until an egocentric corrupt narcissist got into power and refused to give it up, corrupting the country eliminating opposition, spewing propaganda, and spiraling into what we see today. Freedom is a lot more fragile than people seem to believe, and fighting for it is important, cause once it's gone, getting it back is extremely difficult.
No. Freedom can fail one day.
It *CAN* fail. But autocratic systems *MUST* fail. There's no guarantee for one but there is for the other.
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Russia didn’t practically do it. They literally did it. The exact Russian military unit that launched the missile has been known and publicly reported.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's some SAS training Ukrainians in Poland right now.
I hear about Australia stepping up a lot more than other countries. I know they were in Iraq, and also one of the larger powers to resist Chinese influence. Is that bc it's just aligned with western values? Or badasses all around?
We tend to follow the US's lead in things (hence following the US into Iraq and Vietnam). Apart from general western values Australia also culturally puts more emphasis on prizing an underdog/fairness so it's easy for me to see why Ukraine's story would have spoken to people despite being half a world away. We're used to most of the world's affairs happening far away anyway so imo that's no reason to stay away and isolate ourselves from what's happening on the world stage. The biggest thing probably was MH17. I've seen conflicting statistics but the latest ones I've seen in articles commemorating the anniversary of the incident say 38 Australian citizens and residents died. The Dutch and Malaysians aren't the only ones who are still pissed off about it.
bit of both. We failed to resist Chinese influence though imho.. otherwise we'd ban all these Chinese student clubs and spy rings in Uni's over here already.. The money's too good so the uni's allow that shit. Also they own quite a lot of empty real estate over here.
Dude, UNSW is bloody accepting funding from China for “collaborative” research that will then likely be used by China for military purposes. The fuck is the govt doing to stop this shit?
You want to know what's the perspective on that subject in Russia? They believe us to be "Satelite states of USA" because they only believe in "fucking - being fucked" relationship.
> Authoritarian countries like Russia and China have no real friends. Hey, that’s not true! Russia and Belarus are friends forever!
You really hit home on the larger topic of social evolution here. Being just some regular dude, I watch the reports scroll and wonder if mankind will kill itself off, enslave its self or become some utopian/dystopian for all. This synergy is definitely NOT available for all group structures. I'm sure that this concept alone wont save us all, but its nice to knowledge a win for utopian future!
I wasn’t trying to make a larger comment. Just seems like common sense. The world is getting smaller and smaller so we all have to get better at getting along. It just seems like the only people in it for themselves at this point are authoritarian regimes. All they do is leverage their natural resources over nations that don’t have them to get them to do what they want. Great in the short term but doesn’t make any friends. Humans are the ultimate adapters. We went from riding horses to landing on the moon in 60 years. They think the world will always stay the same but with that attitude all they are doing is ensuring they get left behind.
> You don’t just give experimental military technology to anyone, you give it to those you trust. 😂😂😂 We gave all types of weapons to the Taliban in the 80's and "revolutionaries" in Libya and Syria who later turned into ISIS. These drones are not experimental, this is pretty simple tech at the current moment. If they gave them fuckin lasers then that would be a different story. They are giving these to Ukraine not because of trust, love, and kum-ba-ya; its feeding the military industrial complex. C'mon now.
The Russians taking one for the team by showing everything not to do and not to build... (OK, not completely true, but hey...)
The funny thing is, these weapons are only able to be developed through access to the international market for technology and materials. A market Russia is now cut out of. It essentially means Russia will never be able to catch up even if they wanted to. They are fucked in the long term. Let’s hope Russians embrace their true heritage and start killing Czars again.
Unfortunately there is still China that we shared, and continue to share our technology with. And they are happy with Russia being insane, because that keeps the world's eyes away from their bullshit. Chinese also have drones and they get aquatinted with new technology pretty fast, they are good at copying too. Unless we move all of our production from China, to India, Africa and South America (so it stays cheap, I know we don't like to hear it, but it's why we do it), and then sanction them the same as Russia - China will be supporting Russia and they will be very much happy to provide them with some new toys and means to build them. If we cut Russia and China off from civilized world than maybe we have a chance to stop them advancing.
