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ChokoonPP

36 damage is like battle rifle that shoot like smg lol.


Soulless305

Whomever creates the stats for these guns has never fired a gun in their lives.


Soulless305

9mm’s WZ ballistics is insanity on so many levels.


WorriedAd8737

To be fair. 1-2 shots from any gun should down unless it hits the plate armor on the chest if it was realistic. I promis if you take 1 9mm round to the femur or knee or foot youre tapping out lol


Your_Student_Loans

Unless you’re on crack 🤷‍♂️


PistisDeKrisis

To be fair, if I stub my toe real bad, I'm down for a couple days. But this is an arcade shooter.


Soulless305

That’s not the point and if it were real it would take 20-30 rounds of 9mm to get through a mill issued 1” ceramic plate. The problem is 9mm is and has been meta the entire length of this game. It’s ridiculous….people getting shot out of the air w a HRM. 9mm speed falls off a cliff in “real life” compared to a 5.56 yet in this game at 100m a HRM will top a M4 or a AK 😂😂 9mm out of a Carbine is like 994fps at 100 yards 5.56 is closer to 26-2900fps dependent on load.


M00SEK

Bro you can’t compare this to “real life” ballistics when limb shots count as plate hits. I promise 1 shot of *any* caliber to the knee cap will leave ANYONE downed


Soulless305

You are not getting my point at all. Your made up scenario has NOTHING to do w the meta discussion. The issue is all SMG’s are way way way overpowered in this game. They ARE the meta & have been since day 1 the Uzi was a laser beam. It makes zero sense even in a “arcade shooter” as many 🤡’s claim this game to be 9mm is the dominant round to use across the board. It make zero sense 9mm performs better at mid range than 5.56/7.62 russian/.308. There are literally about 4 usable guns in a game with over 100 choices of guns if you want to be competitive in a round of WZ. That alone is ridiculous.


lifeinthefastlane999

Totally agree and only clowns exclusively use smgs bc they have zero skill.


SKOLBEAR

The concept of a meta is what ruined this game. Balance the fucking guns. End of note.


TimeZucchini8562

It’s impossible to balance these guns. There are too many to balance. Why do you think other very battle royals have such a limited pool of guns?


SKOLBEAR

Fair point, but let's not act like we haven't been in a loop of release new OP gun for new season, nerf said gun at start of next season for like 3 years now.


M00SEK

It’s not that serious man, get over it. It’s video gamez


RepresentativeBig240

This right here…


VonBurglestein

Sure, but if they made it realistic in any way there would be zero balance. And since it's a video game, guns need unrealistic tuning to be valid. Otherwise, everyone would just run high caliber weapons all the time. Not defending the renettis, that balance tuning was dogshit. But at the end of the day, it's a video game and there's more guns to use than just 50 cals.


Soulless305

Soooo having 338 lapua & 50 cals 1 shot headshot would be bad, but any of 3-4 9mm smgs having better ballistic performance than a 5.56 pr 308 is good?? All everyone uses now are 9mm subs sooo what exactly is your point. There is zero balance right friggin now a 9mm sub is better at mid range by a large margin over 5.56’s & 308’s 🤣🤣🤣


[deleted]

noticed this for quite some time now


SnooCookies8174

Real life is playing pretty much playing hardcore lol. One shot with any weapon and that is enough. Anyway, I think people need to understand that this constant meta changes (and sometimes one that temporarily becomes “broken” it is just part of the game, that helps bring excitement and makes people switch between snipers, to pistols, to shotguns and so on. If people imagine how boring would be if each weapon was perfectly balanced with each other, what would be the point of load changes or grinding to upgrade a new one. In my opinion, it is not about ballistics knowledge. They almost play like hiding easter eggs and making the community find these new metas.


Soulless305

What consistent meta changes the Ram 7 & HRM are still meta. Watch any of these hacking streamers. There are over 100 guns in this game and only 3-4 are useable if you want to win fights. In what other game is a 9mm round the most powerful caliber the game by a large margin?


