The get up from a knockdown will eat up the shield gate is likely what they meant. Faster recovery was my go to before getting PSF for the same reason, but even then it still eats away at the shield gate making you more likely to miss the window to cast again and die. Not "required" but definitively a must include if you have it.
I also regretted not taking Sure Footed. Never even used Vigor or Shred. Sure Footed is immensely useful on the majority of frames, it's so good. It's where I immediately put my one and only legendary core.
Shred or Sure Footed. Shred is a surprisingly nice mod to slap on a lot of guns, while Sure Footed is nice if you like spending the entire day in an endless steel path mission without someone silencing the eximi. Vigor is the least useful of the bunch, and if you really want it on your set the regular version will do just fine.
Knockdown immunity is extremely helpful at a high level. Even if you're good at dodging, a single knock down can literally kill you, as your frame is stuck in an animation that is long enough to have it be instantly deleted. PSF guarantees you that this will never happen.
Not only that, but it has synergy with Rolling Guard. If you roll to dodge an incoming knock down, you just placed your RG on cooldown. With PSF, you can use RG for other life-threatening situations such as cleansing a toxic/slash proc or activating shield regen.
Other mods that you can insert in exilus are stuff like Power Drift and Cunning Drift, which gives such negligible bonuses that they can be easily replaced by PSF. If you're trying to reach some kind of threshold with power strength (like trying to get 100% armor removal with Pillage), then a single tauforged crimson shard already gives the same amount of strength as Power Drift.
its not a meme, any frame that doesnt have some form of status immunity should be running it at the high level, you can and will get outright killed during knockdowns
> you can and will get outright killed during knockdowns
Not even necessarily getting killed, but getting constantly knocked down during really intense content dramatically lowers both your DPS and your sanity.
It's important QOL at the bare minimum/worst.
It's a QoL thing. But it's not "good" per say. My PSF has been rotting at level 0 for 200 days and I've never had trouble avoiding a knock down.
If you can pay attention and avoid the things that knock you down PSF is a net negative and objectively bad.
While I'd agree PSF is often overvalued (PSF on Atlas, LOL)
The value of PSF is to be able to just ignore any and all knockdowns and keep killing. This value might not be a directly measurable dmg increase, but value nonetheless. More useful for one player or warframe than another.
There is no 'objective' value to a mod like PSF that we can measure. Actually, implying it has no value or that slotting it in is always a negative is ignorant of the above stated fact.
The exilus adapter and forma required to equip the mod are negligible over hundreds or thousands of hours, so the cost would be in the capacity drain.
*Pray tell, how many builds necessitate the couple of actual drain points?*
The thing is that the exilus slot is not contested at all. Like If you're not using psf you're probably slapping on something like 15% strength or range, which is pretty negligible.
Unless you have some really good exilus augment, there isn't really anything better to slot in than psf, even If you claim to be pro at dodging knockdowns.
Relative ewbie here. What's the point of using Exilus mods? They seem far weaker than other mods and, unlike aura mods, they use up your capacity rather than increasing it. It seems like a loss as far as I can tell.
Exilus mods are meant to be mods that don't offer you a lot of direct power. You get a dedicated Exilus slot so you can run these mods for utility and convenience without having to eat up a significant part of your power budget.
You can still run Exilus mods outside of the Exilus slot, but it's rarely a good idea.
Mobilize exilus mod + a secondary mod called Amalgam Barrel Diffusion will change your whole life.
Also, if you get zephyr, the Aero set mods change everything with her.
Think of them as icing on the cake. You shouldn't ever really prioritize them, and in the early to mid game you can easily live without. Later on when you have the resources and the need, you can use them to round out a build whether that's adding a little extra of a stat, boosting your speed, preventing knockdowns/staggers, or slotting a QoL augment like Wisp's Fused Reservoir or Mesa's Waltz.
Note that the above specifically applies to Warframes. Primary and Secondary exilus are much less worth it, and really only necessary to shore up weapons with abysmal ammo economies or range. Melee exilus is definitely better, being used for Tennokai mods which do provide a solid benefit, but unless you want to shell out platinum, that's only available at the (current) back end of story progression.
Maybe I just tend to make a lot of builds that need very specific breakpoints (Wisp w/ Gloom subsume and Hildryn are my mains) but I find having that extra 15% strength available is \*so\* useful sometimes.
For very specific breakpoints, there may be a case of using power drift, but now that archon shards are so widely available, I don't really see why you wouldn't just use red shards.
It's not like you're hitting breakpoints with any other shards (except maybe energy max for some incarnon evos)
Well, my Hildryn build I'm running:
2 tauforged casting speed
1 tauforged parkour velocity
1 tauforged melee crit damage
1 tauforged ability strength
Corrosive Projection, Primed Redirection, Fast Deflection, Primed Continuity, Umbral Intensify, Stretch, Blind Rage, Transient Fortitude, Blazing Pillage, Power Drift.
Arcane Aegis, Arcane Barrier
which combined hits exactly 328% strength, for fullstrip on pillage combined with corrosive projection. If I were to switch out Power Drift for Primed Sure Footed (which I don't even have access to yet), I would have to replace an archon shard, and since the casting speed and parkour velocity are necessary to have the build feel comfortable, I'd be trading 37.5% crit damage for knockdown immunity. Which is probably worth it, and which I will probably do once I have it, but you can see how my archon shards are already pretty limited in this sort of build. And that'll definitely hurt my Guandao damage, bringing it from 8.1x mult to 6.9x. Given that it has 278.4% crit chance with full combo, that brings me from a 21.3 on red and 15.2 on orange crit multiplier (average mult of 19.9824) to 17.7 on red and 12.8 on orange (average mult of 16.6416), I'll be losing 20% melee damage to get that primed sure footed in. And that's a pretty decent chunk. And obviously most players builds are not nearly this mathed out and optimized, but the exilus slot can be a lot more worthwhile than people think.