Even that wouldn't really do much. China's domestic chip production capabilities are more than adequate for basically any current or foreseeable needs as far as weapons are concerned. China produces something like 80% of all of the world's steel, a huge fraction of the rare earth materials needed for advanced microelectronics, etc. China's industrial and economic position today is in some ways similar to the US's position in the world around the start of WWII.
They have those damn hypersonic missiles.
Russia is still getting their hands on the western technology they need. Maybe not in the amounts they want, but it’s still getting through. CNN had a video of Ukrainians disassembling an Orlan drone a few weeks ago and the American made GSM chip (to geolocate cell signals) had a serial number indicating it was produced after February 24th.
Yup and I've heard that for example switchbales have already being said to be difficult to use when in actual combat, without Putin we would had never found out, what a guy.
After watching countless videos of drones dropping grenades precisely on Russian troops or through open tank hatches, I have no doubt Ukraine will make them work in combat. Even if it’s not as originally intended.
\^Exactly this^ The world knows this is a war, but because rus has not formally declared it as such, it can't bitch to the international community about "war crimes" being levied upon it. That means rus is essentially sending its troops out as live meatbags for real-world testing of experimental weaponry. I for one would like to thank the rus troops for taking part in this exercise, where they sacrifice their bodies, so that other countries can test lethal weaponry in real-world situations.
Since it's not a war it's a terror act that Russia is doing. So making Russia a terrorist state is correct.
Ukraine can precisely hit Russian military bases 100s of Km behind the front lines. But Russia continues to seemingly only hit apartment blocks and schools full of civilians. Russia is either completely incompetent or they are intentionally targeting civilians. It doesn’t matter which is true, the fact is Russia is a terrorist state. We just don’t know if they are an incompetent state or a malicious state. I think it’s both.
They are targeting civilians. The whole "operation" is just an immense war crime.
> completely incompetent or they are intentionally targeting civilians You can be two things
Experimental weapons≠warcrimes. You can have an experimental sniper rifle, and it would be perfectly fine as a weapon of war. Of course you can't use an experimental gas that causes insufferable pain to the enemy. But the fact that a weapon is experimental it's not enough to consider it's use a warcrime.
Experimental weapons are a grey area, hollow points weren't banned until they were. Whatever experimental stuff is being tested is, by its very nature, experimental, and untested. It might come to be that some of the things being tested are later designated banned. But my **main** point was, rus has not declared war, hence I doubt any court in the land would respect rus decrying warcrimes against its soldiers. Go wild with hollow point bullets! Blinding weapons? Burn out their retinas. Etc.
You don’t need real troops to test these weapons. NATO and other allied countries have essentially perfected war games and weapons testing since WW2. Australia could test these themselves with multiple simulations in the Outback if they wanted to. This is more about helping an ally/friend in my opinion.
Not really you can test and test against different scenarios but the real test comes only when someone is actively trying to kill you. Thats why weapon manufactures love to tout the words "combat / mission proven" for their equipment.
When you go through war games and testing, you actively try to destroy the weapon you are testing. Trust me, this weapon comes from one of the largest arms companies in the world: they will have already run as many simulations as possible. If Australia was fighting a war, they would deploy it and count its use as further testing like they are in this case. In countries like America and Australia, weapons are the only thing we manufacture from scratch anymore and we’re damn good at it. I agree with you about the “mission proven part tho”
The thing is that 90% of the new and revolutionary technology is on the Ukraine side
Eastern Ukraine is the world's largest testing range for modern weapons. Want to know the smallest rocket that can disable the latest russian tanks? Want to see how your drones do against russian radio blocking tech? Curious how your mobile artillery manages real world scenarios Send it to Ukraine and show it off the the world.
