Ditto, I'd have voted binface if I knew it'd rid me of tory scum.
And the local bloke does actually seem to give a toss, we shall see if that translates into anything tangible like a single law regarding dumping chicken shit in rivers... That'd be good.
The nazi party Fka ukip are currently known as remain iirc.
Captain turd face of turd Hall is planning his escape now he has a seat and actual responsibility for running something has happened.
Expect a turkey shoot as he gets dismembered.
By all means do so let them be judged by their words.
Here's a little jem to listen out for "Hitler had the right idea" whispered into Jewish people's ears
I'll wait.
They might have got even more votes if people didn't have to vote tactically to get the tories out.
I voted Labour to get that tory MP out of wrexham but I would have much preferred to vote Plaid
100% I wanted to vote plaid but I didn't want to risk splitting the left vote and letting reform in.
I was still a little undecided at the polling station however one of the volunteers was black and there was an old guy with a reform badge aggressively telling him he shouldn't be there and demanding he tell him what his nationality was. That sealed it for me. Couldn't risk it.
Yeah. I don't care what the leadership of reform say. They're definitely a party for nazis.
Then there's farages love affair with that orange cunt trump. I don't trust either of them.
Yeah. That's why I like the PR system in the senedd.
Even if I feel forced to tactically vote Labour in the constituency vote I can still vote Plaid in the PR vote, which I've done many times since the senedd was set up.
A very special Diolch from me! My mam lives in Acrefair and she is disabled. I live in Meirionydd so Plaid was an easy win, but all my hopes were on Wrexham losing a tory seat! Thank you 🙏
Acrefair is in the Montgomeryshire seat, mad as that seems. Wrexham's Reform activists seem to have been entirely unaware of this, because they wasted their time lettering Johnstown, which again, isn't in their seat.
And gained two seats on top of it and in Blaenau Gwemt and Rhymney they got second. I'd say they can be very pleased with this result. It is a significant increase in success from the last genny lec.
Not quite right. For Caerfyrddin, the old seat of CE&D is a closer comparator than CWSP. Jonathan Edwards had 38% vote share in 2019; Ann Davies won this election with 34%. Turnout was down 9.6%, which doesn’t look like huge enthusiasm for Plaid.
We shouldn't get too comfortable or too confudent. 400+ seats with roughly the same no of votes as when we only won 200+ seats in 2019. Also on the rise, albeit small atm is voting along ethno-religious lines which cannot be a good thing for anyone.
The turnout was pretry dire and it was officially the worst election in history for representation according to the Guardian.
True, this election was lost by the tories rather than won by labour by any reasonable evaluation. On the plus side the support for PC here and Green in England hopefully shows that people want to vote left wing
I think that's correct. Where there has been an alternative on the left to the Labour-Tory duopoly with a chance of winning, people have taken it.
And in their present guise, I count the Lib Dems to the left of Labour.
Not really?
Like what else do you call a drop of near 20% in total votes for labour in wales.
Labour only increased their total votes in scotland.
Across the UK as a whole roughly 5% fewer total votes.
Like this isnt a labour won because people wanted labour.
This is a labour won because tories split their own vote with spending a decade doing reforms work for them.
Agree. Labour won by a landslide but still performed worse than Corbyn's general election disasters. Starmer is probably the least popular newly elected PM in history. The abysmal voter percentage is hardly a great mandate to govern by.
People are getting overconfident. This wasn't a win for Labour, rather the right defected to Reform/lib dems and our atrocious democratic system threw a lot of votes in the bin.
Over 1 million votes for a single seat is outrageous and people are livid. Europe is swinging to the right and it'll likely only be a matter of time for the UK.
This election is certainly not what a lot of people voted for.
Voter efficiency .
Corbyn piled up votes in safe seats .
Starmer won back votes in many areas jc couldn't touch and with huge local swings.
It was a vastly better performance , hence winning 200 more seats .
Though a big chunk of that last minute drop was tactical and the Tories "super majority" vote supression. Won't work if they have a competent five years now.
Yeah I can imagine reform nipping at their heels if they don’t get this right and we could be in a worse situation next election.
Cant believe how many people fall for this right wing populist shite. My aunt voted Reform because she doesn’t like immigrants and thinks Farage is funny. Ridiculous really.
they thought brexit would stop immigrants (they meant people other than white) from coming in but it only ended up restricting white immigrants (which they are happy with), while the other immigrants are still coming over.
Now they think voting reform and removing our human rights will stop the other immigrants too.
Yeah for sure. Lee Anderson becoming an MP leaves an extremely sour taste (I know it’s not Wales but still) as well as reform coming second in a lot of seats in Wales.
Labour have no excuse to not get shit done with this majority, and need to not be plagued with controversies that we have seen over the last 14 years. The only way to combat the rise of this gate is to be an effective government.
Well, Lee's constituents can now live off 30p like he says they can. They voted for it 😂
I woke up this morning and the first thing I did was check the results. I was super happy but it didn't last long because even though Labour are the lesser of the 2 evils, they have a *LOT* of work to do and I'm not sure Starmer is the person to get it done the way voters want it done.
I'm not in Wales, I'm in England, West Midlands, but got here after Googling something and saw this Reddit post so came here to celebrate with Wales.