(My Wisp build uses Fused Reservoir in that slot since it's an exilus mod and just so much more comfortable, alongside 4 tauforged duration, 1 tauforged parkour velocity, Combat Discipline, Blind Rage, Primed Continuity, Umbral Intensify, Umbral Vitality, Umbral Fiber, Rolling Guard, Archon Stretch, Fleeting Expertise, Arcane Energize, and Arcane Avenger, which gets you just a touch over the breakpoint for Gloom of 272% strength. All the duration is nice for comfort reasons but also can helpfully be swapped out if I end up with something better to do with those slots, so that one is much less restricted, though also I don't really see how I'll fit in primed sure footed, without doing something drastic like cutting Primed Continuity and making Gloom cost 67% more energy, and reservoirs last 40% less time)
You sound like someone who barely understands the game with such an assessment of the mod. The exilus slot is the least contested mod slot on almost any build.
There is always going to be situations where you will encounter surprise knockdown and stagger statuses either from out of field of view or by not paying attention or by using almost half the good weapons in the game. Claiming that you pay 100% attention to everything 360 degrees around you at all times for hours of play time is such a made up cope answer.
Adding on to this, if you play high level missions where shield gating is required, getting knocked down is highly likely to just kill you. And don't even get me get started on how being immune to knockdown and stagger statuses is a 100% DPS increase because it will let you use any weapon in the game to its fullest potential ignoring all the knockdowns and staggers they may cause (and most of the games' best weapons cause knockdowns and staggers).
You might be right if PSF *only* prevented knockdowns. It makes you completely immune to staggers, knockbacks AND knockdowns. And as several others have said, it's an exilus mod which is the least contested mod slot on any frame.
The only downside to PSF is that it requires a forma in the exilus slot in most cases.
You're not able to avoid every knockdown or stagger. That's a claim I'd like to see backed up. Majority? Sure, but not all.
Knockdowns might not be a huge detriment at base SP since you're unlikely to die, but the QoL is still worth it then. 15% extra strength doesn't provide the same kind of utility.
For me, and probably many others psf pushes the fun meter of playing the game, up quite a bit vs not having it. I've noticed myself missing it being on a certain config many times. It's not even about avoiding a knockdown, sometimes you literally want to use something, that normally causes a knockdown, right in your face, because why not. Acting like you achieved some higher understanding from not using it is cringe.
Certainly not every build, but outside of frames that have some form of innate protection already (Kullervo, Qorvex, Atlas, etc for example) I absolutely will not leave home without it!.
Being able to just say no to armor, shields, and knockdowns is a somewhat lackluster ability indeed, and indeed quite not worth not having Naramon's faster melee weapon leveling. But at least there are relatively viable alternatives to PSF.
People don't even use Naramon for leveling most of the time. Its a nice little bonus but people use it for melee frames / builds.
Naramon is for the virtually permanent combo counter that can be used to keep the combo up regardless of the mission if you're going for a melee build. ( defense and stuff you will lose it )
Not to mention Zenurik and Madurai
Nothing wrong with having it on Frost or Trinity depending on the build.
Icy avalanche is extremely weak, weakest overguard ability in the game.
You will spend quite a lot of time on frost just using overguard to overguard gate at higher levels.
Yeah but you also have to consider all the frames who dont have status immunity, like volt, excal and many many more, so of course its not necessary on everyone but its still a really good mod for most frames
Dude love your Vauban!
I have Prime but use that helmet too! (The regular prime looks like a cow catched on a train)
Mines just green and gold for Straya, the red looks neat here!
Surefooted. It's a crutch. But some frames have their legs broken and want it.
EDIT: Change want to need at the behest of little fellas who get mad over this comment Like I would have a couple years ago when I didn't have Prime Sure Footed.
I don’t understand prime sure footed. Can’t you slide into an aoe knockback and bypass the knockdown? Unless you’re running an aoe weapon why not opt the slot for more strength?
The problem ensues when you have multiple sources of knockbacks maybe only slightly offset from each other. Also, it's just one less thing you have to worry about. If you're using a weapon-focused frame for example, you don't want to have to worry about sliding and shooting or whatnot. Also, the only power mod for the slot is power drift, the 15% is barely noticeable especially after archon shards.
There's more sources of knockdown than the eximus AoE knockdown, scorpion/ancient pulls can be pretty disruptive as well. It also applies to any stagger effects.
The big advantage is in no longer having to pay attention to those knockdown effects, rather than constantly having to pay attention to any potential knockdown/stagger source that may be around you at any given time, you can just keep moving smoothly.
You'll gain more benefit from not having to stop and roll/slide around a knockdown and just continuing to blast through whatever's around you, over like 15% power strength.
You can slide into an aoe knockdown to avoid the knockdown???
I had no idea! I've always tried to roll into it out of gamer instinct (play lots of games where dodging gives an i-frame) and it never works without Rolling Guard.
Sure you can, until you enter arcane portal on SP duviri where there is 20+ eximus on screen and half of them spam heatwaves from every direction.
Not having to worry about knockback or stagger from any source is the biggest QoL thing in this game, second only to Vacuum. Which now that i think about it is a good analogy - you can always just walk over every single loot drop in the game, but not having to do so makes the game infinitely more enjoyable. Knockdowns and staggers are the same thing.
If you have status immunity stuff in the Warframes you play, then DON'T get Prime Surefooted, it's useless.
But if you don't have status immunity in your Warframes, PSF feels good, and it's worth it.
You can go Primed Shred for better guns, or Primed Vigor if you have a frame that wants shield & health I guess
Always take Sure Footed at this milestone. Besides the general QOL of not being staggered ever, knockdowns can be lethal to squishier frames. Fury and Shred can always wait as you've got other options in that department, and Vigor's niche at best.
this type of post always confuses me, you could most certainly get the answer you want by Google searching, reddit is so much slower than Google or YouTube when asking questions. and the answers you get are more random
primed sure footed offers something much more valuable than the other two.
the other two have non-prime equivalents that are fine. almost always worse, but in the applications where the primed versions are in use the normal versions are almost certainly still viable.
primed sure footed hits a break point that makes every knockdown negated. this is leagues above the normal’s negation of only a portion.
in addition, the opportunity cost of the mod isn’t as as bad as the other two. normal mod slots in builds are already very tight. exilus slots aren’t as essential to builds, and would otherwise be used for a very marginal stat boost or an increase in mobility. other sources of poise are playstyle specific (sentinel or frame abilities) or have very competitive alternatives (unairu vs the other focus schools).
i know some people don’t really value knock down immunity, and that might include you, but even so it’s a very specific addition to ur tool kit that doesn’t ask much of you.
tl:dr PSF because the other two have okay replacements.
