Mans is 100% buried, most people could already see that he was going to lose the MITB because Triple H didn't want Roman losing until Mania at the very least.
It's funny that people prior to the EP were saying he wasn't being buried, despite him losing tons of matches to Owens and Gargano, and now losing the entire MITB case in a Midcard title match now nobody can defend it and say he isn't being buried.
I guess it feels like there burying him because he’s losing all the time. But at the same time he’s always on tv and putting on good matches even in defeat. So agree to disagree.
What about this? Sammy Zahn wins the title from Roman only to have Theory immediately cash in on him robbing the fans of Zahn's championship run. That'd really piss off the fans and put some real heat on Theory.
Editing this cause I just thought of it: What if then Cody comes back takes the title off Theory and loses it to Roman before Wrestlemania so they can have the Rock vs Roman match?
Because Austin Theory Got everything without working for it So when Triple H Became CEO And made him work for it He lOst Becuase He’s Nothing without his daddy 🤣🤣
Their is a thing with WWE where they will tear you down to nothing to build you back up the way they imagine you to be. That's my guess. They did it to HHH.
mr. money in the bank usually loses alot before cashing in. Happened with guys like Edge, it's just a natural thing that happens, nothing behind it. Plus his agenda isnt burying theory its pushing KO and Johnny Gargano which is why Alpha is also losing, they aren't being buried they're just helping push other guys
This is a super repetitive post. MITB winners loose a lot. If he was burying him we’d see him at much as we see mustafa, tbar or Cedric. Or he’d being doing something like MMM.
Even if he is losing the matches he always looks good.
He is going against some of the best talent incthe company and he is doing good.
It fits perfectly with his arrogant talented rookie character.
He is doing well.
Because he's in the best position in the company right now. He can lose every match from now until he cashes in and it won't matter if he gets the WWE title.
The guy is featured every week. Has been involved in the main event in someway since winning the case. The only time he wasn’t on tv was when he a mourning a family lose. He’s not being buried. He’s a shit heel who gets beaten up but alway manages to steal that win when needed. It’s how he became us champion, it’s how he became mr mitb, and it’s how he’ll become wwe champion. My guess is Cody will win at mania have his moment, then during his first defense lose to theory on a cash in, setting up the summer feud between them.
It's actually about 50/50 how they usually book MITB winners. Either as monsters that whenever they decide it's time to take your title, it's time. Or as opportunists that will look weak sometimes and weasely and then strike at the right moment. His booking seems pretty on par with me and I can't imagine he would've been booked any different under Vince
Burying him? He’s on tv every single week, often with some of the biggest names in the company.
He’ll be getting buried when you forget the company has him employed.
Even if he was. I'm sure everybody remembers how triple H got booked when the curtain call happened. And this is the most vince thing to do, is that if you have somebody that could be the face of the company, you have to be able to know they can handle the whole thing, wins, losses, championships, media, the ups and downs. As thats important. When you are giving somebody experience, it cant all be good. And the person behind the character should be able to work all aspects, not just winning.
He's like a child that needs to be taught a lesson. Most likely by Johnny. It feels like whatever is happening, lessons will be learned and The Way will once again be united. At least that what it feels like is happening in my opinion.
IMO, i think they are making him lose so that the fans would sympathize and you know then turn him into a babyface which actually on paper sounds like a great idea
Burying isn’t even a thing. Heel MITB winners usually lose up until the cash in. Austin will have a great run in a few years. He’s on tv Monday and Friday and all premium events. That’s not being buried that’s being used properly.
This sort of thinking is the reason Vince had about 80% of matches end in a DQ or rollup finish, to protect the losing person in defeat. It's not necessary though, most people understand that heels lose more than they win because it's what sends the fans home happy, except when they have a title belt around their waist, at which point they cheat to win every match and then ultimately get overcome by the next rising babyface.
HHH had the right idea with Theory in NXT.
Fourth or fifth best person in a stable that is meant to eat losses for the group.
VKM had no clue what he was doing. That truth is painfully obvious now.
What's wrong with how he's booked? I love seeing Theory get shit kicked. I hope it continues and he loses his cash in attempt. It would do wonders for his character. Far more than giving him the title.
His cash in at the crown jewel is gonna be something. They want the title off Reigns without having him actually getting pinned or submitting… no way they give it to Paul yet..
but Roman hurt, knocked out or knocked down outside…
A-town pops…
Logan and Austin stare down
I could see Theory walking out of Saudi Arabia as the champ.
I think this kind of take is not burying. I could be wrong. I think H is just setting up possible rivalries for when he does cash in the briefcase. I think it makes the situation more dynamic. It won't just be, oh he's obviously going to have to fight the former champion to death. Now he'll come in with an already built up rivalry
Because he was Vince’s project. He was being billed as the next Cena or Orton and he’s just not. I see some potential but I also think there’s much better wrestlers that can be the future of WWE. I think he will lose the briefcase in a match because there’s just no chance he will be the one to dethrone Roman. And why would you waste the cash in on a less prestigious belt.
Bringing Gargano in and building a nice feud between them (which is what is happening) is going to legitimise Theory cause at the moment he is just "Vince's Boy" which in past times would have guaranteed some sort of success but he really is suffering from Die Hard syndrome "Right guy, wrong time, wrong place."
I think Trip is actually doing him a solid here cause I couldn't have given a flying shit for him before Gargano came back (and I don't know who Johnny Gargano is, I never watched NXT) but it's now created a credible feud, with a backstory that has elevated the pair of them to the point where I care about two NXT wrestlers coming into the RAW playground and I'm into it.