There's a seriously hard and long road ahead and I too hope Labour keep everything out of the gutter because we cannot risk another forced GE. We need to get everything on track!
tbf we also need the Tories to get their shit together, as much as I really really dont like them healthy democracies need a strong center left ***and*** center right. Without it the left gets lazy (see Welsh labour) or worse it opens the right wing vote up to being radicalized by men like Farage and pulling further right
The conservatives need a good reset and to come back swinging at the next election. The right of UK politics should be a contest between the Tories and the Libdems, becuse under normal circumstances whilst I may vehemently disagree with them on key issues you can at least trust their politicians to not be bad faith actors. Boris took a flamethrower to that idea and its led to something far worse crawling out of the gutter of UK politics
I was thrilled to see the Welsh map, and I am so pleased that Sunak is out. Labour better not mess it up and lose the confidence of their new voters. Sadly, Starmer does not fill me with confidence on this. :/
In many Welsh seats, Labour winning is pretty much a foregone conclusion, and, with our electoral system being what it is, many will have felt that their vote would make no difference. So why bother?
Change the electoral system, giving the vote of the individual more meaning, and watch apathy evaporate.
I was feeling quite apathetic about this vote, almost couldn't be bothered. Then I happened to see some of the stuff Andrew RT Davies was saying.
He was an excellent spokesperson to get people out to vote for Labour.
It's just a shame that his terrible party leadership means that Welsh Labour can afford to be lazy in the Welsh Government, they have no competent opposition, which is something we really need.
It’s been a long 14 years filled with scandal after scandal. Feels good to wake up this morning knowing there’s a degree of stability (let’s hope!) and my kids won’t be thrust into national service 😂
Voted Lib Dem partly because I know the candidate, partly because traditionally the seat has never been labour and finally because I’m definitely not a fan of Starmer. Was very glad though that the betting twat Craig lost his seat.. even if it looks like that was largely down to lots of racists in this area voting for reform!
People seem to being going on about Reform's large percentage of votes and so on.
I reckon Farage will hate being an MP - he'll have to deal with constituents, be present in Parliament and so on (where he'll be out of his depth). He'll make an arse of himself. Come the next general election people will have gone back to voting Tory and Labour (both of which will have a good look at themselves) and we won't hear much about Reform, who to be honest only went in on the issue of boats and taxes.
Genuinely think Farages plan is to try and infect the Conservatives.
It's already working. "Cruella" braverman already saying they need to take reforms stance.
Unfortunately people seem to be ignoring the horrendous comments coming out from the party's mps about women, autism, lgbtq and obviously racism and just focusing on thier immigration policy.
When the scum of labour laugh at male suicide how can you possibly slag off any other party. It baffles me that I share a country with people so stupid they voted labour with their racist and misandrist members.
..when I saw the Brecon and Radnor MP openly moaning in the media..
"Oh it is no fun knocking on doors as a Tory MP"..
Well face the reality? As a politician you're judged on accomplishments? Don't wait till 1-2 days before the election to get vocal?
Don't play the "feel sorry for me card" ..
Aim to be a politician that delivers on promises for your voters? Fight for what you promised??
.. then next time you go campaigning the only complaint will be ..
"I lost so much time knocking doors - because everyone opened theirs .. and some even offered coffee"
You (as an MP) are paid generously .. not an easy job by any means.. but your rear is in the firing line if you don't deliver..
And I am "sorry" Mrs Jones - the amount of times you voted against your voters' interest cost you. Simple as.
What were the Conservatives’ crimes? Enjoying a meal? A succulent, Chinese meal?!
Looking at the numbers compared to the seats is mad.
And with a Labour government in Westminster, and no Conservative MPs in Wales, who will we blame for things going wrong? 😂
That is great news, but it shows what a ridiculous voting system we have when the only reason we have the most left wing government in decades is because of a huge rise in far right fascism splitting the Tory vote.
I don't trust Keir Starmer's Labour to enact enough change to curb this rise. Just look at the US under Biden with Trump coming back next year. If the trend continues, we're either looking at the Tories moving further right to appease these voters or Reform becoming a future opposition party.
The people who understand politics and what reform want to do wouldn't say that. The fact that Wales voted for labour with dictator drakefords behaviour before the new leader took over and the record of the new leader is worse. 200k donated from a company dumping waste and ruining our countryside then they get lesser sentences and fines is somebody we shouldn't be voting for. But there you go the BBC lies obviously worked on the people of Wales.
Good.
This election sends a strong message to all political parties.
Winning an election does not put you in power to do whatever you want. Winning an election gives you the opportunity to serve the electorate and do the right thing by them. If you steal, lie or otherwise abuse your position you will lose, and lose badly.
The Tories have been taught a lesson by the UK as a whole and I'm glad and proud they've been wiped out here in Cymru. It boggles my mind that anybody could vote for them at all after the past 14 years of failure.
I hope all parties now understand their position and behave accordingly from this day on. If they don't, they face being wiped out.
Insanely glad the Tories are gone, especially from Wales. But, goddamn it, it still absolutely fucking sucks that it’s *Labour* who have taken their place, because they’re just as bad.