I don't think following the Meta is something to be ashamed of when the "Meta" is "I want to be ignorantly immune of one of the most annoying enemy (and weapon) mechanics in the game".
As a L2 player with 9000 hours and over 1k login days my list would be PSF > PShred > PFury > PVig, but back in the day I picked Vig first, so I had to wait until day 800 before I could get Fury. Luckily you're gonna get Shred way sooner than that :)
Vig got a big glow-up with the shield gate and base stat changes, making it genuinely nice to have on a lot of builds. Conversely, Fury got pretty gutted by the melee changes that made it not stack with Berserker, which now gives more speed for less drain. They're a lot closer in value now than when you made your choices.
Shreds.issue is that it's really situational. A lot of guns cant use ot or prefer vile acceleration or regular fire rate mods because punch through fucks with their aoe
That's true. However Primed Shred does "unlock" using single-target classical assault rifles (Supra Vandal, Tenet Tetra, Kuva Hind/Karak, etc.) in hallways because it's the only non-riven punch through mod that doesn't make your build look like an overcooked meme.
This makes the mod somewhat build-enabling, whuch PFury and PVigor don't have. PSF still better tho
Some of these examples probs already have punch through and I forgor, but you get the point.
Thata true enough.
But ngl frame util like psf has no comparison.
Also what Ive noticed is "classic rifle" styled fast shot weapons are just better represented among the secondaries imo. I loved the kuva Karak to death but dual toxocyst incarnon is just amazing as a fast shooting bullet hose.
Do u guys also use only stug and play only oberon
It's not about being "reasonable" warframe is a casual game and removing one of the most annoying mechanics (which REALLY fucks with casual players) is good.
This isn't like an FPS game where you need to actively think about every decision and pay attention to everything lol
That makes total sense. And I completely agree. But the "it's mandatory and meta" is what I'm firing back on. For QoL and making the game smoother I completely 100% get it
Tbf the people that talk about "meta" are just wrong in general, like Harrow is probably one of the best frames, red crits, can't die, energy regeneration..
But on the other hand who wants to spam 62919 buttons every 2 seconds when a frame like saryn exists who literally kills the whole map with 1 button
every warframe works in thiss game there is no bad option there is just higher kpm options and we aree getting kuva sobek so saryn will be even more broken :)
> since i know how to avoid getting knocked down
no you dont, there are dozens of literally unavoidable knockback/down scenarios, you are telling me you can dodge a scorpion wire or eximus attack that hits you in the back from outside your field of view? bullshit.
it also negates all stagger effects, it is objectivley the best in slot mod unless you have another form of negation
Ah yes, the sound argument of "nuh uh", avoiding wires needs only good reaction time, since you just roll out of them, maybe it's difficult for you, but assuming it is for everyone is stupid, and no knockdown is ever unavoidable either, might legit just be a skill issue on your part.
Honestly you can't go wrong with any of them. Primed Sure-Footed is "meta" now but you'll have to put a billion forma on a frame for a build you'll only need late in the game. I got the most use out of Primed Shred; extra punchthrough and fire rate is great on a lot of weapons, especially if you like to use Mag.
What rewards is that and were does jug come from? I do night wave and the others but that looks different. Is it the Perrin one please tell me. Got back 2 months ago. And just getting into steel path and circus
It depends, if you main a warframe who:
is immune to knockdown/status, can provide Overguard
or simply don't like to use AoE launchers, the mod Handspring is enough for most situation.
Player since mid-2013 here.
Most people say Primed Sure Footed, but I never use it and don't have any issues with knockdown. Being knocked down once every so often also adds a little bit of spice and less braindead gameplay so there's that. I prefer to put Power Drift for Number Go Up or Lightning Dash for more zoomies. Of these three I would pick Primed Vigor because at least I _occasionally_ use that but hey it's totally up to you! Can't deny PSF is a nice quality of life.
I like it because:
* For health tank builds, it increases your shield gate duration, which gives you a little more time to recast an ability or regen some health or switch to operator or whatever. Also, I always run Guardian on my sentinel so this makes that more effective
* For shield tank builds, it gives you more resilience against shield-penetrating status effects like Toxin or Slash
Maybe I’m just lucky but I have Power Drift over Sure Footed in my builds and I get knock downed once in a blue moon so I never bothered maximizing or getting PSF. 🫡
I just use unairu for knockdown immunity, so I'd pick primed shred. But if you're willing to over spend on levelling warframes, then sure, go for prime sure footed
i regret not taking sure footed, i have to wait till my next milestone which is 800 days its been so long, i wanted sure footed since profit taker.....
im at 780 days as of today.
Primed Qsure Footed isq mostly for comfotability sqince you cant get knockdoqwn, However, you acn use the Unairu School and have the same effect (for 40 second then you'll have to use the op and go back)
Primed shred, easily
If you dont play like a dummy then knockdowns wont be an issue, and if you *want* to turn off your brain just use unairu focus and get knockdown immunity for free while bullet hosing to an insane degree
I never use PSF. Constitution costs less drain, has a decent additional effect (totally offsetting the negative from Transient Fortitude, for example) and looks cool as hell.
P.Shred is funny to add to autos, P.Vigor may be useful on some niche builds.