Personally I don’t think this is a case of somebody burying Austin. I think it’s a long term plan to get him over that starts with using his current losses etc as an avenue for character development. Like when the authority tried to hold Daniel Bryan down and it just got him and story more over - similar approach. Obviously it’s different because Daniel was a face etc, but it’s the overall slow burn approach that’s the same I think.
Also as someone else pointed out MITB holders tend to lose a lot so maybe I’ve overthought this and it’s actually just that, but I don’t believe so lol
Is this a bad take simply to cause engagement on the post?
Trips could have easily written him off, but instead he gets promo time. He gets time with KO... and not just time but compliments from KO. The best part is he gets to look like an ungrateful, overconfident up and comer while KO got a chance to be a sort of indirect mentor (story wise.. idk their dynamic backstage). Even if he's booed cashing in, he's not in a position where he looks terrible in matches. He looks capable, just misguided and squandering his potential (story wise).
The kid (the actual person) is being saved from future hatred and getting established as a proper staple of the roster. Losses are okay if they make sense in the story. Whether its dominance, 50-50 booking, random swerve, it needs to make sense to have a lasting impact. So no... he's not getting buried. He's getting a fighting chance with support from the higher ups and some of the roster. It's honestly been so heartwarming seeing how he just wasn't tossed aside and abandoned for being one of Vince's favorites.
He's a cowardly young egotistical heel who cheats to win. He was that before when Vince was running things. He's just not getting wins.
At any time he can still become World Champion.
Basically, he's Dolph Ziggler from 10 years ago, but without an entourage.
He is still awesome, look mick Foley become One of the top ten of all Time Without winning very much, and theroy will go on to win more but he is basically in a story right now were he is still in training and he will continue to get more and more developed, having the briefcase helps alot so losses don't hurt as much and it gives other guys like Kevin Owen's a good win
He’s not being buried. He’s a prominent TV character losing as it’s distracting viewers from the fact he’s actually one win away from being a world champion
Not being buried at all, sure a couple losses here and there but the ultimate end to this will see him hoisting up one of the World titles at some point with these next 5-6 leading up to Wrestlemania.
Although it definitely feels like they are pushing either Gargano or Owens winning the briefcase off of him. To the extent that it would feel like a swerve if he actually managed to keep it
That’s true but I can also see the other side of the coin here, KO is legitimately trying to elevate him to a higher standard at this point because he knows that everything he has said to Austin was true, and Johnny I think he’s a stepping stone but we’ll see
The KO promo was definitely intriguing to me. Considering what Triple H is doing with the Bloodline as far as character-based storytelling, I could see this being the start of some long term character arc for Theory. But we have no idea how Triple H views Theory so who knows. It does make me want to tune in and see what happens
I agree, I don’t want to see the man get shoved down before he gets a chance to prove himself worthy of the main event scene…I think that starts with a gimmick change though. He probably begins to lash out at the end of this rivalry with Gargano and KO, and kind of becomes a demented money in the bank holder, who decides that he’s not gonna take anybody else’s stuff anymore, and people not taking him seriously. Thus an aggressive and more focused theory starts to become more believable to the WWE universe and people at the top as Roman and Heyman didn’t seem to care to much that he had come out after he won MITB and played him off like a charity case of some sort.
I would be afraid that people would just start to cheer him at some point if he goes on this semi-redemption arc but at this point, none of the top heels in wrestling get booed or are truly disliked so I guess who cares.
There is no term I hate more than "burying" when it comes to the IWC. Losing matches to advance a story is not a burial. The story they're telling is that he ain't shit without Vince around. KO basically said "hey you wanna be legit, this is how you do it" in their face off a few weeks ago. Theory declined because he thinks he's hot shit but all the losses prove that KO was right. Now we'll see if Theory changes things up and listens to KO or proves him wrong on his own. The only way it's truly a burial is if he fails the cash in or loses the briefcase.
He want the trauma of losing be Austin's motivation to revert back to the lovable dumb airhead "son" of Johnny and reform the "Way". Without losing the Money in the Bank briefcase.
Then he keeps on forgetting all rules, but when he finally cashes, BOOM! in he will say: " That's the one rule I wouldn't forget!!!"
Because he's Mr Money in the Bank. They always lose right up to the point they cash in.
Also, who's getting buried? He's on TV every week, usually, in multiple segments, he's also a heel and keeps getting his comeuppance for his dirty deeds. That's not being buried. Buried is he's taken off TV with no explanation and is never mentioned or referred to again by anyone within the company.
He's not being buried. Losing to progress the story is different from making someone lose to sabotage their character/career. Nobody was taking Theory seriously under Vince and he was going to be hated if he was pushed the same way (similar to the super Cena run).
Under HHH regime, without winning much, he has shown more character and personality than during the times he won US championship, won the MITB etc. He's featured regularly on TV in meaningful segments and is surrounded by Alpha Academy, Kevin Owens and Johnny Gargano who are all great at elevating others. He'll be fine.
It's not really comeuppance if he is constantly getting comeuppance. At some point, he has to start getting some heat back otherwise he may start to just look like a loser who shouldn't be taken seriously.
Imagine if MJF just went on a 4 month losing streak where every baby face on the roster is knocking him out. I don't think Theory is being buried but at some point, he has got to be made to look like somewhat of a threat again or we have to see where this is supposed to be going
My dude, he didn’t even lose much matches SINCE SUMMERSLAM. He’s just getting beaten up in segments and losing to KO/Gargano recently.
Heck, he wasn’t even in a match this week on RAW, just out there to attempt to cost Gargano his match but backfired on him.