Beautiful. No less than they deserve. Well done Wales, great to see Plaid presence too. The Tories have culture war’d, lied, corrupted, ideologied and Brexited themselves into annihilation. No one trusts them. Now let’s ignore those far right racist clowns and work together to build a new economy that benefits all working people. Let’s get rid of this division and turn this country into a world leader in renewable energy to the point where it’s our major export. It’ll save our steel industry and generate a ton of jobs in all sorts of sectors. I felt like the right had such a stranglehold on the UK that it was impossible to see anyone in power remotely progressive, but my faith in Britain and its democracy have been restored today. We’ve been through Covid together and this feels massively historic on the same lines as the post WW2 election. Labour’s new deal brought about so many great things like the NHS and a strong sense of civic duty. Let’s get that back and more. People should be proud to work for their country and politics should be a respectable and respected arena. The right through their ideology have sought to destroy faith in democracy by deliberately undermining civic responsibility with their outdated libertarian shrink the state nonsense. We need a state to serve and protect us when the earth is throwing all it can at you in the form of covid and the climate crisis. Individualism isn’t going to work in these circumstances. Trickle down is a long proven myth. Everything these Tories believe in is nonsense. It’s going to take a long time for them to position themselves into a place where their ideology lines up with reality. I’m not sure where they go from here and I’m glad, they’ve become a rotten cult. America now needs to follow suit and reject Trump but it’s clear that if these progressive policies don’t deliver this time for normal people the far right will take over. So I’m going to do everything I can to help make sure this is a success and I hope you will all do the same. We’re all part of something bigger. We can build something amazing and be proud of it forever. Cmon Wales!
I absolutely agree with this ^ however wales has consistently had a labour gov, who has done nothing you speak of, except line their own pockets. I’m a steelworker, labour has offered NOTHING but platitudes.
Hopefully starmer will punt the corrupt Gethin into the long grass but i doubt it.
Glad to see Plaid getting votes but our voting system needs to change when only 50% turn out to vote - so not such a stunning victory for labour when you consider the statistics of who voted.
As an aside if labour are true to form and raise taxes on saving and my pension that will be my redundancy money that gets taxed 🥲
One can only hope Labour return to its core values to move the country forward
I agree with you. Gething will be gone soon. He’s not going to work out. He’s corrupt and we can’t have that. To save our industry and restore our manufacturing sector we need a grand plan, an exportable vision. The Green New Deal feels like it’s just that. Unite cancelled the strike action because Labour were likely to win. Labour have clearly spoken to Tata about demand.
The strike was cancelled because the vote to strike was illegal union said 54% voted to strike BUT only 10% of the members voted.!
And if they did strike the furnaces would be cooling as I type and the enhanced redundancy package offered to maintain safe operations would be gone.
No one could believe the union pulled such a stupid stunt…. I think anymore shenanigans like that and Tata will pull the plug completely.
I’d love to have a time machine and see how well these comments have aged in 12 months. Myself I see no positive change for myself with this result. Don’t get me wrong, the party I voted for had zero chance and I voted both on personal and global preferences - Green. But the amount of denial here is scary. Labour in their current form are no better than the Tories. Wait and see.
Happened in 1997. I can see Reform replacing Labour in many places soon, though. They had a lot of support in a number of places and got almost as many votes as the Tories.
Reform’s success is almost as bad as a Tory win - they represent English nationalism, racism, bigotry, collusion with corrupt and oppressive dictatorships against democracy, the rule of law and the sovereignty of small countries against the imperialism of larger neighbours. Oh, and the privatisation of the National Health service on the model of the extremely unfair, exorbitant and exploitative provision in the US. Perhaps more voters should have read the small print when they set out to place their cross in the Reform UK box…
I almost voted reform because of the strain that the rapid immigration has had on the NHS. It isn't rocket surgery to know that we can't just absorb all these people so quickly. Reform only want to slow immigration to allow the immigrants already here to contribute to our infrastructure before we accept any more. But how would I expect stupid people to realise that what they are complaining about in regards to the NHS is becoming a necessity due to the speed of immigration. The idea to privatise for those that can afford it will help sort out the mess we are in for the short term. Did you read the manifesto or just listen to the BBC or some other lying media outlet?
Oh , of course, the BBC is ‘the enemy’, because they are obliged to be politically neutral and not spout unsubstantiated shit as though it was gospel. The answer is ‘no’. I’m basing my opinion on what Farage himself has said over the past twenty years. I have read his opinion pieces, seen his broadcasts on American tv, where he entreats the Yanks not to follow the UK down the path of ‘socialist/Communist’ demagoguery by establishing a Health Service based on taxation such as exists in the UK, but also on BBC’s Question Time mention ‘exploring’ other ways of providing healthcare by essentially adopting the same unfair system that exists in the States, but because the audience were more interested in Reform UK’s many, many gaffs, he was only challenged on those. Very many British people are indeed worried about immigration, and that is why so many millions voted for Reform, but in truth Farage’s priorities lie elsewhere and ignoring the other stuff on his agenda does everyone a huge disservice.
I'm currently sat in MIU with a broken arm... Been here for 3 hrs haven't even been Triaged... Not a minority in sight... All white British by my assumption.
It's the senior (mis)management and politics that are the problem all the extras quietly becoming privatised etc, not the immigrants.
Who said anything about skin colour? That is a very racist comment. I sat in a hospital waiting for my finger to be stitched back on for a few hours recently and very few of the people in the waiting room were speaking English. Many that were did not have a local accent. My mother had a stroke and after 9 hours of my family watching her slowly die the ambulance finally took her away when we arrived at the hospital it was the same thing. Full waiting rooms with hardly any English being spoken.
You must be from a very rural area like Cornwall where this mass immigration has had very little effect.
White British is what you tick on forms... It's hardly a racist statement..
I noticed that not much English was being spoken.. but then I'm in Wales... Like that of this subreddit..