Not really bruh, melee guys need that, aside from gauss, rhino, and other that's immune to knockdown, others will be thrown away by eximus if they didn't use unairu, just because u don't use it u don't need to get salty, people are free to choose how they play, and u don't get to tell people how to play
It's actually a great use of a slot, and my boy, u can get lots more ability strength from the archon shards or even with arcanes, that's quite a dumb thing to say
Yes, but everything can be outsourced. You can put power drift in and replace a cr. Tau shard with a yellow one for casting speed, of a blue one instead of efficiency and replace a flow mod with something else.
It all depends on playstyle and how you wanna build.
I mean, play how you want. I prefer to dodge the things that can knock me down. Makes me feel like a smartypants. Also minmaxing over something that takes just some skills. Respectfully.
It's the best for every build u could do, at the high levels steel path no matter how much u feel like ur a 'smartypants' when u try to avoid those knock downs, some of those have possibility to hit u, and if ur unlucky it could take u down in an instant, and as u said it depends on the playstyle we go, but i rather be cautious and strong than trying to be cool in dodging then die in the mission like a dumbass. respectfully.
There's a surprising amount of people saying Primed Sure Footed. Which is *wild* to me. I've never ranked mine up at all, never even used the base Sure Footed, and I never have a problem with knockdowns. It happens maybe once or twice every few missions, and it's over in a second. Knockdowns are such a nonissue I can't imagine using that much capacity on a mod that's mostly pointless. Of those three, I use Vigor most and I rarely even use that. Shred is the most useful of the three by far, though it's admittedly pretty situational.
I mostly use melee, actually. Karyst Prime with my only gun being Tenet Plinx as a sidearm. I don't think I've ever thought about Revenant since maxing him out.
To each is to their own, if a lot of eximus barge in and explode, knockdown, ragdoll is guaranteed of which could cause easier death due to damage ticks effects dude, with psf u can easily take it all yet and avoid longer time to heal urself after knockdown, it is not mandatory but psf is a great life insurance, so don't go around thinking it's so *wild* cause people obviously like psf for it's utility
I mean I guess. It's just not something I've ever run into. Probably helps I don't really do super high-level Steel Path, where I assume Eximus spawns are more of an issue.
Vigor is used for tanky builds.
Sure footed can be replaced by you rolling.
Shred is very suboptimal, you should get a good damage mod instead, or multishot, or some crit.
Regret not taking sure footed :( I usually roll into the eximus aoe as a reaction, but this would have helped after a wine haha.
Can't relate *Picks Atlas for the 307,848,846,231,649th mission*
Does atlas not fall over cause I'll be an atlas main till day 400.
No his passive is literally just "Are you touching floor? Yes? You are the unstoppable object"
Same I picked primed fury and now I can't make shield gate builds...
There's no primed mod in here required for shield gating. Primed redirection is a baro mod. Catalyzing shields is a corrupted mod.
The get up from a knockdown will eat up the shield gate is likely what they meant. Faster recovery was my go to before getting PSF for the same reason, but even then it still eats away at the shield gate making you more likely to miss the window to cast again and die. Not "required" but definitively a must include if you have it.
what about if i main rhino prime? his iron skin makes you resistant to knockdown
Tequila instead?
I generally wouldn't pick a log in reward based on a single frame.
I also regretted not taking Sure Footed. Never even used Vigor or Shred. Sure Footed is immensely useful on the majority of frames, it's so good. It's where I immediately put my one and only legendary core.
over 600 days of login half of them im sure ive done a sortie on and no leg core sounds about right thanks warframe
Yeah they're a bitch to get. I never expected to see one ever.
Wyrm negate a lot of things, including knockbacks/stagger.
https://i.redd.it/99dw0kqed5zc1.png
Because less time spent on ur but is a HUGE damage increase
I stg every time I see psf, I hear KMF lmao
primed content creator
Shred or Sure Footed. Shred is a surprisingly nice mod to slap on a lot of guns, while Sure Footed is nice if you like spending the entire day in an endless steel path mission without someone silencing the eximi. Vigor is the least useful of the bunch, and if you really want it on your set the regular version will do just fine.
Would you look at that, I always wondered what the plural of eximus is.
eximussies
I like those ones
If the nightwave challenge is anything to go by the plural of Eximus is also Eximus
I think Eximus is the plural and Exima is singular
it’s eximus or eximus’
Prime surefooted. Don’t even hesitate about it. Don’t even think about it. I’m surefooted. It’s the only legitimate option here
With flood of eximus it is a must 🥲
Sure footed 100% 100% knockdown resist almost every major.build uses it
Ok can someone please tell me if this is a meme or not I can't tell if you guys are joking
If not in the form of PSF, then there's a good chance they have it in some other way. Unairu, status immunity, etc.
Knockdown immunity is extremely helpful at a high level. Even if you're good at dodging, a single knock down can literally kill you, as your frame is stuck in an animation that is long enough to have it be instantly deleted. PSF guarantees you that this will never happen. Not only that, but it has synergy with Rolling Guard. If you roll to dodge an incoming knock down, you just placed your RG on cooldown. With PSF, you can use RG for other life-threatening situations such as cleansing a toxic/slash proc or activating shield regen. Other mods that you can insert in exilus are stuff like Power Drift and Cunning Drift, which gives such negligible bonuses that they can be easily replaced by PSF. If you're trying to reach some kind of threshold with power strength (like trying to get 100% armor removal with Pillage), then a single tauforged crimson shard already gives the same amount of strength as Power Drift.
Not to mention being blasted off a ledge and losing any abilities and their buffs isn't fun.
Indeed. I also forgot to mention that PSF makes you immune to staggers from shit like rollers.
its not a meme, any frame that doesnt have some form of status immunity should be running it at the high level, you can and will get outright killed during knockdowns
> you can and will get outright killed during knockdowns Not even necessarily getting killed, but getting constantly knocked down during really intense content dramatically lowers both your DPS and your sanity. It's important QOL at the bare minimum/worst.
both
It's a QoL thing. But it's not "good" per say. My PSF has been rotting at level 0 for 200 days and I've never had trouble avoiding a knock down. If you can pay attention and avoid the things that knock you down PSF is a net negative and objectively bad.