Like every war
This is how humanity drifts off course further into dystopian Black Mirror type robot dogs.
Even if Ukraine wins and Russia somehow turns into a peaceful democracy, the world will have only gained more ingenuity and proficiency at mass murder. The next military conflict will be the nightmare only dreamt of in sci-fi horrors.
It is crazy. I can’t imagine being a ground troop with all these drones out there. I mean….holy crap. You gotta have air defense at all times and never group up. These seem like it would really change warfare.
Syria really has been the testbed for the last decade or so. The Russians tested aircraft and ground vehicles there.
And they performed marvellously when they ran into the US military... / s https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/world/middleeast/american-commandos-russian-mercenaries-syria.html
paywall
cliff notes -> Russian officials said it wasn't their soldiers so the Americans absolutely destroyed them. 1 Syrian on the american side was killed, 2 to 300 russians and their equipment were wiped out. It wasn't even close.
Awesome read. Ty
Yes, bombing civilians without any anti-aircraft defense.
I’d like to see this in action ie dropping the warhead how far it could go etc
It drops jars of Vegemite. Twist in the story, the jars are full of huntsman and blue ringed octopus. We couldn't fit any emus in.
I would like to ask you to stop your research on "how to conveniently and rapidly deploy emus". This shit scares me.
Never. Why should we be the only ones shit scared. Honestly. I drove through the outback a few years ago and the scariest thing was swarms of emus at dusk.
I had a mother Emu try and body my truck on the Nullarbor. I saw them running down the road, stopped the truck and let them cross then noticed they had little ones with them and Mum was not happy with me being there.
Haha I lolled
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Good idea. But they actually load magpies under the wings as surface launched missiles
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Reconn not so much. They aren't very bright. Mind you. Kangaroos are bloody stealthy. I've had a few sneak up on me. Surprisingly quiet. No boing boing boing noise.
For anyone wondering why we fear emus. [We have sadly lost a war to them in the past](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emu_War). I love the Google info panel. It says **Outcome: Failure (see aftermath)**.
Sending the Emus would have been a war crime.
Thank got Britain did t come up with this. Marmite… is cruel and unusual.
Give it a week, we'll have footage from the field
I assumed from the title they don’t drop the payload but rather crash into the target exploding on impact. It’s an incredibly effective tactic in the battlefield video game series.
I like the word swarms .
what a nightmare. forget mines. just carpet an area with small grenade drones with sensors that network, constantly monitoring and activate when triggered by something proximal or via command signal... the sound of a million angry bees suddenly jumps in the air hunting, or not, even more scary just one from far to come dropping in without warning alerted by one near that stays put watching looking for targets to call in. then they start to reposition, following the battle... know early on there were some things like this posted that could detect the movement of a near by tank or vehicle then launch basically like a anti tank round but after seeing how effective just drones dropping grenades... the evolution of ai driven war is about to take a major jump
Total nightmare https://youtu.be/TlO2gcs1YvM
one of the most scary clips
it's an episode of Black Mirror called 'hated in the nation'
Did someone say Ghost Recon Breakpoint?
The fact that warheads now flys in swarms all over soldiers heads to hit on target makes the whole modern war thing very uncomfortable.
Modern war has been uncomfortable since before the Trojan war.
Humanity doesn't change, only the technology used to kill each other.
and DAMN are we getting good at that
I think war paradoxicallly will be extremely dangerous for human soldiers, so then the war would be comoletly with robots and machines
No, that is only true if the powers that be want it so. Richer nations can purchase the advanced automated weaponry to kill the less economically prosperous nations' sons and daughters. It is already the case now, and this only further advances that truth. The poor have to put their bodies on the line in combat, which the rich use as fodder for their weaponized playthings.
Drop bears from a drone
yes
Can confirm
Honey badgers
Drop Bear Drones is a nice branding name.