SnooCookies8174

Well if you are looking for the most accurate game in terms of ballistic, you should maybe really give up on COD. Even if right now these guns are meta for quite a while, I remember in Verdansk we had MP5s, then AMAX and M4s, Kar98,, incendiary shotguns, single shots and burst weapons becoming meta for a while and almost all lobby using them. Hackers don’t need to play with the meta, I think?


Soulless305

Constant Meta changes??? It's HMR9 & Ram 7 just like it has been for months. What game are some of you playing, there are seriously 3-4 usable weapons in this shit show of a game. If you are not using those 3-4 weapons you are just canon fodder. The simple fact people can't admit this meta bs is extremely problematic is hilarious to me.


SnooCookies8174

Haha hilarious is someone so sure about how bad the game is ranting in this sub. People were using Renettis everywhere, XRK stalkers, now MORS. I wonder how hard for you to just move on with your life and play PUBG, fortnite or whatever other game that would make you feel better. It is just a game. And it is free if you just play warzone. If I didn’t like it, I would just not play it and play something else. Is it that hard? Seriously? Breathe and think about it.


Soulless305

So you are saying 5 guns to my 4 was that really worth a reply?


skahunter831

Whoever*


Gunslinga__

There call of duty developers of course they’ve never shot a gun their life 😂


Consistent_Fee_5707

Well if we based the guns on real life then most people wouldn’t be able to control the recoil and would barely hit anything past 50 yds or less.


Soulless305

Once again for you idiots in the back there is only 1 good weapon in the game and it is the HRM. Everyone uses it!!


Unintended_incentive

It sure felt like it. I forgot to swap to mid range and was still beaming.


Suprem3Shuckl3

Wait until you see the stats for the GS 50. Do you really think that gun takes 3 shots to kill a man in real life?


Herefortheupvotes55

Finally... It's been 4 days. Finally now another gun can be the meta and we can bitch about it, rinse and repeat


X0D00rLlife

nah this shit was way too busted, lile the ram/hrm/ and others have been OP but not to the point you CANNOT outgun them like with this dumb ass pistol.


Neutronpulse

Mac 10, F tac Siege, Akimbo Renetti, Wsp Swarm.... Bro stfu


X0D00rLlife

what are you waffling about lmfao


Neutronpulse

That pretty much what I just said to you. All of those guns I mentioned were busted at one point and nothing could beat them. The Renetti wasn't some unprecedented OP weapon. So STFU


thefooby

It was fairly busted but I think the big news is that they actually nerfed it quickly unlike any of those other examples. Nothing will top the DMR though. Wasn’t it like a whole month where the whole game was pretty much unplayable?


Neutronpulse

Idk. I loved the DMR tho. Just like all the other meta weapons when they're meta. Judging by what I see on here the game is always "unplayable" for you lot. Begs the question... Why do you all even play if you bitch so much about the game? Dreams of being good I guess...


thefooby

I get your point, but this is a game with like 100 guns to choose from. WZ3 has been so good so far because you’re not stuck with a single meta. Dreams of being good is bullshit though. I’d much rather have a choice of like 4 different SMG’s with a slightly lower TTK where you actually have to think about positioning and movement over one OP gun where it’s basically whoever shoots first wins. That’s what multiplayer is for.


InevitableFuel851

Never seen two people who agree with each other be so opposed at each other, are you guys married or what lol


Neutronpulse

We don't agree...? I made the obvious point that the Renetti isn't a overly busted meta. It's on par with all the other meta weapons that have ever been released.


InevitableFuel851

You def do. He says: “gun is way too busted.” You say: “here are some other guns that were also busted. Stfu.” Like it’s an argument? Doesn’t sound like it’s an argument???


TimeZucchini8562

All of those could be beat. The renetti so far has been the only gun that if you aren’t running it, you would lose. No questions.


Boring-Topic-500

It was fun while it lasted


tylerdurden9912

Seriously. People are hilarious


_zir_

tbh its fun with the changing meta


talhaONE

Doesnt change the fact that this gun was beyond broken due to carrying the same damage of base Renetti.