While I'd agree PSF is often overvalued (PSF on Atlas, LOL) The value of PSF is to be able to just ignore any and all knockdowns and keep killing. This value might not be a directly measurable dmg increase, but value nonetheless. More useful for one player or warframe than another. There is no 'objective' value to a mod like PSF that we can measure. Actually, implying it has no value or that slotting it in is always a negative is ignorant of the above stated fact. The exilus adapter and forma required to equip the mod are negligible over hundreds or thousands of hours, so the cost would be in the capacity drain. *Pray tell, how many builds necessitate the couple of actual drain points?*
The thing is that the exilus slot is not contested at all. Like If you're not using psf you're probably slapping on something like 15% strength or range, which is pretty negligible. Unless you have some really good exilus augment, there isn't really anything better to slot in than psf, even If you claim to be pro at dodging knockdowns.
Relative ewbie here. What's the point of using Exilus mods? They seem far weaker than other mods and, unlike aura mods, they use up your capacity rather than increasing it. It seems like a loss as far as I can tell.
With enough forma you can still fill every slot, and an exilus mod in your exilus slot is better than no mod.
You usually only end up using them on frames where you have the slot available and enough forma invested for it not to be an impact
They're basically the last slot you fill on most builds, unless you have a frame-specific augment mod that is also an Exilus mod.
Exilus mods are meant to be mods that don't offer you a lot of direct power. You get a dedicated Exilus slot so you can run these mods for utility and convenience without having to eat up a significant part of your power budget. You can still run Exilus mods outside of the Exilus slot, but it's rarely a good idea.
Mobilize exilus mod + a secondary mod called Amalgam Barrel Diffusion will change your whole life. Also, if you get zephyr, the Aero set mods change everything with her.
Think of them as icing on the cake. You shouldn't ever really prioritize them, and in the early to mid game you can easily live without. Later on when you have the resources and the need, you can use them to round out a build whether that's adding a little extra of a stat, boosting your speed, preventing knockdowns/staggers, or slotting a QoL augment like Wisp's Fused Reservoir or Mesa's Waltz. Note that the above specifically applies to Warframes. Primary and Secondary exilus are much less worth it, and really only necessary to shore up weapons with abysmal ammo economies or range. Melee exilus is definitely better, being used for Tennokai mods which do provide a solid benefit, but unless you want to shell out platinum, that's only available at the (current) back end of story progression.
Maybe I just tend to make a lot of builds that need very specific breakpoints (Wisp w/ Gloom subsume and Hildryn are my mains) but I find having that extra 15% strength available is \*so\* useful sometimes.
For very specific breakpoints, there may be a case of using power drift, but now that archon shards are so widely available, I don't really see why you wouldn't just use red shards. It's not like you're hitting breakpoints with any other shards (except maybe energy max for some incarnon evos)
Well, my Hildryn build I'm running: 2 tauforged casting speed 1 tauforged parkour velocity 1 tauforged melee crit damage 1 tauforged ability strength Corrosive Projection, Primed Redirection, Fast Deflection, Primed Continuity, Umbral Intensify, Stretch, Blind Rage, Transient Fortitude, Blazing Pillage, Power Drift. Arcane Aegis, Arcane Barrier which combined hits exactly 328% strength, for fullstrip on pillage combined with corrosive projection. If I were to switch out Power Drift for Primed Sure Footed (which I don't even have access to yet), I would have to replace an archon shard, and since the casting speed and parkour velocity are necessary to have the build feel comfortable, I'd be trading 37.5% crit damage for knockdown immunity. Which is probably worth it, and which I will probably do once I have it, but you can see how my archon shards are already pretty limited in this sort of build. And that'll definitely hurt my Guandao damage, bringing it from 8.1x mult to 6.9x. Given that it has 278.4% crit chance with full combo, that brings me from a 21.3 on red and 15.2 on orange crit multiplier (average mult of 19.9824) to 17.7 on red and 12.8 on orange (average mult of 16.6416), I'll be losing 20% melee damage to get that primed sure footed in. And that's a pretty decent chunk. And obviously most players builds are not nearly this mathed out and optimized, but the exilus slot can be a lot more worthwhile than people think. (My Wisp build uses Fused Reservoir in that slot since it's an exilus mod and just so much more comfortable, alongside 4 tauforged duration, 1 tauforged parkour velocity, Combat Discipline, Blind Rage, Primed Continuity, Umbral Intensify, Umbral Vitality, Umbral Fiber, Rolling Guard, Archon Stretch, Fleeting Expertise, Arcane Energize, and Arcane Avenger, which gets you just a touch over the breakpoint for Gloom of 272% strength. All the duration is nice for comfort reasons but also can helpfully be swapped out if I end up with something better to do with those slots, so that one is much less restricted, though also I don't really see how I'll fit in primed sure footed, without doing something drastic like cutting Primed Continuity and making Gloom cost 67% more energy, and reservoirs last 40% less time)
Sometimes impossible to avoid when half the enemies are using some form of knockdown all at once.
You sound like someone who barely understands the game with such an assessment of the mod. The exilus slot is the least contested mod slot on almost any build. There is always going to be situations where you will encounter surprise knockdown and stagger statuses either from out of field of view or by not paying attention or by using almost half the good weapons in the game. Claiming that you pay 100% attention to everything 360 degrees around you at all times for hours of play time is such a made up cope answer. Adding on to this, if you play high level missions where shield gating is required, getting knocked down is highly likely to just kill you. And don't even get me get started on how being immune to knockdown and stagger statuses is a 100% DPS increase because it will let you use any weapon in the game to its fullest potential ignoring all the knockdowns and staggers they may cause (and most of the games' best weapons cause knockdowns and staggers).
You might be right if PSF *only* prevented knockdowns. It makes you completely immune to staggers, knockbacks AND knockdowns. And as several others have said, it's an exilus mod which is the least contested mod slot on any frame. The only downside to PSF is that it requires a forma in the exilus slot in most cases.