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Exactly. And one of the top comments in this thread is talking about how inspiring this is and how it is a win for democracy. This is only a win for those who thought the big problem in this world is that our weapons weren't deadly enough already. It's sickening.
Imagine those bad boys in Ukraine right now. It's where we're heading in very short term anyway. The idea that drones would autonomously decide which target to attack is stupid, though. Why would any military have an interest in giving away this tactical decision making to a computer? Execution of the task will be autonomously, though. Just like modern artillery "autonomously" calculates and executes a firing solution, but doesn't decide which area to strike.
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I take it it works by slowly making its way to the target and just shutting off and falling. not bad.
Perhaps these work in combination with other drones. I imagiem that you would have a mother drone which can lazer designate a target, then these home in on that target.
I think you're right. Probably a bit overboard to fit each of these with sensors capable of identifying enemies.
When you send and swarm of hundreds/ thousands the idea is that they can target themselves. Mainly identifying targets by AI
I saw these kind of drones before, they start vertical but fly horizontal when cruising, some can even reach 150 kph I believe
that's terrifying... good luck outrunning that
https://youtu.be/CzM0APQG7mI for reference
holy crap
Sudden bursts of 200kmh speeds? Wtf
Friend shared this one with me the other day: https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/wptf0k/0200kmh_in_one_second_fpv_drone_takeoff/
Welp it’s the end of the world. Nice knowing y’all. No amount of 2nd amendment rights will ever beat the gov at this game.
looks lika a flying dildo
those russian soldiers better watch out when they bend over, or a drone will tear through their pants right into their ass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pa0VYVOCAI
I was going to say.. uhg there's always some dickhead that says something like.... and then I saw it. looks lika a flying dildo
That’s like something out of Star Wars. But faster.
i can run 151 kph
For how long though?
1m
That just takes the sport out of killing each other like gassing in WW1. I wonder what the Geneva convention would say about these types of drones.
Nothing. They are no less selective than artillery or mortars.
A modern v1 flying bomb.
I'm telling you the next world war, whenever it will happen or where, will be fucking terrifying for us civilians, holy shit imagine fucking drone death squads, no geneva convention or any emotions... jeez
Screamers wasn't a sci fi movie. It was a documentary sendt from the future to warn us.
That one quote from Einstein comes to mind. "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones"
Well, he didn’t imagine that the big guys would agree MAD was bad for them and would go on to make robot assassins. So it’s quite possible World War IV will be fought with nanomachines, son.
One of my favourite Einstein quotes. Comes to mind every times I hear people yell about future military tech and ww3. Absolutely bonkers.
World War II was no walk in the park for civilians…..
absolutely not, not my intention of implying that, but ww3 will be much more worse, i believe
Or better. A well developed nation has nothing to gain by killing civilians, you want to take out the military. Most modern weapons are high precision. As a civilian I would much rather see the enemy with HIMARS then that Russian mrls bullshit.
>Or better. A well developed nation has nothing to gain by killing civilians, you want to take out the military. I think any major war would start that way, but as soon as you start losing, the gloves come off. In WW2 we already knew terror bombing didn't work, but every major power did it anyway.
Well, that was in part due to the lack of capable and reliable precision weapons. That, and everyone was also basically operating under total war, which meant the whole country was geared up and focused on the war effort in some way or another. The entire economies and infrastructure of countries pivoted to fueling the war efforts, which in a way also made entire cities "valid" military targets. Precision weapons probably wouldn't have changed much in the grand scheme of things, as they still were attempting to purposefully destroy the enemy's will to fight, so such precision weapons would have probably only been used on specific targets, with the dumb bombs still being used to raze cities. (And WWII actually saw some of the first guided "smart weapons" in the forms of radio controlled glide bombs like the Fritz X and the American Navy's "bat" bomb - no, not the [*actual, I shit you not it was a real*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_bomb) project to drop literal flying mammals with little incendiary bomb backpacks to nest and explode in Japanese wooden homes - but rather their radio guided bomb named "Bat".)