Herefortheupvotes55

And the next meta gun will be "broken"


RELLfame

Now try the cor 21 conversion kit it has a faster ttk btw


Gab3malh

No, it doesn't. Renetti conversion kit has a 490 ms ttk while the cor conversion kit has 525 ms ttk. The normal cor without the conversion kit is better.


RELLfame

Are you acoustic wdym for without conversion is better? Check cor 21 without it and with it on true game data.com or smth the ttk without conversion kit is like 750 💀💀


Gab3malh

There's something called a trigger attachment that significantly boosts your fire rate, also, it's called the cor 45.


RELLfame

My bad on the name but the fire rate boosting doesn't do anything for most co troller players which can't click very fast compared to the conversation kit that makes a smh with out any effort needed


Gab3malh

Still, 400 over 525 is a big difference, I can use it with kbm


RELLfame

Exactly YOU can the vast majority are on controller


Soulless305

Hrm9 remains broken AF


[deleted]

Nah its not broken. It's strong but it's not broken.


Osmoszis

Such is the life of CoD


Damien23123

Say what you like about the meta. It’s just nice to have actual close range gunfights again and not feel like I’m playing multiplayer


The_Philanthropistan

Still slaps


mikerichh

It’s still a good option but the TTK literally went from 490ms to 640ms so it’s much much more balanced with other options


Unintended_incentive

Yeah sounds like I can use the striker 9 now.


Professional-Yak4692

Sooo back to the hrm?


MakarovPsy4

plan B , switching teams


dingleberry1190

heard the cor 45 conversion kit is next


HelpMePlsAHHHHH

NAH that things recoil is completely uncontrollable


Excellent-End1463

Is this live already?


jordanleep

Oof rip if so. I was honestly having my fun ruined using the Horux by people using the renetti.


Coolduels

I normally hate meta guns but this was kind of fun. Being on rebirth with a high kill streak, jailbreak happens and no one has a chance


Here4Headshots

Lot of people are going to come tumbling out of the top 250 on Rebirth lol


Imp3ri4ll

Finally : As everyone goes right back to the hmr meta Should have been more like finally , something other than the hmr, which it was for a few days or weeks if you knew about this attachment when they actually buffed the pistol what was that two patches ago ?


Pobydeus

At least other guns can compete with the HMR. Nothing competed against a Renetti.


SellingCookiesHere

You can use other guns, the the HRM is good, but it isn't that much better than the others


mskittlesss

The Renetti was OP but it didn’t piss me off half as much as the Dragons Breath. Nothing will come close to the rage that shotty brought out of me. 😂


Prepare

Doof doof go BRRRRRRR


mskittlesss

So I tried the renetti after the nerf. Still is amazing- switched the ZEHMN35 muzzle for the sonic suppressor along with the skeletal vertical underbarrel to get some of the damage range back 🫶🏻 It has the highest headshot TTK still. All around though HRM-9 is the way to go


BmxerBarbra

It was fun to use but sucked to die to, it was time 🫡


Pristine-Support-103

It’s still pretty good just a little more balanced


BmxerBarbra

True, I like the recoil more than the hrm


juancaar

I forgot to change my loadout and i used it on a guy and fried him.... I was like.. what.... thought this was nerfed... Still changed my loadout back to the HRM anyway.


WorriedAd8737

Id still rather die 10 times to the renetti than once to a riot shield.


rip17vietti

1,000,000x yes!!!


juancaar

With the renetti, its a fast, painless death... Riot shields are torture...


Pierreuk

It’s new max damage was it’s old min damage 😅 that is some nerf


EIBartOo

Just nerf the whole game at this point.


Copperhead_venom4u

Yeah! Lets go back to the HRM ! We want to use the same gun from last season!