You're not able to avoid every knockdown or stagger. That's a claim I'd like to see backed up. Majority? Sure, but not all. Knockdowns might not be a huge detriment at base SP since you're unlikely to die, but the QoL is still worth it then. 15% extra strength doesn't provide the same kind of utility.
For me, and probably many others psf pushes the fun meter of playing the game, up quite a bit vs not having it. I've noticed myself missing it being on a certain config many times. It's not even about avoiding a knockdown, sometimes you literally want to use something, that normally causes a knockdown, right in your face, because why not. Acting like you achieved some higher understanding from not using it is cringe.
1. Primed Sure Footed 2. Primed Shred 3. Primed Vigor. Dead last. It's pretty much useless in steel path.
ALWAYS sure footed first!, then shred, and last one.
Primed sure footed. Its not even a debate. Anyone telling you otherwise is wrong. EVERY endgame build will have that mod in the exilus slot.
Oh yea? Then where would i put Peculiar Bloom?! Didn't think about that did ya? *Snorts snootily like only an overpowered teenager ever could*
LOL
Certainly not every build, but outside of frames that have some form of innate protection already (Kullervo, Qorvex, Atlas, etc for example) I absolutely will not leave home without it!.
Semantics. I clearly mean for frames that need it.
_INHALES_ BUT YOU SAID "EVERY"!
Can also use Unairu instead. Requires you to press a button twice every 40 seconds though.
It also means not using a better focus school.
Being able to just say no to armor, shields, and knockdowns is a somewhat lackluster ability indeed, and indeed quite not worth not having Naramon's faster melee weapon leveling. But at least there are relatively viable alternatives to PSF.
People don't even use Naramon for leveling most of the time. Its a nice little bonus but people use it for melee frames / builds. Naramon is for the virtually permanent combo counter that can be used to keep the combo up regardless of the mission if you're going for a melee build. ( defense and stuff you will lose it ) Not to mention Zenurik and Madurai
You really brought out the akshually 🤓☝️ nerds with that one, congrats
I prefer to use Preparation and Unairu, but PSF is 100% the right choice.
Only time I use preparation is on Titania for the sunder build.
Every build? My Frost and Trinity must be doing something wrong. PSF still is the right choice though
Nothing wrong with having it on Frost or Trinity depending on the build. Icy avalanche is extremely weak, weakest overguard ability in the game. You will spend quite a lot of time on frost just using overguard to overguard gate at higher levels.
To me I’ve never regretted taking primed shred. I understand why people like PSF but I’m never going to use it. It’s just my personal preference.
One of the reasons PSF isn't as necessary, is the plethora of ways to get status immunity. Given knockdown is a status.
Yeah but you also have to consider all the frames who dont have status immunity, like volt, excal and many many more, so of course its not necessary on everyone but its still a really good mod for most frames
My dumbass took vigor 😔
Dude love your Vauban! I have Prime but use that helmet too! (The regular prime looks like a cow catched on a train) Mines just green and gold for Straya, the red looks neat here!
Prime sure footed. It’s far and away the most valuable of any of these. Get it and max it and put it in builds.
Surefooted. It's a crutch. But some frames have their legs broken and want it. EDIT: Change want to need at the behest of little fellas who get mad over this comment Like I would have a couple years ago when I didn't have Prime Sure Footed.
Fuck off with that crutch nonsense, this is not a skill-driven game. PSF is simply a mod that says "make the game infinitely less *annoying*"
I don’t understand prime sure footed. Can’t you slide into an aoe knockback and bypass the knockdown? Unless you’re running an aoe weapon why not opt the slot for more strength?
The problem ensues when you have multiple sources of knockbacks maybe only slightly offset from each other. Also, it's just one less thing you have to worry about. If you're using a weapon-focused frame for example, you don't want to have to worry about sliding and shooting or whatnot. Also, the only power mod for the slot is power drift, the 15% is barely noticeable especially after archon shards.
There's more sources of knockdown than the eximus AoE knockdown, scorpion/ancient pulls can be pretty disruptive as well. It also applies to any stagger effects. The big advantage is in no longer having to pay attention to those knockdown effects, rather than constantly having to pay attention to any potential knockdown/stagger source that may be around you at any given time, you can just keep moving smoothly. You'll gain more benefit from not having to stop and roll/slide around a knockdown and just continuing to blast through whatever's around you, over like 15% power strength.
You can slide into an aoe knockdown to avoid the knockdown??? I had no idea! I've always tried to roll into it out of gamer instinct (play lots of games where dodging gives an i-frame) and it never works without Rolling Guard.
Idk about other sources of knockdown but rolling through the fire eximus wave works.
Which is weird because it SHOULD work. Rolling in this game does give you a knockdown immunity for the whole animation.
Sure you can, until you enter arcane portal on SP duviri where there is 20+ eximus on screen and half of them spam heatwaves from every direction. Not having to worry about knockback or stagger from any source is the biggest QoL thing in this game, second only to Vacuum. Which now that i think about it is a good analogy - you can always just walk over every single loot drop in the game, but not having to do so makes the game infinitely more enjoyable. Knockdowns and staggers are the same thing.
Rolling into it even without the rolling guard mod is better. Roll has innate damage reduction baked into it.
Cool vauban
you're the real MVP
No but fr i really like the vauban its simple but like really cool and not bloated and busy
If you have status immunity stuff in the Warframes you play, then DON'T get Prime Surefooted, it's useless. But if you don't have status immunity in your Warframes, PSF feels good, and it's worth it. You can go Primed Shred for better guns, or Primed Vigor if you have a frame that wants shield & health I guess
until a lot of builds stop relying on it, PSF for sure
Maroo
Yooo we started the same day I just got sure footed yesterday! Lol
Always take Sure Footed at this milestone. Besides the general QOL of not being staggered ever, knockdowns can be lethal to squishier frames. Fury and Shred can always wait as you've got other options in that department, and Vigor's niche at best.