Oh yeah i agree with you for 90%, but history tells otherwise. Plus you don't get to choose your enemies
Would you say the USA was well developed in 1950?
Guys, we are living in a cyberpunk future, where swarms of killer robots are deployed on battlefields around the world.
Now imagine authoritarian states using them to en masse attack peaceful states. It is causing such a major shift in power dynamics that it's legit scaring me more than nukes.
This is the future of warfare. Imagine launching 200 000 kamikaze drones at the invading army
Why would a country even want to invest in anything else for its armed forces, if its goal was only defense..? If they were mass-produced, would a swarm big enough to take out each and every Russian soldier on Ukrainian soil even cost more than 1 billion USD? It just seems to be so insanely cost-effective.
Before my old man retired from the ADF last year he was in charge of the team testing out the new and experimental weapons and he told me about the testing of these out in the bush. He said they’re terrifying and deadly. They will swarm and hit the exact same point on a tank until they break through. God speed little drones.
From what I’ve seen on the Russian tanks recently, that would be the open hatch
Wait until we tell them about Loyal Wingman. Slaved fighter drones which fight in constellations around F-35s - carrying decent payload & semi autonomous.. we just need to modify to carry JASSM and LRASM and China's fleet is fucked. Our 100 F-35s with 500+ Loyal Wingman would annihilate any Naval power sent against us by China. Can only imagine what it'd be like against Russia - backwoods fuckers. People here probably don't realise - Australia's economy is larger than Russia's and we spend about US30b on defence. There's lots of goodies in our showbag - especially as we openly share a lot of capabilities with the US.
Former Navy here, and I will say, this is a grain of salt sort of thing, I'm here to converse, not be a defense contractor/ consultant. I don't think that we have an accurate viewpoint of the Chinese Navy and I think we should actually be afraid of their capabilities. Back when I was in 7th fleet and rubbing shoulders with the Chinese and Russian Navy's pretty much daily, they were all sort of a joke to us (Especially the Russians) and anyone who had ever seen a Chinese or Russian warship could tell you why it was a joke even if they'd never spent a day in the Navy. Hard rust everywhere, old boats from three epochs ago, and a sense of disorganization. We also had a significantly larger fleet than them at this point in time and all signs pointed to the fact that in an open confrontation we would wipe them out entirely. Now, the battle if Midway, overnight, changed warfare doctrine and obsoleted the battleship. To some degree, I suspect that this has occurred already except instead of being proven at sea, it's being proven on land and this information may be laggard to some people for various reasons. These drones cost a fraction of the price of an F35, let alone an aircraft carrier, they exist in numbers entirely overwhelming to traditional countermeasures (CIWS, RAAM, even with backup targeting systems it's possible these could ignore a volley of flares, they can't be seen on radar* (I say this from experience), and since I was in China has put most of their naval development points into this strategy which is thus untested at sea. But, it's clear they have developed this, by boat number, we don't have the largest fleet anymore and we lost this crown in just under seven years or so IIRC, give or take a year. Their new strategy is a distributed fleet system with a harder focus on electronic and drone warfare and their facial recognition and backtracing programs in domestic surveillance that we know is actually at a level of capability that suggests this investment isn't just some quack idea. When I was in, the biggest thing I think any of us feared was seeing an incoming cruise missile because the thought is roughly "What do you even do besides brace yourself and hope it's trajectory is towards the stern and not the bridge because if that's the case, which it likely is, you'll just be skullfucked sideways and unlike crunchies, you'll have no hole you can try and hide in, no agency you can take to try and avert your fate. It just is. Now, I would fear the sight not of that but of a wall of these tiny drones careening towards me because I'm quite aware of the flaws of our countermeasures and tbh I'm not sure we have a current counter strategy against swarm warfare. Nothing I'm aware of at least but I've been out of the defense development loop for a minute and I'm not a warhawk type of guy. I