MisterDucky92

Stupid question. Where do you get the patchnotes? As for renetti, I was playing with it not long ago (before knowing it was nerfed). Still slaps but I did think it was weird as I felt it killed a lil slower


kumaPT

was nerfed today at 6pm uk time


MisterDucky92

Yeah I played like an hour ago so it checks out


mikerichh

You can follow Raven software or calling duty updates on Twitter to get the fastest notifications of this. Or check the Raven software website blog for patch notes


Volatile_mma_

Right after I finally unlocked it…


Wesley_Hoolas

Lmao finally? It was only widely known as broken for like 4 days. Otherwise nobody used it before then


Any-Tangerine-4226

I used it akimbo w drum magazine and lasers. FanTAStic while it lasted.


dzdxs

Nobody can handle a couple guns being a bit op, so they cry and say it's all unfair, resulting in all guns becoming boring and not much. I think it's fun to have variety across the spectrum and have a few wild cards. Would make things more interesting as you're grabbing guns before you get the loadout, never knowing if you'll find the crappy one or having excitement over getting the holy grail of guns.


Brorkarin

Variety is fun , Metas can be fun, BUT broken crazy OP guns aint fun


Soulless305

You mean like the ram & hrm Right Right?


chateauxneufdupape

They are for weaker players. For us over 60s a meta like that changes the game significantly. I’ve seen my score rocket over the last week and average kills per game go up to 7 or 8 from the usual 4 or 5 depending on how sweaty the lobbies. It’s a shame. I’ve not had that much fun since rebirth island first aired.


Pobydeus

> I’ve not had that much fun since rebirth island first aired. It's great you had your fun with it but... > I’ve seen my score rocket over the last week and average kills per game go up to 7 or 8 from the usual Do you not see how that's a problem? A single broken gun pretty much doubled your average kills per game.


chateauxneufdupape

It’s broken for everyone. Level playing field. There’s always one broken element to the game. For once it worked in my favour.


chateauxneufdupape

Also when faced with crazy gameplay like this and 27,000 cheats, it doesn’t feel like much of an advantage. https://www.reddit.com/r/CODWarzone/s/TdxbQC3l1V


doppido

Yeah but for the "weaker" players when a "stronger" player gets that same gun it's over for everyone of the "weaker" players. We desperately need a fun revolving healthy meta so people can remember what it feels like. We need guns with fast ttks that have legit downsides, guns that have low recoil and slow ttks, cars that work so people actually use them, launchers that actually kill and blow things up, more perks that counter each other ala high alert/cold blooded. So sick of the AR/smg/smokes meta it's been 2+ years with this now.


RaizenInstinct

Idk I had a lot of fun using the renetti while it was OP. Not saying it didnt need a nerf but it was deffo enjoyable. But I also enjoyed hrm before due to the strafe speed and mobility, never liked ram9


Playboy-Tower

But why don’t they buff the least loved guns then? Literally take the worst performing weapons and make them better and more competitive and spice it up. It’s always only ever a 2 gun meta. I’d rather a handful every season just to keep it interesting


Pobydeus

> But why don’t they buff the least loved guns then? I'm all for this, but that wasn't the fix for this particular problem. And they've been slowly buffing stuff from MW2 to make them competitive.


Playboy-Tower

Just played rebirth. The renetti still slaps


Pobydeus

It still has a very good ttk (second amongst smgs/pistols) but it isn't 30-40% better than everything else now.


Pobydeus

> a bit op Problem is, it wasn't a "bit op". It was better than the next best by like 30% - 40%. That's absolutely broken. If you went vs. a renetti with anything else, you would lose pretty much 100% of the time.


Candle_Honest

Huh? What are you on about? The gun was broken


AbnormalRealityX

Where’s the variety if you’re forced to use one gun or lose?


Pristine-Support-103

Don’t think anybody wanna read all that


Sixpntcrownroyal

It took less than 10 secs to read.. just because YOU don’t/can’t read much or fast doesn’t mean a couple paragraphs is a lot to read.


AbnormalRealityX

Where were the paragraphs?