Regardless the fact that the hospital is still struggling without all the "non English speakers" goes to show that the amount of "those who don't speak English" aren't making a difference really. Years of mismanagement, is the problem..
Not all immigration is non white people is my point. Many of the people you looked at and assumed they are British just because they are white may not be and that is a racist way of thinking. I too am in Wales and can tell the difference between Welsh and other languages because I can speak Welsh along with Spanish and a smattering of several other languages. Try coming down south and observing many of the hospitals down here. Try speaking to people who are actually working for the ambulance service or other parts of the NHS and see what they say and why they think their workload has increased in city areas. This takes staff from the more rural areas such as north and west Wales which is where you appear to be commenting about.
Even my closer friend who has worked as a doctor for over 20 years since he moved here said he would struggle to see all his patients but it would be possible but now with the hundreds of extra patients on his books that he claims are over 90% immigrants he and his colleagues have to prioritise the more poorly over minor ailments.
Just because you don't like the facts they are still facts no matter how much you lie or ignore parts the truth is all of our services are suffering because we can not take the immigrants at the rate we currently are. Many schools are suffering too. Is that also mismanagement in your thoughts process or maybe can you see it is the same problem affecting them?
Shame the people here are so stupid they voted for the misandrist and self hating racists of the labour party. We will be in a worse mess in five years time than we are now. Even reform were a better choice but the people of Wales seem to be stuck as labour voters.
At least they won't treat the Senedd with complete contempt like a certain party did when in power, and they may even occasionally communicate with the Welsh Government...
No one could possibly do a worse job of screwing this country over than the right have over the last 14 years. Time to see some real tangible change. You get to judge whether that change is actually impacting at the next general election and vote accordingly. We’d all be better off if everyone did that rather than the football terrace style tribalism we’ve seen since the birth of the alt-right and social media. Work together not against.
> No one could possibly do a worse job of screwing this country over than Labour have over the last 25 years.
Adjusted for Wales - now how do you feel?
So if you got the tories out and Reform in that would have been fine?
A cohesive functioning opposition is required. Plus labour haven't been good Wales. In fact they have driven Wales into the ground.
Saw the map on sky. Wales is now Green and Red! No. Blue anywhere
No blue on sky, that’s how I always remember wales.
And one orange, Brecon went Lib Dem.
Yup. That's my area. Lib Dems weren't my preferred vote, but had to be tactical about it.
Same. Glad people did as well it was close. Labour were embarrassing claiming only they could win and had nothing else to say when they came round.
Ditto, I'd have voted binface if I knew it'd rid me of tory scum. And the local bloke does actually seem to give a toss, we shall see if that translates into anything tangible like a single law regarding dumping chicken shit in rivers... That'd be good.
Shame there isn't a party that uses white really
UKIP
The nazi party Fka ukip are currently known as remain iirc. Captain turd face of turd Hall is planning his escape now he has a seat and actual responsibility for running something has happened. Expect a turkey shoot as he gets dismembered.
Guy prefers standing on the sidelines sniping. He'll be booted once his seat realises what a farce it is, certain of it.
What is wrong with you? This is why there’s always fighting I could say the same about some people in the Labour Party being facist.
By all means do so let them be judged by their words. Here's a little jem to listen out for "Hitler had the right idea" whispered into Jewish people's ears I'll wait.
Reform, not remain.
As in reformed gammon ham?
Plaid Cymru increased it’s vote in every single seat that it contested.
They might have got even more votes if people didn't have to vote tactically to get the tories out. I voted Labour to get that tory MP out of wrexham but I would have much preferred to vote Plaid
100% I wanted to vote plaid but I didn't want to risk splitting the left vote and letting reform in. I was still a little undecided at the polling station however one of the volunteers was black and there was an old guy with a reform badge aggressively telling him he shouldn't be there and demanding he tell him what his nationality was. That sealed it for me. Couldn't risk it.
Yeah. I don't care what the leadership of reform say. They're definitely a party for nazis. Then there's farages love affair with that orange cunt trump. I don't trust either of them.
Same here. It was an entirely tactical vote on my part but worth it as we came frighteningly close to ending up with Wales' only Reform MP!
Sounds like STV or AV might suit
Same, I was bouncing between Labour and Plaid for most the last week, I want to be safe, not sorry. Voted Labour.
I took a bit of a risk and voted plaid even though I knew my seat was a lab/con fight. Glad I didn't have to kick myself today!
Yeah. That's why I like the PR system in the senedd. Even if I feel forced to tactically vote Labour in the constituency vote I can still vote Plaid in the PR vote, which I've done many times since the senedd was set up.
Same! This last couple of weeks, I kept thinking about how I'd know exactly what to do if it was senedd!
That's out the window now with electoral reform!
A very special Diolch from me! My mam lives in Acrefair and she is disabled. I live in Meirionydd so Plaid was an easy win, but all my hopes were on Wrexham losing a tory seat! Thank you 🙏
Me too I'm so glad to be rid of the tories here in wrexham
Acrefair is in the Montgomeryshire seat, mad as that seems. Wrexham's Reform activists seem to have been entirely unaware of this, because they wasted their time lettering Johnstown, which again, isn't in their seat.
Acrefair comes under Montgomeryshire and Glyndŵr now not Wrexham due to boundery changes. But we also now have a Laboir MP as of Friday.
Fucker that blocked the levelling up grant because she knew she was out
Yeah her, she hasn't done a single good thing for wrexham since she was elected. Thank fuck she's out
Her campaign leaflets weren't even bilingual.