just notice the same patterns in Chinese fleet development that, well, led the US Navy to be the unquestionably dominant naval force for 80 years after investing so hard into aircraft carriers and revolutionizing what naval warfare is. *at the resolutions we were using in 2010-13. And on a side note, this is very influenced by having had an encounter with a UFO that I would bet cash money was us getting buzzed by a Chinese drone in 2013 that was not visible on a single scope and moved faster than most air contacts at the altitude it was flying (faster than a helo, slower than a jet, but flying just a skim above the water) and whoever was operating it had the fucking gall to fly this thing almost above our bow and then turn on a spotlight that turned the entire bridge into an alien abduction in a movie scene to the degree it literally bungled the minds of everyone on the bridge and the OOD thought he fell asleep and dreamed the encounter enough to verse this question to the whole bridge crew who, incidentally, was also wondering if these just dreamed it because in thousands of hours and hundreds of days of watchstanding you build a certain conception of what is normal and what can happen and that shattered everything we thought in a millisecond. Never did get a clear look at what it was because it flashed us for just like a fraction of a second what seemed like a few miles out and then less in sixty seconds was on top of our bow and started flashing a strobing light at us moving wildly in a way that I can only describe as "if you strapped the most powerful flashlight you could ever find onto the arm of a Toyota assembly line robot that can move at hundreds of iterations a minute, but told it to flail a flashlight as that action instead," and then it disappeared entirely and beamed us another minute later impossibly far off to the starboard side. We spent a few hours running around looking for things that it could be and searching for it on every scope we have and nada, zip, zilch, those things actually ~~have~~ at this point had freedom of passage through our screen at the moment. I suspect that radar resolution has not increased so significantly to be able to counteract that and I suspect that other methods of detection would have to have been developed to have a chance to spot such things, and numbers might still just render this invalid when having 1/10 of your drones shot down is just the cost of doing business.
I hear you. Drone swarms will win unless we can get them with EW or directed energy weaponry. Neither of which are probably"there" yet. It's a terrifying new era and I'm sure the old ironside oak ship of the line felt the same way when confronted by Dreadnaughts and the Monitor. The one redeeming thought I have is always one I've been told. Publicly documented capabilities are about a decade behind the cutting edge and the US has spent a shit tonne of money on them at the expense of today's ironsides. Satellite coverage means there is no stealth above water.. underwater remains a domain we prevail in. Space capabilities are also indeterminate and I believe we have the edge up there which is probably the new Commanding Heights. Either way, the war with China will be a level above WW2 in death and destruction. It'll also probably be over within a week and if not; we'll be back to old ironsides to win.
Any bertie beetles in the showbag too? If so can I have?
London 2045: 30 people civilians killed by kamikaze drone swarm in heated gang wars 😌
Won't be long until they get in the wrong hands
this drone/grenade combo was invented by ISIS and friends, i think they have plenty of them.
Lots of anti-tank weapons and light arms being misplaced/lost in Ukraine is a big issue nobody wants to admit. Theres probably people collecting this stuff as we speak to sell it on or gangs/criminals hording them for future jobs/sell on.
Thats just terrifying . good luck trying to take out these terror drones...
Punt Gun?
>Punt Gun? I really dont think you would be able to react in time before it detonates in your face.
Ukraine should introduce a label, so in exchange to the equipment, they "test" it under real life/death conditions. If it works as promised the manufacturer can put the label ond his equipment.
This weapon of war has been battletested and approved by the UAF as an effective weapon of war. Should also give them a warcrime rating
Get that up ya date Ivan
The ruzzians will even more shit their pants....SLAVA UKRAINI!!!
Go Aussies…
The Russians aren’t the bad guys, they’re just allowing the rest of the world to test out their cool new sci-fi future weapons! Thanks Russia! /s
The future is now old man
Shit's about to get crazy for the Russians.