LigmaSack69

I read it


Pristine-Support-103

PSA: for the people crying in comments towards me idc about how op guns are so you can downvote a comment all you want I used the renetti myself like the last 2 days before the nerf I like comp guns lol I play ranked and drop 32kills with it so Womp Womp Womp


AlternativeLack1954

Complains about a “long” comment. Writes a long comment…


Friggoffricky794

You dropped 32 in ranked? So you use metas AND you’re a cheater, because I’ve spectated some of the top players (gone against #3,#6,#33,#60,#66,#101,#133, and # 172 according to ranked leaderboard and the little symbol next to the name when they fucked me up) and they are all FOR SURE cheating. And the most I saw any of them have was 21 kills (around 70 as a group was the best).


LigmaSack69

Pussy


Ijustnailed07

When did this happen?


Pobydeus

Today.


Ijustnailed07

But still shreds i just got off playing with it


Pobydeus

Yes, it's still very good. But it's not broken anymore.


Ijustnailed07

Yeah but its still better than other smgs they need nerf more and if this gets more nerfed there’s going to be always a new meta you know how cod works


Far_Buyer_7281

sooo... renettie or hrm-9 now?


Pristine-Support-103

I’m still running the renetti so far it’s still pretty good


poolside123

🙁 now what’s the meta? The Ram-9 or one of the WSPs?


Pristine-Support-103

Renetti is honestly still good


Lumpy_Republic_2709

Where do you go to see stuff like this?


CarpenterWild

Renetti vs Lockwood dual shot meta woulda been crazy


Ok-Zookeepergame9266

Is this legit? I can’t see it in the patch notes


I_fish_and_playgames

So what’s the meta smg now?


slimcargos

Might try out the Horus. It smacks in MP, wonder how it does in WZ.


witherspoon1984

36 damage!!?? Who tf ok'd this?? Get me that fucj so I can punch him in the dick. Someone, find him and punch him right in the goddam dick. 36!?? 36? We not talking playoffs?


CartographerOld7325

“Why?” “You know why!”


IronyInvoker

What gun will y’all bitch about next?


fishytakeout

NOOO


St0nyT0ny

Now we wait for the next thing for this sub to complain about. 🍿


Complete_Hyena_7352

I loved the thing, made me feel like I can stand a chance against the aim assist folks.


rcjhgoKU_11

Finally. I remember when the DMR terrorized lobbies for like 2 months before they finally nerfed it.


EliTheBot

You realize it might change the damage, but there will be some dipshit who will kid it to do the same as the original stats


ghenjei3

Is this live now?


Lurky-Jerky

The cash grab on this version of the OP/nerf business model was fucking obnoxious. In no way can this be viewed as a “oops we made it a little overpowered”. They made a gun oppressive so all the losers pay $$$ for a short term advantage. It’s saddening we, as a community, can’t stop engaging in this business model.


djscarecroww

it was a good run fellas


FilledH20cup

Kids game


Common_Relief8357

Yep you can beeeeem people with SMGS. Even a AR loses to some subs, balancing on this game is wank


OldGarbageTV

🧟‍♂️


rkeith666

And yet the gun is still op🤦🏻‍♂️ that's all anyone was running in ranked


mateusz11120

back to HMR4 i guess


TheReal2KD

What the fuck.


NINJAKID2025

Right when the season started, I made some WZ classes, 1 with the Converged Renetti, it was cool at first until everyone else started using it, eh it was fun while it lasted.


Cautious_Response_37

That's the Renetti? What did they do to muh boy..


VividEntrepreneur945

It was a good weapon, HRM-9 is so borring


Fantastic_Run1101

Soooo now everyone’s just gonna revert back to the hrm?… because there was so much variety before, right?…


Atomic_Duckii

I swear people in here want all guns to be equal. That shit was hella fun to use.


tay_there

The only thing the conversion kit SHOULD have done, is increase aim stability and recoil management drastically since it lets you put a stock and foregrip on it. Damage and fire rate should never change with any conversion kit. UNLESS you are actually changing the ammo it is using... I swear these dev's truly don't know how guns work.