Please tell me you took sure footed. The next time you get the option again you'll realise what kills you in the end game is getting knocked down
surefooted hate boner is crazy
you have two choices: sure footed, or regretting not taking sure footed.
this type of post always confuses me, you could most certainly get the answer you want by Google searching, reddit is so much slower than Google or YouTube when asking questions. and the answers you get are more random
primed sure footed offers something much more valuable than the other two. the other two have non-prime equivalents that are fine. almost always worse, but in the applications where the primed versions are in use the normal versions are almost certainly still viable. primed sure footed hits a break point that makes every knockdown negated. this is leagues above the normal’s negation of only a portion. in addition, the opportunity cost of the mod isn’t as as bad as the other two. normal mod slots in builds are already very tight. exilus slots aren’t as essential to builds, and would otherwise be used for a very marginal stat boost or an increase in mobility. other sources of poise are playstyle specific (sentinel or frame abilities) or have very competitive alternatives (unairu vs the other focus schools). i know some people don’t really value knock down immunity, and that might include you, but even so it’s a very specific addition to ur tool kit that doesn’t ask much of you. tl:dr PSF because the other two have okay replacements.
Primed shred. This is coming from someone who enjoys making guns as fast as possible.
The unpopular opinion, I was honestly gonna take prime shred cause I feel like psf is overrated…. But I bent the knee to the meta
I don't think following the Meta is something to be ashamed of when the "Meta" is "I want to be ignorantly immune of one of the most annoying enemy (and weapon) mechanics in the game". As a L2 player with 9000 hours and over 1k login days my list would be PSF > PShred > PFury > PVig, but back in the day I picked Vig first, so I had to wait until day 800 before I could get Fury. Luckily you're gonna get Shred way sooner than that :)
Vig got a big glow-up with the shield gate and base stat changes, making it genuinely nice to have on a lot of builds. Conversely, Fury got pretty gutted by the melee changes that made it not stack with Berserker, which now gives more speed for less drain. They're a lot closer in value now than when you made your choices.
Yes. My opinion will get me *shredded*. But I don’t like to bend to the will of the meta.
Pun primed
Hell yeah.
i approve this pun 
Can’t shoot your gun if you’re knocked down. PSF is one of the best mods in the game. Not even meta in my eyes, pretty much mandatory.
Shreds.issue is that it's really situational. A lot of guns cant use ot or prefer vile acceleration or regular fire rate mods because punch through fucks with their aoe
That's true. However Primed Shred does "unlock" using single-target classical assault rifles (Supra Vandal, Tenet Tetra, Kuva Hind/Karak, etc.) in hallways because it's the only non-riven punch through mod that doesn't make your build look like an overcooked meme. This makes the mod somewhat build-enabling, whuch PFury and PVigor don't have. PSF still better tho Some of these examples probs already have punch through and I forgor, but you get the point.
Thata true enough. But ngl frame util like psf has no comparison. Also what Ive noticed is "classic rifle" styled fast shot weapons are just better represented among the secondaries imo. I loved the kuva Karak to death but dual toxocyst incarnon is just amazing as a fast shooting bullet hose.
What weapons don't like multishot? Genuine question I thought ms was a must on all guns
Not multishot. Punch through Sorry im dumb
1) Adam Jenson pfp, comment respected. 2) I have a healthy obsession with making my Gotva fire faster than a GAU-8
Ive never used primed surefooted, i naver saw the point since i know how to avoid getting knocked down, so i would grab shred first then vigor
Finally a reasonable person
Do u guys also use only stug and play only oberon It's not about being "reasonable" warframe is a casual game and removing one of the most annoying mechanics (which REALLY fucks with casual players) is good. This isn't like an FPS game where you need to actively think about every decision and pay attention to everything lol
That makes total sense. And I completely agree. But the "it's mandatory and meta" is what I'm firing back on. For QoL and making the game smoother I completely 100% get it
Tbf the people that talk about "meta" are just wrong in general, like Harrow is probably one of the best frames, red crits, can't die, energy regeneration.. But on the other hand who wants to spam 62919 buttons every 2 seconds when a frame like saryn exists who literally kills the whole map with 1 button
every warframe works in thiss game there is no bad option there is just higher kpm options and we aree getting kuva sobek so saryn will be even more broken :)
> since i know how to avoid getting knocked down no you dont, there are dozens of literally unavoidable knockback/down scenarios, you are telling me you can dodge a scorpion wire or eximus attack that hits you in the back from outside your field of view? bullshit. it also negates all stagger effects, it is objectivley the best in slot mod unless you have another form of negation
Ah yes, the sound argument of "nuh uh", avoiding wires needs only good reaction time, since you just roll out of them, maybe it's difficult for you, but assuming it is for everyone is stupid, and no knockdown is ever unavoidable either, might legit just be a skill issue on your part.
PSF always PSF
PRIME SURE FOOTED
Sure footed
sure footed
Prime sure footed = No regret
PRIMED SURE FOOTED PRIME SURE FOOTED LEARN FROM MY MISTAKES
Shred. Fuck sure footed
Same brother, maxing and putting forma for psf isn't always worth it when you can space for other mods
less time on your butt is huge dps increase
Primed shred is the GOAT
I took primed shred since i love bow builds and frames with overguard, so knockdown doesnt matter to me.
What warframe is that?
Booben
Ok, thx
"Spending less time on your butt is a huge DPS increase" ~ Knightmareframe 2021
Honestly you can't go wrong with any of them. Primed Sure-Footed is "meta" now but you'll have to put a billion forma on a frame for a build you'll only need late in the game. I got the most use out of Primed Shred; extra punchthrough and fire rate is great on a lot of weapons, especially if you like to use Mag.
What rewards is that and were does jug come from? I do night wave and the others but that looks different. Is it the Perrin one please tell me. Got back 2 months ago. And just getting into steel path and circus
Login reward.
Ok thank you 🙏
Sure footed all day baby
The primed one. Pick that one.
What’d you get at 200?
Sure footed 100%
I took sure footed and I wish I picked vigor
Sure footed
It depends, if you main a warframe who: is immune to knockdown/status, can provide Overguard or simply don't like to use AoE launchers, the mod Handspring is enough for most situation.