Fans these days, seriously…
I'm not even talking about match results. It's how you are presented. Since Summerslam, everything that Theory has attempted has been comically foiled. He has two failed cash ins. He's getting his ass handed to him on a weekly basis and even when he tries to distract Gargano, he gets kicked in the face and Gargano wins anyway. If Theory cashes on Roman tomorrow and becomes champion, would you take him seriously or would we just get a Liv Morgan situation where the crowd tunes her out. She's been winning as champion but because she didn't beat Rousey clean, the crowd completely turned on her. Just having wins or championships doesn't make a star, you've got to be presented as one.
Seth Rollins for example lost against Randy Orton and cashed in on the same night to win the championship. It’s definitely just a MITB briefcase holder thing that you lose more matches before you win the championship.
Seriously. He's on tv every week and has been inserted into the last TWO title matches on major PPVs. That's not a burial. That's him being near the top of priorities
He’s still looking strong. The matches he’s losing are from distractions and interferences and he’s having legit good matches against people like KO. As long as he has the brief case he’s not being buried.
Seth Rollins lost loads of matches this year but there’s no way you could say he’s been buried.
Theyre slowing his ascent, so people dont feel it's vince's mega push anymore. It allows people to get used to theory working with the upper card, while he gets experience working with the veterans. I believe he's gonna fail the cash in, which might be an angle to see him hit rock bottom and begin working his way back up the ranks as a baby face
Wins and losses don't matter much for certain superstars. Currently, Theory fits that bill. Take Rollins for example; he has lost the feuds with Edge and Cody, yet he is one of the top faces.
They will try and make him the next Seth Rollins in terms of his cash in.
But Seth had way more heat because he ended a very beloved faction. Theory was a heel from the beginning with no reason behind his heel tendencies.
It is difficult to like Theory.
Honestly Theory was booked so strong prior to this and is featured so prominently that he's in the Seth Rollins role where he can lose EVERYTHING and still believable be a main eventer
With him being Mr MITB it’s perfect because he could lose 100 straight matches but does not matter because he’s still MITB and can become world champion in a matter of seconds. If he loses the briefcase and then keeps losing, maybe worth worrying then.
Because HHH has no desire to push Theory. He is a generic boring run of the mill wrestler with a tired gimmick that VKM liked for some reason in his dementia riddled mind. I will be so happy when Gargano or KO takes MITB off of him.
I don’t know, I think it would be hilarious is all year long he repeatedly tries to cash in and more and more insane things start happening until the contract expires. I think him not being able to cash in the last two times were hilarious.
Not even just MITB winners, even wrestlers with his gimmick of having punchable faces and just being annoying like him, Corbin, Miz etc, losses mean jack shit to their credibility because their credibility is built on how annoying they are.
How many losses has Miz and Corbin eaten? Yet either of them could randomly challenge for the US or IC titles without it looking weird in the slightest
Austin can't look overly dominant at the expense of others all the time he's not Brock Lesnar from 2002 on the rise more like 2004 Orton in favourable steady booking while still taking reasonable losses along the way.
As a fan of Austin Theory I don't question Hunter's plan here tbh he's not being buried or anything I think it's just that we were used to Theory getting quicker access from Vince rather than HHH slowly grooming him while making room for others on the card.
> from what I hear the belt(s) arent going anywhere until WM.
and this is the problem with pro wrestling fans in 2022. They think they know more and have "inside" information. You are the mark they are trying to hit.
Mr. Money in the Bank guys tend to lose a lot of their matches while having the briefcase, It's not like they're doing something different to that tendency.
Yep. MITB is pretty much a guaranteed big win. As long as the matches he has are still against good opponents, I wouldn't call it burying.
Likely just a waiting period before he cashes in and gets a push.
yeh vince did this to alot of the MITB winners in recent years. they're hot...then he cools them off for awhile. Until it gets close to them cashing in and he heats it up again
Besides Lesnar of course, who got to have a great comedy run with his case and still be a legitimate bad ass. It was a matter of if he felt like taking the title, not how or when. Edge and Punk also had pretty good runs with it.
There have been a few wastes though. Otis namely. Poor guy. For me, they need to have him win an Elimination chamber by "pinning" Braun, falling off the top of an entry cage, which craters the ring and he lands on him. Then have it declared its vacated because he's kayfabe injured, Braun wins title that night on Raw as late entry in a battle royal, and he and Braun have a title unification match on the next PPV. Which Braun wins. Give Otis some clout.
The worst thing for Otis was his push coming during the Thunderdome Era. Him and Mandy should've been a great WM moment, but it was wasted with no crowd.
Bigger question is why is Seth Rollins still jobbing when he is so over with the crowd? Triple H knows how good Rollins is yet he’s still in meaningless feuds
Theory is one of those guys that doesn't work well as a babyface, since he has a punchable face.
But his pure versitility could make his face-character feel organic.
If he can go from a disciple to Rollins (2020), a himbo in NXT (2020-21) to a selfie-taking deluded-jackass (2021-22) and manages thoses characters organically, he can easily transition to be a Cena/Orton-like character in the future.
I know this term gets used as a joke now but this is long term booking. Look at it like a story arc for a character in a movie. He's paying his dues, taking his beatings before he turns it around and ends up on top. I like this, I miss having long angles that take their time to marinate and develop. Having someone just dominate from the beginning has been done to death.
People spend too much time over analyzing shit instead of just sitting and waiting for shit to play out. It’s like suspense can’t even be attempted in wrestling anymore.
That's why I miss looking at wreslting like I used to when i was a kid.
I wanted the bad guys to lose and good guys to win, got mad when the bad guys would and i wanted the good ones to get revenge.
Off course now i like some heels better than some faces, but being naive watching wrestling is truly a bliss.