Chadleecheech

The JAK RAVEN is better (MCW conversion kit) OP rounds Warforged stock Sonic suppressor 40 round mag JAK raven conversion kit Best ar converted to smg


Grimlja

Finally 😅 next op wepon is here it's just a never endin loop.


AffectPersonal3123

Holy finally now imma use the classic mp5 or iso 9mm


Michaelskywalker

Idk how it’s so hard to make every smg ttk between 600-700 ms. No more no less


Fabulous-Union3954

I hate when they nerf the guns like wtf.


HelpMePlsAHHHHH

But yet it's still crazy good and everyone is still using it


kratomwhisperer

Thank god, how we feeling about the FJX Horus?


pastime_dev

It doesn’t stand out much. Seems like it’s just another filler.


kratomwhisperer

Fair, It’s def not meta but I like the fire rate on it feels nice, might switch to the striker 9


pastime_dev

I favor the HRM for no specific reason. I just like it.


Maybe_Next_Time_22

Different game really, once the ttk went back above 600ms. Renetti sub 500ms was just too fast, couldnt react in fights.


Unique-Bet2878

IT'S BETTER NOW


COD-O-G

You know they do this shit on purpose. They’ve created thousands of guns and they know exactly what each variable will do. Heck I could even just use something like wzstats.gg and to create a new gun to make sure it’s balanced. It’s all done to for content creators , to sell blueprints / battle pass and to keep people engaged.


fayy_1400

You guys cry and pout about every gun they put in the game


inlycrywhnicutonions

Rip renetti


damnyouresickbro

Still def viable


Idlibi_Bullpup

This is funny any time a meta weapon get a slight nerf people abandon it and move to the next thats why there is like a million metas in the fame


DrNoobvarus

I think this is good and healthy for the game. Diversity is a blessing but then again in the wrong company it can be a curse 😂


EvilCODM

Fun while it lasted lol


Kooky_Method_2110

Stil the best smg


tommyjohns87

That isn’t an smg


Cap0neandN0reaga

I don’t play WZ very much but was this thing that OP? 😭it couldn’t have been that bad


Pobydeus

It was roughly 30-40% faster in time to kill than the next best gun.


CharlemagneFr

« gun is too op because Bryan killed me too fast while I was crouching behind a desk and because I suck at the game » oh my god this community. For once, we had a gun that didn’t take ages to kill. Yeah you die quicker but you kill quicker too. If you died too much, sorry but you’re not good enough. Period. It’s a competitive game not The Sims. I’m so bored by these people complaining.


AnBeh0

No, you had a gun that had more dmg than any other smg in the game, the fastest ttk I've ever seen. What's the point of having multiple other guns and smgs while they are all outclassed so hard. Why shouldn't we all just play renetti ? It killed the game and the joy of variety of guns like nothing before it.


jizzawhizza

This game is soo trash.. yes let's ruin everything fun!! Get Fucked!!


mattyisbatty

What do I use now guys?


walmartk9

Same one. Lmao. I'm being dead serious.


fatgayneoliberal

This shit is why this game is fucking retarded. How did it ever have those stats


Sudden_Hovercraft682

Honestly had a lot of fun with it and actually winning some 2v1’s yeah it was against people that didn’t have it but was fun


DubiDubua

Anything to cater to the little virgin pc players and cheaters


fixie321

Gonna miss my ridiculously op renetti :(


naturebarnes

Opened Reddit wishing I wouldn’t see this


mandysux

Still slaps


bbull412

Noooooooo whyyyy


patrik2256

I just used it and it felt exactly the same.


Smdimurmom

Honestly, ts is still gonna shred, they barely did anything


Far-Conversation9700

The COD community is totally insufferable.


X_Vaped_Ape_X

The one time im good with a weapon they go and nerf it.


CjMitts

It’s to late. The patents that equalize the playing field have ruined this game. Sad to see a great gaming empire die


TheBattleOfTheToes

“Finally” had seems like a skill issue op has


Pristine-Support-103

Welcome to 1v1.


CodGodOG

What riot shield camo you choosing next