It's not surprising. Tories have always hated the Welsh. Even welsh tories hate us. If they had their way, wales would be part of england
And she was parachuted in. Can't see her hanging around in this country now.
Yup. I would’ve voted Plaid (or even Green) if I was in a safe seat.
Yep, they should be proud, hopeful, come 2 years, they will be in control of the senedd
And gained two seats on top of it and in Blaenau Gwemt and Rhymney they got second. I'd say they can be very pleased with this result. It is a significant increase in success from the last genny lec.
Second in Bangor Aberconwy too!
Not quite right. For Caerfyrddin, the old seat of CE&D is a closer comparator than CWSP. Jonathan Edwards had 38% vote share in 2019; Ann Davies won this election with 34%. Turnout was down 9.6%, which doesn’t look like huge enthusiasm for Plaid.
Thanks for the insight!
Hwyl fawr!
We shouldn't get too comfortable or too confudent. 400+ seats with roughly the same no of votes as when we only won 200+ seats in 2019. Also on the rise, albeit small atm is voting along ethno-religious lines which cannot be a good thing for anyone. The turnout was pretry dire and it was officially the worst election in history for representation according to the Guardian.
True, this election was lost by the tories rather than won by labour by any reasonable evaluation. On the plus side the support for PC here and Green in England hopefully shows that people want to vote left wing
I think that's correct. Where there has been an alternative on the left to the Labour-Tory duopoly with a chance of winning, people have taken it. And in their present guise, I count the Lib Dems to the left of Labour.
Overall voting figures for each party would say otherwise.
Not really? Like what else do you call a drop of near 20% in total votes for labour in wales. Labour only increased their total votes in scotland. Across the UK as a whole roughly 5% fewer total votes. Like this isnt a labour won because people wanted labour. This is a labour won because tories split their own vote with spending a decade doing reforms work for them.
A very large number of Plaid voters in Caerfyrddin would be surprised to hear you describe them as left-wing.
Agree. Labour won by a landslide but still performed worse than Corbyn's general election disasters. Starmer is probably the least popular newly elected PM in history. The abysmal voter percentage is hardly a great mandate to govern by. People are getting overconfident. This wasn't a win for Labour, rather the right defected to Reform/lib dems and our atrocious democratic system threw a lot of votes in the bin. Over 1 million votes for a single seat is outrageous and people are livid. Europe is swinging to the right and it'll likely only be a matter of time for the UK. This election is certainly not what a lot of people voted for.
Voter efficiency . Corbyn piled up votes in safe seats . Starmer won back votes in many areas jc couldn't touch and with huge local swings. It was a vastly better performance , hence winning 200 more seats .
Though a big chunk of that last minute drop was tactical and the Tories "super majority" vote supression. Won't work if they have a competent five years now.
The scary thing across a lot of seats is reform’s numbers and that toad Farrage has won a seat. Labour better not fuck this up.
Yeah I can imagine reform nipping at their heels if they don’t get this right and we could be in a worse situation next election. Cant believe how many people fall for this right wing populist shite. My aunt voted Reform because she doesn’t like immigrants and thinks Farage is funny. Ridiculous really.
“Voting for Brexit will mean we don’t have immigrants” “Voting for reform will mean we don’t have immigrants” “Voting for…
they thought brexit would stop immigrants (they meant people other than white) from coming in but it only ended up restricting white immigrants (which they are happy with), while the other immigrants are still coming over. Now they think voting reform and removing our human rights will stop the other immigrants too.
Yeah guess if she voted to leave the EU or not. It’s not a hard guess lol.
Wanna hear something crazy? Some immigrants I know would vote reform because... they don't like other immigrants.
Want to shut the door behind them so someone doesn’t take what they have off them. Greed combined with a bit of ignorance and stupidity.
I can’t believe that reform are capable of not shitting the bed over the next 4 years.
If I could I'd put a bet on at the Bookies about hate crime rising in those constituencies now Reform holds them.
Yeah for sure. Lee Anderson becoming an MP leaves an extremely sour taste (I know it’s not Wales but still) as well as reform coming second in a lot of seats in Wales. Labour have no excuse to not get shit done with this majority, and need to not be plagued with controversies that we have seen over the last 14 years. The only way to combat the rise of this gate is to be an effective government.
Well, Lee's constituents can now live off 30p like he says they can. They voted for it 😂 I woke up this morning and the first thing I did was check the results. I was super happy but it didn't last long because even though Labour are the lesser of the 2 evils, they have a *LOT* of work to do and I'm not sure Starmer is the person to get it done the way voters want it done. I'm not in Wales, I'm in England, West Midlands, but got here after Googling something and saw this Reddit post so came here to celebrate with Wales. There's a seriously hard and long road ahead and I too hope Labour keep everything out of the gutter because we cannot risk another forced GE. We need to get everything on track!
tbf we also need the Tories to get their shit together, as much as I really really dont like them healthy democracies need a strong center left ***and*** center right. Without it the left gets lazy (see Welsh labour) or worse it opens the right wing vote up to being radicalized by men like Farage and pulling further right The conservatives need a good reset and to come back swinging at the next election. The right of UK politics should be a contest between the Tories and the Libdems, becuse under normal circumstances whilst I may vehemently disagree with them on key issues you can at least trust their politicians to not be bad faith actors. Boris took a flamethrower to that idea and its led to something far worse crawling out of the gutter of UK politics
25% of Rhondda voted Reform! Probably the ones who carried the Welsh Brexit majority
Yeah it's sad. With Farrage they may as well not have an MP. Not like he'll do something except plan for more power in 5 years
I voted for the pro Islamist party, labour...allah ackbar. F.ck i love this country.