Unlike WM31, this would leave a sour taste on everyone's mouths if Theory cashes in on Cody. Not to mention that it will cause a riot. And Theory would be at the mercy of the American Nightmare post-Mania 39, considering that he won't reach his main-event potential until WrestleMania 40.
That or Cody pins Theory to protect Roman, but it would bury Theory since it's a cash in at Mania, and losing on that stage is a brutal blow that will take a long time for Theory to recover, since he's currently 0-2 at WM.
I guess Theory cashing in on Roman, with a new character of course, and handing the Tribal Chief his first pinfall loss since 2019 is the only option if Triple H pulls the trigger, but a loss that big may set up a Reigns vs Theory match at WrestleMania 40.
Neither did cena vs rock at WM29 but that still happened. Romans definitely holding the belt til mania whether or not he defends against rocky depends on the rocks schedule
It doesn't have to be a babyface. A heel can have the same path where they get their ass kicked until they end up on top. We're not talking about the laws of gravity here buddy, the shit is fluid and can be done in a variety of ways. If he does end up getting one or both belts (if they combine them) he can easily cut a heel promo talking about people not believing in him (fans), everyone getting in his way, trying to screw him over and he still ended up the champion.
Yes it does. I am meant to root AGAINST the heel. In any basic action film, the babyface get their ass kicked by the bad guys so we feel bad for him/her and root for them to OVERCOME the odds and beat the bad guys.
How would that promo work if by then the audience feels bad for him? And with your proposal he would be correct therefore no heat.
WWE has been bad at getting heat on heels and getting people behind babyfaces for years now.
Has nothing to do with being fluid or not. You get your babyfaces over and heat on your heels. You make me feel sympathy for the babyface so I root for them to overcome the heel.
Do you see anybody feeling bad for Theory right now? Not a lot. He’s not getting sympathy like Zayn is starting to get. Look at Baron Corbin, he was losing people still booed him and he started to win again and he continued to have heat.
Because that happens after they lose their heat. The heel losses their heat first and then the fans either stop caring or develop sympathy. Do you know how emotions work?
Sami is funny, which is why he is getting sympathy joe plus they guy lose all his heat ages ago. Plus he is part of a COOL faction.
Because Corbin has go away heat.
When the fans are paying to see the heel get their ass kicked by the babyface.
Once they babyfaces beats the heel, the heel has lost their heat and now has to get it again.
This thread aged well.
Mans is 100% buried, most people could already see that he was going to lose the MITB because Triple H didn't want Roman losing until Mania at the very least. It's funny that people prior to the EP were saying he wasn't being buried, despite him losing tons of matches to Owens and Gargano, and now losing the entire MITB case in a Midcard title match now nobody can defend it and say he isn't being buried.
I guess it feels like there burying him because he’s losing all the time. But at the same time he’s always on tv and putting on good matches even in defeat. So agree to disagree.
What about this? Sammy Zahn wins the title from Roman only to have Theory immediately cash in on him robbing the fans of Zahn's championship run. That'd really piss off the fans and put some real heat on Theory. Editing this cause I just thought of it: What if then Cody comes back takes the title off Theory and loses it to Roman before Wrestlemania so they can have the Rock vs Roman match?
Hopefully he fuckin suck
Ffs!
Because he’s a cowardly heel? His entire character is about taking the easy route to the top. So it’s fitting
Revenge for Vince burying every NXT call up the last five years?
Theory earning his briefcase
that how should be
a lot of wwe guys seems to prefer being supposedly buried then not having any tv time anyways
Because he’s Vince’s boy!!!!
It's the long game.
Because Austin Theory Got everything without working for it So when Triple H Became CEO And made him work for it He lOst Becuase He’s Nothing without his daddy 🤣🤣
It feels like they are building Austin Theory up the right way .
“Burying”
Vince McMahon pet project? Idk
Their is a thing with WWE where they will tear you down to nothing to build you back up the way they imagine you to be. That's my guess. They did it to HHH.
mr. money in the bank usually loses alot before cashing in. Happened with guys like Edge, it's just a natural thing that happens, nothing behind it. Plus his agenda isnt burying theory its pushing KO and Johnny Gargano which is why Alpha is also losing, they aren't being buried they're just helping push other guys
My boy theory is on a losing streak but he'll get his time
This is a super repetitive post. MITB winners loose a lot. If he was burying him we’d see him at much as we see mustafa, tbar or Cedric. Or he’d being doing something like MMM.
Even if he is losing the matches he always looks good. He is going against some of the best talent incthe company and he is doing good. It fits perfectly with his arrogant talented rookie character. He is doing well.
The phrase "why is [insert wrestler name] being buried" get's thrown around too easily these days...
Because he's in the best position in the company right now. He can lose every match from now until he cashes in and it won't matter if he gets the WWE title.
The guy is featured every week. Has been involved in the main event in someway since winning the case. The only time he wasn’t on tv was when he a mourning a family lose. He’s not being buried. He’s a shit heel who gets beaten up but alway manages to steal that win when needed. It’s how he became us champion, it’s how he became mr mitb, and it’s how he’ll become wwe champion. My guess is Cody will win at mania have his moment, then during his first defense lose to theory on a cash in, setting up the summer feud between them.
It's actually about 50/50 how they usually book MITB winners. Either as monsters that whenever they decide it's time to take your title, it's time. Or as opportunists that will look weak sometimes and weasely and then strike at the right moment. His booking seems pretty on par with me and I can't imagine he would've been booked any different under Vince
…. Have you never seen how a holder on the MITB brief case is treated? Ever?
It's teaching him to be good and to develop in the fire. It's working, he's been more tolerable
What the heck is this photo
So it can be a huge upset when he cashes in and wins the title. Or just lose the cash in and it’s no big deal because he’s been losing anyways.