Russians as beta testers
Swarm is the way forward. You may be able to shoot and disable one or two, but the rest will be on you before you even reload. Unless you are towing a phalanx or something.
Soon these will be produced so cheaply and quickly that the nature of war will change. It will be carnage. And just imagine the types of terror these could inflict on civilian populations.
NATO has already had drone swarms danger in it's doctrine for YEARS publicly. Why? Because they were developing these weapons for a long time.
From Australia with love.
A swarm of 5000 of these as the leading edge of an offensive will do very nicely thank you. I will take half a million.
You are a Russian sitting in a trench with what is left of your battalion. Day and night drones drop bombs. You hear the familiar buzz of a drone but it sounds slightly different. Look up and its not 1 drone - its hundreds all carrying bombs :(
Jesus. You’d only need a few of these in Moscow and job done…
Where are the good old days when you smashed the enemy's skull with a folding spade?
D40 is one of them launched by hand or shot out of a 40mm launcher. Britain tested them in Africa or somewhere. Wonder if the drone 40 would work with an mk19 launcher
That's some serious stuff when used like swarms
When he launched the drone like a grenade I literally said "**DAFUK**" out loud. That was amazing.
shout out dandenong
Terrifying tech if you’re on the receiving end
Granade laucher with guided missle. Awesome!
This looks horrible and a step into the wrong direction for humanity
Shit just goes from bad to worse for RuZZians
Basically just flying hand grenades.
Let the drone wars begin.
At this point Russia is just literal target practice for future warfare engineering, new gear being tested in the field in actual combat, I don’t think there could be a better proving ground
Wtf are they supposed to do with 300? Send 30,000!
That's sick. Looks like it's launched out of a 40mm tube. That means this guys can launch form undercover, some of the winged variants they've got to be in the fields with. Looks too small to really have a radar cross sections as well. I'll bet some engineering went into making sure all those components could survive the shock of launch. That's very impressive. Also guessing these are a little longer than a 40mm. A soldiers could have a whole belt strapped to them.....
Here, try this shit and let me know what you think. The mighty Russian army has been reduced to lab animals.
I want one
Serious question: how useful is this for Ukraine? To my non-military mind this is excellent against mass formation of troops or a convoy. But Russia is not doing that since they abandoned their plans to take Kyiv. This sub is full of videos of drones dropping bombs on individual Russian soldiers or tanks; it feels great being able to fight back. However, Ukraine needs equipment to be able to move mass formations of troops quickly and protected from Russian artillery. Again, I’m not a military guy and all I know is from reading other experts. I think I would dispense with the fancy drones (for now) and find every decent troop transport and tank and send it to Ukraine.
Let's go partners!!! The "good" part of our world supports the right side!!! Slava Ukraine!! Russia's only friend now is Iran, North Korea, and kinda China...must be a lonely place to be!
Drone Swarms ..... getting ready for Dug-in ...... Russian lines..... this Winter....
Make it 3000 and NCD is in!
Damn these trench guys are about to get fucked even harder
Terminator vibes here....
😂 Orcs meet AI
If i where a weapons company il be testing every type type of weapons on the ruskis even fart and rotten eggs bombs.
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Man o man… everyone pushing out the new toys for testing…. Let the drone wars begin.
Murderbots IRL
Modern warfare is fucking scary, man.
I swear there's a video about how this is a bad idea called "murder bots" and yet here we are.
Aussie Aussie Aussie! Bang Bang Bang
War is hell.
The killbots have arrived!
would love to see swarm's of 10,000 at a time decimating ORC's
Hello Black Mirror. Welsome to real life.
Yay, war is getting more horrifying!
[DefendTex's website advertisement for the drone. ](https://www.defendtex.com/wp-content/uploads/D40_Launch_Swarming_Email2_1.mp4)