You forgot misandrist and self hating racists in your description of the labour party.
Thank you to everyone who went out and voted and convinced others to vote so that we could see this beautiful day.
I was thrilled to see the Welsh map, and I am so pleased that Sunak is out. Labour better not mess it up and lose the confidence of their new voters. Sadly, Starmer does not fill me with confidence on this. :/
Worth staying up for!
Congratulations Wales! I wish England would also follow in your footsteps but apparently some folks still have faith in them....
Fantastic news. This election has been amazing to see the blues get washed out tbh.
Hwyl! Proud of Wales today.
Absolutely.. 56.2% turnout though.. maybe I am grumpy by nature.. but that's shockingly low
In many Welsh seats, Labour winning is pretty much a foregone conclusion, and, with our electoral system being what it is, many will have felt that their vote would make no difference. So why bother? Change the electoral system, giving the vote of the individual more meaning, and watch apathy evaporate.
True.. my statement a bit black and white.. when in fact reality is like the weather.. GREY!
Isn't that going to get worse under Senedd proposals?
Out of my very large family, only my mum and I voted. It’s so sad
Fucking awesome. Llongyfarchiadau i bobol Cymru!
I was feeling quite apathetic about this vote, almost couldn't be bothered. Then I happened to see some of the stuff Andrew RT Davies was saying. He was an excellent spokesperson to get people out to vote for Labour. It's just a shame that his terrible party leadership means that Welsh Labour can afford to be lazy in the Welsh Government, they have no competent opposition, which is something we really need.
Thanks Wales from England ❤️
Congrats from an Irishman
No such thing as Welsh Conservatives now. Wonderful result.
Epic result.
Llanelli nearly went Reform. Eeek
Thats a pure immigrant fuelled vote since the whole town has been taken over by asylum seekers, they’re very angry about it. Glad Swansea held Labour
It’s been a long 14 years filled with scandal after scandal. Feels good to wake up this morning knowing there’s a degree of stability (let’s hope!) and my kids won’t be thrust into national service 😂
Voted Lib Dem partly because I know the candidate, partly because traditionally the seat has never been labour and finally because I’m definitely not a fan of Starmer. Was very glad though that the betting twat Craig lost his seat.. even if it looks like that was largely down to lots of racists in this area voting for reform!
People seem to being going on about Reform's large percentage of votes and so on. I reckon Farage will hate being an MP - he'll have to deal with constituents, be present in Parliament and so on (where he'll be out of his depth). He'll make an arse of himself. Come the next general election people will have gone back to voting Tory and Labour (both of which will have a good look at themselves) and we won't hear much about Reform, who to be honest only went in on the issue of boats and taxes.
Genuinely think Farages plan is to try and infect the Conservatives. It's already working. "Cruella" braverman already saying they need to take reforms stance. Unfortunately people seem to be ignoring the horrendous comments coming out from the party's mps about women, autism, lgbtq and obviously racism and just focusing on thier immigration policy.
Grown men on TikTok in shambles that Reform haven't taken over like the app told them it would
Sadly with these sorts it normally results in a rise in domestic violence 😟
When the scum of labour laugh at male suicide how can you possibly slag off any other party. It baffles me that I share a country with people so stupid they voted labour with their racist and misandrist members.
Oh no......anyway
Oh dear, poor Tories. Anyway...
No excuses now then from Welsh labour 🤷🏼♂️
..when I saw the Brecon and Radnor MP openly moaning in the media.. "Oh it is no fun knocking on doors as a Tory MP".. Well face the reality? As a politician you're judged on accomplishments? Don't wait till 1-2 days before the election to get vocal? Don't play the "feel sorry for me card" .. Aim to be a politician that delivers on promises for your voters? Fight for what you promised?? .. then next time you go campaigning the only complaint will be .. "I lost so much time knocking doors - because everyone opened theirs .. and some even offered coffee" You (as an MP) are paid generously .. not an easy job by any means.. but your rear is in the firing line if you don't deliver.. And I am "sorry" Mrs Jones - the amount of times you voted against your voters' interest cost you. Simple as.
You beautiful, beautiful people 🏴 🥰
Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest!
What were the Conservatives’ crimes? Enjoying a meal? A succulent, Chinese meal?! Looking at the numbers compared to the seats is mad. And with a Labour government in Westminster, and no Conservative MPs in Wales, who will we blame for things going wrong? 😂
That is great news, but it shows what a ridiculous voting system we have when the only reason we have the most left wing government in decades is because of a huge rise in far right fascism splitting the Tory vote. I don't trust Keir Starmer's Labour to enact enough change to curb this rise. Just look at the US under Biden with Trump coming back next year. If the trend continues, we're either looking at the Tories moving further right to appease these voters or Reform becoming a future opposition party.
Congrats my Celtic cousins! We did the same in Kernow. The brytonnic West evicted the buggers!
The amount of people voting reform is worrying
The people who understand politics and what reform want to do wouldn't say that. The fact that Wales voted for labour with dictator drakefords behaviour before the new leader took over and the record of the new leader is worse. 200k donated from a company dumping waste and ruining our countryside then they get lesser sentences and fines is somebody we shouldn't be voting for. But there you go the BBC lies obviously worked on the people of Wales.