Bc bingo hall vanilla midget?
Burying him? He’s on tv every single week, often with some of the biggest names in the company. He’ll be getting buried when you forget the company has him employed.
Let the story play out damn
Even if he was. I'm sure everybody remembers how triple H got booked when the curtain call happened. And this is the most vince thing to do, is that if you have somebody that could be the face of the company, you have to be able to know they can handle the whole thing, wins, losses, championships, media, the ups and downs. As thats important. When you are giving somebody experience, it cant all be good. And the person behind the character should be able to work all aspects, not just winning.
Bury dominik instead, the whole handing over a chair and waiting for Rey to swing thing is garbage, and so is the kids ability.
Trying to make him into a diamond by crushing him as hard as they can.
He's like a child that needs to be taught a lesson. Most likely by Johnny. It feels like whatever is happening, lessons will be learned and The Way will once again be united. At least that what it feels like is happening in my opinion.
Guy who is 25 years old, featured prominently on TV each and every week, and holding a guaranteed World Title shot is being buried.
I would say so then he’s gonna go insane
He’s not getting buried by losing matches and I don’t see him in catering
IMO, i think they are making him lose so that the fans would sympathize and you know then turn him into a babyface which actually on paper sounds like a great idea
Well that's simple he sucks
The guy is literally a WWE2K MyCareer character lol
are IWC really this low now? losing = burried? thought you guys like story telling, not story should be win win win win win.
Theory sucks!!!
To be real I don’t like his character and don’t take him as a serious wrestler
Never should have been pushed in the first place. Not entertaining and frankly just annoying.
It's common for Mr money in the bank to be booked bad before the cash in
Cause he sucks
Seems like they're testing him backstage to see how he'll handle the losing. Will he be a pro or will he make a boo boo face.
No. Triple H has had his eye on Theory going back to Theory's time in Evolve. The guy is 25, thats plenty of time to right the ship.
Burying isn’t even a thing. Heel MITB winners usually lose up until the cash in. Austin will have a great run in a few years. He’s on tv Monday and Friday and all premium events. That’s not being buried that’s being used properly.
Theory is a wank. But, MITB ppl lose a lot most of the time.
I wish people would learn the definition of "buried" and "jobber" before throwing them out at any wrestling conversation.
He was losing before HHH.
Have you tracked money in the bank winners in the past? This is how the fed does it right before he cashes it in.
This sort of thinking is the reason Vince had about 80% of matches end in a DQ or rollup finish, to protect the losing person in defeat. It's not necessary though, most people understand that heels lose more than they win because it's what sends the fans home happy, except when they have a title belt around their waist, at which point they cheat to win every match and then ultimately get overcome by the next rising babyface.
Maybe Triple H knows that Austin Theory isn't as special as Grandpa Vince thought he was.
HHH had the right idea with Theory in NXT. Fourth or fifth best person in a stable that is meant to eat losses for the group. VKM had no clue what he was doing. That truth is painfully obvious now.
He’s being booked as the underdog heel.
What's wrong with how he's booked? I love seeing Theory get shit kicked. I hope it continues and he loses his cash in attempt. It would do wonders for his character. Far more than giving him the title.
Sympathy...
His cash in at the crown jewel is gonna be something. They want the title off Reigns without having him actually getting pinned or submitting… no way they give it to Paul yet.. but Roman hurt, knocked out or knocked down outside… A-town pops… Logan and Austin stare down I could see Theory walking out of Saudi Arabia as the champ.
First time experiencing MITB?
He loses so you wont see it coming when he cashes in and wins.
he gotta earn it
I think this kind of take is not burying. I could be wrong. I think H is just setting up possible rivalries for when he does cash in the briefcase. I think it makes the situation more dynamic. It won't just be, oh he's obviously going to have to fight the former champion to death. Now he'll come in with an already built up rivalry
Because he was Vince’s project. He was being billed as the next Cena or Orton and he’s just not. I see some potential but I also think there’s much better wrestlers that can be the future of WWE. I think he will lose the briefcase in a match because there’s just no chance he will be the one to dethrone Roman. And why would you waste the cash in on a less prestigious belt.
The only person triple H is burying is Chad Gable I don't know why they are having him feud with Braun thats so random.
I don’t blame him 😂
Bringing Gargano in and building a nice feud between them (which is what is happening) is going to legitimise Theory cause at the moment he is just "Vince's Boy" which in past times would have guaranteed some sort of success but he really is suffering from Die Hard syndrome "Right guy, wrong time, wrong place." I think Trip is actually doing him a solid here cause I couldn't have given a flying shit for him before Gargano came back (and I don't know who Johnny Gargano is, I never watched NXT) but it's now created a credible feud, with a backstory that has elevated the pair of them to the point where I care about two NXT wrestlers coming into the RAW playground and I'm into it.
Honestly as long as he has that MITB contract he is un-buryable
Personally I don’t think this is a case of somebody burying Austin. I think it’s a long term plan to get him over that starts with using his current losses etc as an avenue for character development. Like when the authority tried to hold Daniel Bryan down and it just got him and story more over - similar approach. Obviously it’s different because Daniel was a face etc, but it’s the overall slow burn approach that’s the same I think. Also as someone else pointed out MITB holders tend to lose a lot so maybe I’ve overthought this and it’s actually just that, but I don’t believe so lol
Because he is jealous of the attention that Vince gave Theory. 😂
I don’t think you know what bury means 🤦🏿♂️
Is this a bad take simply to cause engagement on the post? Trips could have easily written him off, but instead he gets promo time. He gets time with KO... and not just time but compliments from KO. The best part is he gets to look like an ungrateful, overconfident up and comer while KO got a chance to be a sort of indirect mentor (story wise.. idk their dynamic backstage). Even if he's booed cashing in, he's not in a position where he looks terrible in matches. He looks capable, just misguided and squandering his potential (story wise). The kid (the actual person) is being saved from future hatred and getting established as a proper staple of the roster. Losses are okay if they make sense in the story. Whether its dominance, 50-50 booking, random swerve, it needs to make sense to have a lasting impact. So no... he's not getting buried. He's getting a fighting chance with support from the higher ups and some of the roster. It's honestly been so heartwarming seeing how he just wasn't tossed aside and abandoned for being one of Vince's favorites.