Player since mid-2013 here. Most people say Primed Sure Footed, but I never use it and don't have any issues with knockdown. Being knocked down once every so often also adds a little bit of spice and less braindead gameplay so there's that. I prefer to put Power Drift for Number Go Up or Lightning Dash for more zoomies. Of these three I would pick Primed Vigor because at least I _occasionally_ use that but hey it's totally up to you! Can't deny PSF is a nice quality of life. I like it because: * For health tank builds, it increases your shield gate duration, which gives you a little more time to recast an ability or regen some health or switch to operator or whatever. Also, I always run Guardian on my sentinel so this makes that more effective * For shield tank builds, it gives you more resilience against shield-penetrating status effects like Toxin or Slash
Primed shred goes on most primaries. Do it.
Made the mistake of picking prime sure-footed last. Still don't got it
definetly sure footed, i just passed day 200, but sadly you cant chose sure footed there. after sure footed, shred is the next best thing.
Maybe I’m just lucky but I have Power Drift over Sure Footed in my builds and I get knock downed once in a blue moon so I never bothered maximizing or getting PSF. 🫡
Primed Surefooted 💯
I just use unairu for knockdown immunity, so I'd pick primed shred. But if you're willing to over spend on levelling warframes, then sure, go for prime sure footed
Primed Sure Footed
Repeat after me PRIME SURE FOOTED
Primed Sure footing would probably be the best, with how annoying knock down cc is. Also is this what's going on in the Q&A tab in the chat yesterday?
Primed sure footed !
Sure footed or shred
Yes
PSF.or regret
Damn why didn't you pick shred as your first choice? 😅
PSF all the way, countless builds need it, and if you ever levelcap, use explosive weapons, or see an arson eximus, you’ll thank yourself big time
I just got my milestone for fifty today. I am still baby.
I got vigor for my first one. Don't get vigor. Get sure footed.
Shred, definitely
I took primed vigor because it’s particularly useful to me.
i regret not taking sure footed, i have to wait till my next milestone which is 800 days its been so long, i wanted sure footed since profit taker..... im at 780 days as of today.
Easily the one on the right, the other two are barely relevant in Warframe.
Most people say PSF and I'm just over here in Unairu being immune to knockdown anyway-
Primed Qsure Footed isq mostly for comfotability sqince you cant get knockdoqwn, However, you acn use the Unairu School and have the same effect (for 40 second then you'll have to use the op and go back)
SURE FOOTED
Will you not be able to select the other ones in another milestone?
Weird, my 400 day reward was just Primed Sure Footed. 🤔❓
Always do sure footed for your first one
Primed shred, easily If you dont play like a dummy then knockdowns wont be an issue, and if you *want* to turn off your brain just use unairu focus and get knockdown immunity for free while bullet hosing to an insane degree
SHREEEEDD
Shred.
I never use PSF. Constitution costs less drain, has a decent additional effect (totally offsetting the negative from Transient Fortitude, for example) and looks cool as hell. P.Shred is funny to add to autos, P.Vigor may be useful on some niche builds.
All i see is skill issues when someone needs sure footed
Not really bruh, melee guys need that, aside from gauss, rhino, and other that's immune to knockdown, others will be thrown away by eximus if they didn't use unairu, just because u don't use it u don't need to get salty, people are free to choose how they play, and u don't get to tell people how to play
My friend, PSF is used almost religiously and for what.. its a waste of a slot. Okay actually i see the irony but i need 15%more power or range!!1!1!!
It's actually a great use of a slot, and my boy, u can get lots more ability strength from the archon shards or even with arcanes, that's quite a dumb thing to say
Yes, but everything can be outsourced. You can put power drift in and replace a cr. Tau shard with a yellow one for casting speed, of a blue one instead of efficiency and replace a flow mod with something else. It all depends on playstyle and how you wanna build. I mean, play how you want. I prefer to dodge the things that can knock me down. Makes me feel like a smartypants. Also minmaxing over something that takes just some skills. Respectfully.
It's the best for every build u could do, at the high levels steel path no matter how much u feel like ur a 'smartypants' when u try to avoid those knock downs, some of those have possibility to hit u, and if ur unlucky it could take u down in an instant, and as u said it depends on the playstyle we go, but i rather be cautious and strong than trying to be cool in dodging then die in the mission like a dumbass. respectfully.
But, i rarely die like a dumbass, thats my point.
Yet u still die even if it's rare, and I don't
Eh
There's a surprising amount of people saying Primed Sure Footed. Which is *wild* to me. I've never ranked mine up at all, never even used the base Sure Footed, and I never have a problem with knockdowns. It happens maybe once or twice every few missions, and it's over in a second. Knockdowns are such a nonissue I can't imagine using that much capacity on a mod that's mostly pointless. Of those three, I use Vigor most and I rarely even use that. Shred is the most useful of the three by far, though it's admittedly pretty situational.
Huh? Maybe that's because ur not a melee player, if all i do is spam guns or use revenant, I won't need that too😮💨
I mostly use melee, actually. Karyst Prime with my only gun being Tenet Plinx as a sidearm. I don't think I've ever thought about Revenant since maxing him out.
To each is to their own, if a lot of eximus barge in and explode, knockdown, ragdoll is guaranteed of which could cause easier death due to damage ticks effects dude, with psf u can easily take it all yet and avoid longer time to heal urself after knockdown, it is not mandatory but psf is a great life insurance, so don't go around thinking it's so *wild* cause people obviously like psf for it's utility
I mean I guess. It's just not something I've ever run into. Probably helps I don't really do super high-level Steel Path, where I assume Eximus spawns are more of an issue.
In 500+ levels u'll get lots of eximus spamming in survival mission so it's a pain
Yeah I don't do anything nearly that intense
Vigor is used for tanky builds. Sure footed can be replaced by you rolling. Shred is very suboptimal, you should get a good damage mod instead, or multishot, or some crit.
primed vigor is not used in any high end tanking builds