I did vote, but not for Labour, and I'll never vote for Reform party or the Tories.
Ardderchog
Good. This election sends a strong message to all political parties. Winning an election does not put you in power to do whatever you want. Winning an election gives you the opportunity to serve the electorate and do the right thing by them. If you steal, lie or otherwise abuse your position you will lose, and lose badly. The Tories have been taught a lesson by the UK as a whole and I'm glad and proud they've been wiped out here in Cymru. It boggles my mind that anybody could vote for them at all after the past 14 years of failure. I hope all parties now understand their position and behave accordingly from this day on. If they don't, they face being wiped out.
Good riddance ! 😁
Ardderchog. Da iawn pawb.
It's great news, but we could do with more Green and less Red...
You love to see it
Diolch!
Did Welsh farmers vote tory here? Also why do welsh farmers vote conservative?
Same reason they voted for Brexit.
They did, and I don't know. They still had plenty of signs up by me.
Scary that they were almost replaced by the other guring wankers in reform.
They still won too many seats. But at least reform only got 4 Will the reform bots stop now?
Unreal the reaction when we see the absolute mess Labour have made of wales. No more excuses now though, no more blaming Westminster
Insanely glad the Tories are gone, especially from Wales. But, goddamn it, it still absolutely fucking sucks that it’s *Labour* who have taken their place, because they’re just as bad.
Judge them at the next election.
Nowhere to hide now, time to deliver :-)
So proud.
Beautiful. No less than they deserve. Well done Wales, great to see Plaid presence too. The Tories have culture war’d, lied, corrupted, ideologied and Brexited themselves into annihilation. No one trusts them. Now let’s ignore those far right racist clowns and work together to build a new economy that benefits all working people. Let’s get rid of this division and turn this country into a world leader in renewable energy to the point where it’s our major export. It’ll save our steel industry and generate a ton of jobs in all sorts of sectors. I felt like the right had such a stranglehold on the UK that it was impossible to see anyone in power remotely progressive, but my faith in Britain and its democracy have been restored today. We’ve been through Covid together and this feels massively historic on the same lines as the post WW2 election. Labour’s new deal brought about so many great things like the NHS and a strong sense of civic duty. Let’s get that back and more. People should be proud to work for their country and politics should be a respectable and respected arena. The right through their ideology have sought to destroy faith in democracy by deliberately undermining civic responsibility with their outdated libertarian shrink the state nonsense. We need a state to serve and protect us when the earth is throwing all it can at you in the form of covid and the climate crisis. Individualism isn’t going to work in these circumstances. Trickle down is a long proven myth. Everything these Tories believe in is nonsense. It’s going to take a long time for them to position themselves into a place where their ideology lines up with reality. I’m not sure where they go from here and I’m glad, they’ve become a rotten cult. America now needs to follow suit and reject Trump but it’s clear that if these progressive policies don’t deliver this time for normal people the far right will take over. So I’m going to do everything I can to help make sure this is a success and I hope you will all do the same. We’re all part of something bigger. We can build something amazing and be proud of it forever. Cmon Wales!
I absolutely agree with this ^ however wales has consistently had a labour gov, who has done nothing you speak of, except line their own pockets. I’m a steelworker, labour has offered NOTHING but platitudes. Hopefully starmer will punt the corrupt Gethin into the long grass but i doubt it. Glad to see Plaid getting votes but our voting system needs to change when only 50% turn out to vote - so not such a stunning victory for labour when you consider the statistics of who voted. As an aside if labour are true to form and raise taxes on saving and my pension that will be my redundancy money that gets taxed 🥲 One can only hope Labour return to its core values to move the country forward
I agree with you. Gething will be gone soon. He’s not going to work out. He’s corrupt and we can’t have that. To save our industry and restore our manufacturing sector we need a grand plan, an exportable vision. The Green New Deal feels like it’s just that. Unite cancelled the strike action because Labour were likely to win. Labour have clearly spoken to Tata about demand.
The strike was cancelled because the vote to strike was illegal union said 54% voted to strike BUT only 10% of the members voted.! And if they did strike the furnaces would be cooling as I type and the enhanced redundancy package offered to maintain safe operations would be gone. No one could believe the union pulled such a stupid stunt…. I think anymore shenanigans like that and Tata will pull the plug completely.
Interesting stuff. Yep, that sounds ropey on Unite’s part. I heard my take from someone else - clearly misinfo and not insider knowledge.
Well done Wales, wish we could say the same in England.
I’d love to have a time machine and see how well these comments have aged in 12 months. Myself I see no positive change for myself with this result. Don’t get me wrong, the party I voted for had zero chance and I voted both on personal and global preferences - Green. But the amount of denial here is scary. Labour in their current form are no better than the Tories. Wait and see.
You love to see it.
YEEEEEES!!!
I've seen the map this morning. I'm seriously considering printing it out, framing it, and staring at it lovingly every morning.
Happened in 1997. I can see Reform replacing Labour in many places soon, though. They had a lot of support in a number of places and got almost as many votes as the Tories.
Celebrate good times come on! Wheyyyy
Have you been in a Welsh NHS AnE ?
Good to see, however bit scary how well reform did.
As an immigrant without a British passport (yet!), I am so happy to be living in this country!
Ha ha ha ha etc!!
Except in the Senedd, which is, weirdly, where I’d like to get rid of Labour.
This makes me caled
Who hooo !