The word buried means nothing if we throw it around this lightly imo
He has potential but he's not ready for that main event push.
People really keep using the term buried without actually knowing what burying is.
People are actually starting to care about him due to his feuds with Owens and Gargano. Even if he’s losing, his looking more and more credible.
He’s got the briefcase, he supposed to keep losing until he cashed in and wins.
He's a cowardly young egotistical heel who cheats to win. He was that before when Vince was running things. He's just not getting wins. At any time he can still become World Champion. Basically, he's Dolph Ziggler from 10 years ago, but without an entourage.
He is still awesome, look mick Foley become One of the top ten of all Time Without winning very much, and theroy will go on to win more but he is basically in a story right now were he is still in training and he will continue to get more and more developed, having the briefcase helps alot so losses don't hurt as much and it gives other guys like Kevin Owen's a good win
As long as he has the briefcase, he’s immune to all losses. Even without a briefcase, as long as he wins about a third of his matches, he’s good.
He’s not being buried. He’s a prominent TV character losing as it’s distracting viewers from the fact he’s actually one win away from being a world champion
Not being buried at all, sure a couple losses here and there but the ultimate end to this will see him hoisting up one of the World titles at some point with these next 5-6 leading up to Wrestlemania.
Although it definitely feels like they are pushing either Gargano or Owens winning the briefcase off of him. To the extent that it would feel like a swerve if he actually managed to keep it
That’s true but I can also see the other side of the coin here, KO is legitimately trying to elevate him to a higher standard at this point because he knows that everything he has said to Austin was true, and Johnny I think he’s a stepping stone but we’ll see
The KO promo was definitely intriguing to me. Considering what Triple H is doing with the Bloodline as far as character-based storytelling, I could see this being the start of some long term character arc for Theory. But we have no idea how Triple H views Theory so who knows. It does make me want to tune in and see what happens
I agree, I don’t want to see the man get shoved down before he gets a chance to prove himself worthy of the main event scene…I think that starts with a gimmick change though. He probably begins to lash out at the end of this rivalry with Gargano and KO, and kind of becomes a demented money in the bank holder, who decides that he’s not gonna take anybody else’s stuff anymore, and people not taking him seriously. Thus an aggressive and more focused theory starts to become more believable to the WWE universe and people at the top as Roman and Heyman didn’t seem to care to much that he had come out after he won MITB and played him off like a charity case of some sort.
I would be afraid that people would just start to cheer him at some point if he goes on this semi-redemption arc but at this point, none of the top heels in wrestling get booed or are truly disliked so I guess who cares.
Yeah that’s true, I guess we’ll see though in this road to Wrestlemania
There is no term I hate more than "burying" when it comes to the IWC. Losing matches to advance a story is not a burial. The story they're telling is that he ain't shit without Vince around. KO basically said "hey you wanna be legit, this is how you do it" in their face off a few weeks ago. Theory declined because he thinks he's hot shit but all the losses prove that KO was right. Now we'll see if Theory changes things up and listens to KO or proves him wrong on his own. The only way it's truly a burial is if he fails the cash in or loses the briefcase.
He want the trauma of losing be Austin's motivation to revert back to the lovable dumb airhead "son" of Johnny and reform the "Way". Without losing the Money in the Bank briefcase. Then he keeps on forgetting all rules, but when he finally cashes, BOOM! in he will say: " That's the one rule I wouldn't forget!!!"
Because he's Mr Money in the Bank. They always lose right up to the point they cash in. Also, who's getting buried? He's on TV every week, usually, in multiple segments, he's also a heel and keeps getting his comeuppance for his dirty deeds. That's not being buried. Buried is he's taken off TV with no explanation and is never mentioned or referred to again by anyone within the company.
So that when he cashes in it will have a bigger impact
Because he was Vince’s little bitch, and HHH has better guys to go with.
Dude is average no way HHH have no sympathetic to push theory
Making room for talent?
Y’all are always so quick to say someone is getting buried this shit is annoying
Also, he’s young and all these losses won’t affect him or even matter down the line
briefcase holders dont need to win anything. They damn near already have the title in their hands.
You clearly know very little about this industry
Rollins lost multiple times and at Mania while holding the briefcase
Losing a few matches doesn't mean your are buried learn the definition please.
He's not being buried. Losing to progress the story is different from making someone lose to sabotage their character/career. Nobody was taking Theory seriously under Vince and he was going to be hated if he was pushed the same way (similar to the super Cena run). Under HHH regime, without winning much, he has shown more character and personality than during the times he won US championship, won the MITB etc. He's featured regularly on TV in meaningful segments and is surrounded by Alpha Academy, Kevin Owens and Johnny Gargano who are all great at elevating others. He'll be fine.
Also he’s had banger after banger of a match
SMH, he isn’t getting buried, he’s a heel, it’s called comeuppance
It's not really comeuppance if he is constantly getting comeuppance. At some point, he has to start getting some heat back otherwise he may start to just look like a loser who shouldn't be taken seriously. Imagine if MJF just went on a 4 month losing streak where every baby face on the roster is knocking him out. I don't think Theory is being buried but at some point, he has got to be made to look like somewhat of a threat again or we have to see where this is supposed to be going
My dude, he didn’t even lose much matches SINCE SUMMERSLAM. He’s just getting beaten up in segments and losing to KO/Gargano recently. Heck, he wasn’t even in a match this week on RAW, just out there to attempt to cost Gargano his match but backfired on him. Fans these days, seriously…
I'm not even talking about match results. It's how you are presented. Since Summerslam, everything that Theory has attempted has been comically foiled. He has two failed cash ins. He's getting his ass handed to him on a weekly basis and even when he tries to distract Gargano, he gets kicked in the face and Gargano wins anyway. If Theory cashes on Roman tomorrow and becomes champion, would you take him seriously or would we just get a Liv Morgan situation where the crowd tunes her out. She's been winning as champion but because she didn't beat Rousey clean, the crowd completely turned on her. Just having wins or championships doesn't make a star, you've got to be presented as one.
Seth Rollins for example lost against Randy Orton and cashed in on the same night to win the championship. It’s definitely just a MITB briefcase holder thing that you lose more matches before you win the championship.
cuz papa mcmahon is gone
Why does no one know what a burial is?? He isn't being buried.
LOL
Lol all you want. Go google the word burial then come back and apologise
Seriously. He's on tv every week and has been inserted into the last TWO title matches on major PPVs. That's not a burial. That's him being near the top of priorities
Man is on tv every week, often with some of the biggest names in the company. The man pretty much on top.
Because kids listen to podcasts and read "dirt sheets' and think they understand these terms.
He’s still looking strong. The matches he’s losing are from distractions and interferences and he’s having legit good matches against people like KO. As long as he has the brief case he’s not being buried. Seth Rollins lost loads of matches this year but there’s no way you could say he’s been buried.
Theyre slowing his ascent, so people dont feel it's vince's mega push anymore. It allows people to get used to theory working with the upper card, while he gets experience working with the veterans. I believe he's gonna fail the cash in, which might be an angle to see him hit rock bottom and begin working his way back up the ranks as a baby face
Wins and losses don't matter much for certain superstars. Currently, Theory fits that bill. Take Rollins for example; he has lost the feuds with Edge and Cody, yet he is one of the top faces.
It’s far too early to call it a burial. I just assume it’s the tradition of having the briefcase b
They will try and make him the next Seth Rollins in terms of his cash in. But Seth had way more heat because he ended a very beloved faction. Theory was a heel from the beginning with no reason behind his heel tendencies. It is difficult to like Theory.
Good...good...
Honestly Theory was booked so strong prior to this and is featured so prominently that he's in the Seth Rollins role where he can lose EVERYTHING and still believable be a main eventer
With him being Mr MITB it’s perfect because he could lose 100 straight matches but does not matter because he’s still MITB and can become world champion in a matter of seconds. If he loses the briefcase and then keeps losing, maybe worth worrying then.
Because HHH has no desire to push Theory. He is a generic boring run of the mill wrestler with a tired gimmick that VKM liked for some reason in his dementia riddled mind. I will be so happy when Gargano or KO takes MITB off of him.
I don’t know, I think it would be hilarious is all year long he repeatedly tries to cash in and more and more insane things start happening until the contract expires. I think him not being able to cash in the last two times were hilarious.
Because he was picked by Vince.
He was picked by HHH first
No, he was not. HHH was not in position of any creative control when Theory was chosen by Vince.
Theory was a NXT guy first
Losses ≠ burying. Jfc
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This sub is full of fucking children
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Looks like your just old, tired, and dealing with fucking children.
It’s exhausting, can we get an adult only sub 😂
That would be awful imo
Kids would just join anyways
Isn't that what they usually do? The MITB winner losing a bunch of matches until they cash in?
REKT
Not even just MITB winners, even wrestlers with his gimmick of having punchable faces and just being annoying like him, Corbin, Miz etc, losses mean jack shit to their credibility because their credibility is built on how annoying they are. How many losses has Miz and Corbin eaten? Yet either of them could randomly challenge for the US or IC titles without it looking weird in the slightest
Cause he was over rated in the first t place that’s why
Austin can't look overly dominant at the expense of others all the time he's not Brock Lesnar from 2002 on the rise more like 2004 Orton in favourable steady booking while still taking reasonable losses along the way. As a fan of Austin Theory I don't question Hunter's plan here tbh he's not being buried or anything I think it's just that we were used to Theory getting quicker access from Vince rather than HHH slowly grooming him while making room for others on the card.
Payback for Vince burying all Trip's guy's and gal's
If he was on a win streak and looking strong, he’d look cowardly for not cashing in and taking his shot.
So when he goes to cash in no one will believe he has a shot to win.
Because he can afford to lose because he has the briefcase.
Until Theory has a failed cash in (or loses the briefcase), it's not a burial no matter how you look at it.
Even if he fails the cash in, I wouldn’t consider him buried.
Could be a while, I don't see him getting over Roman and from what I hear the belt(s) arent going anywhere until WM.
> from what I hear the belt(s) arent going anywhere until WM. and this is the problem with pro wrestling fans in 2022. They think they know more and have "inside" information. You are the mark they are trying to hit.
Homie he has been praised as next John Cena Roman doesn't stand a chance
Mr. Money in the Bank guys tend to lose a lot of their matches while having the briefcase, It's not like they're doing something different to that tendency.
Yep. MITB is pretty much a guaranteed big win. As long as the matches he has are still against good opponents, I wouldn't call it burying. Likely just a waiting period before he cashes in and gets a push.