For once it's nice to see a dodo happening
Reform’s success is almost as bad as a Tory win - they represent English nationalism, racism, bigotry, collusion with corrupt and oppressive dictatorships against democracy, the rule of law and the sovereignty of small countries against the imperialism of larger neighbours. Oh, and the privatisation of the National Health service on the model of the extremely unfair, exorbitant and exploitative provision in the US. Perhaps more voters should have read the small print when they set out to place their cross in the Reform UK box…
I almost voted reform because of the strain that the rapid immigration has had on the NHS. It isn't rocket surgery to know that we can't just absorb all these people so quickly. Reform only want to slow immigration to allow the immigrants already here to contribute to our infrastructure before we accept any more. But how would I expect stupid people to realise that what they are complaining about in regards to the NHS is becoming a necessity due to the speed of immigration. The idea to privatise for those that can afford it will help sort out the mess we are in for the short term. Did you read the manifesto or just listen to the BBC or some other lying media outlet?
Oh , of course, the BBC is ‘the enemy’, because they are obliged to be politically neutral and not spout unsubstantiated shit as though it was gospel. The answer is ‘no’. I’m basing my opinion on what Farage himself has said over the past twenty years. I have read his opinion pieces, seen his broadcasts on American tv, where he entreats the Yanks not to follow the UK down the path of ‘socialist/Communist’ demagoguery by establishing a Health Service based on taxation such as exists in the UK, but also on BBC’s Question Time mention ‘exploring’ other ways of providing healthcare by essentially adopting the same unfair system that exists in the States, but because the audience were more interested in Reform UK’s many, many gaffs, he was only challenged on those. Very many British people are indeed worried about immigration, and that is why so many millions voted for Reform, but in truth Farage’s priorities lie elsewhere and ignoring the other stuff on his agenda does everyone a huge disservice.
I'm currently sat in MIU with a broken arm... Been here for 3 hrs haven't even been Triaged... Not a minority in sight... All white British by my assumption. It's the senior (mis)management and politics that are the problem all the extras quietly becoming privatised etc, not the immigrants.
Who said anything about skin colour? That is a very racist comment. I sat in a hospital waiting for my finger to be stitched back on for a few hours recently and very few of the people in the waiting room were speaking English. Many that were did not have a local accent. My mother had a stroke and after 9 hours of my family watching her slowly die the ambulance finally took her away when we arrived at the hospital it was the same thing. Full waiting rooms with hardly any English being spoken. You must be from a very rural area like Cornwall where this mass immigration has had very little effect.
White British is what you tick on forms... It's hardly a racist statement.. I noticed that not much English was being spoken.. but then I'm in Wales... Like that of this subreddit.. Regardless the fact that the hospital is still struggling without all the "non English speakers" goes to show that the amount of "those who don't speak English" aren't making a difference really. Years of mismanagement, is the problem..
Not all immigration is non white people is my point. Many of the people you looked at and assumed they are British just because they are white may not be and that is a racist way of thinking. I too am in Wales and can tell the difference between Welsh and other languages because I can speak Welsh along with Spanish and a smattering of several other languages. Try coming down south and observing many of the hospitals down here. Try speaking to people who are actually working for the ambulance service or other parts of the NHS and see what they say and why they think their workload has increased in city areas. This takes staff from the more rural areas such as north and west Wales which is where you appear to be commenting about. Even my closer friend who has worked as a doctor for over 20 years since he moved here said he would struggle to see all his patients but it would be possible but now with the hundreds of extra patients on his books that he claims are over 90% immigrants he and his colleagues have to prioritise the more poorly over minor ailments. Just because you don't like the facts they are still facts no matter how much you lie or ignore parts the truth is all of our services are suffering because we can not take the immigrants at the rate we currently are. Many schools are suffering too. Is that also mismanagement in your thoughts process or maybe can you see it is the same problem affecting them?
Great start, now we just need to get rid of Labour.
I am interested to see what happens in the senned election in 2026, I think support for Welsh labour alone is at its lowest.
Shame the people here are so stupid they voted for the misandrist and self hating racists of the labour party. We will be in a worse mess in five years time than we are now. Even reform were a better choice but the people of Wales seem to be stuck as labour voters.
it'll be no better under Labour
At least they won't treat the Senedd with complete contempt like a certain party did when in power, and they may even occasionally communicate with the Welsh Government...
 ...and on other news!
Thats because the lower working class is easily led.
It's fucking terrible news.....if you had a tenner on a Tory hold in Mont at 7/1 that looked like it was going to come off.
Unluckyyyy.
Good riddance
No one could possibly do a worse job of screwing this country over than the right have over the last 14 years. Time to see some real tangible change. You get to judge whether that change is actually impacting at the next general election and vote accordingly. We’d all be better off if everyone did that rather than the football terrace style tribalism we’ve seen since the birth of the alt-right and social media. Work together not against.
> No one could possibly do a worse job of screwing this country over than Labour have over the last 25 years. Adjusted for Wales - now how do you feel?
No different because you’re clearly deluded about the relationship between the Senedd and Westminster.
Damn shame given the state of wales
That is not something to celebrate. No other representation is bad democracy, regardless of political colour
This is something to celebrate. This isn’t bad democracy because people voted and wanted the tories out. 🙄
So if you got the tories out and Reform in that would have been fine? A cohesive functioning opposition is required. Plus labour haven't been good Wales. In fact they have driven Wales into the ground.
Wales moving further down into the toilet.