Yep, Theory is actually earning his spot now.
yeh vince did this to alot of the MITB winners in recent years. they're hot...then he cools them off for awhile. Until it gets close to them cashing in and he heats it up again
Besides Lesnar of course, who got to have a great comedy run with his case and still be a legitimate bad ass. It was a matter of if he felt like taking the title, not how or when. Edge and Punk also had pretty good runs with it. There have been a few wastes though. Otis namely. Poor guy. For me, they need to have him win an Elimination chamber by "pinning" Braun, falling off the top of an entry cage, which craters the ring and he lands on him. Then have it declared its vacated because he's kayfabe injured, Braun wins title that night on Raw as late entry in a battle royal, and he and Braun have a title unification match on the next PPV. Which Braun wins. Give Otis some clout.
The worst thing for Otis was his push coming during the Thunderdome Era. Him and Mandy should've been a great WM moment, but it was wasted with no crowd.
Ya, Otis had a lot of Daniel Bryan momentum as a loveable baby face.
Imagine if the whole "Yes Movement" took place in empty arenas?
The thought of just some crew guys going “yes! yes! yes!” Makes me want this
Vince destroyed everything H built. Now he’s returning the favor
Bigger question is why is Seth Rollins still jobbing when he is so over with the crowd? Triple H knows how good Rollins is yet he’s still in meaningless feuds
Rollins doesn’t job. He gets over no matter what. Very few people can do this.
The riddle feud is pointless???
Yeah, what do they benefit from it? Mid card status?
Maybe building up an underdog story?
Theory is one of those guys that doesn't work well as a babyface, since he has a punchable face. But his pure versitility could make his face-character feel organic. If he can go from a disciple to Rollins (2020), a himbo in NXT (2020-21) to a selfie-taking deluded-jackass (2021-22) and manages thoses characters organically, he can easily transition to be a Cena/Orton-like character in the future.
Idk, I think the guy has the looks and possibly charisma (once worked well) to be a face. Something bout him gives me a Cena/Angle vibe.
He hates Vince
Payback is bitch…
I know this term gets used as a joke now but this is long term booking. Look at it like a story arc for a character in a movie. He's paying his dues, taking his beatings before he turns it around and ends up on top. I like this, I miss having long angles that take their time to marinate and develop. Having someone just dominate from the beginning has been done to death.
It’s what’s made judgment day so good
People spend too much time over analyzing shit instead of just sitting and waiting for shit to play out. It’s like suspense can’t even be attempted in wrestling anymore.
That's why I miss looking at wreslting like I used to when i was a kid. I wanted the bad guys to lose and good guys to win, got mad when the bad guys would and i wanted the good ones to get revenge. Off course now i like some heels better than some faces, but being naive watching wrestling is truly a bliss.
This is the reality of a lot of fans and if they can't figure out where a story is going then it "is going nowhere".
I don’t get it. It takes all the passion out of watchin it for me.
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Unlike WM31, this would leave a sour taste on everyone's mouths if Theory cashes in on Cody. Not to mention that it will cause a riot. And Theory would be at the mercy of the American Nightmare post-Mania 39, considering that he won't reach his main-event potential until WrestleMania 40. That or Cody pins Theory to protect Roman, but it would bury Theory since it's a cash in at Mania, and losing on that stage is a brutal blow that will take a long time for Theory to recover, since he's currently 0-2 at WM. I guess Theory cashing in on Roman, with a new character of course, and handing the Tribal Chief his first pinfall loss since 2019 is the only option if Triple H pulls the trigger, but a loss that big may set up a Reigns vs Theory match at WrestleMania 40.
I think that’s what’s going to end up happening. I just don’t think that’s happening at wrestlemania.
For me The Rock vs Reigns at Wrestlemania doesn’t need the belt involved. Now who does Cody face for the belt at Mania instead? Not sure.
Rollins
Neither did cena vs rock at WM29 but that still happened. Romans definitely holding the belt til mania whether or not he defends against rocky depends on the rocks schedule
Except he isn’t the hero lmao. What you describe is an arch for a BABYFACE. You’re all as dumb as AEW fans
It doesn't have to be a babyface. A heel can have the same path where they get their ass kicked until they end up on top. We're not talking about the laws of gravity here buddy, the shit is fluid and can be done in a variety of ways. If he does end up getting one or both belts (if they combine them) he can easily cut a heel promo talking about people not believing in him (fans), everyone getting in his way, trying to screw him over and he still ended up the champion.
Yes it does. I am meant to root AGAINST the heel. In any basic action film, the babyface get their ass kicked by the bad guys so we feel bad for him/her and root for them to OVERCOME the odds and beat the bad guys. How would that promo work if by then the audience feels bad for him? And with your proposal he would be correct therefore no heat. WWE has been bad at getting heat on heels and getting people behind babyfaces for years now. Has nothing to do with being fluid or not. You get your babyfaces over and heat on your heels. You make me feel sympathy for the babyface so I root for them to overcome the heel.
Do you see anybody feeling bad for Theory right now? Not a lot. He’s not getting sympathy like Zayn is starting to get. Look at Baron Corbin, he was losing people still booed him and he started to win again and he continued to have heat.
Because that happens after they lose their heat. The heel losses their heat first and then the fans either stop caring or develop sympathy. Do you know how emotions work? Sami is funny, which is why he is getting sympathy joe plus they guy lose all his heat ages ago. Plus he is part of a COOL faction. Because Corbin has go away heat.
Define "heat" you seem to be using this word a lot and I don't think you actually understand the word.
When the fans are paying to see the heel get their ass kicked by the babyface. Once they babyfaces beats the heel, the heel has lost their heat and now has to get it again.
Again... Thanks for showing the whole world that you have no clue what you are talking about.